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Zangezur corridor. Forty kilometers of geopolitics

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Zangezur corridor. Forty kilometers of geopolitics

Last Friday, President of Azerbaijan I. Aliyev, speaking at the conference "Along the Middle Corridor: Geopolitics, Security, Economics", was marked by a very sharp, emotional speech in relation to the policy of neighboring Iran. Unusual was not only the style, but the part in which the socio-religious sphere was affected.


“We have always responded and will continue to respond to any anti-Azerbaijani steps, whether they are statements or actions. Therefore, we were forced to start military exercises on the border with Iran in order to demonstrate that we are not afraid of them. We will do our best to protect our way of life, the secular vector of development of Azerbaijan and Azerbaijanis, including Azerbaijanis living in Iran. They are part of our nation."

The Azerbaijani leader also announced military exercises on the border with Iran in response to the exercises that Iran itself is conducting, combining them with a campaign to suppress protests, and also raised the issue that in all the time he worked with the three previous leaders of Iran, he did not encounter with so many statements by Tehran "full of hatred and threats against Azerbaijan." Separately, I. Aliyev stressed that teaching in schools in Armenian is widely developed in Iran, in contrast to Azerbaijani, although the national diasporas are not comparable in scale.

Over the past two years, Iran and Azerbaijan have repeatedly exchanged both defiant statements and conciliatory rhetoric - exactly a year ago it sounded like "from now on, relations between Iran and Azerbaijan will develop upward." There were also reverse examples, but the issue of protecting Azerbaijanis living in Iran was raised in this vein for the first time. A variety of versions began to be discussed in the media, up to the point that Azerbaijan was reviving the idea of ​​Great Azerbaijan, the Democratic Republic of Azerbaijan, etc.

These ideas, in fact, never completely left the socio-political discourse, but their realism is doubtful, although there is no point in denying the fact that there are its adherents in Iranian Ardabil, Zanjan, East and West Azerbaijan, as well as the fact that supporters of the secular the form of government there is certainly no less (in fact, even more) than in the rest of Iran.

Some of the emotions are undoubtedly connected with the recent visit of Israeli Defense Minister B. Gantz, before which Baku announced the discovery of Iran's spy network in Azerbaijan. The detention of officers recruited by the Iranians, as well as civilians, was announced. Charged with spreading "radical, religious extremist ideas." It was clear that the visit of the representative of Israel in such a difficult period for Iran would be a reason for criticism, so the criticism was parried "on the move."

But, it is also clear that the main problem lies in another area, and this is true. The name of this problem is the Zangezur corridor.

Azerbaijan is divided into two parts by the Syunik region of the Republic of Armenia. After the victorious return of the territories of Nagorno-Karabakh in Baku, the topic of the so-called. Zangezur corridor - obtaining direct access to the Nakhichevan Autonomous Region. There is a fundamental decision of the parties to open several checkpoints for road transport, free movement of goods, but Baku is clearly strategically focused on something more than opening a route, and this “something more” does not suit not only Armenia, but also neighboring Iran.

For an outside observer, a rather strange and complex geopolitical structure has developed in the region. Armenia and the government of N. Pashinyan as a whole are striving for interaction with the EU and the USA. A significant part of the negotiations on Karabakh and related issues is mediated by the EU and France, the United States is active on this track, which speaks openly about the uselessness of the CSTO for Yerevan. At the same time, Yerevan cooperates with Iran in the closest way. These are literally thousands of joint ventures, projects for hydropower, electricity and gas supplies and processing of hydrocarbons, copper and copper-molybdenum concentrates. The export of copper is generally one of the important and constantly growing export items of Iran, despite the permanent sanctions.

River basin Araks, which is the actual and legal border between Iran, Armenia and Azerbaijan, is a kind of cascades of hydroelectric power stations, the largest of which are concentrated on the territory of Armenia. These HPPs are part of a previously unified, but today interdependent energy system, the productivity of which is redundant and is used by Iran to cover seasonal electricity shortages. Being reconstructed, this energy network is also able to provide a larger export potential, on which you can make good money.

