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DPR brigade commander: Our sergeant is nothing more than a fighter with badges

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DPR brigade commander: Our sergeant is nothing more than a fighter with badges

One of the main problems of the Russian army, which was exposed, including during a special military operation, is the often occurring discrepancy between the position and personality, regardless of military merit and professionalism. In many respects, the policy of the military authorities at the highest level also contributes to the consolidation of this situation. The burning topic was raised in his Telegram channel by the commander of the Vostok brigade Alexander Khodakovsky.


As Khodakovsky writes, the defining qualities of a commander are responsibility and authority. If the commander wants to really manage his unit, he must enjoy authority with his subordinates. If this authority does not exist, informal leaders appear in the collectives and quickly acquire parallel power. And this is already very dangerous for the viability of the unit.

Based on his own experience, Khodakovsky writes that it is worth singling out informal leaders in the military collective and appointing them as commanders. Experience and knowledge will come with time, but leadership qualities, the ability to command and care, to be responsible for subordinates and in front of subordinates are those personality characteristics that even the best military school cannot instill.

We have so many problems on the ground, not only because the generals take a long time to rebuild or the mobilized cowards, but also because of the weak role of the lower and middle command levels. Our sergeant is a fighter with stripes

- writes brigade commander Khodakovsky.

He compares the situation in the Russian army with the US military. In the American army, and we all know this even from films, a sergeant is a real commander and mentor for a soldier. In the Russian armed forces, unfortunately, even junior officers are not perceived this way. But the very system of army thinking, which the higher command has been building for decades, is to blame for this situation.

In the understanding of high-ranking generals, it’s not like a sergeant or lieutenant, a battalion commander is a “pawn” that can always be replaced and whose opinion can be completely ignored and even ignored.

It is difficult to disagree with Khodakovsky in this statement, but the reason for this is the specific mentality of so many Russians, not military leaders, but rather military officials. A general from Moscow, whose major carries a briefcase with documents, does not perceive the same major as a figure to be listened to, even if this major does not have a briefcase, but several hundred professional soldiers.

Hence - and numerous miscalculations that become apparent very quickly, in our information age. What is it worth, for example, one история with a mobilized man who scolded a senior officer? Yes, maybe a mobilized person will face a real term of imprisonment for this, but a commander without proper leadership qualities will continue to fall into such situations.
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  1. digger
    digger 26 November 2022 14: 15
    +6
    We are reaping the fruits of the rotting army since the late 80s and 90s. It's all from there. When they lived in the world, rot and decay did not stand out so much ... but then the war came and the war showed everything ... showed the essence of everyone. In war it is impossible to hide your essence no matter how hard you try.
    1. Dmitry Tsarevich
      Dmitry Tsarevich 26 November 2022 14: 26
      +1
      That's right, and we will reap for a long time, because the rot, as it sat in its place, still sits.
      1. The comment was deleted.
    2. Comrade I
      Comrade I 26 November 2022 14: 49
      +3
      It's all from there.

      What? And not from the 00s and 2010s too?
      1. insafufa
        insafufa 30 November 2022 11: 03
        -1
        https://maxpark.com/user/2878057251/content/490829 Пока - ни прапорщиков, ни сержантов... статья 2010г.

