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What is happening on “Izhmash.” On the appeal of Mikhail Kalashnikov to Vladimir Putin

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What is happening on “Izhmash.” On the appeal of Mikhail Kalashnikov to Vladimir PutinThe legendary creator of the AK-47, Mikhail Kalashnikov, and other veterans of the Izhmash plant turned to Vladimir Putin with a request to save the enterprise from inept management actions. Earlier, the media reported about the rally, which was attended by the employees of the plant, dissatisfied with the reduction in wages. How is it that with a colossal increase in defense spending, one of the most important armory production of the country is left overboard? Let's figure it out.


Letter to the president

“At the moment, the production of sports hunting weapons has been completely stopped, and a number of export contracts have been disrupted. A contract for organizing the production of AK automatic machines in one of the countries is close to failure. It is already clear that the not so great state defense order on small arms and aircraft-gun weapons will be failed.

To the limit, the basis of production has been exhausted - the workshop staff The salary of the main workers does not exceed 10 thousand rubles. Many earn even less.

The level of production and volume fell below nowhere. The actions of the administration (interim governor AA Kosov) are often ill-considered and unprofessional in nature and do not take into account the specifics of production.

It is bitter and insulting to see how the Case collapses, which has put and developed more than one generation of engineers and workers. And which was determined primarily by state interests and was accompanied by state support.

On behalf of the veterans who have devoted most of their lives to working at Izhmash, we appeal to you, Vladimir Vladimirovich, to save our factory. Currently, there is still a minimum human potential that has the strength and experience to overcome the crisis. And we, veterans, are able to provide help both in word and deed to the native plant. But in case of failure to take emergency measures, irreversible changes may occur at the enterprise in the near future, leading to its disappearance, as well as the disappearance of such brands as Kalashnikov, Dragunov and Nikonov. Our descendants and true patriots of Russia will not forgive us for this. ”

Probably, everyone who read this message had a wave of indignation in their hearts. It is known that “Izhmash” belongs to the state corporation “Russian Technologies”, and Dmitry Rogozin, Anatoly Serdyukov and Sergey Chemezov personally monitor the implementation of the state defense order. It is also known that the defense expenditures in the country are significantly increased and a natural question arises - is it really impossible to ensure the normal level of earnings of workers at least at key defense enterprises (or better at all)?

Statistics "Izhmash"

So far, the leaders of Izhmash have not commented on the appeal of the veterans to the president. However, the data of the press service of the enterprise indicate a slightly different picture than that described in the complaint to the president. So, since the establishment of NPO Izhmash (beginning of 2011), it was possible not only to pay off debts to employees, but also to raise salaries by 21% (to 14,6 thousand rubles). In 2011, the revenue of Izhmash grew by 40% by expanding markets. The supply to the US market has been increased by 50%. Income from this direction alone was a record for the company 444,2 million rubles. New contracts allowed to increase the load of modern equipment to 70% (at the end of 2010, it was less than 20%). At the end of this year, NPO Izhmash planned to increase revenues 5,5 a thousand times and get 32,3 million rubles of net profit against 6,4 million rubles a loss by the end of last year.

Agree, the data contradict the one described by the veterans. Although the salary in 14 thousand rubles does not inspire us or the employees of Izhmash, but the trends in the Kalashnikov letter do not confirm the statistics of the company.

Rally or meeting?

Problems at Izhmash did not appear today. The arrival of the new team in 2011 was not to the liking of either the employees of the company or the leadership of the republic of Udmurtia. In general, the practice of throwing at defense enterprises of Moscow teams is not new and such a wave has swept, it seems, across all the strategic objects of the industry. The new broom, as we know, sweeps in a new way and, as a rule, no one likes it.

"Why should the Varyag be on Izhmash?" Didn't "Izhmash" for so many years raise its own? Raised. This is an incomprehensible fashion for young people who are able to go to any factory tomorrow, and before that not a single day working in industry to pretend to be a director. How much harm from them, - said the president of Udmurtia. - They sent a new man, he brought with him two dozen, if not more, new people. The salaries were paid for themselves, and people take to the streets with 5-7 thousands. Who won - the plant, the state? Only a handful of people won for whom this is another project, ”said the head of the republic Alexander Volkov a few days ago.

Recall that in October, according to a number of media reports, a spontaneous rally was held at the enterprise. 200 employees of the 103-th workshop, dissatisfied with the received payroll, came to him. At the end of the month, many of them received 5 thousand rubles. History found great resonance in the media and Izhmash was subjected to verification by the State Labor Inspectorate and the prosecutor's office. Violations were identified, but they turned out to be rather insignificant (the labor regulations did not indicate the days of salary issuance, violations in the conduct of record cards for personal protective equipment and personal record cards for washing away and neutralizing means, etc.)

In turn, the leadership of "Izhmash" refuted the fact of the allegedly rally.

“I learned about the rally the day after it allegedly took place,” says Vladimir Labadin, director of the weapons industry of Izhmash. - I had a normal working day, which began with a meeting of leaders. One of the chiefs warned that the staff have questions and need to answer them. After that, we met with representatives of the workshop, all settled and continued to work. Where did the information about the rally come from? No one can understand.

Even the number of participants was not correct. Initially it was reported that rally 200 people. In fact, questions arose from the brigade in 28 people. And this is one production site of their countless. Employees had questions on salary, on organizational issues, production environment. This is a normal daily practice. All discussed, all settled.

From our side, we add that we could not find in the network any documentary evidence of the rally.
The situation with the salary of the staff clarified in the press service of "Izhmash":

“In September, 2012, the workers of one of the sections of the 103 workshop, where problems with product quality and labor productivity were identified, fulfilled the planned task only at 40% and received wages less than usual. To date, there has been a positive trend in the implementation of production tasks in this area. The unit is provided with materials and components for the implementation of planned targets in full.

Now the average salary in the 103 workshop in September 2012 amounted to 11 515 rubles, in other weapons production shops - from 12 034 rubles to 17 018 rubles. Individual skilled workers received over 27 000 rubles. ”

It turns out that someone is lying - either the leadership of "Izhmash" or Udmurtia.

Fighting region and center

In the entire history of “Izhmash”, the dissatisfaction of the leadership of the republic with the new managers of the enterprise is clearly traced.

“The steps that the Izhmash management has taken led to such things when people began to receive five to six thousand instead of 15. And, of course, it is very disturbing that what will happen next and with the new enterprise NPO "Izhmash", because the inventory that the plant has accumulated over the past periods of time, successfully sold, according to the state defense order - today we see that all the state defense orders practically disrupted, ”- said in a recent report by the Deputy Chairman of the Government of Udmurtia Ildar Bikbulatov.

It should be noted that there is a widespread opinion among residents of Izhevsk that the head of Udmurtia, A. Volkov, speaking out against the “Varangians” has his own selfish interest in the development of an information attack on Izhmash. According to this popular version, he is trying to “push through” his people, including his son, now occupying the position of the General Director of Udmurttorf OJSC, Andrey Volkov, to the leadership of the growing enterprise.

In this case, the veterans, most likely, used “blindly,” playing on their feelings for their native enterprise, to which they gave their best years of life. It sounds ugly, but the technique is very common in the political struggle.

On the other hand, the “Varangians” themselves could have run into such a reaction from employees and management, playing with economic indicators and forgetting about ordinary people. This situation is also not something new for our defense industry. Particularly hurt the people of the old school that the newly minted managers get significantly higher experienced workers.

Summing up, let's say that so far there is no absolute confidence in the correctness of any of the parties, even despite the unconditional authority of the veterans who signed the letter. In any case, perhaps it was not written in vain.

The attention of the Kremlin to the conflict, we hope, will put an end to it. The conflict clearly does not benefit either the country or the factory workers.
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  1. YARY
    YARY 1 November 2012 10: 28 New
    17
    Shooting to such "leaders and CHSVN" I consider a necessary measure!
    1. Vadivak
      Vadivak 1 November 2012 10: 40 New
      +5
      When Izhmash was privatized, there were many individual blocks of shares owned by the employees of the enterprise. Here they are (Russian Technologies took and bankrupted the company for 800 thousand rubles in order to lower the price of securities below the baseboard - now they will sell it themselves.

      http://kwas-1972.livejournal.com/246002.html
      1. alexng
        alexng 1 November 2012 12: 59 New
        0
        The material in this article is compiled from dubious resources. Here is one of them
        http://shturmnovosti.com/view.php?id=46496
        And so the usual slicing from the Internet, but for what purpose?
        1. Melchakov
          Melchakov 1 November 2012 13: 58 New
          +1
          Quote: alexneg
          but for what purpose?

          Do you have any idea?
        2. starshina78
          starshina78 1 November 2012 20: 14 New
          +1
          The goal is clear as a white sheet of paper. to shield the new management of Izhmash. In fact, there is a kick-ass! "Watchmen" came to our plant, as their names are, but in fact shift workers, work as machine operators. All from Izhmash. They told how much and how they were paid, and what they were doing with the plant. They blame both Moscow and Volkov. but more "e ......... capital".
    2. alexng
      alexng 1 November 2012 11: 55 New
      +7
      But interestingly, is there anyone on the forum who works on Izhmash? AU, there are those! I would like to hear their opinion. I do not trust the media and it is not yet known what is really there.
      1. Vadivak
        Vadivak 1 November 2012 12: 05 New
        +5
        Quote: alexneg
        But interestingly, is there anyone on the forum who works on Izhmash?