The Syunik region is a continuous highland, several prepared roads and, in fact, what is called the Zangezur corridor - a route that runs just along the river that goes around the ridge: on the right hand, the Iranian route, on the left - Azerbaijani and Armenian. Before the 2020 military operation, when traveling to Nakhichevan or Turkey, the car had to drive about 200 km through the territory of Iran. Today, earn a corridor, this distance would be reduced by three times. In a straight line (although there are no straight lines), today it is about forty kilometers, which pass through the territory of Armenia.

During the 2020 campaign, the Azerbaijani army was preparing to move further - to the city of Syunik itself. Later, and during the last armed clash, the focus remained the same. And Baku can be logically understood here - the relief and the meager road network in this highlands are such that the force that has taken control of the city of Syunik automatically gains control over the entire region to the south, cutting it off from "mainland" Armenia along with the highway along the river. Araks.

At one time, many were surprised by the shots taken at gunpoint by Iran, which bypassed social networks when the President of Azerbaijan came to visit historical Khudaferin bridges are just practically the border, from which the Zangezur highway goes further through Armenia. It looked like a frank challenge from the Iranian side, although, of course, this was not confirmed at the official level.

However, this was not only a challenge, but also a signal that Iran was categorically not ready for such a drastic change in the political map in the region. That year, Tehran brought troops to the border. He brought them out this year, and not only as a measure to control the border during the protests. For example, this year the exercises included measures to build pontoon crossings across the river. Araks, which caused sharp statements from Azerbaijan.

For Azerbaijan, taking Zangezur under control is a kind of strategic maximum plan. In 2021, I. Aliyev amends the scheme of territorial division and organizes the East Zangezur economic region, which includes: Jabrayil, Lachin, Kalbajar, Gubadly and Zangelan, and the neighboring Syunik region is already called nothing more than "Western Zangezur", historical lands . As we all understand, in this case, each side can give deeper and deeper historical grounds, given the rich history of the region, but the current international law is on the side of Yerevan, and all the real balance of power decides.

For Turkey, which de facto controls the economy of Adjara, the capture of this important section by an ally means free land transit of weapons and military contingents, and also the fact that there will be no sites left along the entire course of the Araks, which is the second most important source of water for the arid regions of Iran. free of agreement on use with Ankara. Actually, these forty kilometers separate Turkey from victory in the historical rivalry with the Persians for influence in the Transcaucasus.

What such an alignment will mean for Armenia, perhaps, is better not to think, given the fact that Baku has repeatedly stated that the borders of historical lands are not far from Yerevan.

Thus, we see another paradoxical situation in international politics, when the pro-Western government in Yerevan sends forces to moderate the conflict with Azerbaijan through the EU, but at the same time it critically depends on the principled position of Iran to intervene by force if Baku tries to break through the corridor by force. And Tehran itself is ready to put up with the expansion of missions and various NGOs of the European Union and Washington in Armenia, but not to allow its historical rival in the Turkish region to encircle the Transcaucasus, and this is not just geopolitics, but water, metallurgy and electricity. All this does not mean that a clash of parties is inevitable, rather the opposite.

Neither Turkey nor Azerbaijan really want to test Tehran’s determination with its “army of drones” in this direction by actions, however, the weakness of the Persians, and the protests still take a lot of strength, will be perceived as a trigger for the “push the falling” scenario. The patrons of the government in Yerevan will only have to shrug their shoulders, because for them "democracy in Iran" is more important than the name of the region - Syunik or Western Zangezur.

However, Baku is not very satisfied with the European moderation of the peace treaty due to the unwillingness of the Europeans to resolve issues in detail. The EU today aims simply to fix a peace treaty. In Azerbaijan, they understand that the conclusion of a peace treaty now will not give maximum benefits - for the time being, it is necessary to squeeze out everything possible at various negotiating platforms and carefully monitor the situation in Iran. There will be no "window of opportunity", there will be time to get the best conditions for negotiations, and a window will open - "who dared, he ate it."

