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French developers refused to lighten the hull and began to book a promising aircraft carrier

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French developers refused to lighten the hull and began to book a promising aircraft carrier

Model of a promising aircraft carrier PANG



The French defense industry, within the framework of the PANG project, is working on the creation of a promising aircraft carrier and at the same time a new flagship of the country's Navy, the construction of which is expected to begin in 2025.

In particular, the ship must receive ballistic protection. The country's General Directorate of Armaments (DGA) has published footage of the first tests of the new armor.

By firing ammunition at targets that mimic ship hull protection, this testing allows for design refinement and shielding development to provide the best countermeasures.

- indicated on the DGA website.

At the same time, strength characteristics of horizontal floors are being tested. On November 15, DGA demonstrated footage of a pyrotechnic charge detonating on a structure that simulates the flight deck of the operating aircraft carrier Charles de Gaulle.



This first small-scale test will evaluate the effects on a ship of a possible crash of a combat aircraft or an explosion while transporting ammunition.

- noted in the DGA.

Judging by the ongoing tests, the French developers, when creating a promising aircraft carrier, intend to go their own way, deviating from the general trend of maximizing hull lightening and, for the first time after World War II, starting to armor large ships.

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  1. Aerodrome
    Aerodrome 25 November 2022 12: 34
    -2
    French developers refused to lighten the hull and began to book a promising aircraft carrier
    the fate of "Moscow" was the reason .. I think so.
    1. Cheshire
      Cheshire 25 November 2022 12: 48
      +5
      Isn't it more logical to develop missile defense and fire extinguishing means in connection with the fate of "Moscow"?
      1. Myths
        Myths 25 November 2022 13: 20
        +4
        It is logical to go either way. They left dreadnoughts just because of the speed of ships, firepower and because of the price of such ships. Hanging dynamic protection will turn an aircraft carrier into a slow turtle. True, such ships do not go unaccompanied. It was only Moscow that could be framed like that.
      2. dnestr74
        dnestr74 25 November 2022 13: 26
        +5
        Not a single missile defense will give 100 percent, and fragments of a downed missile are very dangerous
        1. ProkletyiPirat
          ProkletyiPirat 25 November 2022 17: 19
          0
          what are the dangerous fragments? if you shoot down a missile at a sufficient range, then they will go down or to the side, simply due to a violation of aerodynamics, the anti-ship missile hull will turn around and begin to sharply slow down, unless purely ballistic missiles deviate their course, but they are detectable much earlier and shoot them down much easier. ..
      3. Alex_Rarog
        Alex_Rarog 25 November 2022 14: 28
        +1
        I agree) Any modern rocket or torpedo makes booking meaningless, because for it it's like foil.
        1. ProkletyiPirat
          ProkletyiPirat 25 November 2022 17: 22
          +2
          Quote: Alex_Rarog
          Any modern rocket or torpedo makes armor meaningless, because for it it is like foil.

          You are right, but the main point is not this, but the fact that any increase in armor is absolutely meaningless because it is countered by armor-piercing modifications of missiles / torpedoes / drones \ etc....

          moreover, the cost of modifying means of destruction is many orders of magnitude less than the modification of means of armor protection.
        2. Romario_Argo
          Romario_Argo 25 November 2022 19: 18
          +4
          and if, in addition to 100 mm armor, put 3 PTZ compartments with 3 bulkheads of 50 mm armor
          = 250 mm almost like Iowa
          + add 500 mm ceramics - at least silicon carbide,
          equivalent as 2 meters of armor steel, weight as 100 mm armor steel per 1 sq.m.
          = 2250 mm - from BB, OF - without taking into account the slope of the reservation (up to + 30% 2925 mm)
          or 750 mm from cumulatives
          + 3 PTZ compartments of 3,5 meters each = 10,5 meters - the jet will collapse in the 1st
      4. bk0010
        bk0010 25 November 2022 20: 42
        +5
        Quote: Cheshire
        Isn't it more logical to develop missile defense and fire extinguishing means in connection with the fate of "Moscow"?
        An aircraft carrier should be able to keep the explosion of its fueled and armed aircraft on deck (McCain is dead, but his work lives on). So that the same fire extinguishing means are not destroyed by the explosion.
        1. Chief Officer Lom
          Chief Officer Lom 27 November 2022 10: 49
          0
          Yes, I think everything will eventually be limited to strengthening the upper deck.
    2. Real Pilot
      Real Pilot 25 November 2022 12: 54
      +5
      The appearance of sea drones in the image and likeness of "Mikola 3", for example. Which work like a firewall ... Well, anti-ship missiles too.