        Did you open the link?
      2. stas52
        stas52 1 November 2012 12: 10 New
        +9
        Note that those who criticize IZhMash’s leadership talk about specific salaries, and the leadership itself speaks of the average salary in the workplace.
        The average temperature of patients is normal.
        1. S_mirnov
          S_mirnov 1 November 2012 12: 59 New
          +9
          It is hard to believe that turning to GDP will have real consequences; history knows examples:
          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WmVy6wfkw5Q&feature=related
          I think an open letter for example to Chuck Noris, it would be more useful :)
          http://demotivation.me/11i6ch9vbrjrpic.html
          But seriously, I think - until the factory workers strike, nothing will change. It is time to learn to defend our interests ourselves, the times when the state defended the interests of citizens, unfortunately, left with the USSR. :(
        2. alexng
          alexng 1 November 2012 13: 07 New
          +1
          I analyzed the article, that is, decomposed it into its components, and this picture was drawn. An article from the Internet from dubious resources, blogs and just comments from Internet users, over the past 2 years. No matter how the author of the article hides, "donkey's" ears (a symbol of the US Democratic Party) are visible behind it.
    3. Kaa
      Kaa 1 November 2012 12: 00 New
      +2
      Quote: Ardent
      I consider execution to such "leaders and CSVN" as a necessary measure

      I propose to introduce a new measure of punishment ... 5 years of execution with confiscation ...
      1. bask
        bask 1 November 2012 12: 47 New
        +1
        Kaa agree on 5t bullets, just right !!! And so everything is disgusting and disgusting, from what is going on in our country in 2012 !!!!! And not after the war or the worldwide patop .... Full b .... Iayayayaya collapse and corruption. To GDP is already worldwide the famous Kalashnikov writes ... pooooooomit !!!!! And silence as always ...... and inarticulate muttering about ,, democratic values ​​,, and ,, freedom ,, of business. WHEN THE ELEMENTARY ORDER IN THE COUNTRY WILL BE IMPOSED ??????? STALIN IS NOT ON THEM ..........
        1. Mishael
          Mishael 1 November 2012 18: 08 New
          +3
          5 years of shooting from an injury sustained on IZHMASH ...
    4. Andrey64
      Andrey64 1 November 2012 12: 19 New
      -4
      Who are going to be interesting to shoot ??? If you, as a provocateur, I am FOR !!! Sometimes you didn't try to turn on your head ?! At least in order to go to the official website of IZHMASH and read how things really are and why people received a small salary. It will also be useful to read who is A.A. Kosov. and where he worked (managed the largest enterprises such as Kamsky cable, Rostselmash, etc.) And the fact that the local "kings" in every possible way will put a spoke in the wheel, so it's a no brainer. No one will voluntarily give up such a tidbit.
      1. Begemot
        Begemot 1 November 2012 13: 23 New
        +1
        The "local kings" are constantly poked in the nose that Izhmash does not pay taxes, drives people out into the street, so they fuss. And read about Kosovo more carefully, the main thing is to see how long he worked there and what happened to those enterprises that he made happy with his stay.
        1. Andrey64
          Andrey64 1 November 2012 15: 31 New
          -1
          all enterprises live and prosper, as far as possible in the current economic environment ..))) And would you like the other way around?
          1. Karish
            Karish 1 November 2012 15: 37 New
            0
            Quote: Andrey64
            all enterprises live and prosper as far as possible in a given economic environment ..

            All can not prosper and live .Tk. people are initially different and the percentage of morons and parasites has not yet been canceled. Likewise, enterprises run by people are different. All equally prosperous - fairy tales
      2. Vadivak
        Vadivak 1 November 2012 14: 16 New
        +4
        Quote: Andrey64
        Izhmash official website and read how things really are


        It seems to me that the official site is still the mouthpiece of Izhmash’s leadership, the employees write about it
    5. Sasha 19871987
      Sasha 19871987 1 November 2012 12: 20 New
      +2
      but the shit-eaters are top managers and directors who receive salaries and kickbacks ... ...
    6. AIvanA
      AIvanA 1 November 2012 16: 08 New
      -2
      What a shot, after all, the same alignment at almost all promising defense enterprises is state policy, something else simply doesn’t come to mind, at best, the sentence is conditional and then not the main culprits.
    7. Was mammoth
      Was mammoth 1 November 2012 19: 50 New
      0
      Quote: Ardent
      Shooting to such "leaders and CHSVN" I consider a necessary measure!


      Who among the "liberals" spoke about the "bloody" Stalin? Those who ruin everything and everyone? Under Stalin, they probably called it in their own words, sabotage with all the ensuing consequences.
    8. psv_company
      psv_company 1 November 2012 20: 14 New
      0
      That's not the point (for the most part). In the country, there are at least heaps of these machines in warehouses. It seems like there is no way to sell them and it is a pity to throw them away, they are expensive to remelt. My Dad told me when he was serving that their company was sent to the warehouse for machine guns and supplies. He saw a bunch of warehouses filled to the brim with equipment, there were AK-47 and AK74 and AKM-74 and RPG from the very first to the last model at that time. We still have it and we want to do and do new things. We need something to do at the plant to "process weapons", and it is cheaper for our government to stuff everything into warehouses than to build a plant !!!!
    9. Bad_gr
      Bad_gr 4 November 2012 11: 37 New
      0
      I am of the opinion that strategic enterprises should belong to the state.
      Then there’s no need to bankrupt him, because you still can’t buy it, and there will be no battles between money bags because of which production is so feverish, and you can exclude the option that a private entrepreneur having bought an enterprise will not sell it in pieces, getting quick money.

      Incidentally, I do not believe in managers who came from Moscow and immediately raised production. Fairy tales. People with specialized education, who have worked in the industry according to their profile, can raise production, but not the people who were taught sales.
      The Orsys rifle example is indicative. Who is the founder of this company? Shooter, pros in arms.
      You can also recall the Lobaev rifle. (True, they survived him from the country: now, somewhere in the Emirates, he makes his rifles).
  2. vosovec
    vosovec 1 November 2012 10: 35 New
    0
    The conflict clearly does not benefit either the country or the plant workers.

    That's for sure.
    Only such conflicts would be covered in the media louder, then the authorities would have more desire to understand them
  3. karimbaev
    karimbaev 1 November 2012 10: 35 New
    +5
    surrender of the country without a fight
    1. roninas
      roninas 1 November 2012 13: 43 New
      +1
      That's for sure ... You don’t have to conquer when you can buy everything. Highways, Renault, Felin instead of the Warrior .. What is it all ???? We wake up when the Russian army will be part of the occupation forces, which will not even be deployed, but will be organized place
  4. TUNISIA
    TUNISIA 1 November 2012 10: 36 New
    15
    There will never be a normal life in our country, as long as the thought of “how to steal” appears first before the thought of “how to improve” in most leaders.
  5. djsa1
    djsa1 1 November 2012 10: 39 New
    +2
    +1 and so everywhere, until the actual deadlines are received, they will.
  6. Vanek
    Vanek 1 November 2012 10: 41 New
    +4
    They didn’t give money - not hunting. They gave money - it makes no sense to work.

    I’m not for Izhmash, it’s I, in principle.
  7. Alexander Romanov
    Alexander Romanov 1 November 2012 10: 42 New
    12
    Even under the yelts of Yeltsin, the plant survived, and now it would be a goat when trillions are swelled into the defense, the plant should bloom. Yes, Yary is right, only shooting here, another will not help.
  8. Sergh
    Sergh 1 November 2012 10: 46 New
    +4
    And I’d better wait for the dismantling to end, now everyone is tearing the blanket over themselves. In this case, it is dangerous to take someone's side without entering the situation.
  9. strannik595
    strannik595 1 November 2012 10: 50 New
    0
    somewhere the 90s did not end .......
  10. s1н7т
    s1н7т 1 November 2012 10: 52 New
    +2
    Indeed, an incomprehensible situation. But for some reason I don't really believe in the Moscow "menager" - temporary managers (some kind of position - a temporary manager!))).
  11. strannik595
    strannik595 1 November 2012 10: 55 New
    +9
    somewhere the 90s did not end .......
  12. Gorchakov
    Gorchakov 1 November 2012 11: 06 New
    +6
    Those responsible for domestic economic policy need to be checked for actions contrary to the national security of Russia ... Actually, I think that the prime minister has long been ripe for a separate camera without access to a computer .... Maybe he will grow wiser and learn to smoke ....
    1. Karabin
      Karabin 1 November 2012 19: 11 New
      +4
      Quote: Gorchakov
      I think the prime minister has long been ripe for a separate camera

      And who put forward the current prime minister for approval in the Duma? By chance, not the Tsar? Oh yeah, again, someone sneaky cheated on the Wise King.
  13. Strashila
    Strashila 1 November 2012 11: 08 New
    +4
    The question is multidisciplinary. The plant has been moving forward from the side and for a long time ... only the utterances of the bureaucrats of the Ministry of Defense about the AK assault rifle were worth nothing.
  14. anchonsha
    anchonsha 1 November 2012 11: 09 New
    +3
    These are disgusting politicians ... I do not think that the culprits of the mess at Izhmash are only in the leadership of Udmurtia and at Izhmash. Someone higher plays at a large and not local level. Hands should be chopped up to the elbow. The execution is now impossible, since a moratorium on the death penalty has been declared.
  15. understudy
    understudy 1 November 2012 11: 17 New
    +6
    Quote: Sergh
    now everyone is tearing the blanket over themselves

    With a salary of 10-14 thousand, it is no longer necessary to pull the blanket over yourself, but to "look" into the teeth of those who have hundreds of thousands of accounts. Who could have imagined that the famous defense state enterprise, as a result of "wise leadership", would suddenly appear on the panel with an outstretched hand?
    It was already mentioned on the website that all the negative in the defense industry and defense should be assessed only from the position - this is a direct "betrayal of the Motherland."
  16. FREGATENKAPITAN
    FREGATENKAPITAN 1 November 2012 11: 19 New
    +6
    Sorry for the harshness ... they don’t really care at all ..... not all superyachts and islands have been bought up yet (they are them) ................... One half of the oligarchic ruling class just does not know that the country (majority) lives in poverty, and the other turns a blind eye to everything ..........
    The French monarch said _ "after us at least later"
    Ours sounds like this - "There are no people outside the Moscow Ring Road, there are slaves"
    ..... How much can you test the patience of a Russian peasant ............. they have a short memory!

