Military-technical cooperation between the West and China in the field of combat aviation

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Military-technical cooperation between the West and China in the field of combat aviation

In the late 1970s, Chinese aviation the industry was in deep stagnation, and this primarily applied to combat aircraft. The basis of the fighter aviation of the PLA Air Force was the J-5, J-6 and J-7 fighters - Chinese copies of the MiG-17, MiG-19 and MiG-21F-13. Fine-tuning of the Chinese supersonic all-weather fighter-interceptor J-8, the first modifications of which largely followed the line of development of the Su-9 and Su-11, was very difficult.

Before the termination of military-technical cooperation with the USSR, Chinese specialists were mainly engaged in adapting Soviet aircraft to local conditions, making minor changes to the design of aircraft, adapting them to the production capabilities of Chinese enterprises and local operating conditions. The aggravation of Sino-Soviet relations led to a virtual halt in the development of military aviation in China. The absence in the PRC of a developed scientific and design base and its own developments did not allow it to independently create advanced world-class combat aircraft.



After the establishment of diplomatic relations with the United States and the rapprochement between Washington and Beijing on the basis of anti-Sovietism, China gained access to many defense aviation products available in Western-oriented countries. It was about the acquisition of individual units: avionics, radars, aircraft engines and weapons, and the purchase of full-fledged flight samples, a package of technical documentation. In a number of cases, Western developers and manufacturers of aviation equipment participated in the modernization of Chinese combat aircraft, and Chinese specialists trained in the West. A large-scale purchase of machine tools and lines for the production of electronic components was also made.

As a result, all this made it possible to prepare the ground for a qualitative breakthrough that raised the PLA Air Force to a new level of development.

Purchases of Soviet-made aircraft in Egypt


Until the mid-1970s, Egypt was one of the largest recipients of contemporary Soviet weapons. In 1978, Egyptian President Anwar Sadat announced the termination of defense cooperation with the USSR and the transition to Western standards. After the conclusion of a peace agreement with Israel and the establishment of partnerships with the United States, American and then Chinese experts got the opportunity to thoroughly familiarize themselves with Soviet-made fighters.

In 1960, China received from the USSR a package of documentation for the MiG-21F-13 fighter, as well as several finished aircraft and assembly kits. In the PLA Air Force, this aircraft received the designation J-7. However, due to the “Cultural Revolution” that began in the PRC, the serial production of the J-7 was stopped, and it was only by the beginning of the 21s that the Chineseized MiG-1980 was brought to mind.

Further improvement of the J-7 in the PRC was largely due to the outright theft of Soviet MiG-21 fighters supplied to the DRV through Chinese territory. In addition, according to Western sources, China bought several MiG-21MFs from Egypt. After getting acquainted with the new modifications of the MiG-21, the Chinese copied the GSh-23 aircraft gun, the R-13-300 turbofan engine and the Sapphire-21 radar.


Fighter J-7C

The J-7C fighter, which appeared in 1984, had a radar sight, a new more powerful engine and was armed with a 23-mm cannon and four missiles with a thermal homing head PL-2 (a copy of the Soviet K-13) or improved PL-5. On the J-7D fighter, the production of which was launched in 1988, they installed the JL-7A radar with a detection range of the Tu-16 bomber of about 30 km. J-7D production continued until 1996.

Chinese designers, who unsuccessfully tried to create a new generation fighter on their own, were much more interested in the MiG-21MS front-line interceptors and MiG-23BN fighter-bombers available in Egypt than the MiG-23MF.


For a long time, everything related to the presence of variable-swept MiGs in China was hidden by a veil of secrecy. Only relatively recently have photographs been published that capture this technique. In the existing image, in addition to the MiG-23MS, you can also see the American F-5A fighter, transferred by Vietnam, even before that country's relations with China deteriorated.

It is now known that Egypt in the late 1970s handed over to the PRC two MiG-23MS, MiG-23BN and MiG-23UB aircraft. Due to the fact that in the 1970s the concept of a variable-sweep wing combat aircraft was very popular, China decided to develop a strike machine according to this scheme. Of particular interest was also the avionics, engine and armament of the MiG-23. After getting acquainted with the design and flying around the "twenty-thirds", it was decided to create a Chinese fighter-bomber with a variable geometry wing Q-6, equipping it with a copy of the R-29-300 engine, a laser rangefinder-target designator, a terrain following system and modern navigation equipment.


Layout fighter-bomber Q-6

The PLA Air Force command hoped that the use of Soviet technical solutions familiar and understandable to Chinese specialists would make it possible to create a new fighter-bomber in a relatively short period of time and at moderate costs. However, Chinese designers, with the technologies at their disposal, could not provide the necessary strength of the wing and acceptable reliability of the turning mechanism. An attempt to unlicensedly copy the Soviet R-29-300 turbojet engine and aiming and navigation aviation systems also failed.

Western avionics on PLA Air Force aircraft


In the 1980s, the main efforts were concentrated on improving the J-7 fighter. Although the 4th generation fighters had appeared in the USA and the USSR by that time, the PLA Air Force had nothing better than its own versions of the MiG-21.

The J-7E fighter, which made its first flight in 1987, used British-designed avionics, an Israeli fire control system and PL-8 missiles copied from the Python 3 missile defense system.

In 2001, the last and most advanced modification in the family of Chinese “twenty-firsts” was tested - the J-7G fighter with a Chinese-made KLJ-6E airborne radar (a licensed copy of the Italian Pointer-2500 radar) with a range of detecting air targets against the background of the ground up to 55 km.


