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Chinese experts: Russian-Ukrainian conflict can be broken only at the negotiating table

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Chinese experts: Russian-Ukrainian conflict can be broken only at the negotiating table

Last Wednesday, the UN Security Council convened an emergency meeting on Ukraine, at which Chinese Ambassador Geng Shuang said that the international community should work together to support all efforts to peacefully resolve the crisis in Ukraine.


The UN meeting has become, to some extent, another battleground as Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky has called on the UN via video link to take action to stop Russian airstrikes. US Ambassador to the UN Linda Thomas-Greenfield accused Russia of a “winter escalation,” and Russian diplomat Vasily Nebenzya told a UN meeting that Zelensky and his allies’ statements cannot be interpreted as “readiness for peace, but rather the language of reckless threats and ultimatums.”

Against this backdrop, the Biden administration announced an additional $400 million in military aid to Ukraine. Among the supplied weapons 150 heavy machine guns with special thermal imaging sights that help shoot down attack drones, as well as ammunition for the air defense system and HIMARS missile systems. This is reported by the American media with reference to representatives of the Pentagon.

Song, a Chinese military expert, said that currently the military equipment that the US and some Western countries send to Ukraine is mainly light and medium weapons, with armored personnel carriers, M142 HIMARS and M777 howitzers being the heaviest.

Fighting is likely to intensify if the US and NATO send additional forces of mercenaries equipped with heavy weaponry to support Ukraine - this will be the focus of future clashes

Song said.

By fueling the Russian-Ukrainian conflict, the United States is fulfilling its objectives by supplying energy to the EU, realizing its goal of containing Russia and strengthening the transatlantic partnership. Qu Heng, a research fellow at the Center for Russian Studies at East China Normal University, told the Global Times.

Europe's losses are no less than those of Russia, as Europe continues to suffer from high inflation and pays a huge price for its energy security.

Qu Heng said.

Frankly speaking, China takes a clear wait-and-see attitude in this conflict. At the same time, Beijing is well aware that if the United States achieves its goal through Ukraine, then it will retain its hegemony and move on, let’s say, to the development of the next goal, which is China.
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  1. tralflot1832
    tralflot1832 25 November 2022 18: 26
    +5
    Something new with the Americans - escalations are divided by seasons. So which is the worst? I will answer for her: When the escalation directly affects the United States.
    1. Godzila
      Godzila 25 November 2022 18: 36
      +7
      Quote: tralflot1832
      I will answer for her: When the escalation directly affects the United States.

      Everything is exactly like that .. While the war is going on, to the last Ukrainian and the EU is already sawing firewood. And the USA is only getting richer by pumping everything from Europe!
      Let's see, the global crisis is gaining momentum And someone has to pay for all this! The question is who and how?
    2. Real Pilot
      Real Pilot 25 November 2022 18: 51
      +5
      And the Chinese dance a ritual dance with negotiations. The whole situation is quite clear to them, their refusal to condemn Russia was previously voiced. And neutrality is obvious.