Therefore, for the time being, Baku will take a wait-and-see position, assessing Iran’s determination and potential and squeezing the maximum out of the details and nuances on the negotiation track, because after the signing of the agreement, Baku will have very few opportunities for political maneuvers and power actions.

In the meantime, emotions and harsh statements boil around this small but so important node of political geography. The CSTO is gathering a mission to assess the situation (working out the issues of strengthening the border near the city of Syunik and the highway along which raw materials are transported), Tehran keeps a strike group on the banks of the Araks, Baku is studying issues of military-technical cooperation with Israel, but at the same time both Iran and Azerbaijan they are starting construction of a new bridge from Karabakh to Iran, and are also studying the issues of building new power plants and exporting electricity.
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  1. Lech from Android.
    Lech from Android. 1 December 2022 05: 02
    0
    Some of the emotions are undoubtedly connected with the recent visit of Israeli Defense Minister B. Gantz, before which Baku announced the disclosure of Iran's spy network

    Oh how ... belay and then Israel's ears popped out, behind which old Biden peeps out.
    Wangyu that the Jews leaked Iranian agents in Azerbaijan to Aliyev.
    The conflict between Azerbaijan and Iran is being heated up by third parties.
    1. Aerodrome
      Aerodrome 1 December 2022 10: 52
      -1
      Pashinyan finishes with his "multi-vector approach".
      1. Romanovski
        Romanovski 1 December 2022 20: 13
        -9
        """... Pashinyan is getting there, with his "multi-vector approach"....""".
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        The last name of a person is written with a capital letter ... And about "crawling" - this is not your crafty mind and it will be better if you first follow your own chair ...
      2. Romanovski
        Romanovski 1 December 2022 22: 58
        -4
        Stepanakert: Artsakh was not part of Azerbaijan at the time of signing the Alma-Ata Declaration

        At the time of the signing of the Alma-Ata Declaration, Artsakh was not part of Azerbaijan. Minister of Foreign Affairs of the Republic of Artsakh (Nagorno-Karabakh Republic) David Babayan stated this in an interview with the correspondent of Armenian News - NEWS.am.

        Recall that today at a press conference, Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov said that “The Alma-Ata Declaration on the establishment of the CIS clearly states that the borders between the new states will be based on the borders between the union republics of the former USSR, where the Nargorno-Karabakh Autonomous Region is unequivocally part of the Azerbaijan SSR.

        “When we talk about the Azerbaijani-Karabakh conflict and mention the Alma-Ata Declaration, many for some reason believe that the territorial integrity of Azerbaijan is recognized there within the borders of the Azerbaijan SSR or with the mention of Nagorno-Karabakh. This is not true. The declaration says "recognizing and respecting each other's territorial integrity and the inviolability of existing borders." At the time of the signing of the Alma-Ata Declaration - December 21, 1991 - Artsakh was not part of Azerbaijan. On September 2, 1991, the Republic of Artsakh, the Nagorno-Karabakh Republic, was proclaimed. By reunification of the former NKAR, Shahumyan region and Getashen sub-region. On December 10, 1991, in strict accordance with the norms of international law and Soviet legislation, a referendum was held, at which the vast majority of citizens of the NKR voted for the independence of the Nagorno-Karabakh Republic. By the way, Azerbaijanis, who at that time lived in the republic, also participated in this process. They were given ballots, the ballots were in Armenian, Russian and Azerbaijani. True, they did not vote, but this did not change the result. Non-participation in voting is the right of citizens.

        Therefore, when we talk about the Alma-Ata Declaration, it is necessary to present the full picture. At that time, Artsakh was not part of Azerbaijan. Since 1988, it has been de facto outside the control of Azerbaijan. In 1991 - already de jure.

