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Su-30SM2 fighter in serial production

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Su-30SM2 fighter in serial production
One of the Su-30SM2 of the second batch



Despite the difficulties, the Russian aviation industry continues to fulfill orders from the Ministry of Defense for the construction and supply of various equipment. The other day, another batch of new-build Su-30SM2 multifunctional fighters was handed over to the armed forces. They are made according to a modernized design and have a number of important advantages over their predecessors.

New party


On November 21, the press service of the United Aircraft Corporation announced the transfer of a new batch of aircraft to the customer. The signing ceremony took place at the Irkutsk Aviation Plant, which is part of the UAC. It was attended by industry leaders and representatives of the military department. The Ministry of Defense received several Su-30SM2 fighters and Yak-130 training aircraft.

The exact number of cars of the two types is not specified. In addition, there are no tactical numbers in the published photographs of the equipment. At the same time, the characteristic coloring and identification marks indicate that the new fighters will go to serve in naval aviation.

During the equipment transfer ceremony, Minister of Industry and Trade Denis Manturov said that industry and the Ministry of Defense continue to work together, and the Coordinating Council under the government controls the implementation of work. In addition, everything possible is being done to develop the technical base of aviation enterprises, to saturate them with domestic equipment and machine tools. The volume of production is also increasing.

Yury Slyusar, General Director of UAC, noted that the Su-30SM2 has already shown itself to be efficient and reliable vehicles that meet the needs of the Ministry of Defense. According to him, another batch of such fighters is currently at the production stage. It is planned to transfer it to the customer before the end of this year.

During production


In August of the year before last, within the framework of the Army-2020 military-technical forum, the Ministry of Defense and UAC signed a number of major contracts for the production and supply of one or another aircraft, incl. combat aircraft. One of these documents provided for the construction of Su-30SM2 fighters. As the domestic press soon reported, 21 such aircraft were ordered to upgrade the Navy's aviation fleet.


The Irkutsk aircraft plant from the UAC immediately set about fulfilling such an order, and soon the first results appeared. So, already in February 2021, the first aircraft of the new modification took to the air for the first time. In the future, the following machines came out for testing.

In January 2022, during the Single Day of Acceptance of Military Products, it was announced that in 2021 the plant had built, tested and handed over to the Ministry of Defense the first batch of new order fighters. The number of aircraft was not specified. According to various estimates, this batch included from two to four cars.

The new aircraft were received by the Naval Aviation of the Navy. They were transferred to one of the assault aviation regiments, at that time equipped with Su-24M front-line bombers. According to press reports, the equipment was received by the Baltic Fleet. The Ministry of Defense reported that the transfer of the regiment to the new Su-30SM2 will increase its combat potential by one and a half times.

Now the customer has accepted the second batch of several fighters. They will again be transferred to one of the naval aviation regiments, although the specific recipient remains unknown. At the same time, it is clear that such a delivery will positively affect the state and capabilities of the receiving part.

The industry announces the imminent delivery of the next batch of aircraft. Apparently, their construction has already been completed or is nearing completion. Until the end of the year, the equipment will pass the necessary tests and will be prepared for sending to the troops.

Thus, "UAC" continues to fulfill an order for two dozen Su-30SM2 for naval aviation and shows good results. Less than a year and a half passed from the receipt of the contract to the transfer of the first batch of equipment, and the next two are transferred within a year after it. This shows that the production of updated fighters has reached the required pace, despite all the existing difficulties.


Modern modification


The Su-30SM2 is the newest version of the upgrade of the original multifunctional fighter. This project provides for the preservation of the airframe and a number of general aircraft systems while replacing some of the key components. New components and assemblies were borrowed from the Su-35S fighter, which made it possible not only to improve performance, but also to ensure unification.

Su-30 fighters of previous modifications were equipped with AL-31F/FP turbojet engines. The new SM2 version uses the AL-41F1S engine taken from the Su-35S. It has more traction and has other advantages. At the same time, thrust vector control is retained, giving super-maneuverability.

The avionics complex has undergone a major upgrade. The radar station was replaced, some units and instruments taken from the Su-35S were installed. Due to this, it was possible to increase the range and accuracy of detection and recognition of air targets, which has a positive effect on combat capabilities in general.

It is reported about the expansion of the range of ammunition. The upgraded fighter can carry new models of high-precision weapons to combat air, ground or surface targets. The range of weapons has been increased to hundreds of kilometers. At the same time, the exact list of compatible weapons introduced as part of the latest modernization has not yet been disclosed.

As a result, the Su-30SM2 can carry and use a wide range of weapons. To combat air targets, several types of air-to-air missiles with different characteristics are provided. For ground / surface targets, it is proposed to use free-fall bombs and unguided rockets, as well as high-precision systems of various types. Combat load - 8 tons.

