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Russian fighters learned how to respond to attacks from UAV drones

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Russian fighters learned how to respond to attacks from UAV drones

The Russian servicemen quickly mastered not only the tactics of attacking the UAF militants from reconnaissance drones, but also learned how to respond to similar attacks from Ukrainian drones.


The choice of adequate behavior here is not great - either try to throw away the grenades dropped from the UAV, hoping that they will not explode ahead of time, or hastily retreat from the position being hit. The British edition of The Sun published a selection of footage showing Ukrainian drones throwing ammunition at Russian fighters. There is a lightning-fast reaction of soldiers to a threat from the air - while VOGs and grenades work, the military is already finding a new shelter.

The low quality of the manufacturing of the combat filling for reconnaissance drones is also noticeable - a large delay in detonation or the failure of the fuse at all. However, it is still better to hope not for the marriage of enemy products and for the speed of reaction, but for the availability of regular means for the destruction of small-sized drones.

Perhaps there is a need to restore the sighting units that existed in the Soviet army. They were equipped with laser devices for optoelectronic countermeasures and were capable of incapacitating enemy surveillance devices.

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  1. Aerodrome
    Aerodrome 29 November 2022 16: 21
    +13
    as they said in one movie ... "if you want to live, you won't be so quick..." a person adapts to everything.
    1. credo
      credo 29 November 2022 16: 35
      +14
      Quote: Aerodrome
      Perhaps there is a need to restore the sighting units that existed in the Soviet army. They were equipped with laser devices for optoelectronic countermeasures and were capable of incapacitating enemy surveillance devices.

      Or maybe just supply each unit with anti-drone guns, which they tell us about and which are shown on TV.
      1. Sergey Aleksandrovich
        Sergey Aleksandrovich 29 November 2022 17: 03
        +18
        Rather, we need special grapeshot grenades for grenade launchers, for firing at small air targets.
        1. M_Wolf
          M_Wolf 30 November 2022 11: 57
          0
          Or what is it that gives EMP by burning all the circuits, but perhaps local action. Not a nuclear bomb.
        2. Duncan
          Duncan 30 November 2022 12: 02
          0
          VOG from a grenade launcher flies up to only 200 meters. You can get there from an AK with a collimator.
      2. mitrich
        mitrich 29 November 2022 19: 13
        -6
        What is shown on TV is for domestic consumption, not for the army. The people should rejoice at the picture and drink vodka, not sedatives, such is the task of propaganda. Dons, and at least grass does not grow there. The picture on TV and reality, as they say in Odessa, are two big differences.
        1. ilya.muromczev2013
          ilya.muromczev2013 30 November 2022 04: 18
          +5
          In fact, the pictures on TV and reality are such that most of Ukraine is sitting without electricity. And they did it with the help of the very rockets, about which quite recently some Internet scribblers shouted that they were "cartoons that propaganda shows the people to calm down." Are you by any chance one of them?
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      3. AG-76
        AG-76 30 November 2022 12: 12
        -3
        Yeah, "having no analogues in the world", released in single quantities. Like many other things...
    2. Terenin
      Terenin 29 November 2022 16: 50
      +12
      Quote: Aerodrome
      as they said in one movie ... "if you want to live, you won't be so quick..." a person adapts to everything.

      The principle of action of the Mongoose against poisonous snakes. It turns out he has no immunity against their poison. Only instant reaction, accuracy and speed of action.
  2. VitaminBF3mg
    VitaminBF3mg 29 November 2022 16: 23
    +2
    I would say self-preservation instinct
    1. Monster_Fat
      Monster_Fat 29 November 2022 23: 07
      +8
      A typical article from the category: "learned to resist, it's okay", yeah. Only now the drones throw wogs at single fighters and no one shoots them down, that is, they feel at ease on the front line and there are enough of them to chase single fighters. Moreover, some videos show a clear finishing off of wounded soldiers and there is a video where drones accurately throw grenades right into the open hatches of armored vehicles. But the sect of witnesses of the "Mighty" Khibiny "and the cowardly" Cook ", who had been raging here before, was broadcasting with all voices about the almighty means of electronic warfare of the "second army of the world", which, like an "umbrella", would cover their troops and not allow enemy drones to fly over the field combat and in general - they will "clog" all the control and guidance channels of the enemy. Well, how, I would like to ask - where is this "almighty electronic warfare"? Where is the "umbrella", then?
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  3. Boniface
    Boniface 29 November 2022 16: 28
    +3
    Guys! who fumbles?
    Will a sniper rifle "take" a drone, shoot it?
    1. vadimtt
      vadimtt 29 November 2022 16: 48
      +7
      And what, somewhere there are tables of excesses when firing vertically for SVD? laughing
      Here, rather, a good shotgun of at least 12 gauge with buckshot is needed. And then only up to a height of 40-50m will work.
      1. Cube123
        Cube123 29 November 2022 16: 56
        +1
        Quote: vadimtt
        Here, rather, a good shotgun of at least 12 gauge with buckshot is needed.

