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Pneumatics - don't shoot if you don't know what

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Pneumatics - don't shoot if you don't know what



Shoot always, shoot everywhere?


In Russia and most countries of the world, there are certain restrictions on the purchase, sale, carrying and use of air rifles and pistols. But outside the Russian Federation, laws regarding this species weapons differ greatly. There are also some very original ideas.

The fact is that some types of pneumatics can cause injury, even death, and can even be used for military purposes. The question is how different world jurisdictions relate to this. History testifies that pneumatics has been used as a military weapon for a long time, even for a very long time.

The most ancient and primitive devices of this type are tubes that fire striking elements using the energy of the air exhaled from the mouth. In our time, these have been preserved, for example, among the Amazonian Indians, who use air tubes with poisoned arrows.

The prototypes of modern air rifles, shotguns and pistols, used to defeat the enemy, most likely appeared in Austria during the Napoleonic wars. It was a 0,45 inch Girardoni air rifle. The air cylinder was screwed into the receiver, the barrel was rifled.

The advantage of such a rifle was that, unlike muskets, it was smokeless and did not make a lot of noise, which did not distract the fighters who were in the neighborhood. In the future, however, pneumatics were used mainly in artillery. But this does not detract from the destructive power of pneumatic guns.


That is why most countries regulate the legality of selling and owning pneumatics in terms of muzzle energy, which can be very significant, and in terms of caliber. Also, in the vast majority of countries there is a restriction on the purchase by age. But there are other options as well.

Until the moratorium


We do not know how the legislation applies to pneumatics in North Korea. Most likely, it is forbidden there, but this is only guesswork. But there are regions where the authorities have publicly announced a ban on airguns.

Among states, the most stringent airgun law in the world was passed this year in Bangladesh. They completely banned pneumatics in order to preserve wildlife, especially migratory birds, which local owners of air rifles previously shot in commercial quantities and, of course, without any hunting licenses.

While this norm has the status of an order, which will remain in force until the order of the Ministry of Environment, Forests and Climate Change of the country to cancel it. That is, in fact, a temporary moratorium. The ban will take effect December 14. However, shooting clubs and people living in the forests do not fall under the moratorium.

The Wildlife Conservation Act passed in 2012 in Bangladesh completely banned the hunting of wild animals. But there it was mainly about firearms, snares, traps, pits with stakes, etc., but not about pneumatic weapons. Many have taken advantage of this loophole.

Almost simultaneously, a complete ban on the use of pneumatic weapons was introduced in several Indian states, also to protect wildlife, in this case, Amur falcons, arriving there for an autumn stopover on their way to southern Africa. These are the states of Assam, Nagaland and Manipur.

The local population uses Amur falcons to make curries, despite the fact that in most other cultures birds of prey are considered forbidden food (well, what's wrong with that, we eat bear meat and meat of predatory fish, and the peoples of Northern Europe are not averse to eating predatory marine mammals ). During migration, up to 12 falcons are killed daily in the three states. One of the means of poaching, in addition to nets and catapults, is pneumatics.

Ban, but not all


A local ban on the use of pneumatics outside of shooting clubs was recently introduced by the municipal authorities of Newton, Massachusetts, USA. This is due to numerous cases of complaints from residents of private houses that their neighbors either violate the silence regime or tried to intimidate them with such weapons, using the similarity of pneumatics to assault rifles.


In the United States, such laws can be enacted at the level of municipalities and counties, not to mention the states, since federal gun laws do not regulate the sale of pneumatics in any way.

In China, including Hong Kong, airguns are legal, but modifications are criminalized. In particular, recently in Hong Kong, during a raid, police arrested 10 people who were found in possession of 200 modified air rifles. They were accused of preparing anti-government actions and having links with the triads.

Hard or fair?


Of the countries where airguns are legal, perhaps the most stringent licensing procedures are in Japan. It is almost equated there with another type of legal weapon - shotguns. The potential owner of the "aircraft" before obtaining permission to purchase it must pass mandatory classes, which can often last a whole working day.

Then there will be a written test and a marksmanship test at the shooting range, as a result of which the shooting accuracy must be at least 95%. And then, they will be allowed to take classes only after an examination by a psychiatrist and a biography check by the police, and they check the biography of not only the applicant, but also his close relatives. The license is valid for three years, after which the owner of the pneumatic weapon is obliged to re-take the course and pass the exams. Once a year, weapons must be re-registered with the police.

In Scotland, unlike in England, Wales and Northern Ireland, where regulations are relatively liberal, pneumatics require a certificate or permit to use when it comes to shooting club practice. Outside of Scotland, airguns with muzzle energy not exceeding 16,3 joules are not subject to certification.

Extremely strict restrictions (as, indeed, many other laws) regarding pneumatic weapons operate in Singapore. It requires a license for it. At the same time, if they prove that the owner carried pneumatics along the street for self-defense, one can answer before the law.

In particular, in 2019, a Singaporean was sentenced to three months in prison for carrying just a butter knife. His mistake was that during the search, he said that he carried a knife for self-defense. I would say that he was taking it to the apartment of his girlfriend, whose knife broke and there was nothing to cut the butter with - nothing would have happened.


Technically, pneumatic weapons cannot be considered firearms. But some of its types can be equated to firearms in terms of the damage that they are capable of bringing. In this regard, Russia, like the countries and regions mentioned above, is moving along the path of tightening legislation. Since 2022, criminal liability has been introduced for the conversion of pneumatic weapons, although earlier this was practiced by craftsmen everywhere since Soviet times.

It is quite possible that, following the example of the same Great Britain, the rules for the use of pneumatics in the open air will also follow the path of tightening, which will make the notorious "crowhunting" illegal. It will be impossible to shoot a crow in multi-apartment areas even from your own window.

On the one hand, this will guarantee the safety of citizens who can be hit by a stray bullet, on the other hand, there will be no one of the limiting factors in the number of crows, which will cause a decrease in the number of other birds, including rare birds of prey, which compete with crows in the food chain .
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  1. Lech from Android.
    Lech from Android. 3 December 2022 04: 42
    +29
    It would be time to move from a ban on pneumatics to a ban on everything sharp and piercing.
    The right to use needles, knives, axes, cleavers, crowbars, irons and other trifles must be licensed ... God forbid, people will start to misuse ... and most importantly, what is the source of income for the treasury ... Golden Klondike. .. you can turn around because Ostap Bender never dreamed of.
    In general, law-abiding citizens should not have anything sharper than a pillow according to the law.
    And if we have to escape from the bandits, we immediately call the rescue service and burrow into the pillow.
    1. dauria
      dauria 3 December 2022 05: 04
      +2
      It would be time to move from a ban on pneumatics to a ban on everything sharp and piercing.

