American general announced the condition of the "intermediate victory" of the Russian Federation in Ukraine

The offensive actions of the Russian military in the Donbass pursue certain tactical and strategic goals. This direction can become decisive on the scale of the entire special military operation.

This opinion was expressed by the former Supreme Commander of the Joint Forces of NATO in Europe, Wesley Clark, in an interview on CNN.

A retired American general announced the main condition for Russia's "interim victory" in Ukraine. In his opinion, Russian troops can drive units of the Armed Forces of Ukraine "into a fire trap" in the Artemovsk region. And if the Ukrainian military suffers significant losses, Putin, Clark believes, will be able to force Kyiv to agree to a temporary ceasefire or even a truce.

If the Russian Armed Forces can push back the positions of the Ukrainian army until units from Kherson arrive at this site, Putin will win

- Expresses a retired military from the United States his opinion.

In addition, the ability of the Russian military to continue missile strikes on energy infrastructure and military targets for an extended period may become an important trump card for Moscow, the general believes. At the very least, this may continue for at least a few more weeks. Clark argues that at the moment Russia has everything it needs to inflict significant damage on Ukraine.

Comments

[Fisherman]

Yankee is stupid! Why do we need this "truce"? No Armed Forces of Ukraine no longer exist, these are already NATO troops with local mercenaries, so a war with NATO in a limited theater of operations means, first of all, cutting off the supply of NATO troops (most effectively along the Polish border) and taking prisoners who surrender without shells and cartridges. It is they who need a "truce" in order to restore and establish logistics, to prepare a new "meat" from the natives ... but we don't need this at all! Here, now, speed is already beginning to play an important role for us, it is no longer possible to give time for the restoration of NATO forces in the theater!

[credo]

Well, just not a day without the opinion of one or another general or politician from the NATO countries, the EU, and even the head of the church, who from time immemorial has blessed her flock for predatory and cannibalistic campaigns in the east of Eurasia, Africa and America.

The sick people began to fuss, worry about the defeat of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, grumble with saliva from the forward movement of our units, demand to throw “wood” into the fire, chip in for transformers for Ukraine, ensure a decent life for Ukrainian emigrants and not offend the Nazis, rapists and murderers who were captured by the Russian army .

It would be better if they told how they destroyed the Vietnamese and poisoned them with chemicals, bombed the Serbs with radioactive-tipped bombs, demolished cities in Iraq, staged a fratricidal war in Libya, invaded and still sit, stealing oil, in Syria, for twenty years they put "order" in Afghanistan.

[Alex777]

Quote: credo

Well, just not a day without the opinion of one or another general or politician from NATO countries

Apparently they began to "torment vague doubts" ...

[Vladimir Mikhalev]

They know it and count on it. Why ask you? 19FortyFive has one article Could Russians Take To The Streets And Fight Back Like In China that explains it all. Just a translation of the last paragraph.
It's Russia's turn to turn on dear leader
Now the ungrateful Chinese are not only protesting against the party's COVID-19 policy, but also demanding freedom. The Chinese looked prosperous, passive and peaceful.

If even such people can be unhappy enough to risk their lives to challenge Xi's harsh rule, then why not the Russians?

God knows, their sons and husbands are dying by the thousands in Ukraine. The Russian economy is shrinking, and all Putin and his henchmen can offer is send more Russians to the front as cannon fodder.

China's uprising can be crushed or bring about change. But the movement, along with the Belarusian and Iranian uprisings, shows that the authoritarian regimes of the world are in serious trouble.

In all three cases, the demonstrations were provoked by random events that angered the people. It will be Russia's turn to riot when the slow defeat of the Russian army in Ukraine sparks the fire.

That is, they will end up sacrificing everything to supply Ukraine with weapons, including new ones. Because they only want to win. That is our defeat. This article was written by Dr. Alexander Motyl, their professor of political science at Rutgers-Newark. Specialist on Ukraine, Russia, the USSR, as well as on nationalism, revolutions, empires and theory.

