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NATO is going to start the production of "Soviet" ammunition for the Armed Forces of Ukraine on its territory

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NATO is going to start the production of "Soviet" ammunition for the Armed Forces of Ukraine on its territory

The countries of the North Atlantic Alliance expect in the near future to begin production on their territories of ammunition of the "Soviet" caliber, which will then be supplied for the needs of the Ukrainian armed forces. Earlier this idea was announced by NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg.


Then the head of the US State Department, Anthony Blinken, promised to invest in the production of this type of ammunition. This was reported by CNN. According to the chief of American diplomacy, all options are being considered to provide Ukraine with weapons.

The alliance has such production capabilities. In particular, even during the existence of the Warsaw Pact in a number of Eastern European countries were built weapons factories that were designed to produce ammunition of the "Soviet" caliber. They were located, including in Bulgaria and on the territory of present-day Slovakia (then Czechoslovakia). Actually, these enterprises will now be the main calculation of the NATO leadership.

Earlier, NATO considered the option of gradually replacing Soviet artillery pieces in Ukraine with Western ones. But here, too, the West miscalculated: Ukraine simply needs a huge amount of weapons and ammunition, the Western countries themselves do not have such stocks and cannot transfer them to Kyiv.

Accordingly, there is a need to return to the production of such ammunition that could be used for Soviet and Russian weapons. As you can see, even in the military sphere, the “decommunization” proclaimed by the Kyiv regime turns out to be a complete failure: what would the Armed Forces of Ukraine be fighting now if it were not for the huge stocks of Soviet weapons, including in neighboring countries of Eastern Europe, as well as the military and weapons infrastructure created under the USSR ?
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    1. Corrosion inhibitor
      Corrosion inhibitor 1 December 2022 09: 07
      -5
      And we kick them in the face with a teapot lol (quote) ... and will not produce and supply.

      Where have you gone! I know more quotes! ))
      Here - Biden sits on the bench, and guards the three-line:
      ".. So many grandmas and a woman! - and it doesn't come out ... nothing!" laughing
      1. Vladimir Postnikov
        Vladimir Postnikov 1 December 2022 11: 31
        0
        Quote: Corrosion_Inhibitor
        And we kick them in the face with a teapot

        Here is a worthy muzzle, and not one. And the kettle, as it were, is, if not yet about ... whether (which are polymers). AND...? What's next? Is the gut thin? Trampolines, trampolines ... Some kind of troublemaker threatened, threatened .... Now a disguised ninja is running around with a tray, trying to suck in all sorts of small things. That's all that's left of the troublemaker. But his ideas are alive: "we would give them if they caught up with us."
        1. Corrosion inhibitor
          Corrosion inhibitor 1 December 2022 11: 45
          0
          Well said.
          More precisely, it's good that they said - they could not resist, and now there is a name. Next, we'll see. Who is what, and who is what.
          Until we meet again on the air.
  2. oleg-nekrasov-19
    oleg-nekrasov-19 1 December 2022 08: 55
    0
    Quote: oleg-nekrasov-19
    The countries of the North Atlantic Alliance expect in the near future to begin production on their territories of ammunition of the "Soviet" caliber, which will then be supplied for the needs of the Ukrainian armed forces.

    And what 155 mm can no longer be completed? wink Still, they would create production facilities for the production of personnel in the Armed Forces of Ukraine.
    1. FoBoss_VM
      FoBoss_VM 1 December 2022 09: 05
      +2
      This is already being done in Europe by Ukrainian nannies from among the rabies. True, the Poles are already moaning, they write an unprecedented increase in the incidence of HIV since March 2022. I think in other countries such as Germany and the UK, the situation is no better. Khokhlushkas are working out according to the full program of production of reproduction of the Armed Forces of Ukraine wassat
    2. Plate
      Plate 1 December 2022 09: 33
      +1
      The production cycle of new soldiers is too long: 20-25 years. Within the framework of one conflict, it is useless to do this.
      1. Sergey3
        Sergey3 1 December 2022 20: 57
        +1
        And here you are very deeply mistaken, there is a device for the reproduction of soldiers of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and it is called Western media, pouring information slop directly into the brains of the townsfolk! If the clergy have gone crazy, like the Pope, what can we say about ordinary inhabitants?
        1. Plate
          Plate 1 December 2022 21: 24
          0
          So this is not production, this is called the collection of strangers.
    3. bayard
      bayard 2 December 2022 03: 32
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      Quote: oleg-nekrasov-19
      And what 155 mm can no longer be completed?