      Why exaggerate? The law is needed. Use, observing the rules specified in the law - and that's it. Well, you will not be happy if a drunk driver gets behind the wheel, or drives along the sidewalk. And no one forbids cars But the rights can be taken away, even for life.
      Do the same here.
      1. Lech from Android.
        Lech from Android. 3 December 2022 05: 17
        +21
        Quote: dauria
        The law is needed. Use, observing the rules specified in the law - and that's it.

        Law-abiding citizens do just that.
        But cunning lawmakers are tightening the law on the use of weapons in the direction of law-abiding citizens, and not in the direction of its violators ... that's the trouble.
        The rights can be taken away from a drunk driver ... but he gets behind the wheel without a license anyway.
        This is why the punishment should be tougher.
        In terms of pneumatics, by limiting its use, you limit again towards law-abiding citizens.
        Violators of the law will still shoot where they please ... there is a law or not, they do not care.
        This is where the legislators fail.
        I'll tell you a paradoxical thing... the more the state restricts the rights of its citizens, the weaker it becomes and turns into a kind of inflated jock monster.
        In such a state, life will be like the life of a parrot in a cage.
        You can squeak anything, and you will do what the owner says.
        1. Region-25.rus
          Region-25.rus 3 December 2022 05: 28
          +1
          This is where the legislators fail.
          well, in general, everything is about the same thing but in different ways hi
          1. Bad_gr
            Bad_gr 3 December 2022 13: 20
            +1
            Quote: dauria
            Law needed
            The article is not new, but the general concept gives:
            A selection of facts about civilian weapons in different countries
            1. Bad_gr
              Bad_gr 3 December 2022 13: 48
              0
              Among states, the most stringent airgun law in the world was passed this year in Bangladesh.


              .... The shooters of the Austrian border guard used Girardoni rifles from 1790 to 1815 - just during the coalition wars with France. In battles with French troops, they hit officers and artillery servants at 100-150 paces. It is clear that such an insidious weapon irritated the French very much - Napoleon decided to give the order to shoot or hang in place the shooters captured with a pneumatic gun in their hands.

              1. Bad_gr
                Bad_gr 3 December 2022 13: 57
                0
                Destruction ranch. Shooting from pneumatic guns:
                https://youtu.be/9NvQ4agF__o?t=280
    2. Region-25.rus
      Region-25.rus 3 December 2022 05: 22
      +6
      The right to use needles, knives, axes, cleavers, crowbars, irons and other small items must be licensed.
      but other than how to rush from one extreme to another .... no more?
      Aleksey was right when he said
      Use, observing the rules specified in the law - and that's it.

      Have you dealt with pneumatics yourself? Even 3 joules? I now had such a device (the kit itself has already been attached)

      And here is what he does with a concrete pylon for ten meters, having previously flashed a GVL sheet

      Well, okay, I shot exclusively at a construction site and in the forest. Yes, stray dogs were scared when they started to greyhound (they squealed loudly and were very unhappy). And how many "alternatively gifted" citizens we have .... And I'm not talking about forbidding if anything, but about the fact that pneumatics is by no means a toy. And yes, there is airsoft (with plastic balls of 6 mm caliber), and the beaten ones also play "hardball", where they shoot from devices similar to mine with steel copper-plated balls of 4,5 mm caliber. Google hardball videos. And how do players protect themselves from such "toys"
      1. Lech from Android.
        Lech from Android. 3 December 2022 05: 32
        +9
        Shot... smile I don’t acquire weapons on principle ... so as not to have problems with the state.
        More hemorrhoids are not from weapons, but from its control and application system.
        If you bungle a slingshot with steel balls, then in terms of lethality it will be much higher than this pneumatics ... I know a case when a steel ball bounced off the wall and broke the skull.
        What is there to say about pneumatics.
        So we ban slingshots.
        Any solid object in the hands of a violator of the law is dangerous ... we prohibit it.
        1. leks
          leks 3 December 2022 05: 45
          +10
          Please crossbows, slingshots in free sale. But you need to get to the bottom of the pneumatics and smoothbore.
          Although the statistics on murders are relentless, the pneumatic and smoothbore occupies a small percentage of murders.
          1. Lech from Android.
            Lech from Android. 3 December 2022 05: 53
            +2
            Quote: leks
            Although the statistics on murders are relentless, the pneumatic and smoothbore occupies a small percentage of murders.

            According to statistics, most people are killed by household items ...
            a frying pan, for example, an iron, a dumbbell, a kitchen knife ... in general, the first thing that comes to hand.
            Weapons for law-abiding citizens are fired mainly by drunkards and psychopaths of various formats.
            This category must immediately be cut off from all shooting and cutting weapons.
            1. leks
              leks 3 December 2022 06: 36
              +3
              Quote: Lech from Android.
              Quote: leks
              Although the statistics on murders are relentless, the pneumatic and smoothbore occupies a small percentage of murders.

              According to statistics, most people are killed by household items ...
              a frying pan, for example, an iron, a dumbbell, a kitchen knife ... in general, the first thing that comes to hand.
              Weapons for law-abiding citizens are fired mainly by drunkards and psychopaths of various formats.
              This category must immediately be cut off from all shooting and cutting weapons.

              So I'm talking about the same!
              But lawmakers, I can only accept new bans, this is the easiest way!
            2. bairat
              bairat 3 December 2022 06: 37
              +10
              Most people are killed by cars, and mostly sober citizens. It's not clear what's missing here.
              1. Lech from Android.
                Lech from Android. 3 December 2022 07: 03
                +2
                Quote: bairat
                Most people are killed by cars, and mostly sober citizens. It's not clear what's missing here.

