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The new government of the Netherlands has postponed the decision on the purchase of fighter F-35 "Lightning-2"

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The new government of the Netherlands has postponed the decision on the purchase of fighter F-35 "Lightning-2"

The new ruling coalition 29 of October formed in the Netherlands following the September elections reached an agreement that the decision to acquire new fighters for the country's air force would be postponed until the year of 2014.

In addition, as Defense-aerospace.com reports, defense expenditures will be frozen at the current level until 2017.

The new government of the country will be formed by the People’s Party for Freedom and Democracy (41 seat) and the Labor Party (38 seats) that won the majority of seats in the country's parliament after the September elections. Next week, the composition of the new cabinet must be submitted for approval by the Queen.

The coalition agreement signed by the parties states that the initial plans for replacing F-16 with new F-35 are not feasible without changing the priorities of the defense budget.

To this end, the ruling parties agreed to reassess the Netherlands’s defense tasks and, based on an analysis of the data obtained, decide on the purchase of new fighters. The coalition plans to complete a review by the end of 2013, to evaluate alternatives in 2014, and to sign a contract for the purchase of new fighters in 2015.

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A recent analysis by the Court of Accounts of the Netherlands (Algemene Rekenkamer) of the cost of purchasing F-35 Lightning-2 fighters indicated that the BN euros initially allocated for the 4,5 project would not be enough to acquire the planned 85 fighters. Accordingly, in case of refusal to increase costs, their number should be reduced. This can lead to problems when fulfilling the country's commitments to NATO.

The participation of the Netherlands in the F-35 initial testing and evaluation program will remain unchanged. In 2009, the Government of the Netherlands issued a financing grant of € 1 million for the purchase of the first F-113,2 test aircraft in the amount of € EUR million. To date, two test samples have been ordered for the Netherlands Air Force. The total cost of the two F-35 was 35 million euros.

As part of evaluating alternatives, the coalition also agreed to begin an Operating and Support (O&S) analysis of other fighters that could replace the F-35. This analysis will be carried out at the request of the Ministry of Finance.

Separately, it is planned to investigate how the planned O&S costs for 85 F-35 fighters increased from 2,9 billion euros in 2001 to 14,2 billion euros this year, and for what reason the parliament was not informed about this fact.
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  1. Норд
    Норд 31 October 2012 18: 48
    +5
    Damn, how much does this flying miracle cost? According to my conservative estimates, the price for it has risen to 4 since the beginning of development !!! times. I think this is not the limit.
    Oh, and tightly star-striped hold for the causal place of tulip lovers if they swallow such noodles ...
    1. sir.jonn
      sir.jonn 31 October 2012 19: 01
      +2
      Quote: Nord
      so how much does this flying miracle cost?

      So many tulips in several generations of the Dutch can not be grown.
      1. predator.2
        predator.2 31 October 2012 22: 30
        0
        Why the hell would the Dutch have such planes, and the army in general, if they really don't know how to fight, for example, in the 90s. in Yugoslavia, theirs "peacekeepers" abandoned their positions and fled when the Serbs approached, I'm not talking about World War II!
    2. crazyrom
      crazyrom 31 October 2012 19: 22
      +3
      Quote: Nord
      Damn, how much does this flying miracle cost?

      One of the most recent prices was 120 million apiece, which is already close in F22. The calculation was, as it were, for "a lot of cheap and good fighters" and it turns out "very few very expensive ducks" I explain: a duck flies and swims, but both do shitty.
      1. Pimply
        Pimply 31 October 2012 19: 29
        +2
        The amounts you name are for the small series
        1. Wedmak
          Wedmak 31 October 2012 19: 31
          +6
          Something surrenders to me while they finish it up to large-scale production - either the donkey will die, or the king ...
          1. Sergh
            Sergh 31 October 2012 19: 55
            +3
            Quote: Pimply
            The amounts you name are for the small series

