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"We didn't send you there!" - has already begun!

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"We didn't send you there!" - has already begun!

Well, implicitly we (some non-optimists) were waiting for this. And who waited - waited. Again, as in those days when the state grinned at the faces of the Afghans: "We did not send you there." It wasn't, it wasn't, and here it is again.


What is the point: Andrey Vladimirovich Panchenko, a resident of the Stavropol Territory, voluntarily took part in the SVO as part of the 13th BARS detachment. In the performance of his military duties, A.V. Panchenko died. His father, Panchenko Vladimir Voldemarovich, filed an appeal with the administration of the Stavropol Territory for a lump-sum allowance in connection with the death of A.V. Panchenko.

And here it is not worth going into how everything was arranged, what papers were attached, I am sure that the death of Andrei Panchenko was documented as it should be. And if something was crooked - no big deal. The bureaucrats had to survive this.

Andrey Panchenko is a hero. Whatever he did in his last fight, no matter how he died, he is a hero. He was a real Russian hero when he volunteered for Barca. And the fact that he died like a hero is a fact worthy of regret and memory.

And so the father of the hero came to the authorities to receive a payment. For a son. It doesn’t matter what she will do, for Andrey’s children, if there are any, for something else - it doesn’t matter at all. The important thing is that Vladimir Voldemarovich was simply sent. Politely, with all tact, but sent.






To be honest, I don’t understand why Vladimir Vladimirovich Vladimirov, the governor of the Stavropol Territory, a man with a more than decent working biography, has such subordinates. I don't know what to call them correctly. Let the citizens be.

So, I don’t understand how such a person has such citizens in his offices. And who do they work for? As for me - so to Kyiv, no less.

Minister (a whole minister!!!) of labor and social protection of the population of the Stavropol Territory E.V. Mamontova, First Deputy Minister of Labor and Social Development E.V. Chizhik, Leading Specialist of the Department of Social and Legal Guarantees Yu.V. Gizenko - these citizens explained to Panchenko Sr. on several sheets that he had no rights to receive benefits.

We tried. We worked.

Now, if Andrey Panchenko signed a contract for at least 6 months in the Stavropol Regional Military Commissariat, that's when ...

And Andrei Panchenko was not sent anywhere by the Stavropol military enlistment office. Logically, he went voluntarily. At Barca. To which, of course, the Stavropol military registration and enlistment office has nothing to do. And the contract was concluded not there, not within the walls of the military registration and enlistment office. That's why he needs to be rejected.

A direct question arises in person: are you, Madam Minister, paying out of your own pocket and do you have holes there? Need to save?

And this is Madam Minister of Labor and Social Protection. She is very protective of her countrymen. Let's look into their honest and truthful eyes, Mamontova Elena Viktorovna and Chizhik Elena Vasilievna.


E.V. Mamontova, photo kp.ru


E.V. Chizhik, photo abmosk.ru

And let's ask a question. Him and Vladimirov. Gentlemen managers, how are you going to work further? For yourself or for the people? Mr. Governor, your people are a disgrace to Stavropol... React. Need. It's time.

Let's digress a little, leaving these citizens somewhere on the side. And let's look a little ahead.

Already today, some openly express their joy in this way about the fact that “Here, December 1 will come - shut up” (List of information from the FSB that can be used against the security of the Russian Federation). Probably yes. Have to. And tell me then, where should Panchenko Sr. go after December 1? Don't sing me fabulous songs about the prosecutor's office and other ICs, during my three years of fighting against the monuments to the Italian fascists, I personally wrote everywhere. And from where only the replies did not receive. And all to no avail.

Our entire current vertical of power is built in such a way that the officials who are on the ladder, the higher, the less trouble they have. And as you can see, they don't bother much. And they don't give a damn about the electorate, they hide behind their instructions and resolutions so that "Contact-5" nervously smokes on the sidelines. This applies to absolutely all departments, although it is worth noting that in some regions the governors have shown themselves more than worthy. But alas, this is not universal.

And when the media stops talking about these topics, the pink dream of every official will come true. Do chaos, and nothing will happen to you for it. The only ones who could somehow stir up any swamps, journalists, will be out of the game.

