The head of the European Commission, Ursula von der Leyen, estimated the losses of the Armed Forces of Ukraine since the beginning of the conflict as "over one hundred thousand"

Since the beginning of the Russian military operation, the Ukrainian army has lost over 100 servicemen. Such figures of losses were called by the head of the European Commission Ursula von der Leyen.

The statements of the Zelensky regime about the minimum losses of the Armed Forces of Ukraine are not believed even in the West. While the Kyiv regime continues to assure the population of Ukraine that the “valiant” Ukrainian army suffers almost no losses and “almost liberated” the Donbass, Brussels has calculated the losses of the Armed Forces of Ukraine since the beginning of the special operation of the Russian troops.

According to the data announced by the head of the European Commission, Ursula von der Leyen, Ukraine's losses since February 24, 2022 amounted to over 100 military and about 20 civilians. The given figures more or less correspond to the real ones, back in September of this year, the head of the Russian Ministry of Defense, Sergei Shoigu, estimated the losses of the Armed Forces of Ukraine at one hundred and ten thousand, of which about 60 thousand were wounded, and a little less than 50 were killed. However, over the past month and a half, the losses of the Armed Forces of Ukraine have only grown, given the latest events, and today they clearly exceed the figures given.

It is not known how Kyiv will react to the statement of the head of the EC, probably in the near future another appeal by Zelensky will appear, in which he will say that in Europe "everything is mixed up", in fact, "there are no losses."

Meanwhile, von der Leyen will not calm down and continues to push through his proposal to create some kind of fund, which will include Russian frozen assets, ostensibly to help Ukraine. According to her, the European Commission has raised the estimate of the damage received by Kyiv since the beginning of the NWO, from 385 to 600 billion euros. The head of the EC wants to compensate part of the funds at the expense of Russian assets, directing the arrested 300 billion euros and 19 billion private funds to restore Ukraine.

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[Trapp1st]

over 100 thousand

Unfortunately, this will not stop the Kyiv regime.

[Egeny]

Quote: Trapp1st

Unfortunately, this will not stop the Kyiv regime

This will not stop NATO

[Trapp1st]

This will not stop NATO

To stop, you first need to start moving.

[Tatyana]

Meanwhile Ursula von der Leyen will not calm down and continues to push her proposal to create some kind of fund, which will include Russian frozen assets, ostensibly to help Ukraine. According to her, the European Commission has raised the estimate of the damage received by Kyiv since the beginning of the NWO, from 385 to 600 billion euros. The head of the EC wants to compensate part of the funds at the expense of Russian assets, directing the arrested 300 billion euros and 19 billion private funds to restore Ukraine.

The global THIEF from the EU budget Ursula von der Leyen, nicknamed the "mad German" with her "skeleton closet" faithfully serves the financial ENRICHMENT of herself and Washington! Including at the expense of Russian assets of 300 billion euros arrested by the West and 19 billion of private funds, allegedly directing them to the restoration of Ukraine. Namely.

INFO about EU budget theft by Ursula von der Leyen.
Ursula lived in California from 1992 to 1996. After that, she was returned back to Europe, where she began her high-profile political path, fraught with scandals.
At the same time, it was Angela Merkel who dragged her girlfriend Ursula von der Leyen to the German defense ministers, paving her way as a commissioner in the EU!

The main thing about the theft of the EU budget by Ursula von der Leyen when ordering vaccines for the EU from the covid-19 pandemic is that Ursula lives on US money, which comes into her family through her husband, Heiko von der Leyen. He works as a director at the American startup Orgenesis and who is involved in genetic engineering startups there and receives grants - attention (!) - from the European Union![/b]
And where in Europe are the same so-called "research" genetic biolaboratories of the US Armed Forces located? That's right, in Ukraine!
In this case, Ursula von der Leyen, as the President of the European Commission, helped her husband in the American business of the startup Orgenesis to invest on behalf of the EU in these very US genetic biological projects in Ukraine and earn money for her family in her own pocket.
In fact, Usula von der Leyen, nicknamed the “mad German woman,” maintains her large estate with a stable with the money that the Americans pay her husband, despite the fact that this money comes to the USA from Europe.

Now vaccine revenues in the West are declining - and Ursula von der Leyen is at the forefront of further enriching herself and Washington.

Alas, a certain blame for this falls on Merkel.

[Foul skeptic]

1) By what criteria did you define Orgenesis as a startup? Did you just like the word?
2) The President of the European Commission cannot single-handedly decide on the purchase of vaccines or, even more so, on the distribution of funds.
3) Heiko von der Leyen is an employee. For some reason, many still associate the word director with the word owner.
4) Albrechts and Leyens - an aristocracy with a history of more than one hundred years. And the richest. So what's so surprising about a farm with a stable?

[Shurik70]

Interestingly, these "20 thousand civilians."
Do they count how many civilians died in the Donbass? Or did they include them in these 20 thousand? So count for 8 years of genocide, it will be more

[Horon]

At the same time, it was Angela Merkel who dragged her girlfriend Ursula von der Leyen to the German defense ministers, paving her way as a commissioner in the EU!

Based on the control of the United States over all German chancellors and even Merkel's possible candidates for this position, most likely the Americans made such an offer, which she could not refuse in any case, so the "mad German woman" was taken into account. Americans advance their interests not only by entering into direct confrontation, but also by bringing in their own people to advance their interests or to create obstacles for others.

[Diana Ilyina]

Over a hundred is how much, 300-400?! I think that if you count correctly, then two hundredths, three hundredths and five hundredths will be under half a million.

And whoever considers them there, they do not need them in any form, neither alive, nor even dead, to pay less. The simplest thing is missing.

[Gekki66]

Well, half a million is too much, of course, but Ursula can be doubled. I think so! (With)

[forty-eighth]

The original sounded "have been killed". That is, we are talking about 100k two-hundredth vushnikov. The losses of the XNUMXth, missing and prisoners can be additionally estimated at least in the same amount.

