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The authorities lost the battle for the minds of Russians

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The authorities lost the battle for the minds of Russians

Of course, the title is overly categorical. But now the SVO is underway, and therefore you need to think in terms of “who is not with us is against us” and “victory or defeat”, and in such things the situation is triggered. Or either.


Therefore, the situation when even jingoistic patriots begin to lean toward the idea that hostilities must end, this is the vector for losing.

TV


So, where do most of those who really do something get their information from and who is the future of Russia? I probably won’t reveal secrets that it’s not from TV at all. I have not watched television since 2004, and only sometimes, when visiting or in the village, willy-nilly I have to see what is shown there.

And of course, everything is fine there. We are the best, there are enemies around, but we are still the best.

But the fact is that the vast majority of those under 35, and this is the most active part of society, if they watch TV, it is only for other purposes. And the local propaganda passes by, moreover, it often causes a negative reaction.

But on other resources the situation is more serious.

"Peekaboo"


For example, the well-known resource "Peekaboo".

Millions of regular visitors and, if at the very beginning of the NWO the public consolidated in support of the operation, then gradually opinions began to change and now even quite balanced statements are minus, and the opinion that we are doing something wrong becomes dominant.

And the administration of the resource in the form of moderation actively supports this, banning even those who write from the war zone.

Vc.ru


Another resource is vc.ru.

He is dedicated to business and is well known in certain circles. On it, any mention of government actions, good or bad, is always met with negativity, and comments in support are minus zero.

It's rare, rare, to read anything more or less supportive of Russian authorities or actions.

Habr.ru


Habr.ru is one of the oldest resources, originally for programmers and others like them, the very first in Runet to come up with a system of karma and rating, when a downvoted person is deprived of the opportunity to write anything.

And here is a similar picture - you should not speak out in support of the state, they will merge karma to zero, and this will end your stay.

It could go on and on, but I hope the picture is clear.

In those places where a significant and, importantly, active layer of society draws information, the position is completely oppositional. At the same time, a considerable part of the inhabitants there are quite patriots of the country and understand that they simply do not have another. Especially now.

What to do with all this?

I do not know. But the fact that the authorities completely lost the fight for minds on the Internet is a fact.

PS


Decided to add.

Nevertheless, patriotism for the country, for the Motherland among those who draw information only on the Web, is quite strong.

Let me give you one of the iconic examples. There is such a quite popular science fiction writer Sergei Kim, who lives on Sakhalin. He has a lot of sayings on his VK page, like

"Don't think what the country will do for you, but think what you will do for the country."

Despite the fact that I enjoyed reading the author's books, especially the "Intervention" cycle, where the Russian army is described from the best side, I always considered such records to be some kind of excess.

But then the country entered the war, and the writer, and he is quite a young man, was already at the front, signing up as a volunteer.

So there is patriotism, only now, in my opinion, the authorities are doing everything to make it as small as possible ...
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  1. Aerodrome
    Aerodrome 7 December 2022 05: 44
    +40
    Patriotism is a topic for deep discussion and understanding of what is happening. it is clear to most that after the murder of the USSR, a new country, with the old name Russia, obviously rolled in the wrong direction. and did not become an Empire, and "his own" for the whole world. no matter how puffed up from the TV screens, but the words "great", "mighty", "united", somehow sluggishly coexist with what they see with the eyes, into which handfuls of dust are constantly blown, because lies here and there, and lying to the people is to turn away him from himself.
    1. Doccor18
      Doccor18 7 December 2022 06: 24
      +32
      Quote: Aerodrome
      it is clear to most that after the murder of the USSR, a new country, with the old name Russia, obviously rolled in the wrong direction.

      Well, this is understandable only to the miserable 90% who "did not fit in" ...
      Quote: Aerodrome
      Didn't become an empire...

      Empires are born with great goals. What do we have?
      Quote: Aerodrome
      and "own" for the whole world

      Under capitalism there are no "friends". There are competitors, there is a center and a periphery. They will not let you move from one stage to another, these are the rules. The center feeds on the periphery...
      1. Civil
        Civil 7 December 2022 07: 34
        +31
        Three components of the failure of officials in the information sphere:
        1. Inappropriate lies.
        2. Non-stop unreasonable adoption by officials of decisions that worsen the life of the population, of the latter - an increase in tariffs for housing and communal services. In whose favor it is clear.
        3. Orientation of the state media to the older generation, that is, to people over 65. Or maybe even 2-3 viewers of this age.
        1. Boris55
          Boris55 7 December 2022 09: 17
          -23
          Quote: Civil
          ... the adoption by officials of decisions that worsen the life of the population ... from the latest - an increase in tariffs for housing and communal services

          Inflation is not our invention. This is an invention of capitalism, the purpose of which is to make people work from dawn to dusk and from evening to morning, and as a carrot: "If you work hard, you will earn a million and you will be bastard for the rest of your life." The purpose of inflation is to prevent the people from earning a million (and thus deprive the bourgeois of labor). Slaves must plow for their master until death.

          Quote: Civil
          Orientation of the state media on...

          MASS MEDIA - it is an instrument of ideological power, exactly the same as books, paintings, posters, movies, performances, etc., shaping the consciousness of people for the sake of their owners. The intentions of ideological power, to hide the goals of conceptual power.

          How, through funding the media, the State Department determines the policy of the media around the world.



          "... In our country, the TNS research company is engaged in the formation of ratings of TV shows. It is engaged in measuring the audience of TV channels, print media, radio and Internet sites, monitoring advertising, and also conducts marketing research ..." full text: http: // www .aif.ru /

          "... Internationally, with 2008, TNS has been part of the WPP holding and its KANTAR research unit ..."

          "... Ratings give channels the opportunity to plan their broadcasts in such a way as to maximize sales of advertising time. Channels set very high prices for advertising during rating programs ..."

          Please note that we advertise TV, and most importantly, who is the final owner of the advertised product. As a rule, these are foreign companies. So, through the determination of ratings, the State Department actually “forces” businessmen to finance those TV channels (order advertising) that, in their opinion, are pursuing the right policy - the more crap on our heads, the higher the rating, the more money in the account of this or that media.

          1. Civil
            Civil 7 December 2022 10: 06
            +19
            Inflation is not our invention.

            Blame your invention on anyone but yourself.
            1. Boris55
              Boris55 7 December 2022 10: 10
              -16
              Quote: Civil
              Blame your invention on anyone but yourself.

              It came to us much later than to Europe. Rus', as a state, was formed only at the end of the 9th century. Before that, we had no exploitation of man by man. Everyone in the community was related. It was considered shameless to rob one's brother. With the arrival of foreigners in Rus', this became possible.
              1. Civil
                Civil 7 December 2022 10: 16
                +24
                It came to us much later.

                You came to power in 1991 and since then you can do nothing but optimize.
                1. Boris55
                  Boris55 7 December 2022 10: 19
                  -18
                  Quote: Civil
                  You came to power in 1991

                  Who do you take me for? laughing If I had come to power in 1991, I would not have been sitting here, but would have gone crazy in the Canary Islands ... or on the bunk beds. wink

                  What has been done since the beginning of this century:
                  - Russia did not fall apart, although everything was ready for this;
                  - The people are fed, no one remembers about the legs of the bush;
                  - The army has been restored and re-equipped;
                  - The sovereignty of Russia today is determined in Ukraine.
                  1. Civil
                    Civil 7 December 2022 10: 22
                    +11
                    Quote: Boris55
                    Quote: Civil
                    You came to power in 1991

                    Who do you take me for? laughing If I had come to power in 1991, I would not have been sitting here, but would have gone crazy in the Canary Islands ... or on the bunk beds. wink


                    No need to move) you understand everything. I actually did not answer you personally, but your leadership. yes
                    1. Boris55
                      Boris55 7 December 2022 10: 27
                      -26
                      Quote: Civil
                      I actually did not answer you personally, but your leadership.

                      I wonder who is my guide? laughing

                      I support the policy pursued by Putin together with Shoigu and Lavrov.

                      Putin is in charge of foreign policy. It is through her that he rules Russia. The Duma and the Federation Council are responsible for conducting domestic policy through the adoption of laws.
                      1. Dmitry Rigov
                        Dmitry Rigov 7 December 2022 17: 12
                        +8
                        The irony is that the economic bloc, headed by the so-called. "liberals" just did a good job with his work and worked competently during the sanctions. The fact that $ 300 billion was lost is more likely the fault of the supreme, since knowing about the SVO, he could order in advance to withdraw funds from sanctions. But it is precisely the power block, which consists entirely of the guarantor's proteges, that has just disgraced itself in its unpreparedness for the SVO, moreover, we are now paying with blood for their mistakes and corruption.
                      2. Sergej1972
                        Sergej1972 7 December 2022 23: 55
                        +2
                        According to the Constitution of the Russian Federation, the President determines the main directions of both foreign and domestic policy. We have a presidential republic, with some elements of a super-presidential and mixed republics.
                  2. dmi.pris1
                    dmi.pris1 7 December 2022 14: 42
                    +16
                    You would be talking about the restoration of the army and rearmament, not la la ... Otherwise, you put yourself in an uncomfortable position. Look, you have to turn to the Persians for "mopeds" .... And not only for UAVs ...
                    1. Tagir Kilmakaev
                      Tagir Kilmakaev 15 December 2022 15: 42
                      0
                      I completely agree, 90% (which I know in the district) of factories are worth it. Sanctions are sanctions, and radioactive shit comes to the Urals from the West on a regular basis.
            2. Vasilyevich Pensioner
              Vasilyevich Pensioner 7 December 2022 10: 12
              -8
              Blame your invention on anyone but yourself.
              It is in all countries. The EU and the State Department blame Russia for their economic failures. They even offer receipts for electricity and other things to be sent to Russia.
              1. Civil
                Civil 7 December 2022 10: 17
                +10
                Quote: Vasilyevich Pensioner
                Blame your invention on anyone but yourself.
                It is in all countries. The EU and the State Department blame Russia for their economic failures. They even offer receipts for electricity and other things to be sent to Russia.

                Can't answer for yourself? Are you kicking the ovs and the gay people again? laughing that's what it is about.
                Let the amyrikos even blame the Martians, what is it to us?
                1. Vasilyevich Pensioner
                  Vasilyevich Pensioner 7 December 2022 10: 20
                  -3
                  Can't answer for yourself? Are you kicking the ovs and the gay people again? laughing that's what it's all about
                  You inattentively read the comment, I'm not talking about blaming the Europeans, pointing out their reason. T / e not dumping on them. And about your statement of our invention of this situation. That's what it's about. feel
                2. runway-1
                  runway-1 7 December 2022 21: 51
                  0
                  Can't answer for yourself? Are you kicking the ovs and the gay people again? laughing is what it's all about.
                  Let the amyrikos even blame the Martians, what is it to us?
                  Here the gentlemen "guardians" work tirelessly, one by one and in groups, they write all kinds of game and even clone ... lol
        2. Plate
          Plate 7 December 2022 09: 42
          +6
          Quote: Civil
          3. Orientation of the state media to the older generation, that is, to people over 65.