Well, we won’t tell how our officials don’t hand over their own. Here is another example drawn.

But I would recommend that they all think about this: what will happen when half a million participants return from the war? And 300 thousand mobilized, and Barca, and volunteers ... Yes, maybe not half a million, maybe less. And how will the battle-brothers react when they learn that the parents of their dead comrades have been so treated?

I would think very hard ahead. It makes sense.

In general, it is time for all those in power to think about what the policy of disregard for the people can lead to. And the millionth National Guard may not be saved, they, the National Guard, were sitting there in the trenches in the same way. Will they press "their" - the question ...

The future we will live in tomorrow is already happening today. And therefore, those who are responsible for what it will be like tomorrow, today it is time to think very seriously. To everyone, from an official who, in the throes of conscience, gave birth to a refusal to allow the father of the deceased hero.

There is less and less time left.

We ask Governor Vladimirov to intervene in the current situation, to rein in the excessively economical minister and her deputy. This disgusting case simply must be corrected. And only then it is worth considering whether the Madam Ministers correspond to their positions so much.
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  1. frog
    frog 24 November 2022 04: 11
    +41
    Somehow they were delayed with this matter ..... Shortcomings in the work, it happens .....
    And in general - it is absolutely never surprising. Alas.
    1. Aerodrome
      Aerodrome 24 November 2022 04: 17
      +106
      what kind of cooks are sitting in the offices .. they 100% smeared their children, s.uchki.
      1. Vladimir_2U
        Vladimir_2U 24 November 2022 04: 49
        +97
        Quote: Aerodrome
        what kind of cooks are sitting in the offices .. they 100% smeared their children, s.uchki.

        The answer to the words "We did not send you there" in a mild version is "The state sent you there, are you a representative of the state? If not, then what are you doing here?"
        Well, about the "United Russia" as the party of power should also be mentioned.
        1. dauria
          dauria 24 November 2022 05: 32
          +43
          "The state sent it there, are you a representative of the state? If not, what are you doing here?"

