Stoltenberg: Ukraine can be accepted into NATO after the end of hostilities

NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg today made many statements regarding Ukraine. All these statements, one way or another, contained the words that have become habitual for a Euro-Atlantic official - "support", "help", "defense of democracy in Ukraine" and so on. Stoltenberg also had to raise a sore subject - Ukraine's requests to join the alliance. Every time the NATO secretariat finds a new reason to explain to the Kyiv regime why Ukraine has not yet been accepted into the North Atlantic bloc.

This time, Jens Stoltenberg, declaring his position on Ukraine, noted that this country "may become a member of NATO after the end of hostilities."

Based on this, one could assume that as soon as Ukraine refuses to fight against the Russian army, the doors of NATO will open before it. But "not everything is so clear."

The same Stoltenberg, in his earlier (today's) statement, said the words that "Ukraine should approach the best negotiating positions with success on the battlefield." The NATO Secretary General said that "only a victory for Ukraine will lead to an acceptable option for negotiations." Accordingly, this is an unequivocal message that NATO will push Kyiv to continue fighting, no matter what the cost to Ukraine itself.

Accordingly, the statements that Ukraine can be accepted into NATO immediately after the end of hostilities is a new degree of NATO cunning. Ukraine will stop hostilities, even if it suddenly wants it, Washington will not allow it. This idea was given today to Stoltenberg in his original interpretation.

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[neworange88]

Stoltenberg: Ukraine can be accepted into NATO after the end of hostilities

In other words, Ukraine must defend NATO, but it cannot count on NATO protection. Here, end the war, Ukrainians, and then you can count on joining so that NATO does not have to fight for you.
And some have already dreamed.

.“If Russia announces a special military operation and believes that this is enough to massively attack some other country with cruise missiles, then why do other countries, after all, not want to think the same way as the Russian Federation?

And, for example, to announce some kind of special worldwide military operation and attack the territory of the Russian Federation with cruise missiles. It would be, in principle, symmetrical,” Podolyak said.

https://m.politnavigator.net/kiev-prizyvaet-zapad-obyavit-specoperaciyu-na-territorii-rossii.html

[Clear]

Now it is clear that it was Stoltenberg who developed the military operation of the Armed Forces of Ukraine to “return” Crimea by 2023

[Nikolay Ivanov_5]

The problem is deeper than we think, we do not realize the level of defeat in our society, our children grow up believing in the false values ​​of Western culture, our children will turn against us.

[Osiris]

Yes, there is such a thing - the generation of the late 80-90s. grown up precisely on these false values. We are to blame for this...

[Uma palata]

Dear, what "defeat in our society" are you fantasizing about? Finally, it dawned on us what evil spirits we are fighting, which allowed us to take adequate measures. Late, but things went the right way. And our children do not turn against us, and never will, what are you talking about? Perhaps you have personal problems, so solve them privately, without taking out, so to speak, the garbage from your house.

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Quote: Nikolai Ivanov_5

The problem is deeper than we think, we do not realize the level of defeat in our society, our children grow up believing in the false values ​​of Western culture, our children will turn against us.

Maybe yours, but I'm sure of mine.

[Real Pilot]

This is the classic "later", where the principle of PZN is implicitly expressed: "then means never."

The instrument of causing harm to Russia is being broken about us, because Ukraine simply has no chance to get out of this situation whole and strong ... We need to promise in order to stimulate the remnants of the Armed Forces of Ukraine for the last dashes into battle.
Well, if suddenly, in an unlikely scenario, it is possible to undermine Russia from the inside, then take the territory with a proud air of winners.

[oleg-nekrasov-19]

Now, just a little more, Ukraine’s infrastructure will be leveled by 30 percent, a couple of boilers will be drawn and they will be able to take a pre-trial detention center in the Crimea, is it better to immediately leave Lefortovo in Moscow, mother, why waste time on trifles?

[svp67]

Quote from: neworange88

In other words, Ukraine should

disappear from the political map of the world

[DymOk_v_dYmke]

Quote: svp67

Quote from: neworange88
In other words, Ukraine should

disappear from the political map of the world

~ "No country - no problem."

[Osiris]

Ukraine will not disappear from the World map, it will be reduced to 5 regions...

[Pantsuy]

Quote: Osiris

Ukraine will not disappear from the World map, it will be reduced to 5 regions...