[Diana Ilyina]

Somewhere I came across an analyst of some Western agency, there estimates for mid-October were about 400 thousand. So this is a western agency...

[neworange88]

Quote: Gekki66

Well, half a million is too much, of course, but Ursula can be doubled. I think so! (With)

No, not too much.

LOSS: 400 thousand
Foreign experts from OSINT (Open source intelligence) called terrible figures for the loss of Ukraine during the entire period of the special operation.
Irretrievable losses: 400 thousand people (APU, mercenaries, therodefense)
Killed: 387 thousand people
Mercenary losses only: 54 thousand
Mercenaries killed: 31 thousand
The statistics did not include volunteer units.
We also recall that the 4th wave of mobilization is now beginning in Ukraine.
OSINT made this statement based on an analysis of information from open sources: extracts from mortuaries, obituaries, data from funeral agencies, messages from the radio exchange of the military of the Armed Forces of Ukraine.

https://t.me/voenndelo/765

The Armed Forces of Ukraine, mercenaries and territorial defense have lost about 400 thousand people over the entire period of the NMD. Such data are provided by OSINT specialists based on the study and analysis of information from open sources. The latter includes information from funeral agencies, data from the radio exchange of the Ukrainian military, extracts from morgues and obituaries. It is specified that the number of killed military of the Armed Forces of Ukraine (including the defense) and mercenaries is 387 thousand. "Soldiers of Fortune" from Romania, Poland and the Baltic countries lost 54 soldiers in battle, among them 31240 were killed. Also, in the summer of 2022, the former deputy head of the US European Command, Lieutenant General Stephen Twitty, stated that the losses of the Armed Forces of Ukraine could be more than 200 thousand soldiers. He stressed that a huge number of military personnel fell out of sight of American curators and no one can say where these military personnel are now.

https://yakutskgo.ru/forum/komuza/osint-poteri-vsu-za-vse-vremya-provedeniya-svo-uzhe-sostavili-bolee-400-tysyach-chelovek/

Until mid-May, I had a source in the General Staff of Ukraine, who gave me data on the real losses of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and the National Guard (apparently, he was covered during the next strike), at that time the total losses of Ukraine reached 60 thousand people "

“The loss of people was not considered in order to complete the combat mission. At one time, a death conveyor was organized in the steppe in the Kherson region. The Ukrainian side managed to break through the narrow gut, which was shot through by our artillery. The losses there were quite high,” Zvinchuk said.

https://news-front.info/2022/11/28/konvejer-smerti-zvinchuk-ocenil-poteri-vsu/

[Alex777]

The other day I read that the soldiers' mothers of Ukraine are looking for about 300 missing servicemen of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. If they are added to the gynecologist's data, then the resulting numbers will coincide with the OSINT data.

[laws70]

Well, half a million is too much, of course, but Ursula can be doubled. I think so!

Why multiply it? She said "more than 100 thousand." And she didn't lie

[Stas157]

Quote: Gekki66

Well, half a million is too much, of course, but Ursula can be doubled. I think so! (With)

I don’t know how many, but even a hundred thousand killed figure is prohibitively large. Just think about 120 thousand white people killed ... and this is only on one side! I do not know such a conflict in the 21st century.

Even Shoigu named a smaller figure for the killed Ukrainians. It seems to me that the Head of the European Commission of the EU names a reliable figure. I personally did not expect such revelations from the Western leadership.

[runway-1]

The media reported that she had already clarified: more than 100 thousand are not only killed, but in general, irretrievable losses ...

[your1970]

Quote: Stas157

I don’t know how many, but even a hundred thousand killed figure is prohibitively large. Just think about 120 thousand white people killed ... and this is only on one side! I do not know such a conflict in the 21st century.

by the standards of the 20th century, the figure is small, by the standards of WWI and WWII, it is generally scanty. There were such losses in a day .....

[Edik]

Quote: Diana Ilyina

Over a hundred is how much, 300-400?!

Diana is like in a bank! A loan from 5%, but in fact all 25%! However, the school is the same.

[Diana Ilyina]

It is what it is. Read what is written in the contract in small print, well, or even between the lines.
I’m wondering something else, when will all this end, who will pay the families of the dill for the dead?

[Edik]

Quote: Diana Ilyina

I'm wondering when this will all end

Three years later I think.

Quote: Diana Ilyina

who will pay the families of dill for the dead?

For a long time, the united West has been paying for everything that happens in Ukraine.

[Diana Ilyina]

Three years from now?! Something you Eduard have a very good opinion of them, I'm afraid they won't have enough resources of the entire NATA for three years.

[neworange88]

Quote: Diana Ilyina

It is what it is. Read what is written in the contract in small print, well, or even between the lines.
I’m wondering something else, when will all this end, who will pay the families of the dill for the dead?

Are you kidding or what? No one will pay. Zelensky has already, in fact, arranged a deriban of Ukraine following the example of post-war Germany of the 1945 model, offering this or that country to take under its guardianship, and in fact the occupation, this or that region / city of Ukraine.

[Aaron Zawi]

Quote: Diana Ilyina

Over a hundred is how much, 300-400?! I think that if you count correctly, then two hundredths, three hundredths and five hundredths will be under half a million.

no need to exaggerate. Otherwise, the losses and retreats of the RA are inexplicable.
By the way, I wrote yesterday that this is a general assessment of the irretrievable losses of Ukraine, which includes the dead, missing and wounded with a long rehabilitation period.

[Incvizitor]

Therefore, the retreats are that they heavily threw meat and our battle did not give them to minimize their losses, now there is much less meat and there are no breakthroughs.

[Diana Ilyina]

No need for la-la, if not for all the power of NATO intelligence, not for help with ammunition and weapons, then the dill would have been blown away by the beginning of summer, well, maybe by the middle. You can't really fight without ammunition. So we are at war with NATO, not Ruin.