[credo]

They know it and count on it. Why ask you? 19FortyFive has one article Could Russians Take To The Streets And Fight Back Like In China that explains it all. Just a translation of the last paragraph.
It's Russia's turn to turn on dear leader

Don't take your place here.
Write to the Ukrainian truth and Lviv news, there you will definitely be successful.

[Vladimir Mikhalev]

Lvov will not. Because no one is anything. But from this article I sucked out that Donetsk will be shot even if we move the border away from the city. And you know why. Since the Americans will provide missiles for hamers already up to 200 km. Not a simple journalist writes, but one who participates in color revolutions. Including who planned the Maidan.

[oleg-nekrasov-19]

What is needed from Kyiv is not a "complete ceasefire", but a complete surrender, as you know, it is not the "pushing" of the enemy deep into its territory that leads to capitulations, but normal such "boilers" and "kettles". Therefore, I consider the statements of American experts unfounded, this is my personal opinion.

[rocket757]

Kukuevsky has not exhausted the resource of "cannon fodder", they can replenish the defeated units ... though with a strong decrease in combat effectiveness, weak weapons and the lack of a full-fledged reinforcement with heavy weapons, but the mass of infantry is also a serious argument, especially when it has not lost the ability, determination to lead active fighting!!!
This is what I wrote ... large "cauldrons" are forced to have a large mass of field troops, which are necessary to contain the active enemy in the "cauldrons" themselves, and no less troops to contain external pressure !!!
Partial mobilization, it is partial...
The question is ... do we have enough field troops to carry out military operations according to the classical scheme ???
I’ll clarify right away ... the topic is not mine, so I rode on top, read a lot of books and so on. Therefore I ASK, instead of I affirm.

[oleg-nekrasov-19]

I believe that four AK (army corps) of the RF Armed Forces are able to solve this problem with the support of two airborne brigades and two brigades of the MP (they are available in the theater). As for the army corps, three of them are located outside the theater of operations (on the borders of the Republic of Belarus, the Russian Federation and Ukraine) and one directly performs tasks (Zaporozhye direction). This is not counting the two AKs (LPR and DPR), which perform tasks in the areas entrusted to them. As for the assault units in various directions, they are completed from the composition of the forces and means of PMCs, the operating units of the Central Military District, the Northern Western Territory and the South Ossetia. Infrastructure and logistics in the Russian army is well-established (there are minor flaws), unlike the Ukrainian army. Therefore, with the additional involvement of AK, normal such "boilers" are quite possible

[Alex777]

Quote: rocket757

The question is ... do we have enough field troops to carry out military operations according to the classical scheme ???

In my opinion, our main problem today is the lack of secure communication. Both the fighters and the equipment. There are no repeaters.
This problem is already being solved, but it takes time.
As soon as it is resolved, at least halfway, then we will be able to attack.

[rocket757]

If you list problems that cannot be solved at the snap of a finger, that require serious costs, efforts, our industry, then ... you will beat your fingers, that's for sure.
And these problems would last forever if it were not for the anger expressed by the MAN WITH A SHOTGUN towards officials, politicians and all other "effective managers" who, in general, everything is fine, everything is in chocolate

[kor1vet1974]

And what do the French or Spanish, Portuguese generals say? Retired .. Strange, the opinion is published mainly of the American side, well ... English intelligence .. Like the truth, in the last instance ..

[Alex_mech]

American and other retired generals say a lot of things. But Russian "journalists" choose only what readers like.

[Sergey39]

Well, not so! Readers don't like peace talks on NATO terms!
A lot of Information to undermine Our unity and shake society to shift power with the destruction of the Russian Federation! (((

[your1970]

Quote: kor1vet1974

French or Spanish, Portuguese generals?

And what war did they last participate in? Who won?
The United States is at least at war, albeit with irregular troops - and these are like that, tryndet ...

[rotmistr60]

Russian troops can drive units of the Armed Forces of Ukraine "into a fire trap" in the Artemovsk region... Russia has everything necessary to inflict significant damage on Ukraine.