Aircraft in service


The Su-30 multifunctional fighter of the first version was adopted by the Russian Air Force about 30 years ago. In the same period, industry, despite all the difficulties, mastered the mass production of such machines. Subsequently, a large number of modifications of this aircraft were developed, both for the Russian armed forces and for foreign customers.


Fighter from the first batch transferred to the Navy in 2021

Currently, the Su-30 is one of the main fighters of the Russian aerospace forces and naval aviation. In total, there are more than 130-135 such machines in service. Moreover, they all belong to modern modifications. In particular, the most massive is the Su-30SM, which has been mass-produced since the beginning of the last decade.

Now the newer Su-30SM2 has gone into production. In fact, it is an updated Su-30 platform with electronics and a power plant of a newer and more advanced Su-35S. Such an aircraft combines the best qualities of the two existing types, both technical and operational or economic.

With the help of the new Su-30SM2, the Navy aviation fleet is being updated. Such fighters are delivered to units and gradually replace older types of equipment. available fleet there are already more than two dozen Su-30s of previous modifications, and due to the current contract, the number of such equipment will double. Correspondingly, the average age of the fleet of naval aviation will be reduced, and its capabilities will also increase.

Serial production of the modern Su-30SM2 began not so long ago, but it is already showing some success. The first two batches of such equipment were handed over to the customer, and the third is expected in the coming weeks. The exact number of aircraft in the three batches is unknown, but it is clear that we are already talking about fulfilling a significant part of the current contract.

Thus, in the near future, the Irkutsk Aviation Plant and UAC will complete the implementation of the current contract, and the Navy's aviation will have the required number of modern fighters. The Ministry of Defense has not yet disclosed its future plans, but it can be expected that in the future the Su-30SM2 will remain in the series and continue to enter the troops.
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  1. Vladimir_2U
    Vladimir_2U 28 November 2022 05: 57
    +5
    Just in case, for some admirers of the radiant Valinor, let me remind you that the USA has resumed production of the F-16.
    1. Stas157
      Stas157 28 November 2022 07: 24
      +4
      Honestly, I do not understand your causticity.

      Quote: Vladimir_2U
      Let me remind you that the USA resumed production of the F-16.

      Instead of F 35 or a plus?

      If it's a plus, then it can't please. After all, the military potential of the West will only increase.
      1. Vladimir_2U
        Vladimir_2U 28 November 2022 08: 33
        +3
        Quote: Stas157
        Honestly, I do not understand your causticity.
        So that they don’t disperse that only Russia patched up junk (no) drives. hi
        Quote: Stas157
        If it's a plus, then it can't please. After all, the military potential of the West will only increase.

        Unfortunately, a plus with the F-35, but the Su30 is not instead of the Su-57, fortunately.
    2. FRoman1984
      FRoman1984 28 November 2022 08: 30
      +11
      Lockheed never stopped producing the F-16. He simply moved the production of the F-16 from Texas, where the assembly of the F-35 is now completely localized, to another site.
      As the F-16s were built for foreign customers, they will continue to be built, just in a different place.
      1. Vladimir_2U
        Vladimir_2U 28 November 2022 08: 35
        +4
        Quote: FRoman1984
        Lockheed never stopped producing the F-16. He simply moved the production of the F-16 from Texas, where the assembly of the F-35 is now completely localized, to another site.

        Five years of hiatus didn't quite "didn't stop". Although that's not the point.
  2. dauria
    dauria 28 November 2022 08: 07
    +14
    In total, there are more than 130-135 such machines in service.

    By the standards of the USSR, a year of operation of one plant. In 1984, the production rate of the MiG-31 was 17 pieces per month at the 21st plant in Gorky.
  3. FRoman1984
    FRoman1984 28 November 2022 08: 27
    -5
    Better than nothing and better than the Su-24.
    Briefly, this news can be described as follows.
    The cancer will hang on the mountain until the UAC finishes the Su-30SM to SM2. "Expansion of means of destruction" is an update of the software of the Bars-M radar. In fact, there is nothing in these aircraft from CM2. And all these next projections about the end of 2023, the implementation of the CM2 project is bullshit. Even before the war, this seemed unlikely, and even more so now.
    1. AvesevA
      AvesevA 28 November 2022 09: 21
      +1
      whiner. whiner. whiner. Tired of these
      1. Boa kaa
        Boa kaa 28 November 2022 12: 58
        +5
        Quote from Avesev
        whiner. whiner. whiner.

