A fragment of the speech of the head of the European Commission with data on Ukrainian losses was cut out on the official resources of the European Union

Rigid censorship manifests itself in the European Union. It concerns not only the mass media, but also high-ranking officials.

Today, the head of the European Commission, Ursula von der Leyen, commenting on the conflict in Ukraine, named the approximate number of losses of the Ukrainian side in this conflict. According to her, the Ukrainian troops lost at least 100 thousand people. The corresponding video was posted in various official accounts of the European Union.

However, after some time, users drew attention to the editing of publications. It turned out that the fragment of von der Leyen's speech, where she talks about Ukrainian losses, was simply cut out. After that, the video was republished - in a stripped down version. It turned out that the head of the EC did not name any figures on the losses of Ukrainian troops.

Ukrainian journalists turned to Zelensky's office with a request to comment on the situation and name the number of dead, wounded and missing servicemen of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, the National Guard and other law enforcement agencies and departments.

The press secretary of the office of the Ukrainian president, S. Nikiforov, said that "such information can only be voiced by the Commander-in-Chief of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, the Minister of Defense and the President."

Nikiforov:

This is because loss information is sensitive.

Recall that earlier in the Western media it was said that by the beginning of November, the total losses of Ukrainian troops since February 24, 2022 amounted to at least 174 thousand military personnel. This is three-quarters of the Ukrainian army at the time of the start of the Russian special military operation.

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[opposite28]

However, after some time, users drew attention to the editing of publications. It turned out that the fragment of von der Leyen's speech, where she talks about Ukrainian losses, was simply cut out. After that, the video was republished - in a stripped down version. It turned out that the head of the EC did not name any figures on the losses of Ukrainian troops.

While the European audience is eating cabbage, nothing should interfere with the promotion of "cabbage" from the US through Ukraine to the EU and back to the US with an increased percentage of nutrients.

[neworange88]

Under the definition of at least 100 thousand, all figures that are above 100 thousand are cunning. No matter how they lied, they didn’t tell the truth, but only part of the truth was told in a context that was beneficial for themselves. 400 thousand, after all, also fall under the definition of not less than 100 thousand. And then this half-truth was censored so as not to burn the office.

[Smoker]

The freedom of the media, which was advocated in the West, is interpreted in this way ... - I want to publish, I want to cut it out, I want to stage a fabrication, rig it, show one picture, and another semantic load ..... Western values, you know !!!

[neworange88]

They just didn’t say a little whose freedom they mean by the definition of freedom of the media. They understand their freedom by this definition, that is, when

I want to publish, I want to cut ...

For them, it's freedom of the media.

[Berkut752]

Smoker, freedom of the media in the West, these are the next Wishlist, and this picker is just a mouthpiece for the media

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: Smoker

The freedom of the media, which was advocated in the West, is interpreted in this way ... - I want to publish, I want to cut it out, I want to stage a fabrication, rig it, show one picture, and another semantic load ..... Western values, you know !!!

It's not about "freedom of the media" and not about "Western values", it's about militant propaganda. We also cannot talk about losses, and rightly so. Censorship in the Western media on war issues suggests that the West is in a state of undeclared war with us.
And in itself, censorship during the war is a normal and quite reasonable thing.

[Letun]

Quote: Smoker

The freedom of the media, which was advocated in the West, is interpreted in this way ... - I want to publish, I want to cut it out, I want to stage a fabrication, rig it, show one picture, and another semantic load ..... Western values, you know !!!

That's the thing in Russia! From December 1, they shut up the mouths of all military officers and vone bloggers! But this is different ... Oh, it’s not about those that you need to talk like that ...

[Denis812]

Wait, that is, exactly the same restrictions work in the free Western press as in the press of bloody Mordor?
That is, Western journalists are subject to the same censorship as the downtrodden state media of the Kremlin?
That is, the information given by the Western media is just as distorted as what they say on Vesti RU and other channels of the Russian Federation?
That is, there is no difference between Kremlin propaganda and information from the most honest Reuters and Bloomberg and CNN???

