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American MLRS HIMARS hit Stakhanov, while there is no effective defense against this weapon

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American MLRS HIMARS hit Stakhanov, while there is no effective defense against this weapon

The Kyiv regime continues to add to the list of its war crimes, targeting defenseless civilians. This time, Stakhanov was hit, the American HIMARS rocket launcher, "kindly" provided by the United States for the destruction of the cities of Donbass, acted as a means of destruction. The 227-mm projectile of the combat installation hits the target with a cluster filling containing many damaging elements.


In total, two rockets flew over Stakhanov, causing the destruction of a private house and damage to residential high-rise buildings and social facilities in the center of the settlement.

Luckily, no one was hurt. Utilities promptly repair damage.

Stakhanov is in the rear of the Russian troops and is of no combat value to the Armed Forces of Ukraine. The strike on this city is a standard practice of the Ukrainian army, which has set terror against civilians on stream. There is no one to reason with the Kyiv regime - the Western masters write off all the sins of their ward, while the Ukrainians are ready to die fighting the Russian army. The "civilized" world is busy competing in attempts to denigrate Russia and its people by declaring all the inhabitants of the country "terrorists".

Many shells of the American HIMARS system are intercepted by Russian air defense systems. However, unfortunately, it is impossible to get full protection from them, to build an effective shield. Accordingly, this is a challenge for our gunsmiths. Earlier it was reported that the warhead of the HIMARS missile was at the disposal of one of the domestic research institutes. In this regard, I would like to hope that a solution to increase the effectiveness of countering American missile systems "Hymars" will be found in the near future.
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  1. Lt. Air Force stock
    Lt. Air Force stock 24 November 2022 13: 11
    +8
    An effective weapon is the S-350, but it is not available in sufficient quantities.
    1. Prax1
      Prax1 24 November 2022 13: 13
      +2
      We need a mobile complex like an iron dome
      1. Evil 55
        Evil 55 24 November 2022 13: 27
        +12
        The territory of the UKRAINE must be closed from NATO satellites .. well, and destroy all GPS navigation there. In this way, our rear areas can be relatively secure .. Which will lead to another quarrel with the self-appointed Hegemon, no more, but there is still not enough determination for this .. hi
      2. rocket757
        rocket757 24 November 2022 13: 28
        +4
        Don't make fun of my horseshoes...
        The "Iron Dome" is good, only in its place ... if you take it to another place, substitute it for a different type and method of attack, and it will lose its effectiveness, like any other air defense system.
    2. Trapp1st
      Trapp1st 24 November 2022 13: 17
      +17
      There is an effective weapon
      It's time to just start fighting and destroy the entire vertical of Bandera power.
    3. m.cempbell
      m.cempbell 24 November 2022 13: 18
      +3
      Why downvoted? I agree about the S-350 - apparently this is an effective system, but like many other types of weapons, there are very few of them in the troops ...
      1. Zaurbek
        Zaurbek 24 November 2022 13: 23
        +2
        It is effective in protecting the object ..... And the 404s are fucking on objects in settlements. You will not block such an area.
        1. Lt. Air Force stock
          Lt. Air Force stock 24 November 2022 13: 28
          +4
          Quote: Zaurbek
          It is effective in protecting the object ..... And the 404s are fucking on objects in settlements. You will not block such an area.

          You can block a settlement from Hymars, the S-350 has a radius of 120 km, the Hymars has an apogee of 22 kilometers, this is not a cruise missile. In addition, the problem is that a powerful warhead is needed to destroy Hymars in the air, for Thor and Shell it destroys the pipe a little, and the warhead falls, the S-350 has much more powerful warheads and there is a chance that the warhead will be destroyed in the air, and not fall on ground and will not detonate.
          1. Timur_kz
            Timur_kz 25 November 2022 00: 29
            +1
            Thor will destroy it without any problems, there is another problem, to react in time, visit and intercept. The most effective for this task is a rocket with an active seeker, i.e. with your radar. Like the Buk M3, they are the most effective in intercepting hymers. But there are few such missiles, and of course they are more expensive.
    4. rocket757
      rocket757 24 November 2022 13: 25
      0
      There is no, yet, one simple, effective way to solve the problem.
      Everything will have to be decided in a complex and ... so far this is not possible.
    5. stelltok
      stelltok 24 November 2022 13: 51
      0
      An effective weapon is the S-350,

      What about Air Defense Derivation?
      https://alternathistory.com/zenitnaya-samohodka-derivatsiya-otlichnaya-novinka-ili-polnyj-proval/
      1. Lt. Air Force stock
        Lt. Air Force stock 24 November 2022 14: 01
        +2
        Quote from stelltok
        What about Air Defense Derivation?
        https://alternathistory.com/zenitnaya-samohodka-derivatsiya-otlichnaya-novinka-ili-polnyj-proval/

        1 city is a very large object, the cannon air defense has a small range and a sector of fire, dozens of vehicles need to be distributed around the city to cover it. And Derivation will not be able to protect against a massive strike, in order to completely destroy a missile with a warhead, you need to create a high density of fire, even taking into account remotely detonated ammunition, this is difficult to do if 6 missiles are flying at the same time, for example.
    6. gsev
      gsev 24 November 2022 13: 55
      +4
      Quote: Lt. air force reserve
      An effective weapon is the S-350, but it is not available in sufficient quantities.