    .
  17. Brother Sarych
    Brother Sarych 1 November 2012 11: 20 New
    +5
    I think that the situation in real life is different from that described in the letter, and from the unsubscribing of "effective managers" ...
    That the old man is used as a battering ram is understandable, only those who decided to play in the name of a veteran of the arms industry of Russia are terribly far from questions of ensuring the country's defense capability and the well-being of workers!
    They scoffed at the enterprise as best they could, in theory they ruined everything, but suddenly it turned out that it turns out. "got excited", now at this plant it is really possible to earn a lot of dough, orders are flooded, but there is no one to fulfill it and there is nothing to do, so the dismantling of who is more to blame ...
  18. Manager
    Manager 1 November 2012 11: 31 New
    +9
    For comparison,
    ZP at such US plants as:
    Arcadia machine and tool
    Colt
    Smith & Wesson

    an average of $ 1800 per month.

    And we have at IZHMASH 300 $ per month.

    Question - What ZUYA? !!!!!
    1. Joker
      Joker 1 November 2012 12: 24 New
      +2
      I will explain to you which hi at the above-mentioned enterprises, all the equipment is up-to-date, which is updated almost every year, in the process of creating an automatic machine or other products in the USA, there are fewer people participating in 4, since everything is automated there, hence the build quality, which is in foreign samples times in 2-3 is better, prehistoric machines still stand on Izhmash, almost the entire assembly is screwdriver, a huge number of people work, if everything is converted in the USA, then 30-40% of employees can be dismissed as unnecessary, and due to their dismissal, almost 2 times to raise the rest of the salaries. But as you see, nobody does it, Izhmash does not have many orders, nobody buys anything in the army, they live off the sale of hunting products and foreign markets, salaries can be raised but not more than percent on 30-40. The trouble is that nobody wants to use new machines here, because their use will pay off in years through 5, and you can earn profits by slave labor even now. Interpolitech in all its glory Izhmash showed nothing new was presented, but what is presented of terrible quality. In general, it is necessary to automate the production using the latest machines and then there will be both salaries and quality, although it will be necessary to sacrifice a certain number of workers.
      1. Manager
        Manager 1 November 2012 13: 10 New
        +2
        But what about AK12? Or are they going to collect it in Nigeria? Isn’t that an order? Weren't you going to rearm the whole army before 2013? Or again a newspaper chatter?
        1. Joker
          Joker 1 November 2012 13: 27 New
          +3
          But what about the AK12? Isn't that an order? Wasn't they planning to rearm the whole army before the year 2013? Or again a newspaper chatter?

          AK-12 was created primarily as an export model, it was primarily aimed at foreign markets, and not ours. Nobody is going to re-equip the army with them, the maximum will be delivered to the special services, nothing more, Izhmash has already said that the government will buy a small batch and that’s it.
          The main work of Izhmash will be in the modernization of the AK available in the army, i.e. the picatini slats will be installed, the butt, the handle will be replaced and everything is still unknown whose production these slats will be, Rogozin brought AK upgraded already to the program, everything that was stuck on it, all Israeli-made, i.e. it is quite possible that even our component parts will not be and that not all modernizations will take place on Izhmash, they will give out some elements to the soldiers, they themselves will install them. Orsis -T500 will not enter the army until 2015, there are no orders, these are the words of Orsis employees, Izhmash will not produce pistols, it seems that they are doing something on the basis of AK-12 for the army, but it is not known whether it will be unknown to enter the army , so that with regard to the armament of the infantryman and his equipment, we will definitely not have any movements until 2015, well, except that the news seemed to slip that Felin would buy the party, there was still a rumor that the Kovrovtsy machine guns were doing nothing more.
          Or are they going to collect it in Nigeria?

          It is possible that Izhmash is now focused on foreign markets at 70%.
          1. Manager
            Manager 1 November 2012 14: 34 New
            +1
            Joker,

            If they are going to work only for Export and are not going to rearm the Russian army, then I am sorry for the workers of IZHMASH, and in this case I put HORN.

            Message to the general directors of IZHA .... "Eat pineapples, chew grouse."
            For Vladimir Vladimirovich has been quite successfully fighting against the same "Gomni" as "You" lately.
            1. Joker
              Joker 1 November 2012 14: 48 New
              +1
              There is a contentious issue, the government itself does not make orders request And the designers in Izhmash can not imagine anything new, unfortunately, the AK-12 is good, but it’s still not a modern machine, you need to fit the FN Scar, interchangeable shafts, good reliability, the latest materials, ergonomics, the ability to install additional. body kit. At AK-12 there is nothing new except integrated strips and improved product quality, all the same it is not enough for a new machine, it would be time to try something else in parallel with AK.
        2. Karish
          Karish 1 November 2012 13: 38 New
          -2
          Quote: Manager
          Weren't you planning to rearm the entire army before 2013? Or again a newspaper chatter?

          No, it's true, for the remaining 2 months, they will take the AK-12 and re-equip everyone. laughing
        3. slav4ikus
          slav4ikus 1 November 2012 19: 22 New
          0
          the order is he ordered, but! look lead nose-expensive!
      2. Joker
        Joker 1 November 2012 13: 18 New
        +7
        I’m interested in the cons for what? For what I said that it is necessary to reduce the number of workers? So excuse me, these are the realities of our life with you, do you want quality? Automate your business. 20% of the workers there are definitely unnecessary, because what they do will make the machine 4 times better and faster, this applies to all kinds of assemblies and machining. If you don’t agree, argue this way, or let the blacksmiths forge details as in the good old days, and what we will provide for everyone to work and will produce guns from cast iron in the old fashioned way, do you want new weapons, quality and salaries, you need automation of production, a person somewhere to make a mistake maybe, but there’s no car, I installed the program, it does it, and in order not to reduce the workers, it’s necessary to expand the product line, make some new samples, retrain the employees and let them operate the machines. You are wonderful by golly, without horseradish automation from two you will see something new, in order to make a prototype now you need tons of drawings, a mountain of assemblers to collect the first sample, and with automation it’s enough to draw a sketch, a drawing and set a program for the machine, it’s all it will give you the details right away, it remains to assemble and test, and we need to dodge to create the parts, process them with a file, assemble, process again, maybe with 10 attempts you can get a sample where all the elements will fit together. So automation, automation, and again automation, without it, you should not even think about AK-12 and new machine guns, machine guns, pistols, namely new ones and not modernized ones. Take a look at Orsis, because everyone likes the rifle, beautiful, high-quality with excellent characteristics, and so they created it thanks to automation and design. It used to be drafted on paper, but now there are programs on the computer that will simplify all the work for you once in 10. You need to keep up with the times, and not to lag behind, moaning and swearing, and then forgive me, but you need to sacrifice something or retrain employees and send them to new lines, or dismiss, 3 is not given, but not given if the government is AK- 12 in large quantities in the troops to purchase or permit firearms to the population to sell, including machine guns, etc. how is done in the USA.
        1. tan0472
          tan0472 1 November 2012 13: 44 New
          +2
          Quote: Joker
          I’m interested in the cons for what?

          You need to explain more clearly. laughing
          The American worker gets six times more because he produces six times more products (he has better equipment) hi
        2. Karish
          Karish 1 November 2012 13: 47 New
          0
          Quote: Joker
          For what I said that it is necessary to reduce the number of workers? So excuse me, these are the realities of our life with you, do you want quality?

          People want everything to be the old way, and salaries to the new - it doesn’t happen, you have to be competitive. Or nobody will buy them simply corny. The market is littered and reckoning that they will buy only because of the name AK is stupid.
          In general, everything that was written is absolutely correct, it is a pity the people do not understand this. In our world, if you are not the best, you will not be anything. And rightly so, the army should have the best weapons, and not just because Izhmash is releasing it. And then kaklash like a penny (Lada), like, and it will come down, the people (army) will buy it all the same.

          Quote: Joker
          You need to keep up with the times, and not to lag behind, moaning and swearing, and here forgive me, but you need to sacrifice something or retrain employees and send them to new lines, or fire them,

          Dismiss the fuck who does not work, he does not eat. In general, how to decide on a sign of reasonable sufficiency. How many of these Kalashs are needed and what kind of production capacities, respectively, or will it be like now, ---- 2 million tons of ammunition must be disposed of. Now tell me how much dough was spent, what to release them, and now what would be used? Money is not a pity?
        3. Vadivak
          Vadivak 1 November 2012 14: 25 New
          +3
          Quote: Joker
          So excuse me, these are the realities of our life with you, do you want quality? Automate your business. 20% of workers there are definitely unnecessary,


          Where are they? Take it and throw it away? ,
          1. Joker
            Joker 1 November 2012 14: 36 New
            +2
            Either expand the range of manufactured goods and retrain, or, take and fire. Excuse me, let us continue to supply low-quality products to the troops. Here go and read http://forum.guns.ru/forumtopics/294.html many questions will disappear right away. Salaries are not paid and underestimated due to the high number of defective products, the plant loses money because of this, therefore automation and retraining, or dismissal, excuse me, let's pity the workers and will not release anything new and high-quality, these are the realities of life unfortunately . The staff of Izhmash is too bloated, despite the fact that orders are with Gulkin’s nose.
            1. Vadivak
              Vadivak 1 November 2012 14: 56 New
              +3
              Quote: Joker
              either, take and fire.