What a twist...

[seregatara1969]

this is democracy, we want to say we want to cut! and no one tells them

[opposite28]

The informational life of the average European inhabitant is hard and unsightly.

[neworange88]

Quote: oppozite28

The informational life of the average European inhabitant is hard and unsightly.

An average gynecologist at the head of the European Commission, stubbornly peering into the European future. Her professional skills are very suitable for this. The future of the EU is exactly the same as she used to see in practice as a gynecologist.

[Aerodrome]

Today, the head of the European Commission, Ursula von der Leyen, commenting on the conflict in Ukraine, named the approximate number of losses of the Ukrainian side in this conflict. According to her, Ukrainian troops lost at least 100 thousand

in fact, no one knows...so...about.

[neworange88]

Well, plus or minus the numbers are known. Whoever seeks will always find. Quotes.

Quote from: neworange88

Quote: Gekki66

Well, half a million is too much, of course, but Ursula can be doubled. I think so! (With)

No, not too much.

LOSS: 400 thousand
Foreign experts from OSINT (Open source intelligence) called terrible figures for the loss of Ukraine during the entire period of the special operation.
Irretrievable losses: 400 thousand people (APU, mercenaries, therodefense)
Killed: 387 thousand people
Mercenary losses only: 54 thousand
Mercenaries killed: 31 thousand
The statistics did not include volunteer units.
We also recall that the 4th wave of mobilization is now beginning in Ukraine.
OSINT made this statement based on an analysis of information from open sources: extracts from mortuaries, obituaries, data from funeral agencies, messages from the radio exchange of the military of the Armed Forces of Ukraine.

https://t.me/voenndelo/765

The Armed Forces of Ukraine, mercenaries and territorial defense have lost about 400 thousand people over the entire period of the NMD. Such data are provided by OSINT specialists based on the study and analysis of information from open sources. The latter includes information from funeral agencies, data from the radio exchange of the Ukrainian military, extracts from morgues and obituaries. It is specified that the number of killed military of the Armed Forces of Ukraine (including the defense) and mercenaries is 387 thousand. "Soldiers of Fortune" from Romania, Poland and the Baltic countries lost 54 soldiers in battle, among them 31240 were killed. Also, in the summer of 2022, the former deputy head of the US European Command, Lieutenant General Stephen Twitty, stated that the losses of the Armed Forces of Ukraine could be more than 200 thousand soldiers. He stressed that a huge number of military personnel fell out of sight of American curators and no one can say where these military personnel are now.

https://yakutskgo.ru/forum/komuza/osint-poteri-vsu-za-vse-vremya-provedeniya-svo-uzhe-sostavili-bolee-400-tysyach-chelovek/

Until mid-May, I had a source in the General Staff of Ukraine, who gave me data on the real losses of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and the National Guard (apparently, he was covered during the next strike), at that time the total losses of Ukraine reached 60 thousand people "

“The loss of people was not considered in order to complete the combat mission. At one time, a death conveyor was organized in the steppe in the Kherson region. The Ukrainian side managed to break through the narrow gut, which was shot through by our artillery. The losses there were quite high,” Zvinchuk said.

https://news-front.info/2022/11/28/konvejer-smerti-zvinchuk-ocenil-poteri-vsu/

Quote: Alex777

The other day I read that the soldiers' mothers of Ukraine are looking for about 300 missing servicemen of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. If they are added to the gynecologist's data, then the resulting numbers will coincide with the OSINT data.

[Vitaly gusin]

Quote from: neworange88

Well, plus or minus the numbers are known. Whoever seeks will always find.

