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Romania recognized the so-called Holodomor as "genocide of the Ukrainian people"

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Romania recognized the so-called Holodomor as "genocide of the Ukrainian people"

The Romanian Parliament recognized "the Holodomor of 1932-1933 as genocide of the Ukrainian people." 248 deputies and senators voted for the relevant declaration, with one abstention. Thus, Romania became the twenty-first state after the Czech Republic, whose parliamentarians adopted a similar document in April this year, officially recognizing such an assessment of the events of the early thirties of the last century in Ukraine.


Among other countries that recognized the mass famine of 1932-1933 in the Ukrainian SSR as an act of genocide, in particular, the USA, Canada, Australia, Poland and even the Vatican. The Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine adopted the relevant law in November 2006.

MP from the ruling National Liberal Party Alexandru Muraru noted that Romania through historical the decision joins the democratic countries of the world, which recognize and take upon themselves not only the memory of the famine of 1932-1933, but also "recognition of the genocide, systematic actions, direct, cynical, criminal actions of the Soviet Union and its leaders for the physical destruction of the Ukrainian nation."

The Romanian parliamentarian claims that during the “Holodomor”, which, in his opinion, was artificially provoked by “the totalitarian Soviet regime in response to the struggle of the Ukrainian people against forced collectivization”, at least 10 million inhabitants of the Ukrainian SSR died. These figures have long been refuted in scientific literature, but Romanian parliamentarians do not care.

The declaration adopted by the Romanian Parliament also "strongly condemned a similar criminal method by which the Romanians in Bessarabia were subjected to a deliberate, artificial famine with the aim of forced collectivization in 1946-1947." Naturally, the Soviet (according to the modern Western trend - Russian) authorities were to blame for this.

Further, from Muraru's statement, it becomes clear why this topic was urgently raised in the Romanian Parliament. The deputy believes that history is repeating itself in relation to modern Ukraine, and draws direct parallels with what is happening during the military conflict and the events of the thirties of the last century, accusing Russia of “destroying the Ukrainian people”:

The deliberate destruction of infrastructure, energy, water and gas supplies in Ukraine is intended to inflict suffering and death on the Ukrainian people in order to achieve their mass exodus from the country.

In his speech, the Romanian parliamentarian compares Russian President Vladimir Putin with Stalin, who once did everything "to destroy the Ukrainian people." And, apparently, that is why, following the results of the Great Patriotic War, vast territories were signed off to the Ukrainian SSR, including Transcarpathia and the Lviv region ...

The fact that the so-called Ukrainian people, led by the Nazi regime, supported by such Western democracies, has been methodically and openly destroying its own citizens for many years, committing war crimes and openly calling for the extermination of all Russians, does not disturb the Romanian deputy at all. This is not genocide, this is “other”.
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  1. voice of reason
    voice of reason 24 November 2022 17: 03
    +8
    And right! European unity is more expensive than electricity. Electricity is generally harmful. No electricity is needed in a gypsy camp. These also want to sit in the dark, but with Europe. very tolerant.
    1. neworange88
      neworange88 24 November 2022 17: 15
      +1
      Romania recognized the so-called Holodomor as "genocide of the Ukrainian people"