              Oleg did not try on himself?

              Quote: Joker
              Salaries do not pay and underestimate due to the high number of defective products,


              This is already a management problem, which only knows what to cut staff, and send the released payroll to your pocket and not to modernization
              1. Joker
                Joker 1 November 2012 15: 08 New
                +2
                Oleg did not try on himself?

                I tried on more than once, until in the end I opened my own business, if I have a head, then finding a job is not a problem. Just such a person that I can’t work at work that I don’t like request
                This is already a management problem, which only knows what to cut staff, and send the released payroll to your pocket and not to modernization

                So they dismiss those who make the marriage, and in order not to sit brains not to soar, you need to automate everything, and dismiss those employees with low rates. Vadim we already let's decide, are we for the plant and products, or for employees? All together will not work because the staff is greatly inflated and there are no orders. And you, Vadim, pay attention to your colleagues, what percentage of people who work and try, and how many those who do their work anyhow, anyhow they gave a salary and even to hell with them. Usually the ratio of 40% of workers to 60% of lazy people, do you agree with me? So of these 60% you can safely dismiss half, do not you think so?
          2. Karish
            Karish 1 November 2012 14: 40 New
            +1
            Quote: Vadivak
            Where are they? Take it and throw it away? ,

            Why, get fired. And that dismissal is a shooting? It is not possible to keep ballast at the enterprise or when the enterprise itself is ballast. Yes - these are of course people, but here the role of the state, which should provide the dismissed with decent unemployment benefits (in Israel, 75% of the salary, for half a year) and provide retraining courses or offer a job. But do not forget that a person himself must somehow participate in this search and training and it is not possible to keep unemployment indefinitely. - it perverts the very meaning of income-return.
            Only sick, disabled and orphans need to be provided. The rest should take care of themselves. Work, study, think about tomorrow - or raise a generation of parasites and parasites. A man himself is the smith of his own happiness and himself must exert some forces
            So in the * rotten * west is probably why they live so well.
            1. Vadivak
              Vadivak 1 November 2012 14: 52 New
              +4
              Quote: Karish
              It is not possible to keep ballast in the enterprise


              Sander, you're like a smart guy, tell me, who is the ballast? Those who have not invested a penny in modernization and receive millions or these hard workers who do not see the salary of all these Russian Technologies in a dream?
              Quote: Karish
              must provide decent unemployment benefits (in Israel, 75% of the salary, for half a year)

              What do you equal? Yes, even 75% of 12 rubles, but the prices? And where to find work in Izhevsk? Isn’t it Moscow or what to move there? So it's not rubber (as they say)
              1. Joker
                Joker 1 November 2012 15: 02 New
                +1
                Vadim, I gave you a link to the forum, read what quality these workers make products, about the principle of tyap-blap and everything is ready, but how they began to intensively check the products since recently, they revealed tons of marriage, hence they paid such salaries, so that here excuse the fault not only of the managers, but the workers themselves are to blame, everyone wants to do nothing and get a good salary, but Izhmash is not the place, the lives of people whose machine guns are of poor quality often depend on what you do can jam in battle, already lay took photos of the internals of the 3's AK and in each they are different in size, that's how the employees work there, so you don’t need to blame the management for everything, you should read the forum, just go over the topics, you will understand what you need to dismiss and how it’s possible to automate more work so that her car is carried out not by a person, this is not the production of teddy bears, but weapons, the barrel’s marriage can lead to the death of a soldier, only the workers don’t think about it, and the management has just begun serious checks, and you can imagine how many cars Comrade with a marriage already entered the army?
                1. Vadivak
                  Vadivak 1 November 2012 15: 07 New
                  +3
                  Quote: Joker
                  Vadim, I gave you a link to the forum, read what quality these workers make products,


                  I’m sure to read thanks, although now there’s so much lies about Izhmash, but I didn’t even dream of a defective Kalash in a nightmare
                  1. Joker
                    Joker 1 November 2012 15: 12 New
                    +2
                    Read, there are reviews of people purchasing Izhmash hunting products hi It got to the point that Orsis offered a service to finalize their products, it is so disgusting quality, there is even a theme for this part. And all this is civilian, which is a priori better than a military one in quality, and you can imagine what kind of weapon the troops are receiving, if a hunter can examine several trunks and choose the best one, then the Moscow Region doesn’t choose anything, they sent them everything they ordered.
              2. Karish
                Karish 1 November 2012 15: 24 New
                0
                Quote: Vadivak
                Those who have not invested a penny in modernization and receive millions or these hard workers who do not see the salary of all these Russian Technologies in a dream?

                Vadim, don’t go into demagogy, it doesn’t lead to anything. When a problem arises, they do not ask us why it cannot be done, they ask what can be done. Problems must be solved, not shouted about their unsolvability.
                An enterprise should be cost-effective and dot. The rules are clear. 1 Qualified personnel
                2Real salary (without it there simply will not be highly qualified personnel, because they will find a better place)
                3 Design Department and Development
                4 Release of quality products.
                And when this whole chain works, then
                5 directorate can set any salaries
                . The trouble is that in Russia it all starts with the last paragraph


                Quote: Vadivak
                What do you equal? Yes, even 75% of 12 rubles, but the prices?

                Well ? There is such a thing as a living wage. And the state is obliged to provide it to the unemployed. It should simply be calculated realistically, and not from the prices of the 80s.
                There are 1100 bucks in Israel.
                A living wage of 530 bucks per person. You won’t get enough of this money (if the allowance is at a minimum), but nobody should feed you caviar. Healthy - provide for yourself, Sick or disabled state provides a decent life. Again, of course, black may not be enough. but red will definitely be fellow
                Quote: Vadivak
                And where to find work in Izhevsk?

                And who cares? Study for another specialty, go to another city, open your own business - turn around in short. So all over the world, think about yourself, put aside your own retirement (50% is paid by the employer)
                Himself, yourself, and again yourself think about yourself and your happiness. Spin, the state should not get involved in the matter, such as where to work in Izhevsk is the prerogative of the local authorities, but in fact - it’s up to you to decide and act.
                Good luck hi
                1. Brother Sarych
                  Brother Sarych 1 November 2012 15: 27 New
                  +2
                  These same hoopoes undertook to reform the USSR, and then the Russian economy - the result is obvious ...
                  Only dogma, no practice and understanding of the real situation ...
                  1. Karish
                    Karish 1 November 2012 15: 53 New
                    0
                    Quote: Brother Sarich
                    These same hoopoes undertook to reform the USSR, and then the Russian economy - the result is obvious ...

                    All of Europe, America live like that. And in Russia, some local conditions probably interfere.
                    The company bought a Mercedes plant AvtoVAZ.
                    Reconfigured production, start the conveyor ...
                    Bam! at the exit of the Lada!

                    They dismantled the equipment, drove a new one from Germany, installed
                    set up, run.
                    !!! Lada again!

                    Fuck all the factory staff, bring workers from Germany,
                    establish, check, launch.
                    At the exit again - Lada!

                    There is a hill near the plant; the chief engineer and director of the plant rest on it
                    (both with the prefix "ex"). Look at it all.
                    Engineer to Director:
                    - And I told you - the place is damned! And then all "hands from the ass, hands from
                    ass "...
                2. Vadivak
                  Vadivak 1 November 2012 15: 52 New
                  +5
                  Quote: Karish
                  And who cares? Study for another specialty, go to another city, open your own business - turn around in short. So all over the world, think about yourself, put aside your own retirement


                  This is when you can re-learn 30 and when you don’t really turn up for 50, you probably heard about the failure of pension reform in Russia,
                  1. Joker
                    Joker 1 November 2012 16: 01 New
                    +1
                    Let us return from the pity of all pensioners to their jobs? And the fact that the efficiency of young employees is higher is not important, I have seen enough of Vadim on these 50-year-olds at one time, as a rule they sit and do not do a damn thing or do it at such a rate that you can fall asleep, you need to give up the place for young people, otherwise they have nowhere to go, everyone sits on the ground after retirement until they turn blue and doesn’t want to leave, and during this time they can train young specialists, the youth are now, if you like something, they catch everything on the fly. Only as the rules wherever you like grandparents sit and cling to their place so that they probably will die in this place and they don’t want to share their knowledge that the most important thing, they are doing their own thing.
                    1. igor67
                      igor67 1 November 2012 17: 07 New
                      +1
                      Joker,
                      I’m watching RTR news, in Chelyabinsk, the Minister of Health talked about a scam and got 25 leam, where the money is. And why in every region is a minister?
                  2. Karish
                    Karish 1 November 2012 16: 07 New
                    +3
                    Quote: Vadivak
                    It’s when 30 then you can relearn and when you don’t really turn around for 50

                    It’s generally good to be young, healthy and preferably beautiful laughing Of course, 50 years is a problem, and everywhere. But there are no identical recipes. I have a man of 67 years at the age of retirement, 50 years old * young *, just kidding. But up to 50, you must become a highly qualified employee (worker) to be valuable at this age. In general, youth is a means of ensuring old age, so you need to think about it in youth

                    Quote: Vadivak
                    You probably heard about the failure of pension reform in Russia,

                    And this failure is natural. Firstly, no one in the country believes that money can be postponed today, but received in 30-40 years. Then the main grandmothers pay in cash, so as not to pay taxes.
                    And of course the approach - the state is obliged. Nobody owes you anything except himself. Here you need to understand
                    I have been paying the pension fund for 20 years. Work another 23 years until retirement. I know that upon retirement I will have more than a decent pension, that’s faith and the whole problem. When a person is confident in the future - he pays, not sure (as you have) - no.
                    And of course, fairy tales of GDP about not increasing the retirement age — they will increase, there’s no way to go, otherwise the state will go bankrupt. By the way, in general, pensions are not a problem of the state. There are private pension funds. The state obliges all employers to pay to the pension fund that you have chosen (there are 10 pieces) and that’s it. Further, the state law prohibits box offices from investing money in the stock exchange and in risky funds, and also limits the commission they charge. Everything - everything else - is your personal headache. You can go from cash to cash, you decide everything yourself. The only thing you can’t do is take the money before retiring. By the way, in case of death, the wife will receive 75% of your pension.
                    In Russia, for some reason, dozens of successfully implemented reforms worldwide have failed. I think because of the total lack of trust in the authorities.
                    1. Vadivak
                      Vadivak 1 November 2012 16: 58 New
                      +4
                      Quote: Karish
                      I already pay to the pension fund for 20 years


                      Sander, there’s no such box office, don’t sing war songs, don’t upset your father (just kidding),

                      Quote: Karish
                      When a person is confident in tomorrow


                      So it was here during the USSR

                      Quote: Karish
                      increase, not to get anywhere


                      No one doubts


                      Quote: Karish
                      Further, the state law prohibits box offices from investing money in the stock exchange and in risky funds,


                      Fig yourself, outrage


                      Quote: Karish
                      In Russia, for some reason, dozens of successfully implemented reforms worldwide have failed.