      Artillery cannot be completed - NATO guns are shot too quickly. And the APU still has a lot of Soviet guns - there are no shells. So it is now easier for them to set up the production of Soviet-style shells and caliber . And they (NATO) will immediately feel better.
      Quote: oleg-nekrasov-19
      Still, they would create production facilities for the production of personnel in the Armed Forces of Ukraine.

      So they have long put such production (not from scratch - from blanks) on a grand scale - all NATO APUs are trained at their bases and training centers, producing trained fighters from blanks.
      Unfortunately, this NATO was taken seriously for the war, and it's time to end the fight with laziness and eccentricities.
  3. Corrosion inhibitor
    Corrosion inhibitor 1 December 2022 08: 56
    -6
    NATO is going to start the production of "Soviet" ammunition for the Armed Forces of Ukraine on its territory

    This is a splash of pure water. NATO countries must suffer. You can start from Poland.
    You need to test nuclear weapons ... in the Baltic Sea ... exclusively, peaceful, but when the wind blows in their direction smile
    Let the island of Gogland become ... no one's.
  4. tralflot1832
    tralflot1832 1 December 2022 08: 56
    +1
    Of course, there are enterprises, but they also had effective managers! Why did the plant come from the USSR? The legacy of communism is machines for scrap, we are NATO. You can say anything. For example: The winter will be warm and with little snow!
    1. vadimtt
      vadimtt 1 December 2022 09: 04
      +2
      But no, in the same Bulgaria, cartridges are perfectly and massively riveted for the entire Soviet rifle, shells up to 152 and mines up to 120. Maybe rockets under Grad (but I'm not sure here).
      1. tralflot1832
        tralflot1832 1 December 2022 09: 06
        0
        Not enough in Bulgaria, these factories exploded?
        1. vadimtt
          vadimtt 1 December 2022 09: 11
          +1
          Seems so profitable that they are quickly restored.
      2. Corrosion inhibitor
        Corrosion inhibitor 1 December 2022 09: 31
        +1
        Here, let them continue to rivet in Bulgaria, as before. Silly little country Bulgaria... can disappear from the world map very quickly. Export is easily adjusted if necessary.
    2. Asad
      Asad 1 December 2022 09: 05
      +1
      If Soviet-caliber shells are produced, then there must be guns for this caliber. And they seem to end at the edge.
      1. vadimtt
        vadimtt 1 December 2022 09: 13
        +1
        There are many buyers around the world for these calibers. But Ukraine, yes, is clearly the main consumer now.

        PS: By the way, maybe they supply something to us? Varna-Novorossiysk easily laughing
        1. Hey
          Hey 1 December 2022 10: 14
          0
          By the way, maybe they supply something to us? Varna-Novorossiysk easily

          It’s not better then Varna-Mariupol, it’s getting closer and closer.
      2. Mavrikiy
        Mavrikiy 1 December 2022 09: 14
        -2
        Quote: ASAD
        If Soviet-caliber shells are produced, then there must be guns for this caliber. And they seem to end at the edge.

        Well, at the front they are disposed of ..... And warehouses, in storage with and without conservation ... but buried in farms, poultry drowned in whirlpools ....
      3. orionvitt
        orionvitt 1 December 2022 10: 07
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        Quote: ASAD
        there should be guns for this caliber

        That's right. How many shells do not produce, but weapons and equipment are not eternal. Wear, especially in conditions of intense hostilities, is very fast. So, either together with ammunition, produce the entire line of weapons (which they really won’t pull), otherwise, this is a temporary measure.
    3. oleg-nekrasov-19
      oleg-nekrasov-19 1 December 2022 09: 46
      +1
      The question here is not how many enterprises they have for the manufacture and production of "Soviet-style" ammunition, but the question is in the very message from NATO - "our ammunition is running out and all these deliveries cannot go on indefinitely, we are starting to slowly turn off" because the subdex is exactly like that read. 404 is drained, not immediately, not quickly, but they are drained.
      1. voyaka uh
        voyaka uh 1 December 2022 11: 13
        +2
        Ukraine uses both NATO and Russian calibers.
        NATO regularly throw up, Russian ones are exhausted. But howitzers 152 and 122 remained.
        In November, the Ukrainians began production of caliber 152 at home. But it obviously won't be enough.