And if you listen to Austin and Wallace, it’s just right for Russia to raise its hands, and ask the Anglo-Saxons: “What do you want?” There is no doubt that the Arctic fox will eventually come to the Armed Forces of Ukraine.

[Boniface]

Author! - Yankee's photo could have been inserted into the article in a smaller size!

[Ulan.1812]

A truce is beneficial only to the Kyiv junta and their masters.

[Alex_mech]

That is why talks are often spoken about from the Kremlin. And from Kyiv, only "negotiations will begin after the withdrawal of troops." You can count for yourself who and how many times spoke about "negotiations without preconditions" from the Russian side.

[Ulan.1812]

Quote from: Alex_mech

That is why talks are often spoken about from the Kremlin. And from Kyiv, only "negotiations will begin after the withdrawal of troops." You can count for yourself who and how many times spoke about "negotiations without preconditions" from the Russian side.

Yes, I already counted, and not only me, but everyone in VO.
Everyone expresses bewilderment with such statements.
Confusion is to put it mildly.
It’s just right to joke sadly that Zelensky will not negotiate and force our government to fight until our Victory.

[Alex_mech]

Zelensky is not negotiating for the reason that he is in a better position than he was 9 months ago. And every month the position of Ukraine is improving (trained units are arriving, new batches of weapons are arriving, financial assistance is growing), and Russia is getting worse ..., oh, of course, officially, according to the Ministry of Education. improving .... just the opposite.

[Sergey39]

Well, you screwed up! This is a lie, about the Kremlin!
Lavrov, said, negotiations, only on the terms of the Russian Federation!
You! Can't read between the lines!

[spirit]

If the Russian Armed Forces can push back the positions of the Ukrainian army until units from Kherson arrive at this site, Putin will win

Another "stupid retiree". Did this General even see the front line? The crescent-shaped bend itself gives Ukraine advantages in the operational transfer of its units anywhere and quickly (the bridges are standing). Here, as in 1918, the front will collapse only when the entire control system staggers , and before that the story will be like this: Ypres, Verdun, Marne 2.0, for years

[laws70]

so the story will be: Ypres, Verdun, Marne 2.0, for years

This is if the supply of the Armed Forces of Ukraine continues at the same pace and in the same volumes.

[rocket757]

If the Russian Armed Forces can push back the positions of the Ukrainian army until units from Kherson arrive at this site, Putin will win

. Why do they think that near Kherson, the Svidomo have such forces left that moving them somewhere will change the overall strategic situation???
can someone explain that Svidomo have such forces there that I will crush everyone and win???

[Mikhail Sidorov]

Why do they think that near Kherson, the Svidomo have such forces left that moving them somewhere will change the overall strategic situation???

They are specifically trying to disperse the panic in our country and once again present it as a great victory of the 404th. And by the way, now having calmed down emotions after our retreat from Kherson. It's actually a very well done performance. Certainly will be included in the textbooks on military science. This is over 30 thousand personnel, the personnel army is the elite. This is over 3 thousand pieces of equipment. It's not like in the Kharkiv region. Hohlov has very few trophies and those are rather dubious. According to their videos.

[Ulan.1812]

Quote: Mikhail Sidorov

Why do they think that near Kherson, the Svidomo have such forces left that moving them somewhere will change the overall strategic situation???

They are specifically trying to disperse the panic in our country and once again present it as a great victory of the 404th. And by the way, now having calmed down emotions after our retreat from Kherson. It's actually a very well done performance. Certainly will be included in the textbooks on military science. This is over 30 thousand personnel, the personnel army is the elite. This is over 3 thousand pieces of equipment. It's not like in the Kharkiv region. Hohlov has very few trophies and those are rather dubious. According to their videos.

This truly digression is carried out brilliantly.
I would like the offensive to be just as brilliant and with a minimum of losses.
This is, of course, if the Kremlin is going to return Kherson, Izyum and other lost territories.