        I have been writing for a long time and will write in the comments that we need a reform of the junior command staff and a reform of the education of primary, secondary and higher military education. The sergeant is now more than a soldier, the USSR doctrine of mass conscription army assumed, and the same mass training of sergeants was relevant when the service life was 4-5 years, but when it became 1-2 years, everything fell apart. It has already been suggested more than once by various military men to start training sergeants in military schools together with future officers, but in 2 years or two courses, anyone can stop mass training in the same training programs as gunners and drivers for sergeants. The army should be a competitive environment where the ambitious and the motivated make their way to the top echelons of leadership. So in military schools you can accept a larger number of cadets after the second year, based on the results of academic success, for the third and fourth, only those who are successful in studies and exams can be accepted, and so on incrementally. This will allow for 2 years to train sergeants for 4 years of ensigns for 6 years of lieutenants. Make it so that from a sergeant you can rise to an ensign or even a junior lieutenant. From lieutenant to captain. Then there will be an incentive for young people to go to schools and to the positions of sergeants. Many do not withstand long-term studies and quit, and so the promotion divided into stages allows you to complete this training without stress.
        1. fiberboard
          fiberboard 30 November 2022 20: 04
          0
          Do you understand what nonsense you wrote? Two years of a sergeant, four ensigns, six lieutenants, eight captains, ten majors, twelve lieutenant colonels, etc. Well, yes, not an army, but a solid military university. In six months you can prepare a sergeant perfectly, and an ensign can also be trained in six months. For three years, the lieutenant was trained in technical schools. This stupid idea of ​​Serdyukov with professional sergeants. And the defeat of the institute of ensigns and midshipmen. And the problem is not in education, but in the people themselves. One of my acquaintances in the army on a contract barely rose to the rank of sergeant in three years, despite the fact that he fought in Chechnya. And in the army of the DPR, six months before the captain. We have a constantly negative selection in the army. Who is made a sergeant? Someone who can get something, repair it, agree somewhere. The authorities welcome the same qualities among ensigns. The selection of officers is based on the principle: who is pushed by relatives, who can become indispensable for the authorities (women, money, connections). Intelligent people fade into the background. And when the war starts, all this selection goes sideways to those who are on the front line.
    3. vovochkarzhevsky
      vovochkarzhevsky 26 November 2022 15: 36
      +6
      Rotten, this is a purely invention of the present time. To call the XNUMXs and XNUMXs peaceful for the army, you need to have a very big imagination. And the decay began when market reforms squeezed officers out of the army.
      1. Aerodrome
        Aerodrome 26 November 2022 15: 58
        +9
        DPR brigade commander: Our sergeant is nothing more than a fighter with badges
        can you get bored? a sergeant, he was well .. a call older, no more, he knew how to do something better than a "salag", he knew better the charter of the guard service, but in fact, yes, the same soldier. this is not a sergeant in the us army, with ten years of service, and who knows how to do something, we have a completely different junior cop system. we called up together, "plowed" together, but, "he" got the position of "foreman", let's say, and he will go to the "demobilization" as at least a "senior sergeant", and if you're lucky, then a "foreman", although, in fact , he doesn’t know shit and doesn’t know anything except the "charter". I spent nights and days, on “flights”, in the KDP, and went as a private for demobilization, well, yes, I don’t restrain my tongue, I don’t tolerate rudeness and injustice, but after all, they didn’t serve for the “little ones”! True, this does not concern Ukrainians, they are ready for anything, if only to go to demobilization as a corporal, what can you do, such a mentality.
    4. ksan
      ksan 29 November 2022 19: 26
      0
      We are reaping the fruits of the decay of the army since the late 80s
      More like 2000s. I served 86-88 in the South-West. He came from training as a sergeant and for half a year was a gunner and radar operator on the BRM-1. And the "home-grown" sergeants commanded, appointed as company commanders, with the assignment of the rank, of course. And the authority of the "sergeants" was indisputable. Yes, and in the Intelligence Battalions of the Airborne Forces and motorized rifles there was a similar situation. We regularly contacted them at the training ground and exercises, in view of the specifics of the specialty. Yes, 2 more junior sergeants came to the company from training with me, so before demobilization they never became squad commanders, but were privates, albeit with scouts with badges. So I would not say about the "decay" of the Soviet Army.
  2. Evil 55
    Evil 55 26 November 2022 14: 21
    +32
    I don’t agree with the Kombrig .. Encouraging informal leaders, often physically strong, but close-minded and incapable of initiative command, leads to hazing .. Training and introducing into the primary command staff competent, trained and capable of filling any sergeant positions of one unit of commanders from training divisions is the most rational way. But here a lot depends on the officers of the unit, what to do next: to educate the young sergeant with responsibility and trust, or to continue to condone the grandfathers for the sake of their own peace of mind, contrary to combat effectiveness .. hi
    1. YOUR
      YOUR 26 November 2022 14: 46
      +7
      Conscripts come, they come only for a year, the question is how to identify the leader who will lead the people, even if a small unit is just a branch. The answer is no way. It is necessary to have time to educate a sergeant during this period. Moreover, for an officer, a platoon commander, a company, this education is even less than a maximum of 8 months. And first of all, we need not just a leader, but a commander who knows the regulations, who can evaluate it at his level in a combat situation and issue the necessary command. The task is practically impossible.
      Therefore, it will remain as it was. 18-year-old boys came to the army, chose by random or based on personal data, sent to training and received sergeants.
      1. Aerodrome
        Aerodrome 26 November 2022 16: 05
        -2
        Quote: YOUR
        Conscripts come, they come only for a year, the question is how to identify the leader who will lead the people, even if a small unit is just a branch. The answer is no way.