          The situation is not the first and not the last. Things like this don't work out that way. A person should not be left alone with the legal colossus of the state. The public organization of the same veterans must maintain a staff of lawyers and so on. , have access to the media .
          Surely officials just found wrong (in their opinion) executed documents and do not take responsibility for issuing benefits. (Will you take it?)
          The parties go to court and sort it out, the media is on guard just in case. This is how it should be in normal operation.
          However, this is Russia. Here, trade unions have not arisen in 30 years, and only dream about the rest.
          1. Lykases1
            Lykases1 24 November 2022 06: 43
            +48
            If only a command is given from above - sort it out. Otherwise, neither lawyers nor the media will help. For the sake of interest, watch the channel Especially Dangerous Lawyer. There, in detail, with examples from practice, an example is given of how the Investigative Committee, the prosecutor's office, and the court work. Even a very stubborn person will give up.
            1. frog
              frog 24 November 2022 06: 53
              +18
              Absolutely agree. In this matter, knowledge really increases grief.....
              Knowledge of the real "law enforcement" practice greatly contributes to the understanding of the national saying about the prison and the knapsack ....
              1. Akuzenka
                Akuzenka 24 November 2022 17: 33
                +5
                In general, an article for the note of patriots. By this.
                1. frog
                  frog 24 November 2022 18: 21
                  +4
                  Well ...... It's quite .... a strange gradation ... if for ... speaking the truth feel .
                  But still sane people who are aware of the real life they live in, and so they know it. Unfortunately.
                2. Romario_Argo
                  Romario_Argo 25 November 2022 14: 19
                  -3
                  an article for those who have legal nihilism - according to Medvedev
                  father - who? no one (!) is a former family
                  the wife will receive the money after 6 months from the account of the deceased husband (!)
                  1. Akuzenka
                    Akuzenka 25 November 2022 15: 48
                    +1
                    the wife will receive the money after 6 months from the account of the deceased husband (!)
                    This norm of the law is not one dozen years old. Fully enter into the inheritance is possible only after the expiration of this period.
                    1. Romario_Argo
                      Romario_Argo 25 November 2022 16: 16
                      +2
                      so I about it - the article is complete misinformation
                      what herger said - and everyone accepted everything for the truth
                      and comments on the article are just an insult to civil servants
                      and the moderators from VO missed - oh well done what (!)
                      The FSB sees everything - remembers everything and everyone (!)
                      the word posted on the Internet is stored for 75 years - when, where and who
                      1. Akuzenka
                        Akuzenka 25 November 2022 16: 20
                        +1
                        So we put a bold plus to enemy propaganda. Works well! Didn't they take ours away?
                        Reminded:
                        Comrade, believe me, it will pass.
                        The so-called publicity.
                        And then there's security.
                        Remember your names!
                        Do not remember, no options. As long as it doesn't touch money, they won't itch.
                      2. ramzay21
                        ramzay21 28 November 2022 19: 29
                        0
                        Until such criminals are put up against the wall with confiscation of property, the situation will never begin to change.
                        In general, the Yeltsin-Putin system of governing the country is completely rotten and inoperative, so our country needs a different system. Officials live in a completely different reality and they primarily solve their problems at the expense of the people without reporting to the people.
                      3. Akuzenka
                        Akuzenka 29 November 2022 09: 13
                        0
                        Officials live in a completely different reality and they primarily solve their problems at the expense of the people without reporting to the people.
                        And where did you see under capitalism, another "fair" system?
                      4. Zug
                        Zug 25 November 2022 21: 20
                        +3
                        My brother fought in 13 Bars on his first business trip. From April to June. If he comes back, I’ll ask him, unless, of course, he knew him.
                      5. nikon7717
                        nikon7717 28 November 2022 09: 43
                        +2
                        I have one more specific question for your brother, our defense attorney. Ask him how they draw up the documents, how and who they indicate as heirs in the event of death and close relatives to whom to report. This article has an interesting case of law. Now, according to the new laws, everything is already there, both volunteers and PMCs as members of the SVO, and they are entitled to benefits. It seems that state support after the fact should be mandatory, but someone decided otherwise.
                      6. Zug
                        Zug 28 November 2022 10: 10
                        +1
                        On the first business trip, as far as I know, the CONTRACT was signed at that time in front of a ribbon like. When I switched it back after the expiration of the term, they didn’t give him anything, not even a copy. Now I don’t know, I already signed the contract there, don’t forget, these are volunteers, not mobilized. They pass along another branch and there the difference with the army is huge
                      7. nikon7717
                        nikon7717 28 November 2022 17: 13
                        0
                        See. Here again we see shortcomings in the law, unclear definitions, which have many consequences in the future for the participants. They may feel deceived, but full confidence in their provision is required, guarantees for ALL members of the NWO, both volunteers and PMCs, and the army, the provision of payments and benefits to everyone, like the army, with the accrual of pensions and seniority.
                        After all, there is an opportunity now to push it all through. This at the level of the State Duma, the government, funds (PFR, social insurance) needs to be leveled. Define clear criteria, budgets, but nothing has been done...
                      8. Zug
                        Zug 29 November 2022 02: 23
                        +1
                        Well, at least they paid my brother, and they wounded a friend of mine, they transferred 3 million. Well, it turned out more with the finding. Toko’s brother was given to sign a statement about the end of the contract, they didn’t even give a copy when he was driving back, but they said in the commissariat if what’s wrong, we’ll figure it out right away. And in general, my brother said that everything is cultural in the military registration and enlistment office, it’s clear that they are working with participation. Grit, I’ll come soon anyway, and without problems. In general, as he noticed there, there is a special attitude towards volunteers, at least here, in Karelia, in the Petrozavodsk Commisariat
                      9. Alexandre77
                        Alexandre77 29 November 2022 15: 09
                        0
                        Is the photo posted in the body of the article a photoshop?
                3. frog
                  frog 26 November 2022 11: 33
                  +2
                  Mmm ..... Probably .... Only an adequate person already knows this. And inadequate ..... We see these here too lol
              2. seregatara1969
                seregatara1969 25 November 2022 08: 40
                -1
                Not a single official feels any responsibility for himself!
                1. frog
                  frog 25 November 2022 11: 32
                  +1
                  It depends on what he does. if when communicating with the electorate - I agree. if, like Yuri Mikhalych, they very quickly explain how and how wrong he is wink
            2. Akuzenka
              Akuzenka 24 November 2022 09: 27
              +14
              Therefore, in the Russian Federation they never legalize a civilian short-barrel.
              1. your1970
                your1970 24 November 2022 23: 07
                -1
                Quote: AKuzenka
                Therefore, in the Russian Federation they never legalize a civilian short-barrel.
                - because petty officials the first will they buy pistols and kill complainers in their offices?