                Oh, don't say... and pedestrians who cross the roadway with their feet in the wrong place are also the killers of their lives... cut off their legs chtoli.
                How complicated and confusing everything is in our universe. what
                1. Ka-52
                  Ka-52 5 December 2022 07: 20
                  -1
                  How complicated and confusing everything is in our universe.

                  do not generalize - it is confusing specifically in your universe. It seems that you are 12 years old or so, judging by the immaturity of the statements. The statistics on the criminality of household knives and axes is great only because they are more accessible. If there were more firearms at hand, they would use them more often. But why are firearms banned, but table knives not? Yes, because firearms leave 8,5 times less chance of survival than cold weapons, especially with a short blade, or made of mild steel.
                  You think first before writing a bunch of stupid comments
              2. Stepych
                Stepych 3 December 2022 07: 07
                +7
                Yeah, the annual death rate in traffic accidents in Russia is greater than in 10 years of the war in Afghanistan.
                And so every year.
                1. Bad_gr
                  Bad_gr 3 December 2022 13: 26
                  0
                  Quote: bairat
                  Most people are killed by cars, and mostly sober citizens. ....

                  The main causes of fatal accidents in the United States in 2001:
                  Vehicles ------------ 42 people
                  Poisoning ------------------------------------------ 14 500
                  Falls from a height ---------------------------------- 14
                  Accidents related to suffocation (choking on food, etc.) - 4
                  Fire and other sources of fire and smoke ------ 3
                  Firearms ----------------------- 800
        2. Eule
          Eule 3 December 2022 19: 52
          0
          In the days of "perestroika" before all the cases of massacres of Russians - both in Chechnya and in other regions, first the owners of legal weapons were deprived of their guns. That is, the seizure of weapons is a reason to run away, this is a sign that a massacre is coming.
        3. PSih2097
          PSih2097 3 December 2022 20: 29
          +1
          Quote: Lech from Android.
          If you bungle a slingshot with steel balls, then in terms of lethality it will be much higher than this pneumatics ... I know a case when a steel ball bounced off the wall and broke the skull.

          a slingshot is a thing - and everyone knows this from school ...
          But we are talking about pneumatics - I had a comrade (down in peace and the kingdom of heaven to him) he had a barrel - Desert Eagle ordinary pneumatics instead of steel, the bolt group was made of silumin (it already weighs like a terrible sin 1,5 kg - pneumatics from aluminum / steel under two kg, from silumin 1,2 kg), so in one NPO of our defense industry it was finalized so that the balloon released seven 4,5 mm balls with a through breakdown of the carcass of a pig (not through the skull), which will be clear to a person .. .
          then another example - an airsoft sniper - a spring, we change the spring and at 50 meters when a 6mm ball hits the forehead, a moderate brain concussion is guaranteed (we are silent about the ears, lips and cheeks and the rest of the unprotected parts of the body) ...
          1. VSO-396
            VSO-396 4 December 2022 06: 48
            0
            [quote=PSih2097][quote=Lech from Android.]
            then one more example - an airsoft sniper - a spring, we change the spring and at 50 meters when a 6mm ball hits the forehead, a moderate brain concussion is guaranteed (we are silent about the ears, lips and cheeks and the rest of the unprotected parts of the body) ... [/ quote ]
            Come on! A 6 mm plastic ball will certainly not fly 50 m, it is too light.
            1. PSih2097
              PSih2097 4 December 2022 21: 33
              0
              Quote: VSO-396
              Come on! A 6 mm plastic ball will certainly not fly 50 m, it is too light.

              for airsoft, a normal spring distance with a standard spring ... but for a reinforced one (although there are options there too) there is a la BCC / AC / SR3M ...
      2. Sharky
        Sharky 3 December 2022 07: 55
        -6
        Yes, stray dogs shooed when they started to borzet (they squealed loudly and were very unhappy)

        Yes, you are a typical liveer! Shoot at stray dogs, realizing that a pneumatic bullet gets stuck under the animal's skin, which the animal itself will never pull out. That is, the wound will hurt and not heal, it will fester ... Do you definitely need to ban any pneumatics and register you in a psychiatric dispensary or where are they treated for livelihood?
        In our city, often the same as you walk and shoot swans and ducks with pneumatics on city reservoirs. Therefore, yes, many do not understand that pneumatics is exclusively shooting at paper targets, the law needs to be tightened in order to save nature from people like you. am
        1. Region-25.rus
          Region-25.rus 3 December 2022 09: 55
          +6
          Yes, you are a typical liveer!
          Try to walk past a pack of stray dogs who decide that you are encroaching on "their" territory aha .. fool These can already bite that horses can be moved from tetanus and other infections ... And by the way, they rush and bite.
          In our city, often the same as you walk and shoot swans and ducks with pneumatics on city reservoirs
          what about swans and ducks? Unlike stray packs of dogs, they are not dangerous. Do not compare thick with soft.
          for registration in a psychiatric clinic
          like you give free rein ... I'm even afraid to imagine what would happen. Do you feel sorry for everyone? Well, apparently they didn’t see how dogs tear a cat, so .. for fun .. sorry you are ours fool
          1. filibuster
            filibuster 3 December 2022 12: 09
            0
            Try to walk past a pack of stray dogs who decide that you are encroaching on "their" territory aha.


            Pepper spray will be more effective against a pack of stray dogs. I run every day and we have stray dogs in the park, as well as all sorts of huge domestic rottweilers and dobermans and headless owners who let such dogs run in the park without a muzzle, and so just pepper spray helped more than once and no sadism or any injuries to anyone .
            1. Region-25.rus
              Region-25.rus 3 December 2022 12: 19
              -2
              we have stray dogs in the park
              yes really .. another defender of all living things?))) Well .. good luck .. to be among 10 - 15 brutalized dogs with your spray can.
              And yes, I do not care about both wild dogs and the same "people" .. Who in society behave like unreasonable gorillas. No.
              1. filibuster
                filibuster 3 December 2022 12: 44
                +3
                I found myself among eight or nine just in the park on a jog, a jet of gas and everyone fled, dogs who have a very highly developed sense of smell react very painfully to irritating odors, and here is a special irritating gas, and I do not protect animals, although psychiatrists say that shooting on animals / birds from pneumatics may indicate a deviation and a tendency to sadism.
                And moreover, a gas canister is also effective in self-defense in domestic cases.
                And by the way, I didn’t understand what you would do with your pneumatics if you were among even 3-4 wild dogs, except to use it as a long stick to fight you probably from sofa Rambos. And here is the use of spray can against dogs



                moreover, my relative worked as a dog handler in the police, and he always said irritating gas against dogs is more effective than even firearms, a wounded dog can continue aggression, and irritating gas instantly stops its aggression, even a service dog stops attacking, as you can see from the video above dogs stop attacking immediately.
                1. Sharky
                  Sharky 3 December 2022 16: 20
                  -2
                  I found myself among eight or nine just in the park on a jog, a jet of gas and everyone fled, dogs who have a very highly developed sense of smell react very painfully to irritating odors, and here is a special irritating gas, and I do not protect animals, although psychiatrists say that shooting on animals / birds from pneumatics may indicate a deviation and a tendency to sadism.