        A counter question: if the buckshot blows up the suspension, will the affected area on the ground be much larger?
        1. Sergey Aleksandrovich
          Sergey Aleksandrovich 29 November 2022 17: 05
          +3
          No, the effective destruction radius is no more than 12 m, the drone hangs much higher. Even undermining a defensive grenade at a hundred-meter height is not too terrible.
      2. Cube123
        Cube123 29 November 2022 17: 23
        +3
        Quote: vadimtt
        And then only up to a height of 40-50m will work.

        Judging by the time of the bomb drop in these videos, the flight altitude is 100-200 meters.
        1. sadam2
          sadam2 30 November 2022 00: 34
          -1
          Dgi mini 2 at 100m you will not hear or see. I drive it when I'm looking for a bear on a hunt
        2. vadimtt
          vadimtt 30 November 2022 09: 53
          +1
          Then the shotgun is useless, there will be no scree, the probability of defeat will tend to zero.
          There is only another anti-drone with buckshot - it searches itself, recognizes itself, shoots itself laughing
      3. Valnik
        Valnik 30 November 2022 05: 21
        +1
        There was such a Gatling card case. The prototype of an aircraft gun. Or Maxim paired as in the Second World War. And as for me, it’s necessary to shoot like that with a net of a strong thin thread. And of course, no one canceled the drone against the drone.
    2. Terenin
      Terenin 29 November 2022 16: 53
      +8
      Quote: Boniface
      Guys! who fumbles?
      Will a sniper rifle "take" a drone, shoot it?

      Of course, if you get there.
      Better, of course, a hunting "duckling" 8 caliber and a shot of 4 yes
    3. seregatara1969
      seregatara1969 29 November 2022 16: 56
      0
      Easily! If you see a drone! It's not hard to get in!
      1. Sergey Aleksandrovich
        Sergey Aleksandrovich 29 November 2022 17: 17
        +3
        Not exactly easy, if the drone is directly above you, then it is inconvenient. Still, you need to be a little different. And if the height is small, no more than 200 m, it is quite possible to hit a hovering drone from an AK-74 from one or two magazines.
        1. topol717
          topol717 29 November 2022 19: 35
          0
          It's easy to shoot straight up, lay on your back and shoot.
          But the drone at a distance of 100 meters you will not see.
          1. Sergey Aleksandrovich
            Sergey Aleksandrovich 29 November 2022 19: 52
            +4
            If the birds are visible from 200 m the size of rooks and pigeons, then why can't a drone be seen?
            1. topol717
              topol717 29 November 2022 19: 57
              +1
              Quote: Sergey Alexandrovich
              If the birds are visible from 200 m the size of rooks and pigeons, then why can't a drone be seen?