It’s necessary to pay bills to someone, distribute debts and pay reparations

[Ulan.1812]

I wonder what kind of Ukraine this talker was going to accept in NATO?
Leftovers?
This clown doesn't solve anything.
Again, they only hold a carrot so that Zelensky fights to the last Ukrainian.
There, and so the men were greatly thinned out.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Ulan.1812

I wonder what kind of Ukraine this talker was going to accept in NATO?
Leftovers?

Whatever Ukraine remains, "truncated" or such as it now exists, but it is not needed in NATE even in a candy wrapper. Everyone in the West is well aware that Ukraine is now fighting, and after being admitted to NATO, the West will have to fight for it. But this is exactly what the West does not need, it was not in vain that they pushed it precisely (one like a hole in the ass "to war with Russia, and this has been going on for 8 years and a tail. Also, the West understands that no matter what Ukraine is, it will always will escalate the situation and provoke Russia, so Ukraine will not be accepted anywhere, except for LGBT people.For good, a tiny piece of Ukraine should remain, which does not pose a military threat to its neighbors, and the main large part should be returned to the former owners of this territory.

[Ulan.1812]

This is understandable, why NATO ukronauists understand. But NATO does not need obligations to this Nazi entity.
Why, if the Ukrainian mongrels are already ready to fulfill all the orders of the owners with a joyful squeal.

[Zakirov Damir]

Quote: tihonmarine

For good, a meager piece should remain from Ukraine,

And right there you have:

Quote: tihonmarine

The West also understands that no matter what Ukraine is, it will always escalate the situation and provoke Russia,

Ukraine will be closed as a project. Fully!
The territory, except for Western Ukraine, will become part of the Russian Federation.

In the West, a referendum will be held on joining Russia or Poland, Romania and Hungary. I believe, given the Russophobic population of these territories, the choice will be in favor of the latter.

This is how Western Ukraine will make its dream come true - it will join NATO. And let at least one projectile then fly from these NATO territories!

What piece to leave Ukraine? These six regions of Western Ukraine are the most densely populated. There were 1939 million of them in 13, upon joining, and now even more so. This is an unfinished mobilization resource, and even outside of NATO!

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Damir Zakirov

This is an unfinished mobilization resource, and even outside of NATO!

But there is no getting away from this "piece", and it will always treat Russia only with hostility, and there is no point in Russia joining it. Let it dissolve in neighboring countries, and this will already be their problem.

[Zakirov Damir]

Quote: tihonmarine

But there is no getting away from this "piece", and it will always treat Russia only with hostility, and there is no point in Russia joining it. Let it dissolve in neighboring countries, and it will already be their problem

So I wrote about it:

The territory, except for Western Ukraine, will become part of the Russian Federation.

In the West, a referendum will be held on joining Russia or Poland, Romania and Hungary. I believe, given the Russophobic population of these territories, the choice will be in favor of the latter.

This is how Western Ukraine will make its dream come true - it will join NATO. And let at least one projectile then fly from these NATO territories!

[RED_ICE]

That's what the article says about it. Read carefully.

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Quote: Ulan.1812

I wonder what kind of Ukraine this talker was going to accept in NATO?

Quote: Ulan.1812

There, and so the men were greatly thinned out.

Not otherwise, Stoltenberg will accept Ukrainian women. He has a lot of money.

[Paul Siebert]

Quote: Ulan.1812

I wonder what kind of Ukraine this talker was going to accept in NATO?
Leftovers?
This clown doesn't solve anything.
Again, they only hold a carrot so that Zelensky fights to the last Ukrainian.
There, and so the men were greatly thinned out.

[hagen]

Quote: Ulan.1812

I wonder what kind of Ukraine this talker was going to accept in NATO?
Leftovers?

It is desirable, very desirable, that these remains should not have access to the Black Sea. After the loss of Crimea, Ukraine for NATO (read for the United States) is of interest primarily to Odessa. Therefore, no matter what various NATO secretaries general say, Ukraine will be accepted into the alliance as soon as the deep state sees its interest in this in the person of the Pentagon and the CIA. Russia's opposition to the Anglo-Saxons will not be limited to the war between Russia and Ukraine. They need a convenient foothold against southern Russia. Access to sea communications is very necessary for this bridgehead. It will be followed by the final phase of the NWO. I think so.