      And in the case of booking - after being hit by a drone, they grimaced, and then went for painting ...
    3. Evil 55
      Evil 55 25 November 2022 14: 21
      -2
      Well, what ... The Russians will help, they are kind and naive .. They will supply metal, copper, gas, saltpeter, rare earth elements, etc. for construction ... And then the Americans will present this aircraft carrier to UKRAINE for the evil of Russia. hi
    4. ilya.muromczev2013
      ilya.muromczev2013 26 November 2022 04: 56
      0
      And what about Moscow? First of all, we are talking about armoring the DECK of an aircraft carrier, and not about the entire hull. Moscow is not an example here. Rather, even then it is necessary to recall the Falklands conflict, when an Argentinean (aka French) unexploded missile disabled an English destroyer, simply breaking through its side ...
    5. Herman 4223
      Herman 4223 26 November 2022 19: 17
      0
      There was a fire in Moscow, then they would need to develop the latest fire extinguishing systems, and not armor the hull.
  2. Bingo
    Bingo 25 November 2022 12: 47
    +2
    So I didn’t understand, do they book the hull or the take-off?
    1. Alex777
      Alex777 25 November 2022 22: 42
      +1
      Quote from Bingo
      So I didn’t understand, do they book the hull or the take-off?

      The correct question! hi
  3. Andrey Moskvin
    Andrey Moskvin 25 November 2022 12: 55
    0
    Everything is coming back... We are waiting for new dreadnoughts.
  4. paul3390
    paul3390 25 November 2022 12: 57
    +4
    Let's say on Onyx - a head of 300 kg, but on supersonic .. Well, what kind of armor? Moreover - one hell of an armored belt like old battleships will not work. Yes, and you can’t cover the entire filling of a modern steamer with an armored belt.
    1. Sergey Aleksandrovich
      Sergey Aleksandrovich 25 November 2022 13: 39
      +11
      The body can be very complex, with many cavities. Each cavity can be protected as far as possible.

      And not all threats are as scary as Onyx. You also need to defend yourself from long-range artillery, and from kamikaze drones.
      1. paul3390
        paul3390 25 November 2022 14: 09
        0
        If all the cavities are protected, then there will be nothing left for the payload .. And from artillery and drones, the aircraft carrier should be protected by an escort, because that’s why it is dragging behind it?
        1. Sergey Aleksandrovich
          Sergey Aleksandrovich 25 November 2022 14: 19
          +4
          No escort will protect against very long-range artillery now. Shoot back and disappear over the horizon. And hull protection can be tricky, of course there will be a balance between payload and armor. Categories like "everything", "nothing left", "escort must protect" are all extremes.
          1. ProkletyiPirat
            ProkletyiPirat 25 November 2022 17: 31
            +2
            what the hell is "art VS aircraft carrier"? fool an aircraft carrier always keeps at a distance of tens and hundreds of kilometers from the coast, the maximum that threatens this is the MLRS and then not the classic "blanks" but "smart" ones, that is, available for shipborne air defense / missile defense systems.
            1. Sergey Aleksandrovich
              Sergey Aleksandrovich 25 November 2022 17: 45
              +2
              The range of modern artillery is measured in tens of kilometers.
              1. ROSS_51
                ROSS_51 25 November 2022 18: 10
                +1
                Quote: Sergey Alexandrovich
                The range of modern artillery is measured in tens of kilometers.