        nonsense ... just, for a few days, immerse yourself in their atmosphere, let's say a "mishandled Cossack" so to speak, and the "leader" will immediately be seen, and henchmen too. it's just that no one needs it.
        1. seamen2
          seamen2 26 November 2022 16: 18
          -1
          delicately you just filed. so write, and so everyone knows who needs it. through informers.
          what kind of insertion operation is there ..
        2. YOUR
          YOUR 26 November 2022 16: 45
          0
          And how many have you raised? Or do not interfere with the theory to develop.
      2. Plate
        Plate 26 November 2022 17: 22
        -3
        Quote: YOUR
        Conscripts come, they come only for a year, the question is how to identify the leader who will lead the people, even if a small unit is just a branch. The answer is no way.

        Maybe build a professional army, not a draft one? If you want to fight - apply, sign a contract, study. And build your career as high as you want and as much as you can.
        1. saigon
          saigon 27 November 2022 07: 09
          +2
          Yes, here is a clear example of a contract army from some counters or whoever is nicer than double basses is not capable of a big war because of its numbers (the state cannot support so many people torn out of the economy).
          A cherry on a contract army cake (yes, no, not a cherry, rather a fecal blunder)
          then how many counters turned out to be pacifists at the moment when they had to fight seriously.
          And now the call of former conscripts to save the day.
          Well, with a contract army, who to call?
          So the theories of the contract army and the saints of the BTG turn out to be sorry in the anus.
          And we need infantry in large numbers, not super rembas, but just a shooter with a machine gun in order to hold the front, occupy and secure the territory.
          1. Plate
            Plate 27 November 2022 12: 59
            0
            Quote: saigon
            the state cannot support so many people torn out of the economy

            So after all, it is also necessary to maintain a draft army, and its soldiers are also torn out of the economy.
            Quote: saigon
            how many counters turned out to be pacifists at the moment when they had to fight seriously.

            The contract was drawn up incorrectly, it turns out. It is better to force to fight someone who himself signed up for this and who was prepared for this for several years than someone who did not think about a military career at all.
            Quote: saigon
            So the theories of the contract army and the saints of the BTG turn out to be sorry in the anus.

            US Armed Forces contract. It is imperceptible that they were, "sorry, in the anus."
            1. stankow
              stankow 27 November 2022 14: 21
              0
              They were, how. In Kabul on the 21st. Or "something else"? laughing
              1. Plate
                Plate 27 November 2022 15: 40
                0
                The US Armed Forces did not suffer a military defeat. It was a decision driven by other factors. No matter how you twist it, no one still has stronger armed forces request
            2. saigon
              saigon 27 November 2022 15: 08
              0
              The draft army is stupidly cheaper (glory to the great market).
              Forcing someone who has been preparing for several years to fight is, forgive me, nonsense, and as I understand it, other characters will also be forced to contract?
              I apologize the American troops are fighting against the army or against whom the hell understand with the help of accomplices oh sorry allies
              1. Plate
                Plate 27 November 2022 15: 45
                0
                Quote: saigon
                The draft army is stupidly cheaper (glory to the great market).

                This is yes.
                Quote: saigon
                Forcing someone who has been preparing for several years to fight is, forgive me, nonsense, and as I understand it, other characters will also be forced to contract?

                And what is nonsense? You yourself described the situation in which this should be done. And yes, there will be characters who are also on contracts. What else? Well, you can on an indefinite employment contract, in principle.
                Quote: saigon
                I apologize the American troops are fighting against the army or against whom the hell understand with the help of accomplices oh sorry allies