        By the way, the NKAR in the USSR was the only administrative-territorial formation, autonomous, which was withdrawn from the Union Republic and subordinated to the center. I'm talking about the Volsky Committee. In addition, the Committee of Constitutional Supervision of the USSR considered it illegitimate and actually annulled the decision of the Supreme Council of the AzSSR to abolish the Nagorno-Karabakh Autonomous Region. The same committee did not consider the declaration of the NKR and the referendum invalid. In international law, the correct interpretation of documents is very important.

        In addition, it must be remembered that Azerbaijan joined the Alma-Ata Declaration belatedly. By the time Azerbaijan joined the declaration in 1993, the war was in full swing. At that time, there were somewhat different borders. By and large, if we project the declaration for 1993, de facto Azerbaijan did not control a number of other regions,” David Babayan concluded.
    2. Romanovski
      Romanovski 1 December 2022 20: 07
      -4
      ""... There is a fundamental decision of the parties to open several checkpoints for road transport, free movement of goods, but Baku is clearly strategically focused on something more than opening a route, and this "something more" does not suit not only Armenia, but also neighboring Iran...."".
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      Something more?? Yes, Azerbaijan does not need to unblock transport routes at all, as the Russian Federation, Armenia and Azerbaijan agreed on November 9.11.2020, XNUMX, but dreams (but breaks off ...) TO CAPTURE Syunik (part of Armenia), since behind Azerbaijan the ears of Turkey (=NATO) are visible, USA (the Americans have already stated that they will HELP Azerbaijan in the war (!?) against Iran ...) and Israel (a delegation of the Israeli Ministry of Defense ALREADY visited Baku recently ...). All assistants of Azerbaijan are GEOPOLITICAL opponents of Russia, Iran, India and China. Iran and China are now very closely approaching Russia in the military-technical field, and agreements have also been signed on major projects in the economy and energy .... Turkey seems to be flirting with Russia, but in fact it has been supplying and supplying (UAVs, armored cars, MLRS) weapons to Ukroreyhu ... And the author's PROVOCATIVE allegations that the government of Armenia (Pashinyan) is allegedly pro-Western are not at all true.
      1. nikolaevskiy78
        1 December 2022 20: 32
        +1
        Well, what kind of government is it?
        However, for the Armenians, I think the main thing is that it be pro-Armenian in the first place.
        If you read the article a little more carefully, you would have guessed that "something more" means the annexation of Syunik or, as they say in Baku, "the historical lands of Western Zangezur", if Baku sees such a window of opportunity, they will try to implement it, no, they will be peaceful contract to consider every meter. Because such an agreement will fix the situation for a long time.
        We have no geopolitical supporters and opponents in the Transcaucasian triangle, we are historical rivals with Turkey and Iran there. The Shirvan way was always too important.
        1. Romanovski
          Romanovski 1 December 2022 20: 51
          -5
          ""... Well, what kind of government is it? ...""
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          Obviously NOT RUSSOPHOBIC, as in Ukroreich, Georgia, Moldova, the Baltic States ... But, apparently in Russia they don’t appreciate this at all, and the CSTO not only even BEFORE N. Pashinyan came, it supplied Baku with weapons (!) For billions of dollars, but also The CSTO decided to DO NOT NOTICE the aggression of Azerbaijan against the territory of Armenia, WHICH IS SET IN THE CSTO DOCUMENTS AS THE AREA OF RESPONSIBILITY OF THE CSTO .... And Armenia and Karabakh, probably, as a last resort, somehow together (as ALWAYS ...) will fight and win, as they won in 1994 and how they DEFEATED the regular Turkish army in 1918 near Sardarapat (Armenia) .... Google it somehow at your leisure ...
          1. nikolaevskiy78
            1 December 2022 21: 15
            +2
            I do not consider Moscow's policy to be the height of logic and ideal. But!