                But seriously, in the USA there are 400 (!!!!!!) million barrels per 360 million population. And this Everest of weapons did not stop the BLM - when they robbed everything and everyone ...
                1. cat Rusich
                  cat Rusich 24 November 2022 23: 32
                  +5
                  Quote: your1970

                  But seriously, in the USA there are 400 (!!!!!!) million barrels per 360 million population. And this Everest of weapons did not stop the BLM - when they robbed everything and everyone ...
                  I can remember a case...
                  Without details (too lazy to look for links on the Internet ...) - A guy, aged 18 or a little more, joined the "vigilantes" (or as they are called in the USA), picked up his own M-14 (civilian model, or again I won't hit ...) - during a foot patrol of his area (where he and his family live), the combatant, after verbal warnings, shot BLACK "rebel" (natural robber) ...
                  Shot under the camera (smartphone or something else) - and then it started, the guy was put on trial on charges of premeditated murder.
                  The court figured everything out and the murder charge was canceled, footage from the court session was shown on the news - the charge was built on the very fact of the murder, without taking into account the identity of the victim and the circumstances.
                  Lucky guy...
                  hi
                2. Akuzenka
                  Akuzenka 25 November 2022 10: 34
                  +1
                  - because petty officials will be the first to buy pistols for themselves and will kill complainers in their offices?
                  Of course, but what about their complainers?! And it would never occur to any official to honestly fulfill his duties?! Or are they on another planet?
                  1. your1970
                    your1970 25 November 2022 13: 49
                    +3
                    [quote = AKuzenka] A honestly It would never occur to any official to fulfill his duties?! [/ Quote] -and you didn’t read the law to which they refer in the answer ?!
                    Law of the Stavropol Territory 20kz
                    "..............
                    2) volunteers - citizens of the Russian Federation residing on the territory of the Stavropol Territory who have concluded a contract (contracts) on participation in a special military operation with a total duration of ne less than 6 months (hereinafter referred to as the contract) and sent by the military commissariat Stavropol Territory to participate in a special military operation;"
                    and what should they do next - if the deceased NOT falls under this provision of the law??
                    Tomorrow the prosecutor's office will come to them and ask - "Why did you violate the Law?" And what then?! Who will stand up for them - when they get an article of the Criminal Code for inappropriate purposes? / quote] They walk on this planet and know what it can easily be.
                    1. Akuzenka
                      Akuzenka 25 November 2022 13: 53
                      -1
                      and what should they do next - if the deceased does NOT fall under this position of the law??
                      Demand from the higher authorities the PERMISSION of this conflict. Nothing else. And recommend! apply to the court with the necessary wording. Of course, sending is much easier.
                      1. your1970
                        your1970 25 November 2022 14: 04
                        +1
                        Quote: AKuzenka
                        Nothing else.
                        -You correctly noted that they cannot do more than they wrote. The deadline for responding to appeals is 30 days. For violation of the deadlines, the prosecutor's office will fight. The term for amending the law is obviously more than 30 days
                        Recommend going to court - can.
                        С "necessary wording" - prohibited Prosecutor General's Office as a restriction of the rights of citizens in the subject of a lawsuit
                        What else can they do in this situation?
                      2. your1970
                        your1970 25 November 2022 14: 25
                        +5
                        Quote: AKuzenka
                        And it would never occur to any official to honestly fulfill his duties?!
                        -and further..
                        a complainant comes to me.
                        In 1994, “Sergei Petrovich” was entered in his certificate of ownership of the land - although according to his passport he is Serik Bisengalievich. There was such a fashion among the Kazakhs in the 1960s and 70s to write in Russian names / patronymics.
                        The committee that issued such a certificate was liquidated in 1998. No one can make a correction - either physically or legally. Exclusively through the court. I explained everything to him several times, told where to find lawyers or lawyers, even they found a girl lawyer in his family (and she perfectly understood that there would be a problem with the inheritance, if not changed now).
                        To no purpose....
                        He wrote for 3 years on me 26 complaints.
                        He was answered from the Prosecutor General's Office and the President's Office - that only through the courts. Even some human rights activists have already answered him that through the court ...
                        It does not help.
                        He keeps coming to us with a demand to make a correction in his testimony - in court, you have to pay the state duty
                        He calls me a female dog, a fool, a 3.1415-race, a beast.
                        Says that I write letters to him....
                        What to do in this situation?
                        You can’t write it down covertly - an article of the Criminal Code, openly - he understands everything and holds his tongue a little.
                        And these are 90% of our complainers,