          Sometimes there is a feeling that the focus is not on these people, but on the time when they were born and grew up. Seriously, sometimes there is a feeling that the authorities are stuck somewhere in the 80s.
          1. Reptiloid
            Reptiloid 7 December 2022 10: 42
            +15
            Quote: Plate
            .... Seriously, sometimes there is a feeling that the authorities are stuck somewhere in the 80s.

            This is what they strive for! So that in the minds of some people there would be an equal sign between the USSR and the Russian Federation! Whatever they believed, they also respected the authorities. Sometimes even the old rhetoric appears for a short time to give hope.
            1. Reptiloid
              Reptiloid 7 December 2022 11: 45
              +14
              Quote: Reptiloid
              ..... Sometimes even the old rhetoric appears for a short time to give hope

              And then there are words and actions that cross out. To make it clear that the current government respects autocratic power, praises pre-revolutionary power. That he does not want to return to the USSR and socialism, he does not plan. Significant, important matters of the USSR ---- hush up or condemn
            2. Plate
              Plate 7 December 2022 12: 59
              -3
              Quote: Reptiloid
              So that in the minds of some people there would be an equal sign between the USSR and the Russian Federation!

              A crazy goal, honestly. If I have already learned not to take the word of the authorities, then I will not believe any. Neither Soviet, nor Russian, nor monarchist ... And the Union is already a distant past. His experience is useful for study, but when applied directly, it is already largely irrelevant. Even if the government tried to sincerely copy the USSR, it would not be good.
              1. Reptiloid
                Reptiloid 7 December 2022 15: 00
                +12
                Quote: Plate
                ..... Delusional goal, ...... The Union is already a distant past. His experience is useful for studying, but ...... if the authorities tried to sincerely copy the USSR, it would not be good.

                And it's not about reason or sincerity. Older people, they hear some cliches of speech, the memory of the past, of youth under the USSR, is turned on, not even memory, but emotions .... that were for that country, that life, that power .... Or among my peers, can somehow emotions of childhood .... when everything was fine. Such are the tricks, for the benefit of today.
                1. Plate
                  Plate 7 December 2022 15: 38
                  +2
                  Well, now I understand why the authorities continue to use clichés that only cause an ironic smile in me and my friends: they are not designed for us.
          2. Tagir Kilmakaev
            Tagir Kilmakaev 15 December 2022 15: 49
            0
            The authorities are new, the manners are old. People used to go to the elections under the Soviets to buy something tasty, and now they are selling it with promises of a wonderful today and a magnificent future.
            I have not gone to the polls since the drunken Boriska became the first secretary of the Sverdlovsk regional committee of the CPSU and demolished the Ipatiev house in 1976.
        3. insafufa
          insafufa 7 December 2022 13: 24
          +19
          The fact that we are losing to the infowarrior does not write only unless he is lazy.
          Solovyov, who screwed up propaganda and after which propaganda became a dirty word, has a villa in Spain and in Miami had business partners and business connections with those who controlled our fuel and energy complex. Kiselev, Brilev all have real estate abroad. Peskov's daughter lives in France in her apartment. Simonyan is generally a US graduate
          In 95, with the money of American taxpayers, for which many human thanks to them, I came to study in a pretty and smiling village on the shores of Lake Newfound, studded with freshly whitened Protestant churches.

          With agents of influence everywhere, how can you win the infowar
          1. alexoff
            alexoff 10 December 2022 00: 38
            +4
            You can score on the information war if the real war is won, everyone will miss any nonsense of the agents if they see a bloody clown dangling on the lantern. An info war can brighten up a defeat, well, spoil the taste of victory a little, nothing more. But all the regroupings and other difficult decisions, similar to a drain and an agreement (brilliant deals, where we get one big nothing in return) undermine the belief that the country has a capable government and a combat-ready army, in September it turned out that society defends itself, and local authorities should help him in this. It is an undermining of the very essence of the social contract that ordinary people tolerate the power of the state over themselves in exchange for protection.
      2. Plate
        Plate 7 December 2022 09: 38
        -3
        Quote: Doccor18
        Empires are born with great goals. What do we have?

        What was the great purpose behind the founding of the British Empire? I think there was something about "make more money."
        Quote: Doccor18
        They will not let you move from one stage to another, these are the rules.

        They will, if they break the way by force.
        1. Doccor18
          Doccor18 7 December 2022 11: 08
          +13
          Quote: Plate
          What was the great purpose behind the founding of the British Empire?

          Protectionism, the development of the national economy, the capture of the maximum colonial space, the conquest of world maritime dominance - why not a great idea ...?
          1. Plate
            Plate 7 December 2022 13: 29
            +1
            In general, the usual making money and the struggle for power. You do not want to say that the modern Russian authorities do not want any of this? It's about possibilities...
            1. Doccor18
              Doccor18 7 December 2022 13: 47
              +7
              Quote: Plate
              ordinary money making and struggle for power.

              On the ground - yes, but not on a global scale, localism, but not great power, import of everything possible, but not protectionism, parallel imports, but the seizure of foreign markets with their goods.
              Quote: Plate
              In general, the usual

              In general, yes, but how different approaches and end results ...
            2. gromit
              gromit 8 December 2022 14: 09
              +4
              "May there be abundance in that land always!
              Villages, villages, cities will become rich,
              And villages and cities will flourish.
              There are many ships mooring in the bays,
              Guests will trade for their own benefit.
              Rule Britannia by the seas!
              Your people will not be slaves!"

              The British Empire is just an example of a simple and understandable goal. Resonating with all social strata.
              Wealth and prosperity. And greatness has already taken its toll.

              Do you need new lands? Capturing.
              Has the world changed? To hell with the colonies, let them sort it out themselves.

              Please note that there was no mass resettlement of the British in the colony.
              Especially forced (well, except for criminals)) English dream - went to a colony, earned money, returned back.

              And now compare with the mass exodus of Russian peasants from the primordially Russian regions away from the tsar father or "international debt."
              1. Plate
                Plate 8 December 2022 17: 19
                0
                Quote from Gromit
                The British Empire is just an example of a simple and understandable goal. Resonating with all social strata.

                Well, so I pushed Doccor18. No great goals, just a desire to live richer.
                Quote from Gromit
                And now compare with the mass exodus of Russian peasants from the primordially Russian regions away from the tsar father or "international debt."

                By the way. Well, that's why Russia turned out to be so big, I guess. Tried to escape from Russia, but she came running after you :)
        2. Doccor18
          Doccor18 7 December 2022 11: 40
          +3
          Quote: Plate
          They will, if they break the way by force.

          It will not be easy to break one through several ...
        3. Tagir Kilmakaev
          Tagir Kilmakaev 15 December 2022 15: 52
          0
          "What is the strength in, brother?
          And the power is in the truth!"

          Bodrov
          1. Plate
            Plate 15 December 2022 19: 49
            0
            "Force is in Newtons, brother" - joke from physics class.
            The truth is, everyone has their own. As a result, the most truthful truth will be with the one who has more bombs, missiles, shells and other expendable military equipment, whose technical level corresponds to the time of the conflict.
      3. Eroma
        Eroma 7 December 2022 19: 10
        +11
        Quote: Doccor18
        Empires are born with great goals. What do we have?

        Absolutely true thought! good
        It seems that most of the dissatisfied are active people who find it difficult to realize themselves in full! Only at the cost of great efforts they achieve something. The negative of these people is connected not with admiration for the West, but with the actions of the Russian authorities, which created conditions in Russia in which it is very difficult for a creative person to achieve anything! crying this negativity arose even before the NWO, and the war added fuel to the fire and that's it. We can sling mud at the West as much as we like, but look at their billionaires, the most famous today Elon Musk, his business of electric cars and space rockets, Bill Gates is Microsoft, Mark Zuckerberg is the Internet giant Meta, these are the people who created our world and create its future! And we have? Billionaires people either earn on the export of our resources, or sawing the state budget! People who have created something are moving their business abroad, because there you can realize it in full force!
        If a person invents a gravitational aircraft, then in Russia, at best, it will be shown on TV, and in the West he will become a billionaire! And this is a huge problem that the government must solve. In our case, without our own ambitious goal for the country, I think the problem of self-realization of capable and active people cannot be solved! feel
        1. Doccor18
          Doccor18 7 December 2022 21: 25
          +1
          Quote: Eroma
          In our case, without our own ambitious goal for the country, I think the problem of self-realization of capable and active people cannot be solved!

          I absolutely agree. hi
      4. Romanovski
        Romanovski 7 December 2022 21: 08
        -7
        A provocative article ... The people of Russia understand everything perfectly and the OVERALL MOST of the citizens of the Russian Federation support THEIR (!) President and THEIR (!) Fighters in the NWO ...
        1. zurbagan63
          zurbagan63 8 December 2022 12: 00
          +4
          Quote from Romanovski
          A provocative article ... The people of Russia understand everything perfectly and the OVERALL MOST of the citizens of the Russian Federation support THEIR (!) President and THEIR (!) Fighters in the NWO ...
          Cancel the president's pension reform and immediately millions of "pre-pensioners" and younger ones turn to face him, not backwards.
          1. Tagir Kilmakaev
            Tagir Kilmakaev 15 December 2022 16: 01
            0
            We worked in the USSR on the first grid, my friend retired before me, but on the 2nd. I already went out on general grounds at 60.
            The new authorities slowly removed all benefits. Our office was at Sorting, where it banged in 1989, the railway dispatcher is to blame. The accounting department was blown away by an explosive wave - almost hundreds of ships have already passed, and things are still there, although when they retire, everyone has a mark "the archive died as a result of the explosion .......". Those. pension payments began to be calculated from scratch after this event, but not from the authorities.
          2. Tagir Kilmakaev
            Tagir Kilmakaev 15 December 2022 16: 19
            0
            So that there are no questions - it exploded at st. Sverdlovsk-sorting.
            "Initially, the investigating authorities considered that the accident occurred due to the error of two dispatchers. Station dispatcher Tatyana Khamova gave the wrong command to the locomotive, which was supposed to hold the train with explosives, and the power dispatcher on duty Olga Rodnenko pressed the power button after the electric pole fell and the lights went out. The first mistake led to a collision of trains, the second - to a fire and explosion. Later, another detail surfaced - a violation of the rules for transporting explosives. TNT and RDX were packed in flammable paper and jute bags. Dangerous goods were not secured, and they were transported by wagons with faulty hatches and holes in the floor".
            The explosion itself occurred before the slide dissolution and formation under the footbridge. Broken glass in the store Ocean at a distance of 9 km from the epicenter.
    2. Reptiloid
      Reptiloid 7 December 2022 10: 35
      +7
      Quote: Aerodrome
      ...... after the murder of the USSR, a new country, with the old name Russia, obviously rolled in the wrong direction. and did not become an Empire, and "his own" for the whole world. no matter how puffed up from the TV screens, .....

      Where did such self-confidence come from? Without even looking deep into the centuries, but remembering the 19th and the beginning of the 20th, it is clear that even then
      "own" for the whole world

      Was not! From the word --- TOTALLY! And the first Russian grabbing thieves decided that they were smarter than everyone else and they would be taken for an equal right now! negative sad And they still hope so! fool If they have learned how to use eating devices, then their old aristocracy will accept. Indian house
      1. haron
        haron 7 December 2022 18: 47
        -2
        Quote: Reptiloid
        Was not! From the word --- TOTALLY!