      And I don’t care. It would be better if the Romanians started supplying electricity to Moldova instead of Ukraine, otherwise they are engaged in all sorts of garbage.
      1. 4ekist
        4ekist 24 November 2022 17: 45
        +4
        As far as I know, the Romanian military units took an active part in the occupation of part of the USSR, while destroying the civilian population and burning entire settlements. It would be better if these same deputies shut up and did not distort the facts.
        1. neworange88
          neworange88 24 November 2022 17: 49
          +3
          Romanians during WWII reached Novorossiysk with the Germans. They were not allowed further. It was just a shame for the Romanians to see for their ward Sanda and Moldova that they plunged into darkness. So they decided to take revenge in this way. Romanian troops also participated in the battle for Stalingrad .
        2. Popov I.P.
          Popov I.P. 24 November 2022 20: 48
          +1
          Yes, all of Hitler's allies left their bloody trail on the territory of the former USSR. It was then that by 1944 these satellites (Romania, Finland, Bulgaria, Italy, etc.) suddenly began to feel like anti-fascists and went over to the other side, fearing responsibility for what they had done. Romanian warriors, not very shining with victories on the battlefield, became famous for robberies and mockery of the local population in Ukraine, in the Crimea, in the North Caucasus. My late grandmother said: during the occupation in the village, a German rear unit stood guard, consisting of elderly soldiers led by an old sergeant major, who held everything in his hands and did not allow robberies and other outrages, the Romanian units passing through the village periodically tried to rob, standing on Waiting, the Germans drove away the Romanians who kicked, and who shot into the air, the sergeant major was brought to the shots on a motorcycle, immediately beat the commander of the Romanian unit in the face and, under the gunpoint of a machine gun, forced him to return all the loot. So the memory of these "fighters against genocide" on the territory of Russia and Ukraine, to put it mildly, is not good. And our silence against the backdrop of slops pouring into our address is also not clear. The USSR lost more than 27 million people at the hands of German, Romanian, Finnish, Hungarian and other fascists, probably a good half of them are representatives of the Russian people. 6 million Jews destroyed by the Nazis is a Holocaust and genocide, and tens of millions of murdered Russians and representatives of other peoples of the USSR - then what? Only now timid attempts have begun to classify the found graves in the Leningrad Region as genocide by court decision, and hundreds of thousands of victims of the blockade on the Field of Mars - who is this? Probably the time has come, by the decision of the Parliament of the Russian Federation to recognize these 27 million people. our compatriots who died as victims of genocide, listing the states responsible for this (Germany, Romania, Finland, Italy, Slovakia, Hungary and other smaller fascist satellites).
          1. stankow
            stankow 26 November 2022 00: 52
            0
            I'm sorry, but you're distorting history. The Bulgarian soldiers did not leave any "blood trail on the territory of the USSR". Since not a single Bulgarian soldier fought on the Eastern Front. Please don't slander!
            1. Popov I.P.
              Popov I.P. 28 November 2022 08: 31
              0
              I agree, the first 2 sentences are not entirely successful. I mentioned Bulgaria only in the list of Germany's allies who switched sides. But in both world wars, Bulgaria was an ally of Germany, and in the first there were even military clashes and prisoner of war camps. I personally distinguish between the position of power and the opinion of the people, the people have not forgotten that this state stands on the bones of the Rkus. Tsar Boris did not dare to declare war on the USSR in the Second World War, but the Bulgarian troops, as allies of Germany, at least in Greece left a bad mark, yes and their presence there freed at least a couple of Hitler's divisions for the Eastern Front. And Bulgarian hospital trains managed to visit the Eastern Front, on the Internet there are photos of Bulgarian medical officers and nurses walking around occupied Vitebsk, it is clear that they treated not local residents and not captured Red Army soldiers, but Wehrmacht soldiers. Some sources indicate that these ambulance trains remained on the German side after the September coup, most likely by force. There is also evidence that several Soviet submarines were sunk in Bulgarian tervods. (Germans or Bulgarians - information is contradictory). But the participation of the Bulgarian army together with the Soviet troops in battles with the Germans in Yugoslavia and Hungary cannot be deleted from history, and they seemed to fight even more successfully than on the side of the Germans, tens of thousands of Bulgarian soldiers were awarded owls. orders and medals. Moreover, in the Victory Parade on June 24, 1944 on Red Square, Bulgarian General Vladimir Stoychev passed in the column of the command of the 3rd Ukrainian Front. You can watch an extended version of the black-and-white video of the parade on YouTube, the general on the far