            As I understand it, if the Dutch are registered for the queue in the early contract, then the tariffs are negotiated in advance for all 85 cars and should be fixed regardless of the party. If they gave away € 276 million for a couple, then they put in differently € 138 million apiece, and even a test sample, where there is no ammunition or conscience. Amers threw them through the bolt. But the Jews, however, are more expensive than bucks after all. We consider ...
            1. Pimply
              Pimply 1 November 2012 12: 27
              -1
              Oh, well, do not go broke. Nowhere is it indicated that tariffs are set in advance. This is from the fourth series, only they went in this form. It’s just that now there is an ordinary political brawl for the military budget. And the F35 is one of the most expensive items, like any aircraft in principle
        2. TS3sta3
          TS3sta3 31 October 2012 20: 56
          +4
          the more refusals to purchase f-35, the smaller the series, the higher the cost of producing each ash ... of an airplane, the higher the cost, the higher the price, the more refusals to purchase f-35, the less series, the higher ..........
    3. Eraser
      Eraser 31 October 2012 19: 40
      +3
      Lockheed says that "Unit cost said on track to reach $ 67 mln by 2018", meaning the unit price is moving towards $ 67 million in 2018. And what are your conservative estimates? smile
      1. ikrut
        ikrut 31 October 2012 21: 57
        +2
        So in 18, the Dutch will not be able to buy 85 lightning with their money. Maybe somewhere by the year 2050 the price drops so that there is enough money?
        1. Eraser
          Eraser 1 November 2012 10: 13
          0
          4.5 billion euros / 85 = 53 million euros per plane * 1,3 = 68 million dollars. That is more or less enough money.
  2. Melchakov
    Melchakov 31 October 2012 18: 53
    0
    Is there a new government in the Netherlands? Why didn’t they warn me?

    ...somewhere overseas...
  3. sir.jonn
    sir.jonn 31 October 2012 18: 55
    +2
    They do not need a redesigned Yak-141 with a price tag for a 5th generation aircraft.
  4. davoks
    davoks 31 October 2012 19: 06
    +2
    in general, with production costs, the price always rises. Soon, he will catch up with the F-22 at a price, while in terms of performance characteristics it will never reach him
  5. Edward72
    Edward72 31 October 2012 19: 08
    +4
    And why do they essentially need this expensive miracle, though let them grow tulips, brew beer. And a little something will give up right away, history has verified
    1. Bashkaus
      Bashkaus 31 October 2012 20: 49
      +1
      So it seems to me that it is cheaper to grow tulips, even if someone attacks, it is easier to meet a tank with the words "Peace be with you!" and stick tulips in the trunks. You look at the tanker to break through))
    2. TS3sta3
      TS3sta3 31 October 2012 20: 59
      +1
      who needs them to capture
    3. ikrut
      ikrut 31 October 2012 21: 59
      +3
      They do not need these F-35s. They need NATE (or the United States) to constantly bow. For life are required. And it is not discussed.
      1. TS3sta3
        TS3sta3 31 October 2012 22: 10
        +1
        Yes, it’s NATO - thieves raspberries, and the United States - godfathers, Europe - sixes, and they are fighting for drugs and oil so that it’s in the common lava, and it’s common in the USA, and sixes should ...
        1. View
          View 31 October 2012 23: 26
          0
          fuuuuu .... how not cultural
          1. TS3sta3
            TS3sta3 1 November 2012 13: 47
            0
            nothing can be done, this is NATO ...
  6. Lord of the Sith
    Lord of the Sith 31 October 2012 19: 26
    +1
    Where is our aviation specialist, and why is he silent on such topics?
    1. Bashkaus
      Bashkaus 31 October 2012 21: 04
      +5
      Why say anything? You can find these same Netherlands on the map without a magnifying glass? fuck goat button accordion? No, I mean, this ... country with an area of ​​41.526 km2 and a population of 17 ml needed 87 aircraft of the 5th generation F35? What are they going to do with them? Russia (which has oil as dirt) plans to start with just 60 T-50s objectively.
      I have only one answer to these complex questions:
      1-The Netherlands is buying expensive planes for its money, which ensures the workload of the American military-industrial complex - the goal, in principle, is noble.
      2-Since the guys bought such a large number of these aircraft, it’s not a sin for them now to work as American cannon fodder, but why should the aircraft stand in vain?
      It turns out just like in a joke, where the English, French and Russian argued who would make the cat eat mustard. The Englishman persuaded her, persuaded her, by no means. The Frenchman beat her and scared her, either. Russian smeared her ass with mustard, which naturally squealed and licked. And the Russian proudly says: you see, voluntarily and with songs)))
      1. Lord of the Sith
        Lord of the Sith 31 October 2012 21: 28
        +2
        I had a rhetorical question, that person likes to panic and upload beautiful photos of THEIR airplanes, he also uploads ours, but with other comments.
        1. Bashkaus
          Bashkaus 31 October 2012 22: 10
          0
          You see, but I’m not rhetorically pinned at all, I still can’t let it go. I can imagine where they will place them, they probably have no airfields (
      2. davoks
        davoks 31 October 2012 22: 53
        +1
        this is not the 5th generation. 4+ it, but at the price of the 5th. And it says there - It can lead to problems by doing country obligations to NATO. Here they’re buying a bird
      3. View
        View 31 October 2012 23: 22
        +1
        Well Duc the article says: "commitment to NATO"