            And who prevented Yerevan from rearming and properly preparing for the inevitable confrontation. The inevitable. I remember an interview with one of the Armenian generals, who said that Pashinyan had the opportunity to order layered air defense systems. The Russian army does not perform well in Ukraine, it's true, but it's just the air defense systems that work very well. Moreover, in Syria, these complexes were gaining effective experience in combating Turkish drones. When setting the task, who prevented Yerevan from sending fighters to this zone for training, work with complexes, and forming a procurement program. I understand that one can say that Baku has oil, but Yerevan does not. Logically. But Yerevan has discounts on weapons, installments and loans, and also a very rich diaspora in Russia, which has weight in a number of industries. These are not poor relatives. Those. "no money" is not the case. Funds would have been found for a comprehensive program, for sending not 100 people to Syria for doctors and the military police, but for air defense and electronic warfare systems. Moscow would only help in this matter. So it's a big question that Moscow is "bad". Moreover, you must understand that Moscow could not engage in battle with Baku on the territory internationally recognized by the whole world. How will Moscow work in this regard? If Yerevan himself said - these are the territories of Azerbaijan.
            1. Romanovski
              Romanovski 1 December 2022 21: 42
              -5
              ""... And who interfered with Yerevan ..."
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              Good question ... I'll start with the terrible terrorist attack in the Armenian Parliament on 27.10.1999/6/1999, when the country was literally "beheaded", i.e. - in the Parliament, the speaker and the Prime Minister of Armenia and 20 more deputies were shot at point-blank range ... For some reason, the Russian media commented on this coup d'état in Armenia not with such great zeal and enthusiasm, gasped and groaned, as after N. Pashinyan's NATIONALLY ELECTED N. Pashinyan came to power ... Most of the Russian media for some reason preferred to call a coup d'etat and an alleged orange (!!??) revolution that the people of Armenia decided to expel presumptuous corrupt officials and embezzlers of state funds ... The question is - why ??? Because Pashinyan decided to think a little about Armenia itself and eradicated corruption???? After this terrorist attack (actually = a coup d'etat ...) in Armenia in XNUMX - the country (and most importantly, the ARMY ...) began to rob and weaken local corrupt officials with embezzlers .... For XNUMX years, Russia watched through its fingers how it was weakening at the hands corruption Armenia and its army, but for some reason it suddenly began to fuss when the people of Armenia decided to expel werewolves in ties (... shoulder straps) from the helm of power and chose Pashinyan ...... Hand of the West ??? No ... It's just that the people are tired of bribe-takers and thieves, who, for how much in vain, were grinding their tongues on TV about non-existent achievements ...
              1. nikolaevskiy78
                1 December 2022 21: 50
                +2
                The eradication of corruption and so on is all wonderful, but why did he not prepare for the inevitable war, did not understand that Moscow would be in this situation in a relatively neutral position and did not use the options of preparing the country for the inevitable. Moscow would provide such opportunities. Did you expect the West to keep Aliyev? And how much does the West need? As a result, there are a lot of deaths and a completely won campaign for Baku. But instead of organizing pompous events aimed at Aliyev in Shusha, it would be quite possible to approach the problem differently.
                The point is clear. Baku prepared properly, purchased weapons, prepared the international ground, looked for allies, trained its forces and won motivatedly. And Armenia, alas, as it was preparing, it happened. And this is not only my personal opinion, many Armenian soldiers said the same thing.
  2. Mekey Iptyshev
    Mekey Iptyshev 1 December 2022 05: 09
    +3
    Does Azerbaijan have a new military threat? It means that not everything is fine in the "Azerbaijani kingdom". Internal unrest is brewing, so you need to find an "external enemy". After the victory in Karabakh, it is difficult to motivate citizens with the "Armenian threat". Here Iran is a serious opponent, plus Erdogan is only in favor.
    1. parma
      parma 1 December 2022 10: 18
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      Quote: Mekey Iptyshev
      Does Azerbaijan have a new military threat? It means that not everything is fine in the "Azerbaijani kingdom". Internal unrest is brewing, so you need to find an "external enemy". After the victory in Karabakh, it is difficult to motivate citizens with the "Armenian threat". Here Iran is a serious opponent, plus Erdogan is only in favor.