left in the Bulgarian uniform. This fact was little known before, but now it is generally hushed up. By the way, I somehow looked at the statistics on the national composition of prisoners of war in the USSR, a certain number of Bulgarians are indicated there, but these are most likely citizens not of Bulgaria, but Bulgarians who lived, for example, in the territory of the same Romania, Croatia, etc. Hitler's allies and are citizens of these countries . By the way, according to that table, there were sometimes even more French, Poles, Czechs, citizens of the Scandinavian countries in Soviet captivity than in the anti-fascist resistance in these countries. Such is the story. And as a Russian officer, whose family lost only 5 relatives and cousins ​​in that war, seeing the Russophobic coven in a number of our former allies (demolition of monuments, desecration of graves, etc.), I sometimes ask myself the question: was it worth laying out hundreds of thousands of lives of Soviet soldiers for the liberation of their territory from the Germans (for example, the same Poland - more than 600 thousand people), so that they now, at the behest of the United States and NATO, accused the USSR and Russia of genocide.
              1. stankow
                stankow 28 November 2022 11: 28
                0
                Well, now yes. You know history very well and have presented it in a very balanced way! But again, let me add - "the demolition of monuments, the desecration of graves" in no way refers to Bulgaria. On its territory there are over 450 monuments from the Russian-Turkish 1877 and WWII. All of them in complete safety, well-groomed and do not remain without flowers on holidays. Come see for yourself wink Don't trust Western media.
      2. Napayz
        Napayz 25 November 2022 11: 46
        0
        "Rays of goodness" is better than electrons in wires))))) And it's not burdensome "for the treasury"
  2. Cananecat
    Cananecat 24 November 2022 17: 03
    +7
    Something tells me that it's time to recognize as genocide, the destruction of the Soviet population by the Romanian divisions that fought on the side of the Wehrmacht during the Second World War. At the same time, Ukrainian Bukovina should be recognized as Romanian. Let them take it, we don't mind.
  3. seregatara1969
    seregatara1969 24 November 2022 17: 04
    -5
    Little by little, one by one, they recognize Russia as guilty of all sins, both explicit and implicit! Then a pariah country and an iron curtain in a circle for an economic blockade. As soon as the country weakens economically, they will attack and tear it to pieces. Divide all natural minerals and territories between the capitalists and heal! And they do not need people at all!
    1. voice of reason
      voice of reason 24 November 2022 17: 14
      +8
      with Napoleon, "one hundred peoples" came to Russia, with Hitler a whole menagerie from well-known Italy, Japan to all sorts of Croatians, Slovak and other Tibetan states, Spain, Bulgaria and the French in one way or another supporting the Axis. There was a whole buffer of enemies around Soviet Russia. The kings fought both with the Persia and with the Turkeys, and still managed to annex all sorts of Samarkands. If you take a map and where you don’t poke along the borders from all sides, once there were enemies. And nothing. And not an outcast and not an iron curtain. The vein lives on and will outlive you. learn history not from the globe of Ukraine, then you will not have such gloomy forecasts.
    2. tatra
      tatra 24 November 2022 17: 35
      -2
      And it was precisely the Russian enemies of the USSR in the last 9 months that provoked a surge of hatred not only for themselves and the Russian Federation they created, but for Russia and the Russian people in the broadest sense of this meaning - both for Soviet Russia and the Soviet people, and for the Russian Empire and the Russian people, including the great composers and writers of the Republic of Ingushetia.
      But they also proved with their anti-Sovietism that they would never admit their guilt in anything.
      And the myth of the "Holodomor" is their common myth with Ukrainian, Western, and European enemies of the USSR and the Soviet people.
      1. voice of reason
        voice of reason 24 November 2022 18: 43
        -2
        you are dragging around the Soviet Union like this that you write down everything else as enemies. And Russia was before the Soviet Union and now it is after it. What to do now? Russia existed even before the Romanov dynasty. And even before the written history of the semi-mythical Rurik. And without kings it was, and out of all the difficulties of history it happened and without kings it crawled out, on one people's militia. Well, you ran into a short historical period, so what? time cannot be turned back.
  4. antivirus
    antivirus 24 November 2022 17: 07
    +2
    Antonescu and Ceausescu are twin brothers.
    And give goodwill to the Bulgarians.
    Chernivtsi - to Jews, in exchange for golan and gas to Russians
    1. tralflot1832
      tralflot1832 24 November 2022 17: 14
      0
      I didn’t understand one thing, why do we need the Golan and the Gaza Strip?
      1. sabakina
        sabakina 24 November 2022 17: 32
        +2
        Quote: tralflot1832
        I didn’t understand one thing, why do we need the Golan and the Gaza Strip?