                  You, like me, will not prove anything to them. They want to kill and torture animals, this can be seen from the number of "minuses" for my comment. Therefore, only prohibitions and restrictions. Society is not yet ready for the transition to a new level of development, unfortunately. hi
                  1. Region-25.rus
                    Region-25.rus 4 December 2022 03: 00
                    -2
                    They want to kill and torture animals
                    Did you come up with this yourself or did someone say it?
                    this can be seen by the number of "minuses" for my comment
                    yes, yes .. flayers from all over the world flew in and instructed minuses wassat laughing Yes, we are... lol To paraphrase the words of the hero of the famous work - "Contact Greenpeace! They will help you!" winked
                    And cons are put by adequate people. Realists and materialists and not "unique snowflakes with fine spiritual organization"
              2. Sharky
                Sharky 3 December 2022 16: 15
                +2
                And yes, I do not care about both wild dogs and the same "people" .. Who in society behave like unreasonable gorillas.

                It takes a very uneducated person to equate the behavior of animals with the behavior of humans. You do not understand the behavior of animals, which are driven by instincts and humans.
                1. Region-25.rus
                  Region-25.rus 4 December 2022 03: 07
                  0
                  to equate animal behavior with human behavior
                  You did not work in the early-mid-90s and even in the mid-XNUMXs for bandit shipowners. And in those crews that they recruited for themselves (the same moral geeks but with a lower rank aha) ... Rose-colored glasses would quickly fly off.
                  driven by instincts and man
                  I see you are very knowledgeable. Especially in instincts
          2. Sharky
            Sharky 3 December 2022 16: 05
            0
            Try to walk past a pack of stray dogs who decide that you are encroaching on "their" territory aha ..

            There is a very effective tool: a gas spray. Cheap and effective. And don't harm an animal. Already written below.
            like you give free rein ... I'm even afraid to imagine what would happen. Do you feel sorry for everyone? Well, apparently they didn’t see how dogs tear a cat, so .. for fun .. sorry you are our fool

            You have already read Article 245 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation. Animal abuse?
            Read it, there is very interesting information for flayers and up to 3-5 years in prison, consider that you are doing everything “correctly”.
            It's good that your comment is direct evidence of your illegal actions, for which responsibility should follow.
            1. Region-25.rus
              Region-25.rus 4 December 2022 03: 18
              +1
              You have already read Article 245 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation. Animal abuse?
              those. cruelty is to drive away a flock of dogs from the house and in general from the quarter, so that they would not bite someone and, God forbid, tear them (a child, for example) .. this is cruel treatment. Well, collect all the stray dogs in a row, settle them at your place. what are the problems? By the way... there used to be services dealing specifically with the capture of stray dogs and their disposal. They say it is now. But apparently they don't work. Will you sue them too?
              It's good that your comment is direct evidence of your illegal actions.
              already sued?
              for which responsibility must follow.
              Or maybe the responsibility should be borne by those utilities that receive money from taxes, to which citizens turn with statements to restore order, and those (services) simply put a bolt on citizens? BUT!? Are you one of them by any chance? Who receive money but do not want to move and are looking for extreme? For example, citizens who see that the authorities are not moving and are somehow trying to protect themselves and others? Not?? Too difficult? I understand .. it’s easier to label succumbing to emotions (by the way, emotions are derivatives of instincts) And if you are such a specialist in animal behavior (which is a big doubt), then you should know that the basic instincts are the same for mammals (you know who they are wink ?) Animals, what's for people. Only people grow among people. They go to school, universities, and live in society. But some upright walkers, despite all this, continue to be guided by emotions (that is, by instincts) through life ...
              1. Sharky
                Sharky 4 December 2022 08: 48
                -1
                those. cruelty is to drive away a flock of dogs from the house and in general from the quarter, so that they would not bite someone and, God forbid, tear them (a child, for example) .. this is cruel treatment. Well, collect all the stray dogs in a row, settle them at your place. what are the problems? By the way... there used to be services dealing specifically with the capture of stray dogs and their disposal.

                I see that you are directly allergic to the phrase gas spray, do not want to notice it, even though two people have already written to you about it?
                Thank God, now homeless animals are not caught to be killed by a painful death by supplying exhaust gases to the KUNG of a car. Now they are sterilized and put a tag on their ear. The people who came up with this are much educated and understand the nature of animal behavior.
                already sued?

                I cherish the hope that you yourself are aware of the inferiority of your behavior. I am very kind and equally love both animals and people, even those who are lost in their reasoning and do not understand the laws of being.
                BUT!? Are you one of them by any chance? Who receive money but do not want to move and are looking for extreme?

                I am a sailor and work in my specialty. I know very well what a person is capable of. We periodically hold courses on environmental protection, we install the latest equipment on ships to preserve nature, we do not throw plastic overboard, we sort garbage with its subsequent delivery to the shore, the same with fuel and lubricants. We try to preserve nature for future generations. At home, I also sort garbage and put plastic in special containers for recycling. I take used batteries to a collection point. How do you conserve nature by shooting animals? You can blame utilities, power, the devil and God for a long time ... but a wise decision is to start with yourself.
    3. Lykases1
      Lykases1 3 December 2022 06: 31
      +3
      You're right. It is in the pillow, and, we defend ourselves with it. For if the attacker suffers, the troubles will be obligatory and incalculable.
      1. shtatsov
        shtatsov 3 December 2022 12: 05
        +1
        So he will say that he generally passed by, and you attacked him with a pillow and inflicted injuries that discredit his honor and dignity!
    4. Sharky
      Sharky 3 December 2022 08: 05
      -13
      It would be time to move from a ban on pneumatics to a ban on everything sharp and piercing.
      The right to use needles, knives, axes, cleavers, crowbars, irons and other trifles must be licensed ... God forbid, people will start to misuse ... and most importantly, what is the source of income for the treasury ... Golden Klondike. .. turn around mo

      I see sarcasm in your words. The adherents of the “short-barrel” have already thrown pluses in your pocket for self-defense (and not only them).
      Do you read fresh news? Here the other day a 66-year-old pensioner shot three people in Krymsk. The court lost to his wife and son and flunked three innocent people, then he shot himself.
      https://v1.ru/text/incidents/2022/11/25/71844641/

      And he was also a law-abiding and respectable citizen:
      - Since 2019, he has been the owner of the VPO-209 smoothbore gun. The permit issued to him expired in 2024. Never before has Zhirov been in the field of view of law enforcement agencies,” State Duma deputy Alexander Khinshtein wrote in his Telegram channel.