              The bird is not gray, and flaps its wings, but the drone does not flap anything, the eye is hard to catch. But if you look closely you can see it.
              1. Sergey Aleksandrovich
                Sergey Aleksandrovich 29 November 2022 20: 45
                +1
                It needs to be clarified. When shooting at a hovering drone, at a height of 50 m, at an angle of 45 degrees with an AK-74, the probability of hitting is about 75% with a consumption of 2 magazines, at a height of 100 m, the probability of hitting is about 40%, if higher than 150 meters, the probability of hitting is somewhere around 25 %. That would be roughly appreciated.
                Noticing a drone in time is, of course, another problem.
                1. topol717
                  topol717 29 November 2022 23: 06
                  +2
                  25% IS GENERALLY SUPER. from 100 meters I hit a large human target out of 3 bullets 1. And here the target is 3 times smaller. Well, okay, 4 rounds per UAV, this is generally SUPER, then they would not be used at all. I would say that the chance is 0.0025%
                  1. Sergey Aleksandrovich
                    Sergey Aleksandrovich 30 November 2022 07: 41
                    +1
                    What are the other 4 rounds? A 25% hit rate from two magazines means one significant hit per 240 rounds.
                    1. BastaKarapuzik And
                      BastaKarapuzik And 30 November 2022 23: 32
                      +2
                      Recently I met information, during the Second World War, for one downed aircraft, there were 800 anti-aircraft shells fired. You can shoot down with a rifle, but it’s not for nothing that they gave awards for shooting down, it didn’t work out so often.
                      And with these drones, the main problem is detection.
                      Air defense systems are not advanced to the front flank, otherwise they will be easily destroyed, artillery and MLRS cannot be intercepted.
                      This is where a zone appeared in which small drones can remain invisible and pose a danger.
          2. Valnik
            Valnik 30 November 2022 05: 23
            0
            It is seen. Good. I shot a drone while flying with a camera at a great distance.
          3. wladimirjankov
            wladimirjankov 1 December 2022 15: 07
            0
            with a collimator sight, the drone is clearly visible at 500 meters. But the most effective tool against drones is modern electronic warfare. Which, unfortunately, turned out to be not up to par and in insufficient quantity. And our vaunted air defense can do little with small-sized UAVs. The video taken from the Polish drone shows how it hangs over our TOR, but it seems that he simply does not see him and does not even try to shoot him down, trying to hide in the forest belt. But you can't hide from the thermal imager. Small-caliber 30-57 mm guns are needed, like those of the Tunguska, shell, derivation with a remote fuse of the projectile. Yes, and mobile laser systems with a power of 30-50 kW would be very useful. Peresvet was created. What prevents to make combat lasers to fight drones.
            1. topol717
              topol717 1 December 2022 19: 01
              0
              In the forest, you can hide from the infrared sensor, because the foliage and branches. But only in summer.
              And you can shoot down with a 6-barreled machine gun. and for detection, of course, either optical or infrared or radio detection (the drone emits radio waves) devices are needed.
              And you can shoot down from GSHG-7.62, because 4 barrels at 500 meters shoot without problems and the fire density of 5000-6000 per minute allows you to hit.
    4. Sergey Aleksandrovich
      Sergey Aleksandrovich 29 November 2022 17: 08
      +3
      Especially if there is a modern, so-called "smart sight" that makes a sniper out of almost every shooter.
      1. Valnik
        Valnik 30 November 2022 05: 28
        0
        Filmed drones and birds on camera. It has a built-in rangefinder for focusing. Works fast even in the next mode on the move. It remains to visit and report the distance to the anti-aircraft projectile to determine the time of detonation. High probability of defeat. Engineers have a lot to think about.
      2. vadimtt
        vadimtt 30 November 2022 09: 58
        0
        Uh, it's not the scope that makes a sniper laughing
        If you pump up an ordinary person with a beta-blocker, set him all the corrections for temperature, range and wind speed, take into account his eye-sight parallax and tell him - shoot so that this stump is under the target - he will still miss the growth line by 600m, because he will pull laughing
    5. Rustic
      Rustic 29 November 2022 17: 15
      0
      Guys! who fumbles?
      Will a sniper rifle "take" a drone, shoot it?
      Good, judging by the video - easy. But are you ready to aim the sky above you 24/7?
      1. Valnik
        Valnik 30 November 2022 05: 30
        +1
        The drone is noisy. It's time to return to sound intelligence as in the Second World War.
    6. Nyrobsky
      Nyrobsky 29 November 2022 18: 04
      +3
      Quote: Boniface
      Guys! who fumbles?
      Will a sniper rifle "take" a drone, shoot it?

      If 40-50 pellets go to a goose in a shot charge, then at least a couple of pellets will hit, but here only one bullet goes. Somehow I shot down two geese from the combo, one with a shotgun, and the second with a rifled one, but that was only once. I think the drone is a difficult target, but feasible. If you put the tracer through one, then it will be clearer which amendment to take. winked
      1. Zoldat_A
        Zoldat_A 29 November 2022 19: 26
        +1
        Quote: Nyrobsky
        If you put the tracer through one, then it will be clearer which amendment to take.