        Can you name at least one country or empire that was "own" for the whole world?
        Has such a state ever existed in history? They have already tried to be good for everyone ... in different Africa and China. It is not necessary to be neither good nor bad, one must be adequate.
        1. Reptiloid
          Reptiloid 8 December 2022 03: 51
          -1
          .....be appropriate.....

          ??? in relation to countries sounds unclear wassat
          Think back to the 19th century. The Congress of Vienna took place, where the Russian Tsar was in the spotlight. And then? Crimean War. What attitude to Russia and why? And among themselves, some countries were "ours"
          Or --- Russian troops gave an uprising in Hungary. What about Habsburg? Even in this case, RI was not her own
          1. haron
            haron 8 December 2022 09: 59
            -1
            Quote: Reptiloid
            Or --- Russian troops gave an uprising in Hungary. What about Habsburg?

            Nicholas had a very strong reason to suppress this uprising, because by doing this he defended his interests and territories acquired after the Congress of Vienna.
            You did not answer the question.
            Has there ever been a country or empire that was "own" for the whole world?
          2. haron
            haron 8 December 2022 10: 03
            0
            Quote: Reptiloid
            ??? in relation to countries sounds unclear

            Naturally it is not clear. In the same way as "to be one's own", "to be a normal" country.
            "Adequate" may refer to the government of the country, or as it is now fashionable "decision center"
      2. Alf
        Alf 7 December 2022 20: 25
        +2
        Quote: Reptiloid
        Indian

        Indian.
        1. Reptiloid
          Reptiloid 8 December 2022 04: 02
          +1
          Quote: Alf
          ....Indian.

          Aha! Wigwam! !hi that's how it ruins the tablet
          1. Alf
            Alf 8 December 2022 19: 25
            +1
            Quote: Reptiloid
            Quote: Alf
            ....Indian.

            Aha! Wigwam! !hi that's how it ruins the tablet

            laughing
      3. alexoff
        alexoff 10 December 2022 00: 43
        -1
        There is an opinion that they did not become their own, because they behaved not like Europeans, but like native leaders selling their people into slavery to white masters for a gun and beads. Europeans never sold their people to their neighbors, aristocrats always preferred their own, and ours are ready to kill each other in order to sit down at the table with the masters. Perhaps the United States made Japan and Germany great economies again because they fought to the end for their place in the sun. And the French, for example, merged, because their colonies were quickly squeezed out and they began to live worse than the Germans
    3. Nesvoy
      Nesvoy 7 December 2022 21: 02
      +3
      Patriotism is the religion of the mad. If memory serves, Oscar Wilde used to say so.
      1. Reptiloid
        Reptiloid 8 December 2022 04: 22
        -2
        Quote from Nesvoy
        .... that's what Oscar Wilde used to say.

        When in England he was imprisoned for infamy? And why are the words of a pervert written here
    4. Prosperity
      Prosperity 7 December 2022 22: 41
      +6
      I hope censorship will not let it through, dear ones, until this day I endured all the comments, we are from Central Asia and were born under the USSR, many of us miss those times, but life goes on, and we see Russia as the USSR, in which many nationalities live, lately we read only about the Russian world, Russia is not the Russian world, Russia is multinational, where do you mention the Kumyks? Or Bashkirs? Tatars? Balkarov? Karachaytsev? Dagestanis? Khakasses, Chuvashs, Adygs, do not forget that the Second World War fought from the USSR, now in Russia you have such young people who think that the Russians will decide this time, although there is no family without a black sheep, we all live in a new era,.
      1. Reptiloid
        Reptiloid 8 December 2022 04: 27
        0
        Please do not be offended. Why don't we mention other nationalities? Probably because for many years we have been living together with them in the same country.
      2. Vasilyevich Pensioner
        Vasilyevich Pensioner 8 December 2022 07: 34
        0
        lately we have been reading only about the Russian world, Russia is not the Russian world, Russia is multinational
        The Russian world is not Russian. This is a state of mind. Don't you see how many, of different nationalities, declare - I am of such and such a nationality and I am Russian. I live in Siberia and we have the norm that the work team is multinational. But I don’t remember a single case when someone focused on someone’s nationality. Attitude only on how a person is professional in his work.
        1. EFIM LYUBIN
          EFIM LYUBIN 10 December 2022 19: 20
          +1
          Vasilyevich Pensioner, you are the closest to the truth! From a person living thousands of kilometers from Russia, an addition - Russian is not a nationality, Russian is the definition of mentality! All immigrants from the collapsed USSR or today's Russia are called Russians! And it does not depend on the real nationality of the person! This is the perception of the World and its values ​​according to the values ​​of the Russian mentality! There is nothing similar among other peoples, with the exception of three more peoples living in three states of Asia.
    5. Romanovski
      Romanovski 8 December 2022 19: 54
      +2
      If I understand correctly, then "VO" sometimes provides a platform for those who like to publicly criticize the current government in the DIFFICULT MILITARY (!) Time of NWO ... This is not good. It's not that the current government is not mistaken ... Yes, sometimes it is mistaken (along with successes ... and considerable ones ...) and some mistakes lead to considerable losses .... But, in MILITARY (!) Time to criticize power (which they don’t change at the crossing ...) means to prevent the CONSOLIDATION of society into ONE POWERFUL fist to achieve Victory ... If in 1941 in the USSR it would be allowed for everyone who is not too lazy to criticize power in the media (!!!), then the USSR would not see Victory over the enemy of mankind ...
      And to the liberal and pro-WESTERN forces in the Russian Federation - it can be said with confidence that after the Victory in the NWO - in Russia a lot will change for the better and COMMUNIST (Chinese-style), patriotic, popular, conciliar, SPIRITUAL side, and the liberal pro-Western foreign agents will be announced in plain text : "Suitcase, station - to the West, to muddy the water there."
      1. Vasilyevich Pensioner
        Vasilyevich Pensioner 8 December 2022 20: 08
        0
        "..In time of war, one should not speak ill of one's own. Never. Even if they are wrong. Even if your country is wrong in time of war, you must not speak ill of it. It is a very old, simple and primitive principle, but it is so. When war does not threaten when the war is over - then yes, you can say: this was not so, and it was not so. Let's try not to happen in the future .. "
        Sergei Bodrov.
        1. Romanovski
          Romanovski 8 December 2022 20: 18
          0
          "...Never...."
          --------
          That's it...
      2. alexoff
        alexoff 10 December 2022 00: 47
        -1
        We criticize the authorities because they don’t seem to be going to fight for the country, as if they want a shameful peace at any cost, as if they are ready to exchange people for an ammonia pipeline, the money from which will go into the pocket of the oligarch, and not for the purchase of thousands of drones or at least the high salaries of Togliatti residents
      3. zenion
        zenion 10 December 2022 17: 56
        -2
        Of course people are wrong. But you can't be wrong all the time. Reminds me of an anecdote about how, when pouring vodka into glasses, they pour a full one for themselves, and a little at the bottom for another. It may be once, but if it's permanent, what do you call it?
      4. MaKeNa
        MaKeNa 12 December 2022 21: 32
        0
        What military time? NWO is not a war! The Kremlin does not wage any wars! There is no martial law. We neutralize the fighters! Not fascists, not Nazis - fighters.
  2. vitalm
    vitalm 7 December 2022 05: 46
    +32
    To make patriotism a national idea is absurd.
    1. Zhan
      Zhan 7 December 2022 07: 28
      +8
      Quote: vitalm
      To make patriotism a national idea is absurd.

      I do not agree, but in order for there to be patriotism, at least a welfare state is needed. Even take the ratio of the number of population and resources, in Russia at least everyone should be provided with work and provided. And for the system that exists, it is unprofitable to feed your people and develop your country. As soon as this miracle happens, believe me and patriotism will appear.
      1. kor1vet1974
        kor1vet1974 7 December 2022 08: 23
        +20
        in order to be patriotic
        You need to be proud of the country at least at the household level: a vacuum cleaner made from Russian components, a car made from them .. damn it .. the same cat litter that it is better than foreign .. and of course medicine and education ..
      2. Dilettante grandfather
        Dilettante grandfather 7 December 2022 09: 00
        +9
        I disagree, but in order for there to be patriotism, at least a welfare state is needed
        I agree. But in addition to this, high-quality upbringing and education of the younger generation is necessary. Not only in an ideological context, but simply - qualitatively. And patriotism cannot be an idea; it either exists or it doesn't.
      3. parma
        parma 7 December 2022 09: 08
        +1
        Quote: Zhan
        Quote: vitalm
        To make patriotism a national idea is absurd.

        I do not agree, but in order for there to be patriotism, at least a welfare state is needed. Even take the ratio of the number of population and resources, in Russia at least everyone should be provided with work and provided. And for the system that exists, it is unprofitable to feed your people and develop your country. As soon as this miracle happens, believe me and patriotism will appear.

        I have to disagree with you or with your predecessor... take the US - the country has a very high level of patriotism, and not from social benefits. Citizens value the feeling of participation and being needed in the state. Yes, the system may not be too fair, but the main thing is participation and the feeling that your opinion is important. Why is it bad when out of almost 500 deputies everyone votes unanimously on any issue? Or that the elected mayor / governor does not care at all about the population of his city / district / region (well, if it is not a large and at least somewhat significant federal region)? The population sees this and understands it perfectly, and accordingly transfers its attitude to the state ...
        1. Vasilyevich Pensioner
          Vasilyevich Pensioner 7 December 2022 09: 11
          +5
          take the United States - the country has a very high level of patriotism, and not from social benefits.
          And the reasons are simple, they bring up patriotism from an early age, and this is the norm for their society. The one who is not a patriot will look like an outcast.
          1. parma
            parma 7 December 2022 09: 34
            +3
            Quote: Vasilyevich Pensioner
            take the United States - the country has a very high level of patriotism, and not from social benefits.
            And the reasons are simple, they bring up patriotism from an early age, and this is the norm for their society. The one who is not a patriot will look like an outcast.

            The question is not only (and not so much) in the education of patriotism, but in the feeling of participation. Each citizen knows his representative and the programs he declares (not the fact that they are fully executed). For the most part, we only know the name of the party, and the “representatives” show themselves only before the elections and are in no way separated from their faction, faceless ...
            1. Vasilyevich Pensioner
              Vasilyevich Pensioner 7 December 2022 09: 43
              +2
              Every citizen knows his representative and the programs he declares
              But do they not vote for electors who do not know who they will vote for. Even though they make promises.
              1. parma
                parma 7 December 2022 10: 20
                0
                Quote: Vasilyevich Pensioner
                Every citizen knows his representative and the programs he declares
                But do they not vote for electors who do not know who they will vote for. Even though they make promises.