      An effective weapon is a blow to the center of Kyiv and Lvov. It just doesn't make sense to be distracted from destroying Ukraine's energy system with Russia's limited resources. But old-built SCADAs, perhaps taken from Iran, Syria or North Korea, could make Zelensky think about the need to strike residential buildings.
    7. Romanenko
      Romanenko 24 November 2022 14: 12
      +4
      It is necessary to hunt for installations, the interception of missiles is of course also very important, but the destruction of the carrier is much more effective. And here reconnaissance drones and long-range guided munitions from turntables and from artillery, jet and barrel are just very important.
      We really need a correct, and most importantly operational, linkage of reconnaissance of targets with diversified (depending on the range) means of influencing the target.
  2. Andrew Dustin
    Andrew Dustin 24 November 2022 13: 16
    -16
    An effective weapon is Sarmat against Washington, but unfortunately we have even forgotten how to threaten them.
    1. Aaron Zawi
      Aaron Zawi 24 November 2022 13: 20
      +13
      Quote from Andrew Dastin
      An effective weapon is Sarmat against Washington, but unfortunately we have even forgotten how to threaten them.

      So after all, in response, you can get a threat about the Minuteman to Moscow. Who needs it?
      1. alekseykabanets
        alekseykabanets 24 November 2022 13: 38
        +11
        Quote: Aron Zaavi
        So after all, in response, you can get a threat about the Minuteman to Moscow. Who needs it?


        Interestingly, to the music of Freddie Mercury, and he seemed to be a supporter of non-traditional sex. However, this is not important, it is important where these people come from and why they are not yet at the front.
        1. oleg-nekrasov-19
          oleg-nekrasov-19 24 November 2022 13: 48
          0
          sectarians are probably not taken to the front, because they have "their own front with cockroaches" in their heads
        2. gromit
          gromit 24 November 2022 13: 58
          -1
          These are clowns from the NOD, under the leadership of Fedorov, a State Duma deputy from United Russia.

          Do not pay attention, they are just trying to drag the Communist Party and patriotic movements into the dirt.
          (Red banners and St. George ribbon)

          Well, you never know what, what if the people vote incorrectly or will not be satisfied with the truce?

          "What do you want to burn in a nuclear explosion?"
          1. Garik Gorkin
            Garik Gorkin 24 November 2022 14: 14
            -2
            These are clowns from NOD, under the leadership of Fedorov

            I listened to the deputy Yevgeny Fedorov. He never said that it was necessary to launch a nuclear strike on the United States. He always said what needs to be created for the territory of the United States nuclear threat, type Caribbean Crisis.
            But first, there must be a trial.to recognize illegal solutions Gorbachev on the collapse of the USSR and the withdrawal of Ukraine from it, and only after that threaten the United States to stop supplying Ukrainian the Nazis weapons and mercenaries.
            1. alekseykabanets
              alekseykabanets 24 November 2022 14: 28
              -1
              Quote: Garik Gorkin
              I listened to the deputy Yevgeny Fedorov.

              Give it up, take care of your gray matter.
          2. alekseykabanets
            alekseykabanets 24 November 2022 14: 22
            +3
            Quote from Gromit
            Communist Party

            We do not have a Communist Party in our country, the Communist Party of the Russian Federation or the Communists of Russia have nothing to do with the communist movement. Read their programs and compare them with what Marx, Engels, Lenin or Stalin wrote.
            1. Alexey RA
              Alexey RA 24 November 2022 14: 31
              +3
              Quote: aleksejkabanets
              Read their programs and compare them with what Marx, Engels, Lenin or Stalin wrote.

              Well, Vladimir Ilyich was still that ... realpolitik, so you can find quotes from him that justify any bend in the general line. smile
              But the IVS would be quite surprised by those who now call themselves communists. smile
              1. alekseykabanets
                alekseykabanets 24 November 2022 14: 42
                +1
                Hello Alexey! hi
                Quote: Alexey RA
                Quote: aleksejkabanets
                Read their programs and compare them with what Marx, Engels, Lenin or Stalin wrote.

                Well, Vladimir Ilyich was still that ... realpolitik, so you can find quotes from him that justify any bend in the general line. smile
                But the IVS would be quite surprised by those who now call themselves communists. smile

                They would both be very surprised. Look at Lenin's criticism of Plekhanov or Kautsky. In my opinion, Kautsky was downright radical in regard to Zyuganov.
            2. gromit
              gromit 24 November 2022 15: 57
              +4
              There may not be a Communist Party, but leftist ideas and red flags find many supporters in the Russian Federation. At least more than supporters of fascism and the Orthodox empire.