        Again - I would rather rely on the machine for this, and not on the SVD. Especially when you consider that, for example, I am not a sniper at all. I would have aimed that drone from the SVD just until it fell on my head. But with Kalash, I still think there is a chance.
        But in general - I agree with what was said above about shotguns, and I especially agree with Rustic
        Quote from Rustic
        Are you ready to aim the sky above you 24/7?
        1. Nyrobsky
          Nyrobsky 29 November 2022 21: 55
          +1
          Quote: Zoldat_A
          I would rather have hoped for an automatic machine for this, and not for SVD. Especially when you consider that, for example, I am not a sniper at all. I would have aimed that drone from the SVD just until it fell on my head. But with Kalash, I still think there is a chance.

          I agree. I, too, in hunting for this "goose" would prefer an automatic machine, but a colleague "Boniface" gave an introductory limiting its execution through the use of SVD. hi
    7. cat hippopotamus
      cat hippopotamus 2 December 2022 22: 39
      0
      A good bazooka with buckshot is better here, but an experienced shooter can shoot a target with a machine gun if the height is not more than 100m. And with a single shot, it still needs to hit a vital place.
  4. Herman 4223
    Herman 4223 29 November 2022 16: 29
    +5
    It is necessary to create means of protection against such a dangerous little thing in the air, and most importantly, that it be reliable and possible to introduce in large quantities.
    1. Grandfather Mozai
      Grandfather Mozai 29 November 2022 16: 38
      +1
      Back in June, Rostec said that anti-drone guns had proven themselves well in a special operation in Ukraine. Official representatives of Rostec note that electronic warfare systems deprive the enemy of communication: jamming mobile signals, disrupting the operation of guidance systems. In fact, they leave the troops without "eyes" and "ears". “Electronic warfare systems are also effective against Ukrainian drones. They suppress control signals, knocking down satellite navigation, ”says the state corporation.
      1. mitrich
        mitrich 29 November 2022 19: 23
        -1
        Do you believe in what they carry on zombie TV? Yes, there is a parallel reality. From Soviet propaganda, there are fewer and fewer differences. And this leads, as history has already shown, to the collapse of the regime-country-ideology. Unless, of course, she, the ideology, the current bosses have. Other than making money.
        1. vadimtt
          vadimtt 30 November 2022 09: 48
          0
          Well, a commercial drone will really "stun" such a gun, then it depends on the mind of the programmers what it will do in this case - fold the handles and flop / land or wait for the end of the interference or go home at the coordinates (do not drown out the gps from below).
          But a drone with military communications equipment definitely cannot be jammed, because there are many channels, instant random restructuring or even work in pseudo-noise mode across the entire spectrum, and this is not even taking into account the likelihood of a satellite channel, which cannot be jammed from the ground either (this is true for heavy drones, this cannot be loaded on the mavic format).
          1. stankow
            stankow 30 November 2022 22: 50
            +1
            ~~~ bottom gps do not drown out

            When bombing, the drone flies low - up to 200 m. At this distance, the GPS is jammed from any angle. The drone antenna is imperfect, it also accepts "from the rear".
            1. vadimtt
              vadimtt 1 December 2022 08: 46
              +1
              The radiation pattern of a classic compact microstrip phased antenna gps in the sector 135-225 gives up to -20 dB (and this is only in the antenna, not taking into account the electronic formation of RP according to the satellite almanac, which can give up to -90 dB for interference), this requires a lot of kilowatts, to reduce SN to obscene values.
              An electronic warfare system placed on a truck chassis will cope, but from a wearable gun - not a fact.
              Yes, and it’s not the GPS that jams the guns, but the control channels, it’s much easier, because the antenna pattern of these channels is usually displayed on the horizon and down.