                I don’t remember well now, but it seems that only 20+ electors have the right to vote as they want, the remaining 500+ must, in accordance with the will of the majority of their district. In general, in the United States, the voting system is very funny, or something ... it’s not the majority in the country that decides, but the majority in each individual district, those votes of a district with a population of 500 thousand people are equal to the vote of a district with a population of 100 thousand, even if the candidates scored everything 540 and 60 thousand votes. This is an archaism of 200 years ago, of course, when it was worse with means of communication, but they don’t touch it, as it is written in the “sacred cow” - the constitution.
                But in general, I wrote about senators, in the USA the vote of a senator (deputy) against the majority of his party is quite common.
                1. Mikhail Ya2
                  Mikhail Ya2 7 December 2022 15: 35
                  0
                  This was done so that the small states would agree to join the confederation, they were promised equal voting rights, with the large states
                2. Sergej1972
                  Sergej1972 8 December 2022 00: 26
                  0
                  The electoral system is only for presidential elections in the United States. But in each state, they vote not for specific electors, but for competing lists of electors. And in the vast majority of states, the list that gets the majority gets all the seats in the electoral college that the state is entitled to. And the fact that you write about 20 people who can vote at their discretion, then you are not writing about deputies, but about delegates to the party congresses of Democrats and Republicans. The vast majority are required to vote as authorized by the organizations of the Democratic and Republican parties in the states. But there are superdelegates who vote as they see fit. They are a minority, but in some situations their votes are very important when nominating candidates for the presidency. As for the difference in the number of voters, it is necessary to distinguish between elections to the Senate and the House of Representatives. There are two representatives from each state in the Senate. Therefore, naturally, the number of voters is not the same in small and large states. And constituencies for elections to the House of Representatives are approximately equal. Complete equality in the number of voters cannot be achieved. There is one requirement - every state, even a small one like Maine, must have at least one representative in the House of Representatives.
              2. solar
                solar 7 December 2022 11: 15
                -3
                They know for whom. Although electors can technically vote for anyone, there has never been a case where an elector did not vote in accordance with established rules and this would affect the results of the vote.
                1. Vasilyevich Pensioner
                  Vasilyevich Pensioner 7 December 2022 11: 27
                  0
                  I will not go into their system, here is just an excerpt from an article about the fact that non-citizens are of decisive importance.
                  Donald Trump (at the time of signing the issue to print) won 25 out of 50 states, while his rival Democrat Joseph Biden "took" only 18. However, by the number of electors, it is they, and not ordinary citizens, who determine the future president in an indirect electoral system
                  1. Sergej1972
                    Sergej1972 8 December 2022 00: 39
                    +1
                    Well, after all, the number of electors from large, medium and small states is not the same. The number of electors from each state is equal to the number of senators (always two) and congressmen (but the number of representatives in the House of Representatives depends on the number of residents). Therefore, 10 large states can send more electors than 20 small ones. And plus, you also need to take into account that in the vast majority of states there is such a principle that the electoral list that comes in first place receives all the seats in the electoral college from the state. Relatively speaking, the state must elect 20 electors. 49% voted conditionally for the Democratic list, 47% for the Republican list, and 4% for the Third Party list. All 20 electors will be from the list of the Democratic Party. That is, there are serious distortions in this system. Several times US Presidents were people who received a majority in the Electoral College, but who were in second place in terms of the number of popular votes. By the way, in 2916, if there were direct elections in the United States, Hillary Clinton would have become President. More people voted for her than for Trump. But in the Electoral College, the advantage was with the supporters of the Republican Party.
                    1. Vasilyevich Pensioner
                      Vasilyevich Pensioner 8 December 2022 07: 18
                      0
                      So I'm talking about the same thing, only without details.
                    2. Sergej1972
                      Sergej1972 8 December 2022 07: 29
                      0
                      In 2016, of course. I didn't notice the typo in the date.
                    3. solar
                      solar 8 December 2022 10: 02
                      -3
                      That is, there are serious distortions in this system.

                      There are no distortions. In the States, the president is elected by the states, not the population, the States have a federal structure, this is traditional and everyone knows in advance. Another electoral system.
                      1. Sergej1972
                        Sergej1972 8 December 2022 12: 09
                        0
                        But the number of electors from each state is not the same. On the other hand, it is not entirely proportional to the number of inhabitants. Small states are slightly overrepresented, and large states are slightly underrepresented. And the majoritarian principle of electing members of the electoral college from the state also distorts the result. I do not agree that the president is elected by the states. This would be the case if the members of the Electoral College were elected by the Congresses of the individual states. Still, the Electoral College is elected by the people of the state, and it may consist of members of a party that does not control the local Congress and / or the post of governor. In the US, many believe that the presidential election scheme is archaic and needs to be changed. In all other federal presidential republics in the world, Presidents are directly elected, and no one considers this a violation of the principles of federalism.
                  2. solar
                    solar 8 December 2022 09: 59
                    -2
                    According to established practice in the United States, the president is not elected directly by the population, but by the states. Which is quite consistent with their federal system.
                    In any case, the important fact is that this voting system is known to the voter in advance and has never been significantly violated.
                    1. Sergej1972
                      Sergej1972 8 December 2022 12: 13
                      0
                      The electoral system is, of course, semi-formal. No one is interested in individuals from the lists of electors from the party. The main thing is that they vote for a candidate from their party. And this Electoral College itself as a whole never meets, the electors from each state and the District of Columbia vote at their place, on the spot.
                2. Sergej1972
                  Sergej1972 8 December 2022 00: 41
                  0
                  There were such cases, but they are not very frequent, and they did not affect the results of the elections. Such electors are called unscrupulous.
                  1. solar
                    solar 8 December 2022 10: 06
                    -2
                    I wrote about this
                    there was no case when the elector did not vote in accordance with the established rules and this would affect the results of the vote.

                    In most cases, the elector and the people in this case obviously understood that his vote was symbolic for some reason - or to draw attention to some problem or for some other reason. Not once did the electors change the results.
          2. GIS
            GIS 7 December 2022 09: 50
            +4
            WOOOOOOT!!!
            here is the answer to everything before the comments. IN THE HEAD INVESTING FROM YOUNG YEARS that your country is the MOST MOST!!!
            and don’t care that afrobooms are lying nearby and garbage is rotting on the street. the main thing is that the country is WOW!!!
            this is the ideology that everyone is silent about, or vice versa, they make films denigrating the state with the money of the state, programs are staged that undermine faith in the state, events are held that repel the state .... well, what else to add. only we ourselves can by kicking bureaucrats at least somehow change this
          3. Per se.
            Per se. 7 December 2022 18: 36
            +4
            Quote: Vasilyevich Pensioner
            The one who is not a patriot will look like an outcast.


            As an example, to begin with, the word "Patriot" must be written in Cyrillic, that is, in Russian, at least on those UAZs that are not exported.
            Most importantly, what can be patriotism under the rule of the oligarchs, who are sitting under world capitalism? If there is "Satanism" in the West, this is a disease of capitalism itself, in which Russia also sits. It is probably difficult to defeat the bourgeois, being in their bourgeoisie. What can we offer the same crested, instead of their oligarchs, our Abramoviches and Potanins?
            No, democrat guys, with such money-dependent "patriotism" there will only be money. With the morality of consumers and the cult of money, there can be no other "national idea" except the mercantile one. It is necessary to change morality, and make the power of the people.
        2. Eule
          Eule 8 December 2022 22: 46
          -1
          Quote: parma
          USA - the country has a very high level of patriotism, and not from social benefits.

          But from freedom. Freedom to work, invent, build a house, and in general do everything that does not interfere with others. The Second Amendment is a founding part of the US Constitution.
          Until in the Russian Federation it is written in the constitution that "The basis of the existence of the country is the armed people. No one has the right to restrict the possession of weapons and related rights." And in the Criminal Code - the articles "Calls to limit the possession of weapons or the signing of documents on these restrictions" - with life or death, the United States cannot be caught up.
      4. vitalm
        vitalm 23 December 2022 20: 13
        0
        So earlier they were brought up from early childhood to love the Motherland (October, pioneer, Komsomol).
        And now at least 3 generations have been lost, try to impose on them love for the Fatherland at the age of 20-25, when money, clothes, tiktok, etc., are in your head. Of course, not everything is so sad in the outback.
        Damn, make at least a nationalist - reach and land the first Russian expedition on Mars, so it’s good for the ruling class on Earth.
        Without socialism, we will not even be able to organize flights into space and reach a new technological level.
        Remember how 3 thousand enterprises built the Energia-Buran system, now we cannot even restore the production of Energia.
        Therefore, patriotism should not be nationalist, but deep, from the heart.
        He must be vaccinated parents, grandparents, films, cartoons. It should be given by a kindergarten with poems and fairy tales, a school with works, lessons with Heroes, competitions, NVP lessons, and not impose the Constitution and presidential speeches on children at school age.
        Something like that, chaotic - sorry!
    2. Aleprok
      Aleprok 7 December 2022 09: 46
      +2
      Patriotism cannot be a national idea; it is the state of mind of a citizen. Pride for your country. To do this, it is not necessary to be like the United States the richest in terms of living standards, although this is also important. We need social justice, accessibility and quality of education and healthcare, care for the elderly, the disabled and children, a formulated goal of existence, and ... truth in the communication of power with the people
      1. Mikhail Ya2
        Mikhail Ya2 7 December 2022 15: 39
        +3
        Someone correctly said: if a country thinks how to educate patriotism, then it has already lost the battle for its patriots
    3. Alf
      Alf 8 December 2022 19: 28
      +1
      Quote: vitalm
      To make patriotism a national idea is absurd.

      Well, excuse me, the current government cannot offer anything else, it’s not possible to introduce the idea of ​​social justice of the capitalist government as an ideology ...
    4. Romanovski
      Romanovski 8 December 2022 20: 23
      +2
      ""... To make patriotism a national idea is absurd...".
      ----------------
      It seems to be a banal stupidity, but I scored 35 (!) pluses and 4 (!) minuses .... A question for the admins of "VO" - WHY ???
    5. alexoff
      alexoff 10 December 2022 00: 49
      -2
      Why a national idea at all? We are ordinary people, we live our own lives, the neighbors who have gone behind the fence are raging. Do you really need an idea to pile on them with a drain and build an extension with a bathhouse?
    6. zenion
      zenion 10 December 2022 17: 59
      -3
      If there is no other, then it will do if they remain silent. I remember Khrushchev, who promised communism in the USSR in three seven-year plans. Now that's exactly what it is. So that the people would be silent, they started a war. After all, during the war you need to be silent and shed blood in patriotism.
  3. Lech from Android.
    Lech from Android. 7 December 2022 05: 51
    +1
    But the fact that the authorities completely lost the fight for minds on the Internet is a fact.

    I agree ... there is no activity of our state there from the word at all ... except for the numerous prohibitions hehe Roskomnadzor.
    I often have to enter into a verbal battle with numerous Russophobes on the Internet fields ... I get the missing adrenaline from this. smile
    1. krops777
      krops777 7 December 2022 06: 16
      +20
      I agree ... there is no activity of our state there from the word at all


      Do they need it? They don’t need a readership, they will draw any numbers, but for the restless, an article, a club, they competently fenced themselves off from the people, what do they care about slaves.
  4. samarin1969
    samarin1969 7 December 2022 06: 04
    +32
    And what's with the "fight for minds"?! In terms of the size of hostilities - war. But recreational activities are at the federal level. Instead of bringing the economy under control, curtsy to cosmopolitan business. The wealthy rest in Turkey and do not deny themselves anything. The goals of the NWO are "figuratively" formulated.
    This "schizophrenia" sees the whole nation. And to believe that propaganda can change this whole mess is crazy stupidity.
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    2. Plate
      Plate 7 December 2022 09: 55
      +7
      And schizophrenia is already in its second round, mind you. The same thing happened during the covid pandemic.
    3. Sergej1972
      Sergej1972 8 December 2022 00: 43
      0
      Yes, and middle-class people also have a rest "in Turkey."
  5. Lech from Android.
    Lech from Android. 7 December 2022 06: 17
    +8
    Quote: samarin1969
    And to believe that propaganda can change this whole mess is crazy stupidity.