              If opposition does arise in the Russian Federation, it will come from the left, especially since people in the acquired territories were by no means nostalgic for the tricolor. Not for nothing that the red ribbons were so bashfully smeared on TV.
              1. alekseykabanets
                alekseykabanets 24 November 2022 16: 28
                0
                Quote from Gromit
                There may not be a Communist Party, but leftist ideas and red flags find many supporters in the Russian Federation. At least more than supporters of fascism and the Orthodox empire.

                Yes, today it is so, but what will happen tomorrow is unknown. Remember what happened in Germany at the beginning of the century, where the Nazis crushed the communists.
                Quote from Gromit
                If opposition does arise in the Russian Federation, it will come from the left, especially since people in the acquired territories were by no means nostalgic for the tricolor. Not for nothing that the red ribbons were so bashfully smeared on TV.

                So it’s true, only people take Platoshkin and Zyuganov for communists, that’s what’s bad. More classics should be read, but people have neither the time nor the desire to do so.
            3. MBRSS
              MBRSS 25 November 2022 04: 50
              -1
              alekseykabanetsWell, I read the program of the Communist Party. Mostly general phrases, without reference to time. However, it is difficult to find serious contradictions with the classics there. Is that public ownership of the medium of production is considered as dominant, and not the only one under socialism. In general, the program is tied to realities: it seems that there is no mention of the dictatorship of the proletariat at all, but only a couple of sentences about communism, as the future of mankind, EMNIP.
              I haven't read the programs of other parties, I don't see the point. You can write anything. The Communist Party is the only real leftist party, whatever one may say.
              1. alekseykabanets
                alekseykabanets 25 November 2022 09: 17
                0
                Quote: MBRBS
                Mostly general phrases, without reference to time. However, it is difficult to find serious contradictions with the classics there. Unless the public property on Wed-va pr-va is regarded as dominant, and not the only one under socialism.

                That's the point! Under socialism, ownership of the means of production can only be public. Another thing, the transition to this can be gradual, again, look at the Stalinist tax code of the 36th year. The Communist Party of the Russian Federation does not say anything about the nationalization of the banking system, but under socialism it can only be state-owned and the state regulates how, when and which industries to develop. And the fact that the program is vague, that's for sure.)))) Compare it with the program of the Bolsheviks.
                Quote: MBRBS
                The Communist Party of the Russian Federation is the only real left party so far, whatever one may say.

                Well, yes, such a pinkish one.))) And in case of victory in the elections))))) they will do the same as Tsipras in Greece. Read the classics, Lenin and Stalin are easy to read, unlike Marx.
                I liked Lenin's work "Imperialism as the Highest Stage of Capitalism" so much, and it is as relevant today as it was a hundred years ago.
                1. MBRSS
                  MBRSS 25 November 2022 14: 43
                  0
                  The Communist Party says nothing about the nationalization of the banking system,

                  He speaks generally.
                  Unfortunately, there is no time to reread the classics - the political economy of socialism and scientific communism were studied at the institute - and the theory should develop, and not stand still. The structure of the productive forces has changed significantly since then. For example, who is more proletarian now: a truck driver or a programmer? This is a topic for discussion. Like Lenin: "our teaching is not a dogma ...".
                  As for Stalin, there are even more questions. For example, I believe that it was from that time that the departure from real socialism began (by the way, one can also argue with Lenin on some issues of theory). The so-called. the "Soviet elite", the Soviets were pushed away from control, etc.
                  1. alekseykabanets
                    alekseykabanets 25 November 2022 15: 07
                    0
                    Quote: MBRBS
                    For example, who is more proletarian now: a truck driver or a programmer?

                    Both.)))) The trouble is if they both consider themselves "middle class". And often, today, it is. Of course, there are no dogmas and cannot be, and both Lenin and Stalin made mistakes.
                    Quote: MBRBS
                    The so-called. the "Soviet elite", the Soviets were pushed away from control, etc.

                    That is how it is.
      2. Edik
        Edik 24 November 2022 13: 40
        0
        Quote: Aron Zaavi
        So after all, in response, you can get a threat about the Minuteman to Moscow. Who needs it?

        And what's wrong, is it possible that problems are solved in this world? Who will have Faberge stronger!
      3. cash
        cash 24 November 2022 13: 41
        -2
        minuteman junk, more dangerous than sea-based yao, trident that is
      4. lopvlad
        lopvlad 24 November 2022 13: 49
        -2
        Quote: Aron Zaavi
        get a threat about the Minuteman


        this junk of the last century has long been effectively intercepted, and Sarmat not only can choose any flight path, but it will come with friends Poseidon and Vanguard.
    2. AdAstra
      AdAstra 24 November 2022 13: 26
      +1
      It is possible to threaten, but what will happen if "threatening" does not take action?
    3. tatra
      tatra 24 November 2022 13: 26
      -4
      And when you receive an answer, the Russian enemies of the USSR will again whine "what are we for, we are not guilty of anything."
      Maybe it’s enough already to cause colossal harm to Russia and the Russian people just because you like to destroy and destroy, instill anger and hatred, look for enemies everywhere?
      Why are the enemies of the USSR, who seized the RSFSR, not able to live calmly and peacefully, without the "image of the enemy"?
      1. your vsr 66-67
        your vsr 66-67 24 November 2022 13: 33
        +3
        Why are the enemies of the USSR who captured the RSFSR