[Foul skeptic]

So we are at war with NATO, not Ruin.

Where are you "fighting NATO"? Is this an attempt at self-hypnosis? To make it easier for myself to explain the current situation with our army?

[Horon]

Whose weapons does Ukraine have? Or are all these tanks, armored vehicles, MANPADS, Himers and 777s all Ukrainian? And what about the "wild geese"? Are they also of Ukrainian origin, or at least from the territory of the former USSR? Is the Ukrainian army preparing itself? Does Ukraine have intelligence only from its special services?

[Foul skeptic]

Whose weapons does Ukraine have? Or are all these tanks, armored vehicles, MANPADS, Himers and 777s all Ukrainian? And what about the "wild geese"? Are they also of Ukrainian origin, or at least from the territory of the former USSR? Is the Ukrainian army preparing itself? Does Ukraine have intelligence only from its special services?

AND? Is that why you decided that you were at war with NATO?

[Horon]

AND? Is that why you decided that you were at war with NATO?

if you are beaten by a security guard on orders and with the support of a millionaire, you will certainly consider that you had a fight with a security guard ...

[Foul skeptic]

Of course, you will assume that you had a fight with a security guard

Do you remember yourself?

Quote: Horon

if the guard beats you

If a guard beats me, then yes, a guard will beat me.

[Horon]

Do you remember yourself?

I remember.

by order and with the support of a millionaire

You will be beaten by a guard at the behest of a millionaire, if you can beat the guard of one, he will simply ask you to beat the three guards or will send more and more until you die and can not resist, but if you are a millionaire in a drum, then you will just tell each other sides and no one will interfere!

If a guard beats me, then yes, a guard will beat me.

No, you will be beaten by a millionaire with the help of his bodyguard.

[Foul skeptic]

You will be beaten by a security guard on the orders of a millionaire

Yes, even the Pope. According to your twisted logic, it's not the boxers who get the bruises in the ring, but their promoters.

[Horon]

It's your perverted excuses. If you are beaten with a stick, then its owner is not to blame - he is not the one who beats you! And you can bruise the stick as much as you like!
Guard, it's a tool. Vsu, this is also a tool, since it is not Ukraine that maintains and arms it.

[Foul skeptic]

It's your perverted excuses. If you are beaten with a stick, then its owner is not to blame - he is not the one who beats you! And you can bruise the stick as much as you like!

Kindergarten and all. Deal with objectivity, subjectivity.

Guard, it's a tool. Vsu, this is also a tool, since it is not Ukraine that maintains and arms it.

Yes, bruises in the ring do not get boxers, but their promoters.
I wrote a message there a little lower for all "warring with NATO". Will you be able to answer it?

[Xnumx vis]

Quote: A vile skeptic

So we are at war with NATO, not Ruin.

Where are you "fighting NATO"? Is this an attempt at self-hypnosis? To make it easier for myself to explain the current situation with our army?

Ukraine is completely financially supported by NATO countries. All military operations, all high-tech weapons, reconnaissance, target designation, weapons, ammunition, detachments, Zelensky's security. and other officials svidoukro persons of NATO origin.. Or is it not true?

[Foul skeptic]

Ukraine is completely financially supported by NATO countries. All military operations, all high-tech weapons, reconnaissance, target designation, weapons, ammunition, detachments, Zelensky's security. and other officials svidoukro persons of NATO origin.. Or is it not true?

AND? Is that why you decided that you were at war with NATO? You are at war with a country supported by NATO.

[Xnumx vis]

Quote: Nefarious skeptic

AND? Is that why you decided that you were at war with NATO?

AND ? Have you decided not to fight?

[Foul skeptic]

Of course not.
The fact that NATO is a party to the conflict is not the same as fighting NATO. For "warring with NATO" a 100% accurate analogy question is asked below. I will paraphrase

Since 2014, Ukraine has claimed to be at war with Russia. To which in Russia they answered that if Russia had fought with Ukraine, then Ukraine would have ended in N days. And so Ukraine is at war with the Donbass. So answer - since 2014, Russia has been at war with Ukraine?

[Xnumx vis]

Quote: Nefarious skeptic

The fact that NATO is a party to the conflict is not the same as fighting NATO.

That is, if an interested person, here the NATO countries, paid money to a hired killer, here the country is va Svidozhido Bandera, has nothing to do with killing a person? That is, you who hired the killer will not be imprisoned? They will put you down like a little one ..

[Foul skeptic]

That is

That is, there is no need to replace joint responsibility with direct action. In the same Criminal Code there is a clear division of roles. Therefore, do not meddle in kindergarten analogies, where you fly by with logic. Better answer the question posed to you - has Russia been at war with Ukraine since 2014?

[Xnumx vis]

Quote: Nefarious skeptic

Better answer the question posed to you - has Russia been at war with Ukraine since 2014?

And Ukraine with Russia?

[Foul skeptic]

Do you read what they write to you? It seems to be clearly written - Ukraine has been saying since 2014 that it is at war with Russia. Can you finally answer my question?

[Xnumx vis]

Quote: A vile skeptic

Do you read what they write to you? It seems to be clearly written - Ukraine has been saying since 2014 that it is at war with Russia. Can you finally answer my question?

What about me? Do not need to hear the answer to my question? What kind of double standards? What ? Doesn't the tongue move? Brains not moving? BUT ?

[Foul skeptic]

And your questions have been answered
"And? Did you decide not to fight?" - "Of course not."
"And Ukraine with Russia?" - "Ukraine has been saying since 2014 that it is at war with Russia."
What are the claims?
You've been wagging your tail in a row so you don't reply. It is easy to explain why - the answer to my question will immediately show the inconsistency of your (and not only yours) assertion that we are at war with NATO.

[Xnumx vis]

Quote: Nefarious skeptic

You've been wagging your tail in a row so you don't reply.

Do you think I have a tail? Maybe even horns and hooves? You are not at war with NATO. You are fighting for NATO! And we are at war with NATO. Are you stupid to understand this?