                What kind of artillery? Are you stuck in the last century? Remember about battleships.
                1. Sergey Aleksandrovich
                  Sergey Aleksandrovich 25 November 2022 18: 34
                  +3
                  It still needs to be seen who and where is stuck. The "Coalition-SV" has a declared firing range of 70 km, albeit with an active projectile.
                  1. ROSS_51
                    ROSS_51 25 November 2022 19: 06
                    -1
                    Quote: Sergey Alexandrovich
                    It still needs to be seen who and where is stuck. The "Coalition-SV" has a declared firing range of 70 km, albeit with an active projectile.

                    I didn’t say anything about the last century in vain, you probably didn’t hear about the Bastions?
                    1. Alex777
                      Alex777 25 November 2022 22: 47
                      -1
                      Have you heard of mopeds? Range 1000 + km.
                      And in Iranian nature there are not only mopeds.
                      How will you fight off a massive UAV raid?
                      The French did not just cheer up.
                      Looking forward to more clear information. hi
                      1. ROSS_51
                        ROSS_51 26 November 2022 00: 29
                        0
                        Quote: Alex777
                        Have you heard of mopeds? Range 1000 + km.
                        And in Iranian nature there are not only mopeds.
                        How will you fight off a massive UAV raid?
                        The French did not just cheer up.
                        Looking forward to more clear information. hi

                        I asked a man about anti-ship missiles. What is it with mopeds anyway? They will saw your mopeds with Volcanoes, that's the point .. It's not interesting.
                      2. Alex777
                        Alex777 26 November 2022 02: 23
                        +1
                        There are no Volcanoes on modern ships, even among the Yankees.
                        And the French never had them.
                      3. ROSS_51
                        ROSS_51 26 November 2022 17: 00
                        0
                        Quote: Alex777
                        There are no Volcanoes on modern ships, even among the Yankees.
                        And the French never had them.

                        Then yes .. Everything is gone. The French are fools, they won’t figure out how to deal with mopeds.
                        They don’t have Russian ingenuity to put Thor on the deck of a tugboat ((
      2. Xnumx vis
        Xnumx vis 25 November 2022 14: 27
        +1
        Quote: Sergey Alexandrovich
        The body can be very complex, with many cavities. Each cavity can be protected as far as possible.

        A diamond boat is obtained ... with a platinum rim ...
        1. Sergey Aleksandrovich
          Sergey Aleksandrovich 25 November 2022 14: 36
          +6
          A double hull on a conventional commercial tanker is now the norm. On the contrary, on warships, the desire for economy and simplification crossed the line of reason.
        2. ROSS_51
          ROSS_51 26 November 2022 00: 50
          +1
          Quote: 30 vis

          A diamond boat is obtained ... with a platinum rim ...

          As CBO shows, better, because cheaper does not work in modern conflict.
          A simple example is to shoot off a truck of conventional land mines (if they don’t already cover it with anti-battery fire) to destroy a single target, or release one terribly expensive Excalibur and dump it into the fog?
          1. Xnumx vis
            Xnumx vis 26 November 2022 11: 09
            +1
            Quote: ROSS_51
            one terribly expensive Excalibur and dump into the fog?

            Ammunition is understandable. Launching one expensive Krasnopol and hitting the target is cheaper than shooting a truck of conventional shells with a whole battery ... And safer .. I'm just stating the fact that weapons are becoming more and more expensive, diamond with a platinum rim .. We'll have to look for a middle ground ...
            1. ROSS_51
              ROSS_51 26 November 2022 17: 37
              0
              Quote: 30 vis
              We'll have to look for the middle ground...

              Yes, they will not look for the golden mean, they will make it expensively rich. The French (and indeed the entire Western world) have no doubts that cheap is never good.
              After all, we came up with this a long time ago and widely advertised a new combat parameter - price / quality. In battle, the truth does not help much ..
              1. Xnumx vis
                Xnumx vis 26 November 2022 20: 55
                0
                Quote: ROSS_51
                that cheap is not good.