      And what kind of internal unrest in Azerbaijan, I missed something ... it seemed to me that everything was on the rise - they say “our liberation campaign was stopped by negotiators from respected countries, but if anything we are ready to march again if they don’t hear us”, it seems to me on the contrary (but I’m a lot further north) it’s good enough, you don’t understand everything in Armenia (the war is lost, more and more new conditions are being imposed, the people are not happy, the economy is far from recovering, and the peacekeepers seem to have partially left, there is no one to protect) ...
      1. Romanovski
        Romanovski 1 December 2022 20: 14
        -5
        ""... it's in Armenia, you don't understand how ..."
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        You are rudely mistaken .... Do not worry about Armenia ...
        1. parma
          parma 2 December 2022 07: 22
          +1
          Quote from Romanovski
          ""... it's in Armenia, you don't understand how ..."
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          You are rudely mistaken .... Do not worry about Armenia ...

          Yes, I’m only for it if everything is fine in Armenia, but can you elaborate on what is good on the Armenian side? The war is lost, the protests do not subside for 3 years (2020,2021,2022), the peace agreement has not been signed, relatively recently, as a gesture of strength, Azerbaijan has again turned in front in some areas….
          1. Romanovski
            Romanovski 2 December 2022 14: 55
            -3
            "...Yes, I'm only for, .."".
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            You are obviously cunning, but in fact - you are against ....
            1. parma
              parma 5 December 2022 07: 47
              0
              Quote from Romanovski
              "...Yes, I'm only for, .."".
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              You are obviously cunning, but in fact - you are against ....

              It was sarcasm, in fact, it doesn’t really matter to me, but you can, for the sake of ordinary interest, find out what is good now in Armenia, of course, in terms of the political situation and the conflict in general, the weather is not very interesting to me ..
  3. parusnik
    parusnik 1 December 2022 05: 34
    +4
    And Russia, on the sidelines .. Some kiss with Turkey, others with Iran .. Only Russia, they don’t really climb .. So, sometimes .. Farewell, empire ...
  4. Ryaruav
    Ryaruav 1 December 2022 07: 52
    +7
    Russia is stuck on the outskirts so that the former republics of the USSR stopped paying special attention to it
  5. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 1 December 2022 08: 04
    +2
    we had to start military exercises on the border with Iran to demonstrate that we are not afraid of them
    Did Iran openly threaten Azerbaijan? After the victory in Karabakh, Aliyev became very militant, especially feeling Erdogan's breath behind his back. I think it makes no sense to discuss the relationship between Armenia and Azerbaijan, because. two eternal antagonists, and even with territorial claims to each other, will not find a common language at whichever negotiating table they are seated.
  6. solar
    solar 1 December 2022 09: 15
    +1
    The author in the article arranged a leapfrog from a mixture of facts and his own reasoning, so that one cannot separate the truth from speculation. It seems that the article was written not by Mikhail Nikolaevsky, but by Mikola Yerevansky: ((
    But at the same time, having poured a lot of water, he did not indicate two key facts on the problem.
    1. According to the trilateral agreement between Armenia, Azerbaijan and Russia, it was envisaged the creation of not only the Lachin corridor to Karabakh, which Azerbaijan is implementing, but also a corridor to Nakhchivan with the provision of FSB border troops, which Armenia completely does not implement and ignores.
    2. The peace process between the countries is hampered by the position of Yerevan, which does not want to sign an agreement on the border and territorial integrity, thus officially fully recognizing the belonging of Karabakh to Azerbaijan.
    Without these two most important facts, all the author's reasoning boils down to pouring water from empty to empty.
    1. nikolaevskiy78
      1 December 2022 10: 39
      +2
      If we ignore the various Mikols of Yerevan, Mikols of Baku, Mikols of Istanbul, and so on, then from the point of view of pragmatism, Baku's position is quite understandable. In Baku there is a maximum program + Western Zangezur, until you are convinced that the maximum program cannot be fulfilled through any of the options, then if you were Aliyev, you would also not be in a hurry to fix contracts and negotiate the maximum under the contract. Because such an agreement is for a long time. Then do not stuff the paste into the tube.
      Three border crossings along the corridor have been prepared. It is also interesting in your reasoning that Yerevan does not sign an agreement, allegedly not recognizing the belonging of Karabakh, although it is already recognized that these are Azerbaijani territories - no special agreement is needed here. We are talking about the delimitation of the border between Syunik and Karabakh - this is the problem, and not in Karabakh as such - you do not mention this. In general, whose "Mikola" is there still a question))
      1. solar
        solar 1 December 2022 12: 53
        -1
        although they have already recognized that these are Azerbaijani territories, no special treaty is needed here