[razved]

"Lube" has a song "Russians", which contains the words "Russians are chopping Russians." This is what is happening now, and not for the first time. And provocateurs (they are also instigators) in the so-called collective West are sitting and rejoicing, rubbing their hands...

[Andrey Moskvin]

Do you want to surprise someone? There is no such nation as Ukrainians, there are stupid Russians!

[alekseykabanets]

Quote: Andrey Moskvin

There is no such nation as Ukrainians, there are stupid Russians!

Out of curiosity, I ask, is Bohdan Khmelnitsky the same "stupid Russian"? And there is no Ukrainian language either?

[Chronos]

Quote: aleksejkabanets

Quote: Andrey Moskvin

There is no such nation as Ukrainians, there are stupid Russians!

Out of curiosity, I ask, is Bohdan Khmelnitsky the same "stupid Russian"? And there is no Ukrainian language either?

I don't know about stupid. But Khmelnitsky considered himself Russian (okay, Russian). The word "Ukrainian" was not even known then.

[alekseykabanets]

Quote: Chronos

The word "Ukrainian" was not even known then.

They knew that the word "Ukrainian" then called people living on the outskirts of the state, on the frontier, as they say now. And the Ukrainians were then called Little Russians.

[Andrey Moskvin]

Alex, I think so. This is not a language, it is a mixture of dialects from different regions ..

[alekseykabanets]

Quote: Andrey Moskvin

This is not a language, it is a mixture of dialects from different regions ..

All languages, to a greater or lesser extent, are "a mixture of dialects of different regions".))))
However, the Ukrainian language has been formed for a long time, it is methodical, expressive and beautiful, and it is no worse than any other language.

We have a lot of borrowings from the Ukrainian language in the Kuban.

[Konnick]

We have a lot of borrowings from the Ukrainian language in the Kuban.

And here in the Kuban they speak Russian, not Surzhik. The village of the village is different. In Starotitarovskaya stanitsa, for example, they speak without the slightest accent and do not use Ukrainianisms. Kuban is like a patchwork quilt, there are Russian villages, there are Ukrainian ones. Even the famine in the Kuban walked selectively through the Ukrainian villages, without affecting the Russians ... the mentality played a role.

[alekseykabanets]

Quote: Konnick

And here in the Kuban they speak Russian, not Surzhik.

It is clear that not on surzhik.)))))

Quote: Konnick

In Starotitarovskaya stanitsa, for example, they speak without the slightest accent and do not use Ukrainianisms.

I was with you in the 80s on grapes, oh, and there was time.)))))) How much chacha and wine was drunk! And what they say without an accent and do not use Ukrainianisms is that you simply do not notice. What, who, hut, beetroots, etc., etc.

[Konnick]

so you just don't notice it. What, who, hut, beetroots, etc., etc.

I am not a resident of those places, I just spent a lot of time there on business trips. And I can easily distinguish a person from the Urals from a resident of Yaroslavl by the dialect. Even if we compare the two Voronezh towns of Boguchar and Kalach, then in Boguchar

What, who, hut, beetroots, etc., etc.

, but in Kalach you will not hear this ..

[alekseykabanets]

And a lot of people were resettled to the Kuban from Ukraine, some were recorded as Cossacks, some were not, and borrowings from there. And they resettled near Voronezh.

[Konnick]

And a lot of people were resettled to the Kuban from Ukraine, who were recorded as Cossacks

So the first settlers were the Zaporozhian Cossacks. But in vain Catherine II relied on them, they practically did not protect the southern borders, but began to raid the Caucasians themselves and Catherine had to send reliable Don Cossacks to the border, so the Caucasian line army appeared, which consisted mainly of Great Russians. And the Cossacks were left in the Lower Kuban.

[alekseykabanets]

Quote: Konnick

And the Cossacks were left in the Lower Kuban.

So the resettlement of peasants from Ukraine and the South Russian lands to the Caucasus and Kuban did not stop, probably never.

[Andrey Moskvin]

Nichrome!!!. Ukrainian language is a vinaigrette from Russian-Polish-Carpathian-Gypsy-Romanian nonsense. Is there technical documentation on the move? Here is your answer.