        Europeans are now massively rushed to disarm. Only obligations to NATO somehow restrain them, so as not to sell everything to all sorts of Papuans laughing

        The Dutch recently tried to fuse their Indonesia’s tanks, but thank God, people’s rights are not respected there, now in Holland there are at least a few tanks smile
  7. tambu
    tambu 31 October 2012 19: 48
    -1
    Well, the people said: there is no trash on our earth for such grandmothers ... they were promised that everything would be decided after the elections ... it will be promised to us and then the people and those who promised will forget ...
  8. Bosk
    Bosk 31 October 2012 20: 33
    +2
    If you think really ... then such a tricked fly is not necessary for them, what will they do with it?, They’re fighting like nothing .... well, if you pollinate tulips ..., most likely they calculated how much they would throw into the wind ... that's head turned on!
    1. Sergh
      Sergh 31 October 2012 21: 34
      +3
      Quote: Bosk
      If you think really

      Yes, I also realized that it only dawned on the Dutch that they were in a big shit, that they had a whole golden phone, which they could use to blow off dust besides dust. I think now customers around the world will begin to suffer the simulator, to find any reason and refuse completely. Incidentally, this is already happening among the Japanese and Australians and seems Italians (as a keepsake).
      1. Retx
        Retx 1 November 2012 12: 18
        +3
        So in 2008, according to rumors on a simulation of the battle of Su 35 with F 35, the newly-minted miracle miserably lost ... This is all at the rumor level, of course, but how does the F35 turn out to be a huge project for cutting American dough, how much money has already been poured into it? Doesn't it seem strange?
        PS friends, before putting a minus, with the argument in the US there is no corruption, read about the costs of air conditioning in the NATO army laughing
        1. TS3sta3
          TS3sta3 1 November 2012 13: 57
          +1
          only America's put cons on such comments here ... one has already been banned here, because uniform inadequate. and on the account of Su-35 and f-35 these are not rumors, the Australians did conduct test fights between drying and efte (felts with mathematical, felts of virtual simulation), as a result, the Australian Defense Ministry in horror refused to buy this miracle (cut, rollback, copy and only last but not least production) of North American machinery.
    2. View
      View 31 October 2012 23: 23
      +1
      From the 35s they will spray tulips from pests bully
      1. Bosk
        Bosk 1 November 2012 21: 03
        0
        F-35 ... this is more likely not a technical project, but an economic one. So the weak links begin to crack!, And as for the quality, it’s impossible to just swell dough into the air ..., most likely the machine will turn out to be good, but is it worth it?
  9. AI
    AI 31 October 2012 21: 26
    +1
    Most likely they will be forced to buy, but for me this is complete nonsense, 85 fighters for such a small country. They really have nothing to do, for example, to spend this amount on peaceful technology. There is nothing to be afraid of Holland, they are in the center of Europe, everywhere are their own, and the evil Russia and China are far
    1. ikrut
      ikrut 31 October 2012 22: 11
      +1
      The Dutch need only be afraid of rising sea levels (melting of Antarctica, etc.). But here the F-35, probably, will not help much. At least 85, at least 850.
  10. Cat
    Cat 31 October 2012 22: 01
    +4
    Historically, most of the military equipment that the United States sells abroad is bought with loans issued by the United States itself for the purchase of this particular equipment. Moreover, it is not so easy to refuse a loan to a buyer, politically or otherwise. So in this case, there may be something similar - if not a direct loan, then an option like "Do you want this and that? No problem, but only if you buy these airplanes from us."
    Plus, the nuance that the need to purchase Lightnings is not discussed by the military with an eye to the country's defense capabilities, but by deputies in the process of creating a parliamentary coalition - this, as they say, hints.
    Well, and another hint regarding the usefulness of this aircraft: F-22, which unlike the F-35 clearly refers to the 5th generation - for some reason the amers do not sell for export. Generally nobody. Neither on credit nor for cash.
    1. sv-sakh
      sv-sakh 1 November 2012 07: 42
      +1
      F-22 and does not fight ... it’s generally the naked king, everyone sees that he is naked, that everything is a farce and deceit, but in order not to pass for ignorance, they continue to extol the wonderful outfits of the naked king ...
      1. Eraser
        Eraser 1 November 2012 10: 10
        -1
        But the Su-27 fought a lot? And what about the military successes of the MiG-29? And when was the last air battle involving the US Air Force? And what exactly is farce and deceit?
        1. Retx
          Retx 1 November 2012 12: 07
          +2
          Yugoslavia, 99. The farce and deception is that during the exercises the jambs of the adopted Raptor come up.
          1. Eraser
            Eraser 1 November 2012 12: 59
            -1
            Yugoslavia 99, this is the last air battle of the US Air Force, the F-22 only then passed the tests, with whom did he fight, and the combat use of the MiG-29, with a deplorable result. And from the jambs, as far as I know, there are only problems with the suit which resolved, because of this, talk about farce and deceit, in my opinion, too much
            1. Arkan
              Arkan 1 November 2012 15: 22
              0
              You are not right about Yugoslavia - the MiG-29, there, fought quite worthy (despite the fact that they were exported and quite old vehicles). The Air Force and Air Defense (Yeltsin S-300 never sold them) Yugoslavia basically confront the forces of the alliance, the forces were too unequal.
              Quote: Eraser
              And from the jambs, as far as I know, only problems with the suit that is solved, because of this, talk about farce and deceit, in my opinion, too much