        Yah?
        Where, when, in the agreement ratified with Azerbaijan, did Armenia officially recognize Azerbaijan's ownership of Nagorno-Karabakh?
        1. nikolaevskiy78
          1 December 2022 13: 31
          +1
          The belonging of Nagorno-Karabakh does not need to be confirmed to anyone, neither Armenia nor Azerbaijan. Legal affiliation has not changed for 30 years. But where is the border between Syunik and Karabakh itself, here each side has its own opinion. No one divided this border because there was no need for this for Yerevan, it was an internal administrative issue in essence.
          1. solar
            solar 1 December 2022 13: 48
            -1
            Legal affiliation has not changed for 30 years.

            Did Yerevan officially confirm this? In what ratified agreement?
            there was no need for this for Yerevan, it was an internal administrative issue

            Do you understand that the first part of your statement contradicts the second?
            1. nikolaevskiy78
              1 December 2022 14: 13
              +1
              There is no contradiction. Yerevan has never claimed that Nagorno-Karabakh is legal Armenia. Actually, the collision in the 2020 war is largely the result of this non-recognition on the part of Yerevan. Though there are a lot of opinions here. To what extent did it affect, could it somehow be ratified in any format, etc. In fact, Karabakh was Armenian and no one denied this as evidence, legally it was not part of Armenia and Armenia did not legally recognize it at the international level as part of Armenia.
              But since de facto for 30 years Armenia and Karabakh were in the same system, it is quite logical that there was no practical sense for Yerevan in delimiting the borders of Karabakh and Armenia proper. Yes, and bring this issue to the level of some agreements. So there is no contradiction.
              I will tell you more, Armenia did not even officially recognize the independence of Karabakh. And this, by the way, can also be partly explained, because such recognition is a referendum, and, given the structure of the population after the 90s, this referendum would hardly be recognized. But this is only one of the explanations. There were initiatives of this kind, but they did not go through the procedure.
              1. solar
                solar 1 December 2022 14: 37
                -1
                Yerevan has never claimed that Nagorno-Karabakh is legal Armenia.

                And the fact that Azerbaijan did not claim either (although you stated the opposite).
                He just acted like it was Armenia. Which you confirmed with the second part of your statement.
                And now he is coming up with a reason not to sign the recognition of borders.
                1. nikolaevskiy78
                  1 December 2022 14: 53
                  +2
                  What do you mean he didn't claim it? Didn't he claim that Karabakh is an internationally recognized territory of Azerbaijan? How did he drive it? how is 2016? 2018 or 2020? Sorry, but I don't really understand your thesis.
                  1. solar
                    solar 1 December 2022 15: 02
                    -1
                    What do you mean he didn't claim it? Didn't he claim that Karabakh is an internationally recognized territory of Azerbaijan?