[alekseykabanets]

Quote: Andrey Moskvin

There is technical documentation on the move

Start here: https://sovietime.ru/inostrannye-yazyki-raznye/ukrainskij-yazyk-dlya-4-klassa-1974 By the way, good article, read it.

[ananias mudishev]

Wife from Volyn. In 2002, I went to visit my mother-in-law (for the first time and the only one, because during the 2 weeks of my stay I felt Russophobia from the locals several times). Her village is located a few kilometers from Poland, in a neighboring village I talked with her grandfather (he was adequate and fought in the Red Army throughout the war), he was born in 1920, asked about life in Volyn until 1939, when she was part of Poland, in general, Russian didn't smell of anything. Maybe these people were Russian centuries 5-6 years ago, but now they are not Russian. Well, let's say the lands are historically Russian, but the people there are definitely not like that, you want the return of the lands, but what to do with this rotten people? And with these animals (I don’t know exactly what breed, either Poles, or Hungarians, or Romanians), I don’t want to live in the same country. Conclusion: maybe people who lived 500 years ago in the west were Russians, but today's hatred of Muscovites is in their genes, so Russia does not need Western Ukraine

[alekseykabanets]

Quote: Ananiy Mudischev

Maybe these people were Russian centuries 5-6 years ago, but now they are not Russian. Well, let's say the lands are historically Russian, but the people there are definitely not like that, you want the return of the lands, but what to do with this rotten people?

Where are the people to go? Yes, nowhere, to teach, to re-educate. The USSR taught the Uzbeks how to drive tractors.)))) And you say. There, in Central Asia, before the advent of Soviet power, there was generally nothing in kind, and they learned to read and write, and look at how ordinary Uzbeks and Uzbeks behaved in the Second World War, many Uzbeks adopted 10 orphans. Time and social appeal for the vast majority of the population, that's the whole recipe. The Bolsheviks knew about him well.

[ananias mudishev]

Teaching literacy and remembering that you are Russian are completely different things. From the age of 39, the Soviet authorities taught and built everything about them, and in the late 80s they remembered that they were Bandera and had nothing to do with Muscovites. So don't re-educate them. Recently, my wife was talking to a girlfriend from the village, I told her: "soon the pshekals will take you to their place," and she says, "well, what can we do better there" and there all the local villagers talk like that. So it's better to forget about Western urine, we don't need them

[alekseykabanets]

Quote: Ananiy Mudischev

and in the late 80s they remembered that they were Bandera and had nothing to do with Muscovites.

This is greetings from those who began to build a "bright capitalist future", in all non-states that arose on the ruins of the former USSR, nationalist sentiments were supported by states.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Ananiy Mudischev

Well, let's say the lands are historically Russian, but the people there are definitely not like that, you want the return of the lands, but what to do with this rotten people?

Yes, read for 600 years there is already nothing Russian left, everything that can be knocked out by the Austrians and Poles, and the Hungarians, Romanians, Slovaks, were also not shy. What happened after the annexation of Western Ukraine happened, we can see everything perfectly. I don't think a second time is necessary.

[Andrey Moskvin]

No. And judging by your "same" you have problems with Russian.

[alekseykabanets]

Quote: Andrey Moskvin

And judging by your "same" you have problems with Russian.

When there is nothing to argue, we get personal? Many people have problems with the Russian language, it was not my favorite subject at school, so what?

[Andrey Moskvin]

Don't be angry, Alexey, I just have a fad in my head about language, I'm suffering myself.

[alekseykabanets]

Quote: Andrey Moskvin

Don't get mad, Alexey, I just have a fad about language in my head, I'm suffering myself

Sometimes I regret that we do not write in Belarusian, it is quite simple there, as it is heard, it is written.))))

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Andrey Moskvin

And judging by your "same" you have problems with Russian.

What to do, we all have problems with this - "we all learned a little, something and somehow", but the main thing is that we still understand each other and even quite well.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: aleksejkabanets

Out of curiosity, I ask, is Bohdan Khmelnitsky the same "stupid Russian"?

Bogdan Khmelnitsky was a gentry and a subject of the King of Poland Vladislav IV. So he could not become a "stupid Russian", as he was, he remained a gentry, although he entered into a forced alliance with Tsar Alexei Mikhailovich.

[alekseykabanets]

Quote: tihonmarine

Bogdan Khmelnitsky was a gentry...