        Tired of using one phrase? Or is the record played?
        1. tatra
          tatra 24 November 2022 14: 00
          -5
          And why are the enemies of the USSR so AFRAID to admit that you have captured the RSFSR? Maybe because you admit that you captured the RSFSR for criminal purposes - to the detriment of Russia and its people?
          Maybe that's why you are so afraid to honestly name everything that you did in Ukraine?
          1. your vsr 66-67
            your vsr 66-67 24 November 2022 14: 22
            0
            Quote: tatra
            And why are the enemies of the USSR so AFRAID to admit that you have captured the RSFSR? Maybe because you admit that you captured the RSFSR for criminal purposes - to the detriment of Russia and its people?
            Maybe that's why you are so afraid to honestly name everything that you did in Ukraine?

            laughing laughing laughing Am I the enemy of the USSR?! A well-played record! One thing and therefore, and all the stigma to cling!
            1. tatra
              tatra 24 November 2022 14: 37
              -4
              Yes, as long as you, the enemies of the USSR, will cowardly kick back from responsibility for your capture of the RSFSR, and everything that you have done to Russia and its people, I will repeat this.
          2. Garik Gorkin
            Garik Gorkin 24 November 2022 15: 26
            +3
            afraid to honestly name everything that you did in Ukraine

            No need to lie. Ukrainian Nazis shelled civilians in Donbass for 8 years. Old people, women and children were killed. Officials even told you about it on TV.
            By killing civilians, you provoked Russia into bringing in troops.
            1. tatra
              tatra 24 November 2022 15: 38
              -5
              Firstly, I don’t need manuals of Kremlinbots with hypocritical "philanthropy" to justify the NWO. Secondly, do not enroll me as a citizen of Ukraine. Thirdly ,
              you, the enemies of the USSR, who seized the RSFSR, did much worse with the Chechen separatists, peaceful Chechens and the territory of Chechnya. And where did your "philanthropy" in relation to the inhabitants of Donbass go?
              Why are the Ukrainian enemies of the USSR after your bombings trying to quickly return electricity, heat, water to Ukrainian citizens, while the inhabitants of Donbass have been sitting without all this for many months?
              1. Garik Gorkin
                Garik Gorkin 24 November 2022 15: 53
                +2
                The Ukrainian Nazis use electricity and railways to create and transfer weapons of their own and Western ones, which kill our soldiers and civilians. Therefore, electricity had to be temporarily turned off, and water and heat unfortunately depend on electricity.
                Regarding Chechnya, no need to lie. Russia brought peace to Chechnya. Now people live there no worse than in the rest of Russia. Chechnya has become a civilized state, it has the lowest crime rate (lower than in Moscow) and one of the safest places in Russia.
              2. Alexey RA
                Alexey RA 24 November 2022 16: 15
                +1
                Quote: tatra
                Thirdly, you, the enemies of the USSR, who seized the RSFSR, did much worse with Chechen separatists, peaceful Chechens and the territory of Chechnya.

                Sufferers of the good times of the USSR accuse the Russian Federation of cruelty towards the Chechens. What you just don’t see on VO. smile
                Quote: tatra
                Why are the Ukrainian enemies of the USSR after your bombings trying to quickly return electricity, heat, water to Ukrainian citizens, while the inhabitants of Donbass have been sitting without all this for many months?

                And because the one who lived, is alive and will live, transferred the Russian lands of Novorossia to the newly formed Ukraine. And his heirs made a state with a separate history and language from the Little Russian lands.
                If it were not for this, Donbass would have lived quietly as part of the Russian Federation.
  3. alekc75
    alekc75 24 November 2022 13: 17
    0
    it is, but no one will put it in all small cities !!!!
  4. Leader_Barmaleev
    Leader_Barmaleev 24 November 2022 13: 18
    +15
    There is an incredibly effective remedy for such weapons and it is called the total destruction of transport infrastructure and the destruction of equipment on the march. But if you pick your nose and deal with contracts ... sorry, taking into account the interests of "businessmen", then of course it will not happen.
    1. solar
      solar 24 November 2022 13: 58
      -5
      destruction of equipment on the march

      this requires aviation, but it does not work
  5. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 24 November 2022 13: 18
    +12
    If you retreat and bring positions closer to us, then, of course, there is no 100% protection of the population. Some object can be protected, but the entire territory accessible within the radius is NOT. Corr 155mm shells are even more difficult to intercept, and new howitzers shoot both 50km and up to 70km. The only means of dealing with them is to patrol possible base areas with strike UAVs (we are bad with such UAVs) and push the borders towards 404 (we are also bad with this)
    1. stelltok
      stelltok 24 November 2022 14: 01
      0
      Corr 155mm shells are even more difficult to intercept