        You're not right! He's not a whiner. He is a liar! and a provocateur with an emphasis on undermining the opinions of site visitors. TsIPSO-shnik in direct manifestation. Don't believe? Here are the facts:
        - The SM2 radar is not Bars-M, but Irbis with PFAR.
        it is equipped with an Irbis radar with a passive phased antenna array. Previously, only the Su-35S was equipped with it. It is capable of detecting fighter-class targets at ranges up to 400 km, while simultaneously tracking up to 30 targets and aiming missiles at eight of them.
        Bars detected a fighter at a distance of 140-150 km and could provide automatic tracking and shelling of only 4 targets.
        - On the SM2, a new engine - AL-41F-1S - is more technologically advanced, economical, with an afterburner thrust of 15 tons, providing the SM2 with a combat radius of 1500 km (!) And pulling 8000 kg of combat load.
        - the aircraft carries a new OSNOD, which allows the machine to exchange information with the SU-35S and SU-57, S-70 and other UAVs, organize control of the UAV group, use weapons V-V, V-P, and GZO ...
        And so on... That's why you feel sick! This is a natural reaction of a normal person to a FALSE ...
        1. AvesevA
          AvesevA 28 November 2022 14: 34
          +5
          A lot of CIPSO-shnikov appeared on the site. Moderation needs to be cleaned up
          1. Bad_gr
            Bad_gr 28 November 2022 16: 42
            +5
            Quote: FRoman1984
            The cancer will hang on the mountain until the UAC finishes the Su-30SM to SM2. "Expansion of means of destruction" is an update of the software of the Bars-M radar. In fact, there is nothing in these aircraft from CM2. And all these next projections about the end of 2023, the implementation of the CM2 project is bullshit. Even before the war, this seemed unlikely, and even more so now.
            Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
            Here are the facts: - The SM2 radar is not Bars-M, but Irbis with PFAR.

            Alas, he is partly right. The Su-30SM2 of this batch does not have either a new engine or a locator from the Su-35:
            The source noted that at the moment, when upgrading the fighter to the level of the Su-30SM2, emphasis is placed on equipping it with additional aircraft weapons. The issue of installing AL-41F-1S engines on it and testing it starting from 2023 is being decided.
            "In the process of carrying out the SLI on the Su-30SM (D) and Su-30SM2 aircraft, it is planned to issue a preliminary conclusion, which will allow, by decision of the Russian Defense Ministry, in 2023 to supply Su-30SM2 aircraft with AL-41F-1S engines," he said. agency interlocutor.
            https://bmpd.livejournal.com/4462736.html (это не единственный источник информации, где об этом пишется)

            For a long time there was information that the AL-41F-1S engine (or its variant) would also be installed on the Su-34. But in the future, these plans were no longer mentioned.
            1. FRoman1984
              FRoman1984 29 November 2022 07: 10
              +1
              Quote: Bad_gr
              For a long time there was information that the AL-41F-1S engine (or its variant) would also be installed on the Su-34. But in the future, these plans were no longer mentioned.

              They will not put AL-41F-1S on the Su-34, they refused. The Sych program does not provide for a significant modernization of the S-34.
          2. FRoman1984
            FRoman1984 29 November 2022 07: 11
            +4
            Quote from Avesev
            A lot of CIPSO-shnikov appeared on the site. Moderation needs to be cleaned up

            And clowns too...
        2. FRoman1984
          FRoman1984 29 November 2022 06: 57
          +4
          Quote: BoA KAA
          Quote from Avesev
          whiner. whiner. whiner.

          You're not right! He's not a whiner. He is a liar! and a provocateur with an emphasis on undermining the opinions of site visitors. TsIPSO-shnik in direct manifestation. Don't believe? Here are the facts:
          - The SM2 radar is not Bars-M, but Irbis with PFAR.
          it is equipped with an Irbis radar with a passive phased antenna array. Previously, only the Su-35S was equipped with it. It is capable of detecting fighter-class targets at ranges up to 400 km, while simultaneously tracking up to 30 targets and aiming missiles at eight of them.
          Bars detected a fighter at a distance of 140-150 km and could provide automatic tracking and shelling of only 4 targets.
          - On the SM2, a new engine - AL-41F-1S - is more technologically advanced, economical, with an afterburner thrust of 15 tons, providing the SM2 with a combat radius of 1500 km (!) And pulling 8000 kg of combat load.
          - the aircraft carries a new OSNOD, which allows the machine to exchange information with the SU-35S and SU-57, S-70 and other UAVs, organize control of the UAV group, use weapons V-V, V-P, and GZO ...
          And so on... That's why you feel sick! This is a natural reaction of a normal person to a FALSE ...

          Everything that you described will be implemented in cars after 2023. If the graph does not move to the right, as usual. This has already been written about before.
          https://bmpd.livejournal.com/4462736.html
          You are the liar here. A projector, a jingoistic patriot, from whose idiocy everything and everywhere is bent.
          They cannot put the AL-41F-1S into the Su-30SM nacelles without modification, the sizes are different. Therefore, they write about 2023.
          Damn, how many cretins are here ...
          1. Boa kaa
            Boa kaa 29 November 2022 19: 37
            0
            Quote: FRoman1984
            They cannot put the AL-41F-1S into the Su-30SM nacelles without modification, the sizes are different.

