US press citing the Pentagon: Ukrainians shoot extremely intensively, falsely believing that the arsenals of ammunition in the West are limitless

Ukrainian reporters have increased the number of reports that talk about the critical situation for the Armed Forces of Ukraine in Bakhmut (Artyomovsk).

Ukrainian journalist Victoria Khamaza writes that in the last two days alone (last weekend) about 500 wounded servicemen of the Armed Forces of Ukraine left Bakhmut. Some got out on their own, most needed to be evacuated.

Hamaz:

The flow of wounded from Bakhmut does not stop.

At the moment, Russian troops continue to systematically advance in Artyomovsk, freeing street after street. The main part of the industrial zone of this city, turned by the Armed Forces of Ukraine into a key defense center, is already under the control of the fighters of the Wagner group.

A separate report from Artyomovsk was published by the American edition of The New York Times.

American journalists write that hundreds of wounded Ukrainian servicemen are being taken out of the city, as "the Russians have significantly increased the intensity of the offensive in the past few days." The material says that the situation in Bakhmut (Artyomovsk) has become extremely difficult for the Ukrainian army, however, Russian troops also suffer losses during the offensive.

From NYT material:

Ukrainian soldiers say that the shelling from the Russian side is coming with unprecedented force. They say that the front line now looks like a dirty lunar landscape.

It is reported that the Ukrainian command brought reinforcements to the city in the form of several territorial defense units and special forces units. However, the situation requires the transfer of more and more forces and means, which, as noted, turns the city into a "real funnel".

NYT:

Russia can turn Bakhmut into a resource-intensive black hole for Kyiv, which will have to pull in more and more troops from other directions.

The publication, citing a Pentagon employee, writes that the US Department of Defense is concerned about the intensity with which Ukrainians spend ammunition in the same Artyomovsk:

They are firing extremely hard, based on the misconception that the arsenals of ammunition in the West are limitless.

Earlier, a number of Western media published reports on the frequent failure of the delivered to Ukraine weapons due to the fact that the Armed Forces of Ukraine are firing from it, releasing the prescribed limits of ammunition in a couple of weeks.

Comments

[Buyan]

And why are they silent where they shoot? Why don't they say that they beat and beat on peaceful cities? Scoundrels...

[credo]

This is how it turns out that the highly developed and bright-faced Anglo-Saxons defined the war as measured fratricide and a long-playing record, which at a certain time will pause, for dinner, eight hours of sleep and light pastime in mobile brothels, and these unwashed and dumb-headed natives are cut day and night , turning the kindly provided murder weapon into the trash in a couple of weeks.

As far as one can understand the intention of the Anglo-Saxons, the war (or wars) should last forever, the main thing is not on their territories.

[ARIONkrsk]

If the Ukrainians are shooting intensively, then more attention should be paid to ammunition depots.

[solar]

a number of Western media issued reports ... releasing the prescribed ammunition limits

what kind of limits are these? Are they coordinated with the enemy?
And if the limit is used up, and the enemy is advancing, what do they do in this case?

[tralflot1832]

They continue to shoot or molt from positions. But judging by how we are advancing, the VSU continues to shoot from everything that is available.

[Nyrobsky]

Quote from solar

a number of Western media issued reports ... releasing the prescribed ammunition limits

what kind of limits are these? Are they coordinated with the enemy?
And if the limit is used up, and the enemy is advancing, what do they do in this case?

This refers to the operating time on the barrel before replacing it. If, for example, 5 thousand shots are put on the barrel, then banderlogs hit a double rate, as a result of which range and accuracy suffer, moreover, if, according to the experience of the war in Iraq or Afghanistan, this limit was beaten out by mattresses in a year, then banderlogs in two weeks. In a word, you can’t stock up on shells or barrels.

[PSih2097]

Quote: Nyrobsky

This refers to the operating time on the barrel before replacing it. If, for example, 5 thousand shots are put on the barrel, then banderlogs hit a double rate, as a result of which range and accuracy suffer, moreover, if, according to the experience of the war in Iraq or Afghanistan, this limit was beaten out by mattresses in a year, then banderlogs in two weeks.

not only that, but the number of rounds per minute also plays a role, if the Americans fire 2-3 rounds per minute, then the Ukrainians are all 10 ...

[solar]

If, for example, 5 thousand shots are put on the barrel, then banderlogs hit a double rate

so I ask, what kind of norm is this and what to do if the enemy continues to advance, but the norm has already been exhausted?

This refers to the operating time on the barrel before replacing it.

If the barrel is to be replaced, then it is subject either after one limit or after two.

if, according to the experience of the war in Iraq or Afghanistan, this limit was knocked out by mattresses in a year

and it does not depend on the intensity of hostilities?
Yes, and they did not fight for a year. In Iraq in 90-91 the war was half a year, in 2003 it was one month. In Afghanistan, two months.

[Nyrobsky]

Quote from solar

so I ask, what kind of norm is this and what to do if the enemy continues to advance, but the norm has already been exhausted?

Well, we have decided on the norm, and as for the second part of the question - "What to do?", then in the absence of the possibility of a replacement, the only thing left is to use what is for its intended purpose, but at the same time keep in mind what is required to hit the target no longer 1-2 shells, but 4-6.

Quote from solar

and it does not depend on the intensity of hostilities?

A strange question, from the category - "Is green green" or "oil oil" ?. Well, after all, you have already been told that this depends on the intensity of the b / d.

Quote from solar

Yes, and they did not fight for a year. In Iraq in 90-91 the war was half a year, in 2003 it was one month. In Afghanistan, two months.