[Foul skeptic]

Do you think I have a tail? Maybe even horns and hooves?

Didn't they explain to you at school what figurative expressions are?

You are not at war with NATO. You are fighting for NATO! And we are at war with NATO

You are not at war with Alpha Centauri, are you? And it is especially sad that for some reason people like you classify themselves as those who really fight. They don't fight NATO on the couch. You do not even have the courage to answer a simple question, a warrior with NATO.

[Xnumx vis]

The US and NATO are direct participants in the Ukrainian conflict. They supply weapons to the Kyiv authorities and train military personnel for them.


This statement was made by Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov at a press conference on security issues in Europe, in response to a question from an Associated Press journalist.

Needless to say, the US and NATO are not involved in this war.

- said the Russian Minister of Foreign Affairs.---------------- Is it clear ? Or mentally gifted?

[Foul skeptic]

It is clear that diplomats make statements that should coincide with the policy of the country. Do you understand this?
Your answer will be to my question

Since 2014, Ukraine has claimed to be at war with Russia. To which in Russia they answered that if Russia had fought with Ukraine, then Ukraine would have ended in N days. And so Ukraine is at war with the Donbass. So answer - since 2014, Russia has been at war with Ukraine?

[Xnumx vis]

Quote: 30 vis

Quote: A vile skeptic

Do you read what they write to you? It seems to be clearly written - Ukraine has been saying since 2014 that it is at war with Russia. Can you finally answer my question?

What about me? Do not need to hear the answer to my question? What kind of double standards? What ? Doesn't the tongue move? Brains not moving? BUT ?

The US and NATO are direct participants in the Ukrainian conflict. They supply weapons to the Kyiv authorities and train military personnel for them.


This statement was made by Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov at a press conference on security issues in Europe, in response to a question from an Associated Press journalist.

Needless to say, the US and NATO are not involved in this war.

- said the Russian Minister of Foreign Affairs.

[Foul skeptic]

This statement was made by Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov

A statement is an official statement, an oral or written communication outlining points of view on any issue.
A point of view is a position in life, an opinion from which the subject evaluates events taking place around him.
What does the SUBJECTIVE EVALUATION OPINION have to do with the actual state of things? Especially when talking about the statements of the DIPLOMAT - Lavrov said a year ago that the concentration of Russian troops in Belarus is not connected with the fears of the West that Russia will attack Ukraine, because there are no such plans.
PS

Needless to say, the US and NATO are not involved in this war.

Participation is such a cunning diplomatic trick, when indirect participation (assistance) is passed off as direct (military intervention)

[Xnumx vis]

Quote: Nefarious skeptic

indirect participation (assistance) is passed off as direct (military intervention)

SHO Sho ? Have you tried to explain yourself in Russian normally? Mediated, mediated, mediated, mediated ... Boo ha ha! Well, you're a damn and a clerk ... Ink douche .... . Write. young lady.. Boo Ga ​​Ga! Amused .. skeptic ...

[Foul skeptic]

And this is in Russian.
Well, this is if the vocabulary is not limited to interjections, like "Boo ha ha"

[Xnumx vis]

Quote: Nefarious skeptic

And this is in Russian.

Boo Ga ​​Ga!!

[Aaron Zawi]

Quote: Diana Ilyina

No need for la-la, if not for all the power of NATO intelligence, not for help with ammunition and weapons, then the dill would have been blown away by the beginning of summer, well, maybe by the middle. You can't really fight without ammunition. So we are at war with NATO, not Ruin.

Of course, military assistance is of great importance, but still it is precisely help.
For example, here is the effect Lend-Lease had for Soviet ammunition in 42-45.

Share of lend-lease TNT + TNT made from lend-lease toluene:

1942 - 33.8% -88.8 thousand tons (30 thousand tons)
1943 - 56% -116.9 thousand tons (65.5 thousand tons)
1944 - 65.4% -156 thousand tons (102 thousand tons)
Total 1942-1944 - 54.6% - 361,718 tons (197,50 tons)

Does this mean that the Germans fought on the Eastern Front not only against the Red Army, but also against the Americans? Military supplies help only those soldiers who are willing and able to fight.

[Trapp1st]

Does this mean that the Germans fought on the Eastern Front not only against the Red Army

It is useless to appeal to their mind, firstly it is a crowd, and secondly it is not just a crowd, but with which the management of collective opinion has been carried out.

[runway-1]

True, but do not forget about the "guidelines" that professionals receive ...

[Horon]

So you want to say that the United States and England did not fight the Germans? What happened to French Normandy? And if the USSR lost, would it be considered that France did not fight Germany?

[Aaron Zawi]

Quote: Horon

So you want to say that the United States and England did not fight the Germans? What happened to French Normandy? And if the USSR lost, would it be considered that France did not fight Germany?

We fought. But not on the Soviet-German front.

[Horon]

yes, then there were no US citizens in the ranks of the Red Army, but you can fight by proxy or, as now, by mercenaries or "volunteers", which did not exist in those days, but at the same time, the United States still fought with Germany, and now, "direct" clashes no, but it is enough to recall the shelling of the Wagnerites in Syria or the direct participation of Western intelligence agencies in the war against Russia. You're not going to argue that Western intelligence is directly involved in the conflict? Even they don't deny it. Isn’t this a hybrid war (a term adopted in the West), I hope it’s not necessary to mention how it is now customary to react at the level of laws in the event of such a conflict against the same United States or Britain?

[Aaron Zawi]

Quote: Horon

yes, then there were no US citizens in the ranks of the Red Army, but you can fight by proxy or, as now, by mercenaries or "volunteers", which did not exist in those days, but at the same time, the United States still fought with Germany, and now, "direct" clashes no, but it is enough to recall the shelling of the Wagnerites in Syria or the direct participation of Western intelligence agencies in the war against Russia. You're not going to argue that Western intelligence is directly involved in the conflict? Even they don't deny it. Isn’t this a hybrid war (a term adopted in the West), I hope it’s not necessary to mention how it is now customary to react at the level of laws in the event of such a conflict against the same United States or Britain?

