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The first confirmation of the use of the American towed 105-mm M101 howitzers by the Armed Forces appeared

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The first confirmation of the use of the American towed 105-mm M101 howitzers by the Armed Forces appeared

Ukrainian artillerymen received a batch of American towed 105-mm M101 howitzers from World War II, the first footage of the use of these guns on one of the sections of the line of contact appeared on the Web.


The Armed Forces of Ukraine began to use 105 mm Howitzer M101 howitzers, transferred to Ukraine by Lithuania in September this year. The video of firing from these howitzers, which appeared on Ukrainian and Russian resources, is the first official confirmation of the use of these guns in combat operations. This is also recognized in Ukrainian publics. On which sector of the front these howitzers were used, there is no information.

The fact that the Ukrainian army will receive an American 105-mm towed howitzer from World War II became known in September, after Lithuania announced the transfer to Kyiv of a batch of these artillery systems that are in long-term storage in the arsenals of the Lithuanian Ministry of Defense.

It is not known exactly how many guns Ukraine received, Lithuania once received these howitzers from Denmark, in total 72 guns were transferred, of which 18 were for spare parts. According to the latest data, about 50 guns could be in the warehouses of the Lithuanian army. Before handing over, they were updated, painted and even wrapped in oiled paper, giving the appearance of brand new. Together with the guns, a certain amount of 105-mm caliber shells for these howitzers was transferred.

105 mm Howitzer M101 is an American howitzer of the Second World War period, mass-produced since 1941, was or still is in service with the armies of many countries of the world. Caliber - 105 mm, calculation of 8 people, firing range - 11 thousand meters, rate - 4-5 rounds per minute, weight - 2260 kg.

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  1. Asad
    Asad 28 November 2022 08: 19
    +1
    I wonder how many such guns are stored in the United States itself, and especially shells.
    1. Nexcom
      Nexcom 28 November 2022 08: 25
      +4
      and how many amers have kept everything in the desert since the Second World War .... (well, for us, this war was the Second World War). Svidomo still has enough reserves from the desert for a long time. And how many planes are stored in the desert - yo-may ... Since such deliveries have already gone, it’s as if they didn’t reach the WWII weapons. Although such a weapon can kill our guys, unfortunately.
      1. Aerodrome
        Aerodrome 28 November 2022 08: 41
        -1
        it's not the caliber of the gun that kills. shoots right?
      2. Barberry25
        Barberry25 28 November 2022 08: 47
        0
        well, the simplest equipment such as artillery, yes, but the planes, if they are old, can no longer be revived ..
        1. Nexcom
          Nexcom 28 November 2022 08: 51
          +1
          Choi can’t revive it - everything is stored very neatly there. the climate is dry and warm. the Americans even pulled out the B52 from there and put it into operation on the second run - they wrote about it at the VO.
          1. Barberry25
            Barberry25 28 November 2022 09: 56
            0
            1) standing fuselages are not exactly finished aircraft
            2) they have been engaged in cannibalism for a long time, so the Americans do not seek to purchase cars through major repairs, but take completely new sides ..
        2. alekseykabanets
          alekseykabanets 28 November 2022 08: 58
          0
          Quote: Barberry25
          well, the simplest equipment such as artillery, yes, but the planes, if they are old, can no longer be revived ..