            Of course, I'm not an expert, but nevertheless:
            Managing Director of PJSC "Kuznetsov" (part of the UEC) Sergey Pavlinich:
            ""The engine is already in the iron, on preliminary tests it showed the necessary parameters," Interfax-AVN quotes S. Pavlinich.
            and further: - The 117th retained the mass-dimensional parameters of the AL-31F with a slightly larger fan diameter. For comparison, if you believe the information from the Internet, then the F119-PW-100 weighs 1,7 tons and has a length of 5,16 m, which is 180 kg and 21 cm more than the 117th with a gain of 800 kgf thrust. So there is still room to grow.

            I believe that the 117th not only has a thrust of 15 tf, but a real full afterburner thrust of 15 tf, that is, without any "special" modes like on 117C. Its maximum thrust is probably also higher than that of the 117C. The latter had 8,8 tf, 117 I think somewhere in the region of 10,5-11 tf. This should be enough for supersonic cruising at a speed of Mach 1,5-1,6.
            Undoubtedly, the replacement and installation of a new dvigun will require certain improvements in fixing it in place. But at the expense of mass dimensions - obviously not critical!
            So, wipe your face CIPSO-shnik. Everything will work out for us. And which of us is a cretin, time will tell and our victory in NWO.
            1. FRoman1984
              FRoman1984 3 December 2022 07: 47
              0
              Quote: BoA KAA
              Quote: FRoman1984
              They cannot put the AL-41F-1S into the Su-30SM nacelles without modification, the sizes are different.

              Of course, I'm not an expert, but nevertheless:
              Managing Director of PJSC "Kuznetsov" (part of the UEC) Sergey Pavlinich:
              ""The engine is already in the iron, on preliminary tests it showed the necessary parameters," Interfax-AVN quotes S. Pavlinich.
              and further: - The 117th retained the mass-dimensional parameters of the AL-31F with a slightly larger fan diameter. For comparison, if you believe the information from the Internet, then the F119-PW-100 weighs 1,7 tons and has a length of 5,16 m, which is 180 kg and 21 cm more than the 117th with a gain of 800 kgf thrust. So there is still room to grow.

              I believe that the 117th not only has a thrust of 15 tf, but a real full afterburner thrust of 15 tf, that is, without any "special" modes like on 117C. Its maximum thrust is probably also higher than that of the 117C. The latter had 8,8 tf, 117 I think somewhere in the region of 10,5-11 tf. This should be enough for supersonic cruising at a speed of Mach 1,5-1,6.
              Undoubtedly, the replacement and installation of a new dvigun will require certain improvements in fixing it in place. But at the expense of mass dimensions - obviously not critical!
              So, wipe your face CIPSO-shnik. Everything will work out for us. And which of us is a cretin, time will tell and our victory in NWO.

              Alexander, namely 117S (aka AL-41F-1S) is installed on the Su-35S and will be installed on the Su-30SM2 in the future.
              The 117th engine (aka AL-41F-1) is installed on the Su-57.
              Based on open sources, they differ only in the control system.
              I have no doubts about the victory of Russia.
              Patriotic frenzy should not overshadow the clarity of thinking and a critical view of the information, even in this forum.
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  4. AvesevA
    AvesevA 28 November 2022 08: 38
    0
    Now in the comments they will not rejoice, but will only whine that little.
    "Here is America, how much fart-srenk is produced, and we are how little fart-srenk is."
    Sometimes it seems to me that there are only children in the comments who only want to whine and whine
    1. AvesevA
      AvesevA 28 November 2022 11: 37
      -2
      Q.E.D. The children were offended and threw minuses. It is strange that they did not respond to the comment, they love this. Whineers who cannot be happy and always whine and are unhappy
    2. Sergey Romanchenko
      Sergey Romanchenko 28 November 2022 13: 11
      +2
      And I have a feeling that people and TsIPSO are sometimes on duty here.
      From time to time I gave explanatory comments, and said that in some industries everything is not even bad in all of us. And then I went to the profile and there the overall status became -70 points.
      And I realized that the rank of the user and then the general background of the comments is formed on the negative selection.
      I explain.
      If the comment says that everything is bad, then this user usually gets more pluses.
      So his "status" is getting higher.
      The user is reinforced that it is necessary to speak badly.
      And then when this person in the "status of a general" says that everything is bad, it is more likely that they will listen to him and believe him, and the person will receive another plus.