    The cunning Abramovich is probably laughing at all this in his residence in London. smile
    Everything goes according to plan.
    1. Popenko
      Popenko 7 December 2022 07: 22
      +3
      And he, by chance, was not kicked from London?
    2. Zhan
      Zhan 7 December 2022 07: 30
      +2
      Quote: Lech from Android.
      Quote: samarin1969
      And to believe that propaganda can change this whole mess is crazy stupidity.

      The cunning Abramovich is probably laughing at all this in his residence in London. smile
      Everything goes according to plan.

      So it seems he screwed up in Israel.
      1. Mikhail Ya2
        Mikhail Ya2 7 December 2022 15: 40
        0
        He was kicked out. There were pictures where he was sitting at the airport, waiting for permission to fly from Israel
    3. tralflot1832
      tralflot1832 7 December 2022 08: 14
      +1
      You take far about Abramovich. Where his yacht Eclipse is, there he is. bully He's much closer.
      1. Asad
        Asad 7 December 2022 15: 44
        -1
        Did our negotiator move to Sochi?
        1. tralflot1832
          tralflot1832 7 December 2022 15: 53
          +1
          I didn’t find a place in Turkey. I feel where the loot can be cut down out of the blue. Not only Erdogan will cash in on re-export.
  6. parusnik
    parusnik 7 December 2022 06: 21
    +18
    So there is patriotism
    Our ideology is patriotism (c). Our government has a brain rupture. The fighters against communism erect monuments to the fighters against communism, Ilyin, Solzhenitsin, and immediately erect a monument to the communist, F. Castro, only because he is against the USA .. And the USA is against us today. The enemy of my unfriendly partner, my friend, at the moment.
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  8. Popenko
    Popenko 7 December 2022 07: 20
    +4
    Customs officer Vereshchagin said, "It's a shame for the state." Now we, because the state is we, have raised a citizen who is offended by the lack of jamon, foreign resorts closed to him, the lack of foreign cars, etc. Such citizens are not yet the majority, but everything is moving towards this. And when and if it comes, then we will become Geyropa.
    1. kor1vet1974
      kor1vet1974 7 December 2022 08: 17
      +7
      it’s us, we raised a citizen who is offended by the lack of jamon, foreign resorts closed to him, the lack of foreign cars
      That is, before February 24, life was better, life was more fun? With jamons, foreign resorts, foreign cars? And we don’t need any patriotism. We’ll buy everything we need from them. We don’t need our own.
      1. Plate
        Plate 7 December 2022 10: 01
        -2
        Quote: kor1vet1974
        We buy everything we need from them. We don’t need our own.

        You need your own, but not all. For example, why be able to produce processors if we can sell nuclear reactors and buy processors with this money? Or why be able to make cars if we can make tanks and planes? Sold tanks with planes - bought cars. Or he sold wheat, and with this money he flew to Turkey. Is it bad? Good! But this is, of course, a rather idealized situation. In reality, we prefer not to engage in the promotion of their goods (I suspect this is because they simply do not know how, since the Soviet realities in which the current rulers grew up did not at all oblige to develop such a skill) and the development of complex industries, but they want to pump oil and gas. But the same China is successfully and rapidly developing due to foreign trade. The thing is very useful - selling your own unnecessary and buying someone else's necessary - you just need to be able to use it.
        1. Eule
          Eule 8 December 2022 22: 51
          -1
          In order to develop production, it is necessary to throw off the fees to the Pension Fund from the neck of enterprises, reduce VAT and severely limit the extra charge for electricity from the price of nuclear power plants.
          Since there is no technology yet to cancel winter.
          Well, the progressive scale of taxes - from income less than 500 euros per month - zero taxes and fees, 500 - 1000 - a few percent, and so on. And gradation by type of employment - more taxes from officials, less from workers and engineers.
    2. 2 Level Advisor
      2 Level Advisor 7 December 2022 08: 27
      +9
      Quote: Popenko
      a citizen who is offended by the lack of jamon, foreign resorts closed to him, the lack of cars of foreign cars, etc.

      Do you think that now - what you have listed, young people do not need and someone does not want a foreign car and trips to resorts? and in the USSR, do you think many people would refuse this? I don't think this is the issue..
      1. solar
        solar 7 December 2022 11: 19
        -3
        and in the USSR, do you think many people would refuse this?

        In the USSR, they simply did not try this, and therefore there was nothing to refuse. I remember when an associate professor I knew came to Germany in the 90s, when he returned, he said, of course, I knew that we were in the ass, but I didn’t know that we were in that.
        1. 2 Level Advisor
          2 Level Advisor 7 December 2022 12: 14
          +1
          Quote from solar
          In the USSR, they simply did not try this, and therefore there was nothing to refuse. I remember when an associate professor I knew came to Germany in the 90s, when he returned, he said, of course, I knew that we were in the ass, but I didn’t know that we were in that.

          Well, you see, the reason is why the associate professor had such thoughts. and in the USSR there were cars and resorts too .. not Mercedes and the Maldives, but VAZ and Bulgaria from Yalta / Sochi - were no less desirable - in their absence ..
  9. Shark Lover
    Shark Lover 7 December 2022 07: 22
    +6
    I will try to understand patriotism using the example of the governor. I will not name the names and the region, because the Internet is encrypted, no one will understand)).
    Everyone knows who this governor is, where he came from, who he was, where and in what areas, before ours, he lit up, left the palaces, people sighed with relief there, he left, thank God, at least there will be order. Everyone knows how he, during the pandemic, yelled at the entire region, I’ll track you with drones, we’ll buy you, everyone knows how some agricultural industries, ours, were ruined (survived to spite everyone), for the sake of a grant won by a talented entrepreneur, namesake ,maybe. Everyone knows that the woman next to him is a talented businesswoman, philanthropist, the richest lady, but this is not a wife, she just hangs around (officially not a wife), I have nothing, it's all her)))).
    SVO has begun. This governor often flies by the belt, carries a lot of things to our units, uploads a photo, often rubs at the training grounds (uploads a photo, maybe not often), bloggers have already dubbed him this name-Patriot! It seems that this is already his work-war, parts from the regions.
    So the question is a patriot or a political scent? They say it has a great scent.
  10. north 2
    north 2 7 December 2022 07: 25
    -2
    Patriotism is not a party that you can join or not join. Patriotism is not a commodity that can be purchased. This is an intimate state of mind of everyone, in relation to the goals of the country, which, without changing the centuries-old traditions and History, sees a clear path and goal where it is going. From the time of Ivan the Third to the time of Nicholas the First, no one forced anyone to be patriots of Russia, and they didn’t even know such a word, but everyone in their hearts followed the unadvertised idea in order to grow from a small Moscow principality to the largest in the world Empires. And those who did not follow this idea, but were against it, were brought to Moscow in a cage, like Emelka ... By the way, Pugachev was a project of the Turks and the British. But after the glorious victory in 1812, the project and calculation of the West on those who did not follow the idea of ​​​​the Empire worked and the country soon received the Decembrists and then Herzen. But the tsar was no longer Ivan the Terrible, not Peter the Great, and not Catherine the Great, therefore he hanged only a few rebels, did not tear out the roots of the opponents of the Empire and all sorts of revolutionaries who called themselves soon divorced so much that the whole Empire collapsed. And Tsar Nicholas II already began hysterically shout about patriotism ...
    Thank God that later the Almighty sent the Great Stalin to Russia, who again restored and created the Empire. Tens of millions followed this Red imperial idea, and those who were against it were not taken to Moscow like Emelka in an iron cage. An iron "funnel" came for them and took them straight to the wall or straight to prison for twenty-five years. And rising to the attack and shouting the words "For the Motherland", "For Stalin", in the soul and in the subconscious, people intimately meant "For Our Empire" and "For Its Leader."
    So while what should be whole is destroyed, no calls to be patriots will give any result. As Frolov-Krymsky wrote - "Patriotism is not sold as a load to berets, boots or coats ..." The only question is where is the one who will restore what should be whole ... Was he already born, or maybe already in does he go to school, maybe he is already studying at the university, or maybe he commands a regiment or brigade in the Donbass in the NVO?
    1. Mikhail3
      Mikhail3 7 December 2022 08: 19
      -9
      Quote: north 2
      But the tsar was no longer Ivan the Terrible, not Peter the Great, and not Catherine the Great

      Peter the Great was such a Western project, and dealt such a blow to Russia that he can only be compared with Gorbachev. And with Yeltsin, in one bottle) You should not put him on a par with the great Sovereigns, and Catherine, an ethnic German, was one of the really great Russian queens) And so you all write correctly ...
  11. User_neydobniu
    User_neydobniu 7 December 2022 07: 30
    +4
    What to do with all this?

    Should I start conducting the NWO normally, and not make gestures of goodwill and talk about Ukrainian brothers? Stop selling and pumping oil through Ukraine? Or maybe start arrests of the oligarchy that takes an active pro-Western position?
    Yep, some bullshit wassat
  12. ALARI
    ALARI 7 December 2022 08: 09
    +13
    The authorities lost the battle for the minds of the Russians - the headline does not contain one word WHEN it lost. I don’t think the CBO has started and everyone loses at once, this doesn’t happen. Let the government answer a simple question, what did it do that such headlines appear.
  13. Mikhail3
    Mikhail3 7 December 2022 08: 13
    +10
    Those over 35 are not very amenable to any kind of propaganda. The disintegration of critical thinking begins again only when a person quits the active work of the brain and tells himself that he is already too old for all this, that is, on average after 55 years.
    This time interval - from 35 to 55 years, that is, the most active period of people's lives, has many features. For example, it is frankly stupid to collect data about these people on the network. They rarely participate in surveys and surveys. They already know what kind of flower they look like) They rarely speak completely frankly. They are difficult to catch in a standardization grid of any kind. They are, sadly, smart.
    In order to organize the phenomena indicated by the author on the sites, you just need to buy their administration and threaten it. Since our government does nothing to protect citizens beyond the absolute minimum, and does not help any of the patriots in any way, site owners simply have no choice. Or they'll be found dead under the fence. Because they earn money, but not at all such as to resist the American special services, which, since the 90s of that century, have been killing anyone they want in "our" country and buying whoever they want in "our" country.
    "Losing the battle for the minds" did not happen now. The conscious part of the population cannot be fooled by a quick propaganda campaign, this is not how it works. Adults involved in the country's economy constantly interact with our government. Virtually every day. And this very "loss" comes from thirty years of communication with the authorities. We know too well what our power is. Alas.
    Much of the people's trust in the supreme power consists of the belief that Putin has a Plan. That is, the KGB colonel is completely different from all the rest of his ... well, you understand ..., and the people hope that Putin has some kind of leverage and ideas that he will use at a critical moment. All this year we have been waiting, well, when, when?! It is now clear that our government has nothing. Nothing will happen.
    And if we continue actions in the current vein, then everything will come down to the results that any of our state projects has. That is, a complete collapse with sweeping under the carpet. We really run the risk of seeing Ukrainian troops near Moscow if the level of organization is not higher than the current one. And people want us to at least not lose. All this is dreary and sad, but an adult, intelligent, averagely informed person cannot come to other conclusions. Like or don't like anywhere...
    1. Igor_Lvovich
      Igor_Lvovich 7 December 2022 08: 28
      +14
      We also thought about Gorbachev that he had a plan.
      1. AdAstra
        AdAstra 7 December 2022 10: 24
        +2
        So he had, just not the one that many thought.
  14. Woodman
    Woodman 7 December 2022 08: 17
    -8
    The authorities completely lost the fight for minds on the Internet - this is a fact.