                      Sander, and you take away (steal) the reformer father and send this bitch to the kibbutz. I will first bow
                      1. Karish
                        Karish 1 November 2012 22: 40 New
                        +1
                        Quote: Vadivak
                        So it was here during the USSR


                        OK. but he is no longer there. It’s just stupidly not. But you need to live now, and raise children and think about their future (and you yourself want to live more), so there’s no time to nostalgia. Here you are either on a horse or under a horse laughing
                        Quote: Vadivak
                        Sander, and you take away (steal) the reformer father and send this bitch to the kibbutz. I will first bow

                        Believe me, there are enough parasites in kibbutzim, in general, no matter how beautiful, but without work there will be nothing long, stubborn and daily. Well, we don’t have wells. so you have to spin crying
                      2. Vadivak
                        Vadivak 2 November 2012 08: 19 New
                        +2
                        Quote: Karish
                        Well, we don’t have wells. so you have to spin

                        And we have but not about our honor
                  3. Botanologist
                    Botanologist 1 November 2012 21: 11 New
                    +2
                    In Russia, for some reason, dozens of successfully implemented reforms worldwide have failed.

                    The inscription above the writing: DO NOT FLAT YOURSELF, GO CLOSER.

                    My money was withdrawn from the payroll to the accumulative fund. Then it was canceled. Now they are removing the unified social tax. Where he goes, I see, passing by the newest building of the FIU. In the near future, GDP with DAM will decide which of the initiatives and how to carry out - but in any case not in my favor. Frankly, they don’t give a damn to us, since we don’t know each other.

                    So my pension, I’m sure, is what we’ll create for a rainy day. And most likely I will work until I die.
                    However, this is not a burden to me. I can’t sit on a bench.
                    1. SAVA555.IVANOV
                      SAVA555.IVANOV 1 November 2012 21: 48 New
                      0
                      Quote: Botanologist
                      So my pension, I’m sure, is what we’ll create for a rainy day. And most likely I will work until I die.
                      However, this is not a burden to me. I can’t sit on a bench.

                      It's sad like that (((maybe because autumn! ???
                      Or maybe we will live according to the principle "The evil don't die"! ??))) Or a little more optimism !?)))))
    2. Karish
      Karish 1 November 2012 13: 36 New
      0
      In short, the full well ... Why is there no money? They seem to be in defense orders to 2020 already a trillion bucks?
      Everyone wants to cut down the loot without doing anything. Is almost the entire assembly at the factory a screwdriver? And how many people do they work there?
      Throughout Israel Military Industries (the Israeli military state corporation that produces weapons systems, ammunition, and rocket and armored vehicles [1]. The main supplier of weapons for the Israel Defense Forces.) Employs 3200 people, turnover 650 million bucks.
      All have decent salaries and working conditions. The nomenclature of armaments (small arms, one of the segments) from devices to Kalash to the release of Tavor and its modifications, pistols and machine guns (and this factory for the production of small arms) employs less than 300 people. Including management and design department.
      We need to work, and everything from the director to the worker and then everything will turn out.
      1. Joker
        Joker 1 November 2012 13: 51 New
        0
        In short, the full well ... Why is there no money? They seem to be in defense orders to 2020 already a trillion bucks?

        But this is another question and not a trillion bucks, but a trillion rubles, a trillion bucks is more than all rearmament allocated before 2020 hi
        Where did the money go? Yes, it is unknown, new machines on Izhmash did not appear request everything is the same, only those machines that were hidden by bins uncovered, remember the story of how they came to the factory with a check, everything works on junk, and newer machines for which the money had once been allocated were packed, then they were unpacked and made on them AK-12. Where the money went is unknown.
        Is almost the entire assembly at the factory a screwdriver?

        This is exactly what the photo is attached hi
        And how many people do they work there?

        A little over 5000 people.
        Throughout Israel Military Industries (the Israeli military state corporation that produces weapons systems, ammunition, and rocket and armored vehicles [1]. The main supplier of weapons for the Israel Defense Forces.) Employs 3200 people, turnover 650 million bucks.

        That's the point, they have everything automated, 5000 works for us, they have 3200, and ours is released not less than an example, we need automation, modernization and retraining for new lines, or a banal reduction.
        All have decent salaries and working conditions. The nomenclature of armaments (small arms, one of the segments) from devices to Kalash to the release of Tavor and its modifications (and this factory for the production of small arms) employs less than 300 people. Including management and design department.

        Smaller people and with the same profit will have more salaries.
        It’s necessary to work, and everything from the director to the worker and then everything will turn out

        In order to make a profit for Izhmash now you need to create NEW weapons models with new technologies and materials, here you need automation, modernization, higher salaries, attracting new designers, and increasing the sales network around the world. Do you know how the AK-12 is expected in the USA? hi they already lined up in line there, just as they stand behind the Apple Iphone, just as they are waiting for the new AK, we need to expand the network, build many points of sale around the world.
        1. Joker
          Joker 1 November 2012 14: 01 New
          +3
          I forgot to add a photo from Izhmash hi Here you have the latest machines hi
          1. NUT
            NUT 1 November 2012 14: 24 New
            +4
            Quote: Joker
            Here you have the latest machines

            well, very similar to the German trophy type "Braun Aa Lerost" thirty of some year of release
            1. Joker
              Joker 1 November 2012 14: 38 New
              +4
              And there they stand, it’s German trophy hi
        2. Karish
          Karish 1 November 2012 14: 11 New
          +1
          Quote: Joker
          trillion bucks is more than all rearmament allocated until 2020

          I meant it, a trillion bucks for rearmament until 2020

          Quote: Joker
          A little over 5000 people.

          Get fucked up, and this is only Izhmash. How many Kalash (and its products) should be produced in order to feed so much?

          Quote: Joker
          Smaller people and with the same profit will have more salaries.

          3rd grade math hi

          Quote: Joker
          In order to make a profit for Izhmash now you need to create NEW weapons models with new technologies and materials, here you need automation, modernization, higher salaries, attracting new designers, and increasing the sales network around the world. Do you know how the AK-12 is expected in the USA?

          the civilian market is not the same, but the main thing is how the Army is waiting for it. In defense orders, the main money. I will say in Israel, the AK has long been upgraded to the level of AK-12. All these devices and devices are freely sold in the civilian market and for a long time.
          The concept of Kalash has exhausted itself for a long time and already has no reserves for modernization. It must be something completely new.
          In general, in one country, so many factories producing small arms are superfluous. Izhmash, Kovrov. Tula, Zlatoust, Vyatka, Signal, Tochmash, Dyagteryov, State Unitary Enterprise - are there many countries? You can kill as many grandmas as you like, how many people work at all these plants? What is the result? Where is the new?
          In general, the feeling that no one is doing anything, but give money.
          1. Joker
            Joker 1 November 2012 14: 42 New
            +3
            There are not many factories, the competition is always useful, the main thing is that the government supports this competition, and now the government plays on the same side with Izhmash, although the Kovrovites have AEK-971, a wonderful machine, according to rumors they are developing something new now, wait and see, by the way, almost everyone except Izhmash produces other products besides a firearm, so they survive. Everything must be accepted with the help of an unbiased tender, and then there will be something new. And of course, we need to modernize and reduce the inflated staff.
            1. Karish
              Karish 1 November 2012 14: 48 New
              +3
              Quote: Joker
              Everything must be accepted with the help of an unbiased tender, and then there will be something new. And of course, we need modernization and reduction of the inflated staff.