              PS: If interested, you can look at an example of a simple antenna in the public domain - http://jre.cplire.ru/jre/aug12/1/text.html
              1. stankow
                stankow 1 December 2022 22: 28
                +1
                These -20 dB are offset by the transmit gain. Electron formation of zeros - only in heavy strategic drones. At the input of the GPS receiver, the signal is at the level of -165 dB, after all, it arrives from 20000 km. Muffles easily. Here, drone detection is a problem.
          2. Goto
            Goto 1 December 2022 13: 44
            0
            If you jam over the entire possible spectrum?
            1. vadimtt
              vadimtt 1 December 2022 14: 22
              0
              If you stay permanently at the nearest nuclear power plant, then you can use the full range wink
              But here it may turn out that there are inertial sensors, a magnetic compass and a barometric altimeter on board the copter. This is rough navigation, but it will be enough to move away to the side of the operator and regain control.
              1. stankow
                stankow 1 December 2022 22: 37
                0
                Management is then restored, but the attack will be thwarted. What is required wink
            2. stankow
              stankow 1 December 2022 22: 36
              0
              The GPS spectrum is narrow. Only 20 MHz around each of the three carriers L1, L2, L5.
      2. Herman 4223
        Herman 4223 30 November 2022 16: 26
        0
        The gun may jam, but first you need to detect it, the system should begin with detection systems and only then suppression and destruction. And running around with a gun, not knowing where and what flies and where to point the barrel, this is something not right
    2. fa2998
      fa2998 29 November 2022 16: 48
      +4
      In general, the army should be engaged in similar matters, training in PEACETIME. UAVs have long been invented, and have long been in service.
      And our generals have no time for everything. And now, during the war, we begin to hastily develop measures. recourse hi
  5. Grandfather Mozai
    Grandfather Mozai 29 November 2022 16: 29
    0
    We present to your attention - a tactical racket - AntiVog, available in multicam and moss colors, a special pouch as a gift!
  6. Bingo
    Bingo 29 November 2022 16: 34
    0
    It is obvious that the copters must be directed to fight. One thing is not clear - ALL civilian models have a signal "to the base" so that Mavic does not inadvertently fly where it is not supposed to. Why are they not so pressed at the front?
    1. Dmitry Rigov
      Dmitry Rigov 29 November 2022 19: 50
      0
      I think it is not possible to cover the entire front with electronic warfare, and even now the Ukrainians have launched the production of quadrocopters resistant to electronic warfare, so we need to look for other methods of struggle.
    2. Sergey Aleksandrovich
      Sergey Aleksandrovich 29 November 2022 20: 30
      +1
      Drones are reflashed before being sent to the front. Is it a secret? Another thing is that the flashing procedure is not as simple as it might seem.
      1. vadimtt
        vadimtt 1 December 2022 08: 56
        0
        The procedure is simple laughing It is difficult to make a "military" firmware out of an open firmware. From writing just one motor controller with PID regulation, you can already turn gray, well, if you want fantastic efficiency and even work from one phase in emergency mode.
  7. Cube123
    Cube123 29 November 2022 16: 38
    +1
    And such a question - the height is small, guidance over the video channel, in theory, a powerful laser pointer should blind such a drone if the pointer is right in its field of vision?
    1. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh 29 November 2022 16: 54
      0
      Two components are needed:
      1) radar for detecting and maintaining a target
      2) a laser to disable the quadrocopter.

      In this case, the system should work automatically. A person will not be able to manage it.
      The problem is the price. Both components are expensive.
      1. Cube123
        Cube123 29 November 2022 17: 03
        0
        Is not a fact. The height is not higher than 20-30 meters, otherwise you will not aim and the direction from you is vertically upwards. The fighter, however, is looking down at this time. Therefore, some kind of danger detector is needed. Sound direction finder? And it is not necessary to disable the copter, it is enough to blind.
        1. voyaka uh
          voyaka uh 29 November 2022 17: 27
          +1
          "Sound direction finder?" ///
          ---
          This idea is already being developed.
          But the sound can be detected approximately. And you have to shoot right. Optical systems have a disadvantage - a narrow angle.
          Again, without a radar, nowhere ...
      2. Zoldat_A
        Zoldat_A 29 November 2022 19: 37
        0
        Quote: voyaka uh
        2) a laser to disable the quadrocopter.

        In this case, the system should work automatically. A person will not be able to manage it.

        I remember that they caught villains who blinded aircraft pilots in the take-off and landing zone of airports with a laser pointer.
        I don't know how true. The story was shown on the news 20 years ago.
  8. Kurva18
    Kurva18 29 November 2022 16: 39
    +4
    I haven't heard about sighters for a long time, but the instruments are somewhere in the warehouses. This topic was classified as secret in the 70s and was allegedly intended to destroy the retina. There was a platoon in the regiment, but no one knew exactly what they were doing. The class is always locked up and behind bars.
  9. Old Horseradish
    Old Horseradish 29 November 2022 16: 40
    +5
    Forgive me, of course, but this is a disgrace! Do not have adequate means of combating drones. And all because whoever it depends on does not sit in the trenches under the blows of these same drones. However, nothing new.
    1. Adrey
      Adrey 29 November 2022 17: 03
      +9
      Quote: Old Fuck
      Forgive me, of course, but this is a disgrace!

      sorry laughing
      Quote: Old Fuck
      Do not have adequate means of combating drones.