      And Air Defense Derivation? Can they be intercepted?
      https://alternathistory.com/zenitnaya-samohodka-derivatsiya-otlichnaya-novinka-ili-polnyj-proval/

      The only way to deal with them is to patrol possible base areas with strike UAVs

      Or just a drone.
    2. stelltok
      stelltok 24 November 2022 14: 08
      0
      patrolling of possible base areas by shock UAVs

      What about the T90 Product? Like or not?
      https://topwar.ru/150388-bespilotnik-dlja-smercha-razvedyvatelnyj-kompleks-zavershaet-ispytanija.html
  6. ism_ek
    ism_ek 24 November 2022 13: 18
    +12
    Why is there no protection?
    Can we track launches? - Yes
    Do we have precision weapons? - Yes
    The question is that the decision on fire damage must be made within minutes, not hours, as is customary in our army.
    The air defense units should include installations "Tornado S". To destroy not only the missiles themselves, but also the launchers.
    1. antiaircrafter
      antiaircrafter 24 November 2022 13: 44
      -2
      Quote: ism_ek
      The air defense units should include installations "Tornado S".

      Air defense units will not be able to give them control, because they do not have such means.
      1. ism_ek
        ism_ek 24 November 2022 15: 25
        0
        You just need to change the software. Yes, it takes time, but now the war is on.
        For the first time, the same Zoos can be transferred to the air defense unit. In the Ground Forces, no one can work with them. They are produced with letters at neighboring factories that are part of the same concern. Lots of identical blocks. Air defense officers will deal with them faster. Yes, and they will be under the protection of the Shell
        1. antiaircrafter
          antiaircrafter 24 November 2022 17: 39
          -1
          Quote: ism_ek
          You just need to change the software.

          I'll tell you, as an air defense specialist, it's not so simple.
          Quote: ism_ek
          Lots of identical blocks. Air defense officers will deal with them faster.

          Even in the air defense system there are no identical blocks. Of course, if these are not modifications of one complex.
          To transfer means to change the organizational structure and to teach people. It's long and troublesome.
          Let it all remain where it is - in the rocket troops and artillery. Merging air defense and artillery is stupid. It will get cumbersome and unmanageable.
  7. mlad
    mlad 24 November 2022 13: 19
    +12
    The most reasonable thing is probably to jam the GPS signal. There was a lot of talk about our electronic warfare, but apparently they turned out to be ineffective.
    1. ism_ek
      ism_ek 24 November 2022 13: 23
      +2
      The main flight correction takes place at high altitude (about 20 km), electronic warfare is ineffective there.
      Well, our electronic warfare equipment is a priority target for destruction among Ukrainians
      1. mlad
        mlad 24 November 2022 13: 34
        -1
        If you make a correction from twenty kilometers, then where the hell will you end up
        1. ism_ek
          ism_ek 24 November 2022 16: 07
          0
          Quote: mlad
          If you make a correction from twenty kilometers, then where the hell will you end up

          If powerful computing and location accuracy up to cm, then the accuracy is normal.
          Well, at the top of the trajectory, it’s easier to adjust the rocket than at the bottom, when it flies like a stone to the bottom
    2. stelltok
      stelltok 24 November 2022 14: 15
      0
      but apparently they were ineffective.

      Maybe they just don't have enough?
      For example, SPR-2 "Mercury-B" seems to be able to cope. But they are few.
  8. saved
    saved 24 November 2022 13: 20
    +8
    Until we hit the entire Bandera elite, nothing will change. Americans, Europeans, when they bombed Libya, Iraq, and even Syria, they understood that it was necessary to remove the power, the leader. But something is wrong with our brains.
    1. yuriy55
      yuriy55 24 November 2022 13: 35
      -1
      Quote: saved
      But something is wrong with our brains.

      Come on ... All that ... Until 2036, we secured a guarantee of 100 percent immunity ...
      They understand, which means that without WHOM, Khan will come to WHOM ...
      And then they got lost...
      I DO NOT BELIEVE!!! ©
    2. cash
      cash 24 November 2022 13: 43
      -1
      top khokhils are not leaders, but puppets, kill them now - make them martyrs, we don't need it, at least turn on your head
      1. saved
        saved 24 November 2022 21: 35
        0
        The authorities that they have that we will never be martyrs, with rare exceptions, but the fact that they are not leaders but puppets is how to look. If you remove the dolls, then what will remain. Naked king. Or maybe Mikola from the factory will rule the country. As practice shows, there are not so many media people available. Everything is spinning in circles.
  9. Amateur
    Amateur 24 November 2022 13: 20
    +1
    However, unfortunately, it is impossible to get full protection from them, to build an effective shield.

    Note to the author:
    Only an insurance policy gives a 100% guarantee.
    And there is no 100% guarantee of the effectiveness of weapons, even theoretically.
    1. Podvodnik
      Podvodnik 24 November 2022 13: 54
      +1
      . Only an insurance policy gives a 100% guarantee.