        In a few months, "shell hunger" will begin on both warring sides. The Russian army has already begun to save. From 10000 a day I reduced it to 2-4 thousand a day.
        Ukraine saves constantly, but even that is not enough.
  5. Eva Star
    Eva Star 1 December 2022 08: 59
    -6
    No wonder the USSR collapsed. Stupid leaders have set up arms factories in openly hostile territories. In fact, all factories were supposed to be located in Siberia. It is relatively far from the imaginary enemy and the security zone is easy to provide.
    1. Asad
      Asad 1 December 2022 09: 02
      0
      I have no exact information, but in Novosibirsk there is little left of the former might of the defense. The fingers of one hand are enough.
    2. Sergey Aleksandrovich
      Sergey Aleksandrovich 1 December 2022 09: 07
      +2
      The leaders weren't dumb, you just didn't know the ideas they were driving.
    3. Mavrikiy
      Mavrikiy 1 December 2022 09: 35
      +1
      Quote from Eva Star
      In fact, all factories were supposed to be located in Siberia. This is relatively far from the conditional enemy
      You will forgive them, but you yourself are to blame for why you didn’t break through bright ideas, didn’t convey them, didn’t implement them? Factories are built where there is energy and people live. Where is the raw material. Donbass is the cradle of Russian metallurgy. foolCompare the railway network of Ukraine and the rest of Russia. In terms of the intensity of the network, only the Moscow region is approaching. And this is not a whim, but a necessity, based on the volume of transportation. Hundreds of millions of tons of ore, coal, chemicals, timber transported to provide technological processes. fool Europe has developed intensively solely due to the small length of railway and water transport. fool Weld steel in Ukraine, roll it, forge it, conserve it and lead it across the country to Siberia, under the guns of either the Japanese, or the Amers, or the Chinese? fool And the results of chips, marriage, and products, back to the European part.. fool The afterthought is nice, I'm the smartest. fool
      "Listen to you, this is how a gang of losers operated in history" (Where is this from?)
  6. Mascot
    Mascot 1 December 2022 08: 59
    -2
    At this rate, Germany will soon switch to Russian railroad gauge.
  7. vadimtt
    vadimtt 1 December 2022 09: 00
    +1
    The worst thing they can do. For example, in Bulgaria, the richest cities will be surrounded by military factories. There Sofia will greatly envy the "provincials".
  8. Bogalex
    Bogalex 1 December 2022 09: 02
    +8
    Abstract of the article:
    1. Kiev needs 152-mm shells.
    2. NATO has the ability to produce them.
    3. A decision was made to restore the corresponding capacities in Slovakia and Bulgaria, since they had previously produced them in commercial quantities.
    4. Attention, output:
    “decommunization” proclaimed by the Kyiv regime turns out to be a complete failure