          Those planes for which pilots of the Armed Forces of Ukraine are now being trained are not obsolete.
          1. Barberry25
            Barberry25 28 November 2022 09: 55
            0
            and will be transferred from availability ... the size of stocks from that very desert is very overestimated. So, at best, young pilots of the Armed Forces of Ukraine are waiting for cars of the 90s, they will not be given anything fatter than Block 50.
    2. Sfurei
      Sfurei 28 November 2022 12: 29
      0
      I agree that the question is not so much the availability of certain guns, but the availability of shells for them. This also applies to the M101 and M777 and the M109 self-propelled guns (of which more than 1000 pieces are scattered in various warehouses in the west.). And with shells everything is much worse in the West than with guns !!
      And of course, the supply of shells is very focused on logistics. The monthly consumption of APU shells for artillery is 3-4 railway trains + hundreds of trucks on the ground, which, in turn, also need to be refueled and fuel also needs to be delivered, etc. So periodic blackout is the right approach..
    3. Oden280
      Oden280 28 November 2022 16: 03
      0
      Better think about how much it costs on the M-30 on the NZ. They haven't been touched yet.
  2. Silver99
    Silver99 28 November 2022 08: 21
    +15
    Here you read the news and take evil, the Armed Forces of Ukraine used this, the Armed Forces of Ukraine used this (((Did we open a test site for NATO weapons there? Tons of ammunition, tons of fuel and lubricants, echelons with weapons ......... the use of artillery of the 2nd World War, whatever it is, it shoots and kills.How much can you persuade the General Staff of the RF Armed Forces to level the entire territory of western Ukraine adjacent to the border with all tunnels, bridges and railway tracks.
    1. Nexcom
      Nexcom 28 November 2022 08: 35
      +1
      What the Americans and others give the Armed Forces of Ukraine from the master's shoulder, they use it. The Armed Forces of Ukraine have a vinaigrette in weapons and equipment. This is hell for logistics and supply. They even have 155 mm shells for different art systems - different. This is generally a gesture to them. There is no unification at all.
      The Poles will throw one thing, the Balts another, the British the third. Kishmish.
      1. Bogalex
        Bogalex 28 November 2022 10: 28
        0
        Ours is a little better - it is enough to count the number of types of artillery pieces, at least in caliber 152 mm.
        1. Nexcom
          Nexcom 28 November 2022 10: 31
          0
          I guess there is no such zoo anyway. or too well think?
          1. Bogalex
            Bogalex 28 November 2022 13: 27
            -2
            Well, let's list what I know about myself and what flashed in the chronicles and news (in brackets are towed analogues of self-propelled systems that are fully compatible with them in terms of the ammunition used).
            2S19 "Msta-S" (2A65 "Msta-B") uses the entire range of Russian ammunition, except for those used for 2S5 "Hyacinth-S" (2A36 "Hyacinth-B"), as well as shots with an active-rocket 3OF22 designed exclusively for 2S3 "Acacia" (D-20);
            2S5 "Hyacinth-S" (2A36 "Hyacinth-B") use exclusively their own ammunition, which is not compatible with any other 152-mm systems. Among other things, they cannot fire high-precision projectiles of the Krasnopol and Centimeter types;
            2S3 "Acacia" (D-20) are generally compatible in terms of ammunition with 2S19 (2A65), however, shots with 3OF45 and 3OF64 shells cannot be used.
            D-1 howitzers use exclusively their own rounds with OF-530 shells, which are not compatible with any other 152-mm artillery systems.
            Well, something like that.
            To what extent this "zoo" is comparable to the Ukrainian one, I can't say offhand. Compare yourself.
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    2. Toorik
      Toorik 28 November 2022 08: 35
      +3
      It was NATO there that set up a training ground on our aircraft, and we on the Ukrainian ...
      1. Barberry25
        Barberry25 28 November 2022 08: 48
        +1
        Well, in this case, this is an attempt to put at least something
    3. alekseykabanets
      alekseykabanets 28 November 2022 08: 41
      0
      Quote from Silver99
      The General Staff of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation to raze to the ground the entire territory of western Ukraine adjacent to the border with all tunnels, bridges and railway tracks.

      There will be an order - compare! If there is no order, then it is beneficial to someone. There is an order to destroy electrical substations in Ukrainian cities, but there is no order to cut off the supply of Western weapons. Why? Very bad conclusions are being drawn.
      1. Danske75
        Danske75 30 November 2022 18: 52
        0
        I'm embarrassed to ask ... how to compare it?
        1. alekseykabanets
          alekseykabanets 30 November 2022 19: 12
          -1
          Quote: danske75
          I'm embarrassed to ask ... how to compare it?

          Peter, there is something to compare, the question is something else, the question is that they do not want to block the supply channels of Western weapons to Ukraine, but they want the Russians and Ukrainians to kill each other further, and some will get good ones from this dividends. You're from Lithuania, as far as I understand? Tell me, what do you say about this strange military operation, not the media, but ordinary people? Do you really have such a disgusting attitude towards the Russians, as they say in our media?
          1. Danske75
            Danske75 30 November 2022 22: 07
            +1
            Alas, but you are right, the attitude has become not very good ... An ordinary person thinks in a simple way - there is Ukraine, there is Russia. Who invaded whom? Russia. Who is fighting on a foreign land-Russia.
            And all sorts of funny tales about the fascists of Bandera and boys in panties .. well, this is for the feeble-minded, to be honest.
    4. lis-ik
      lis-ik 28 November 2022 09: 58
      +2
      Quote from Silver99
      How much can you persuade the General Staff of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation to level the entire territory of western Ukraine adjacent to the border with all the tunnels, bridges and railway tracks.