The gentry is not a nationality, it is something like the nobility in the Polish-Lithuanian state.))))

[tihonmarine]

Quote: aleksejkabanets

The gentry is not a nationality, it is something like the nobility in the Polish-Lithuanian state.

It is true not nationality, but the nobility which is given for faithful service. And Bogdan served the king without sparing his stomach.

[alekseykabanets]

Quote: tihonmarine

It is true not nationality, but the nobility which is given for faithful service.

Duck it, then they had, hereditary already like it was.

Quote: tihonmarine

And Bogdan served the king without sparing his stomach.

Well, what does it mean "not sparing his belly", he was a gentry, which means a military man, he fought like all Cossacks. There, their Ukrainian uprisings were mainly based on the oppression of Ukrainians on religious grounds, that is, the "Catholicization" of the Orthodox. And faith, in those days, was a very serious matter.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: aleksejkabanets

Duck it, then they had, hereditary already like it was.

No, the kings also gave out. And when, after the partitions of Poland, Nicholas the First decided to restore order in the gentry, it turned out that about 200 thousand gentry were impostors and did not have a royal rescript. All of them were deprived of gentry privileges, and the most basic was - "the gentry did not pay taxes." This unrecognized nobility has become the biggest enemy of the Russian Empire and all Russians. I know firsthand.

[Konnick]

Do you want to surprise someone? There is no such nation as Ukrainians, there are stupid Russians!

Lev Gumilyov has a phrase - When a Ukrainian gets smarter, he becomes Russian.

[alekseykabanets]

Quote: Konnick

When a Ukrainian gets smarter, he becomes Russian.

When a person gets smarter, he becomes a Marxist.)))))

[tihonmarine]

Quote: aleksejkabanets

When a person gets smarter, he becomes a Marxist.

I agree with the theory of Marx-Engels, but I personally support the theory of building a state according to I, V, Stalin. I probably did not grow wiser, because I remained a Stalinist.

[alekseykabanets]

Quote: tihonmarine

I agree with the theory of Marx-Engels, but I personally support the theory of building a state according to I, V, Stalin.

But didn't Stalin build the state on Marxist principles? An episode from one old film reminded me that a peasant said there, "I am for the Bolsheviks, but against the Communists.")))

[tihonmarine]

Quote: aleksejkabanets

But didn't Stalin build the state on Marxist principles?

The principles of attitude towards capitalism for Lenin and Stalin were the same and stood on Marxist positions, but the principles of building the state, Stalin were different from those listed above.

[alekseykabanets]

Quote: tihonmarine

but the principles of building a state, Stalin were different from the above.

Marx and Engels did not build a state at all, they, among other things, gave the principles for building a welfare state. Lenin began to build the state, and Stalin continued, all decisions were good in their time, both Leninist and Stalinist. Stalin also made enough mistakes, although he tried to correct them immediately, but Stalin did not correct the mistake that brought Khrushchev and the era of gradual reformation of capitalism began.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Konnick

Lev Gumilyov has a phrase - When a Ukrainian gets smarter, he becomes Russian.

You can't argue with Gumilyov.

[alekseykabanets]

Quote: razved

And provocateurs (they are also instigators) in the so-called collective West are sitting and rejoicing, rubbing their hands ...

There are plenty of them here too.

[Ulan.1812]

Quote: aleksejkabanets

Quote: razved

And provocateurs (they are also instigators) in the so-called collective West are sitting and rejoicing, rubbing their hands ...

There are plenty of them here too.

More like enough. They have activated on all resources. They probably generators in the first place.

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Quote: razved

"Lube" has a song "Russians", which contains the words "Russians are chopping Russians." This is what is happening now, and not for the first time. And provocateurs (they are also instigators) in the so-called collective West are sitting and rejoicing, rubbing their hands...

At the same time, one of the favorite songs of the Lyube team is called "After the War"
...time for love, after the war...

[DymOk_v_dYmke]

Quote: Clear

At the same time, one of the favorite songs of the Lyube team is called "After the War"
...time for love, after the war...

A meaningless song in my opinion.
Do you think she would have been accepted in 1945 in the villages, where even a third of the peasants did not return?
And some of the returnees returned crippled.