    I have questions about the adequacy of the author. Am I the only one?
    1. Alexander 3
      Alexander 3 1 December 2022 09: 45
      0
      Decommunization is carried out not only in Ukraine, but also in almost all countries of the former USSR, except for Belarus. Well, who will say now that this is not the third world war? We are at war with all of NATO. Production, you see, they will organize. these shells would not kill our citizens. Shoot down satellites that spy on us and transmit information to banderlogs.
    2. stankow
      stankow 4 December 2022 18: 32
      0
      There is nothing to "restore" in Bulgaria. Plants of BP, as they worked, are still working. There has never been a decline in production. The Yankees buy, give to the Poles, and they send their own old ones from warehouses to Ukraine. 155 mm is also produced, there are also orders. Here is such a scheme.
  9. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 1 December 2022 09: 02
    +2
    The alliance has such production capabilities ... in a number of countries in Eastern Europe, weapons factories were built, which were designed to produce ammunition of the "Soviet" caliber.
    With the caliber, it is clear that there are (can be restored) opportunities for firing shells of 122 and 152 mm caliber. What about gunpowder? Under the "Soviet" gun, ammunition with "Soviet" gunpowder, or similar, is also needed. Otherwise, the performance characteristics of the guns and the wear of the gun barrel will not correspond to the norm. While the Americans are ready for anything, incl. to force the "allies" to move, if only weapons and military equipment were delivered to Ukraine regularly. The declared war to the last Ukrainian must continue at any cost and at any cost.
    1. Sergey Aleksandrovich
      Sergey Aleksandrovich 1 December 2022 09: 48
      +1
      Differences in powder quality can be adjusted by the amount of charge. But it's not that. It is unlikely that they will focus on shells, rather they will make ammunition for multiple launch rocket systems.
    2. stankow
      stankow 4 December 2022 18: 37
      0
      And gunpowder, and fuses, and shells - strictly according to Soviet standards. Nobody has complained yet.
  10. KCA
    KCA 1 December 2022 09: 06
    +2
    And how many guns with a caliber of 122 and 152mm were left near the outskirts? Lancet operators are interested in...
    1. oleg-nekrasov-19
      oleg-nekrasov-19 1 December 2022 09: 50
      0
      Guns are not the main thing, the main thing is to indicate to the Ukrainian "partners" the beginning of the end of NATO caliber deliveries. Well, all good things come to an end sometime, and the help of Western "partners" ends even faster. wassat
      1. KCA
        KCA 1 December 2022 10: 04
        +3
        Yes, they have a complete tear with 155mm, the caliber is the same and let's shove a variety of shells, that in the Republic of Kazakhstan or the USA, or in the geyrop there can be different gunpowder, different shells, no one cares, they put everything in a row, like garbage in burning barrels on the streets Kyiv. The dancing Indians disowned the M777, well, or whatever they refused in their many beliefs, although the Americans licked them from heels to tops, but several accidents during testing of the Indians turned to hell, disposable guns for landing operations from steel, titanium and AMG, dumped from a helicopter, shot back and abandoned, and the outskirts play with them in a positional war
        1. oleg-nekrasov-19
          oleg-nekrasov-19 1 December 2022 10: 09
          0
          Well, most likely the inhabitants of the outskirts will soon stop playing positional wars and begin to prepare for their favorite pastime - redeployment into boilers along with Western weapons. It's my personal opinion.
          1. KCA
            KCA 1 December 2022 10: 24
            +2
            Yes, and they don’t give them weapons, so, drop by drop on their noses, so that they can fire at civilians, what is a dozen Hymars, Caesars or other nonsense on the scale of the conflict? The air defense of the 50s directly "Daggers" cuts into beef stroganoff, the RF Ministry of Defense sobs, and Cheetahs are generally super air defense, only Shilka, especially after modernization, is an order of magnitude better. Nothing about deliveries, it’s neither cold nor hot for the troops, only civilians suffer, but it won’t work to scare, they can only increase the number of volunteers
            1. oleg-nekrasov-19
              oleg-nekrasov-19 1 December 2022 10: 39
              0
              Here I completely agree with you, when the RF Armed Forces need to strike at predetermined targets, they will strike with 100% accuracy. Using the tactics of active defense, the Russian General Staff revealed the enemy’s plan in almost all areas of the NMD, destroying suitable reserves along the way. We are waiting for the development of events, I think December, starting from the middle, will be full of them.
              1. KCA
                KCA 1 December 2022 11: 06
                +1
                Yes, I, as a sofa expert, think that the goal at this stage is not to break the fray on the outskirts, but to show that Russia has teeth, removing Kyiv from the map is enough for the SU-24M, SU-34 from Crimea and SU-30SM from Krymsk, during an attack flowers and medical air defense devices of the outskirts are simply nothing, and then there are 12 tons of cast iron from each SU-24, Dresden will seem like a good fairy tale, it takes 10 minutes to level Kyiv with sea level, so I’m waiting for Zircon to fly where it needs to, while I saw only hitting the target with a blank on the "Star"
                1. oleg-nekrasov-19
                  oleg-nekrasov-19 1 December 2022 11: 14
                  0
                  I think the time will come and "Zircon" will be tested at some kind of substation in Western Ukraine. .
                  1. KCA
                    KCA 1 December 2022 11: 46
                    +1
                    "Zircon" and "Dagger" for especially important purposes, buried bunkers or aircraft carriers, everything that flies to the substation is enough, just if a miracle does not break through oil pipes, then hinged insulators, contacts and power lines will be demolished, again repairmen, again X-555 and flowers, and give money again
  11. Ryaruav
    Ryaruav 1 December 2022 09: 07
    0
    This is not a big plus, it is the possibility of using captured ammunition
  12. Tagan
    Tagan 1 December 2022 09: 08
    0
    Quote: oleg-nekrasov-19