Radar maintenance on J-7G

A Type 7 HUD is installed in the cockpit of the J-956G fighter, which displays flight and sighting information, and the pilot has a helmet-mounted target designator at his disposal. The official adoption of the J-7G into service took place in 2004, and the J-7E / G fighter modifications in the PLA Air Force are still in operation.

In the 1970s, the PRC did not have fighters and front-line bombers equipped with powerful anti-interference airborne radars capable of detecting an air target beyond the line of sight, which in turn severely limited the capabilities of fighter-interceptors and strike aircraft in the dark and in the absence of guidance from the ground.

In this regard, a number of Chinese research institutes were tasked with copying the AN / APQ-113 surveillance and sighting station, taken from the American F-111A fighter-bomber shot down in Vietnam, and the AN / APQ-120 multifunctional radar, which was installed on F- 4D/E/F/G Phantom II.


Radar AN / APQ-120

Chinese specialists managed to assemble a working sample of the AN / APQ-120 radar from blocks dismantled from several aircraft that crashed in the jungles of Southeast Asia, but they were unable to independently reproduce the American station, which used a semiconductor element base.

In the mid-1980s, taking advantage of its status as the main fighter against "Soviet hegemonism" in the Far East, China managed to gain access to documentation and legally acquired samples of the AN / APQ-120 radar, which by that time was considered largely obsolete in the United States. Based on this American radar, produced in the USA since the mid-1960s, the Type 232H radar was created in China. According to information published in the public domain, this station, installed on the first versions of the JH-7 fighter-bomber, is capable of detecting the MiG-21 at a distance of up to 75 km, and a large surface target is detected at a distance of up to 160 km.


JH-7 Fighter Bomber

Although the JH-7 is designated as Jianjiji-Hongzhaji - a fighter-bomber, this aircraft is actually a front-line bomber and was primarily created to replace the obsolete H-5 bomber (Chinese version of the Il-28). The first production JH-7 aircraft were produced in 1994. The upgraded version, which received updated avionics and armament, first flew in 1998, became known as the JH-7A.

In 1985, serial construction of the J-8II interceptor began. But due to the fact that the Chinese industry could not equip the J-8II with modern avionics and weapons, the PRC leadership took an unusual step. In the framework of Sino-American cooperation in 1986, a contract worth more than $ 500 million was signed for the modernization of Chinese J-8II interceptors in the United States.

Details of the secret program, known as Peace Pearl, have not yet been disclosed. But a number of sources say that the American AN / APG-66 (V) radars, 1553B MIL-STD data buses, fire control processors, multifunction displays, an indicator on the windshield, were supposed to be installed on Chinese fighter-interceptors, modern navigation and communications equipment, an ejection seat from Martin-Baker.

In early 1989, two J-8II fighters specially trained at the Shenyang aircraft factory were delivered to the US Air Force Flight Test Center - at Edwards Air Force Base. According to Western data, China managed to prepare 24 interceptors for the installation of American avionics. However, after the events on Tiananmen Square, the Americans curtailed military-technical cooperation with China, and further improvement of the J-8II had to be carried out on its own.

However, Chinese experts managed to peep a lot of useful things from the Americans. After breaking the contract with the United States, the interceptor, known as the J-8II Batch 02 (J-8IIB), received an improved SL-8А radar with a detection range of 70 km, multifunctional displays and modern navigation equipment at that time. But before the version that was supposed to be received as part of the Peace Pearl program, this interceptor fell short. The capabilities of the fire control system were very modest, and melee missiles remained the main weapon. Nevertheless, this option was put into mass production.


J-8IID interceptor with PL-11 and PL-8 missiles

After modernization, installation of air refueling equipment and medium-range missiles PL-11 (a copy of the Italian Aspide Mk. 1), the aircraft received the designation J-8IID (J-8D). The standard armament of the interceptor was two PL-11 medium-range missiles with semi-active radar guidance and two PL-8 melee missiles (a copy of the Israeli Python-3).

Western-style radars were also received by Chinese anti-submarine patrol aircraft and AWACS. In the early 1980s, a batch of American AN / APS-504 radars was sent to China, which were subsequently used to be installed on Y-8 aircraft (a Chinese copy of the An-12). The AN / APS-504 surface illumination radar, which scans the space in the lower hemisphere, is capable of detecting large surface targets at a distance of up to 370 km.


Patrol aircraft Y-8X

The use of Y-8X patrol aircraft equipped with AN / APS-504 radar began in 1986. In addition to the radar, on board the Y-8X there were electronic intelligence and electronic warfare stations, cameras, infrared sensors, a magnetometer, a sonar buoy signal receiver, advanced Western-made communications and an Omega navigation system. The rear ramp is tightly sewn up, and the interior space is divided into several compartments for operators and electronic equipment.

According to Western data, a total of four Y-8X aircraft were built. Upgraded Y-8X still regularly make long-range reconnaissance flights in the waters of the East China and South China seas, along the coast of South Korea and Japan.

In August 1996, bypassing the sanctions against China, the British company Racal Electronics supplied 8 Skymaster aircraft radars, worth $66 million. At a range of 7–000 km, the radar is capable of detecting submarine periscopes. Low-altitude air targets with an EPR of 250 m² are detected at a distance of 80 km. The radar can simultaneously observe 90 air targets and 5 surface targets.

Eight Y-8 military transport aircraft were allocated to install British-made radars. Converted aircraft with a characteristic "beard" of the radar received the designation Y-8J. According to the official Chinese version, these machines were intended to fight smugglers and to "explore the oceans."