    it is not worth speaking out in support of the state, they will merge karma to zero,

    any mention of government actions, good or bad, is always met with negativity, and comments in support are minus zero.

    the notion that we are doing something wrong becomes dominant.
    And the administration of the resource in the form of moderation actively supports this,

    Based on the article, we can conclude (more precisely, confirm earlier observations) that the authorities "lose the battle for the minds" exclusively on individual resources, where the administration of a particular resource makes a bet "on losing". Where the administration of the resource is at least neutral, the "battle for the minds" is at least equal. Even if individual authors over and over again give out provocative materials of a very specific direction. And the overall "picture" depends largely on the authors. Because hype is money. And hype is easier to do on the negative. Still, for many, your "pocket" is more important. And so even the cissoshniks grazing here and there in herds will not change the picture if they are not supported by the administration of the resource.
    1. 2 Level Advisor
      2 Level Advisor 7 December 2022 08: 47
      +5
      there is certainly a grain of truth in your words, but the fact that the younger generation has much weaker support for the authorities than the older one, according to my observations, is a fact .. I think to a large extent due to the fact that for them the USSR and the 90s are a distant past century (which is actually true), but they live today and for comparison they use not the 90s, but with "5-10-15 years ago" and in fact this is a normal process for a person .. and they really don’t watch TV .. therefore, it’s possible 50/50, but one half for biological reasons - decreases faster..
      1. Epaulettes
        Epaulettes 7 December 2022 09: 10
        +3
        There's something else. The younger generation, including myself, was born after the collapse of the USSR. And we have always been taught that Ukraine is a friendly state and a fraternal people. Exactly. And not that we are one people with them, which someone there decided to divide.
        Here we lived for 30 years with such an installation, we lived well.
        And now we are trying to change this setting. And it turns out that we have a "civil war" going on.

        But it doesn't work that way. What joy is this?
      2. stelltok
        stelltok 7 December 2022 10: 32
        +5
        I think to a large extent due to the fact that for them the USSR and the 90s are a distant past century

        On all the sites listed in the article, there is a rejection of the USSR.
        As soon as someone speaks positively about the USSR, the cons immediately fly.
        It's not about these sites, the fact is that young people now have a narrow outlook.
        And in addition, young people do not have the time / desire to figure something out.
        For young people, TikTok and YouTube are sources of knowledge.
        1. 2 Level Advisor
          2 Level Advisor 7 December 2022 12: 20
          +4
          Quote from stelltok
          As soon as someone speaks positively about the USSR, the cons immediately fly.

          I don’t agree .. the USSR had enough pluses in comparison with the Russian Federation, and when I wrote about them, I usually got a bunch of pluses .. in VO anyway ..
          Quote from stelltok
          And in addition, young people do not have the time / desire to figure something out.

          you know, maybe it's not surprising? in fact, the USSR is a long history for them, they haven’t seen it .. I think the logic here is “why understand it, it won’t help to live today” .. and you can’t say that they are so wrong .. Today Maybe..
      3. alexoff
        alexoff 10 December 2022 01: 07
        0
        Any young people always and everywhere have weaker support for the authorities. But specifically with the Russian authorities, the problem is that it is unclear in which direction to support. Are you going to fight? Well, ok, fight, we will chip in on drones for the boys, hmm, but do you think to fight at all? Yesterday, the military correspondents wrote about the non-stop offensive, saying that troops were transferred from the north to the Donbass, a general summer battle, and Donetsk is being shelled every day? And why did they forget about biolaboratories? What about money? Why were the Nazis released? And why are the troops running ahead of the National Guard? And you don’t step on Uglegors, because after the capture of Lisichansk, Arestovich said that not a single city would be surrendered anymore, and Uglegorsk and Seversk are cities, unlike Pavlovka? What is there to support? If someone proudly climbs forward, and then cowardly hides under the rack and complains that they are beating him and does not even try to beat him back, then from a patriotic point of view he is a shameful coward, and from the point of view of a liberal he is a shameful coward, and in general from any point of view, he is a shameful coward. And when you are led by a shameful coward who can turn any of your unconditional victory into a drain in negotiations, then you need to have some kind of mental disorder in order to support such
  15. Vasilyevich Pensioner
    Vasilyevich Pensioner 7 December 2022 08: 19
    -8
    I haven't watched TV since 2004
    And here is the contradiction:
    and only sometimes, when visiting or in the village, willy-nilly one has to see what is being shown there.

    And of course, everything is fine there. We are the best, there are enemies around, but we are still the best.
    And in what country is it not the same?
    And the local propaganda passes by
    And here is the contradiction to his verdict:
    Moreover, it causes more often a negative reaction.

    So there is patriotism, only now, in my opinion, the authorities are doing everything to make it as small as possible ...
    The author decided to contribute to his process of understatement.
  16. Epaulettes
    Epaulettes 7 December 2022 08: 25
    +11
    The situation is, to put it mildly, a stalemate ...
    To change something, you need to admit your mistakes. There are many mistakes and they are critical. But admitting you're wrong is admitting you're wrong. How many times in 22 years has this happened? Zero.

    Therefore, nothing will change. At least the second wave of mobilization, at least a general one ... As long as mediocre "true mistakes" are sitting at their posts, no changes for the better can be expected. But for the worse - it's quite.
    1. sadam2
      sadam2 7 December 2022 13: 01
      -1
      The 2nd wave of mobilization will then become the 10th wave, and this is all in a circle for a couple of years. They win on TV. The population gets 10 packs of doshirak in their hands .. and finally, victory! It's not clear what it will look like....
      And what was wrong with us at VO? In February, they divided the skin here, arguing whether 3 slaves or 2 is enough for everyone ... I blurted out that the account was taken away
      1. Epaulettes
        Epaulettes 7 December 2022 14: 26
        +3
        So I, too, wonder, victory in this case - what is it? How can you get out of this situation so that it is better than it was on February 23rd?
        1. Eule
          Eule 8 December 2022 22: 58
          -1
          Quote: Shoulder straps
          get out of this situation so that it was better than February 23?

          IMHO - first, trials of the authors of "covid restrictions", then compensation to everyone who suffered during these "restrictions", for which they take money from the FIU and other crooks.
          Then a coherent program for economic recovery - a moratorium on changing accounting forms, a moratorium on the adoption of new laws, severe reductions in electricity and gas prices, the abolition of the "garbage reform" and trials of its beneficiaries.
          Amendment to the laws on rallies and fakes - no fines and terms, only deprivation of citizenship and expulsion from the country.
          And then there were already some negotiations about the end of the NWO. Moreover, the restoration of the work of foreign bank cards in the Russian Federation and Russians in the world is, as it were, not the main requirement for the owners of Ukraine.
  17. GRIGORIY76
    GRIGORIY76 7 December 2022 08: 53
    +9
    I will not evaluate the data given by the author, I will simply talk about my environment.
    Everyone in the family, including parents and grandmothers, is against the special operation. Especially against my paternal grandmother born in 1935. having caught the war already at a conscious age, constantly reminds me of the words of my father, who is leaving for the Leningrad militia, mother: “Lena, take the girls and go to your mother in the village, the war will last for a maximum of 2-3 months, as soon as it ends, I will come for you.”
    Only a cousin supports, but he has been fighting there since February, recently he came to Yaroslavl as a buyer for mobilized, so a fun conversation turned out.
    Almost all of my friends served in the army, some even on a contract, everyone is against it, maybe because I know the army from the inside.
    I work in a warehouse, the team of my shift is about 80 people (all ordinary men 20-40 years old, mostly who came to Yaroslavl from cities and towns of the region, as well as from the north (Vologda, Arkhangelsk regions), supports SVO 2-3 people and 1 a person volunteered at the announcement of mobilization.

    This is my experience, I personally do not see support for this operation.
    1. bondrostov
      bondrostov 7 December 2022 09: 25
      +4
      Yes, that is right. This is not surprising after all the goodwill gestures. People see that we have little chance with such power
    2. kor1vet1974
      kor1vet1974 7 December 2022 09: 30
      +2
      For the fact that you have such an environment, at work and in the family, for some reason you were given minuses .. smile Say don't do the work.
  18. ZAV69
    ZAV69 7 December 2022 09: 07
    +2
    And habr is generally initially a liberal resource. Did you expect patriotism from him?
    Author, do not go through the garbage dumps, talk to living people.
  19. steelmaker
    steelmaker 7 December 2022 09: 12
    +11
    After ten months of NWO, it became absolutely clear to me that Putin does not rule Russia! He is a pawn and "looking" for Russia! How many direct lines with the people, how many complaints? And where is the result? Yes, it would have reached the most stupid. Cooks and taxi drivers are tired of screaming, hoarse! And the policy of the authorities does not change! And you say minds. As long as this battle brings in money, nothing will change. Don't care about people! Nothing personal just business.
  20. Boris55
    Boris55 7 December 2022 09: 21
    -18
    Quote: O. Rico
    The authorities lost the battle for the minds of Russians

    Shit. The people support Putin (80%), but some bureaucrats should be driven out of power with a filthy broom. Especially those who were appointed by the State Department in the 90s ... and there are quite a few of them.
    1. kor1vet1974
      kor1vet1974 7 December 2022 09: 35
      +6
      but individual bureaucrats should be driven out of power with a filthy broom.
      Announce the whole list, please (c)
      1. Boris55
        Boris55 7 December 2022 10: 03
        -7
        Quote: kor1vet1974
        Announce the whole list, please (c)

        Not enough for all the possibilities of the site. Some, you can:
        - Duma: Medvedev (ER), Zyuganov (KPRF), Mironov (SR);
        - SF - Matvienko;
        - Presidential Administration - Peskov;
        - Central Bank - Nabiulina;
        - ministers: health, education, culture, etc.
        - governors sabotaging the president's orders;
        - the bourgeois who financed the Russian government in exile and supply the Ukrainian gang with our resources ....

        Question to you. Who is higher, the Duma, which adopts laws, or the President, who executes them?
        1. kor1vet1974
          kor1vet1974 7 December 2022 10: 53
          +5
          "Malavata will be .. malavata" (c) .. That is. will not touch all the bourgeoisie? Leave the rest for divorce?
          Question to you.
          Judging by your comments, in this matter, you are a literate person, you yourself know everything very well .. I don’t know how the president executes the laws that the Duma passes .. How .. He really said that he plows like a galley slave, Did you mean it?
          1. Boris55
            Boris55 8 December 2022 08: 58
            0
            Quote: kor1vet1974
            how the president executes the laws that the Duma adopts.