      Something like this.
      1. AvesevA
        AvesevA 28 November 2022 14: 32
        +2
        I completely agree. Here for a good cleaning would be
        1. Alex_mech
          Alex_mech 29 November 2022 11: 14
          0
          But what if, as a result of the purge, they “cleanse” you? Some people don't like you either.
      2. Barberry25
        Barberry25 6 December 2022 11: 51
        -2
        it's simple, do you want beautiful stars? write populist posts, and if you write something else, there will be cons ..
  5. lexseyOGK
    lexseyOGK 28 November 2022 08: 42
    +7
    Author. Where did you get about the engine and avionics from the Su-35S on these delivered aircraft? In the UAC press release, only the new improved avionics is written. Did you come up with it yourself?
    1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
      Andrei from Chelyabinsk 28 November 2022 10: 11
      +6
      Quote: lexseyOGK
      Author. Where did you get about the engine and avionics from the Su-35S on these delivered aircraft?

      Alas, the author was wrong. It’s just that the replacement of the engine in the Su-30M2 is on everyone’s lips, but that the transition to the new version is going on in stages and the new engine will be installed according to plans from the end of 2023. And this is according to plans. But about the avionics from the Su-35 - it may well be, although honestly - not Copenhagen
      1. Zaurbek
        Zaurbek 28 November 2022 11: 53
        +5
        The main "plug" was with the PFAR from the Su35, it is not pulled by the AL31 due to the weak generator. And, in theory, PGO should be removed from AL41
        1. Bad_gr
          Bad_gr 28 November 2022 16: 49
          +1
          Quote: Zaurbek
          And, in theory, PGO should be removed from AL41
          What is it in honor of?
          PGO on our Su-30s is present mainly to relieve stress on the airframe when working close to the ground at high speed. The Su-35 does not need this, since it is imprisoned mainly for an air enemy.
          Although both aircraft are station wagons, please note that Su-30s often replace Su-24s.
          1. Zaurbek
            Zaurbek 28 November 2022 16: 55
            +1
            Potentially, the Su30 is a substitute for everything ... Both the Su24 and Su34 and the Su35S itself .... But, for this, you need to complete the upgrade and make a serial hanging container ......
            1. Bad_gr
              Bad_gr 28 November 2022 17: 15
              +5
              Quote: Zaurbek
              The Su30 is a substitute for everything ... And the Su24 and Su34 and the Su35S itself .... But, for this, you need to complete the upgrade and make a serial hanging container ......
              The Su-35 is a more advanced aircraft than the Su-30.
              We can say about the Su-35 that this is a further development of the Su-37, since instead of aluminum (the main material of the Su-27-30) and rivets, aluminum-lithium alloys and welding + composites are used in its production. And the EPR of the Su-35 is several times lower. The degree of its static instability has been increased to 20% of the MAR (for the Su-27 - 5%), hence the maneuverability is nowhere higher.
              1. Zaurbek
                Zaurbek 28 November 2022 20: 35
                +1
                If you read carefully, then the CM2 program is the unification of 1. 30s with 35s
                2. Offering the same program to buyers of Mu30 MKI, ICC, etc.
                3 in all other cases, it is better to do a 2-seater Su35. And it’s even better to immediately make a cockpit according to the MIG35 principle .... 2 pilots or 1 pilot + additional tank ..... But the iron and the lantern are the same
              2. lexseyOGK
                lexseyOGK 29 November 2022 00: 27
                +1
                Mdaaaa. And welding and composites and cast alloys on the Su-35 .... You accidentally didn’t make a mistake with the index of the aircraft. Something you have porridge ...
                1. Bad_gr
                  Bad_gr 29 November 2022 01: 58
                  0
                  Quote: lexseyOGK
                  Mdaaaa. And welding and composites and cast alloys on the Su-35 .... You accidentally didn’t make a mistake with the index of the aircraft. Something you have porridge ...

                  The design of the airframe as a whole is similar to the airframe of the Su-27 aircraft, however, when creating either the Su-35/37, new aluminum-lithium alloys were used, the use of composite materials was significantly expanded ..........
                  http://www.redov.ru/transport_i_aviacija/aviacija_i_kosmonavtika_1999_08/p26.php

                  And by the way, there were 35 variants of the Su-3:
                  Su-35_(T-10M), Su-35UB_(T-10UBM) and Su-35S ("BM")_(T-10BM).
  6. certero
    certero 28 November 2022 10: 27
    -3
    The future belongs to unmanned vehicles. The war proved it.
    But the generals again do not understand.
    1. shikin
      shikin 29 November 2022 01: 11
      +1
      What did the war prove? Already at one time they wrote off cannon artillery, and aircraft, and tanks, and small arms. Yes, everyone does not sleep. And they won't sleep soon.
      1. JD1979
        JD1979 29 November 2022 13: 26
        0
        Quote from shikin
        What did the war prove?