      Therefore, only prohibitions. Looks like our society is not yet ready either for a short barrel, or even for owning a smooth-bore gun, which you can’t hide in your pocket. There is at least a chance to run away from such a citizen, seeing him with a weapon in his hands from afar. I won’t even write about idiots who shoot pneumatics at swans, ducks, stray cats and dogs.
      1. Lech from Android.
        Lech from Android. 3 December 2022 09: 04
        +3
        I’m not an adherent of a short barrel, I also see sarcasm in your words ... but even those who, on duty, have firearms also use them for other purposes ... I won’t give you examples yourself, crossbows, drunken shooting, hunting and then.
        Seeing this, you also think how not to fall under his distribution.
        So do not la la in the direction of law-abiding citizens.
        Exceptions happen in any system.
        1. Sharky
          Sharky 3 December 2022 09: 17
          -9
          but even those who, on duty, have firearms also use them for other purposes ...

          The Security Forces have much higher control over their weapons (turning them in after the order and counting the cartridges), their state of health, both moral and physical, than for an ordinary citizen. Therefore, your hypothesis treacherously crashed against the rocks of reality. There are exceptions, but on the street I will turn to a man in uniform for help, rather than to a grandfather with a gun at the ready.
          1. faiver
            faiver 3 December 2022 12: 12
            +2
            and do you meet many grandfathers with guns on the street? One chance in a thousand, but to meet a drug addict, just a scumbag, a pack of stray aggressive dogs, a company of tipsy gopniks 50 to 50 ...
      2. garri-lin
        garri-lin 3 December 2022 09: 19
        +7
        Do you even understand how pathetic your argument sucked out of your finger sounds ????
        If the pensioner you mentioned had not had a smoothbore, he would have attacked people with a kitchen knife. If there was a ban on kitchen knives in the country, he would use a dumbbell. Or a nightstand. Or dug up a cobblestone in the garden. Should we ban furniture? Will we ban gardens????
        The heat of passion. It wasn't the smoothbore that persuaded the man to shoot. This person applied what he considered convenient.
        It's not about weapons and not about mentality. The point is the mental state of one, specifically taken individual, on whose act you are trying to build theories
        1. Sharky
          Sharky 3 December 2022 16: 26
          -3
          Do you even understand how pathetic your argument sucked out of your finger sounds ????
          If the pensioner you mentioned had not had a smoothbore, he would have attacked people with a kitchen knife.

          If you equate firearms with cold weapons, then you have problems with understanding.
          1. garri-lin
            garri-lin 3 December 2022 17: 07
            0
            What difference does it make how the victim was killed?
        2. Eule
          Eule 3 December 2022 19: 57
          +1
          Quote: garri-lin
          If the pensioner you mentioned did not have a smoothbore, he

          I would remember the school lessons of chemistry and physics. Combat gases, ODAB and much more are much more dangerous for third parties.
          Moreover, ODAB can be made with a few grams of metal and carried through these damned frames anywhere.
          Therefore, allowing pistols will strengthen society by creating a threat to thieves and swindlers without endangering outsiders.
          1. garri-lin
            garri-lin 3 December 2022 21: 59
            +5
            A full-fledged generation has grown up that does not know what self-discipline in handling weapons is. In the same 70s, teenagers of 14 years old quietly went hunting with 16 calibers. I just don’t trust the modern Tiktoker. Or he will drop on his leg or hurt someone.
            The culture of handling dangerous objects needs to be improved. Self-discipline.
            My son is 9 years old. From 40 meters from small things it falls into a bottle. Not with every cartridge and from the stop, but it hits.
      3. Kote Pan Kokhanka
        Kote Pan Kokhanka 3 December 2022 11: 48
        +15
        The key word is "cats"!
        Our person. laughing
        For me personally, airguns are of value only as an application to my hobbies with wood and to preserve the skills of owning short-barreled combat weapons.


        Old izhiks which I made butts of wood.

        .And this is a chronometer, so as not to break the law.
        [/ Center]
        This is the shooting range in the garage where I practice before taking tests.
        And now seriously, I posted all this not to brag to comrades. The guys know about my hobbies. The problem is different. By creating obstacles in the pneumatic cluster of weapons, the state loses the potential opportunity to get a conscript trained in the military service. Thus, we reduce the mobilization potential of the country. Sounds loud, but alas, I'm not exaggerating. A teenager, a young man, a man must possess and be able to protect his home. If he has such an opportunity, he will be motivated to fight for his country, have a family, raise children, etc. The logical chain can be continued indefinitely.
      4. filibuster
        filibuster 3 December 2022 12: 22
        +4
        the adherents of the “short-barrel” have already thrown pluses in your pocket for self-defense (and not only them).


        I am not a particular adept of firearms, but I wonder why, when they say in the news what a depressive and even repressive US state is, how citizens are oppressed there, but you can buy a wide range of firearms from pistols to 20 mm anti-materiel sniper rifles from us even more and more prohibitions and obstacles even to the possession of public weapons.
        Even in any Czech Republic, citizens are allowed to own short-barreled firearms and concealed carry.
        But do we have different people or something, or will we immediately start killing each other or will we go to overthrow the government?
        1. Sharky
          Sharky 4 December 2022 08: 23
          -2
          however, you can buy a wide range of firearms from them from pistols to 20 mm anti-materiel sniper rifles, while we even have more and more prohibitions and obstacles even on the possession of public weapons

          That is precisely why in the United States the police without talking put the entire store into the next passerby because he did not twitch during the arrest. And we have the police talking / persuading and, as a last resort, shooting in the legs. After all, the detainee does not always deserve death without trial or investigation.
          And what will the “short-barrel” in your pocket give you when they come up to you from the back and hit the top of your head with something heavy, and when you wake up (if you wake up), it turns out that with your weapon a raid was made on the bank and from your “short-barrel » already put a few people in the bank?
      5. Pushkar
        Pushkar 3 December 2022 19: 58
        0
        Quote: Sharky
        Looks like our society is not ready yet

        And in most countries that were previously part of the USSR - is it ready? In Latvia, Lithuania, Estonia, Moldova - is it ready? And we are not ready. That's how bad we are.
        1. Sharky
          Sharky 4 December 2022 09: 01
          -2
          And in most countries that were previously part of the USSR - is it ready? In Latvia, Lithuania, Estonia, Moldova - is it ready? And we are not ready. That's how bad we are.