[Ulan.1812]

Quote: razved

"Lube" has a song "Russians", which contains the words "Russians are chopping Russians." This is what is happening now, and not for the first time. And provocateurs (they are also instigators) in the so-called collective West are sitting and rejoicing, rubbing their hands...

Prime Minister of Britain during the Crimean War - "how bad it is to live when Russia is not at war with anyone."

[Ulan.1812]

Quote: Ulan.1812

Quote: razved

"Lube" has a song "Russians", which contains the words "Russians are chopping Russians." This is what is happening now, and not for the first time. And provocateurs (they are also instigators) in the so-called collective West are sitting and rejoicing, rubbing their hands...

Prime Minister of Britain during the Crimean War - "how bad it is to live when Russia is not at war with anyone."

Lord Palmerston was his name.

[Clear]

Quote: Ulan.1812

Prime Minister of Britain during the Crimean War - "how bad it is to live when Russia is not at war with anyone."

Quote: Ulan.1812

Lord Palmerston was his name.

Let him ask the commander of the English light cavalry brigade, Lord Cardigan
"October 25, 1854 ... At 11:35, there were no more British soldiers left in front of the damned Muscovite cannons, except for the dead and dying..."

[Ulan.1812]

Quote: Clear

Quote: Ulan.1812

Prime Minister of Britain during the Crimean War - "how bad it is to live when Russia is not at war with anyone."

Quote: Ulan.1812

Lord Palmerston was his name.

Let him ask the commander of the English light cavalry brigade, Lord Cardigan
"October 25, 1854 ... At 11:35, there were no more British soldiers left in front of the damned Muscovite cannons, except for the dead and dying..."

He won't ask again, that Russoob Palmerston is long dead.

[Buyan]

When the chybats run out physically, the territory will be accepted

[Viktor Sergeev]

The comrade said the following: Russia must destroy Ukraine, otherwise it will be accepted into NATO. And what, he gave out his plans, spurring the desire of Russia.

[alekseykabanets]

Quote: Victor Sergeev

The comrade said the following: Russia must destroy Ukraine, otherwise it will be accepted into NATO.

And after the start of the NWO, the Russian Federation has no other alternative. Either Ukraine is in NATO or it does not exist. The only question is that for the time being the Russian Federation is conducting, to put it mildly, a Strange Military Operation. Not so much military strength is lacking, but political ones. Partners, you know.

[parusnik]

Not so much military strength is lacking, but political ones.

And here mobilization will not help and everything else. Glad to see.

[alekseykabanets]

Hello Alexey, glad to see you!

Quote: parusnik

And here mobilization will not help and everything else. Glad to see.

Well, yes, well, yes, they started to prevent Ukraine from joining NATO, and then almost a year later, "non-war" and Donetsk are also shelled, and even Belgorod, and Finland joins NATO (less than 200 km to the bases of the Northern Fleet), and Norway seems to be going there, and now here is Ukraine. Geopolitical successes are evident.)))) And how will mobilization help if they don’t want to block the arms supply channels! Their wallet is more important to them, and the people are still giving birth to women. Well, or they will bring it from Central Asia.

[Shket53]

Norway has long been in NATO, you probably confused with Sweden

[alekseykabanets]

Quote: Shket53

Norway has long been in NATO, you probably confused with Sweden

Yes, I messed up. Sorry.

[Sergey Valov]

“It is not so much the military strength that is lacking, but the political ones” - i.e. There were enough political forces to start the operation, but not enough to finish? Or maybe it is precisely the political goals, or economic ones, that have not yet been achieved???

[DymOk_v_dYmke]

Quote: aleksejkabanets

And after the start of the NWO, the Russian Federation has no other alternative. Either Ukraine is in NATO or it does not exist.

There is an alternative: an infinitely long war.
And there is Ukraine. and not in NATO.
This scenario appears to be playing out.

[alekseykabanets]

Quote: DymOk_v_dYmke

There is an alternative: an infinitely long war.

Quote: DymOk_v_dYmke

This scenario appears to be playing out.

I think so too. This is a very profitable business, for some people, both here and in Ukraine.

[Egoza]

Stoltenberg, declaring his position on Ukraine, noted that this country "may become a member of NATO after the end of hostilities."

Seriously? What will be accepted? Is there still a piece left?

[Aaron Zawi]

Quote: Egoza

Stoltenberg, declaring his position on Ukraine, noted that this country "may become a member of NATO after the end of hostilities."