              10500 (+)
    3. old rocket man
      old rocket man 1 November 2012 14: 39 New
      +2
      Quote: Joker
      30-40% of employees can be dismissed as unnecessary, and due to their dismissal, you can almost double the salaries of the rest


      I agree completely, with one small exception.
      As practice has shown, after reduction, with the same output volumes, salaries increase only for the management, at the expense of bonuses for output, while workers remain at the same level fellow
      1. Joker
        Joker 1 November 2012 14: 52 New
        +1
        And here is a lie hi At the Concern Sozvezdiye OJSC, salaries were cut and increased, just put Putin under personal control or under the control of trade unions and everything will be done. When the state is incredibly inflated, the management does not care what salaries are there, they leave, nothing will happen, but when there is no ballast, everyone is working in their places, then each employee is valued much higher, if he leaves and immediately problems will begin on his site, there is no one to replace quickly, since there is no ballast, hence the increase in salaries and normal working conditions for the employee to work, work and was satisfied.
        1. grizzlir
          grizzlir 1 November 2012 15: 51 New
          +2
          Quote: Joker
          When the staff is incredibly inflated, then the leadership doesn’t care what salaries there, they will leave so they will leave, nothing will happen, but when there is no ballast, everyone works in their places, then each employee is much higher

          Joker, you seem to keep your own laws of the capitalist market, you should know that with a planned economy they calculate how much goods to produce and how many people are needed for this. But capitalist production is cyclical, you got rid of the ballast today, and tomorrow you have an order for the production of goods. And how then to recruit people (often not qualified), and then with the decline in kick production in their ass?
          1. Joker
            Joker 1 November 2012 16: 09 New
            +1
            But that’s why there should be reserves, only in this area should they not be achieved at the expense of the human factor, but at the expense of the capabilities of automated systems. We have 3 production lines, 100 people are involved there, with an average number of orders they issue (figuratively) 1000 AK per month, when large orders are received, what prevents to increase the assembly speed of processing machines? The man there is more to check, install, everything is done by automated equipment, with medium orders the production rate is set one, with large orders the orders have increased, bought another automated production line to the rescue and trained the staff. The bottom line is that the machine does MUCH much faster and better than a person and if a person needs a lunch break, the machine does not need it, in case of giant orders you can start the machines to their fullest, and you can train personnel to use them in 2-3 months, this not some designers, but just people who monitor and correct the operation of the machines. The main thing in practice is that they will understand everything and will understand everything themselves, there is no need for any wild knowledge. Do you think those who are now manually collecting AKs have some kind of wild knowledge, Nobel laureates? No, ordinary people, many without higher education, the main design of AK is to know everything. As for those who process the details, create them on the machines, so the machines will cope with it 100 times more efficiently, put a couple of observers so that they set the data and check everything hi In China, Foxcon factory workers generally rebelled, their director wanted to replace everyone with robotics, the factory specializes in the assembly of electronic equipment, including Apple, so they understand that if you expand production, you still need to hire workers, build new buildings, you can go to deliver machines, one of which can replace 20 workers, do you catch the point? A worker can make a mistake somewhere, but a machine does everything strictly according to a given program and does not get tired, hence the highest quality and high efficiency.
            1. grizzlir
              grizzlir 1 November 2012 16: 30 New
              +2
              Quote: Joker
              But that’s why there should be reserves, only in this area should they not be achieved at the expense of the human factor, but at the expense of the capabilities of automated systems.
              You can’t argue all this. Automation of production is necessary. There’s just a lot of unnecessary people to put out. Take to the streets and monitor the process of extinction of the nation. This process has already been launched. For the life of the elite in Russia, they don’t need such a population at the moment, they need it only interferes.
              Only there is one important point. Once again, there is a conflict like the Chechen one, or even worse. People will be needed right away. And they will drive the rest, and there will be patriotic slogans. For the tsar, for the fatherland, to fight the enemy. But there may be no one to drive like that. And what kind of fatherland is this when when you work, you are a ballast, and you must die in battle.
              1. Joker
                Joker 1 November 2012 16: 41 New
                +1
                You can automate gradually, replacing people of retirement age, the young will find a job, for that they are young. And if you do not fire, then how to develop? It turns out that we are at an impasse request
                1. Karish
                  Karish 2 November 2012 08: 26 New
                  +2
                  Quote: Joker

                  You can automate gradually, replacing people of retirement age, the young will find a job, for that they are young. And if you do not fire, then how to develop? It turns out that we are at an impasse

                  Our nickname doesn’t do this. If a private enterprise is fired, you receive compensation (by law) one salary for each year of work and go to the exchange. If the state - and you are in the pre-retirement age (or even 10-15 years) earlier than your pension, you can send them to a premature pension, with compensation up to 250% for each year of work. Of course, in retirement you can work if you find.
                  There is no time for gradual modernization - otherwise the chron. Lag is provided.
                  Sorry for the old people, as always, they fell between a rock and a hard place. but if you do not let the youth move the work forward, we again fall into the same swamp.
              2. bask
                bask 1 November 2012 16: 44 New
                +3
                grizzir 100% right. Here's another info Vyatka arms factory bankrupt. Is it not wrecking ????? Then what is sabotage, What kind of ... tanks and new armored vehicles. by the year 15 I don’t believe. NOT ... I won’t have anything. They’ll postpone it until the age of 18 .. And if a conflict starts. the battle for Chubas Abramovich’s bear, etc. .... And their sons will be sitting on yachts worth 0000000000 and fucking fashion models. Drinking champagne for 2000 greens That's the whole layout we have today + salary in the country, real 6-7 thousand rubles. ..... All b ....... I
                1. Joker
                  Joker 1 November 2012 17: 02 New
                  +2
                  There’s nothing to be done, that’s our fate, as long as there is no war on our backs, everyone hangs legs dangling, scolding, and how they jump up so much and hide behind our backs. The cartoon is generally about this. I advise you to look.
            2. Sapsan
              Sapsan 1 November 2012 22: 01 New
              +1
              At Foxcon factories, assembly lines have the fastest speed, with a workday of 14 hours. Because of such a load, a wave of suicides swept there, and the "defective management" wanted to further increase the speed of the conveyor, so the hard workers reared up. There was no question of any robotics there.
          2. Vadivak
            Vadivak 1 November 2012 20: 15 New
            +3
            Quote: grizzlir
            and then with the decline in kick production in their ass?


            +
          3. Karish
            Karish 2 November 2012 08: 20 New
            +1
            Quote: grizzlir
            But capitalist production is cyclical, you got rid of the ballast today, and tomorrow you will receive an order for the production of goods.
            Well, in general, the deadline for fulfilling orders is from today to tomorrow, then there is a labor market, agencies that find you a specialist and hire a contract * until the end of the project * - this is with us. It is impossible to keep the plant a huge number of working forces in the hope of ordering. There is a rabrot - they are gaining additionally, no - there remains a professional backbone. He always has an average level of orders.
      2. Manager
        Manager 1 November 2012 15: 14 New
        +3
        Quote: Old Rocketman
        I agree completely, with one small exception.
        As practice has shown, after reduction, with the same output volumes, salaries increase only for the management, at the expense of bonuses for output, while workers remain at the same level


        Igor, even if the salary rises by at least 5000 r, believe me this is a very significant amount for these people. Only here is the question. Where will those 30-40% of laid-off (laid-off) workers go?
        Basically, these people are already at an age, and taking into account the fact that in the Russian hinterland and young people they cannot find a job more or less worthy, then these reduced specialists will turn out to be useless to everyone.
        Very sorry. And it's a shame. recourse
        1. Joker
          Joker 1 November 2012 15: 44 New
          0
          Very sorry. And it's a shame

          So what to do? Here it’s only so unfortunately request or expand the product line, but there’s nothing to expand it request and there are no orders from the MO, so just dismiss.
          1. grizzlir
            grizzlir 1 November 2012 16: 34 New
            +1
            Quote: Joker
            So what to do?
            And who said that the latest Russian weapons developments are so bad? Let's rearm the army with new AKs. Everything will spin up, turn around and there will still be not enough people at the plant. Only for this we need funds from the state for public procurement. And they aren’t there.
            1. Joker
              Joker 1 November 2012 16: 47 New
              0
              It is possible so, but here it all depends on the government and not on the plant managers hi But the government does not buy. to increase 5 000 workers' salaries by 5 000 p. it is necessary that the profit per month be 25 million rubles. Can you imagine what this amount is, for 2012 the profit of Izhmash 32 million rubles, do you catch the point? Purely physically, the plant cannot raise salaries without layoffs. They only got out of bankruptcy anyway, if everything raises the salary, the company ends, then either huge government orders will help, or dismissal with automation, the second looks most real.
              1. grizzlir
                grizzlir 1 November 2012 16: 59 New
                +1
                Quote: Joker
                here either huge government orders will help, or dismissal with automation,
                Well, if we begin the rearmament of our army, it will be a mega order. Moreover, a long-term one. I can’t judge the degree of automation of the plant, but even if people are thrown out into the street, automation without orders is also impossible. It really depends on the state’s decision.
                1. Joker
                  Joker 1 November 2012 17: 21 New
                  +3
                  . Really, everything depends on the decision of the state.

                  That's about it, since Izhmash was originally created by a factory focused on the state market, unlike the Americans, who are focused on the markets of other countries and their civilian sector. If the US government suddenly doesn’t take orders for 20 years, then this will not hurt the plant, they will close a couple of lines and dismiss 1000 workers and nothing will always be profitable and will not go bankrupt. But Izhmash is completely dependent on the state, on orders. No orders work at a loss, and have become bankrupt, so they are now oriented to the markets of other countries, since the government is not going to buy anything, they will upgrade the maximum by installing a kit. So there is a claim to the government and not to Izhmash, they’re spinning as they can, and as you can see, they can’t increase their salaries without orders. These are the pies, and in order to create a new machine, you need money, designers and TK from the government with a guarantee that after its creation there will be purchases in large quantities, and no one gives TK, the government themselves do not know what they need, but make a new machine that perhaps no one will buy is not profitable. Americans make new weapons based on foreign markets and what citizens like, hence new crises can prevent them from buying new models, but the government always gives them weapons, only they have competition and tenders there, which forces developers to try and make a quality product .
  • Bugor
    Bugor 1 November 2012 11: 38 New
    +3
    Pts rarely, when my opinion coincides with the opinion of Sarych.
    But right now, it seems that way. Who will work? And on what? They killed the vocational schools, drove all sorts of colleges and lyceums, but who will go to the plants? I'm not talking about the craftsmen and SC, I am simple turners and locksmiths ...
    1. Igor
      Igor 1 November 2012 12: 09 New
      +3
      Quote: Bugor
      And on what? Vocational schools killed, ponyalyapali any colleges


      And how is the college different from vocational schools? I had a vocational school in the city, then it was repaired, computerized and called a college, and what specialties in vocational schools were the same and remained in college.