      And what army of the world now has them and confidently uses them? The question is ambiguous. Having your own drones equipped and effectively fighting enemy drones is not the same thing. And not locally, as counter-terrorism measures, but as part of a global "trench" war hi
      1. voyaka uh
        voyaka uh 29 November 2022 17: 31
        +2
        You are right.
        So far, no one has effective and "budget" means of dealing with nimble and fast quadrocopters.
        Here, clearly, the "sword" overtook the "shield"
        1. warlock77
          warlock77 29 November 2022 18: 09
          +4
          How about this answer? REX-1, made by the Kalashnikov concern.
          From offsite:
          REX 1: weapons against drones
          REX 1 is an innovative development of the Kalashnikov Concern. Its main task is to prevent an intruder drone from entering a protected facility. Outwardly, the device looks like a machine gun, but it does not shoot bullets.

          A suppression unit is built into the weapon, which jams the signals of American satellite navigation GPS, Russian GLONASS, Chinese BeiDou and European Galileo within a radius of five kilometers. Also, the device is capable of blocking GSM, 3G, LTE signals at a distance of a kilometer and interfering at frequencies of 900 Mhz, 2,4 GHz, 5,2 - 5,8 GHz. Thus, REX 1 disables the drone, but does not physically damage it - the aircraft loses contact with the remote control and lands smoothly.

          To put the device on alert, just press one button. The weapon is equipped with a mounting system, so that it can additionally install sights, lights, target designators, as well as objective control devices.

          The weight of REX 1 is 4,2 kg, while the model has a built-in battery that ensures continuous operation of the device for 3 hours.
          1. Adrey
            Adrey 29 November 2022 18: 21
            +3
            Quote from: warlock77
            How about this answer? REX-1, made by the Kalashnikov concern.

            I'm wildly sorry, but why does he need a bipod? laughing
            1. ada
              ada 29 November 2022 19: 05
              +5
              Quote: Adrey
              I'm wildly sorry, but why does he need a bipod?

              Shoby did not mess up wassat
      2. ada
        ada 29 November 2022 18: 44
        0
        It is obvious that the issue is complex, organizational and technical at the tactical level and not only for ground forces.
        In fact, in the organizational part, this is a set of measures for the constant monitoring of the air with the appointment of observers in a subunit (squad - platoon), setting up air observation posts (platoon - company, battery) and organizing warnings about the threat of an air attack, even in areas that do not have a permanent the danger of an attack by an air enemy, the development and implementation of refined methods of engineering equipment for positions, including the configuration of structures, the camouflage and adaptation of suitable local objects and other features when located on the ground, the exclusion of unnecessary movements of personnel and equipment, the elimination of unmasking signs of the location and actions of troops , actions to evade a typical air attack in various types of troop actions and situations.
        And when solving a technical issue - equipping troops with specialized means of reconnaissance, guidance and destruction (neutralization) of low-flying, low-speed and small-sized vehicles for arming existing units (let's say individual devices, group weapons and reconnaissance equipment) - then this is probably the organization of direct defense from an attack by an air enemy on their own with the organization of emergency crews or their strengthening with the introduction of additional regular positions. I suppose this is already some level of military air defense and, of course, full inclusion in the warning and command and control system. A fashionable and vital word is network centric.
        In my opinion, it is quite likely to expect the emergence of new small-sized UAVs with the possibility of retrofitting with firearms, multiply charged or packaged, more maneuverable and accurate, dangerous to manpower and light equipment when operating at low altitudes and difficult to hit even at typical flight speeds.
    2. lubesky
      lubesky 29 November 2022 17: 26
      -4
      Quote: Old Horseradish
      Forgive me, of course, but this is a disgrace! Do not have adequate means of combating drones. And all because whoever it depends on does not sit in the trenches under the blows of these same drones. However, nothing new.

      Sorry. Do not tell me by chance, but who is not shameful then? Isn't it the world's number 1 super-equipped army that retreated from Afghanistan, because it never found an effective way to deal with partisan light infantry on Chinese deshman mopeds?
    3. filibuster
      filibuster 29 November 2022 17: 37
      0
      It’s a disgrace to slip for 9 months for an army claiming second place and announcing a potential confrontation with the NATO army, but I think that the Americans would have little use against such drones in this situation, they also suffered losses from such drones in Afghanistan .
    4. bairat
      bairat 29 November 2022 18: 32
      +6
      Forgive me, of course, but this is a disgrace!