                So it is true of life.
      3. Donbass Russia
        Donbass Russia 26 November 2022 01: 16
        0
        Light anti-ship missiles and kamikaze drones will not hit the sides, because. it does not make sense. They will hit the superstructure with its radar and aircraft on deck.
  5. Romanenko
    Romanenko 25 November 2022 13: 08
    +3
    Of course, they know better there in Paris, but if you think about it, well, what is an aircraft carrier of NATO countries - a tool for waging colonial wars, that is, against countries that do not have serious means of countering aircraft carrier groups.
    What weapons can be used in response to the bombings?
    Marine drones or something from UAVs?
    More or less serious anti-ship missiles produced in the same NATO bloc delivered to the Papuans in export version, or old ones made back in the USSR will be shot down far on the way by air defense systems of an aircraft carrier, sea drones also have little chance of success just like UAVs.
    And if the Aircraft Carrier is affected by something modern like Iskander or Dagger, nothing will save it.
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      1. ProkletyiPirat
        ProkletyiPirat 25 November 2022 17: 38
        -5
        Quote: EFIM LYUBIN
        The creation of hypersonic missiles is a funeral march for a mass grave called an aircraft carrier.

        This is populist nonsense, even subsonic anti-aircraft missiles can shoot down a hypersonic missile, you just need to work "on a collision course" that some anti-aircraft missiles are quite capable of, the only question is how good the seeker is, but even if they are bad, then you can rework the warhead of the missile defense system, which is drastically reduce the requirements for the GOS.
        1. Rasp
          Rasp 25 November 2022 18: 11
          +3
          Where and how many hypersonic missiles did you, dear, shoot down with an anti-aircraft missile or a butterfly net?
        2. ROSS_51
          ROSS_51 25 November 2022 18: 15
          +2
          Quote: ProkletyiPirat

          This is populist nonsense, even subsonic anti-aircraft missiles can shoot down a hypersonic missile, you just need to work "on a collision course" that some anti-aircraft missiles are quite capable of, the only question is how good the seeker is, but even if they are bad, then you can rework the warhead of the missile defense system, which is drastically reduce the requirements for the GOS.

          You can shoot down .. you can recycle .. One or two countries have hypersound in service, and no one has yet thought of claiming that hypersound can be shot down, but quite the opposite, everyone is creating their own at an accelerated pace. And here comes the "specialist-hyper-blower" ..
          The question is how long is the reaction time from detection to shooting down a target that has a speed of Mach 5.
          - Cuckoo cuckoo - how long do I have to live?
          -Ku..
          -What so ma ...
          1. ProkletyiPirat
            ProkletyiPirat 27 November 2022 02: 44
            0
            you seem to be another witness to the wunderwaffe ?! lol
            if you really want to calculate like that, then take it and calculate it, I just did it, that's why I know

            And yes, before declaring "already 5 Machs and their prodigy", ask at what height they are reached and what is the coefficient of speed drop in a denser atmosphere, moreover, absolute speed, not relative. After that, take an interest in the AUG / KUG formations, and the principles of decentralized air defense / missile defense. When you master this basis, your dreams of "hypersound destroying aircraft carriers" will fall apart dramatically.
        3. PPD
          PPD 26 November 2022 10: 41
          0
          subsonic anti-aircraft missiles can shoot down a hypersonic missile,