            Is the Pension Law, which was adopted by the Duma against the President's wishes, being implemented? Did you get the answer? And you left the answer ...
        2. Mishka78
          Mishka78 7 December 2022 14: 06
          +5
          Quote: Boris55
          Not enough for all the possibilities of the site. Some, you can:

          Well, i.e. all those whom he has been appointing and reassigning to positions for the last 22 years, rotating, with whom he is friends, with whom he plays in the night league, wrestles on the tatami, etc.? All enemies and villains?
          Tell me who your friend is and I'll tell you who you are (c) Goethe
          Like-mindedness gives rise to friendship (c) Democritus
        3. alexoff
          alexoff 10 December 2022 01: 11
          -1
          And where is Shoigu, the sabotaging order to stop the constant shelling of Donetsk? Did he do anything about it?
    2. solar
      solar 7 December 2022 11: 23
      +5
      Yes, this is a classic.
      The king is good, the boyars are bad!
    3. steelmaker
      steelmaker 7 December 2022 12: 21
      +8
      "People support Putin (80%)"
      Judging by your cons, the opposite is true!
      1. 2 Level Advisor
        2 Level Advisor 7 December 2022 12: 29
        +6
        yes, it's useless .. it's Boris ... he just believes in the Tsar and the USSR at the same time in the Russian Federation (oddly enough) .. even brought him mathematics, what if! fair elections - from 50% of those who came - 80 percent - FOR .. it's not possible for 80 percent of the total population, but only 40%, but he stubbornly about 80% - FOR ...
        1. User_neydobniu
          User_neydobniu 7 December 2022 13: 26
          +1
          yes, it's useless .. it's Boris ... he just believes in the Tsar and the USSR at the same time in the Russian Federation (oddly enough)

          Not enough for all the possibilities of the site. Some, you can:
          Zyuganov (KPRF), Mironov (SR);

          Is it because he believes in the USSR that he requires the leaders of all left-wing parties to be imprisoned? He believes in a crispy bun and a king who gives serfs to the nobles
        2. Boris55
          Boris55 8 December 2022 09: 00
          0
          Quote: Level 2 Advisor
          fair elections - from 50% of those who came, 80 percent - FOR ..

          It's bad that not everyone came, it would have been at least 90%.
          1. 2 Level Advisor
            2 Level Advisor 8 December 2022 10: 28
            -1
            40% of the total is a fact .. with fair elections .. despite the fact that I worked in the elections- fair elections - laughing
            Quote: Boris55
            It's bad that not everyone came, it would have been at least 90%.

            these figures are your conjectures .. do you really not understand the difference? and the fact that non-walkers are mainly those who do not believe in elections and that they have something exchange can? but to change is not to vote for the old .. personally, in my opinion (since we are talking about opinions, not facts), if everyone came, there would be no more than 50% -FOR ..
            1. Boris55
              Boris55 8 December 2022 10: 36
              +2
              Quote: Level 2 Advisor
              These numbers are your guesses.

              Just like yours.

              In my opinion, we have already discussed this issue and I proposed not to take into account the votes of those who do not care. You continue to insist on your own - for what purpose? To say that the government is not legitimate? And then what? Maidan, coup?
              Would you like to repeat 1916? What happened next, do you remember?

              Quote: Level 2 Advisor
              what can they change?

              It is possible, but only within the prevailing concept.

              USSR - the concept of increasing welfare for all.
              Russia - the concept of increasing welfare for the individual.
              1. 2 Level Advisor
                2 Level Advisor 8 December 2022 10: 47
                -1
                Quote: Boris55
                In my opinion, we have already discussed this issue and I proposed not to take into account the votes of those who do not care.

                but this is not 80% anyway of the total - since they did not vote?
                Quote: Boris55
                To say that the government is not legitimate?

                no. to say that it does not have absolute and undeniable support .. and is on the verge of trust .. and I just don’t want a revolution, and for this you need not to believe in absolute support, but take into account that everything is not so stable .. i.e. e. admit the truth..
                Quote: Boris55
                but only within the prevailing concept

                Well, that is - nothing.
                1. Boris55
                  Boris55 8 December 2022 10: 54
                  +2
                  Quote: Level 2 Advisor
                  but this is not 80% anyway of the total - since they did not vote?

                  So what? Are we starting from the beginning?

                  Quote: Level 2 Advisor
                  to say that it has no absolute and indisputable support ..

                  For what? What would launch the Averton window? For what purpose?
                  In 15 months there will be presidential elections (in March). Can't stand it?

                  Quote: Level 2 Advisor
                  Well, that is - nothing.

                  Need to change. The concept needs to be changed. And it must be done in an evolutionary way - it is possible.
                  1. 2 Level Advisor
                    2 Level Advisor 8 December 2022 11: 06
                    -1
                    Quote: Boris55
                    For what? What would launch the Averton window? For what purpose?

                    well, you know, from the fact that something is kept silent, it does not disappear .. sometimes you need to understand something in order not to count, for example, on "flowers and joy" when entering someone's territory and, as a result, not to do mistakes .. mistakes can be even worse if you rely on absolute support, in the absence of such, and take a number of unpopular steps (which can only be done with absolute support) and which just might start a "revolution" when you are on " the edge of trust"
                    Quote: Boris55
                    Need to change. The concept needs to be changed.

                    I don’t really believe it, Boris .. capitalism - where did it change for something for a long time? apparently, this seems to be a classic form of government for our planet ..
                    1. Boris55
                      Boris55 8 December 2022 11: 14
                      +2
                      Quote: Level 2 Advisor
                      which just can start a "revolution" when they are on the "edge of trust"

                      Well, now it is clear why you need it. You need a violent change of power. in the competition, you will undoubtedly lose, i.e. Ukraine scenario.

                      Quote: Level 2 Advisor
                      capitalism - where did it change for something for a long time?

                      The Stalinist USSR was destroyed on purpose, without revolutions.
                      Using this experience, it is also possible to restore the USSR of the Stalin era.

                      A certain eccentric is still fighting for Truth, -
                      True, in the speeches of his truth - on a broken penny:
                      “Pure Truth will triumph over time, -
                      If he does the same as the obvious Lie! ”

                      ps
                      This is my last comment here. The limit on posts on the topic has ended. hi
                      1. 2 Level Advisor
                        2 Level Advisor 8 December 2022 12: 27
                        -2
                        Quote: Boris55
                        You need a violent change of power

                        they themselves thought for me and came up with, well, your right ... to make it clear to you - I don’t need any revolution, like the whole country too .. but the suppression of facts and "everything is fine, beautiful marquise", promoted by you, may eventually lead to bring her, so it’s more likely that you want her, it turns out .. also, perhaps, then I’ll finish with this - in this topic ... hi
      2. Vasilyevich Pensioner
        Vasilyevich Pensioner 7 December 2022 12: 42
        -1
        T / e 20% cannot be here, but 80% must be?
  21. Illanatol
    Illanatol 7 December 2022 09: 39
    +5
    Quote: parma
    I have to disagree with you or with your predecessor... take the US - the country has a very high level of patriotism, and not from social benefits.


    Unprovable.
    True patriotism manifests itself in critical, harsh times for the Motherland, but when was the last time the United States had them?
    The smoke of the fatherland is especially pleasant when it gives off the aroma of a barbecue, and not the burning of conflagrations. Especially for those who care about the comfort of their own priests. That's when the US starts real problems - then we'll see how many real patriots there are.
    And the thesis about high patriotism in the United States does not fit well with the facts of openly separatist sentiments in some states. Californians are not averse to speculating how their state would fare well if it gained full sovereignty. Texans also dream of secession, they are offended when they are called "Yankees".

    "The South will rise again!"

    It seems that the embers of civil strife are smoldering not only in the Russian soul.
    1. Mishka78
      Mishka78 7 December 2022 14: 16
      -4
      Quote: Illanatol
      True patriotism manifests itself in critical, harsh times for the Motherland, but when was the last time the United States had them?

      You know, this is evidence that the US has great power. Which simply does not allow its citizens to have such problems that they have to feel the harshness of the times.
      And it's great.
      And the separatist sentiment in Texas is the lot of a small number of stoned and relaxing potryndelok in the kitchen. I assure you, no one wants a real separation from the US.
      Even in many respects Scotland or Catalonia, which are really separatist towards England, or Catalonia towards Spain, for the first time, cannot hold a referendum on withdrawal. There is support, but it is not dominant. In Texas, this topic will not gain even 5%.
      And being offended by the "Yankees" and actually leaving the country is a huge difference.
      I don't like being called a Russian either. I am Russian.
      1. Sergej1972
        Sergej1972 8 December 2022 08: 45
        +1
        Russian is citizenship, Russian is nationality. I am both Russian and Russian. There are Russians of other nationalities. And there are Russians living in other countries who are not Russian citizens. They are Russians, but not Russians.
    2. alexoff
      alexoff 10 December 2022 01: 12
      -1
      The United States is good at solving its problems at someone else's expense.
  22. Maks1995
    Maks1995 7 December 2022 10: 02
    0
    Kim well done, read with pleasure ...
    Well, what about power ... what can be remembered good about it, except for failed promises, endless lies, a cult of personalities, embezzled money and projects "it turned out as always"?
    Only the latter can somehow be written into some kind of plus + overcoming the non-payment crisis in 0e ...

    And everyone can remember the darkness of failed promises. From "there is no Latin in names" and "free Wi-Fi in any transport" to "import substitution" and "there will be no call"...
  23. Non-fighter
    Non-fighter 7 December 2022 10: 17
    +8
    It is checked up on itself.
    I was indifferent to the state as such until I was scammed with a salary.
    As our public, mostly liberal, says, if you don't like something - go to court!!!
    Well, our Russian court is something. This is a judge who, without looking, signs EVERYTHING, even what he should not sign, this is an office openly extorting a bribe. "Oh, I made a mistake! Write a statement that you ruined the document !!!" You write, because other options are even worse. This is the postponement of court hearings "because there is no money, but you hold on."
    But the funniest thing is the bailiffs. They don't do anything at all. Neither trips to the prosecutor's office, nor complaints through the same public services help. As someone who worked in the TP, I see that the main task of the prosecutor's office is to reassure the client.
    And in the field of this, someone declares that I still have to jump out of my pants for the sake of _THIS STATE_??
    Get along.
    "Don't think what the country will do for you, but think what you will do for the country."