    And what 155 mm can no longer be completed? wink

    Yes, you can see with what they shoot from, some kind of opportunity happened))
  13. Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy 1 December 2022 09: 08
    0
    NATO is going to start production "Soviet" ammunition for the Armed Forces on its territory
    recourse Yes, yes, from the beginning for the Armed Forces of Ukraine, then you will like it for the sebe. feel
  14. Tagan
    Tagan 1 December 2022 09: 18
    -3
    Quote: Bogalex
    Abstract of the article:
    1. Kiev needs 152-mm shells.
    2. NATO has the ability to produce them.
    3. A decision was made to restore the corresponding capacities in Slovakia and Bulgaria, since they had previously produced them in commercial quantities.
    4. Attention, output:
    “decommunization” proclaimed by the Kyiv regime turns out to be a complete failure

    I have questions about the adequacy of the author. Am I the only one?

    NATO rather has intentions for their production. What they used to produce there and in what quantities has nothing to do with reality. We need many times more ammunition and even yesterday. And it seems that all this fuss is not from a good life. When all this will spin at an acceptable pace, no one knows.
  15. Nikolay Malyugin
    Nikolay Malyugin 1 December 2022 09: 19
    0
    But if they had not left so many weapons in Europe, what would they have done?
  16. Uprun
    Uprun 1 December 2022 09: 22
    0
    How much of the Soviet remains on the outskirts? Well, they will arrange the release of shells, and will you also start rolling barrels of this caliber? Trunks, as you know, have a resource. If on "gifts" they shoot a resource in a week, then from their own they shot it a long time ago.
    Hype caught on the news.
  17. Amateur
    Amateur 1 December 2022 09: 29
    0
    They were located, including in Bulgaria and on the territory of present-day Slovakia (then Czechoslovakia).

    Did they keep the technological equipment, measuring templates and technological maps for the production of Soviet caliber ammunition that they no longer needed for 31 years? Especially in the presence of warehouses clogged with ammunition, abandoned by Gorbachev's army and corrupt generals while fleeing from Eastern Europe?
    1. stankow
      stankow 4 December 2022 18: 49
      +1
      But how? Production never stopped. In the world, Soviet weapons are the sea, and the wars did not stop for a day. And they all demanded a BP and a rifleman. Bulgaria exported up to one billion dollars a year.
  18. Romanenko
    Romanenko 1 December 2022 09: 30
    0
    So let them immediately switch to our calibers, otherwise they already have a mess with logistics there
  19. TermNachTer
    TermNachTer 1 December 2022 10: 14
    0
    And what's the point? Rebuild production for a different caliber, and what to do later, when the war is over - rebuild again? And so, ad infinitum? So the bourgeois - they are greedy, they will not go for this.
    1. stankow
      stankow 6 December 2022 09: 32
      0
      Production is not tied to any caliber. Dozens of calibers are produced. 7,62, 9, 40, 30, 23, 82, 100, 120, 115, 125, 122, 152, 155 mm. Ordered a batch, produced, shipped.
      1. TermNachTer
        TermNachTer 6 December 2022 19: 16
        0
        Do you work in a factory? Do you understand what we are talking about? How complicated the process is, which includes casting, machining, equipment, etc. If everything were so simple, Ukraine would have established this process a long time ago, but somehow it doesn’t work out.
        1. stankow
          stankow 7 December 2022 00: 00
          0
          I don't work in a factory, but I'm an engineer. In topic. You can believe me, I do not want to contradict you, but so that you have true information.
  20. Viktor Sergeev
    Viktor Sergeev 1 December 2022 11: 42
    0
    Well, yes, it's so simple, took and produced. Who will pay for this banquet?
    1. stankow
      stankow 4 December 2022 18: 50
      +1
      USA pay

      ....................................
      1. Viktor Sergeev
        Viktor Sergeev 6 December 2022 08: 56
        0
        Yes, that’s nothing, they don’t have so much money, and they won’t invest in the work of EU factories. But everyone understands the main thing, well, he invested, recruited workers, and the war will not last forever, and then what to do with it?
        1. stankow
          stankow 6 December 2022 09: 27
          0
          There is no need to invest, the backwaters work, moreover, with a profit. Never stopped. Pay and take.
  21. iouris
    iouris 1 December 2022 12: 03
    0
    This is impossible without the permission of Rostec and certification under WTO rules. Product safety first!
    1. stankow
      stankow 6 December 2022 09: 28
      0
      Issues with licenses have long been settled. From safety standards, according to national rules. The WTO has nothing to do with it.