      And at the same time, this sends signals to Taiwan to start negotiations BEFORE the inevitable special operation. Including with the message that you still have to negotiate or give up. It's just a matter of cost and collateral damage...
      1. Chem1st
        Chem1st 25 November 2022 20: 03
        +6
        The Chinese are very wise people... They are waiting for the States to get bogged down in this Ukrainian problem... With all their might, the States will never be able to equally intensively support both Ukraine and Taiwan with money and weapons at the same time. And when the States fail to supply Taiwan, China will very quickly, with a minimum expenditure of material military-technical resources, take over it. And it turns out that China is all around in the black - it didn’t spend much, turned everything around quickly, which means with minimal losses, cleaned up half of the world’s chip production and can dictate prices. And most importantly, a military victory over the US satellite, which will raise China's prestige not only in Southeast Asia, but throughout the world. And Russia will continue to hang around, humanizing with rabid xoxls, losing in the economy, reputation, internal stability ...
        1. Greg Miller
          Greg Miller 25 November 2022 22: 49
          +5
          The Chinese are pragmatic and strictly follow their own interests. And their main interest is that Russia remains the same as it is now, a weak and degrading raw material appendage of their rapidly developing economy. In no case do they want to allow the revival of the USSR, but the collapse of Russia into separate regions, as the West wants, is also not acceptable to China. It seems to me that everyone understands that in the current situation, no peaceful negotiations will resolve the conflict, but can only freeze it. The Russian-Ukrainian conflict can only end in one way - the liquidation of the state entity of one of the parties. At the end of February, I would have written "the state formation of Ukraine", but now, after all these "gestures of goodwill" in Istanbul, "regroupings" near Kharkov, grain deals and "difficult decisions" in Kherson, our victory in this war is no longer for me seems inevitable. The comprador elite ruling in Russia today has given the West a clear and unambiguous signal that it is ready to negotiate a truce with it on the terms of recognizing Russia's defeat. Any peace talks, provided that the statehood of Ukraine is preserved, is a clear defeat for Russia. Decision makers at the top should remember that war is not the Olympics at all, and the main thing in it is Victory, and not just participation, under a neutral flag at the next Olympic Games !!! Okay, let's not guess, but we'll chew - we'll see ...
      2. cash
        cash 25 November 2022 22: 24
        +2
        there is no smell of neutrality here, the Chinese are agreeing with the Americans on the redistribution of the world, they are already slowly crushing Central Asia for themselves, "allied" Kazakhstan is already under them, our vote is minority there
        china is not an ally to us, but a fellow traveler and nothing more, the main thing is that our "elites" do not change the awl (west) for soap (china), but work for Russia
    3. Eroma
      Eroma 25 November 2022 18: 57
      +4
      "Winter escalation" is a marketing ploy! A new term as a new reason for the promotion of informational noise! hi
      Yankee thoughtful radishes!
      1. tralflot1832
        tralflot1832 25 November 2022 19: 14
        0
        Winter escalation can be Christmas and our beloved New Year. hi The bad ones are PR people.
  2. opuonmed
    opuonmed 25 November 2022 18: 41
    -3
    destroy the entire top of Ukraine and the elite! otherwise it will be one big mistake if this is not done!!!!!!!! in Ukraine there are sensible people who can manage the people and not these types of clowns like Zele and others who were set to destroy the Slavs by Western curators! and current negotiations will delay the inevitable war and the strengthening of Nazism in Ukraine and Russophobia! this is my personal opinion! so there is nothing to fix with negotiations!!!!!! Well, if the current Ukraine goes to the conditions of the Russian Federation that the Russian Federation gave at the very beginning of its own! maybe not right in everything!
    1. Sobol
      Sobol 25 November 2022 20: 07
      +2
      Quote: opuonmed
      destroy the entire top of Ukraine and the elite! otherwise it will be one big mistake if this is not done!!!!!!!! in Ukraine there are sensible people who can manage the people and not these types of clowns like Zele and others who were set to destroy the Slavs by Western curators! and current negotiations will delay the inevitable war and the strengthening of Nazism in Ukraine and Russophobia! this is my personal opinion! so there is nothing to fix with negotiations!!!!!! Well, if the current Ukraine goes to the conditions of the Russian Federation that the Russian Federation gave at the very beginning of its own! maybe not right in everything!