      There is an excuse with drones: it’s new, until they figure it out. But connection! How could you be so rude? Who doubts this, read the journal of a signalman from Lugansk, the combat cat murz his name ..
  10. Nikolaevich I
    Nikolaevich I 29 November 2022 16: 40
    +1
    Looking through similar "vidos" more than once, you involuntarily "remember" the 7-shot "MANPADS" "Kolos"! Add an optoelectronic sighting device with a laser rangefinder ... (And at worst, it will do! wink ) ... a rocket engine using new fuel (that is, more powerful ...) with greater range and altitude ... non-contact or programmable fuse ... yes, wouldn't such a "wafer" fit ?! what And how do you like a salvo of 7 ammunition at a distance of up to 2 km? Yes, with armor-piercing up to 10 mm!? You can use cumulative fragmentation (cumulative) active-reactive grenades ...
  11. tlauicol
    tlauicol 29 November 2022 16: 43
    +2
    Why don't VOGs explode immediately? In armored vehicles, they equip with a percussion fuse
    1. Expert
      Expert 29 November 2022 20: 10
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      Because when installed on a drone, it happens that mines fall out of the drone, and quadric operators do not like this.
      1. tlauicol
        tlauicol 30 November 2022 05: 03
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        Quote: Expert
        Because when installed on a drone, it happens that mines fall out of the drone, and quadric operators do not like this.

        They love armored vehicles, but are they afraid of infantry?
  12. cpls22
    cpls22 29 November 2022 17: 12
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    M.b. parapet too loose?
    Do they have self-destruction?
  13. rocket757
    rocket757 29 November 2022 17: 13
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    Russian fighters learned how to respond to attacks from UAV drones
    . If you want to live, you won't do so... the rule is fair for everyone.
  14. grandfather_Kostya
    grandfather_Kostya 29 November 2022 17: 16
    +4
    At least over the trenches and over the BMP with open hatches, the inclined net is capable of throwing the VOG to the side.
    1. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh 29 November 2022 17: 33
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      good This is a good idea, by the way. May I help
      1. ada
        ada 29 November 2022 19: 31
        +1
        An anti-grenade net is a specific thing, you need to know exactly the properties to protect a particular object. Usually used for stationary or long-term objects. For some ammunition, including the frequently encountered RGS, an "air" explosion is possible, which is dangerous in view of its characteristics. And, here to jump out of the affected shelter, if there is time, mesh barriers can interfere.
  15. filibuster
    filibuster 29 November 2022 17: 33
    +6
    One thing I don’t understand is where all our military analysts and strategists in the General Staff were looking, because such UAVs are simply a killer thing, especially if they are equipped with programmable detonation grenades with striking elements directed downwards, since there are no overloads, no high speeds, with 150- 200 meters, such low-noise and small-sized UAVs are difficult to notice from the ground, it is difficult to hit with conventional small arms.
    And if there are still with thermal imagers and work at night, this is generally a “terrible” weapon, stupidly like a shooting in a shooting range.
    Moreover, the Armed Forces of Ukraine have been using such UAVs for 3-4 years already, and I remember how at first it was perceived with irony, and now these drones have a higher performance than a combat helicopter.
    1. bairat
      bairat 29 November 2022 18: 24
      +4
      And if you look one step ahead, then our drones should have already been flying over the trenches - fighter drones. Before the events, this caused ironic smiles, now they hide their faces, everything has nothing to do with it, they nod at each other.
    2. shtatsov
      shtatsov 29 November 2022 23: 43
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      The same feeling appeared when I watched the video of the UAV with a thermal imager.
  16. Hey
    Hey 29 November 2022 18: 29
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    I read proposals for protection against drones, there is, in my opinion, one more remedy. By the way, it already exists. Possibly expensive. Optical blinding. Designed to combat snipers, and reconnaissance of optical observation devices. In the fleet, special glare lights are installed on the BDK to blind the enemy during the landing.
    Those. use devices for blinding drones. A powerful light flux will possibly disable the camera matrix. And a glare lamp will simply clog the video channel for the operator.
    1. Dmitry Rigov
      Dmitry Rigov 29 November 2022 19: 29
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      It is doubtful that the camera certainly cannot be disabled in this way, it needs a powerful laser, and you can get rid of glare simply by using a software method. Maybe 10 years ago this would have worked. And in general, there is no point, because if he was discovered, then he had already dropped a mine and after that became useless, i.e. it is necessary to prevent the very appearance of the drone near the positions.
    2. Valnik
      Valnik 30 November 2022 05: 39
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      I sometimes take pictures in the sun and the matrix does not suffer.
  17. sledak
    sledak 29 November 2022 19: 17
    +4
    I'm embarrassed to ask, is this thing in the troops?
    [Center]
    1. cpls22
      cpls22 29 November 2022 20: 59
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      in fact, the laser, like the glare lantern, unmasks positions. The grid above the parapet is also a good guide.
      It is strange that these RGDs are not dropped from a fixed height - then they would have torn without reaching the ground. Apparently, these mavics do not have an altimeter. Although the scale of the image can be navigated.
      You can fight them only by finding them. This is the main problem.
      You can't do without a radio direction finder. One hope for anti-drone guns. Do they have a review screen? If not, then they are of little use.
  18. Duncan
    Duncan 29 November 2022 22: 32
    +2
    In my opinion, the best protection against such dropped grenades is a mesh (film) and shelter.
    Detecting a drone strictly overhead should also not be technically difficult. The cheapest solution (after observers) is a sensitive microphone with sound analysis software, then a millimeter radar.
    1. shtatsov
      shtatsov 29 November 2022 23: 46
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      And how will this microphone work during the battle? Won't go deaf?
      1. Monster_Fat
        Monster_Fat 30 November 2022 00: 18
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        In fact, detecting a drone with modern means is not a problem. For a long time there have been small-sized radars and optoelectronic scanners that detect and select any even very small drones. Moreover, these tools are really small-sized and fit perfectly into the trenches with the extension of the imaging devices. Another thing is that these are all prototypes and I have not heard that something like this was massively supplied to the troops. There is only one reason - the relative high cost and the impossibility of mass production due to the small number of enterprises that developed these devices and their lack of production capacity ..
  19. boomerang.
    boomerang. 30 November 2022 00: 09
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    Quote from dunkan
    In my opinion, the best protection against such dropped grenades is a mesh (film) and shelter.