    As for Kim, who volunteered for the NWO, I respect him, but I would like to know what he will say after he encounters reality.
  24. Fedor Severny
    Fedor Severny 7 December 2022 10: 54
    -1
    I agree and disagree with the author.
    Because the “battle for the minds of the Russians” was lost by the apparatus of government managers and managers of the “state” media, which can be called the not entirely accurate word LIBERALS. These are those that Mikhail Khazin regularly talks about, but in this case it is not the economic sector - these are media managers and those involved, starting with television, and for example, the half-dead RIA Novosti, which is afraid to say a word. The whole culture is the Ministry of Culture and those involved. Movies are rubbish. The propaganda is fake.
    State system. Media and culture - VOID
    At the same time, many bloggers, just patriots, are leading the right line, there are many of them, Kadyrov, Zakharova, Medvedev, and so on.
    But there are unconditional LEADERS and legislators of opinions, to whom the managers do not listen and are not allowed into the center. These are the most true. Valentin Katasonov, Mikhail Khazin, Andrey Fursov, Vitaly Averyanov, Alexander Kashansky and Devyatov.
  25. hhurik
    hhurik 7 December 2022 11: 01
    -2
    Quote: Boris55
    Quote: Civil
    Blame your invention on anyone but yourself.

    It came to us much later than to Europe. Rus', as a state, was formed only at the end of the 9th century. Before that, we had no exploitation of man by man. Everyone in the community was related. It was considered shameless to rob one's brother. With the arrival of foreigners in Rus', this became possible.

    And what did the foreign Varangians trade on the way from the Varangians to the Greeks? Slavic slaves, whom "relatives" sold as sailors as part of the provision of logistics services.
    "Russian Truth" - this is a legal document, by the way, an analogue of the Civil and Criminal Codes - provided for the following actions for turning into a slave: self-sale into slavery, marriage with a slave, entry into the service (tiunas, housekeepers), "without a row" (then without any reservations), bankruptcy. Also, a runaway purchase or a person who committed a serious crime could become a slave. Well, prisoners of war are a matter of course.
    What the hell kind of relatives - I'd rather be an orphan (folk).
  26. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 7 December 2022 11: 06
    +4
    There is nothing to lose here .... The game for the minds of Russians has not been played ...... since 1991. And the liberals were working. If we cite the extremes of such work - country 404 ...... in our country it somehow also drowned in a swamp. But if they don’t teach at school, but provide “educational services”, then you won’t put anything into your head later.
  27. Alex66
    Alex66 7 December 2022 11: 08
    +6
    We see perfectly well that the goal of our "imperial" elite is to integrate into the global one and receive their quota of the golden billion, for this they were ready to stab us with vaccinations, muzzle with masks at the behest of the WHO, deprive pensions at the behest of the IMF, all this is done under the cries of the Solovyovs about the welfare of the people. We see that they are trying to limit us in everything and rob us. The prices for housing and communal services have increased by 11%, we are being strangled slowly, and those who survive will be massively evacuated according to the new law and will be buried in the same way.
    1. kor1vet1974
      kor1vet1974 7 December 2022 12: 51
      +3
      "imperial" elite to integrate into the global one and get their quota in the golden billion
      Along the way, they were thrown with a "quota" in 2007, after the Munich speech. From the beginning of the boycott, the Winter Olympics, and then more, more.
      1. Alex66
        Alex66 8 December 2022 07: 26
        0
        It seems to me that hope was left to them, like a carrot for a donkey on a string. Do they just understand it?
  28. rocket757
    rocket757 7 December 2022 11: 39
    +2
    So there is patriotism, only now, in my opinion, the authorities are doing everything to make it as small as possible ...
    . Under what slogans our ancestors went into battle is well known ... Motherland or Vera, Mother Rus', has always been in the first place. The upper ones, the authorities, have always tried to fit themselves into those slogans, even if in second place ...
    At this point in time, for power, in that slogan, there is NO place !!!
    This is not a call to delete the role of the supreme power completely ... it’s impossible, it will only get worse, but this is not even a hint, but a clear indication that ... in general, it’s understandable, as they are doing now, they will not be brought to good !!!
  29. Mikhail Ya2
    Mikhail Ya2 7 December 2022 14: 54
    0
    Do not think what the country will do for you, but think what you will do for the country

    But these are the words of Kenedy, at the election race :)
  30. Borghese
    Borghese 7 December 2022 14: 59
    +1
    NWO was started not thanks, but in spite of. Actions are as they are. And inaction would be a betrayal of the ideals and the future peaceful life of Russia.
    It was pointless to talk about what was necessary. It is necessary to talk about what needs to be done when the NWO is on.
    It is good to reason where it is quiet and peaceful, and not where the enemy is at the gate. Or does someone think that the Americans are fighting for democracy? Nonsense!
    The only question is that Russia is acting slowly, and not like the Americans in Yugoslavia, Iraq, Syria, etc.
  31. flyer
    flyer 7 December 2022 15: 17
    +1
    The authorities did not lose the battle for the minds of the Russians, they did not start this battle. There is democracy in Russia, it has existed since the collapse of the USSR and it is connected with the fact that the state removed citizens from governing the country and from political activity, and those citizens who independently, through their initiative, have tried and are trying to change something for the better , often face a wall in the form of formulaic replies from government departments.
  32. Akuzenka
    Akuzenka 7 December 2022 17: 49
    0
    Such a big headline. For me, the high authorities did not even try to fight for the minds of the population. It fights for banknotes.
  33. Genome
    Genome 7 December 2022 17: 50
    0
    Patriotisma feeling of love and devotion to the Motherland, Fatherland, one's people, readiness to serve the interests of one's country.
    Probably the key word is readiness. So, what do we have ready? We can endlessly talk about negative trends in our country. Let's talk about the good! What good has happened in our country during the 30 years of capitalism? Personally, I CAN'T REMEMBER ANYTHING! All good things are connected with close and native people. Therefore, it is bad to show patriotism willingly. To defend what constantly oppresses you, lies to you and robs you or condones it ...
    For it is said: And you will be rewarded according to your deeds!
    1. Vasilyevich Pensioner
      Vasilyevich Pensioner 7 December 2022 17: 58
      +2
      I disagree with you because
      Patriotism is a feeling of love and devotion to the Motherland, Fatherland, one's people, readiness to serve the interests of one's country.
      И
      To defend what constantly oppresses you, lies to you and robs you or condones it ...
      This is not about the same thing. Motherland, the country cannot oppress, lie and rob.
  34. alexey alexeyev_2
    alexey alexeyev_2 7 December 2022 18: 32
    +3
    Patriotism is not to yell at all resources. In my village I witnessed how ninety-year-old grandmothers from their pensions carried a hundred rubles to the priest in order to serve a prayer service for the victory of Russian weapons over an adversary. Most of these grandmothers are on surzhik. The most successful businessman in the village sends help to our guys on the front lines every month without undue fanfare. Now he is buying something for his personal guys on the front line for the new year. Not less than 300 thousand. Here it is, the salt of the Russian land. And these peekaboo and others ... waste and do not reflect the opinion of the people. As well as the priests. One priest refused to bless the Wagnerites, arguing that they were mercenaries.
  35. katarsafebox.com
    katarsafebox.com 7 December 2022 21: 04
    0
    They forgot to add "Military Review" to this list.
  36. acetophenone
    acetophenone 7 December 2022 23: 11
    +3
    Therefore, the situation when even jingoistic patriots begin to lean toward the idea that hostilities must end, this is the vector for losing.
    But from this place - stop. I don’t consider myself a jingoistic patriot from the word “completely”. I DO NOT TRUST the current authorities categorically. But strongly against the end of the WAR. Why all three are like this is another question. I will not explain, because for a long time and few people are interested.
  37. Sergei N 58912062
    Sergei N 58912062 8 December 2022 01: 15
    -3
    In place of the author of this publication, I would not argue so categorically!
  38. zurbagan63
    zurbagan63 8 December 2022 12: 00
    0
    Cancel the president's pension reform and immediately millions of "pre-pensioners" and younger ones turn to face him, not backwards.
  39. Report card
    Report card 8 December 2022 14: 18
    0
    The authorities have lost the battle for the minds of the Russians...

    To whom did you lose?
    The author did not indicate this.
    Where did you lose?
    Obviously on the internet.
    How did you lose?
    With the best search engine in the world in Cyrillic and the best digital ministry in the world, with Roskomnadzor, Yarovaya laws and gigantic funding from the Internet media budget. With laws on foreign agents and a loyal population ...
    Is it about losing? Yes, it is not yet known to whom. Moreover, it is not known for what reason.
    Oleg Riko, can you somehow reveal the topic in more detail?
    Are the people not patriotic enough (especially at a young age)?
    Or is there a problem with patriotism in power? These authorities cannot win the battle for the minds ...
    By the way, why do we need these battles for the minds?
    When the government fulfills the will and desires of the people, then there are no battles for the mind of the people.
    Because you don't need...
  40. Sergey39
    Sergey39 9 December 2022 11: 03
    0
    The author is right only in his section of society, but our society is much larger and wider. And do not pass off your opinion as the opinion of the entire people of the Russian Federation! (((
    Everyone has their own truth, and this truth is often not everyone likes!)))
  41. Comrade Kim
    Comrade Kim 9 December 2022 12: 54
    +1
    Quote: Sergei N 58912062
    I would not argue so categorically!


    The author simply stated information from a popular resource.
    Strelkov speaks categorically, and he is unfortunately right.
    Extended interview:

    https://t.me/strelkovii/3501

    Better the truth than fufoomycin.
  42. alexoff
    alexoff 10 December 2022 01: 18
    -1
    The battle for the minds is easy to win, it is enough just to win the real war, victory in it will write off all sins. To do this, it is worth buying testicles in Iran in order to achieve your goal and ignore enemy red lines, and not exchange regional centers and captured Nazis for promises to open an ammonia pipeline sometime later.
  43. Illanatol
    Illanatol 10 December 2022 09: 05
    +1
    Quote: Mishka78
    You know, this is evidence that the US has great power. Which simply does not allow its citizens to have such problems that they have to feel the harshness of the times.


    No. This is evidence, first of all, of the extremely favorable geographical position of the United States. What are our neighbors, and what are the US? Who could really threaten them before the appearance of nuclear weapons (and its carriers) from the USSR? Mexico with Canada?
    So where does the "harshness of the times" come from?
    Everything else is your fantasy. The ethnic composition in the United States is changing and rapidly. Mexicans in Texas (there are many more than 5%) are already openly saying that they want to make this state part of Mexico again. The US Supreme Court has already considered Texas's petition for secession (although it was denied).
    And the authorities are too carried away by their social and cultural experiments. BLM, LGBT... monuments are openly demolished. The puritanism of the early Yankees that made this country great is long gone. But, as you know, who shoots at his past with a gun, that ... you can not continue further.
    So the prospects are so-so.
  44. Tank destroyerSU-100
    Tank destroyerSU-100 10 December 2022 12: 21
    0
    The problem is some incomprehensible reverence for the moderators of all the resources described. It is likely that there is a share of the Russian oligarchs there, and therefore Russian cyber units do not dare to touch them. After all, hurting the interests of persons pleasant to the Kremlin is fraught. The Kremlin will indifferently perceive the destruction of patriotic accounts, but will be furious if they encroach on the gesheft of people he likes.
    Because if you want to cut off all these resources - not a problem. The example of China and a number of other countries shows that IF YOU WANT, all this is possible. Therefore, there is no political will.
    And those circles of the bureaucratic camarilla who are ready to surrender everything, to sign an unconditional surrender, are singing here, so that their cubs and mistresses can again live in the West, and they themselves can fly away for the weekend to foreign nests.