  3. silberwolf88
    silberwolf88 25 November 2022 18: 45
    +1
    the thesis is very controversial ... what kind of negotiations ... with whom ??? only the complete capitulation of the Nazi regime, followed by the denazification of the population and a tribunal for war criminals with a special decision to introduce the death penalty (better by hanging, of course) by creating new government bodies for the transitional period ... and most likely excluding the state of Ukraine forever ... an unsuccessful Austrian project it's time to complete the General Staff
    1. Cap.nemo58rus
      Cap.nemo58rus 25 November 2022 19: 19
      +1
      I agree with you. The way out of the impasse is negotiations? And negotiations are impossible, because there is no one with whom (well, not with the Nazis) and, by and large, there is nothing. As it is called correctly, I do not know. Maybe Pat? Will not go! We need a checkmate!
      1. Idunavs
        Idunavs 25 November 2022 19: 46
        +3
        Chinese experts: The Russian-Ukrainian conflict can be brought out of the impasse only with a barrel in the negotiations. Here is a more accurate phrase!
        1. Cap.nemo58rus
          Cap.nemo58rus 26 November 2022 14: 06
          +1
          Yep, with a stem. The barrel is not less than one hundred and fifty-two mm. laughing
  4. Vladimir Dmitrievich Burtsev
    Vladimir Dmitrievich Burtsev 25 November 2022 18: 46
    0
    Russia together with the PRC stand for peace with Ukraine and the Ukrainian people. But Russia is against the Bandera fascists who staged the genocide of the civilian population in Ukraine and against the citizens of Russia. They don’t allow peace to be achieved in Ukraine: Bandera, led by a war criminal, Zelensky, who organized the genocide of the civilian population in the Donbass, Zaporozhye, Kherson region and throughout Ukraine, crimes against humanity in Ukraine are actively aided by international terrorists and their assistants with military supplies and finances: Biden, the leadership of the EU and NATO countries, on whose conscience thousands of victims of civilians in Syria, Afghanistan, Iraq, Iran and dozens of other countries around the world! The UN Secretary General Guterres, who fabricates all sorts of slanderous libels against Russia at the suggestion of the Nazis from Ukraine, is also actively helping the Bandera people. Peace must be fought for, including with the use of force. First of all, an objective assessment of what is happening in Ukraine is needed. For an objective assessment, a commission is needed. Why was the SCO established? In addition to the most diverse goals, the SCO is responsible for ensuring the international security of the SCO member countries. That is why the SCO members need to collectively discuss all problems and creatively and thoughtfully approach the appeasement of international fascist extremists in Ukraine.
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 25 November 2022 18: 59
      +1
      Quote: Vladimir Dmitrievich Burtsev
      Russia together with the PRC stand for peace with Ukraine and the Ukrainian people.

      At the moment, Ukraine is a Nazi junta and the people support it. And it’s not the Bandera people who shoot the captured soldiers, and it’s not the Bandera people who crush the wounded with tanks, but ordinary soldiers of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. What world are you talking about and with whom.
    2. PROVINCIAL
      PROVINCIAL 25 November 2022 20: 06
      +3
      "creatively and thoughtfully approach the appeasement of international fascist extremists" - thanks, made me laugh. I have never seen such an ornate and veiled message to send (sorry for the tautology) an international security structure. Burtsev, you are wrong.
  5. yuriy55
    yuriy55 25 November 2022 18: 49
    +7
    I'm starting to freak out with these "partners" !!!
    Why don't you solve Taiwan's problems at the table? Or you cannot negotiate with India while standing at the border post!
    Have you decided that you hold the world by the udder? Yes, against the United States (alone) the price is a penny for you ... Not only are you cowards, you are also cunning cowards. All striving to sit on the banks of the river ...
    Waiting for how and in whose favor the disassembly will end ...
    You would advise less and help more ... Although, who can help you? Today, the Russian oligarchs and the Russian government are serving everything on a platter to those who even raise their hand for them in the vote...
    And why are you better than the same Kazakhstan? Or some other India?
    Frankly, I do not believe in the Chinese smirk, although I am amazed at the persistence with which China is fighting for its place in the world. Our slobbers need to learn, otherwise they think they are kings, but in fact they walk in torn shorts, exchanging a marine dagger for a collection of watches.
  6. tihonmarine
    tihonmarine 25 November 2022 18: 56
    0
    China's Geng Shuang said the international community should work together to support all efforts to peacefully resolve the crisis in Ukraine.
    What kind of peace, what kind of negotiations and what are the negotiations about. Any negotiations will result in conservation. Nazi regime in Ukraine, and this will become for the whole of Europe for the next decades a "powder keg with a smoldering fuse.
  7. dementor873
    dementor873 25 November 2022 18: 57
    +1
    We have already been rotten from all sides, since 2014, and we are in negotiations? Well, no, cut the last cucumber.
  8. Bingo
    Bingo 25 November 2022 18: 59
    -1
    Firstly, orderlies do not negotiate with psychos, due to the inability of the latter to meaningful speech. What language would you like to speak to them? In cat language?