Seriously? What will be accepted? Is there still a piece left?

Well, this is only the end of the b / d will show.

[Andrey Moskvin]

Moishe, how much is twice two?
How much do you need?

[Aaron Zawi]

Quote: Andrey Moskvin

Moishe, how much is twice two?
How much do you need?

Why didn't you shout "Heil" at the end of your joke?

[Andrey Moskvin]

Aaron, no offense, honestly did not understand your question.

[Aaron Zawi]

Quote: Andrey Moskvin

Aaron, no offense, honestly did not understand your question.

Yes, what are the insults after such a funny anecdote.

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Quote: Aaron Zawi

Quote: Egoza

Stoltenberg, declaring his position on Ukraine, noted that this country "may become a member of NATO after the end of hostilities."

Seriously? What will be accepted? Is there still a piece left?

Well, this is only the end of the b / d will show.

As always, Aron only has no doubts about the victory of Israel over its enemies (albeit under the leadership of the United States), and Russia must certainly lose

[Aaron Zawi]

Quote: Clear

... Russia must certainly lose

And what do you mean by the loss of the Russian Federation?

[Ser Vak]

You know, I would still understand if it was written in February. It feels like you are stuck in a space-time continuum

[DymOk_v_dYmke]

Quote: Egoza

Seriously? What will be accepted? Is there still a piece left?

Like the Vatican is enough.
44 hectares, 800 people.

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Quote: DymOk_v_dYmke

Quote: Egoza

Seriously? What will be accepted? Is there still a piece left?

Like the Vatican is enough.
44 hectares, 800 people.

But, believers in the world of the Vatican and Ukraine are incomparable.

[Kuroneko]

Someone is too much in a hurry to share the skin of an unkilled bear, joyfully jumping on it in dreams. And the bear had just begun to rage.

And those horns and hooves that remain from the boar will not be needed by any NATE for nothing.

[Hiller]

How can you accept something somewhere, something that will not be???

[Kuroneko]

Quote: Aaron Zawi

Well, this is only the end of the b / d will show.

What about your personal forecast, blue-and-white buddy? For the final outcome? Become our Kedmi even for a minute.

[Aaron Zawi]

Quote: Kuroneko

Quote: Aaron Zawi

Well, this is only the end of the b / d will show.

What about your personal forecast, blue-and-white buddy? For the final outcome? Become our Kedmi even for a minute.

My private the opinion that Ukraine, at the end of the b / d, will retain from 80 to 75% of the territory that it possessed as of 1.1.2014.

[Napayz]

It is strange that the mighty 404 will not grow new.

[Aaron Zawi]

Quote: Napayz

It is strange that the mighty 404 will not grow new.

I can't imagine such a development.

[Napayz]

Strain your imagination. On the

80-75% of the territory that it possessed as of 1.1.2014.

it was enough...

[Aaron Zawi]

Quote: Napayz

Strain your imagination. On the

80-75% of the territory that it possessed as of 1.1.2014.

it was enough...

It's not a fantasy but mine personal assessment of how b / d are going.

[Napayz]

Apparently, and even for sure, with a high degree of probability, you underestimate something.
What falls into these 25-20%?

[Aaron Zawi]

Quote: Napayz

Apparently, and even for sure, with a high degree of probability, you underestimate something.
What falls into these 25-20%?

For sure. You can't see much from the sofa. And in 20-25%, I consider the Crimea, Donetsk and Lugansk regions in their entirety and part of Kherson and Zaporozhye along the Dnieper.

[Napayz]

... and part of the Onskaya and Zaporozhye along the Dnieper.

Apparently the system does not skip the name of Xepson region))))
Why do interest rates "float"? These areas are known and unchanged.

[Chronos]

Quote: Aaron Zawi

Quote: Kuroneko

Quote: Aaron Zawi

Well, this is only the end of the b / d will show.

What about your personal forecast, blue-and-white buddy? For the final outcome? Become our Kedmi even for a minute.

My private the opinion that Ukraine, at the end of the b / d, will retain from 80 to 75% of the territory that it possessed as of 1.1.2014.

That is, the current front line will become the border?

[Aaron Zawi]

Quote: Chronos

That is, the current front line will become the border?

