In the Verkhovna Rada: the railway network of Ukraine is not so easy to disable

First Deputy Committee on Transport and Infrastructure of the Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine Yulia Klymenko announced the level of destruction of railways, which has already exceeded 40%.

Employees of Ukrzaliznytsia [the Ukrainian Railways state-owned enterprise] are working hard, constantly putting the railway infrastructure in order. For this reason, it must be said that the suspension of the work of the enterprise tomorrow or in the near future is not expected.

- said the politician.

At the same time, Klymenko added that, unlike energy facilities (nuclear power plants, hydroelectric power stations or thermal power plants), the potential of Ukrainian Railways is at a very high level, and therefore the country's railway network is not so easy to disable.

Recall that the missile strikes by the Russian Armed Forces on the objects of the critical infrastructure of Ukraine with high-precision weapons do not stop from October 10 of this year. All these actions were a response to the terrorist attack on the Crimean bridge, behind which, according to the Kremlin, are the Ukrainian special services. Attacks are not only thermal power plants and hydroelectric power plants throughout the country, but also objects of military administration and the defense industry, railway facilities, along which there is active military traffic.

After another large-scale attack by the RF Armed Forces on Ukrainian power grids on November 29, the head of Ukrenergo, Volodymyr Kudrytsky, announced that almost all hydroelectric power stations and thermal power plants in the country were de-energized. According to the Ukrainian authorities, the shortage of electricity in Ukraine that day reached about 30%.

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[DIM (a)]

Well, it's time to test the strength of these roads ...

[gsev]

Quote: DIM (a)

Well, it's time to test the strength of these roads ...

It is foolish to switch to strikes on the railways if Ukraine's energy supply has not been finished off. It seems to me that step-up transformers at nuclear power plants, thermal power plants and hydroelectric power plants have not even been destroyed yet. After their destruction, it is necessary to hit the step-down powerful transformers of large cities in order to complicate the supply of electricity from Europe. After that, when the electric locomotives get up, it is necessary to hit the oil refineries and chemical plants. and Only then on the objects of the railway. And even then it’s more profitable to hit not at the depot, bridges and canvas, but at the liquid fuel transshipment bases.

[Bolt cutter]

chemical plants

A second Bhopal will become real.

[Denis812]

Hitting the railroads is, of course, not hitting the rails, but hitting stations, junctions, depots with locomotives, and so on.
There is no point in hitting the "rail" itself. It will be restored in a few hours.

It's not stupid to switch.
Because the same transformers and generators are transported on the same railway.
Of course, if we are not talking about a generator for a country house :) But this is not our strategic goal. I would even say the opposite. If thousands of such individual generators are supplied to Ukraine, then it will be better for the NWO. Since they will burn fuel in vain and the sense for enterprises and other objects from them is slightly less than zero.
And such generators will not save from freezing cities.

[Pravodel]

The blow to the energy sector of Ukraine provides:
1. Disconnection of Ukraine from the flow of electricity from Europe and transfers non-destroyed nuclear power plants, thermal power plants, hydroelectric power plants to work in a dedicated area.
CHP, HPP cannot be completely disabled, because. some of them are stations for the own needs of nuclear power plants. Disconnection from a nuclear power plant can lead to an accident similar to Fukushima, so part of the thermal power plants and hydroelectric power plants keep working and do not collapse.
Shutting off the flow from Europe and switching to work in a dedicated area completely destroys the energy infrastructure of Ukraine, because. even when supplying power transformers for repair and restoration, which is extremely doubtful, such transformers are piece goods, not stored in warehouses, lifting and starting without their own needs - power supply from an external source, there is no source of primary energy - restoration and commissioning of the station after repair is not possible.
2. In Ukraine, all railways are electrified, so the disruption of the power industry also means the disruption of the railway infrastructure and the need to transfer the railway to diesel traction.
At the same time, the main questions are: how many working diesel locomotives are left in Ukraine, where to get fuel and how to pump fuel without electricity. In addition, the removal of the railway infrastructure simultaneously means the termination of dispatching and routing and the shutdown of all railway systems: turnouts, semaphores, etc. This means that even if the train left the station, whether it will reach another station, this is a big question, and whether another train will crash into it, this is also a question ...
So, putting Ukraine's power industry out of action is a correct and deliberate step.