        She proved everything)) If you use your head not only for food, then this is perfectly visible. The country that will make a full replacement for manned aircraft will take the air. Because the weakest link here is the pilot, who cannot be assembled like an airplane in a couple of months.
        1. shikin
          shikin 29 November 2022 16: 50
          -1
          You can't do anything with drones alone. Yes, today they are an important link in the army - both reconnaissance and shock. But only a link. Just as a motorcycle will not replace a car, a drone will not replace an airplane. They should have their own areas of application, not duplicates.
          And everything, in theory, should be tied into a single system, then there will be high efficiency. And if everything is on its own - drones, aviation, artillery, infantry - then there will be little sense. As they say, order beats class.
          And with drones - while there is no real AI, communication remains critically important, probably the weakest link in the UAV today.
    2. JD1979
      JD1979 29 November 2022 13: 19
      -1
      Quote: certero
      But the generals again do not understand.

      Generals live in memories))) they would have to sit out until retirement) Where is there to think about the future.
  7. abc_alex
    abc_alex 28 November 2022 13: 00
    -1
    New components and assemblies were borrowed from the Su-35S fighter ...
    ... the AL-41F1S engine, taken from the Su-35S, is used.
    ... some blocks and devices taken from the Su-35S.


    And now explain to me why the hell the Air Force needs this plane at all? Are there few exhibits in the "Poghosyan Zoo"? Why was the creation of a full-fledged two-seat version of the Su-35UB, which is a standard procedure for the Sukhoi Design Bureau, stopped, and it was decided to replace it with the Su-30? Just, what would at least something? So it’s clear that as a fighter it is inferior to the Su-35, and as a bomber it is inferior to the Su-34. I would still understand if it was a "fire option". But now what is the secret meaning of working on turning the Su-30 into the Su-35?
    1. lexseyOGK
      lexseyOGK 28 November 2022 13: 29
      +3
      There is only one meaning. Loading IAZ. Well, one more. All new Su-30SM aircraft go to the fleet, and there, as a replacement for the Su-24 and Su-27, the leadership of the Navy aviation apparently considers it the best alternative.
      1. abc_alex
        abc_alex 5 December 2022 00: 52
        0
        Quote: lexseyOGK
        new Su-30SM aircraft go to the fleet


        Why is he needed there?
        I do not argue. Naval missile-carrying aviation needs a new aircraft. But the Su-30 is suitable for this role only as a crutch. Even with all the upgrades, he will not be able to take on board more than one Onyx class anti-ship missiles. And the Su-34 can take two. He has a reinforced center section just for such a load. Don't you think it's nonsense to arm the MRA on the principle of one plane - one missile? According to the analytical conclusions of modern military analysts, a salvo of at least 40 supersonic anti-ship missiles is required to confidently defeat the US AUG. How many Su-30s should be in the MRA if each attack should contain at least two regiments of 20 vehicles each? We have three potentially dangerous water areas: north, east and south. Do you need at least two waves? This is 80 cars. The price per piece is from 50 to 83 million dollars. That is, each fleet requires aircraft worth more than 4 billion dollars.
        The Su-34 costs $34 million and carries 2 missiles. Accordingly, for two waves of 40 missiles, not 80, but 40 vehicles are needed. And it will cost 1 billion 360 million dollars.

        Do you understand that an attempt to re-equip the Su-30 MPA is a crazy utopia leading to a waste of the budget?

        Quote: lexseyOGK
        There is only one meaning. Loading IAZ.

        And why shouldn't IAZ master the Su-35? Doesn't this explanation sound ridiculous to you? I would also understand if it was about unique technologies and experience, such as the serial plant of the Kamov Design Bureau. But what prevents the plant in Irkutsk from mastering the Su-35? Or have they already lost the habit of fulfilling orders, and now they only demand that they take what they have? Like, no. Both Superjet and MS are fully mastered by the plant ...
        1. lexseyOGK
          lexseyOGK 5 December 2022 23: 54
          +1
          Why in the Navy, these are questions for the Navy. I just noted that the planes go there. About Su-35. IAZ can master them. But he doesn't want to. We have capitalism. It’s easier to go where you need to and agree that they will supply the Russian Defense Ministry with what they have now, and not something new. The development of a new aircraft for the plant is a lot of money. Well, this should have been done 12 years ago, when the first Su-35s went to the troops. It's too late now. It was fun about the superjet. IAZ has no sexual relationship with him. Study the question. Only the signs have been changed.
    2. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 28 November 2022 13: 55
      +2
      Quote: abc_alex
      And now explain to me why the hell the Air Force needs this plane at all?