There, at the beginning of the comment, it is written for you - "for example" i.e. with the intensity that was in Iraq or Afghanistan, they would need a year, and banderlogs with their intensity of shooting only a couple of weeks.

[Metal bro]

Well, if, for example, a machine gun or a knife is broken, what should I do? Also with more sophisticated technology.

[grandfather_Kostya]

And if the limit is used up, and the enemy is advancing, what do they do in this case?

The seconds (stars and stripes) separate the duelists by 20 steps and give each of them a new pistol with one bullet (well, ideally...).

[solar]

judging by what the media is talking about "limits", then it is so

[rocket757]

US press citing the Pentagon: Ukrainians shoot extremely intensively, falsely believing that the arsenals of ammunition in the West are limitless

. Well, well, miser ... send more and do not write.

[Mouse]

Quote: rocket757

Well, well, miser ... send more and do not write.

where you get the Ukrainians are not interested .... take it out and put it!!!

[rocket757]

They raised it themselves...
They don’t want to know the nuances, they expected that everything would be as written by them ... naive Albanian guys, what else can be said.

[Mouse]

Quote: rocket757

hoped that everything would be as written by them ...

it was smooth on paper.... but then something went wrong....

[rocket757]

Ha, how can they understand this ... I won’t eat the mustache, but I’ll bite the mustache!
You can give other examples, it doesn't matter, they won't understand it.

[saved]

Pentagon: Ukrainians are shooting extremely intensively, falsely believing that the arsenals of ammunition in the West are limitless "---
They are the ones who lull us to sleep, because the military-industrial complex of the states is happily rubbing their hands from new orders.

[APASUS]

It's not about the number of shells, the Ukrainians are doing everything right. The point is to support the Ukraine project. If the West needs it, they will leave the whole of Europe without shells, they will rake out all the reserves to 0.

[aszzz888]

US press citing the Pentagon: Ukrainians shoot extremely intensively, falsely believing that the arsenals of ammunition in the West are limitless

They whined. NWO will gut all the gay European art arsenals. Yes, and the merikatos was pinched thoroughly. Although it is Merikatos who will profit from this.

[single-n]

Yes. They melted junk at cosmic prices. Otherwise, these shells would have to be disposed of in 5-10 years.

[Vladimir Mikhalev]

The fact that they shoot is clear. But if the shells run out, they will present it again.

[rotmistr60]

The flow of wounded from Bakhmut does not stop.

You still count the dead and be surprised much more.

Russia can turn Bakhmut into a resource-intensive black hole for Kyiv, which will have to pull in more and more troops from other directions.

If the Ukrainian side is already forced to draw more and more forces there, then the "funnel" has started working and not in favor of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. But it turns out that the Americans are more interested not in losses that they have no reason to worry about (not their own), but in the cost of b / n and the supply problems that arise with this.

[uralex]

The Ukrainians are shooting extremely intensively, falsely believing that the arsenals of ammunition in the West are limitless.

Ukraine, like a spoiled capricious child, got everything he wanted. True, he sometimes asks for "adult institutions", in the likeness of the EU and NATO, but so that the small one does not cry, they allow all kinds of "game" to get up: bomb civilians. arrange terrorist attacks, shoot prisoners, etc. etc. ... And then they were suddenly puzzled that the "sweets" were running out ...

[Kaufman]

It is pointless to count on the fact that Help ukroine will dry up. They will rake everything clean, the Soviet standard ammunition will run out, so they are gradually replacing it with NATO standards. I thought and still think that time is against us.

[Uprun]

Last week, "Stoptanny" broadcast that he had agreed to fire 152 mm shells in the EU, but he kept silent about the gun barrels ..... and the resource is not unlimited, it can lead to self-destruction of the crew ....

[faterdom]

Our task, like a combine operator, is to thresh every day.
And what ends up with someone is not our problem.
The war must end, and with our victory, but here we still have to work and work. Including over the fact that we do not run out of ammunition.

[iouris]

Some German soldier wrote in his memoirs that the Russian artillery fire was terrifying. If it were accurate...

[Ohsetin]

How many months have the ammunition in the West run out, 3, 4?

[n-Stozhar]

A few days ago, there was an article on the site ... based on reports from the American owners of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and mercenaries. Every day, the Russians fire 80 thousand shells of various hummingbirds, and the Armed Forces of Ukraine 20 thousand .. in the near future it is expected to decrease to 7 thousand and twenty thousand. one life, 10 thousand rifle bullets .. as I understand it, there are no write-offs of the virtual by mtoshniks .... then what? Is there a curtain of fire like in air defense? Is there anyone who can explain the ratio of the projectile and the official report of the Kanashnko, or who is there among the Ukrainians, the arrest for the killed enemies? Railway Composition of shells and a platoon of corpses? It is clear that this is an abstract perception, well, like generals on tactical tablets .. so the war is still crap .... remember in Iraq 1,5 million shells with depleted uranium, 1 million dead Iraqis .. plus contamination of the area with carcinogenic dust. Cancer in Iraq is now 150 times compared to pre-war .. the question is .... what is wrong with the number of shells or corpses? Or tactics, into the open light,? what could be different, the day before yesterday a trench gunner wrote .. they hit the trenches of the Armed Forces of Ukraine at the limit of range, sweep them to zero, take out the rest with corpses and wounded, and the next day the trenches are clogged again .. they sweep again ... and repeat again. he does not understand this game of giveaway ... maybe this a strange war is going on at the level of money? are we buying a thousand lives? how do you pack?