[Vend]

Nothing. we will try, even if it is not easy

[Boniface]

Whose is that? Screw Geranki around the depot and supply substations! so that is all! the railway track is intact - but the paravoziki do not run around!

[Dynamo]

There are no recent reports of the use of Geraniums

[dmi.pris1]

What about strikes on the energy sector and the same piece of iron for four days is not heard. Are we reloading?

[DIM (a)]

Perhaps we are waiting for the shot targets to be patched up?

[Uprun]

We believe that almost everything is true, but until Ursulka or Borrelka gets burned.

[rotmistr60]

the potential of Ukrainian Railways is at a very high level, and therefore the country's railway network is not so easy to disable.

Well, they themselves are asking for it to be hit harder and the result was more painful.

[tralflot1832]

For starters, I would like to destroy the passenger letter train, along the Lviv-Kuev route, it would raise my spirits. After all, we can hit the passenger trains where the Armed Forces of Ukraine are traveling. Although this letter can go, clinging to ordinary passenger cars with ordinary Ukrainians hostages.

[Myths]

They go like that, it's scary without it, especially for mercenaries and Nazis.

[your1970]

Quote: tralflot1832

Although this letter can go, clinging to ordinary passenger cars with ordinary Ukrainians as hostages.

You understand perfectly...

[tralflot1832]

How is it formed, this composition, that is the question. Banging it when there are no hostages is not an option?

[your1970]

Quote: tralflot1832

How is it formed, this composition, that is the question. Banging it when there are no hostages is not an option?

An ordinary passenger train according to the schedule - a wagon of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, a wagon of a civilian ....

[Third district]

As long as the railways and bridges of Ukraine bring profit to the capitalist magnates, they will not be touched. It is no secret that the oligarchs have enterprises both in Russia and in Ukraine.

[VORON538]

Well, it’s clear, it’s understandable. It wasn’t the maydauns that were built, but the Soviet people.

[Paul Siebert]

Of course it's not easy!
If you hit her once every ten days...
Basically, what are pauses? An adequate repair team restores the track in a matter of hours! ..
Beat, beat and beat! Without pauses and stops! So that xoxlov's balls pop out!

[saigon]

If you hit more than once, then another question will arise, but how long will the rail and crosses and turnouts last?

[Michael]

Switch to diesel traction and instead of automation, you can use a flag semaphore, and manually translate the arrows. The throughput will decrease significantly, but if civil cargo and passenger transportation is stopped, then the traffic of military cargo can be maintained at a sufficient level.

[solar]

The work of the arrows and the semaphore is easily provided by backup generators, a lot of energy is not needed for this

[saigon]

A semaphore is a pole with signals, and there are no lights for you, either red or green, yellow, blue, or moon-white. And the semaphores themselves have not been around for a long time, just no more.

[solar]

I know but

In colloquial speech, railway traffic lights are also often called semaphores, which is categorically wrong from a technical point of view.

From a technical point of view, it is wrong, but it is widespread everywhere. If I were to write a scientific article for Gudok magazine, I would write differently.

and there are no lanterns either for you red or for you green and yellow and blue and moon-white

I don’t know white and other lunar ones, but about green ones ...

Singer Apina was not so wrong, do rail transport enthusiasts think?

[Michael]

Quote from solar

The work of the arrows and the semaphore is easily provided by backup generators, a lot of energy is not needed for this

And a back-up generator backup generator is needed. And uninterruptible power supplies. And there is an opportunity to move along the "cast iron" completely without electricity.

[saigon]

So it’s right and the key is to introduce the wand system and turn off the drive on the arrows and you can throw everything with a crowbar.
But if something heavy is applied to the necks of the stations and disable turnouts, crosses and hit the depot, then the question of how to go can arise.

[Michael]

Quote: saigon

But if something heavy is applied to the necks of the stations and disable turnouts, crosses and hit the depot, then the question of how to go can arise.

Probably only the heroism of civilian railway workers and railway troops, and the all-out strengthening of air defense. On the "Road of Victory" to Leningrad, they managed to drive trains under round-the-clock artillery fire.