                They have experience against everyone.
              2. ksan
                ksan 29 November 2022 19: 40
                +1
                The draft army is stupidly cheaper (glory to the great market).
                A draft army is needed to prepare and educate Mob. reserve. Or in the event of a "big" war, "contract soldiers will quickly run out and the rest of the" men "will push in line at the Georgian and Kazakh borders or surrender to entire units, and the enemy is a multiple of the smaller number
      3. cat Rusich
        cat Rusich 26 November 2022 18: 57
        +7
        Quote: YOUR
        Conscripts come, they come only for a year, the question is how to identify the leader who will lead the people, even if a small unit is just a branch. The answer is no way. It is necessary to have time to educate a sergeant during this period. Moreover, for an officer, a platoon commander, a company, this education is even less than a maximum of 8 months. And first of all, we need not just a leader, but a commander who knows the regulations, who can evaluate it at his level in a combat situation and issue the necessary command. The task is practically impossible.
        Therefore, it will remain as it was. 18-year-old boys came to the army, chose by random or based on personal data, sent to training and received sergeants.
        My opinion...
        Sergeant - position of commander - Sergeant must be a contract soldier.
        Then there will be time for teaching theory, developing leadership qualities.
        A sergeant is a commander who is obliged to stay with his unit for the night in the barracks (a trench, a dugout ...) - to maintain order and discipline all the time (you can and should write down such conditions in the contract - and pay extra)
        In fact, the Sergeant is the deputy platoon commander (My opinion ...) - and at the time of the absence of the platoon commander - be ready to make independent decisions in a peaceful or combat situation (especially combat ...)
        hi
        1. YOUR
          YOUR 27 November 2022 09: 04
          +1
          Quote: cat Rusich
          Sergeant - the position of commander - Sergeant must be a contract soldier.

          It may very well be. Moreover, they usually try to keep 3 contractors in the mech-water squad and a gunner operator
          Quote: cat Rusich
          Sergeant - a commander who is obliged to stay with his unit for the night in the barracks

          That is, the comm. department, the sergeant should not have a personal life. She's all in the barracks
        2. ksan
          ksan 29 November 2022 19: 54
          +1
          My opinion...
          Sergeant - the position of commander - Sergeant must be a contract soldier.
          Quite right. My comrade is now in the Donbas on mobilization in the "second line" they have been assigned sergeants from contract soldiers who have already fought, they are undergoing combat coordination. The guys say "specific", everyone listens to them, although the people are "different" and most are older than them. Well, now God grant them victory and they will return home alive.
    2. zloybond
      zloybond 26 November 2022 15: 00
      +10
      And in my opinion - a ticket to officer life (direction to enter a military school) is only promotion (recommendation of the commander) from the sergeant's environment. Those. those who went through a soldier's school proved themselves to be a sergeant ... and only then forward .... I myself started like that once. And the schoolchildren, after their father's kick and help, who came to the enrollment - is still doubtful.
      Therefore, the status of a sergeant must be raised to a professional one. Service life, special school, requirements, etc...
      Well, this is my opinion.
      1. voyaka uh
        voyaka uh 26 November 2022 15: 30
        +5
        "That is, those who went through a soldier's school proved to be a sergeant ... and only then go ahead ..." ///
        ----
        In the Israeli army - only so. Impossible to become
        a combat officer, without going the full way: a soldier, a sergeant ...
      2. vovochkarzhevsky
        vovochkarzhevsky 26 November 2022 15: 56
        +7
        In Soviet times, studying at a school is 3 - 4 - 5 years of military service. It is quite enough to make an officer out of yesterday's schoolboy. Yes, and corny not enough sergeants to fill vacancies in military schools. And if you take flight schools, or engineering ones, then such service experience is not needed from the word at all.
        1. zloybond
          zloybond 26 November 2022 16: 01
          0
          I agree, it's wise to make adjustments.
        2. Aleks354
          Aleks354 26 November 2022 23: 34
          +2
          Under Serdyukov, in order to become a sergeant, one had to study at special courses at military schools for 2 years 8 months, Shoigu came and scored everything.
      3. Ilgizl
        Ilgizl 26 November 2022 17: 36
        +1
        Not everything is bad in the West, we need to take good examples and implement them. Start with professional sergeant schools and leave them on a contract basis. For amers, by the way, taking various courses and receiving various kinds of ranks for them resembles computer games, which can be an additional incentive for younger generations.
    3. gromit
      gromit 26 November 2022 15: 22
      +3
      Only it had to be done BEFORE the war.
      And what kind of literate and enterprising one will sit in a sergeant's position for a penny salary and an early pension? That's right - none.
      So the brigade commander is right, you need to work with what you have.
    4. for
      for 26 November 2022 15: 30
      +2
      Quote: Angry 55
      leads to hazing.

      I agree with you in everything, but hazing should not be confused with beatings and bullying.
      Hazing was also under Tsar Peas in "kindergartens", it is everywhere, but in different doses.
      1. Aerodrome
        Aerodrome 26 November 2022 16: 12
        0
        Quote: for
        do not confuse hazing with beatings and bullying.