          We must first start with ourselves. So everyone is willing to see a speck in someone else's eye, but not to notice the beam in his own. First, put things in order at home, and then be an example for other states.
    5. TELEMARK
      TELEMARK 3 December 2022 08: 49
      +2
      I just wanted to + put - but no - I haven’t commented for a long time, well, well - let it be so. I agree completely, I myself have long wanted some hatsan with a gas spring, but .... I changed my mind!
    6. Dead duck
      Dead duck 3 December 2022 14: 49
      +1
      Restrictions have existed for a long time, and a ban (as you put it) if you go beyond certain limits and do not fulfill the conditions.
      And 7.5 J for ordinary airs, as well as up to 25 J for hunting ones, is no secret to anyone.
      PS restrictions even in Paintball exist (for normal organizers) no more than 150-170 m / s, and then if an adequate shooter. And then there were cases when a ball from a tuned barrel pierced the cheek and knocked out a tooth (it could have been worse).
      1. Bormanxnumx
        Bormanxnumx 3 December 2022 23: 44
        0
        Quote: Deadush
        restrictions even in Paintball exist (for normal organizers) no more than 150-170 m / s, and then if an adequate shooter. And then there were cases when a ball from a tuned barrel pierced the cheek and knocked out a tooth (it could have been worse).

        The speed of 170m / s is in airsoft, in paintball they usually wind up about 90-100m / s.
  2. Li17
    Li17 3 December 2022 07: 01
    +5
    I have an ambivalent attitude .... I live in the village, and until I bought pneumatics I put things in order near the yard, crows have not been flying for years (the bird couldn’t go out because of them) and stray dogs (including neighbors) why then they became educated, well, these are those who remained alive! I know a couple more people, one even went berserk when the cats put all of his chicken stock (more than 40 heads, I hope you understand what it means for the farm), thrashed everything that ran through! At one time he was a hunter, but after moving from the free steppes of Kazakhstan, in these places to chase a hare and ask him for permission .... Well, on the other hand, there are stupid people for whom there is clearly no elementary respect for another, and even if grab a shooter ... Also need an approach. And given the complete absence of precinct officers in real life ...., and the unwillingness of others to get involved!
    1. Region-25.rus
      Region-25.rus 3 December 2022 09: 59
      +3
      and not the desire of others to contact!
      there is no reluctance, but rather the fear of grabbing the article yourself. Some kind of idiot will throw himself at you, and you "exceed the measures of self-defense" and then prove that you are not a camel ...
      1. Li17
        Li17 3 December 2022 10: 11
        +3
        Quote: Region-25.rus
        there is no reluctance, but rather the fear of grabbing the article yourself. Some kind of idiot will throw himself at you, and you "exceed the measures of self-defense" and then prove that you are not a camel ...

        You're right. Even the police don't really want to pack the brawler anymore. As I noticed, fools, the sick and the like live well with us. Therefore, I used this in my local life, told everyone that I was so ... bad, and lo and behold, everyone began to respect me!
    2. Sharky
      Sharky 4 December 2022 08: 31
      -1
      I live in the village, and until I bought pneumatics I didn’t put things in order near the yard, crows haven’t been flying for many years (the bird couldn’t go out because of them) and stray dogs (including neighbors) for some reason became educated, well, this those who survived!

      It is a pity that you only had enough knowledge to shoot animals, because you did not even try to understand the nature of animal behavior and organize engineering barriers from them as an option. It was you who invaded their kingdom and their lives, not they invaded you. Your behavior only once again proves the axiom: man is the most cruel animal on Earth.
  3. yuriy55
    yuriy55 3 December 2022 07: 17
    +8
    Again - great! How the state builds prohibitions for citizens, why and how to deal with it...
    First, we must understand that in the state, adequately thinking people who do not live in a separately created little world on a rather good salary should pass laws. To pass a law against "something" you need to face this "something" in your daily life DAILY!!!
    Here you are - those who answered the topic, gave examples or hinted at such cases, and in the life of a deputy of the State Duma, in the worst case, only an illegally shot moose in the trunk of a car can appear.
    And in our lives of ordinary citizens, there are not only inadequate citizens who react painfully to remarks about the inadmissibility of lighting fires anywhere using trees that have fallen under the (axe) hand, but also “happy” dog owners who look tenderly like a “girl” or The “boy” sprinkles the footpath with “peas” (daily and several times) or simply lays out the “heap” under the feet of passers-by, not caring about its disposal, and on the proposal to clean up after the dog, they begin to “turn on the eccentric” ... And there are also lovers beer gatherings under the windows ... Smokers who understand that compliance with the law on the prohibition of smoking (for example, in the entrances of apartment buildings) is entrusted to citizens ...
    Why, in this case, not to pick up a non-prohibited object and perform an action from it that does not fall under the article of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation (possibly - difficult to prove).
    As long as there is a law in the country that the drawbar will be forbidden to everyone who cannot oppose anything ...
    What a wonderful life she is! fellow
    It has been demonstrated to you for thirty years, and attempts to find a compromise in a state where the law is determined by MONEY do not stop ...
    And you don’t even have a clue about the happiness of shooting a crow sitting on a tree from a gun through a car window !!! And then say something like this:
    1. Lech from Android.
      Lech from Android. 3 December 2022 09: 08
      0
      Right now your video will be removed. smile grossly viral.
  4. faiver
    faiver 3 December 2022 08: 05
    +3
    On the one hand, it will guarantee the safety of citizens
    - will not
  5. t200404
    t200404 3 December 2022 08: 46
    +3
    Good pneumatics is interesting + it was convenient for me to train in the yard for standing shooting, and rodents can be thinned out (I use gamo).
  6. Nikolaevich I
    Nikolaevich I 3 December 2022 08: 52
    +6
    There is an anecdote from the times of the Second World War ... When a certain person asked a neighbor working at a bed factory to "take out" a crib (a child was born to a brow! And not a damn thing in stores ...) ... Well, the neighbor "sympathized" .. .Then, the people were persistently interested in the neighbor ...: what did he "take out", that no matter how he assembled the "crib", the machine gun always turned out! That's about how it is happening in Russia now! Whatever sports equipment you bring "from abroad", everything in Russia becomes a means of lethal force! belay What is there to talk about something shooting when even a baseball bat becomes a club, and a kitchen knife from Finland is a combat Finnish!? request Did you buy a sports crossbow? Down with the plastic "arc"! Now put the "spring"! Chinese slingshot with one "elastic band"? Few! "Let's sip" 4 ! Gas pistol ? At the "pike" command, my desire, it will be a bullet! English tank WW1 breaks through! And why is pneumatics "worse"? You just bring it into the country and allow it to be sold in stores! After a while, the "air", with a slight movement of the hand, will turn into something like that!