Not a border, but a ceasefire line. Partly along the Dnieper, and most likely the front line will apparently be moved to the borders of the Donetsk and Lugansk regions.

[opuonmed]

Putin only needs to say a few words and then all the peoples will follow neither !!!!! and say what is necessary for the peoples!

[Andrei Nikolaevich]

Stoltenberg can promise the chubats anything. He leaves soon .. And the forelocks remain ..)

[Chronos]

Quote: Andrey Nikolaevich

Stoltenberg can promise the chubats anything. He leaves soon .. And the forelocks remain ..)

Moreover, the NATO Secretary General never decides who to accept. Member States decide.

[rocket757]

Stoltenberg: Ukraine can be accepted into NATO after the end of hostilities

. Psis talker ... is not distinguished by either intelligence or ingenuity.
Although, for the most stubborn, it will do.
They showed them a carrot, now let them run after it.

[Clear]

Quote: rocket757

Stoltenberg: Ukraine can be accepted into NATO after the end of hostilities

. Psis talker ... is not distinguished by either intelligence or ingenuity.
Although, for the most stubborn, it will do.
They showed them a carrot, now let them run after it.

Really

[Napayz]

Sometimes, by "carrot" is meant ... ahem .... something else))))

[rocket757]

So it’s not for carrots, there, there are lovers ... but this is not so massive, yet, but how it will be further depends on us.

[rocket757]

Well, yes, a herd of those who want to eat, and show a carrot, there will always be those who wish, craftsmen.

[DymOk_v_dYmke]

Quote: rocket757

Stoltenberg: Ukraine can to join NATO after the end of hostilities
. Psis talker ... is not distinguished by either intelligence or ingenuity.

А can and not accept.
He is correct.

[rocket757]

The question and the series are difficult / simple ... for NATO, everything is simple, the natives are not sorry. For the natives, everything is not easy and it will be even more difficult as they ... decrease.

[Napayz]

Why [...] take 404 to NATA, if it already did everything that NAT needed, but WITHOUT OBLIGATIONS from the latter?

[katarsafebox.com]

This plan has one flaw - it is not at all a fact that Ukraine will exist after the end of hostilities.

[Guran33 Sergey]

The US leadership, represented by NATO, is doing everything so that as a result of this civil war, the concept of Ukraine disappears from political maps

[Last centurion]

And what does someone really think that this war can end with a non-military victory? There will be no agreements here, this is an existential battle of civilizations. Which will end in the death of one of them. I think those who are at the top will reach the stage of accepting this slowly - as with the attack on energy. But only after extra losses ...

[Art Pilot]

It is necessary to look at what remains of Ukraine. Maybe five western regions.

[Prisoner]

Either the carrot has withered and is being changed, or they themselves are no longer glad that they contacted these inadequate people.

[faterdom]

Something about the carrots at Stoptyberg is somehow ... flabby.

[Christian Revuelta]

There will be no Ukraine after the end of the war.

[km-21]

Stoltenberg: Ukraine can be accepted into NATO after the end of hostilities

For the donkey to step forward and pull the wagon,
an armful of hay is tied in front of his muzzle.
This is how Ukraine reaches for the bait,
to which she was not destined to reach.

[Vojvoda]

Ukraine must be forced to surrender, disarmed and declared a neutral country. What's left of her. If Ukraine does not capitulate under these conditions, it must be destroyed. Then NATO can only accept surviving cockroaches...

[evgen1221]

And they won't be able to stop. Bobby has compromising evidence on a can (remember, before the elections, calls from the prosecutor's office to Bobik), bureaucrats of all stripes actively use freebies and demand supplements,

[Jsem_CZEKO68]

Stoltenberg nechápe, že po denacifikaci Ukrajiny už nebude chtít být v NATO!!!.. bude mírová ke všem sousedním státům! Rusko nikdy nepřipustí, aby na Ukrajině byly vojenské základny USA, stejně jako USA nepřipustí Ruské základny na Kubě av Mexiku! USA mají strach jedině z Hypersonických raket s atomovými hlavicemi dopadajících na Americké města a raket z atomových ponorek Ruska u břehů USA! Díky těmto hrozbám je zatím mír.., ale jak dlouho?

[oleg-nekrasov-19]

“Ukraine should think not about NATO membership, but about preserving the state,” Stoltenberg