      Because in the aviation industry there is a situation similar to the tank industry of the times of the USSR. Kharkov and Tagil were there, and now the aviators have Irkutsk and Komsomolsk-on-Amur.
      Irkutsk has made and is making a version of the SM - the most advanced of the 30th family.
      KNAAZ made the M2 version - the pipe is lower and the smoke is thinner. But then he switched to the Su-35.
      Quote: abc_alex
      So it’s clear that as a fighter it is inferior to the Su-35, and as a bomber it is inferior to the Su-34. I would still understand if it was a "fire option".

      Su-30SM is not a fire variant. And a tit in the hands. It is, the machine is debugged, production is established. They will drive and modernize until they choose to the bottom.
      1. Khibiny Plastun
        Khibiny Plastun 28 November 2022 16: 07
        +4
        As I understand it, the person asked a reasonable question - why again produce a zoo, Su-30-35-57? Use nodes from the Su 35, but isn't it better to switch to the Su 35, stopping the production of the Su 30? I confess, I also do not understand the benefits of releasing the Su 30 instead of the Su 35. Except that the Su 30 is a little cheaper.
        1. Bad_gr
          Bad_gr 28 November 2022 17: 25
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          Quote: Khibiny Plastun
          - why again produce a zoo, Su-30-35-57?
          And why for unscrewing the nuts for each nut size there is a wrench size, if an adjustable wrench can replace them all?
          1. Khibiny Plastun
            Khibiny Plastun 28 November 2022 19: 13
            +2
            The example is not suitable. Su 30-35-57 still differ in design, both in the airframe, and in the engines and fillings, which means that they are different in maintenance and spare parts. This would make sense if the Su 35 was still raw and required refinement, and for this time a proven aircraft would be needed. But here it is difficult to understand why to continue the production of three different heavy fighters. They are united only by the "Su" logo.
            1. Bad_gr
              Bad_gr 28 November 2022 20: 02
              +2
              Aircraft are designed for different tasks. Although their filling is different, they try to unify as much as possible. For example, a single engine for all types of dryers (there was such a topic in the press), varieties of one locator, unification of cabins, software, etc.
              The Japanese follow the same trend. For example:
              1. abc_alex
                abc_alex 5 December 2022 00: 24
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                Quote: Bad_gr
                Aircraft are designed for different tasks. Although their filling is different, they try to unify as much as possible.

                WHAT FOR???
                The Su-30 was created as a fighter - a flight commander. Initially, he did not have shock capabilities. Received them only in export versions. But as a strike aircraft, it is inferior to the Su-34. Since the shock functions of the Su-30 are "screwed", and not originally laid down in the design.
                The Su-35, on the other hand, was created immediately as a multi-purpose one; during its design, the task was directly set to coincide in time with the solution of strike tasks with air combat tasks.

                The Su-30 is worse than the Su-35 as a fighter and worse than the Su-34 as a strike aircraft.

                The regular development of the Su-35 program was the development of a combat training modification, on the basis of which a two-seat combat aircraft could be created. The aircraft was supposed to incorporate all the best that was done on the Su-35 and both versions of the Su-30MK - the Su-30MKI and the Su-30MKK.
                But! According to directive orders, this work was discontinued in the region of 2000 in favor of the Su-30MKI, which went into production as the Su-30SM. As a result, the troops now have a real "Pogosyan's zoo" with three different airframes, three different engines, three different radars, and different avionics systems. I would understand if the Su-30 was launched in a small series for the period of finalization of the two-seater Su-35. But no! Pogosyanovshchina again steers our Air Force. Not only are different versions of the Su-27 still flying, but three DIFFERENT and incompatible aircraft have been piled on top.
                WHAT FOR?
                To give work to factories? And why does this logic work only in relation to the Sukhoi Design Bureau? A large MiG factory is idle in Lukhovitsy. Why does no one care about his fate? Why didn't anyone care about the fate of serial factories of other aviation design bureaus?
                1. Rustic
                  Rustic 6 December 2022 07: 34
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                  The aircraft was supposed to incorporate all the best that was done on the Su-35 and both versions of the Su-30MK - the Su-30MKI and the Su-30MKK.
                  But! According to the directive orders, this work was stopped in the region of 2000 in favor of the Su-30MKI, which went into series as the Su-30SM. As a result, the troops now have a real "Pogosyan zoo"
                  Haven't you thought that the reason for this zoo is just the difference between the IWC and the MKI? An aircraft that is not even in service, especially no one wants to take it. This is where it started. The Chinese need more of a fighter, and the fact that they took a two-month MK is partly due to the fact that there was no such one-seater at that moment. When the Su35 appeared, they immediately switched to it. While the Indians needed exactly a fighter-bomber, and more with a tendency to work on the ground. From here, another scheme with PGO is sharpened more to work at low altitudes. In part, it is possible that they jumped off the PAK FA theme, apparently they decided that it would take too long to wait for the two-month version. And that's not counting the actual Sino-Indian personal movements. It is likely that they fundamentally do not want to have the same modification as the enemy. At least folding the MK branch looks quite logical. Neither we nor the Chinese need it now. Another thing is the development of SM. The Indians are quite interested in obtaining new modifications with the same AL-41, but again, on the condition that they first see it in the "metal" in the form of CM2. But whether the Chinese need a 2-seater Su-35 is still a big question. We, in the presence of demand for CM2, also do not really need it.
                  1. abc_alex
                    abc_alex 7 December 2022 23: 07
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                    Quote from Rustic
                    Neither we nor the Chinese need it now. Another thing is the development of SM. The Indians are quite interested in obtaining new modifications with the same AL-41, but again, on the condition that they first see it in the "metal" in the form of CM2. But whether the Chinese need a 2-seater Su-35 is still a big question. We, in the presence of demand for CM2, also do not really need it.