    1. Lech from Android.
      Lech from Android. 3 December 2022 09: 09
      +2
      I have not yet seen this miracle of weapon thought in the photo. belay
      Where were they dug?
      1. acetophenone
        acetophenone 3 December 2022 09: 32
        +6
        Manual high pressure pump and ... barrel.
        1. Nikolaevich I
          Nikolaevich I 3 December 2022 13: 42
          +3
          Quote: acetophenon
          Manual high pressure pump and ... barrel.

          You are close to the truth! wink
      2. Nikolaevich I
        Nikolaevich I 3 December 2022 13: 40
        +3
        Quote: Lech from Android.
        This is a miracle of weapons thought in the photo ...
        Where were they dug?

        Duc, this is a 19th century air machine gun! fellow Didn't you know? wink
        1. Catfish
          Catfish 3 December 2022 14: 37
          +7
          Volodya, hello! smile

          I once dug up a pneumatic copy of the Mauser 98k in good condition in the museum's storeroom, they were made by the Czechs for the Hitler Youth, you could even attach a bayonet. The "four" shot was ideal for shooting - it was on the spot for a crow, only feathers flew. good

          After a week of application in the monastery, this phrase was born:
          "We have crows after ten in the morning do not fly" bully
          1. Nikolaevich I
            Nikolaevich I 3 December 2022 18: 50
            +3
            Be healthy, Konstantin! In the "ranks" of the Airgans, you can find many interesting samples! It would be worth talking about this; but ... with "feeling, sense, arrangement"! And now there is no time for this! Unless to show a couple of ordinary "vesch"!

            PneumoMaxim (Peekaboo)

            PneumoDP-27 (Peekaboo)

            Airsoft MG-42
            1. Catfish
              Catfish 3 December 2022 19: 41
              +2
              I did not find machine guns, but there are a couple of pneumatic guns. wink
              Marine 10,5 inch air gun.

              Land-based 2,5-inch gun that used a powder gas generator for firing. Nearby are depicted an elongated feathered projectile to it and a powder bomb, which serves as a source of energy.
              1. Nikolaevich I
                Nikolaevich I 3 December 2022 20: 29
                +2

                Yes ... this is a Sims-Dunley gun! Originally there was a Dunley gun ...

                A very interesting idea! When I first got acquainted with this principle, I thought about where else to apply it ... Something "snapped" in my head, but I don't remember anything specifically ... hi
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                  1. Nikolaevich I
                    Nikolaevich I 3 December 2022 21: 46
                    +2
                    Well, this will somehow be more reliable for "anti-inspiration"! winked If this "non-apple" had fallen on Einstein's head in time, then perhaps there would not have been a nuclear scarecrow now ... request

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                      1. Nikolaevich I
                        Nikolaevich I 3 December 2022 22: 37
                        +3
                        Quote: Sea Cat
                        Augalo is just on business, otherwise they would have been eaten a long time ago

                        It is possible! But as they say, "a holy place is never empty"! Come up with something else; but at least without radioactive "sunburn"!
                      2. Catfish
                        Catfish 3 December 2022 22: 44
                        +1
                        Yeah, like in the old joke: "Well, I didn't find a stick, I sold it with a brick." wink laughing
                      3. Nikolaevich I
                        Nikolaevich I 3 December 2022 22: 54
                        +2
                        The main thing is to do everything right! wink And on time!
                      4. Catfish
                        Catfish 4 December 2022 00: 12
                        +1
                        I found here a couple more pictures about how to use the brush. I won't post it, they'll immediately ban me. laughing
                      5. ArchiPhil
                        ArchiPhil 4 December 2022 16: 39
                        +2
                        Quote: Sea Cat
                        I won't post, they'll ban me right away

                        It's too late, amigo! bully Women let you down! Oh, my friend. recourse
                      6. Catfish
                        Catfish 5 December 2022 15: 19
                        +1
                        That's it, I've already been washed and I'm with you again. smile
                      7. Bad_gr
                        Bad_gr 3 December 2022 22: 51
                        +3
                        Oooooh ... I played this game, only there were no bricks, but there were 3 cans, on top of each other. A lot of sweat has been shed over this case...
                      8. Nikolaevich I
                        Nikolaevich I 4 December 2022 00: 14
                        +1
                        By the way, a very interesting man's game! It develops both physically and the eye well! And the "inventory" was often made by ourselves! Once upon a time, in city parks they even organized competitions for the "city championship"! Alas ... now "Russianness" does not seem to be in fashion ...
        2. Lech from Android.
          Lech from Android. 3 December 2022 15: 28
          +1
          Live and learn. smile
          Sorry...didn't know.
          1. Nikolaevich I
            Nikolaevich I 3 December 2022 16: 43
            +4
            Quote: Lech from Android.
            Live and learn.
            Sorry...didn't know.

            Yes, what is there! I should also say: "Mil's sorry, shovni panova!" For this is a pneumatic "machine gun" of Baron Fleetwood arr. 1846. (Sweden)...
  7. Vladimir-TTT
    Vladimir-TTT 3 December 2022 09: 32
    +6
    If you are a little ironic about prohibitions and laws, then first of all you should pay attention to the power of those who hold and adopt laws.
    There are some ostentatious trials for a killed elk or a downed pedestrian - but this, at best, is only a few percent of all downed pedestrians and fatal car accidents - it's no secret that they are the main violators of traffic rules - that's just the media about it can't speak.
    Shooting in reserves, Red Book animals - the same for this circle of people is a common activity. Sometimes, when drunk, they fall into the waterfall. or helicopter accidents happen.
    So, worrying about them, our "servants of the people" at the time they have "immunity" in relation to the laws they adopt, they should be banned:
    - own cars
    - drive cars
    There are state cars, there are drivers. He doesn’t need to drive himself, he doesn’t need to drive on his own, but he doesn’t need to drive at all when he’s drunk.
    - own a weapon
    - shoot weapons
    They won't go to war anyway, they'll find thousands of ways to get away with it. Here will lose "immunity" (suddenly))) - then please.