        Andrew. I won’t say for the Golan, but I won’t give up the Gaza Strip! am It sounds so good on the minor... drinks
        1. tralflot1832
          tralflot1832 24 November 2022 18: 41
          +1
          And how it was fun to turn under the Gaza Strip in the 90s if there were 96 horses under the hood of a penny. I had a penny from Germany. drinks
      2. antivirus
        antivirus 24 November 2022 21: 17
        +1
        You do not need.
        I will resell... Who will give more.
        Promised land
  5. DIM (a)
    DIM (a) 24 November 2022 17: 08
    +2
    In great! And in Romania, Poland and the Czech Republic during these years there was no famine ... they ate from the belly!)
    Romanians and other Balts do not need knowledge (often even about their own history) - the command "Voice!" from Good Owner.
  6. Daishi
    Daishi 24 November 2022 17: 08
    +4
    Oh, how the USSR haunts them, they still piss at only one word)
  7. Vladimir Vladimirovich Vorontsov
    Vladimir Vladimirovich Vorontsov 24 November 2022 17: 09
    +3
    Romania recognized the so-called Holodomor as "genocide of the Ukrainian people"

    ***
    - "One word - Romanians" ...
    ***
  8. tralflot1832
    tralflot1832 24 November 2022 17: 12
    +2
    The shooting of the Ceausescu family is a war crime. Tatra, where are you, your topic!
    1. tatra
      tatra 24 November 2022 17: 39
      -1
      Here I am. Yes, the enemies of the USSR and the Soviet people have double standards in everything and always. Here, they could not shoot Nicholas II, and the old Ceausescu could be on false accusations.
      1. tralflot1832
        tralflot1832 24 November 2022 18: 25
        0
        The murder of the Ceausescu family on camera will still come back to haunt the Romanians. Everyone who shot him under the goslings. Bushes in the first place.
  9. rocket757
    rocket757 24 November 2022 17: 19
    +1
    Romania recognized the so-called Holodomor as "genocide of the Ukrainian people"
    . Consequences... everyone treats the winner with apprehension, and when so, neither this nor that, one should not expect anything else.
  10. Jsem_CZEKO68
    Jsem_CZEKO68 24 November 2022 17: 21
    0
    Rumunský parlament trpí ztrátou paměti, nechce vidět od r.2014 vraždění Rusky mluvících Ukrajinců na Ukrajině.
  11. Tests
    Tests 24 November 2022 17: 29
    0
    In 1941, the city of Odessa, whose troops occupied? And the city of Kyiv? In Babi Yar, what issue was finally resolved by the Nazis and their hangers-on? Didn't Russians, Jews, Greeks, Gypsies, Armenians, Poles, Romanians and Germans die in the "Holodomor" on the territory of the Ukrainian SSR? Only Ukrainians? ... What will our Foreign Ministry express, I wonder ... And the Israeli Foreign Ministry?
  12. Egor53
    Egor53 24 November 2022 17: 36
    0
    In 1932033-40, Ukrainians made up no more than 50% of the population of the Ukrainian SSR. Russians were more than XNUMX%. They died of starvation evenly according to the national composition.
    If truckers stopped filming Ukrainian prostitutes on the highways, then what is it called? What kind of pestilence is this for the Ukrainian people?
    1. solar
      solar 24 November 2022 17: 58
      -1
      In 1932033-40, Ukrainians made up no more than 50% of the population of the Ukrainian SSR. Russians were more than XNUMX%.

      Well, you are healthy to compose ...
    2. 4ekist
      4ekist 24 November 2022 18: 01
      0
      Egor53 6....truckers stopped filming Ukrainian prostitutes

      Ukrainian young ladies in large numbers successfully migrated to the countries of Europe and America, including competing with the Romanians. winked
  13. Egor53
    Egor53 24 November 2022 17: 39
    +2
    Among those who staged the famine of 1932-33, Ukrainians in Ukraine made up the vast majority.
  14. Garik Gorkin
    Garik Gorkin 24 November 2022 17: 46
    -1
    In the USSR in 1932, in addition to drought and epidemics, there was also sabotage. Fighting against collectivization, cunning Ukrainian peasants slaughtered or mutilated draft cattle before handing it over to the collective farm. Collective farms were formed, but there was nothing to plow. The Ukrainians themselves provoked the famine.
    According to archival archival data (GARF.F.9479. Op.1. D. 89, L. 205-216) in 1932, 668 thousand people died in Ukraine, in 1933 - 1 million 309 thousand people. That is, about 2 million people (this is for all reasons). If we exclude the number of deaths from natural causes and from epidemics (typhus, etc.), it turns out that 640-650 thousand people became victims of hunger. But not 5 or 10 million people, which our enemies and liberals lie about.
    Moreover, this figure of 650 thousand included not only Ukrainians. In the 1930s, Ukrainians made up a minority of the population in the Ukrainian SSR. Russians were more than 50%. So the tragedy was common, and not just Ukrainians.
    1. solar
      solar 24 November 2022 18: 09
      0
      In the 1930s, Ukrainians made up a minority of the population in the Ukrainian SSR. Russians were more than 50%.