                        Even here in the article- NOT even reading the answer, not like the law - a bunch of comments "Damned bureaucrats offend !!".
                        And no one even wants to understand closely, why did they give such an answer? why all of a sudden?
                      3. Akuzenka
                        Akuzenka 25 November 2022 15: 36
                        +2
                        Even here in the article - NOT even reading the answer, not like the law - a bunch of comments "Damned bureaucrats offend !!".
                        You know, in personal experience there are several negative examples when officials sent, out of the blue. He didn’t swear, didn’t write complaints, but went straight to the procurator (the matter concerned the issuance of a passport). When they got a hat, I came to them, everything was drawn up for me, and they made a claim, like it couldn’t be for good? I say, I even approached with cognac and a polite request, but you sent it impolitely. Well, to hesitate, - it happens. Sometimes I say because of your stupidity. If a person came in and politely addressed, you have a reflex - GO! Offended, they didn't say that. He let me watch the video, as he came in, as he asked. They saw their faces, heard their words. So what? A month later, the same picture. He didn't say a word, turned around and again "bast soap - start over." Well, how?! And this is a trifle. And if it concerns other matters, it’s scary for me to even think.
                      4. nikon7717
                        nikon7717 28 November 2022 10: 04
                        0
                        he doesn’t even want to understand it closely, but why did they give such an answer? why all of a sudden?
                        You are right about the local law. But here again the omission of both the regional legislative assembly and officials at the ministerial level. They did not promptly bring the law into line with the federal ones, with higher ones. Again, this is not a quality performance of their duties. Why was the initiation of amendments to the laws not carried out??? Why is there no response to the acute demands of society? Here, officials of this level are in any way under attack and the governor is under attack. Again the problem will be solved manually
                      5. your1970
                        your1970 28 November 2022 12: 34
                        0
                        Quote: nikon7717
                        They did not promptly bring the law into line with the federal ones, with higher ones. Again, this is not a quality performance of their duties.

                        And again, people heard something somewhere ..
                        Changes to the Federal Law come into force from....01.01.2023!!!!


                        Quote: nikon7717
                        Why is there no response to the acute demands of society?

                        And here it is very slippery ... very ..
                        Personal example.
                        I served a term in Kushka in 1988-1990.
                        Every day before the withdrawal, I went to Afghanistan to clean and prepare equipment in the field park.
                        40 days official business trips to Afghanistan.
                        At that time, the provision was in effect that for the "Warrior of the Internationalist" it was necessary 30 travel days.
                        Then they were entitled to benefits - practically no exams for college, housing in a separate queue, telephone - in a separate queue, and a bunch more.
                        After the demobilization, I didn’t go to the military registration and enlistment office to knock out a sign ..
                        And it was possible (if you spit on your conscience !!) - to tear the vest on your chest "Yes, I shed blood in Afghanistan ... !!!".
                        And people would be indignant - "Yes, what kind of bureaucrats are the damned sitting in the military registration and enlistment office !!!". And quite legal and legitimate I would get a sign..
                        And with the support indignant (but nifiga not knowing!!!!!) public - 200%...