[Alien From]

The road was built in the Union, so there really is a fortress there.

[saigon]

The principle of construction of railway tracks, in principle, does not depend on politics. But take the drawings, but just diagrams of railway bridges on the edge and along the hinged supports with missiles with a normal charge and a khan bridge.

[Petr_Koldunov]

In the Verkhovna Rada: the railway network of Ukraine is not so easy to disable

Well, do it yourself! After all, this is the Soviet, communist legacy! Everything connected with the USSR should be destroyed in Ukraine, it was you yourself who adopted such a law!
This means that they are simply obliged to liquidate their own railway network, except for the lines Lugansk-Dnepropetrovsk-Nikolaev, Kharkov-Poltava-Kamenets-Podolsky, Chernigov-Kyiv-Kovel (well, and several connecting branches between them) - built back in the Russian Empire.
Everything else was built for you by the communists. Please erase this shameful boil from the noble skin of the great ukroreikh!

[28st region]

No one intends to wage a rail war. Colonel Starinov also developed the principle of struggle, to knock out rolling stock - electric locomotives, diesel locomotives, steam locomotives.
And the railway is there but does not work

[Terenin]

Quote: 28st region

No one intends to wage a rail war. Colonel Starinov also developed the principle of struggle, to knock out rolling stock - electric locomotives, diesel locomotives, steam locomotives.
And the railway is there but does not work

During the Great Patriotic War, under the leadership of Ilya Yegorovich, 256 bridges were blown up and more than 12 thousand enemy echelons were derailed.

[28st region]

He was a sharp opponent of the "rail war", proposed to focus on the destruction of steam locomotives, which would bring more harm to the enemy and less after restoring

[Munhausen]

To do this, you need to study his work, think with your head, develop operations. which will save time and money. And so they fired rockets worth a billion, made a good fireworks display.

[Saboteur_Navy]

Very easy! One Poplar with a conventional warhead for each bridge across the Dnieper, and with a Poplar to bring down the Beskydy Tonel ... And that's it! No train message!

[Cat Alexandrovich]

Aha! That's just our bosses do not know how to do it!

[rocket757]

In the Verkhovna Rada: the railway network of Ukraine is not so easy to disable

. Is this an offer?

[faiver]

because the country's railway network is not so easy to disable

- of course, the USSR built the roads, not jumpers ....

[Horon]

almost all HPPs and TPPs are de-energized. According to the Ukrainian authorities, the shortage of electricity in Ukraine that day reached about 30%.

Strange, but I heard that dill supplied electricity abroad, but here's how:

almost all HPPs and TPPs are de-energized.

Is it possible to lose only 30% of the capacity? Electricity does not appear out of thin air, if the generators have stopped supplying it, then someone else must supply the electricity.

[Terenin]

In the Verkhovna Rada: the railway network of Ukraine is not so easy to disable

We'll still try

[Evgenijus]

In Soviet times, he traveled along the roads of the Ukrainian SSR as part of the guards of military echelons. Sometimes we stood for a long time at the stations, it was time for "excursions". I remember very well the giant stacks of reserve rails and sleepers on the sidings of almost all railway stations in Ukraine. With such stocks, hitting the rails with rockets is like waving a spear at a mill (there was such a hero in history). Vulnerable places of the railway are depots, bridges, transformer substations, as well as accumulations of echelons with fuel in the territories of stations. But the main goal is bridges. They are hard to restore.

[cat hippopotamus]

Here, of course, pinpoint missile strikes on railway roads are not very effective. To do this, you need to equip a couple of links, these are at least Tu-22 type bombers. And carry out carpet bombing of 500 kg. junction station bombs, then the result will be achieved. And to restore such an object even in a week will not work. Moreover, if such stations are hit in the main directions, then there will not be enough brigades for restoration and materials. Well, to monitor and, as they are repaired, carry out repeated bombardments. That's when Klymenko's optimism will disappear.

[Planem]

I agree that in order to destroy the targets of the transport infrastructure of the territory controlled by the Kyiv regime, first of all, carpet bombing should be used. This worked well even during World War II. This will quickly and effectively lead to the interruption of the supply and replenishment of the troops of the Kyiv regime.