      Well, you can't lie like that.
      1. Garik Gorkin
        Garik Gorkin 24 November 2022 19: 03
        -2
        well, you can't lie so openly

        I copied this figure from the commenter above.
        Now I googled this topic a little. I found an article "How the territory of Ukraine grew". Picture below.
        About your comment. I think it all depends on how to count, purely formally or in essence.
        Initially, Ukraine was small. If the population of each Russian region annexed to Ukraine is automatically counted as Ukrainians, then it turns out that there are more Ukrainians. And if we assume that they remained Russian, then there will be fewer Ukrainians.
        This can be roughly estimated by the number of people speaking Ukrainian language in their families. Different sites write different numbers depending on the propaganda focus. On some sites they write that the percentage of such people is 30%, on others they write that 70% (but this is definitely a lie). Recently, the percentage of people who speak Russian has decreased due to repressions against Russians, but as they say here, even the most stoned Ukrainian Nazis, when they are captured or hospitalized, they sharply recall Russian.


        1. solar
          solar 24 November 2022 21: 50
          0
          I copied this figure from the commenter above.

          I advise you to check what is copy-pasted.
  15. Reindeer
    Reindeer 24 November 2022 17: 59
    0
    Hmm... Choi-ta is not clear. But the SBU once stated that they staged a famine on their own. I immediately found only such a link - https://www.fontanka.ru/2009/06/15/122/ - but I think that you can dig up a more authoritative source. Smells like bipolar :)
  16. Popov I.P.
    Popov I.P. 24 November 2022 19: 43
    +1
    And that at the indicated time in the territory of the former USSR, the famine was only in Ukraine? And the Volga region, the North Caucasus, Kazakhstan? There that there were no mass deaths from starvation? So why is there "genocide" in Ukraine, and in other territories - just a famine caused by drought and the pace of collectivization? By the way, one of the reasons for the famine in Ukraine is the immoderate zeal of the local Ukrainian leadership, which sought to fulfill the grain procurement plan at any cost in order to please the leader of the peoples. And what responsibility can the modern Russian Federation have for the actions of the leadership of the former USSR? But even more surprising are the crosses erected under Yushchenko in Western Ukraine to the victims of the famine, although these territories were not part of the USSR at all during the famine and this tragedy did not touch them at all. There are many heroic and tragic pages in our common history of the peoples of the former USSR, and to speculate on the tragedies of the past and earn political capital from it, when specific culprits are no longer alive, and even more so to try to blame the Russian people for this, to put it mildly, is not decently. However, what kind of decency can those who are poisoned by Russophobic frenzy have.
    1. iouris
      iouris 25 November 2022 01: 15
      0
      Quote: Popov I.P.
      And that at the indicated time in the territory of the former USSR, the famine was only in Ukraine?

      Do you really think that it is necessary to argue with them during the world war, instead of defeating them and giving them the right ideas about history (including Romania)? After all, if they win, then we with our arguments (at best) will simply be shot.
  17. seamen2
    seamen2 24 November 2022 20: 42
    0
    arctic fox what friends of the Ukrainians are these Romanians. they didn’t even bite off by military means, but sued part of the shelf from the adored Ukrainians. and nothing. and okay.
  18. iouris
    iouris 25 November 2022 01: 13
    0
    Romania recognizes everything! Q: Is this already a declaration of war?
  19. Oleg812spb
    Oleg812spb 25 November 2022 17: 10
    0
    Do they hope that this will save them from cold and energy?