      Quote: Bugor
      and lyceums


      Lyceums are already from a completely different opera.
    2. Karish
      Karish 1 November 2012 13: 52 New
      -2
      Quote: Bugor
      oh right now, it seems that way. Who will work? And on what? They killed the vocational schools, drove all sorts of colleges and lyceums, but who will go to the plants? I'm not talking about the craftsmen and SC, I am simple turners and locksmiths ...

      No one to work with? Nothing, so it means to disperse the plant, leave the small skeleton with the design department and begin to rebuild everything anew, from production to personnel. It takes time, it’s understandable, but how else? For now, to purchase (for combat units) weapons in the west, and not military ones, and run with old Kalash. And so, it is impossible to drag a factory with thousands of workers not releasing anything.
      Enough here to breed a social program, not a boarding house of noble maidens. Do not release competitive products, fuck, go bankrupt and to the exchange.
      Only competitive struggle will make it possible to produce high quality, cheap and exactly what the troops are waiting for
  • survivor
    survivor 1 November 2012 11: 43 New
    +4
    while the factory is dominating the Menezhderovsky p-and-d -... and the question will not really be resolved. to nail all this corrupt fraternity !!!
    1. NUT
      NUT 1 November 2012 12: 30 New
      +4
      But there’s simply no one to press
      Quote: survivor
      to nail all this corrupt fraternity !!!

      "Now a Jew is in all corners and at all steps of power. The Russian man sees him both at the head of Moscow, and at the head of the Nevskaya capital. He sees that St. Vladimir Avenue now bears the glorious name of Nakhimson, the historical Liteiny Avenue has been renamed Volodarsky Avenue , and Pavlovsk - to Slutsk.
      The Russian man now sees the Jew as both a judge and an executioner ... "

      I.M.BIKERMAN / 1867 - 1941 / Journalist. Collection of articles "Russia and the Jews", Berlin, 1924
      Quote: survivor
      there is a dominance of the Menezhderovsky p-and-d -... and the question will not really be resolved
      because
      "The Jew believes that the world belongs to him alone by right and that he does not, in essence, do anything else as soon as he collects his property ... The Jews own Russia. Everything there actually belongs to them ..."
      HENRY FORD / 1863-1947 / American auto industrialist. From the New-York Times,
      “I do not know a plague that is more harmful to the state than this people, because of its ability to deceive, beggary, and engage in all those things that disgust any honest person through deception, usury and money transactions.”
      Maria Theresa (1717-1780): Austrian Empress, from the handwritten message of the court chancellery 1747
      1. NUT
        NUT 1 November 2012 14: 08 New
        0
        Why was it wrong Austrian EmpressLooking at what those we do not drink with, with Izhmash, are doing with the whole Russian Land?
        Is not through deception, usury and money transactions, these walruses, have brought to poverty the Russian people?
        Is not disgust any honest person those "democratic transformations" that occurred with the Russian, once mighty industry, medicine, culture, education, with the Great and Mighty Power?
  • DRY
    DRY 1 November 2012 11: 45 New
    0
    DIFFICULT TO LIVE IN A VILLAGE WITHOUT NAGAN!
  • Begemot
    Begemot 1 November 2012 11: 50 New
    +6
    In fact, everything is exactly as Kalashnikov wrote. First, the former director privatized the plant "honestly" in the 90s, then, when it became necessary to really manage this colossus, especially during the crisis period, he realized that he could not afford it, began to sell it in parts and change its structure. A bunch of Moscow gaskets immediately appeared, through which all products were sold and into which all profits were squeezed out. The plant began to be poor before our eyes. Whole production facilities were closed: WTO, machine tool, motorcycle production, instrumentation, etc. Then, after a long struggle with the former, he was removed from the leadership and then the Varangians began leapfrog. These suckers both literally and figuratively sucked the last juices, while not even doing some kind of recovery. The plan was simple - to bankrupt the plant in order to throw away all creditors and tax officials, and to profit from it ourselves. Only the last one turned out. When bankruptcy was launched, all of a sudden it came to this "management" of the plant !!!! that no matter what, decent money continues to flow under the old contracts. They rushed to the courts to slow down the bankruptcy. Here is the level of qualification of "leaders" from the Republic of Tatarstan !!! Suckers and nothing else can do anything else. Kuzyuki, one word. And the current director is from the same series. So I already said: do not expect Izhmash to re-equip with a new AK in the near future.
  • cherkas.oe
    cherkas.oe 1 November 2012 11: 50 New
    +1
    All this mess was started with the aim of undermining the situation and changing the leadership, or at least taking control and then falling to the trough, because impressive financial infusions are coming, and therefore the opportunity to roll back or somehow get boiled, that's where the "fuss" is, and the GRANDFATHER was caught and used by his love of business, and the Chekists have to start with him, find out in more detail what kind of fucking blows in his ears and attach it under an ax.
  • Pimply
    Pimply 1 November 2012 12: 06 New
    +2
    Inner brawls.
    1. Manager
      Manager 1 November 2012 12: 21 New
      0
      Quote: Pimply

      Inner brawls.

      For such enterprises, this is not permissible!
      1. Pimply
        Pimply 1 November 2012 12: 56 New
        0
        Such an enterprise should come out of the Stone Age, and finally face reality
  • gleb49
    gleb49 1 November 2012 12: 12 New
    +2
    Five times the size of the average salary for managers and there will be order.
  • gansik
    gansik 1 November 2012 12: 16 New
    +5
    We believe Mikhail Kalashnikov! Such a person cannot lie!
    1. Manager
      Manager 1 November 2012 12: 25 New
      +3
      Quote: Hansik

      We believe Mikhail Kalashnikov! Such a person cannot lie!


      To believe such a person is in any case worth it. This is about IZHMASH.
      But I get the impression that it’s not easy, it’s kind of like trying to break it up. Looks like a replacement was found. Although this theory is stupid, but if you compare all the facts and draw parallels with large private firms, the methods are the same.
      1) This is to get rid of the staff.
      2) Sow discord among the leadership.
      3) Sow info about corruption.
      And the job is done. Shares are worth a penny, a new investor comes kind uncle. He buys this whole thing for nothing, and then either does something valuable or altogether reshapes it for the production of American chips or Coca-Cola.
      In general, one way or another, the intervention of V.V.P. just a must.
    2. Karish
      Karish 1 November 2012 13: 56 New
      -4
      Quote: Hansik
      We believe Mikhail Kalashnikov! Such a person cannot lie!

      Unfortunately, he is so many years old (90) that I don’t think he understands what he is signing. Whoever just plays his game under his name.
  • Romeohihnic
    Romeohihnic 1 November 2012 12: 22 New
    +4
    I sincerely sympathize with the workers of IZHMASH !!! Vladimir Vladimirovich take measures as long as you can wait !!! Our great country needs high-quality weapons and personnel.
  • Igor
    Igor 1 November 2012 12: 32 New
    +5
    In general, who wants to delve deeper into the topic, watch this movie here, about effective managers, bankruptcy of profitable enterprises, power, etc.:

    "Raiding or gop-stop management." http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V6iUsria3YU
  • lewerlin53rus
    lewerlin53rus 1 November 2012 12: 32 New
    +5
    These managers will expect that hard workers will take up their own products. It is high time to legislatively establish the dependence of management salaries and engineering on the average for the enterprise. And then they took the fashion of setting salaries for themselves, as long as conscience allows. Moreover, the existence of conscience is in question.
  • Pit Bull59
    Pit Bull59 1 November 2012 12: 56 New
    +7
    What's happening? And they just kill, destroy our defense industry! Started small - with machine guns. Finish (God forbid) missile weapons. But this is all the cry of the soul. But seriously - before not bad hunting rifles were made on IZhmash. Remember IZH-26. His trunks were excellent! At the very same place was (grandfather's). Even if I got dirt in the trunks (one of the trunks was clogged with this mud - I do not know how much it was there), I shot. The trunk was not swollen or torn. I took it for verification - everything is normal. In general, they ruin our industry !!! For Kalashnikov it is a shame and pain !!!
  • Pit Bull59
    Pit Bull59 1 November 2012 13: 11 New
    +2
    Manager
    survivor
    Pimply
    lewerlin53rus
    Igor
    Along the way, "interim manager AA Kosov"
    1. Manager
      Manager 1 November 2012 13: 15 New
      +4
      Quote: Pit Bull59
      Manager
      survivor
      Pimply
      lewerlin53rus
      Igor
      Along the way, "interim manager AA Kosov"


      Yes and figs with him. I put everything on the plus.
    2. Igor
      Igor 1 November 2012 13: 20 New
      +4
      Yes, somehow .... at these minuses, local madmen rave about (if their opinion does not coincide with yours, then you’ll get a minus), and even the wild moder Vadivak isn’t at all friendly with his head, he writes to me, and then he says that does not write, and sends me warnings laughing
    3. lewerlin53rus
      lewerlin53rus 1 November 2012 18: 17 New
      0
      Quote: Pit Bull59
      Manager
      survivor
      Pimply
      lewerlin53rus
      Igor
      Along the way, "interim manager AA Kosov"

      Dai x with him. He me, in the next topic about the bombing of Sudan, the inhabitants of the promised land zamunusali outrageously. True, by morning again was in positive territory laughing
  • AAA
    AAA 1 November 2012 13: 15 New
    0
    One involuntarily recalls the words: "Russia cannot be understood with the mind, cannot be measured with a common yardstick ..."
  • understudy
    understudy 1 November 2012 13: 22 New
    +2
    Quote: Igorek
    what were the specialties in vocational schools are the same and remained in college


    It means that your vocational school was just lucky. Most vocational schools were dropped from federal funding to regional funding without any centralized funding and therefore simply died because they were unnecessary for a particular region or region. Vocational schools were created to provide the entire country with qualified workers, but they turned out to be a heavy burden on local budgets. Not pulled. And "Moscow" simply threw off unnecessary problems and forgot about them ... until recently, when it began to understand that the security of the state is also their personal security. I hope, I really hope that all is not lost for us.
    1. Igor
      Igor 1 November 2012 13: 33 New
      0
      Quote: Understudy
      Most vocational schools were dropped from federal funding


      Everything was the same with our vocational schools, but the mining corporation took it into balance and is preparing personnel for itself.