    To understand, the comments of "native speakers":
    1. solar
      solar 26 November 2022 02: 10
      0
      To understand, the comments of "native speakers":

      These are comments by native speakers of the Russian language, it is not clear what.
      Judging by the above passage, the comments are not at all native speakers of the Ukrainian language - they are in Russian. The meaning of the comments is completely incomprehensible. The above first post is written in Ukrainian.
  9. Ryaruav
    Ryaruav 25 November 2022 19: 05
    +3
    the Chinese dragon really wants to watch from the shore as a group of corpses floats past, including Russia
  10. newtc7
    newtc7 25 November 2022 19: 05
    +1
    Negotiations only if the signing of the surrender of Ukraine and the holding of a criminal tribunal for its leadership. No other way
  11. runway-1
    runway-1 25 November 2022 19: 36
    +1
    Frankly speaking, China takes a clear wait-and-see attitude in this conflict.
    Right.
    At the same time, Beijing is well aware that if the United States achieves its goal through Ukraine, then it will retain its hegemony and move on, let’s say, to the development of the next goal, which is China.
    And what prevented the US-NATO from "mastering" China without affecting Ukraine, if without speculation?
    1. haron
      haron 25 November 2022 20: 06
      +1
      Quote: WFP-1
      And what prevented the US-NATO from "mastering" China without affecting Ukraine, if without speculation?

      If without speculation, then point by point:
      - transfer of low-tech production from the USA and then EU to Chinese.
      - underestimation of the cohesion of the nation and the influence of the Chin state on the emigrants of the Chinese around the world. The result is a technology leak.
      - the position of the Russian Federation. "Maybe the Chinese will help us someday, if we're just pulling the maza for him with a loaf" (well, that is, we scare everyone that if someone goes to China, we'll give a lot).
      - Quiet but tight integration of China into Africa and its "mines" (under the protection of whom gentlemen ??? The question is not simple)))
      Well, with three more mene answers for more serious.
      1. runway-1
        runway-1 25 November 2022 20: 32
        +1
        Well, if it's more serious, then why exactly after Ukraine will be mastered by China, will he stand still and wait to be "mastered"? Will something fundamentally change?
        1. haron
          haron 25 November 2022 20: 50
          +2
          Quote: WFP-1
          Well, if it’s more serious, then why China will be mastered after Ukraine,

          I did not write that after Ukraine they will master China. I wrote why this has not been done before, and most likely will never be done.
          We are waiting for a slow but confident multipolar globalization, with an as yet unknown number of poles.
          That's all I wanted to say.
        2. Nickelium
          Nickelium 26 November 2022 05: 15
          +1
          Perhaps the position of Russia in relation to China. And this is the key moment of the mosaic. If it is possible to block China from Russia, then it will be an amba. Therefore, I do not understand the current stupidity of the Chinese. They somehow quickly mimicked our rulers with their conciliation.
  12. rocket757
    rocket757 25 November 2022 19: 36
    +2
    Chinese experts: Russian-Ukrainian conflict can be broken only at the negotiating table
    . There is nothing and no one to talk to, to negotiate ...
    1. Reptiloid
      Reptiloid 26 November 2022 11: 48
      +1
      Greetings Victor! hi that's it!
      Quote: rocket757
      ....... There is nothing and no one to talk about, negotiate ...