        I absolutely agree, only thanks to the "grandfathers" in the army did I master the specialty, there were no bullying, but there were "grandfathers"! there were, of course, "creatures" semi-criminal, but this is at "minimal wages", and when there are few of them, and they are "out of fashion", they are quiet, they hiss like that, but do not bite. but when there are a lot of them .. then, oh. probably.
  3. Lt. Air Force stock
    Lt. Air Force stock 26 November 2022 14: 26
    +12
    In the meantime, experience will come to an informal leader, how many people will die and suffer? A person who graduated from college has knowledge and no experience, while an informal has nothing but personal qualities.
    1. private person
      private person 26 November 2022 14: 51
      +1
      who graduated from college he has knowledge and no experience

      Well, at the expense of theoretical knowledge, I agree, but about experience, this is how to say it. An informal who may have more than one hot spot behind him or simply in the soul of a warrior will give odds to the green lieutenant.
    2. paul3390
      paul3390 26 November 2022 15: 21
      +1
      Come on. How many in civilian life have we seen, let's say, craftsmen at the factory after graduation? He may have a theory, but until he gains experience and enters the topic, no one will listen to him and frankly send hard workers. When he proves that he knows what he is talking about, then there will be submission. Before that, fuck it. And even more so - in the army, where your life directly depends on the orders of an officer.
      1. Lt. Air Force stock
        Lt. Air Force stock 26 November 2022 16: 33
        -2
        Quote: paul3390
        He may have a theory, but until he gains experience and enters the topic, no one will listen to him and frankly send hard workers.

        You don’t compare the factory with the army, try to disobey the order in the army, and even during the hostilities, immediately to court. Of course, I assume that the volunteer battalions most likely have a different situation, the situation is closer to PMCs, and not to the army.
        1. paul3390
          paul3390 26 November 2022 18: 02
          +2
          Now, if only the generals were put on trial, who send fighters with sabers to machine guns ..
      2. VALERIK_097
        VALERIK_097 26 November 2022 19: 59
        0
        And in order for the hard workers of the master not to be sent anywhere, there is a foreman. And to send a foreman to hell is worse than terrible. .But everything suits everyone, because we get a good salary and this is again a considerable merit of the foreman.
    3. Aerodrome
      Aerodrome 26 November 2022 16: 13
      0
      Quote: Lt. air force reserve
      A man who graduated from college, he has knowledge and no experience,

      Knowledge yes, experience no.
      1. Lt. Air Force stock
        Lt. Air Force stock 26 November 2022 16: 30
        0
        Quote: Aerodrome

        Knowledge yes, experience no.

        What is the experience of the Lieutenant? The main thing there is to correctly build a platoon according to tactics and that's it. They are not required to master operational art, where knowledge and experience are already 50/50.
  4. Bingo
    Bingo 26 November 2022 14: 26
    +8
    He discovered America, in any military conflict, characters who were uncomfortable in peacetime were always put forward as leaders, moreover, immediately after the war they had to be "pushed in", precisely because they would ruin the peacetime army. For example, the commendable quality of an initiative IN NORMAL life, in a peacetime army, is a violation of subordination. And in a war, there’s no way without it, if you sit and wait for the ORDER to put you on that hillock from which you can see a couple of fighters or at least mines, the enemy will climb in there and they will either shoot you or cover you with artillery.
  5. Alexfly
    Alexfly 26 November 2022 14: 28
    0
    That's just the point, commanders are selected for the most part not by their qualities, but by proximity to the commanders ..
  6. opposite28
    opposite28 26 November 2022 14: 34
    -2
    We have so many problems on the ground, not only because the generals take a long time to rebuild or the mobilized cowards, but also because of the weak role of the lower and middle command levels. Our sergeant is a fighter with stripes

    - writes brigade commander Khodakovsky.
    So if in the armies of the LDNR such smart and authoritative brigade commanders dividing into "us and you" serve the Motherland and complain about someone's weak roles, for what and who then did "they" need the assistance and protection from the RF Armed Forces and mobilized citizens of the Russian Federation? !
    1. Edik
      Edik 26 November 2022 15: 40
      +3
      Quote: oppozite28
      So if in the armies of the LDNR such smart and authoritative brigade commanders dividing into "us and you" serve the Motherland and complain about someone's weak roles