Well, the USSR fought much more actively for Egypt against Israel, but this was not a Soviet-Israeli war.

[Horon]

Well, the USSR fought much more actively for Egypt against Israel, but this was not a Soviet-Israeli war.

then, after all, they had not yet come up with such a term as: "hybrid war"!
This way of war allows you to "wash your hands" if the proxies lose, but on occasion you can always act from the position of a "neutral" representative to lobby your interests. The United States, and indeed many Western countries, are not particularly bothering themselves with neutrality now and have long been waging economic and political wars against Russia. Now they are officially supplying weapons and "volunteers", that is, they are waging that same "hybrid war" for which they are ready to declare a full-fledged one if such a war is waged against them.

[Nesvoy]

Which NATO units are involved in the fighting? List us, do not be unfounded.

[Horon]

Quote from Nesvoy

Which NATO units are involved in the fighting? List us, do not be unfounded.

Do intelligence agencies count? Under whose control is the cipso?

[Xnumx vis]

Quote from Nesvoy

Which NATO units are involved in the fighting? List us, do not be unfounded.

Protection of the President of Ukraine, intelligence. curators of senior officers, crews of Hymers and air defense of foreign origin, all sorts of different weapons manufactured by NATO. In fact, in any major unit there are American, Polish, British officers. Or is it all not NATO troops?

[Alex777]

According to the intelligence agency (AW) of Poland, two brigades of the country's armed forces will be transferred to Western Ukraine at the end of August. According to the source, we are talking about 6 OVDBR and 25 ODSHBR

Hence the loss of the Poles in 1200+. They have been at the front for a long time.

[Foul skeptic]

According to the intelligence agency (AW) of Poland, two brigades of the country's armed forces will be deployed to Western Ukraine at the end of August.

That is, POLISH intelligence reconnaissance about its own armed forces?

According to the source, we are talking about 6 OVDBR and 25 ODSHBR

And it is immediately clear that the "information" was not received from a Pole. The one who did this stuffing writes the types of combat units familiar to him (accepted in Russia), without thinking for a second that they are different in Poland, and the 25th brigade is a cavalry brigade, according to the classification adopted in Poland (that is, helicopter landing)

[Alex777]

Quote: Nefarious skeptic

The one who did this stuffing writes the types of combat units familiar to him (adopted in Russia)

Rather not Russian, but Ukrainian name.
Here is the link:
https://novorosinform.org/varshava-vvedet-dve-brigady-vs-polshi-na-zapadnuyu-ukrainu---istochnik-99761.html
Here is another one of the links:
https://newsua.ru/news/81624-dve-brigady-armii-polshi-zajdut-na-zapadnuyu-ukrainu-v-avguste-kedmi
It's just the first thing that came to hand.
I read a lot about the actions of these Poles where you can’t send links from. In particular, about the fact that when they entered, their equipment was covered with a missile strike back in Western Ukraine ...

Have you seen a picture of a Polish funeral with rifle salutes? Where did they come from? The Poles even had to open a new cemetery.

[Foul skeptic]

Rather not Russian, but Ukrainian name.

Why?

Have you seen a picture of a Polish funeral with fireworks?

No.

[Alex777]

Quote: Nefarious skeptic

Why?

As far as I know, these are Ukrainian names that begin with O. They are all separate there.

Quote: Nefarious skeptic

No.

Look on the Internet. Don't be lazy.
They are buried in the evenings...

This is also the first thing that came to hand.
https://www.mk.ru/politics/2022/11/28/ndp-ubitykh-na-ukraine-polskikh-naemnikov-budut-khoronit-poamerikanski.html
https://inosmi.ru/20221127/naemniki-258231343.html

That video, which I'm talking about - there at least 9 people were immediately buried with honors.

[Foul skeptic]

As far as I know, these are Ukrainian names that begin with O. They are all separate there.

Such a concept as a separate airborne assault brigade from the USSR Armed Forces expectedly migrated after the collapse to the fragments of the country - both the Russian Federation and Ukraine. The 11th, 31st and 83rd brigades are separate air assault brigades.

Look on the Internet. Don't be lazy.
They are buried in the evenings.

What for? What does this have to do with the stuffing under discussion, about the entry of 2 brigades at the end of August? Issuing funerals of mercenaries for this case does not stand up to criticism. Though they are buried with honors, even quietly in the evenings.

[Alex777]

Quote: Nefarious skeptic

Issuing funerals of mercenaries for this case does not stand up to criticism.

I have never seen mercenaries buried with honors, with the state flag on the coffins and farewell volleys.
However, to know or not to know is your right.

[Foul skeptic]

I have never seen mercenaries buried with honors, with the state flag on the coffins and farewell volleys.

Now we have seen. Mercenary mercenary strife.

[Mishka78]

Quote: Diana Ilyina

So we are at war with NATO, not Ruin

I have a question. And the Ukrainians, as they claimed, fought with Russia in the period from 2014 to February 2022? Or is it with the Donbass?

[Roma 1977]

The retreats of the RA are quite explainable by the initial small number of forces. All 10 months of the conflict, the Russian Federation has been fighting in a numerical minority. At the same time, the command tries in every possible way to avoid fighting in an unfavorable situation, preferring to leave settlements without a fight if there is a threat of encirclement or coverage, but at the same time incur minimal losses in people. Or, for example, in Kherson - after understanding the plan of the Armed Forces of Ukraine to destroy the Kakhovka dam, which would make a full-fledged supply of the right-bank grouping impossible, the Russian Federation did not wait for this, but acted preventively, retreating to the left bank, when, according to amateurs, there were no grounds for this .