    After that, it is possible for citizens to establish bans.
  8. hhurik
    hhurik 3 December 2022 09: 54
    +8
    Quote: Sharky
    Yes, stray dogs shooed when they started to borzet (they squealed loudly and were very unhappy)

    Yes, you are a typical liveer! Shoot at stray dogs, realizing that a pneumatic bullet gets stuck under the animal's skin, which the animal itself will never pull out. That is, the wound will hurt and not heal, it will fester ... Do you definitely need to ban any pneumatics and register you in a psychiatric dispensary or where are they treated for livelihood?
    In our city, often the same as you walk and shoot swans and ducks with pneumatics on city reservoirs. Therefore, yes, many do not understand that pneumatics is exclusively shooting at paper targets, the law needs to be tightened in order to save nature from people like you. am

    1. Region-25.rus
      Region-25.rus 3 December 2022 12: 23
      +4
      Thanks comrade! Straight to the point about the Hound of the Baskervilles))) hi good
    2. Kote Pan Kokhanka
      Kote Pan Kokhanka 3 December 2022 20: 41
      +1
      Quote: hhurik
      Quote: Sharky
      Yes, stray dogs shooed when they started to borzet (they squealed loudly and were very unhappy)

      Yes, you are a typical liveer! Shoot at stray dogs, realizing that a pneumatic bullet gets stuck under the animal's skin, which the animal itself will never pull out. That is, the wound will hurt and not heal, it will fester ... Do you definitely need to ban any pneumatics and register you in a psychiatric dispensary or where are they treated for livelihood?
      In our city, often the same as you walk and shoot swans and ducks with pneumatics on city reservoirs. Therefore, yes, many do not understand that pneumatics is exclusively shooting at paper targets, the law needs to be tightened in order to save nature from people like you. am


      Uh-huh, only the breakfast of the Hound of the Baskervilles is kind of skinny. More like skinny... wassat
  9. PPD
    PPD 3 December 2022 10: 36
    +2
    How does the title relate to the text?
    What about Bangladesh?
    Technically, pneumatic weapons cannot be considered firearms.

    It is a masterpiece! bully Indeed, who would have thought!
    But some of its types can be equated to firearms in terms of the damage that they are capable of bringing.
    what kind of types can be compared in damage with the same AK?
    Gama 1250? laughing
    1. Eule
      Eule 3 December 2022 20: 02
      0
      Quote: PPD
      Technically, pneumatic weapons cannot be considered firearms.
      It is a masterpiece! bully Indeed, well, who would have thought

      And the British thought!
      And they banned CO2 pneumatics for shooting competitions, on the basis that CO2 is part of the powder gases.
      1. PPD
        PPD 3 December 2022 21: 46
        0
        And the British thought!

        The logic of the English is a separate issue.
        Like the laws in the US
  10. bk0010
    bk0010 3 December 2022 11: 14
    +4
    The bans have arrived! How did we live without these prohibitions before? Should be banned. Adopt a law that any deputy who proposes to ban something or introduce regulation should be immediately hanged, and only then his proposal can be considered. Then they will begin to take a more responsible attitude towards curtailing the rights of the people.
  11. KSVK
    KSVK 3 December 2022 11: 52
    +4
    Quote: Sharky
    The Security Forces have much higher control over their weapons (turning them in after the order and counting the cartridges), their state of health, both moral and physical, than for an ordinary citizen.

    Gee. Tell this to Major Yevsyukov, who shot people in the supermarket with a service pistol.
  12. Duncan
    Duncan 3 December 2022 12: 04
    +3
    Prohibitions and restrictions in countries with a very high population density. It's just that wherever you shoot, you can easily hit a person.
    (In Singapore, Bangladesh, more than 1000 people per 1 sq. km.)
    Damage from a thrown stone is no less.
    PCP rifles are expensive, require cylinders, high-pressure compressors, and you won't shoot much with them.
    Psychos somewhere get firearms.
  13. hhurik
    hhurik 3 December 2022 13: 11
    0
    Quote: KSVK
    Quote: Sharky
    The Security Forces have much higher control over their weapons (turning them in after the order and counting the cartridges), their state of health, both moral and physical, than for an ordinary citizen.

    Gee. Tell this to Major Yevsyukov, who shot people in the supermarket with a service pistol.

    Lies are blatant fellow He had a hodgepodge, which has been on the wanted list since 2000 through the IC UVDT.
  14. dokazhichtonrkirpich
    dokazhichtonrkirpich 3 December 2022 20: 53
    0
    All this, of course, is entertaining, only the one who wants to find a firearm and so on, and the law is not written for him. As for those who are kicked by a crowd of one. It doesn't change anything, a drunk gets behind the wheel and kills people, a drunk takes a kitchen knife and kills people. You can’t resurrect people, he will serve time and leave. But getting a license is another feeder for officials. Oh you guys are naive. BAN PEOPLE IN GENERAL, IF IN FACT YOU ARE NOT THE AUTHORITY, BUT YOU KNOW WHO.
  15. cat Rusich
    cat Rusich 4 December 2022 19: 00
    +1
    Girardoni rifle, Austria 1779, in service 1780-1815.
    According to the charter, each shooter was supposed to have 3 cylinders (filled) - 2 spare and 1 attached to the gun. Also relied on a manual pneumatic pump, a lead bucket, 100 bullets - 1 bullet in the barrel, 19 in the store, 80 in 4 stores (tin tube - 20 bullets)
    Just for general information reading the article ...
    hi
  16. Acpirin
    Acpirin 5 December 2022 14: 03
    0
    I would like more materials on pneumatics, interesting enough for an ordinary citizen, without access to a firearm
  17. Berkut752
    Berkut752 10 January 2023 18: 29
    0
    Lech from Android. You are laughing in vain, forks and can openers should also fall under licensing. The commission must be held every year, and preferably every month.
  18. Igor1915
    Igor1915 20 January 2023 13: 37
    0
    I took a gamo about 10 years ago, specially picked up a manlicher similar in weight - to train a stance, plus you can shoot at rodents.
  19. mongolian9999
    mongolian9999 22 January 2023 11: 15
    0
    Violators must be dealt with not by tougher laws, but by the inevitability of punishment. Otherwise, many "smart" people will perceive the law as a game in which you need to find hidden Easter eggs.