                    Uh ... Excuse me, we are planning to re-equip the Air Force with aircraft that anyone needs? India and China? Or us? I'm not talking about whether or not the Indians need the Su-30MK. Krishna with Rama to help them!
                    The Russian Air Force does not need the Su-30. It creates an unnecessary variety of the park. It was not created as a mass machine, it was a deeply niche modification. Now the money spent on its modernization is money thrown into the pipe. I repeat, re-equipping our MRA with it is not realistic from the point of view of the economy. And as a fighter, he is not a competitor to the Su-35.
                    Let the Indians keep buying the Su-30MKI if they like it. For them and for their money, you can put any equipment on it. It is not necessary to poke it into our Air Force, especially in the form of an attack aircraft.
                    Today, it is not the modernization of the Su-30 with a cunning squint at the Indians that is required. Now it is necessary to "drowse" the Su-34 and saturate the MRA with it. The Tu-22M3 fleet is not expanding, the mythical PAK-DA will either be, or not, and when is not known. And the Su-30 is not a replacement for the Tu-22M3 in any way.

                    Well, they will buy from us what we ourselves use. The Su-30 was bought not by itself, but as an upgraded version of the Su-27UB. We will make a full-fledged two-seat Su-35 for our Air Force, with advanced strike functions, and they will buy it.

                    I think so...
      2. abc_alex
        abc_alex 5 December 2022 00: 55
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        Quote: Alexey RA
        They will drive and modernize until they choose to the bottom.


        They will not choose to the bottom what? Defense budget money? Stocks of common sense? The patience of the rear services?
  8. Fedor1
    Fedor1 28 November 2022 14: 27
    -6
    And what did Israel forbid us to use Gerani-2 in the database against Ukraine?
    1. New-pechkin
      New-pechkin 28 November 2022 15: 56
      +1
      What does Gerani-2 have to do with the SU-30SM2 for the Navy? What is the comment about..
  9. usm5
    usm5 28 November 2022 19: 14
    0
    Somehow, the questions on the Yak-130 were not covered much, but this, among other things, is an ideal inexpensive enemy drone fighter.
    1. Bad_gr
      Bad_gr 28 November 2022 20: 04
      +2
      Quote from usm5
      ideal low cost enemy drone destroyer.
      Drones should be engaged in electronic warfare.
  10. Dima Dima_2
    Dima Dima_2 29 November 2022 00: 08
    +2
    Curious where did the moments go? And then SU ​​and SU don’t hear about moments at all ... Is the moment still alive or is it all?
    1. Vanek30
      Vanek30 29 November 2022 07: 17
      +2
      Almost no longer alive ... Our VKS does not need the MiG-35, no one buys it for an escort either.
      1. AdAstra
        AdAstra 29 November 2022 10: 20
        +1
        Therefore, the infidels do not take it, since they themselves do not need it.
  11. Vanek30
    Vanek30 29 November 2022 07: 15
    0
    But is it really a full-fledged Su-30SM2?)
    They say they have older engines.
  12. certero
    certero 29 November 2022 08: 15
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    Quote from shikin
    What did the war prove? Already at one time they wrote off cannon artillery, and aircraft, and tanks, and small arms. Yes, everyone does not sleep. And they won't sleep soon.

    Vayna proved that planes worth hundreds of millions of rubles drop bombs like attack aircraft during World War II because they are suddenly shot down.
    The question is why the hell are they needed then? Right now, when Russia is waging war, when many people have turned to our superiority in aviation, which will allow us to defeat the enemy.
    But it turned out that this very superiority cannot be used. Point And if instead of these aircraft we had tens of thousands of cheap, which is not a pity, drones, everything would be different. Actually, we are now seeing that the industry is building these same drones and they show maximum efficiency.