              There are much more "shoals" there, but that is not the point - the F-35 was positioned as a "good and cheap" aircraft, but look at its cost now ... (speaking of deception - this is what is meant.). why the F-22 does not fight - this plane, from one serious breakdown to another, flies on average for an hour and a half (the cost and complexity of its combat use alone will make anyone think), well, and tradition is the first combat use of new technology in the United States , as a rule, ends with various curiosities (either the American pilot will launch a new anti-radar missile at the American cruiser, or the newest "invisibles" cannot get into the army barracks in Panama ...), I think - not a desire to "fall face down in the mud" is also present (after all, we are talking about an aircraft whose anti-radar coating can wash off the rain).
            2. sv-sakh
              sv-sakh 2 November 2012 06: 41
              0
              After the adoption of the F-22, there were many conflicts with the participation of the United States, in how many of them took part F ???
              Not comparing with our machines, but generally speaking about the combat ability of a machine ...
  11. basal
    basal 31 October 2012 22: 14
    +1
    The funny thing is that no one mentions their own, relatives, European Union Eurofighter and Rafal! It would seem that we need a new fighter, take off, develop and produce on our own. The benefit of the aircraft industry in France, Germany and England is still fluttering. And the Swedes still rest against their fighters. I do not believe that the Germans and the French are able to do worse aircraft than Amers. And no one even thinks to move the overseas uncle!
  12. suharev-52
    suharev-52 31 October 2012 22: 41
    0
    At this stage, no one has listed, will not reread, and will not. They will obediently carry out the will of Uncle Sam, if only in Europe there will be a tear and then there will be nothing. Sincerely.
  13. Slevinst
    Slevinst 1 November 2012 08: 38
    -1
    now postponed the purchase and then buy t50
  14. gor
    gor 1 November 2012 23: 02
    0
    and for me, the f-35 will be a very unpleasant surprise for many. The states have always been a kind of pioneer of aviation and thinking that a lockheed incompetent company is ugly. And all these tales to the Americans’s hand are that the plane is tuft. If Israel is ready to buy this plane, then believe me this plane is worth it
    1. basal
      basal 2 November 2012 14: 19
      0
      Do you seriously think that the USA is a pioneer of aviation? Did they tell you this in Hollywood? To study, study and study again, as bequeathed ... (who bequeathed something?) laughing
      1. Blat
        Blat 2 November 2012 15: 43
        0
        in any case, the first flying instance appeared in the states. the Wright brothers, if I am not mistaken in 1903, made their first separation from the earth. There was also a man in the image of whom the aviator made the film, if you remember. even being in the mausoleum
        1. Belo_ticketnik
          Belo_ticketnik 5 November 2012 16: 00
          0
          What does a good or bad aircraft mean? I understand that you need an aircraft that for the money would do its job better than anyone in its class for the money. f35 already exists ... then time will judge whether he is worth his money and the tantrums that constantly suit him.