Y-8J

In addition to radar, aerial cameras, additional suspension units for bombs and buoys, the aircraft received larger fuel tanks, which increased the patrol duration to 11 hours at a speed of 470 km/h. The onboard equipment included radio intelligence stations and new means of communication. After modernization, the aircraft received a dark ball color. Foreign experts believe that, albeit with some restrictions, the Y-8J became the first Chinese AWACS aircraft capable of directing combat aviation.

In the late 1980s, the USSR offered China an export modification of the AWACS aircraft - A-50E, with a simplified radio-technical complex and without closed communication equipment. However, Chinese experts, having familiarized themselves with the radio-technical complex of this machine, built on a less than perfect element base, considered that it would be more rational to use the Il-76TD base platform, combining it with modern Israeli-made equipment.

After quite lengthy consultations in 1997, a tripartite contract was signed for the creation of an early warning aviation complex, which received the preliminary designation A-50I. The contractors were the Israeli company Elta and the Russian TANTK them. G. M. Berieva. The Russian side undertook to prepare a serial A-50 for conversion, and the Israelis were to install an EL / M-205 PHALCON radar, a data processing complex and communications equipment on it.

Unlike the Soviet AWACS A-50 aircraft, the Israeli EL / M-205 radar antenna was to be placed in a fixed disk-shaped fairing with a diameter of 11,5 m (larger than that of the A-50), with three AFARs forming an isosceles triangle. According to the characteristics announced by the manufacturer, the Israeli decimeter range radar (1,2-1,4 GHz), in combination with high-performance computing tools and special noise suppression devices, was supposed to provide the ability to detect “difficult” low-altitude air targets: cruise missiles and aircraft developed using technology of low radar visibility. The cost of one AWACS aircraft with Israeli equipment was $ 250 million. In total, the PLA Air Force intended to order four such aircraft.

The practical implementation of the contract began in 1999, when an A-50 from the Russian Air Force with tail number "44" flew to Israel after the dismantling of the Soviet radio-technical complex and overhaul. According to the schedule, the first AWACS aircraft with an Israeli radar, an electronic intelligence station and communications equipment was to be handed over to the Chinese side at the end of 2000. But already during the implementation of the program, the Americans intervened in the matter, and already with the high technical readiness of the complex in the summer of 2000, the Israeli side announced a unilateral withdrawal from the project.

After Israel refused to jointly create AWACS aircraft based on the Il-76TD, Chinese specialists continued the project on their own. Apparently, Israel, bypassing the United States, nevertheless handed over technical documentation and equipment samples.


DRLO KJ-2000 aircraft

The Chinese radar complex of the aircraft, which received the name KJ-2000, largely repeated the version proposed by the Israeli designers. As planned, the aircraft received a radar with AFAR in a non-rotating disc-shaped fairing.

According to information voiced by the Chinese media, the radar installed on the KJ-2000 is capable of detecting targets at a distance of more than 400 km and simultaneously tracking up to 100 air and surface objects. It is reported that the AWACS aircraft can also be used to fix ballistic missile launches and calculate their flight trajectories. Thus, during the tests, it was possible to timely detect a ballistic missile launched at a distance of 1 km.

Unlike the Soviet A-50, the KJ-2000 did not initially have an in-flight refueling system, which, with a sufficiently high specific fuel consumption, significantly limits patrol time. At a distance of 2 km from its airfield, an aircraft can remain on patrol for 000 hour and 1 minutes. The maximum flight duration is not more than 25 hours.

In total, 4 heavy AWACS aircraft on the Il-76TD platform were built for the PLA Air Force. In the past, they often took part in major exercises and were permanently based in the eastern province of Zhejiang near the Taiwan Strait. At the moment, all available KJ-2000s have been withdrawn from the combat strength of the PLA Air Force.

Western aircraft engines


In the 1980s, China made significant efforts to catch up in the field of aircraft engines. At some stage, there were attempts to copy the Soviet R13-300 turbofans dismantled from the MiG-21MF and R-29-300, MiG-23MS / BN, as well as the American General Electric J79-GE-17A from the F-4E Phantom II. The reverse engineering of the P13-300 engine, the Chinese versions of which were installed in later modifications of the J-7 fighter, turned out to be successful. But the Chinese could not copy much more complex engines from the MiG-23 and Phantom due to a weak technological and scientific base.

Chinese developers failed to independently create an aircraft engine for the JH-7 front-line bomber, and the first batch of aircraft was equipped with the British Rolls-Royce Mk 202 Spey turbofans. Spey engines for testing were received in the late 1970s.


TRDDF Rolls-Royce Mk 202 Spey

The British installed such engines on their version of the deck "Phantom" FG. Mk. 1 (F-4K). TRDDF Mk. 202 had a thrust of 5/450 kg, a weight of 9 kg, a diameter of 200 mm and a length of 1 mm. In terms of static thrust, it was somewhat superior to the General Electric J856 turbofan used on American-made Phantom aircraft. However, due to the greater air consumption of the English engine, an increase in the cross section of the air intakes was required, which affected the aerodynamics of the aircraft.

During operation, it turned out that the Spey engine, which received the designation WS-9 Qinling in China, is very critical to the level of service and not very reliable. Shortly after the JH-7 entered combat squadrons, several aircraft were lost due to engine failure. As further practice of using the Rolls-Royce Mk 202 Spey turbofans showed, they turned out to be rather capricious and not entirely suitable for use on supersonic multi-purpose combat aircraft. But the Chinese did not have much choice, no one was in a hurry to sell them modern propulsion systems. It should be said that this was the first case in the post-war period when a Chinese combat aircraft was equipped with an engine not of Soviet, but of Western design.