      Others do not survive there, all the rules are written in blood there! They have rich experience and they honestly share it! In general, I would send all our fighters to them for an "internship" first of all! There they will teach the Motherland to love and fight correctly.
      1. opposite28
        opposite28 26 November 2022 15: 49
        0
        Others do not survive there, all the rules are written in blood there! They have rich experience and they honestly share it! In general, I would send all our fighters to them for an "internship" first of all! There they will teach the Motherland to love and fight correctly.
        So after all, the rules of the road are also written in blood and to make changes to the already established rules, let's say from the Japanese rules of the road, to put it mildly, is not entirely correct.
        1. Edik
          Edik 26 November 2022 15: 57
          0
          Quote: oppozite28
          So after all, the rules of the road are also written in blood.

          What did you mean by this? What if they share their "rules of motion" with us, then we ourselves have a mustache? Or is it still worth listening to?
          1. opposite28
            opposite28 26 November 2022 16: 07
            -2
            A counter question, why are Wagner PMC fighters called musicians?
            1. Edik
              Edik 26 November 2022 16: 12
              -1
              Quote: oppozite28
              A counter question, why are Wagner PMC fighters called musicians?

              It has nothing to do with this issue at all. Wagner is a separate topic. The discipline there is iron, no one doubts and does not ask stupid questions.
              1. opposite28
                opposite28 26 November 2022 16: 18
                -1
                I'm not talking about physical participation in PMCs, but about the semantic load that prompted the founders of this PMC to name it this way and not otherwise, and also about the semantic load of the word musician in addition to the obvious answer.
                1. Edik
                  Edik 26 November 2022 16: 25
                  0
                  It seems like one of the "founders" was with such a call sign. And the musician, I think that this belongs to this PMC.
  7. Dart2027
    Dart2027 26 November 2022 14: 52
    +1
    It is difficult to disagree with Khodakovsky in this statement, but the reason for this is the specific mentality of so many Russians, not military leaders, but rather military officials.

    The reason is that any commander must be a professional. Even in the draft army. Otherwise hazing.
  8. Alexey G
    Alexey G 26 November 2022 15: 16
    +1
    Experience and knowledge will come with time, but leadership qualities, the ability to command and care, to be responsible for subordinates and in front of subordinates - these are the personality characteristics that even the best military school cannot instill.

    I cannot agree with A.S. Khodakovsky. The best military schools should serve the best officers. For me, examples of such schools include the Ordzhonikidze Higher Combined Arms Command twice Red Banner School named after Marshal of the Soviet Union A. I. Eremenko (OrdzhVOKU), closed in 1993. And if you take from family experience, then the Higher Officer Orders of Lenin and the October Revolution, Red Banner Courses " Shot" named after Marshal of the Soviet Union B. M. Shaposhnikov, which my father graduated from in Solnechnogorsk.
    And the fact that our education has been ruined, including military education, is another matter! The question is important and relevant. In Soviet schools, they taught not only knowledge, but also forged the spirit of the commander, over which the educators pored over! It is not for nothing that the Kachin Higher Military Aviation School named after A.F. Myasnikov, close to my heart, gave rise to a whole galaxy of glorious heroic doctors, which was closed in the 90s.
    Being a Kachin was always perceived as a pride.
    Alexander Sergeyevich simply never studied at a military school himself and is essentially self-taught, but it is wrong to call for informal leaders to command in the army, since you won’t be fed up with one spirit, leadership qualities need to be backed up with reliable knowledge, without which even authoritative commanders are beaten, remember Chapaev, who placed his headquarters too close to the enemy troops! Such thoughts form the idea of ​​the army by analogy with a bandit gang ... In general, the brigade commander talks too much on the Internet about what he should do in accordance with his position.
    Conclusion: it is necessary to reform the education system, restoring ideological, educational work in it, aimed at the formation of command, leadership qualities of the officer corps based on a system of patriotic ideas, as well as sergeants in the army.
  9. paul3390
    paul3390 26 November 2022 15: 17
    +4
    Dad told the kingdom of heaven to him, when he served - sergeants were trained in the division. That is, let's say the commander of the company, seeing a capable fighter, he sent him to study, after which he returned to the company. Then - all this type was centralized. Well - and who will give a valuable shot if it is not returned to him later? There are no fools. So they began to prepare the junior command staff of the hell out of whom. With all the ensuing..
  10. iouris
    iouris 26 November 2022 15: 17
    +1
    Marshal Zhukov allegedly said: "I and the sergeant command the army."
    A peacetime sergeant is a junior wartime officer. The sergeant - the junior commander - is constantly in the mass of soldiers, teaches soldiery, leads the line of the unit commander, shows a personal example, ensures discipline, sets tasks and demands execution.
    If in the army the corps of sergeants is in decline, then even Marshal Zhukov is not capable of leading the troops.
    1. seamen2
      seamen2 26 November 2022 16: 34
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      in the late 90s they gave me a junior sergeant after training. not me alone. the whole company. not for achievements. but just automatically to the VUS.
      in a new place after distribution they gave a platoon. grandfathers said - * command. so that everything is smooth. we want to go on layoffs. If anything is in order, we will provide you. but we will also ask you. time has passed. they leave. what I understand is to be respected. and if you stuff someone's snout in a dark corner for non-performance, then this is normal. they won't judge. and if you go to the authorities, that is, to the officers, general contempt is guaranteed. yes..and I acted in this spirit. and considered colleagues. that I'm fierce. and gave me a dark one. and then they apologized. and from the parade ground to the demobilization was carried out in an embrace.
      such is the story about the Russian army in the late 90s, early XNUMXs.
      now, I don't know. I would not like to be mobilized and given a platoon again. I don't have the qualities for that.
      1. iouris
        iouris 26 November 2022 20: 05
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        Quote from seamen2
        I would not like to be mobilized and given a platoon again. I don't have the qualities for that.