      Clearly, you're exaggerating. After all, no one canceled the small print. You can stay without pants with a policy on hand. But not a single air defense system will give a 100% guarantee of protection.
      There is only one way out - to establish interaction, reduce the time of a retaliatory strike, and destroy. And therefore, work and work, as bequeathed .... laughing
      1. Amateur
        Amateur 24 November 2022 14: 05
        +1
        And so work and work, as bequeathed.

        In fact, he bequeathed
        Study, study and study again
        MILITARY in this way

        But in the late USSR they could be allowed to distort the thought of even HIMSELF!
  10. Rusfaner
    Rusfaner 24 November 2022 13: 21
    +8
    Quote: Leader_Barmaleev
    There is an incredibly effective remedy for such weapons and it is called the total destruction of transport infrastructure and the destruction of equipment on the march. But if you pick your nose and deal with contracts ... sorry, taking into account the interests of "businessmen", then of course it will not happen.

    "Oligarchic Russia is powerless to defeat the oligarchic West," - Alexander Prokhanov
    1. tatra
      tatra 24 November 2022 13: 30
      -5
      Why win at all? It was the USSR and the West that were ideological opponents, and the enemies of the USSR who seized the RSFSR have no ideology, except for anti-Sovietism, along with the West, slander on the Soviet period.
  11. petroglyph
    petroglyph 24 November 2022 13: 23
    +8
    A strange headline about the lack of effective protection against HIMARS ... That is, when a 10 out of 12 downing is reported, is it a fake ?? Wunderwaffle from the Nazis? There is an effective integrated solution - this is a multiple saturation with drones for continuous monitoring of the situation hundreds of kilometers deep from the LBS and a multiple increase in air defense. But whether there are opportunities for this is another question.
    1. Strannik96
      Strannik96 24 November 2022 14: 02
      +2
      And this is a headline, like a bone, so that people would have fun, of course they knock it down. Just something VO is sleeping with the news
  12. huntsman650
    huntsman650 24 November 2022 13: 23
    0
    They are effectively shot down, but only important objects are covered.
  13. Slavianin_37
    Slavianin_37 24 November 2022 13: 23
    +2
    There is nothing magical in Himars! It's just that there was not enough layered air defense in the direction. Our Hurricanes and Tornadoes are better and not easy to "catch" either. This does not eliminate the need to look for funds with the maximum efficiency of interception, but this is not easy and takes some time. After all, it is also important that air defense remains cheaper than ammunition for destruction, do not beat flies with crystal vases ....
    1. Vladimir Postnikov
      Vladimir Postnikov 24 November 2022 14: 10
      -3
      Quote: Slavianin_37
      Our Hurricanes and Tornadoes are better and not easy to "catch" either. This does not eliminate the need to look for funds with the maximum efficiency of interception.

      Yes Yes! Our Hurricanes and Tornadoes are certainly better. And they are really difficult to catch, because their hitting efficiency is immeasurably less, which means that it is more difficult to hit them because of their unpredictability. The whole analytics consists in stating the fact that "this is not easy and takes some time", and in the recommendation "to keep air defense cheaper than ammunition for destruction, do not beat flies with crystal vases ..." That's the whole "analytics".
      1. Slavianin_37
        Slavianin_37 24 November 2022 20: 25
        0
        You didn’t mix up your analytics and my personal opinion, good sir?
        1. Vladimir Postnikov
          Vladimir Postnikov 24 November 2022 23: 28
          -1
          Quote: Slavianin_37
          You didn’t mix up your analytics and my personal opinion, good sir

          Don't be offended! Came under the "hot hand". My analytics are not here, and cannot be. But your personal opinion, you excuse me, is worth nothing. In order to analyze something, one must first collect a maximum of more or less objective information about this "something". Where can I get her here on the couch? Problems like the one discussed here, we were taught in Voenmekh 50 years ago to solve in a complex way. They taught to think, taught to analyze, and taught not to self-limit (not to get hung up on one narrow topic). But today, when a journalist comes to command in the defense industry, and in the Moscow Region it is either a philologist in civilian clothes, or a merchant, or a foreman, it is impossible in principle to wait for good analytics. The fact is that the leaders of complex management systems are called upon to play the role of an arbiter among specialists. And therefore impossible in principle. No offense.
  14. rocket757
    rocket757 24 November 2022 13: 23
    +4
    Many shells of the American HIMARS system are intercepted by Russian air defense systems. However, unfortunately, it is impossible to get full protection from them, to build an effective shield.
    . It is clear that it is impossible to build a layered air defense system over such a length of a combat zone ...
    The enemy conducts reconnaissance and looks for places where it is easier for him to hit or uses other effective methods of breaking through air defense.
    Another important factor is not a little ... the enemy does not really care about the losses in his rear, which he suffers due to his aggressive actions !!!
    All one to the other....
    So it turns out that the best air defense is their own tanks, on ... yes, everywhere, throughout the enemy’s territory.
  15. AdAstra
    AdAstra 24 November 2022 13: 24
    +2
    So here they repeatedly wrote that they do not play any role, so why worry about that?
    1. Horon
      Horon 24 November 2022 14: 25
      0
      So here they repeatedly wrote that they do not play any role, so why worry about that?