      The Chinese, of course, would be quicker for their trade chains ..... or simply, they say, to show peacefulness. And we want negotiations as soon as possible liberals. To give everything away, weaken the Russian Federation and return their power
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 26 November 2022 12: 18
        +1
        Hi soldier
        The wise old monkey really does not want to get off his palm tree ... he was very comfortable there.
        But, the key word, now, WAS!
  13. withoutreverse
    withoutreverse 25 November 2022 21: 54
    +9
    so it will be .. only later. not today.
  14. Fangaro
    Fangaro 25 November 2022 22: 36
    -1
    Can thermal sights be neutralized by shooting light charges with a high combustion temperature?
    1. solar
      solar 26 November 2022 02: 13
      0
      unlikely. Even the GOS Javelin is not deceived by IR traps. And there the matrix is ​​quite primitive by the standards of sights.
  15. Fangaro
    Fangaro 25 November 2022 23: 19
    -2
    Negotiation...
    A bad peace is better than a good war...
    If one side of the conflict says that negotiations can be started by giving them whatever they want, this is not a negotiation, but an ultimatum.
    And at what table should these "negotiations be held?"
    At the launch pad, if only.
  16. Fangaro
    Fangaro 25 November 2022 23: 30
    -1
    The United States is not at all interested in how Ukrainians, Western Europeans, Eastern Europeans, Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia, Moldova will experience this winter. They are not interested in Russians at all.
    In the USA, except for Alaska, it is warm, light and flies do not bite. And representatives of Congress and the Senate have nothing to worry about.
    And what is happening in Eurasia, Central and South America, Africa... "Ten dollars is Ten dollars!"
    1. Nickelium
      Nickelium 26 November 2022 05: 16
      0
      I wouldn't say it's warm in Minnesota.
  17. iouris
    iouris 26 November 2022 00: 39
    +1
    "Chinese experts," whom negotiations with whom?
    Where did you see the "dead end"? This is war. The war ends with the defeat of one of the parties. By the way, China may very well get defeated.
  18. speed4fun
    speed4fun 26 November 2022 01: 36
    +1
    The big problem in a multipolar world is that countries that oppose US policy cannot unite in a cohesive manner. Now we see China with its disgusting ambiguity... instead of explicitly supporting Russia, it hides its head... the Chinese economy depends on the US... so it's a country with its hands tied and unable to respond... a country in the hands of the US... and she doesn't even realize that she's next on the list of the US to be destroyed...tick...tick...tick...tick
    1. iouris
      iouris 26 November 2022 02: 07
      +2
      Quote from speed4fun
      Now we see China with its disgusting ambiguity... instead of explicit support for Russia, it hides its head...

      Are you passionate? In this world, it's every man for himself. In China, the population is 1,5 billion. In the Russian Federation, at most 140 million. For every "Russian" in the world, there are at least ten Chinese. In general, the Russian Federation is a demographic and economic dwarf (with such nuclear weapons).
      China is a civilization pretending to be a country. It is 10 thousand years old and almost all this time it was the first economy in the world. Therefore, the interests of its civilization to China is immeasurably more important than our (small) problems.
      And what somersaults has little Russia done over the past (not even a hundred), but thirty or forty years? Forgot? Remember. In the end, she herself is to blame for the fact that her shkilet can be exhibited in a historical museum. So by yourself!
      1. Nickelium
        Nickelium 26 November 2022 05: 19
        -1
        What 10 thousand? From strength - 2.5. I don’t understand where such phantasmagoric figures come from? The first human civilizations were in Mesopotamia, which is now the Middle East. China seems to be much further from this.
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      5. speed4fun
        speed4fun 27 November 2022 18: 08
        +1
        Watch! I'm from Spain... I'm not very proud of my country because it's a country that is being sold to the US empire. But! I ask you... are you Russian or maybe Chinese? You Russians have a huge country that you should be proud of... although you are small (150 million), you are big because the rest of the planet cares about what you do (we Spaniards are as important as shit) . You must understand that the US wants to control your country and would be happy to have another remote controlled president like "Gorbachev" or "Yeltsin". Sincerely, this is just my opinion.
    2. solar
      solar 26 November 2022 02: 15
      +1
      instead of explicit support for Russia, he hides his head
      Why does China need Russia's support? It is inextricably linked to the US and vice versa.
      1. Nickelium
        Nickelium 26 November 2022 05: 19
        -2
        Then he's next. You have to be a fool not to understand this.
        1. iouris
          iouris 26 November 2022 11: 25
          +1
          Quote: Nickelium
          You have to be a fool not to understand this.