                    In the sense that you stated that you allegedly confirmed this, but you cannot provide evidence of your statement.
                    they already recognized that these are Azerbaijani territories

                    Recognized - provide a link to this in the form of an official recognition.
                    Waiting for a link.
                    1. nikolaevskiy78
                      1 December 2022 15: 24
                      +1
                      "Despite the fact that Armenia imposed a veto, the 1996 OSCE Lisbon summit stated that the problem of Nagorno-Karabakh should be resolved within the territorial integrity of Azerbaijan. The positions of all countries are also known by the UN Security Council resolutions of 1993. Armenia also recognized that Nagorno-Karabakh is part of Azerbaijan. In 2007, it was recognized. How long can we not state this? The question is whether we want to see it or not? Maybe all our problems come from the fact that we do not see this," Pashinyan said on the air of the Public Television of Armenia

                      Is Pashinyan's statement sufficient, or should references be made to discussions within the OSCE Minsk Group and references to the Almaty Declaration?
                      1. solar
                        solar 1 December 2022 16: 26
                        -3
                        Of course not. Today Pashinyan, tomorrow it will be different. These are words.
                        Armenia also recognized that Nagorno-Karabakh is part of Azerbaijan. She admitted in 2007.

                        Which document ratified by Armenia recognizes this?
                      2. nikolaevskiy78
                        1 December 2022 16: 34
                        +1
                        In the Almaty Declaration, at least, that Lavrov once again emphasized. And the question is or not Pashinyan. So this is from the 90s. This is exactly why today Azerbaijan approaches such agreements so carefully, because then there will be no reverse motion and it is necessary to squeeze the absolute maximum out of the current situation.
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    3. Romanovski
      Romanovski 1 December 2022 20: 35
      -3
      "....corridor to Nakhichevan...."". """...the peace process slows down Yerevan..."".
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      Seriously???!!! But there is no need to LIE and mislead readers ... The peace process is just slowing down Azerbaijan, which puts forward new unfounded claims against Armenia and is in a "drunk" frenzy from its Pyrrhic "victory" over Artsakh (Karabakh) .... If it comes to that, then the NKR (Karabakh) also has well-founded claims against Baku, so that the Azerbaijanis return Shushi and Hadrut ... And Armenia recently at the CSTO summit officially announced that on September 13 of this year - Azerbaijan illegally occupied (! ) 200 square kilometers of Armenian land ... In the tripartite WRITTEN document dated November 9, 2020 -- THERE IS NO TERM "corridor to Nakhichevan", but there is a MUTUAL (!) obligation and readiness of the parties to unblock transport communications, which does NOT imply an extraterritorial status of transport communications ways. Azerbaijan dreams that the path to Nakhichevan be taken away from the control of Armenia and handed over to it .. This is a form of NEW aggression of Azerbaijan, and Armenia (RF, Iran, India,) is categorically AGAINST this ... Russia also repeatedly emphasized at the level of the Foreign Ministry that all mutually unblocked routes WILL REMAIN UNDER THE JURISDICTION AND SOVEREIGNTY of the parties .... Armenia has repeatedly reported PUBLICLY about unfounded claims and provocations of Azerbaijan to its partners in the EAEU and allies in the CSTO, but Azerbaijan clearly needs unblocked communication routes (for which Armenia is COMPLETELY READY. ..) and peace in the region, and a new war to CAPTURE FOREIGN lands ...
      1. nikolaevskiy78
        1 December 2022 22: 14
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        Well, no need to campaign. The corridor to Nakhichevan is not a legal concept. It is used outside the contractual framework, because it is really a corridor and actually to Nakhichevan. And when they mention the corridor, they do not mean that it will be an internationally recognized Azerbaijani jurisdiction. Even in Baku they don't talk about it within the framework of agreements.
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  7. Eule
    Eule 3 December 2022 18: 42
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    Yes, there would be a single Transcaucasian SSR - how many problems would not have appeared. The collapse of the country did not give anything good to anyone, and even in this difficult region, everything is more and more difficult.
    And the material is interesting.