[neworange88]

RA retreats because it protects people as in the same Kherson. The Armed Forces of Ukraine, on the other hand, throw the entire NMD into frontal attacks, essentially for slaughter, regardless of losses. It is Zelensky who gives the entire NMD criminal orders to hold/recapture this or that settlement at any cost.

[Vladimir M]

Neworange88, it is not necessary for the VSUshnikov to consider idiots that they would go to the slaughter regardless of their losses. In order to go to the slaughter, they must have motivation and this is not money. And to explain this by the fact that they are all under drugs will not work either. If at the age of 14-15 they ran ahead of their cry, now this is not the case. And just they do not go into frontal attacks, but try to bypass our positions along country roads.

[Alex777]

Quote: Aaron Zawi

do not exaggerate.

LOSS: 400 thousand
Foreign experts from OSINT (Open source intelligence) called terrible figures for the loss of Ukraine during the entire period of the special operation.
Irretrievable losses: 400 thousand people (APU, mercenaries, therodefense)
Killed: 387 thousand people
Mercenary losses only: 54 thousand
Mercenaries killed: 31 thousand
The statistics did not include volunteer units.

Would you like to find this data in the original source?
If you add the von der Leyen figure to the number of missing persons (they are not included), then the same numbers are obtained as OSINT.
Even if we lose 1 to 8, then our army has heavy losses.
In my opinion, including for this reason, the data on Ukrainian losses from the Russian Defense Ministry are greatly underestimated. Calling real numbers is not profitable from any side.

Quote: Aron Zaavi

Otherwise, the losses and retreats of the RA are inexplicable.

As for the reasons for the retreat of our army, they are all known in the smallest detail. And a lot of work is being done to correct this situation.

[Aaron Zawi]

Quote: Alex777

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Therefore, the retreats are that they heavily threw meat and our battle did not give them to minimize their losses now meat

You just want to believe in it. Well, let us judge the course of hostilities.

[Alex777]

Quote: Aron Zaavi

You just want to believe in it.

Absolutely do not want to.
There is no joy in the fact that the Slavs are fighting among themselves.

Quote: Aron Zaavi

Well, let us judge the course of hostilities.

Reasonable.

[runway-1]

Yes, you are right and the Head of the European Commission has already clarified this circumstance.

[alekseykabanets]

Quote: Diana Ilyina

I think that if you count correctly, then two hundredths, three hundredths and five hundredths will be under half a million.

Tell me, what method of calculation do you use? If you regularly write down for Konashenkov, then, perhaps, it will be more painful.)))) But seriously, neither you, nor me, nor anyone else, on this site, has and cannot have objective input data, for at least some sane method of calculation.

[Sergej1972]

Well, if we sum up the figures given at the briefings of the Ministry of Defense and the data of the European Commission, then the difference is small.

[Mishka78]

Quote: aleksejkabanets

Tell me, what method of calculation do you use?

I read somewhere that the calculation of enemy losses according to a certain method of the Ministry of Defense since Soviet times has been carried out by the method of calculating the consumption of ammunition multiplied by a certain coefficient.
Something like that:
- shot 1000 rounds from a machine gun - that means he flunked 5 vrazhin.
- shot 1000 high-explosive shells - that means he filled up 100 enemies, etc.
An abstract example of course. I don't remember the odds. Well, I can’t vouch for the reliability of the existence of such a technique .. I read, it seems, in a cart from one of the military correspondents.

[runway-1]

Greetings! I hope this is a joke question about the calculation method ?! We understand that the principle of large numbers, which has a distant relation to reality, works. And those who happily write about other people's losses are either ready to believe anything, as long as it meets their expectations, or they are here at work...
And so the Head of the European Commission has already specified that over 100 thousand are the total irretrievable losses of Ukraine.

[alekseykabanets]

Hello!

Quote: WFP-1

Greetings! I hope this is a joke question about the calculation method ?!

Of course!

Quote: WFP-1

And those who happily write about other people's losses are either ready to believe anything, as long as it meets their expectations, or they are here at work ..

Rather, the second, we have all known the local "Mikhans" for a long time.))) I am simply amazed at times by such statements as this lady made. How can we now assess the losses, if after the Second World War we came to more or less sane figures only after so many years.

[freddyk]

Quote: Diana Ilyina

Over a hundred is how much, 300-400?!

Who counts them? Washington needs a victory, it will not stand up for the price, especially the price is the life of a Ukrainian.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: freddyk

Washington needs a victory, it will not stand up for the price, especially the price is the life of a Ukrainian.

When Ukraine loses, then in the same Washington they will force the current government to account for every dollar, and this is the Biden administration, like a hefty bone in the throat.

[private person]

The given figures more or less correspond to the real ones, back in September of this year, the head of the Russian Ministry of Defense, Sergei Shoigu, estimated the losses of the Armed Forces of Ukraine at one hundred and ten thousand, of which about 60 thousand were wounded, and a little less than 50 were killed.


This was said by Shoigu, and here in the VO back in the summer, couch experts called the figure more than 60 thousand, and these were only those killed. Who is right?

[Zakirov Damir]

Quote: Diana Ilyina

Over a hundred is how much, 300-400?! I think that if you count correctly, then two hundredths, three hundredths and five hundredths will be under half a million.

As of July 1, 2022, that is, in 127 days, 72 thousand died and died in hospitals from injuries, about 42 thousand disabled, about 8 thousand prisoners. In total, excluding the wounded in hospitals, 122 thousand irretrievable losses in 127 days.

Divide this number, 114 thousand dead and disabled, without 8 thousand prisoners, by 127 and multiply by 280 (as of November 30, 2022):
(114 / 000) * 127 ~ 280k
This is about 158 ​​thousand dead on the battlefield, from strikes in the rear and those who died from wounds in hospitals, 92 thousand disabled people, and taking into account 8 thousand prisoners of war, we get about 260 thousand irrevocable as of November 30, 2022.