Although the UK provided the PRC with a full package of documents necessary for licensed production, until 2003 China could not master the production of the Mk 202 Spey engine. To continue mass production of the JH-7 and replace engines that have run out of service, in 2001 an additional 90 Speys were purchased, taken from the British carrier-based F-4K fighters.

In 1982, the United States sold to China "for testing" two CFM56-2 turbofan engines manufactured by CFM International. Engines of this type were installed on Douglas DC-8 and Boeing 707 airliners.


TRDDF CFM56-2

Although the CFM56-2 turbofan was installed on civilian airliners, its main components - the high pressure compressor, combustion chamber and high pressure turbine - were also used on the General Electric F110 turbofan, which in turn is the power plant on the 4th generation F-15 fighter and F-16.

The American military leadership was categorically against sending these engines to China. However, the then administration of President Ronald Reagan, hoping for an alliance with the PRC against the USSR, insisted on a deal on the condition that the engines should be stored in special sealed containers and opened only in the presence of American representatives, disassembly of the engines was strictly prohibited. But the Chinese, in their usual manner, did not comply with the agreement, they opened the engines, disassembled and studied their components. Subsequently, Beijing refused to return the engines to the US under the pretext that they had "burned out in a fire."

Sources in the US intelligence community claim that familiarity with the CFM56-2 turbofan contributed to the creation of the WS-10 turbofan, which was developed at the 606th Shenyang Research Institute of the Ministry of Aviation Industry.


TRDDF WS-10

In the past, a number of Russian media have claimed that the WS-10 is a Chinese copy of the AL-31F engine. However, every visitor to the Beijing Aviation Museum can be convinced that this is not true. Since June 2010, the WS-10 turbofan engine has been available for free viewing in the museum exhibition.

The first serial WS-10 turbofan engines were inferior to the Soviet aircraft engine AL-31F in terms of basic characteristics, and the overhaul life of the Chinese aircraft engine did not exceed 40 hours. But since the creation of the first version of the WS-10, Chinese specialists have managed to seriously move forward in terms of increasing the resource, increasing reliability and reducing weight.

In 2014, an interview was published at the Zhuhai Air Show with Lao Dong, a representative of the Shenyang Research Institute 606. Lao Dong stated that WS-10B engines are installed on J-11B fighters. The assigned WS-10 life is 1 hours and the overhaul life is 500 hours. He also said that the engine is being improved, and the version currently being produced uses more new composite materials, which made the engine lighter, and thanks to the creation of new refractory alloys for turbine blades, it can work longer afterburner. It is reported that one of the variants of the WS-300 is capable of developing thrust up to 10 kN. According to Western sources, as of 155, more than 2021 WS-600 aircraft engines of various modifications could be assembled in China.

Fighter J-10


In the 1980s, it became clear that the J-7 delta-wing light fighter, despite attempts at modernization, could not compete with American and Soviet 4th generation fighters. In terms of maneuverability, thrust-to-weight ratio, radar and armament characteristics, the Chinese versions of the MiG-21 were hopelessly behind the F-16 and MiG-29.

In the 1970s, the PRC was building a single-engine fighter jet J-9. The prototype J-9, assembled at the aircraft factory in Chengdu, made its first flight in 1975, but due to the unavailability of the power plant, sighting and navigation system and weapons, its refinement was deemed inappropriate.


The prototype of the Chinese J-9 fighter with tail number "11027". On the right is an experimental modification of the J-7 fighter

After the failure of the J-9 project, it became clear that Chinese specialists could solve such a difficult task within an acceptable timeframe only in cooperation with foreign colleagues who had at their disposal the relevant developments and technologies. Shortly before this decision was made, in 1987, in Israel, under pressure from the United States, the development of the 4th generation light fighter IAI Lavi was stopped.

The design of this aircraft began in the second half of 1982, and the first flight of the prototype took place in December 1986. The work went at a high pace, the start of deliveries of the first serial copies was scheduled for 1990. However, the Americans, fearing that the Lavi would compete with the F-16, blocked financial support for this program.

As a result, many developments on the Israeli light fighter were used to create the Chinese J-10. Apparently, the American leadership was aware of the Sino-Israeli contract and did not interfere with it, which became a kind of compensation for Israel's refusal to launch mass production of a fighter of its own design.


Double fighter IAI Lavi

The project of the new Chinese aircraft was based on the main layout solutions of the Israeli fighter, but the J-10 cannot be considered a complete copy of the Lavi. Although Sino-Israeli cooperation at the first stage was carried out secretly, the Israelis did not dare to transfer the American Pratt & Whitney PW1120 turbofan to China. In the early 1990s, the Russian side joined the program, and the AL-31F turbofan engine installed on the Su-27SK was proposed as a power plant. The N10E Zhuk radar was also tested on the J-010. However, the Israeli Elta EL / M ELM-2021 radar was installed on at least one prototype.

The work was carried out in an atmosphere of deep secrecy, but in the fall of 1994, the American media, citing American intelligence agencies, reported that at the aircraft factory in Chengdu, space reconnaissance equipment recorded an aircraft resembling the Eurofighter EF-2000 Typhoon or Dassault Rafale fighters with its outlines and dimensions. The first flight of the J-10 prototype took place on March 23, 1998.