      Snipers don't win wars, but that doesn't make it any easier on the enemy.
  16. Saboteur_Navy
    Saboteur_Navy 24 November 2022 13: 25
    +2
    We need a lot of satellites, UAVs, long-range UAVs and sabotage squads, a lot, and then there will be no such MLRS
    Strike on bridges and the Beskydy tunnel with Poplars with a conventional warhead to guarantee the collapse, destroy the Chop completely
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  18. Petr_Koldunov
    Petr_Koldunov 24 November 2022 13: 31
    +2
    The tool is there. The destruction of enemy infrastructure and communications, the transformation of enemy territory into a plowed field - not selectively, but totally! If there is not enough high-precision weapons, it means to hit with the most non-high-precision ones. This is guaranteed protection against shelling of Russian civilian cities. The Chewbaccas must know that for every shell that falls on a residential building, there will be a fiery hell in response, turning another topographical area into dead territory.
    The fear of launching a rocket in the direction of Russian peaceful quarters should outweigh the fear of being reprimanded by the American masters. And our military-industrial complex is quite capable of ensuring such fear. Why doesn't it provide ... what the hell knows!
  19. rtv
    rtv 24 November 2022 13: 38
    +1
    Not a single air defense system will give a 100% guarantee when fighting a technologically equal enemy. Never. Dot. And you need to start from this.
  20. antiaircrafter
    antiaircrafter 24 November 2022 13: 38
    +1
    while there is no effective protection against this weapon

    The best defense against the Himars are the tanks in their starting positions.
  21. solar
    solar 24 November 2022 13: 53
    +2
    The 227-mm projectile of the combat installation hits the target with a cluster filling containing many damaging elements.

    author, Himars does not have ammunition with a cluster part, they have not been produced for a long time
    1. Horon
      Horon 24 November 2022 14: 27
      0
      author, Himars does not have ammunition with a cluster part

      It's just a filling of damaging elements, but someone put into use about its cassette content. winked
  22. Vladimir Postnikov
    Vladimir Postnikov 24 November 2022 13: 53
    0
    American MLRS HIMARS hit Stakhanov, while there is no effective defense against this weapon
    What does no mean? It sucks if it doesn't. Only badness lies not in "effective protection", but in the fact that "effective managers of Russia" have been spreading rot on analysts in all industries for more than thirty years, as a result of which they have successfully expelled them from everywhere, including "domestic research institutes". Their analytical abilities are limited only by the scope of analysis regarding profit. Other analysis that does not bring profit is not available to them at the physiological level. This is due to the fact that any qualitative analysis requires a lot of mental energy costs, and their brain rejects these costs because they do not bring profit.
    It would seem, why then was it necessary to expel real analysts? Yes, for a simple reason: real analysts thirty years ago and today saw and see these "effective managers" through and through. What is it like to steal or receive undeserved preferences if someone can see all your machinations and even all your insides? That's why they removed it. That's why it's crap. And the new capitalist generations were already initially honed for individual pragmatism. So that's a big problem. No wonder Moses led the Jews through the desert for 40 years, while simultaneously fighting the heresy of worshiping the golden calf.
    1. Strannik96
      Strannik96 24 November 2022 14: 09
      0
      Did the analysts themselves write about the rottenness of analysts? Where is this info from? And Moses led the Jews in the wilderness for 40 years for grumbling against the Lord, because. they grumbled that He wants to "rot" them in the desert (in your words) and "wouldn't it be better for us to return to Egypt?" Just like now, the leadership is bad, they want to rot us, etc. That is, to cause a riot in Russia. And our leadership is also mistaken, but it is much more competent than in the West. Take only Burbock statements - hundreds of thousands of kilometers. With such gynecologists in the West, you can destroy any economy
      1. Vladimir Postnikov
        Vladimir Postnikov 24 November 2022 14: 32
        -1
        Quote: Strannik96
        Did the analysts themselves write about the rottenness of analysts? Where is this info from? And Moses led the Jews in the wilderness for 40 years for grumbling against the Lord, because. they grumbled that He wants to "rot" them in the desert (in your words) and "wouldn't it be better for us to return to Egypt?" Just like now, the leadership is bad, they want to rot us, etc. That is, to cause a riot in Russia. And our leadership is also mistaken, but it is much more competent than in the West. Take only Burbock statements - hundreds of thousands of kilometers. With such gynecologists in the West, you can destroy any economy

        No comments, because they are redundant here.
  23. Alexander_Dneprovsky
    Alexander_Dneprovsky 24 November 2022 13: 57
    +2
    It is necessary to treat not a syndrome, but a disease.
    1. Detect HIMARS or UAVs in the launch area. Either the air defense radar is already on the fact of launch. The UAV option is more realistic. We need 500-800 UAVs of the Orlan-10 type.
    2. Because it is necessary to hit HIMARS after detection promptly - the most promising means of destruction are Tornado-S guided projectiles, in the absence of the required number, you can use MLRS packages with cluster warheads, but the probability of defeat will be lower.
    1. haron
      haron 24 November 2022 15: 10
      0
      Quote: Alexander_Dneprovsky
      It is necessary to treat not a syndrome, but a disease.