I repeat, the number of staff in hospitals that return to service after an average of 3 months is not included here.
You also need to understand that this includes everyone - the Armed Forces of Ukraine, the National Battalions, the terrorist defense and mercenaries who died both on the line of contact (front) and deep in the rear when military depots, transported equipment, barracks and headquarters were hit.

[Bomb]

Physically, it can't be that much. Sorry, I'm not smart enough to write a normal comment and, according to the site administration, does not carry useful information.

[Zakirov Damir]

Quote: Bomb

Physically, it can't be that much.

Announce your data if it is physically impossible.

1. Up to 300 people die on the contact line (front line) per day.
2. Losses in the rear.
Up to 100 people from attacks on warehouses (the warehouses are guarded) on transported equipment (it is also accompanied), barracks (they live in them), on training grounds (they train), on columns (they go to the front), on headquarters (in them work).
3. From the ratio of five dead, one who died from wounds in rear hospitals, out of the total number of wounded, we get about 100 more people.
Total: 500 dead per day.

If 500 is multiplied by 280 days, we get 140 killed on the battlefield and died from wounds in hospitals of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, national battalions, terrorist defense and mercenaries.

There was one disabled person for two dead and those who died from wounds in the Second World War. Since weapons are now more accurate, now the ratio can be even lower, that is, 1.5-1.8 deaths per disabled person.

So, the estimated 158 dead and dead from wounds, as well as 000 disabled people, voiced by me, are more than real data. Of course, if you count everyone, and not just about 92 thousand dead AFU soldiers.

[Paul Siebert]

Oh, and terrible, you, Ursula, are like DEATH ...

But she was a gynecologist, she helped give birth. Cared about LIFE.
Crack now about the dead Nazis. The benefit of the material is enough ...

[Xnumx vis]

Quote: Paul Siebert

Oh, and terrible, you, Ursula, are like DEATH ...

But she was a gynecologist, she helped give birth. Cared about LIFE.
Crack now about the dead Nazis. The benefit of the material is enough ...

And you say there are no reptilians ... Poured viper ...

[Nesvoy]

The usual game for the audience. Like, look how many Russians are killing Ukrainians, and if we stop helping them, then the entire population of the square will be destroyed. Let's tighten our belts and so on.

[Egeny]

You might think that Ursula is very sorry for the "cannon fodder" of Ukraine, it's good that the girls haven't been driven into the trenches yet.

[41 REGION]

[quote = Egeny] it's good that the girls haven't been driven into the trenches yet. G
It's not evening yet............

[alekseykabanets]

Quote from Egeni

You might think that Ursula is very sorry for the "cannon fodder" of Ukraine, it's good that the girls haven't been driven into the trenches yet.

Well, I don’t know about Ukraine, but I came across Russian campaign materials, volunteers, of course.

[rotmistr60]

This lady, along with other high officials of the EU, should also be included in irretrievable losses. And Europe will only benefit from such losses.

The head of the EC wants to compensate part of the funds at the expense of Russian assets

Well, how can you not express yourself in Russian: "But the slurp will not crack?" He forgets that there are also European assets in Russia, which can also be spent on the restoration of Donbass.

[Mouse]

it’s not very desirable to open one’s little egg for the sake of the country ... so they are ratting ... “civilized” rats ...

[Pete mitchell]

Quote: Mouse

it’s not very desirable to open one’s little egg for the sake of the country ... “civilized” rats ...

His egg will go to eliminate the consequences of supporting the country 404 and the rabies in particular.
And by and large: if they figure out how to give a legal form and sense to the case and squeeze out Russian resources - the 404s will not see anything

[Pete mitchell]

Quote: Pete Mitchell

they figure out how to give a legal form and sense to the case and squeeze out Russian resources - the 404s will not see anything

And in confirmation of our discussion, the gynecologist said: we will squeeze out the assets, create a structure for investment and send the gesheft of this activity to the country 404

[Uprun]

And this scatterbrain doesn’t know yet that the greenery has already rolled out for a trillion?

[tihonmarine]

Quote from uprun

And this scatterbrain doesn’t know yet that the greenery has already rolled out for a trillion?

She knows everything, so only who Zele will give something "for restoration". After the end of the database, everyone will forget about Ukraine, as if it never existed.

[oleg-nekrasov-19]

Well, if Ursula voices such figures, then the losses, I think, are much greater. Based on OSINT (Open Source Intelligence) data, the total losses of the Armed Forces of Ukraine during the Ukrainian conflict are about 400 thousand military personnel and foreign mercenaries. This figure was announced as of October 20.

[leks]

Quote: oleg-nekrasov-19

Well, if Ursula voices such figures, then the losses, I think, are much greater. Based on OSINT (Open Source Intelligence) data, the total losses of the Armed Forces of Ukraine during the Ukrainian conflict are about 400 thousand military personnel and foreign mercenaries. This figure was announced as of October 20.

Well then the figure converges 1 to 3 or
1 to 4
This witch says, killed 100 thousand dill! That means three, four wounded for one killed. 100 thousand killed 300 thousand wounded total 400 thousand total losses.

[oleg-nekrasov-19]

Well, these figures were still known on October 20, now, taking into account the "Bakhmut meat grinder" and the "Svatov counterattacks", they have increased

[leks]

Quote: oleg-nekrasov-19

Well, these figures were still known on October 20, now, taking into account the "Bakhmut meat grinder" and the "Svatov counterattacks", they have increased

These figures are different and approximate everywhere. Nobody knows the exact numbers!

[oleg-nekrasov-19]

I provided OSINT data, I did not look at other sources. Naturally, the Ukrainians are different, at their request, von der Leinen's speech has already been removed from the networks.

[Bingo]

She has a deadline looming, not before reading the manuals - sometimes she will reflexively tell the truth

[Egeny]

But yesterday we occupied a couple of villages - Andreevka and Pershe Travnya

[Ural resident]

The time will come, the same Western sponsors who said that the losses of the Armed Forces of Ukraine are negligible will say the exact opposite. The theme of alleged genocide will be accelerated along with the famine. No wonder they built the entire media system in the form of a big victory, but in fact they threw people like meat. Apparently this statement is the first sign. Now, if ours finally begin to crush the dill, these statements from the West will become more and more frequent, up to developing into a pig squeal.