Prototype fighter J-10

Official photographs of the J-10 were released in 2007. Before that, photos taken by Chinese spotters appeared on the Internet, after which some of them went to jail. It was on the basis of these illegal photographs that it became clear that the J-10 was made according to the "duck" aerodynamic scheme with a triangular mid-wing, swept, close to the wing of the PGO and single-keel vertical tail. The air intake is located under the fuselage.

Later, information was published in the Chinese media that there was a large proportion of composite materials in the design of the airframe, made on the basis of aluminum alloys. The serial J-10A fighter is made statically unstable, which should provide a high level of maneuverability. This required the use of a fourfold redundant electric remote control system and modern computer technology.

The J-10A fighter with a maximum takeoff weight of 19 kg, with the Russian turbofan AL-277FN, has a combat radius of up to 31 km. The maximum flight speed at high altitude is 800 km/h. Cruising - 2 km / h. It is reported that without afterburner, the aircraft can fly at a speed of 340 km/h. Ceiling - 970 m. Thrust-to-weight ratio with a curb weight of 1 kg - 110.

According to information published in Chinese sources, the J-10A fighter is equipped with Type 1473 radar of its own design. This station is capable of detecting the MiG-21 aircraft at a distance of up to 100 km. The developer claims that the Type 1473 radar, with a digital weapon control system, can simultaneously track up to 10 air targets and fire medium-range missiles at two of them.


The serial J-10A is armed with an integrated 23 mm Type 23 cannon (a Chinese copy of the GSh-23). To combat an air enemy, melee missiles with an IR seeker PL-8 or Russian R-73 can be used. For missile duels or interception of enemy bombers at medium range, missiles with a semi-active radar seeker PL-11 are designed. The fighter has 11 external hardpoints that can accommodate a payload of 7 kg.

It is reported that in order to increase combat capabilities, modern highly maneuverable PL-10 melee missiles, which allegedly outperform the R-73 missiles, have been introduced into the armament. The PL-12 missiles with an active radar seeker should increase their firing capabilities at a greater range.

Overall, the J-10A was a solid mid-range fighter in the 4th generation light fighter class.


In 2013, it was officially announced that the serial production of the improved J-10B fighter was launched. The main difference between the J-10B fighter and the J-10A is the use of a new radar with AFAR as part of the avionics, which made it possible to reduce the mass of the radar and make the aircraft lighter. The J-10B also received a highly efficient optoelectronic station for detecting targets by their thermal radiation.

In June 2017, photos of the J-10C fighter with the PL-10 melee missile and the latest long-range PL-15 were published. Taking into account the fact that the launch range of PL-15 missiles can reach 150 km, the J-10C fighter must have a radar with very high energy performance. According to the information announced at the aerospace show in Zhuhai, the new LKF601E air-cooled AFAR radar is capable of tracking up to 15 fighter-type targets at a range of 170 km. The station operates at a frequency of 3 GHz. Power - 4 kW. Weight - about 145 kg.


J-10С fighter

A number of authoritative sources claim that the design of the J-10С airframe incorporates technical solutions aimed at reducing radar visibility, and that Russian AL-31FN aircraft engines have been replaced by Chinese WS-10s.

Western aviation experts believe that the successful creation of its own J-10 aircraft was the reason that China refused to purchase MiG-29 light fighters from Russia.

At present, the J-10 has seriously pushed out the obsolete J-7 light fighters and J-8 interceptors in the PLA Air Force. In total, Chengdu Aircraft Industry Corporation has built more than 400 J-10 aircraft of all modifications.

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  1. +5
    30 November 2022 05: 39
    China has made a huge leap in the field of military aviation in 30 years. The development of AWACS aircraft is very indicative. We have not been able to bring the A-100 to perfection for many years, at the same time, the Chinese created several types of AWACS and have already written off the KJ-2000 aircraft based on the Il-76, although these aircraft are not older than our A-50s.
    1. +2
      30 November 2022 07: 12
      The successes of the PRC in military construction are based on successes in economics and science. And not vice versa.
      1. +7
        30 November 2022 08: 19
        Quote: Civil
        The successes of the PRC in military construction are based on successes in economics and science. And not vice versa.

        Vadim, does anyone argue with this?
        But in fairness, it is worth saying that the Chinese leadership was concerned about the development of the aviation industry (including through copying) long before China achieved noticeable economic success.
        1. +3
          30 November 2022 10: 55
          Quote: Bongo
          .with Chinese-made KLJ-6E airborne radar (licensed copy of the Italian Pointer-2500 radar)

          Did they not only steal technologies, but also legally buy licenses?
          1. +2
            30 November 2022 11: 47
            Quote: Mister X
            Did they not only steal technologies, but also legally buy licenses?

            Michael, hello!
            Sometimes legally buying a license is more profitable than bothering with reverse engineering.
            1. -1
              30 November 2022 12: 23
              Religion is not synonymous with Saudi Arabia's large, super-religious society, which is experiencing the same problems that we have with a declining birth rate.
            2. +2
              30 November 2022 17: 35
              Quote: Bongo
              reverse engineering.