      HIMARS is not a disease or a syndrome or even a symptom. This is only part of the pathophysiological chain of the symptom.
      The disease, as an accurate diagnosis, has not yet been exposed since the appearance of its first signs.
      And without an accurate diagnosis, a positive outcome of treatment is not possible in principle.
      The "brains" of HIMARSA must be there. Either there is a problem with decrypting all software and hard, or they decrypted it, and the article hides it so that they don’t change anything.
  24. Horon
    Horon 24 November 2022 14: 07
    +3
    There is no one to reason with the Kyiv regime

    It seems like we ourselves volunteered to do this on February 24, and now we want their owners to do it? This mongrel was not trained to drag him away from the bear when she starts to bite him. This naivety is simply amazing: "They are bad, let someone rein them in!". We ourselves volunteered to rein them in, because as they behaved like this before, so then it’s not necessary to whine and complain, but to stop it harshly. am
  25. AHTONOB
    AHTONOB 24 November 2022 14: 08
    0
    No se por qué se hacen las traducciones tan mal. No entiendo por qué se traduce al español Khersón, cuando la más fácil y correcta traducción debería ser Jersón del ruso cirílico XEPCOH. La X cirílica es exactamente lo mismo que J latina. Entonces; ¿por que se trade Kherson? esa sílaba, Khe, no tiene equivalencia fonética con el español ya uno se le traba la lengua al intentar pronunciarla.
  26. Vladimir 290
    Vladimir 290 24 November 2022 14: 19
    +2
    "so far there is no effective protection against these weapons" is the author trying to sow panic? That is, if a Hurricane or a Point was fired at civilian targets, for example, what would he write? Every day they shoot down different missiles, including these hamers. On the other hand, it’s simply physically impossible to put air defense systems everywhere, which is why such terrorist attacks succeed.
    1. Dmitry Rigov
      Dmitry Rigov 24 November 2022 15: 31
      0
      Air defense of the S-300 type is not bad against large single targets, such as the same OTRK or aviation. But shooting down MLRS missiles is just firing a cannon at sparrows. There is only one defense against Hymars - not to let them launch rockets, and trying to catch them after launch is pointless.
      1. Vladimir 290
        Vladimir 290 24 November 2022 15: 49
        0
        Pantsyri, Buki and a bunch of other things work fine for these missiles, as far as I know, but I agree with the S300. Air defense -shniki if they add or correct anything.
  27. Yusik
    Yusik 24 November 2022 15: 15
    0
    "... HIMARS struck at Stakhanov, while there is no effective defense against this weapon ..."
    --------------------
    you can at least try to destroy the supply routes .. Rybar has been talking about this since March .. Moreover, he gave the coordinates of all significant railway junctions .. But for some reason everyone pretends that they don’t see or hear
  28. Gadfly
    Gadfly 24 November 2022 18: 13
    0
    It is necessary to remove the OSA air defense system from storage and saturate the air defense. RZO pulls great! Air defense SV do not ask for solutions????
  29. AdAstra
    AdAstra 24 November 2022 21: 45
    -1
    Everyone writes s-300, 350, shells, beeches, and all this is certainly good, but maybe it was better not to let them reach the front line at all and unload them at the unloading stage?
  30. Sedoy
    Sedoy 24 November 2022 22: 10
    +4
    while there is no effective protection against this weapon

    where does she get...

  31. iouris
    iouris 25 November 2022 00: 18
    0
    There is protection: it is called "Sarmat". Only will is needed.
  32. seacap
    seacap 25 November 2022 11: 12
    0
    There is protection against this, effective techniques and methods exist and are as old as the world. First of all, blocking supplies and logistics routes. A complex for providing intelligence information, including radar reconnaissance, a satellite constellation, AWACS aircraft, etc. "analogues not in the world" with which we have been regaled all these years beyond measure on a daily basis, of course, common truths and "favorites" of any commander - the good old intelligence units, the organization of banal observation, analysis and echeloned combat duty of forces and means of counter-battery units and air defense. This is the duty and the usual daily work of a commander of any level, the basics that determine his professionalism and suitability for the position.
  33. t200404
    t200404 25 November 2022 21: 00
    0
    Of all the irons they broadcast - we are at war with NATO, why then be surprised - compare the budget of NATO and the Russian Federation.
  34. BorzRio
    BorzRio 29 November 2022 09: 01
    +1
    I can’t even read the comments, because there is always the same thing:
    one). We have all sorts of S-1s, etc., but there are very few of them, if there were more, everyone would be happy.
    2). It is necessary to hit the bridges and railway nodes! Every day. Three times! In hour!
    3.) We need an analogue of the Iron Dome!
    4) It's time to hit London!