      So it’s not necessary to persuade the General Staff, but to press the friends of the guarantor against the wall, but it’s better to put it.
    5. 9PA
      9PA 28 November 2022 15: 04
      0
      Apparently we are technically unable to do this.
  3. Victor_B
    Victor_B 28 November 2022 08: 22
    +4
    Well, I don’t know how 105mm howitzers will show themselves there (but they will take their harvest ...)
    In howitzers, after all, the weight of the projectile is critical.
    Our Rapiers turned out to be, oddly enough, quite in demand.
    Only not so much against tanks, but as a "sniper rifle".
    Their accuracy was almost sub-minute.
    The tank is much worse ...
    1. Nexcom
      Nexcom 28 November 2022 08: 29
      0
      The main thing is if the weapons allow you to solve the task. Everything else is not critical
    2. Hagen
      Hagen 28 November 2022 09: 14
      0
      Quote: Victor_B
      Their accuracy was almost sub-minute.
      The tank is much worse ...

      Don’t share the source?
      1. Victor_B
        Victor_B 28 November 2022 09: 27
        +1
        Quote: Hagen
        Don’t share the source?
        Unfortunately no...
        No matter how this red-haired ... deputy from St. Petersburg, who now serves in the SVO on Rapiers.
        Or Lobaev, just the term sub-minute accuracy to the gun is more likely from him ...

        In addition, according to experts, the Rapier has amazing accuracy. If we compare it with the SVD sniper rifle, then when firing at a distance of a kilometer, an anti-tank gun gives a smaller spread than a rifle.

        https://mosregtoday.ru/soc/ekspert-rossijskaya-protivotankovaya-pushka-rapira-ne-obnaruzhivaetsya-vrazheskimi-lokatorami/
    3. Aaron Zawi
      Aaron Zawi 28 November 2022 09: 42
      -3
      Quote: Victor_B

      In howitzers, after all, the weight of the projectile is critical.
      Our Rapiers turned out to be, oddly enough, quite in demand.
      Only not so much against tanks, but as a "sniper rifle".
      Their accuracy was almost sub-minute.
      The tank is much worse ...

      Is the Rapier in service with Canada? recourse
      1. Victor_B
        Victor_B 28 November 2022 09: 47
        +2
        Quote: Aron Zaavi
        Is the Rapier in service with Canada?
        I'm rooting for the other team!
  4. APASUS
    APASUS 28 November 2022 08: 25
    0
    This is the logistics of the country. Now you still need to store 2-3 mil 105 mm shells
    1. Nexcom
      Nexcom 28 November 2022 08: 45
      0
      they will ask the amers - the amers most likely have it in storage.
      1. APASUS
        APASUS 28 November 2022 09: 57
        0
        Quote: Nexcom
        they will ask the amers - the amers most likely have it in storage.

        The Americans got rid of the Howitzer M101 guns and presented them to Lithuania, but they store the shells. Are you sure?
        1. Nexcom
          Nexcom 28 November 2022 10: 07
          0
          I assumed, but did not state with certainty. some "NATO partner" most likely has one.
          1. APASUS
            APASUS 28 November 2022 10: 10
            0
            Quote: Nexcom
            I assumed, but did not state with certainty.

            The shells most likely went first, gunpowder has a problem with caking. But the guns were in storage. If the shells were handed over, then a very limited number.
            1. Nexcom
              Nexcom 28 November 2022 10: 16
              0
              this means that the parameters of the combustion of gunpowder will be metastable due to caking. this, in turn, will affect the accuracy and range of fire - to help us.

              PS yes, so that everything in their trunk bursts.
  5. Vladimir 290
    Vladimir 290 28 November 2022 08: 29
    +1
    The rollback is very interesting, I don’t know, maybe it should be. Any of our guns with such a rollback would not be allowed to fire. This miracle is no longer even able to throw away the sleeves, although the shutter is semi-automatic wedge.
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    2. dmi.pris1
      dmi.pris1 28 November 2022 08: 56
      +2
      This is how it is in reality. They have larger calibers with a double rollback. The gun has been tested for decades, there is nothing to laugh about. The flow of guns and idiots will not dry up there.
      1. Asad
        Asad 28 November 2022 09: 02
        0
        I looked on the Internet, there are 1700 pieces in South Korea, I don’t know how many whole ones, but the number is significant.
    3. yuriy55
      yuriy55 28 November 2022 08: 58
      0
      Quote: Vladimir 290
      The rollback is very interesting, I don’t know, maybe it should be.