      Quote: Understudy
      Vocational schools were created to provide skilled workers throughout the country, but turned out to be a heavy burden for local budgets.


      On the one hand it’s true, but if you look on the other hand, we’ll see that after the collapse of the USSR, thousands of production facilities were closed, and in the 2000s raiding began because of this, many factories were also closed, so it turned out to train so many personnel for non-existent productions not profitable. In principle, now the same thing is happening with humanitarian education.
  • erased
    erased 1 November 2012 13: 49 New
    +3
    Destroying the remains of the military-industrial complex is one of the tasks. Just who set and who performs it?
  • grizzlir
    grizzlir 1 November 2012 14: 57 New
    +4
    So, from the moment of formation of Izhmash NPO OJSC (beginning of 2011), it was possible not only to pay off debts to employees, but also to raise salaries by 21% (up to 14,6 thousand rubles).
    Oh, this average salary. But it is not better to voice the salary of the director, management and assemblers with a turning site.
  • bistrov.
    bistrov. 1 November 2012 15: 46 New
    +2
    Here is the "capitalist mode of production"! They can neither create anything sensible, nor produce normally. Under the USSR, samples - "brands" were created, which conquered the whole world, they somehow survived these 20 years on the old margin of safety and released "steam". Isn't that why India is rejecting Russian weapons? Apparently, "Nikolashin's times" are coming, when the Russian army was armed with Belgian "revolvers" and went on the British armored cars "Austin". Very unfortunate! Where is the GDP looking? Re-privatize the plant and force its current owners to pay a penalty.
  • UzRus
    UzRus 1 November 2012 16: 28 New
    +1
    And which was determined, first of all, by state interests and was accompanied by state support. - And cho, now the state does not need a plant, right?
  • vlad.1924
    vlad.1924 1 November 2012 17: 00 New
    +2
    Yes, all over Russia, the newly appointed director from Moscow comes with his team of 50 people to the plant and "miracles" begin! The team and the director himself receive a salary "Moskovskaya" and regardless of the results of the enterprise, and the rest are the average salary in the region! This shameful practice takes place and the events at Izhmash ... this is just the beginning ... Is it really possible at a military plant, and 10 thousand salaries ... Is an honest working person will respect himself and the "leaders" of the plant after such a salary? Is it really possible for such a salary to support a family and children, pay utility bills and much more? Of course not ... So the good "gentlemen" wait for events ...
  • Sleptsoff
    Sleptsoff 1 November 2012 17: 03 New
    +1
    Izhmash missed the period of modernization of production equipment, apparently hoping that its kalash made on the knee would continue to be sold out in millions, which cannot be said about competitors who upgraded and began to produce higher quality products. Times have changed, the buyer is no longer always satisfied with the phrase "cheap and cheerful" and now he wants higher quality products, which can only be achieved with modern equipment. An example is our helicopters, airplanes, etc., which have lost tenders in India.
    1. Karabin
      Karabin 1 November 2012 20: 21 New
      +1
      Quote: Sleptsoff
      Izhmash missed a period of modernization

      In our country, the whole industry, with the exception of a small percentage of enterprises, has missed this period, and this cannot be attributed only to the enterprises themselves. Here the question is more to the authorities that created such conditions. There are even more questions regarding Putin’s defense than with Yeltsin, since it was precisely during the years of Putin’s rule that the Soviet margin of safety was over.
  • APASUS
    APASUS 1 November 2012 18: 39 New
    +2
    Now people do not work for the idea! Their defense capability is not surprising!
    Now, the more money .............. director, the better ........ to the owner!
  • Comrade1945
    Comrade1945 1 November 2012 19: 24 New
    +2
    The legendary creator of AK-47 Mikhail Kalashnikov and other veterans of the Izhmash plant turned to Vladimir Putin with a request to save the enterprise from inept management actions.

    This UNCLE g * ram, I apologize, will not say!
  • SAVA555.IVANOV
    SAVA555.IVANOV 1 November 2012 19: 40 New
    +5
    Now the average salary level in 103 workshops in September 2012 amounted to 11 515 rubles, for other workshops of weapons production - from 12 034 rubles to 17 018 rubles.
    RUSSIAN LEADERS OF ALL LEVELS Country of fools !!!!!!!!! Such salaries at the world-famous manufacturing plant !!!!! ???????? You will disappoint anyone who believes in Russia, you will push away the last allies, you will dig a hole for yourself, you probably do not love your people, your homeland !! ! ???????????????????? YOU WILL DESTROY THE WHOLE ORTHODOX SLAVIC WORLD !!!!!!!!!!!!! HOW DO YOU GET YOUR POSITIONS !!!!!!!!!! ???????????????? ???????? WHO ARE Rogozinchemezovserdyukov request WHERE ARE THEY COMING AND WHERE ARE THEY GOING ?????????????????? !!!! AND WHO IS KALASHNIKOV !!!!!!!!!!! fellow ! (I can imagine how painful it is for an old man to look at these "IT")
  • bubla5
    bubla5 1 November 2012 21: 30 New
    +1
    Anyway, with such a policy, there will be no changes, stable salary pricing is needed, the general one is so much and by 1 category so the difference should not be 1000 times, and probably all to no avail that they wrote about the plant 6 years ago, and in 2018 so will Russia, however.
  • Andrew Scott
    Andrew Scott 1 November 2012 21: 38 New
    +2
    Yes, what is the conversation about at all! ?? Allegedly, some stupid directors are ruining such a production ?? All this crap comes from the Kremlin!
  • pretorianec
    pretorianec 2 November 2012 16: 00 New
    0
    In short, it says that Mikhail Kalashnikov is personally dissatisfied with the state of affairs at Izhmash, that workers receive 6-9 thousand rubles, and that Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin is to blame for everything.

    Let's look at this lie in points.

    1. The creator of the legendary assault rifle Mikhail Kalashnikov is the same age as the Soviet government. He reached retirement age even under Brezhnev (!), And now he is 92 years old to the honored veteran. With all due respect to Mikhail Timofeevich's gray hairs: I strongly doubt that he has reliable information about the state of affairs at the enterprise, at which he has long been out of business.

    2. President of Udmurtia Alexander Volkov, who is now suspected of starting an information attack on Izhmash, is a good friend of the famous designer and regularly visits him on various solemn occasions:

    http://susanin.udm.ru/news/2012/05/09/382414

    3. Scans of the letter “driven to despair” by Izhevsk gunsmiths - the very scans that Naganov attached to his post - first appeared on Susanin, on a resource that is believed to belong to the president of the region:

    http://susanin.udm.ru/news/2012/10/30/392182

    Actually, they don’t scorch at Susanin at all when they directly write that, I quote, “the leadership of Udmurtia has a number of complaints against the current anti-crisis plant team”.

    4. Shy games with dates both in the letter and in the post of Naganov are very indicative. Neither there nor there is said what was going on at the plant a couple of years ago. In 2009, while the plant was managed by gentlemen friendly to the President of Udmurtia, the plant was stupidly going to bankrupt and close:

    http://lenta.ru/news/2009/09/21/izh/

    A plant swarming with parasites sitting on financial flows had accumulated so many debts by that time that there was not even enough money to pay salaries and taxes. They were going to completely stop the production of the Kalashnikov assault rifle:

    http://lenta.ru/news/2010/12/16/kalashnikovs/

    The president of Udmurtia Volkov then directly told the press that the financial condition of the plant is extremely deplorable, and that the entire rifle division will be closed at Izhmash.

    5. Now let's see how the man of Russian Technologies Maxim Kuzyuk has changed the situation at Izhmash over the past two years. Viper from gasket firms and other money-sucking structures was eliminated:

    http://expert.ru/2011/08/17/prikazano-obankrotit/

    The plant received a lot of new contracts for the supply of weapons, began to restore production, began to expand and - very importantly - began to work "in plus":

    http://lenta.ru/articles/2012/05/03/izhmash2/

    The pace of production at Izhmash is now only growing. In the first 8 months of 2012, it produced 11% more weapons than in the same period in 2011. By September, the annual production plan was completed by more than 70%. The volume of deliveries to the US market has grown.

    Production of machine tools and tools remains at the same level. It is expected that this year a batch of machine tools for an external consumer in the amount of sixty million rubles will be produced. For comparison, last year this figure was 47 million rubles. From 2009 to 2011, the revenue of the Izhevsk enterprise from the supply of machine tools increased by 66,3%:

    http://www.izhmash.ru/rus/news/231012.shtml

    6. The question is, what are Nagans and veterans dissatisfied with? The fact that with a dying plant cleared of corruption and started to develop?

    There is exactly one claim in the letter and in the post. As if some workers received 5 thousand rubles of salary and organized a rally on this occasion.

    Let’s look at this rally soberly.

    .

    http://fritzmorgen.livejournal.com/537313.html