        It's true. But you would agree to be the Minister of Defense.
        1. seamen2
          seamen2 26 November 2022 20: 17
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          after the service they offered a school of ensigns. did not agree. I had no desire to serve further. not an ensign. not the secretary of defense.
        2. stankow
          stankow 27 November 2022 14: 31
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          A person is honest and self-critical about himself, respect his opinion!
  11. for
    for 26 November 2022 15: 18
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    Experience and knowledge will come with time, but leadership qualities, the ability to command and care, be responsible for subordinates and in front of subordinates

    Command is clear, how to be responsible?
    And these leaders, as a rule, are careerists (in the bad sense of the word) in such a way that there are no words.
  12. rocket757
    rocket757 26 November 2022 15: 20
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    DPR brigade commander: Our sergeant is nothing more than a fighter with badges
    . What can I say ... just repeat what I heard a long time ago, from experienced military men. The sergeant must be trained according to one program, methodology, so that they can CORRECTLY understand the commands of the commanders and be able to correctly and effectively execute them !!! Correctly, effectively command ordinary soldiers.
    Sergeant schools, it's not just invented.
    By the way, in Soviet times, sergeant / training units were not simply determined, not always, of course, but characteristics from the place of study, work, from Komsomol organizations played a role.
    It was the same in the army, they didn’t give badges for nothing.
  13. Got it
    Got it 26 November 2022 15: 52
    +2
    There is some truth in what has been said, the depreciation of the title, and an example of this is the environment of the Minister of Defense, ladies with huge stars, albeit in the status of some kind of "advisers", look awkward; talking heads from the TV screen, with generals' shoulder straps, in the Ministry of Internal Affairs, in the Moscow Region, where is the sergeant! laughing
  14. grindz
    grindz 26 November 2022 16: 02
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    This is a common problem - the depreciation of military ranks and merit. It is too easy in the USSR and the Russian Federation to hand out general ranks, and behind them the officers are pulled up. Then you look at a man of 27-28 years old and he is already some kind of major. Such things should be strictly suppressed. The same depreciation of awards. According to the media, as you look at the hero of Russia, almost every dead person is given posthumously. It turns out, not an order, but a trinket-pendant. Can not be so.
  15. cpls22
    cpls22 26 November 2022 18: 06
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    With one year of military service, identifying and preparing a full-fledged sergeant seems like a utopia.
    The selection should be not only on the tip of "informers" - this is the only way to grow criminal authorities. The commander, in theory, should not only meet with the company on the parade ground, but see the personnel both in business and on vacation.
  16. iouris
    iouris 26 November 2022 20: 08
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    It seems Bismarck said that any German sergeant (non-commissioned officer) can be a teacher, but not any teacher is capable of being a sergeant. Because Germany under Bismarck became a great power, because there were not only Bismarcks, but also sergeants.
  17. saygon66
    saygon66 26 November 2022 20: 12
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    - We had sergeants, so to speak, of two types:
    - Came from the sergeant's "training"
    - And their own, "home-grown" - chosen by the company commander, appointed to the position, with the assignment of the appropriate ranks.
    - The first "category" of sergeants had much more difficulty ... Because they were constantly "checked for lice." wink
    - "Sergeantry" of the second was perceived calmly, because these guys have already managed to show themselves, and earn some kind of authority ...
    - And, yes, by the 80s, sergeants, indeed, were not much better than ordinary fighters.
    - And here's another! It was said that in the 60s and early 70s, sergeants were even placed in separate cockpits ... and even earlier they wore caps on a daily basis, not caps ... Although, I can’t vouch for the authenticity. request
  18. Master 2030
    Master 2030 26 November 2022 20: 39