[Planem]

The most important targets of Ukraine's critical infrastructure are, in fact, railway and other bridges across the Dnieper and other large rivers on the way to the NVO zone, large railway junctions again on the way to it, railway depots, tunnels, large motor transport enterprises. If they are destroyed or seriously damaged, then the supply and replenishment of the Bandera-fascist troops, as well as their transfer, will be interrupted or, in any case, very difficult. Of course, Ukrainian energy facilities are also important for the continuation of the war by the Kyiv regime, but to a much lesser extent than the most important objects of its transport infrastructure. If these objects are brought down, then the front of the Bandera-fascists will simply collapse in a month and a half. The question of why the RF Armed Forces are still weakly hitting transport infrastructure facilities under the control of the Kyiv regime remains a mystery. The main assumptions are some kind of agreement with certain political and other forces of the West or the corresponding lobbying of their interests in Ukraine and the West by Russian big businessmen and persons close to the President of Russia.

[Ulan.1812]

These are the questions many people have. The railroad carries goods in both directions.
So someone needs some products, some cargo from Ukraine to go to Europe.

[Ulan.1812]

It's just that no one really did it.
Of course, in the Ukrainian SSR there was one of the most extensive railway networks.
But no one calls for hitting on hauls, this is a useless exercise.
A few hours and restore the path.
But with regard to junction stations and other purposes, which has been discussed here many times, this is another matter.

[Munhausen]

1 An extensive network, knows a lot of arrows. The arrow is a very expensive, heavy and demanding product. Are they produced in Ukraine at all?
2 There are arrows in the necks of the stations. They are bottlenecks in terms of bandwidth limitation
3 It's a pity to spend money on an arrow? An integral part of the arrow is the switch drive. Without it, the translation of the arrow can only be done by hand.
4 Communication lines between stations are repeatedly duplicated. Breaking cables on the hauls is an empty undertaking.
Conclusion. If desired, it is quite easy to arrange a logistical hell with the existing range of ammunition. But is there such a desire?

[Ulan.1812]

Quote from Munhausen

1 An extensive network, knows a lot of arrows. The arrow is a very expensive, heavy and demanding product. Are they produced in Ukraine at all?
2 There are arrows in the necks of the stations. They are bottlenecks in terms of bandwidth limitation
3 It's a pity to spend money on an arrow? An integral part of the arrow is the switch drive. Without it, the translation of the arrow can only be done by hand.
4 Communication lines between stations are repeatedly duplicated. Breaking cables on the hauls is an empty undertaking.
Conclusion. If desired, it is quite easy to arrange a logistical hell with the existing range of ammunition. But is there such a desire?

So I’m talking about it that there’s no point in hammering along the hauls, but at the junction stations where there are a lot of arrows. Moreover, the arrows are different right, left of different curvature.
Of course, each major station has a small supply, but it is limited and it is problematic to replenish it quickly. In general, transportation can be greatly complicated. We have already talked about the SCB. Hitting the control rooms is also good.

[Munhausen]

There is such a thing as dispatch centralization. Allows you to automate the control of train traffic. Without it, all work on train traffic control is transferred to manual mode. Several dozen undermined relays will greatly reduce the throughput.
In general, it would be much better for the military to turn to the railway workers before hammering with their kilotons. They can advise this, which will allow them to lay the piece of iron with Geraniums, without the use of expensive cruise missiles.

[Aleprok]

railway tracks are really quickly restored, unlike electrical substations and depots ...

[Fangaro]

Russia is trying to minimize damage to civilian facilities, to which the Russian Defense Ministry unconditionally classifies rail traffic.
According to the data available to the Russian Ministry of Defense, the Armed Forces of Ukraine do not use rail transport for equipment, weapons and personnel, so as not to endanger civilians and civilian cargo transportation.
Orally, one of the high-ranking officials of Ukrzaliznytsia said that he understands why transportation by rail is still safe ... Either we, I hope, or you, will have to carry a lot more. Military commissar, raw materials, grain... It doesn't matter. We and you will find people, but everyone needs a railway.