You are right.
"Many thanks to those who pointed out the inaccuracy regarding the figures in a previous version of this video," EC spokeswoman Dana Spinant tweeted. "The estimation used, from external sources, should have referred to casualties, ie, both killed and injured"
“Many thanks to those who pointed out the inaccuracy of the numbers in the previous version of this video,” EC spokeswoman Dana Spinant tweeted. "The estimate used from external sources had to refer to casualties, i.e. both killed and wounded."
https://apa.az/en/europe/ec-lends-clarity-to-ursula-von-der-leyens-statement-about-ukraines-losses-390712
There is a war going on and who will tell you the truth.
If you hide losses, there will be one figure, in order to receive compensation, there will be another figure.

[opposite28]

An average gynecologist at the head of the European Commission, stubbornly peering into the European future. Her professional skills are very suitable for this. The future of the EU is exactly the same as she used to see in practice as a gynecologist.

But even more bewildering, I would say even more RESENTATION is that the skills and knowledge gained in obtaining a specialization related to the study and observation of women's health are used by those persons who are already there and are trying with all their might to get out of there, so to speak, a hole behind which the hole is looking to get out of the hole because it is in the hole itself (a painting by Malevich in a painting by Malevich), but as always, Jews, Russian and Russian Jews will be to blame for everything. Dementia in gynecology or gynecology in dementia science has yet to unravel...

[private person]

They are cunning. No matter how they lied, they didn’t tell the truth, but only part of the truth was told in a context that was beneficial for themselves

Shoigu announced the losses of the APU for September - 50 thousand killed and 60 thousand wounded.

[Zakirov Damir]

Quote: private person

They are cunning. No matter how they lied, they didn’t tell the truth, but only part of the truth was told in a context that was beneficial for themselves

Shoigu announced the losses of the APU for September - 50 thousand killed and 60 thousand wounded.

Zaluzhny, 4 months later, on July 1, 2022, announced the data of 72 thousand dead and 42 thousand disabled. Another 5 months have passed since July 1, 2022.
If we divide the dead by 127 days and multiply by 280 days (30.11.2022/XNUMX/XNUMX), we get:
(72/000) * 127 = 280.

If we compare 159 thousand and the 174 thousand indicated in the article, then it is very close.
174 thousand - this is the loss of the dead, those who died from wounds in hospitals, the missing of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, the national battalions, the terrorist defense and mercenaries.
At the same time, the number of disabled people, at the rate of two deaths per one, is about 87 thousand.

Total irrevocable - dead and disabled - 260 thousand people.


Who should I trust, Shoigu or Zaluzny?

[private person]

Who should I trust, Shoigu or Zaluzny?

And where do you live ? Who is your Minister of Defense? I'm in Russia, where are you? 100 thousand is still something.

[Zakirov Damir]

Quote: private person

Who should I trust, Shoigu or Zaluzny?

Of course Zaluchny! His data is as of July 1, 2022.
And here Shoigu?

[zloybond]

Things would have gone even more fun if our media would have hyped a remote piece of speech towards the West. Because for them it's just stuffing without reference to the video. I tried to throw the topic into the news - the people began to boil - but without reference - an empty place. Need an invoice. And so yes - it throws up the Western audience.

[DymOk_v_dYmke]

Quote from: neworange88

The definition of at least 100 thousand includes all figures that are higher than 100 thousand.

The note distorts the meaning of what was said.
Ursula said "over 100 died Ukrainian officers
and this fundamentally changes the meaning.
At the second minute, you can hear the cut piece:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y96l-qIdd0E

[rotmistr60]

a fragment of von der Leyen's speech, where she talks about Ukrainian losses, was simply cut out

Is anyone surprised? Why should a European layman know about the number of losses of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, when the exact number of those killed and wounded is not known even in Ukraine. The layman will immediately have a question, why and why do we spend such money on Ukraine, which turns out not to win and, moreover, suffers heavy losses? And this despite the fact that Ursula provided a clearly underestimated figure.

[Zoldat_A]

Quote: rotmistr60

Is anyone surprised? Why should a European layman know about the number of losses of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, when the exact number of those killed and wounded is not known even in Ukraine. The layman will immediately have a question, why and why do we spend such money on Ukraine, which turns out not to win and, moreover, suffers heavy losses?