    You need to hide if the drone is spinning. Remember some movie, where they hid in a haystack and moved around the field carrying this haystack. Now they sell such tents for animals, there are on Ali, they are called: a tent for small animals. They are made of lightweight fabric, when assembled, 22x22x2 cm. Inside, a plate keeps its shape, like a military cap. Easily unfolds and folds quickly. Under it, you will not see how a person moves his arms and legs, and you can even move around in it. It is 120x38 cm. From 6 parts of 60 cm, sitting, you can even stretch your legs. And you can throw it away, quickly leave this place. If sewn from waterproof fabric, then it will cover from snow and rain. And a children's play tent, in the same place on Ali, it is also easy to roll up. And if there are a lot of people in one place, then just keep an awning over you, if in a trench, then strengthen the awning at the top of the trench. Yes, and there is also a plastic that can even withstand a shot, it is used for glasses glasses and is called polycarbonate in construction, it is very cheap.
  20. Valnik
    Valnik 30 November 2022 05: 36
    +1
    A network of the thinnest thread but strong. Approximately 20 by 20 m square. Network over location. 4 helium balloons in the corners. When a drone appears, the balls lift the net and tangle the propellers. If the target is gone, then you can return the balls back. In the Second World War, the air defense air defense system worked this way.
  21. bravo77
    bravo77 30 November 2022 13: 53
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    most likely the musicians, the most trained contingent in the war, learned to run back. and even then at the peak of combat readiness during the execution of tasks. constantly on the alert and they will not be able to be.
    What to say about the rest of the infantry and mobiles.
  22. Murakow
    Murakow 30 November 2022 16: 41
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    I watched the video and came up with a simple idea - to use a small anti-fragmentation shield. When the FOG falls, either put the shield between themselves and the grenade, or, taking into account the fact that some fighters manage to crawl away 2-3 m, and run even further, then it is quite possible to take cover behind the shield without moving heavy protection.
  23. Eugene Zaboy
    Eugene Zaboy 1 December 2022 04: 47
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    Most likely, the same Shilka should be finalized with automatic observation and guidance systems. They that, after that, the drone will not be demolished? Of course, if the projectile is with a remote fuse, then the issue will be minimized. It is unlikely that you will have to run from drones.
  24. cat hippopotamus
    cat hippopotamus 2 December 2022 22: 34
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    And where to go, if you want to live, know how to spin. The main thing is to react in time.