[Egeny]

Quote: oleg-nekrasov-19

This figure was announced as of 20 October.

Well, yes, given the four waves of mobilization

[Egeny]

Quote: Trapp1st

To stop, you first need to start moving.

And in what direction? And why are you downvoting everyone?)
Are you red or white?

[Trapp1st]

And which way?

I don’t know which direction NATO is moving in your fantasy

This will not stop NATO

And why are you downvoting everyone?)

Why is it me all of a sudden?

Are you red or white?

What are you talking about in general?

[Egeny]

Quote: Trapp1st

What are you talking about in general?

Trump, well, I'm definitely not for NATO, I'm not sure about you.

[fuel oil]

Well, for the health of the deceased ... the fascists are glassy earth.

[bandabas]

It was necessary to put pressure on the 24th of February. But, apparently, the Lilliputians did not need it. Wash their wallets. There is a systematic destruction of the post-Soviet space. Through the gene pool.

[Nastia makarova]

right that they destroy !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[kor1vet1974]

The head of the EC wants to compensate part of the funds at the expense of Russian assets, directing the arrested 300 billion euros and 19 billion private funds to restore Ukraine.

As they did not want to feed Ukraine, they still do not want to, they shift it onto the fragile shoulders of Russia. At the expense of its funds.

[air wolf]

Ursula, wake up, the real figures according to the reports of the Russian Defense Ministry, which are also used by the United States, 500 thousand people were killed by Bandera scum and wounded, multiply by 4, and our losses, which is sad, are 1/10, but this is a war

[Ser Vak]

real figures according to the reports of the RF Ministry of Defense, which are also used by the United States ???Konashenko use?

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: air wolf

, and ours

Optimist. In reality, one and a half to two times less. Those who have been there say

[APASUS]

Meanwhile, von der Leyen proposes to speed up the disposal of Ukrainians. Why does she need people

[rocket757]

The head of the European Commission, Ursula von der Leyen, estimated the losses of the Armed Forces of Ukraine since the beginning of the conflict as "over one hundred thousand"

. Guess, don't guess ... military statistics are such a thing, "uncertain", the truth was not even close there.

[agoran]

Eh, Ursula Gertrude von der Leyen, she was a normal aunt, why didn’t she work in her specialty?

[tihonmarine]

According to the data announced by the head of the European Commission, Ursula von der Leyen, Ukraine's losses since February 24, 2022 amounted to over 100 military and about 20 civilians.

To believe under Leyen, this is the same as grandmothers on a bench. If she tells the real losses of the Ukrainian Armed Forces, then it will be a shock for Europe and especially for Ukraine. But about the civilian population, she went over to knock out a tear. The civilian population in Ukraine died many times less than the Nazis killed in the Donbass and in Ukraine itself.

[Ser Vak]

Everyone refers to Tass, those to her Twitter, but there is nothing there. Most likely a fake

[Viktor Sergeev]

Well, it was she who was modest, more, much more, but who considers them to be these slaves?

[voyaka uh]

100 thousand irretrievable losses in the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the form of killed, wounded and missing is a very real figure.
It was also voiced by American analysts.
About a third of them were killed, including the missing.

[Ulan.1812]

This thief and Russophobe USRula already got it.
That's what happens when a shoemaker starts baking pies.

[Timur_62]

100 killed and 150 wounded - regular troops disabled, they are replaced by untrained mobilized "walking dead", who are inspired by the idea that the Russian army is weak, and attacking actions will bring victory to the Armed Forces of Ukraine. as a result of this, cannon fodder is massively killed during the offensive. and the leadership of Ukraine is waiting for the return of foreign-trained soldiers to the front, hoping for an illusory victory.

[leks]

According to the data announced by the head of the European Commission Ursula von der Leyen, the losses of Ukraine since February 24, 2022 amounted to over 100 thousand military

When you write an article, you at least specify whether it was killed or wounded, or all together, so that people do not guess!
Although this motherfucker who Ursula seemed to clearly say the word "killed"

[Ser Vak]

It seems that they have already removed it from the transcript, but anyway, who now believes otherwise

[solar]

estimated the losses of the Armed Forces of Ukraine at one hundred and ten thousand, of which approximately 60 thousand were wounded, and a little less than 50 were killed.

The ratio is completely unrealistic. Especially for the army with normal equipment, body armor, helmets.
rather, a ratio of 1:4 or 1:5 will be closer to the truth.

[Sergey-ADE2]

I think that this fonderline also greatly underestimates the numbers, there is a very good OSINT office that gives completely different data.

[solar]

there is a very good office OSINT

there is no such office and cannot be. This is not the name of the office, but a way to collect information

[iouris]

The main question is how she "appreciated". That's the whole point (lies - blatant lies - statistics). Judging by the fact that the named figure is very "round", - using the "three P" method: "finger - floor - ceiling."
For the layman, the figure "100.000" means "a lot". Thus, in the bottom line - "very much." And then - "some money."
Again, they don’t have their own money: they collected it from the Russian Federation. But, on the other hand, it was possible to direct it to your needs ... But on the third hand, if it were not for the war, it would be impossible to take the money ... (or is it possible?) An alternative ...

[Fangaro]

First, write about the losses, then delete the message, then post another, edited, on the same resource. Add that these are not losses, but cumulative losses. Add the phrase that you don’t need to look at numbers at all. All the same, Russia is to blame for everything.
Could it be that the hundreds of thousands of ordinary Japanese who died as a result of the US use of nuclear weapons were also to blame for the USSR?
Compared with the statements of contemporary EU and US politicians, the statements of Churchill and Truman seem to be sincere delusions.