              Thank you!
              I will adopt a beautiful term wink
      2. +1
        30 November 2022 09: 22
        In China, the same processes are now taking place as in the USSR in the mid-70s and early 80s, a very large percentage of young people applied this year to continue their studies in graduate school. There are no problems with recruiting young employees. The number of people with higher education is growing year by year. Now a company is gaining momentum to attract young people to companies for unskilled vacancies where the average age of employees is already 40+. So now our Uzbeks are actively developing those niches that they have mastered with us. The main outflow comes from among non-believers who most often participated in fights here with the locals. Also, firms from China now, in order to compete, in the same way as before, transport their consumer goods production, which are profitable only with cheap labor, to Africa, where Africans also work, but already under the new colonialists for a piece of bread in slave conditions. The Chinese government subsidizes the automation of production at enterprises in their country, outdated equipment is being transported to Africa and poor neighbors where they are looking for new slaves to work on this equipment. The automation rate in China reaches 20-40% per year. China is simultaneously facing an aging nation with an average age of 38,8 in China. the speed is the same, 40% more than in the previous census. The trend is on the face of China's population decline. The path of all rich states that have laid their future on the altar of wealth. Today, only 10% of the Chinese population lives on less than $1 per family 20 years ago, this was 68%
        1. +1
          30 November 2022 10: 36
          Quote: insafufa
          The automation rate in China reaches 20-40% per year. China is simultaneously facing an aging nation with an average age of 38,8 in China.

          AND? In today's high-tech economy, there is simply no need for a lot of low-skilled manual labor. Hence the absolutely inevitable transition to models of a small family in such conditions. And transition plus-minus everywhere. From "hyper-progressive" societies like Sweden to religious ones like Iran.
          1. -1
            30 November 2022 12: 10
            In today's high-tech economy, there is simply no need for a lot of low-skilled manual labor.

            Well, for starters, not all of those processes can be automated; still, there remains a high percentage of industries where it is not possible to implement 100% because it is corny very expensive and will not pay off.
            The example of Sweden is a country that has long since moved from the production path to the path of selling innovative developments; they have long been trading in licenses and offers for their developments. In a modern high-tech society, where Africans still write on clay tablets, and the Sinais have already forgotten how to write and mostly knock on the clave. There is no way to feed everyone and end hunger on the planet; instead, they offer to eat a surrogate from fly larvae and palm oil. It's nutritious and cheap. Someone has to graze cattle. Driven cattle breeding leads to soil erosion and degradation of land fertility. There is depletion of soils in places of super intensive farming from here and tasteless vegetables and fruits more like plastic. A super-consumer society will not last long. The key to prosperity is a fair distribution of resources and a high division of labor.
            1. 0
              30 November 2022 12: 45
              Well, for starters, not all of those processes can be automated; still, there remains a high percentage of industries where it is not possible to implement 100% because it is corny very expensive and will not pay off.

              100% in most cases, and the truth will not work. But the amount of labor required will still be much less. And the requirements for the qualifications of workers are higher.
              A super-consumer society will not last long.

              What is "super consumption"?
              Well, yes - better "surrogate and tasteless vegetables" than the constant threat of hunger and starvation.
              What is a "high division of labor"?
      3. +2
        30 November 2022 10: 33
        Quote: Civil
        The successes of the PRC in military construction are based on successes in economics and science. And not vice versa.

        Exactly. And what's more, it really can't be otherwise.
  2. +4
    30 November 2022 05: 43
    The Chinese are great, such determination can only be envied. Ours, with perestroika, only squandered their achievements, but on trips for "experience" they rolled a lot of funds, and civilians are still rolling them.
    The author is also great!
  3. +5
    30 November 2022 05: 52
    Thank you for an interesting article, of which there have been very few in VO lately. good
  4. +4
    30 November 2022 09: 16
    hi
    As always, an interesting article on a topic that few people write about!
    I'll get out of the samoban for a while.

    Shortly before this decision was made, in 1987, in Israel, under pressure from the United States, the development of the 4th generation light fighter IAI Lavi was stopped.
    The design of this aircraft began in the second half of 1982, and the first flight of the prototype took place in December 1986. The work went at a high pace, the start of deliveries of the first serial copies was scheduled for 1990. However, the Americans, fearing that the Lavi would compete with the F-16, blocked financial support for this program.


    The history of Lavi/J10 is very interesting:
    "The idea of ​​developing their own aircraft from scratch had been in the air at IAI since the early 70s, and gained momentum after the Yom Kippur War of '73. After success in the production of Nesher aircraft, the development and production of Kfir aircraft, the engineers of the corporation and their superiors, in the best traditions of chutzpah israelit [4], decided that they could design and build the world's best fighter for the Israeli Air Force.

    Back in 1974, IAI engineers, in collaboration with the Air Force Headquarters and representatives of the Israeli Ministry of Defense [5], began to work out options and possible configurations for the project. These options were based on the wishes and primary specifications of the Israeli Air Force, and it is absolutely not surprising that it was a mixture of what the Mirages and Phantoms were able to do well, only with magnifying factors.

    The project was named "Arye", which means "Lion" in Hebrew. It was logical, because “Kfir” is a “young lion”, and it was the first, “youthful” project, and the “Aryeh” project was already “adult”, so it had a proper name ...

    The new aircraft was supposed to be fast (2,4 times faster than the speed of sound), high-altitude (altitude ceiling of 75 feet, i.e. about 000 km), with a combat radius of 23 kilometers, single-seat, twin-engine (to increase survival ), to have a radar with the ability to see low-flying targets against the ground from afar, armed with long-range radar-guided missiles and heat-seeking missiles, of course, have a pair of 500-mm cannons and a full-fledged ability to attack ground targets. Another aircraft was supposed to have a computerized navigation and aiming system, as well as on-board electronic warfare systems.