All my life I have been far from any television and video effects, an absolutely different profession, but I watch foreign old films a lot.

In connection with this idea.
Why don't they duplicate Ursula's speech? Fragments. Full duplication. Replace "Ukraine's losses" with "Russia's losses" and "100 thousand" with "10 million". Then the European layman will not be ashamed to show the speech.

Py.Sy. Due to the fact that I am enraged by the simulated, unnatural emotions of our dubbing, as well as the cunning and "out of the blue creativity" of our "translaters", I do not download movies with full dubbing. I always look for, if possible, with the author's, albeit "nasal", translation. But I hear what the characters in the film actually say and I hear real acting emotions in their voices.
But this is not for the Western "consumer of information" who is afraid to overload the remaining one direct gyrus in the brain. Therefore, they would have failed the full dubbing of Ursula.

[Tuzik]

Hi Igor, great comment!
Once upon a time, my friends played all ten versions of the translation of one moment from the movie "Jackal" and asked which version they believe more? The answers were different, but in general, the meaning is that I'm stupid

[kor1vet1974]

Yes, yes, censorship was only in socialist countries, not freedom, but in capitalist countries it is not and never was.

[leks]

Ursula von der Leyen, head of the European Commission, announced information about the losses of the Ukrainian army and among civilians in Ukraine. According to the head of the European Commission, since the beginning of the military conflict, one hundred thousand soldiers and officers of the Armed Forces of Ukraine have died.
It was those who died, not the total number of losses!
That is, the total loss of killed and wounded in the region of 300-400 thousand.
There, on dill's Internet resources, farts are on fire, they do not have time to extinguish.

[dmi.pris1]

Well, without clinking glasses ... Let them continue at this pace

[bk316]

That is, the total loss of killed and wounded in the region of 300-400 thousand.

This is called consensus scoring. Most converge on this number. The number of missing people also varies greatly, but they cannot hide somewhere, which means they have been killed, which means that more than 250 thousand have been killed.

[oleg-nekrasov-19]

As of October 20, according to OSINT (Open Source Intelligence) data, the total losses of the Armed Forces of Ukraine during the Ukrainian conflict are about 400 thousand military personnel and foreign mercenaries. A month later, as of November 20, I think this figure has increased significantly, given the "Bakhmut meat grinder" and counterattacks in the Kremennaya, Svatovo and Zaporozhye regions.

[bk316]

as of October 20, according to OSINT

It's true. This is what I said at the end of October. I haven't seen the scores for November yet. Thank you.

[oleg-nekrasov-19]

If we ignore the topic of the losses of the Armed Forces of Ukraine (and they are really great) and move on to von der Leinen's speech, then I think the Europeans sent a message to drain 404 oh. This will not happen immediately, of course, but the calls are already coming from all sides.

[leks]

Quote: bk316

That is, the total loss of killed and wounded in the region of 300-400 thousand.

This is called consensus scoring. Most converge on this number. The number of missing people also varies greatly, but they cannot hide somewhere, which means they have been killed, which means that more than 250 thousand have been killed.

Well, no, this figure is some kind of prohibitive. I still believe in
100 thousand killed, with an interference of 150 thousand! But 250 thousand killed is not a real figure, at least for me!

[tralflot1832]

Western censorship gives them positive results. Everyone is united, the population only thinks about their own pocket. They clearly use the experience of the USSR. Censorship, censorship and only censorship. Why only enemies can use the experience of the USSR.

[Severomor]

Quote: tralflot1832

They clearly use the experience of the USSR. Censorship, censorship and only censorship.

Come on, if in the USSR there was such censorship as in the West and the USA, who the hell would ruin it.

[tralflot1832]

If one figure did not find a consensus in the pluralism of opinions, the USSR would be more alive than all the living.

[Daishi]

I’m thinking, if the losses of Ukrainians are about 400, as they write everywhere, each of them has a mother, father, and relatives, brothers, sisters, etc., that is, according to the idea, they should raise another one, because there are not so many people left in Ukraine who didn't run away
question where hi and cries

[Aerodrome]

Quote from Daishi

question where hi and cries

and you go and understand ... for this, you will get a sopatka, like with us, however ...