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    Judging by his "experience", Khodokovsky is not a commander, but a blogger in camouflage.
  19. Master 2030
    Master 2030 26 November 2022 20: 46
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    Actually, for this, the SA had a mixed system of staffing by sergeants. Training + promotion in parts by commanders. The system itself failed due to the general decay of the Army. And Hodor is too smart on insta. In the 14th, the Armed Forces of Ukraine were generally raked away from civilians in hunting camouflage.
  20. Sidel45
    Sidel45 26 November 2022 21: 00
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    "Our sergeant is a fighter with stripes." This misfortune was always in the Soviet army - just anyone was recruited into the schools of junior commanders, just to fulfill the plan, and all work with the soldiers lay with the commanders of platoons and companies. In this regard, we recall the words of Marshal Zhukov about his service in the tsarist army, where only non-commissioned officers dealt with soldiers, i.e. the same sergeants. According to him, he saw his company commander only a few times in his entire service, the battalion commander - not once, and the regiment commander once, and even then from a distance - they showed how he rode a horse in the distance.
  21. dv_generalov
    dv_generalov 27 November 2022 06: 09
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    The article is written, but! Now I can’t talk about sergeants in the RF Armed Forces, I served in the Ministry of Emergency Situations for more than 20 years. We have many commanders from the Ministry of Defense, and here the author very accurately expressed the attitude of these people (an officer or a senior official - I don’t dare to call my tongue) - I would say people are corrupted .... The absence of any moral boundaries is something whether. And most likely this is due to the fact that the career growth of these people in the structures did not take place on the basis of professional suitability, but on the principle of personal loyalty, hence nepotism, bribery, and non-statutory relationships ... These pseudo generals .... only harmoniously capable accept reports and bonuses in incomprehensible volumes, in violation of financial and administrative documents that themselves descend into place (believe me, I know what I am writing) ... This is where problems arise for them, middle-level and senior-level officers are rubbish, and they can do anything. In view of this, we get the result, if the middle link is not treated as commanders who are subordinate to personnel and operational issues at the level of department, platoon, company, battalion (in my case - guard, unit, detachment, management), then we have that or anything - but not what is required. My opinion (it is clear that it is purely subjective), the introduction of a common disciplinary Charter for all structures (I emphasize not the Criminal Code, this is already a consequence of the act), then the situation will improve. And not like that, at first we will fix our legs, everything is bad with the soldiers - ah, the sergeant is the same soldier, but with little stripes. The head must first be corrected, and then the limbs, then the role of junior commanders will increase and the statistics will be different for both 200 and 300, and according to departments the number of injured and dead as a result of the performance of official duties there is enough combat work) ... It is necessary to radically change the personnel policy, and taking into account the NWO, the principle of appointing and training personnel
  22. Kapany3
    Kapany3 27 November 2022 10: 52
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    The troops used to have the concept of "responsible officer" in each unit. As a platoon commander, I have tasted the delights of this unofficial position more than once. Until they accepted the company withdrawn from Afghanistan. By order of the army, company officers were allowed not to appoint those responsible. The sergeants handled everything.
    The upper management does not see what is happening at the bottom. Everything depends on the unit commanders in the field, and not on the system (according to Khodakovsky). It's time for him to pick up a pen and stop calling himself commander.

    With all due respect to his merits, he became a journalist.
  23. stankow
    stankow 27 November 2022 13: 29
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    ~~~~~ In the understanding of high-ranking generals, it’s not like a sergeant or lieutenant, a battalion commander is a “pawn” that can always be replaced and whose opinion can be completely ignored and even ignored

    Here's how. And how many of these "high-ranking generals" do you personally know?