    All this made the aircraft large - similar in size to the Phantom - and expensive.
    ...
    After the Yom Kippur War, the Israeli Air Force could not wait that long to get new aircraft with which it could maintain its dominance in the skies over the country. And the command staff of the Air Force, and especially the legendary commander of the Israeli Air Force, General Beni Peled [6], did not have much faith in the abilities of the local military-industrial complex of that time. In addition, the Americans indicated that they would be ready to sell Israel the latest F-15 aircraft with the necessary advanced weapons, and the root cause of the development of the Arye aircraft disappeared.

    In fact, from the mid-70s to almost the present day, with respect to the advanced technologies that the United States sells to Israel, the following situation has developed - usually the Americans are in no hurry to provide Israel with the most advanced technologies - "stealth", high-precision "smart" bombs, missiles "air-to-air", ballistic missiles, etc., but as soon as the Israelis prove that they have already developed analogues or can do it themselves, then export restrictions on the supply of advanced weapons systems to Israel are immediately lifted. As part of US military assistance to Israel, an annual budget is allocated, which, according to its basic conditions, is subject to implementation only in the United States - any exceptions only with special permissions at the level of the leadership of the Pentagon and the State Department. Various corporations of the American military-industrial complex fight for this budget every year, realizing that the execution of orders for the Defense Army and the Israeli Air Force, with their specific requirements, is beneficial both economically and in terms of access to advanced technologies and products that are developed within the framework of these orders. For these corporations, working with the Israelis to develop new weapons systems costs a lot, and brings even more ... Therefore, the US military-industrial complex lobby periodically puts pressure on the Pentagon and the State Department so that they do not overdo it in limiting technologies for Israel.

    One way or another, but in 1975 the decision of the Israeli Air Force was to buy F-15 aircraft and take a closer look at the winner of the competition between the F-16 and F-17, and the Arya "flew like plywood", only not over Paris, but over Tel Aviv…

    However, the dream of a new aircraft of our own design does not die, but is reborn ... The big plane did not work out, let's try a small one ... And by the end of the 70s, the Arye was losing weight, primarily in requirements and specifications ... Now it is not a heavy interceptor, but a light one strike fighter, similar in size to the Skyhawk, very maneuverable and fast, supersonic. The combat weight[7] of the new aircraft, called "Lavi"[8], was supposed to be about seven and a half tons, have an onboard 30-mm cannon and carry two air-to-air missiles into battle
    ."
    https://berkovich-zametki.com/2016/Zametki/Nomer8_9/Mostov1.php#_ftnref8
  5. +5
    30 November 2022 09: 21
    "However, life made its own adjustments, and in 81 and 82, the Air Force's requirements for the aircraft changed - now Lavi was required to play the role of not only a maneuverable fighter, but also an attack aircraft capable of carrying 8 bombs weighing 360 kg, two missiles" air-to-air "and fuel for high-speed penetration through air defense curtains in the radius of combat. Also, the aircraft must have built-in electronic warfare systems to survive in the modern threat environment. These requirements, of course, increased the planned weight of the aircraft, which was already in development by engineers ... They also doubled the price of the project - the development cost estimate jumped to $ 1,5 billion, and the price per aircraft to $ 15,5 million on the developments of the Arye project, which made it possible to bring the development to hardware relatively quickly. and its predecessors - "Nesher" and "Kfir" was tailless. However, despite his pedigree, he did not have a wing in the shape of a regular triangle - the wing of "Lavi" had a smaller bevel angle of the leading edge of the wing than the Mirage family, but more than the F-16, its archrival. Like the F-16, the wingtips were used to carry air-to-air missiles and the leading edges were movable and used to automatically change the wing profile in flight. The trailing edges of the wing with movable control surfaces were slightly beveled back, giving the aircraft a predatory swept profile. Like the Kfir, the Lavi had a front pair of canard wings, but, unlike the Kfir wings, they were movable and used as rudders, and not only in pitch. All control surfaces were controlled by IAI's independently developed Fly-by-wire electronic system, which, coupled with the planned unstable balance of the aircraft (similar to the F-16), was supposed to give the Lavi excellent maneuverability and controllability. Due to the aerodynamic configuration, the use of all moving surfaces of the aircraft to maximize lift and for control, the landing speed of the aircraft was significantly lower than that of the Mirage and its descendants, which made it possible to abandon the built-in drag parachute on the aircraft. The calculations also showed a reduced takeoff roll, which was good news...
    ...
    The first and main one that hung like a thundercloud over the Lavi development project from the very beginning was the problem of the budget for aircraft purchases after the Lavi took off and was ready for military service. An indispensable and inexorable condition of American military financial assistance to Israel was the use of the allocated budget for the purchase of products manufactured by American companies in America. The Lavi aircraft production line in Israel and its products did not fit these definitions. Attempts to change the basic conditions of US military financial assistance were unsuccessful, although, in the end, some "discounts" were obtained in determining whether American products can contain "non-American" components (especially Israeli ones) and to what extent from the cost products. The prospect of allocating billions of dollars from the country's budget for the purchase of 100 or more "Lavi" - in addition to the cost of its development, which was already estimated at hundreds and hundreds of millions of dollars and paid by Israeli taxpayers - for Israel in the first half of the 80s was tantamount to a financial nightmare, which will kill for years the development of the country's economy.
    ...
    Another threat to the Lavi was the question of its future position in the hierarchy of Israeli Air Force combat aircraft. Initially, Lavi was supposed to be a replacement for Skyhawk - small and nimble, smart and biting, but simple and cheap. After the Lebanese war of 82, the requirements for it were practically equal to what the F-16А could and could do, but this had to be done with a smaller engine and richer avionics. At the same time, the F-16 was also developing, and the Israeli Air Force was already in the process of ordering its new models - the single-seat F-16C and the two-seat F-16D - with a new, more powerful engine and the latest avionics. “Lavi” could no longer compete with these aircraft ... It turned out that “Lavi” at best would be “F-16 minus”, only more expensive compared to F-16 ... To the question of senior Air Force officers, “so why do we need this?” there was no intelligible answer ... And then the Americans (skillfully and timely manipulating carrots in their best traditions) were ready to sell a couple more dozen F-15s, allowing them to bring their number in the Israeli Air Force to two full-fledged squadrons. With the prospect that the Israeli Air Force in the near future will have two F-15 squadrons and six F-16 squadrons, and even five Phantom squadrons (out of a total of 18 regular combat squadrons that participated in the Lebanon War), how many aircraft " Lavi will need the Air Force? Yes, all this with the planned long-term cuts in the budget of the Ministry of Defense and the resulting decrease in the number of flying combat aircraft and the “dry conservation” of the Kfirs and Skyhawks quite suitable for flights ... It is clear that the number of Lavi supporters in the highest command staff The Israeli Air Force decreased, and the critics of the project itself increased ...
    ...
    After 7 years and with more than one and a half billion dollars spent on the development of the Lavi aircraft, despite a dozen successful test flights, it was decided to abandon it in favor of purchasing F-15 and F-16 aircraft at the expense of US military financial assistance, and own funds not associated with the Americans (and not subject to their control), released from the Lavi project, to be directed to other projects that have a higher priority than competition with the American aircraft industry.