          This, excuse me, is not populist, it's just nonsense.
          Remember - to hit a target, the speed of an anti-aircraft missile must be equal to or exceed the speed of the target.
          Grandfather Neupokoev to help you. laughing
  6. evgen1221
    evgen1221 25 November 2022 13: 16
    0
    Let it float in the floating dock right away, and make a roof over it, in general, not one PKR will take it!))) The French Monsieurs know a lot about perversions.
  7. Kostadinov
    Kostadinov 25 November 2022 13: 18
    +1
    Only booking is combined with active defense or near missile defense.
  8. dnestr74
    dnestr74 25 November 2022 13: 24
    +5
    Kaptsov was read at VO, even there they listen to us ...))))
    1. smershxnumx
      smershxnumx 25 November 2022 13: 40
      +5
      Yeah, about armor - just a balm for wounds for Kaptsov fellow
  9. Sergey985
    Sergey985 25 November 2022 14: 43
    +1
    Nothing new. The fact that the French did not protect the vital zones on their aircraft carrier is purely French bungling. So there can be no talk of any exclusive French way.
  10. Boniface
    Boniface 25 November 2022 14: 51
    -1
    That bore!
    The latest armor in the Navy was used in the Orlan-type TARKR ("Kirov", "Kalinin", "Lazarev", Peter the Great) - but okay, I won’t spread where and how!


    But here! Toad-eaters decided to turn the aircraft carrier into a dreadnought of the type "Courbet" or "Republique" good
    Well done!
    The latest Project 09852 Navy nuclear submarines will turn this scrap metal into a coral reef at the bottom of the Ocean! soldier
  11. Kuroneko
    Kuroneko 25 November 2022 15: 19
    +2
    Quote: Andrey Moskvin
    Everything is coming back... We are waiting for new dreadnoughts.

    They woke up late. Zircon will also pierce Yamato. If only he were still alive today. Pure kinetics.
  12. alch3mist
    alch3mist 25 November 2022 15: 57
    0
    Quote: Evil 55
    Well, what ... The Russians will help, they are kind and naive .. They will supply metal, copper, gas, saltpeter, rare earth elements, etc. for construction ... And then the Americans will present this aircraft carrier to UKRAINE for the evil of Russia. hi

    As far as I understand, it's still in the design stage. Then how many more will build such a coffin. It is sad that such a long life is predicted for Hochland ...
  13. Alexander Emrys
    Alexander Emrys 25 November 2022 18: 01
    +2
    From heavy missiles, like Zircon, it will not cover, but some Geranium, even with a massive raid on an armored aircraft carrier, will sharply lose the percentage of the chance of success
  14. Div Divich
    Div Divich 26 November 2022 01: 24
    +1
    Drones are several times smaller and more economical than airplanes. This means that the ship for them will need to be smaller, that is, cheaper at times. And the engines are not nuclear, and the takeoff ramp is the simplest, and landing across the deck will probably work out.
    It's time to create aircraft carriers only with drones.
  15. Donbass Russia
    Donbass Russia 26 November 2022 01: 29
    0
    Booking the board will not work. Now the main anti-ship missiles for strikes on an aircraft carrier are ballistic and GPZ missiles. And they attack from above. In addition to Russia, China and Iran have such missiles. The hit of even one such missile will destroy or damage all aircraft on the upper deck and superstructure with radar and damage the deck itself, most likely either catapults or finishers. Those. aircraft will be partially destroyed, and the rest will either not be able to take off or land.
  16. Pavel57
    Pavel57 26 November 2022 01: 48
    +1
    Quote: paul3390
    Let's say on Onyx - a head of 300 kg, but on supersonic .. Well, what kind of armor? Moreover - one hell of an armored belt like old battleships will not work. Yes, and you can’t cover the entire filling of a modern steamer with an armored belt.

    Onyx is still a small ramjet rocket. One of the damaging factors was the turbojet engine, which retained high kinetic energy during the destruction of the rocket. This was also shown by Pike when firing at cruisers.
  17. Ivanov IV
    Ivanov IV 27 November 2022 09: 34
    0
    I emphasize: we are talking about aircraft carriers.
    Has it been calculated, modeled, what thickness is needed for the hull and deck? We will not go through the options, I propose to consider only the "Dagger".
    Yes, and our "morons" this question. They also want to "spend" the loot on the same shit.