[Sergey39]

Kherson, according to the constitution of the Russian Federation, Our territory!
We will return everything and more!)))

[rocket757]

Welcome
What can I say... The information war is in full swing, the enemy spares no effort and means.
It is unlikely to say that they completely own this battlefield, but it is necessary to increase our efforts in this direction as well.
If you look back in history, it becomes clear that the endless streams of lies have not yet allowed anyone to win, for no reason and unconditionally.
Time always puts everything in its place.

[faterdom]

There is such a section - how much will arrive, so much will decrease. Though from under Kherson, even from under Londana.
So, let them come, preferably more Poles and Englishmen - the black soil will be fatter, the crops will be better.
And not Putin will win, but Russia, there is no need to distort concepts - you didn’t run into Putin, you decided not to make Russian people.
And this is a fundamental question, and we'll see who the nonhumans are here.

[rocket757]

By the way, an interesting question ... there are many publications that the arsenals of NATO countries have become very empty and they themselves, if sho, will have nothing to fight with!
Who allowed this? More recently, even thinking about it was fraught, in all respects ...
You can put forward many versions / assumptions, but where is it ... if not the truth, then at least something nearby?

[Alex_mech]

Yes, everything is so, there is absolutely nothing to fight with, another day or two and NATO will give in and "collect the belongings." yeah

[rocket757]

So to drive misinformation, it has become so familiar ... that is, a giraffe, he is tall, he probably knows better from above.

[Leader_Barmaleev]

There is a state of Malawi on this globe with the capital Lilongwe. There are 15 libraries throughout the country, but there is no army. I wish I could hear the opinion of a retiree from this country... SARKASM!

[I dare to_notice_]

What's on the mind of a sober man is on Clark's tongue.

[iouris]

"Intermediate victory" - how is it? My brain is wired differently. I don't understand!

[svoroponov]

Troops from near Kherson may arrive to strengthen the front line, but what will happen if, immediately after arrival, re-offensive measures begin in the south? That's right, they will have to be urgently returned back. And this is time, resources and additional losses. Yes, and battered Ukrainian troops near Kherson thoroughly even before the withdrawal of ours. So this transfer will not play a special role for the Ukrainians.

[Alex_mech]

In what kind of south? Where are you going to attack there, force the Dnieper or something?

[svoroponov]

You can not attack, but imitate preparation. In any case, the Ukrainian command will be forced to do something. And start building up the grouping there in a new way or stop the transfer of troops -
will press, What if?,,

[Alex_mech]

It will be obvious that these are distractions. To be plausible, you need to catch up with a bunch of engineering equipment. I can't even imagine how many. So many pontoons probably do not even exist.

[Altmann]

I guess. that the Russian army will be able to defeat Ukraine in 14 days in a classic way. It will cost a lot of blood. Kyiv will turn into ashes, and the country's infrastructure will be completely destroyed, and with it the people. Russia will win and gradually so that Kyiv falls to its knees, and Zelensky kneels and kisses the hand of General Surovik with a request for surrender .. This is how I imagine victory. Odessa is still here.

[Metallurg_2]

No temporary truces. Crush the bastards to the last.
And in particular, do not spare the juvenile degenerates who ziguet against the background of black and red ensigns and portraits of Stefan Poppel. For if you let them grow, they will go "to visit the damned Muscovites."

[Sailor]

We cannot lose this war from the word "ALL"! The existence of the country is at stake! And we must take the entire "outskirts" (maybe only without the western regions). During the truce, the West will bring even more equipment and its "vacationers" and other rabble there! Then we definitely won't fight back.

[PC]

We will fight back, but at what cost? No truces.

[Alex_mech]

I remind you whose words you are discussing. The specialist-general said in the spring "... a quick defeat of Ukraine within two to three weeks." Listen to Clark often, he says what you like.

[PC]

There should be no truce. In no case should Zelensky be given a break.

[Petr_Koldunov]

When Clarke says something about Russia, one must always think: what benefit does he want to derive from this?