    Warmed up by the many years of PR of the IAI concern, the Israeli society was in shock."
    1. +4
      30 November 2022 10: 03
      Hello!
      Quote: Wildcat
      I'll get out of the samoban for a while.

      "Samoban" is a thankless task! No. Who will resist the "luculas"? Although it was this character that seemed to be banned for systematic rudeness and inciting national hatred.
      Quote: Wildcat
      after 7 years and with more than one and a half billion dollars spent on the development of the Lavi aircraft, despite a dozen successful test flights, it was decided to abandon it in favor of purchasing F-15 and F-16 aircraft at the expense of US military financial assistance .. ..
      Warmed up by the many years of PR of the IAI concern, the Israeli society was in shock."

      Central Soviet television showed the protests that were then going on in Israel about this.
      1. +3
        30 November 2022 19: 30
        hi
        Hello!
        Very time consuming and bad emotions belay manages communication with all sorts of "luculas".
        Yes, and the content of the articles on VO forces you not to read them anymore, but to look at the articles / comments of 7-8 forum participants, and already based on the positions of the most persistent (like you hi ) to read something. Otherwise, you can even find out about "over-relief platforms" next to your articles in the "weapons" section (it's better not to open the rest of the sections), as well as find out how bad the TOU on the Humvee is (I confess, I read it).
        Well, four warnings from the site administration, after all, hint request ...

        Central Soviet television showed the protests that were then going on in Israel about this.
        "Israeli military" and the Israeli military-industrial complex ("a quarter of our former people") is an interesting topic, of course.
        For example, Isaak Mostov, whom I often quote (he, after all, knows (he stopped flying in the 90s) how to tear apart layered air defense), he generally returned to the Russian Federation, you can walk from his office to the Ministry of Defense on foot. Here's who to ask:uncle, can you tell me how to use the Air Force correctly?" soldier
  6. +1
    30 November 2022 21: 09
    Quote: Wildcat
    and also find out how bad the TOU is on the Humvee (I confess, I read it).

    And how bad off-road HMMWV soldier
  7. -5
    1 December 2022 11: 12
    I read the material and realized that there was practically no military-technical cooperation between China and the West in aviation. Everything western they have is either trophy, or only fairy tales from dubious sources that the Chinese "copied" and the like.
  8. 0
    1 December 2022 17: 59
    Spa-si-bo that everything is so sub-rob-but explain-is-no-whether :-)
  9. +2
    1 December 2022 19: 41
    I want to praise the Western "partners" who transferred obsolete technologies, or "dead end". As for the Chinese themselves, they are rapidly progressing not only in military aviation.
  10. +3
    9 January 2023 18: 51
    If the Chinese stopped using the Il76-based avax, then the antenna does not work as we would like. Otherwise, why would such an expensive project be closed?
    On the other hand, the Chinese now have their own carrier and it is quite possible that somewhere in the desert and / or in a closed bunker, a new generation avax is already being tested with might and main.
    By the way, about the Russian project A100 for 5-6 years they stopped remembering at all ...
    1. +1
      10 January 2023 06: 03
      Quote: AC130 Ganship
      If the Chinese stopped using the Il76-based avax, then the antenna does not work as we would like. Otherwise, why would such an expensive project be closed?
      On the other hand, the Chinese now have their own carrier and it is quite possible that somewhere in the desert and / or in a closed bunker, a new generation avax is already being tested with might and main.
      By the way, about the Russian project A100 for 5-6 years they stopped remembering at all ...

      A bit wrong. No.
      The PLA Air Force KJ-2000 AWACS was abandoned, of course, not because of the antenna. No. In China, a number of AWACS aircraft with similar AFARs are being produced and built. The Chinese, in the presence of a significant number of aircraft of a similar purpose of their own production, decided not to invest in the modernization of the aging complex. In addition, the fuel efficiency of the Il-76 leaves much to be desired, and China has its own AWACS platforms.