          And if they have a plan for a hundred years? If they have a plan, then it is their own, Chinese. Do you have a plan for at least two years? In addition to a long-term plan to fight with Ukraine for ten years, I have not heard of anything like that. And what will happen in the world and with the Russian Federation in five years? Who knows who knows...
          But I understand that the Russian Federation is "inextricably linked" with Turkey (but not vice versa).
          1. Nickelium
            Nickelium 26 November 2022 14: 41
            0
            Well then they can wipe themselves off with their plan. For the States, there is only theirs, the American plan. And everyone else - in the furnace!
  19. Div Divich
    Div Divich 26 November 2022 02: 16
    +1
    It’s not clear to me how Bandera’s people can leave power or self-destruct at the negotiating table, this is unrealistic.
    Realistically, only the depletion of resources, first in certain areas, then as a whole in Ukraine.
    The whole question is whether Russia will squeeze the enemy or not. Russia has opportunities for this, it only needs to move forward step by step, towards the goal, without stopping.
    1. iouris
      iouris 26 November 2022 11: 27
      0
      Quote: Divy Divych
      how can Bandera leave power or self-destruct at the negotiating table

      Bandera's people cannot, but in Moscow such a trick has already been shown (in 1917 and in 1991). Is this a schematic?
  20. Chem1st
    Chem1st 26 November 2022 03: 20
    +1
    Quote: Greg Miller
    It seems to me that everyone understands that in the current situation, no peaceful negotiations will resolve the conflict, but can only freeze it.

    Anyway. Or we, or us. The deal won't work anymore. If the highest echelons of power in the Russian Federation do not understand this, hoping for the internationalization of business declared by the West (in their own interests, of course), they are finished. They tear and eat.
  21. Chem1st
    Chem1st 26 November 2022 03: 44
    +2
    Quote: haron
    slow but steady multipolar globalization, with an as yet unknown number of poles

    Gee. You might think that there can be many poles. Two, three - maximum. And everyone has long been known: the consolidated West - in any pole, was, is and will be; China and all of Southeast Asia, right now feverishly and in a big hurry, earning, so to speak, points in the world game; and questionable - Russia and Central Asia, which are feared, so to speak, out of inertia, although in vain. The Middle East is also in question, which cannot decide on a leader in any way, because the Sauds are orthodox, and Iran has a reputation as an extremist. If the latter manages to overcome internal contradictions on religious grounds, then it is the Middle East that will become the third pole of power in the future "multipolar" world. But whatever you want (at least throw your slippers on) - there is no place for Russia among the centers of power in the future. The Russian society has degraded too much, and the country is too small (a paradox!), sparsely populated, and technologically behind. If the Union were alive .... But why dream of an unrealizable ...
    1. Nickelium
      Nickelium 26 November 2022 05: 22
      -2
      That's just the place of Russia in the future is. Moreover, without Russia, there will be no multipolar world, and all these centers will be mercilessly devoured by the United States.
  22. igorra
    igorra 26 November 2022 05: 10
    0
    Apparently, only Russians and Russia have balls of steel and recklessness. They helped, saved, freed, without demanding anything in return, and often getting a knife in the back for good deeds. Won and China, which lives today as a full-fledged state thanks to the USSR, has taken a wait-and-see attitude. So who's making world history here, and who's going with the flow?
  23. buslaif
    buslaif 26 November 2022 05: 42
    0
    Napoleon said that “China is a sleeping lion. Don't wake him up, for whoever wakes him up will regret it." Today, China is no longer a sleeping lion, but a country capable of using force, and this cannot be ignored. The US monopoly came to an end in the 30st century. However, China cannot but realize that the successes of today's China began with our help in the 50s and XNUMXs. In China, this is also remembered. All that remains is for this gratitude to Russia to be embodied in concrete deeds and deeds.
  24. Pankrat25
    Pankrat25 26 November 2022 07: 47
    +1
    I do not agree with the author of the article, sooner or later, but the Ukrainians will run out, and the number of war criminals from PMCs of various stripes will also greatly decrease.