      And so:

      Quote: Nexcom
      Is that intended or have they already broken it?

      So broken... lol
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      2. yuriy55
        yuriy55 28 November 2022 09: 04
        0
        Here's another one I found ... It makes no sense to compare:
  6. Uprun
    Uprun 28 November 2022 08: 31
    +1
    Yes, at least they will put a "mop" if it shoots, nothing good. If military supplies were limited to the N-amount of fat, all right, otherwise the news is clearly not from the category of positive.
  7. rocket757
    rocket757 28 November 2022 08: 33
    0
    The first confirmation of the use of the American towed 105-mm M101 howitzers by the Armed Forces appeared
    . This is an old weapon, but it was made for war, so everything is reliable and simple.
    And yes, it will kill until it's over.
    1. Nexcom
      Nexcom 28 November 2022 08: 40
      -3
      I wonder if Henry's lever rifles will come in deliveries or not? what Well, or to Garand rifles.
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 28 November 2022 08: 46
        +1
        It is unlikely that they will begin to collect weapons from museums ... they have a lot of things left in their arsenals, in long-term storage warehouses ... though re-preservation, bringing to combat readiness, is a chore, not a quick one ...
    2. Barberry25
      Barberry25 28 November 2022 08: 52
      +1
      D-1? I remember everyone was very indignant and called junk ... and here the flattering reviews about 105ke are straight
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 28 November 2022 09: 05
        0
        The "life" of a weapon is not long, for various reasons ...
        Compensate for losses by any means, it is logical, necessary.
        No one plans to roll down to karamultuks, but who knows what it will come to in the end.
        1. Barberry25
          Barberry25 28 November 2022 09: 48
          +1
          I'm talking about the fact that we have a full-length cult of the West - when at one time the M-30 and D-1 lit up at the NM LDNR, then everyone groaned and gasped stating why this rubbish was being transported, and any attempts to state that "this is a weapon and quite normal" - they threw a bunch of minuses, but as soon as the American 105ke came from 1941, everyone immediately began to declare that this was a good weapon ..
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 28 November 2022 10: 05
            +1
            Some have such a nature, and they are not ours, in essence.
            According to normal, sorting should be carried out for a long time, Schaub everyone knew their heroes.
        2. Barberry25
          Barberry25 29 November 2022 15: 46
          +1
          Well, the key problem is the increase in the number of troops on the LBS, so it’s not up to the most advanced developments, but I think that in general they will equalize quality and quantity .. the main thing here is to understand what we need - for defense we need a lot of heavy weapons such as anti-tank systems, AGS, mortars and long-range artillery, and for the offensive you need maneuverable equipment.
      2. Mazunga
        Mazunga 28 November 2022 10: 39
        +1
        d1 in our warehouses in bulk can also serve
  8. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 28 November 2022 08: 36
    +3
    A long "battle route" of howitzers - from the USA to Denmark, from Denmark to Lithuania, from Lithuania to Ukraine, from Ukraine, obviously for scrap. But before the troubles are disposed of, of course they will have time to bring. And we reached our destination, as I understand it, calmly and without incident. Badly.
    1. Ghost1
      Ghost1 28 November 2022 09: 38
      +2
      Why be surprised that we reached the front line, if we were advancing on Kherson along the steppe and without any special problems.
  9. Yaro Polk
    Yaro Polk 28 November 2022 09: 03
    0
    before, these guns fired at the Nazis ... and now the mattress Nazis handed them over to the Nazis.
  10. Ryaruav
    Ryaruav 28 November 2022 09: 06
    0
    Our m-30 is much better than even 1938
  11. digger
    digger 28 November 2022 09: 20
    -1
    Well, at such a pace, they will soon reach nuclear weapons ...
  12. Petr_Koldunov
    Petr_Koldunov 28 November 2022 09: 53
    0
    Of course, there is a clear thinning of stocks. What will go next? Forty-five? Then copper unicorns?
    However ... damn it, this is also a weapon and also deadly. On the way to disposal, it can also take the lives of our people! In order for all this junk to go straight to scrap metal, it is necessary to dismantle the transport and logistics structure without a chance (but, alas, this has been a topic of daily discussions for more than six months!).
  13. Bodipancher
    Bodipancher 28 November 2022 12: 24
    +1
    There is also a positive point. Since they began to supply such junk, it means they strained with modern guns.
  14. garik77
    garik77 30 November 2022 00: 30
    0
    Axes 155mm seem to be completely gone? So the 37 mm Gun M3 will soon get there! laughing