[Tuzik]

If you are suddenly interested, then I did not notice such a desire among people, most of them are furious at your king, the rest simply hope for peace.

[bk316]

if the loss of Ukrainians is about 400, as they say everywhere,

So there are only more than 150 thousand missing. And how to raise a funeral for relatives is not. That's why they throw their bodies, for the ukroreykha it's very handy no body no matter (funeral)

[Alien From]

What are the scum in the West .....

[Tagan]

Quote from: neworange88

Under the definition of at least 100 thousand, all figures that are above 100 thousand are cunning. No matter how they lied, they didn’t tell the truth, but only part of the truth was told in a context that was beneficial for themselves. 400 thousand, after all, also fall under the definition of not less than 100 thousand. And then this half-truth was censored so as not to burn the office.

If I don’t confuse anything, she was talking about the two hundredths. So the total number of losses is probably just approaching 400 thousand. We have relatively similar figures for the losses of the ukroreich.

[Neo-9947]

Why is everyone so excited?
Like censorship ... where is freedom ... poor Western man in the street ....
Is everyone so correct and consistent?
Good. What are the losses of the RF Armed Forces since February 24, 2022?

+ + + + +
I mean, victory will be ours, and the enemy will naturally be defeated, but there is no need to interfere with warm and soft, and no one voices the numbers of losses during the war.
Except gynecologists.

[Carlos Hall]

According to American sources, they lost 100 soldiers killed. But it was a long time ago. Therefore, the figure of 000 dead Ukrainian servicemen seems correct.

[Mwg]

Recall that earlier in the Western media it was said that by the beginning of November, the total losses of Ukrainian troops since February 24, 2022 amounted to at least 174 thousand military personnel.

- project "utilization of the Ukrainian population"

[rotfuks]

Looks like Ursula blurted out too much. She babbled to the state secret.

[Jsem_CZEKO68]

Bojí se přiznat mrtvé vojáky! Z těch čísel je vidět, že Ukrajina bude po zimě bez vojáků.., a NATO chce bojovat do posledního Ukrajince. Copak to lidi na Ukrajině ještě nepochopili, že NATO páchá na Ukrajině genocidu? Jediná možná záchrana Ukrajiny je, že se spojí s Ruskem proti NATO!

[Roman_vh]

Remember what the bear said to the hippopotamus in a joke?
Your mouth would be, but honey to sip. They will fight in their walking field until only tumbleweed remains

[Sedoy]

and the meaning of cutting out - this figure was recognized by kuiv himself at the end of summer, somewhere

[Lucky_Rusyn]

Quote: Severomor

Quote: tralflot1832

They clearly use the experience of the USSR. Censorship, censorship and only censorship.

Come on, if in the USSR there was such censorship as in the West and the USA, who the hell would ruin it.

Censorship in SSSR was little baby compared to shameless censorship USA and EU are doing today. They brainwash their own citizens that way that is unimaginable. BTW, I argued with an American guy online, he is very convinced that Russia is "embarrassing" herself and "losing" the war. He also called my country Serbia "third world sh*thole" and he is glad NATO bombed my country. There is no help for some western people, sadly.

As for Ursula, i never trusted her anyway. She is constantly whining about "Evil Russia" violating territorial integrity of "innocent" Ukraine while at the same time she have no problem that USA and NATO violated territorial integrity of Serbia / Yugoslavia by bombing it and giving Kosovo province in the hand of Albanian Fundamental Islamist terrorists. Hypocrisy, Hypocrisy and Hypocrisy.

But i still have hope in this world, as long there are good, sane, reasonable and great leaders such as Vladimir Putin. Long Live Putin.

[cat hippopotamus]

One hundred thousand perhaps this figure is underestimated two times at least. I wonder what the figure is from the official authorities of the junta of Kyiv.