                        Z.Y.
                        God forbid, I do not compare my case and the case of the death of a person
                      6. Akuzenka
                        Akuzenka 25 November 2022 15: 45
                        0
                        With the "necessary wording" - prohibited by the Prosecutor General's Office as a restriction of the rights of citizens in the subject of a lawsuit
                        What else can they do in this situation?
                        Those. the state "serving" the interests of citizens, forbids them to serve properly. In principle, not a discovery for me, but thanks for another piece of the puzzle.
                      7. your1970
                        your1970 25 November 2022 16: 35
                        +1
                        Quote: AKuzenka
                        With the "necessary wording" - prohibited by the Prosecutor General's Office as a restriction of the rights of citizens in the subject of a lawsuit
                        What else can they do in this situation?
                        Those. the state "serving" the interests of citizens, forbids them to serve properly. In principle, not a discovery for me, but thanks for another piece of the puzzle.

                        let's say - government agency can not give an answer with the wording "Go to court with a claim to confirm your full name in the certificate for the right to land issued in 1994 in accordance with the article of the Civil Code of the Russian Federation." it imposition(!!!!) a citizen of the requirements not established for this body - despite the fact that in his absolute right not to go anywhere and do nothing. And compel its something to do in this situation - government agency has no right.
                    2. Sergey985
                      Sergey985 25 November 2022 14: 38
                      +1
                      It is the duty of the legislator to eliminate such gaps in the law. Formally, the officials are right, they did not break the law. As a human being, this is pretty gross.
                      1. your1970
                        your1970 25 November 2022 14: 48
                        +1
                        Quote: Sergey985
                        It is the duty of the legislator to eliminate such gaps in the law. Formally, the officials are right, they did not break the law. As a human being, this is pretty gross.

                        in the first edition, they did not have a term and a military registration and enlistment office. Perhaps later there were changes to the federal law, perhaps because of the "500x" ..
                        I do not know
                      2. Olga
                        Olga 25 November 2022 16: 22
                        0
                        Quote: your1970
                        Even here in the article - NOT even reading the answer, not like the law - a bunch of comments "Damned bureaucrats offend !!".
                        And no one even wants to understand closely, why did they give such an answer? why all of a sudden?

                        Thanks for your comments. Not everyone has the patience to explain.
                        Unfortunately, in such articles we see few adequate comments. Moreover, the author --> author --> the author of the article has already "submitted" the information "as it should."
                      3. Olga
                        Olga 25 November 2022 16: 37
                        0
                        Quote: Sergey985
                        It is the duty of the legislator to eliminate such gaps in the law. Formally, the officials are right, they did not violate the law.

                        You are right.

                        Quote: Sergey985
                        On a human level, it's all pretty gross.

                        No less vile and something else:
                        each! I repeat - EVERYONE!!! can take and help at least something!!! For example, to contact the author of the article and get involved in the issue, for example, to take over going through the authorities (for the correct completion of documents), etc.
                        Do you think that there will be many of the most ardent "shouters" who want to help?
                3. frog
                  frog 25 November 2022 11: 33
                  0
                  It won't help. Arguments of reason will not help everyone who vehemently morphs into a short barrel. And if they help, they don’t morph)).
            3. Barberry25
              Barberry25 24 November 2022 09: 58
              -7
              for the sake of interest, it is recommended first of all to find out which documents for which allowance you need to submit. In fact, it is known that the documents were drawn up incorrectly ... What prevents you from clarifying on the hotline and compiling it correctly?
              1. Xnumx vis
                Xnumx vis 24 November 2022 16: 51
                +16
                Quote: Barberry25
                .In fact, it is known that the documents were drawn up incorrectly ..

                What prevents officials from helping to draw up documents correctly, to treat human grief without bureaucratic laziness and cynicism. Thanks to Roman for raising such questions, bringing them to the surface .. He didn’t let this case drown in bureaucratic shit ....
                1. Plate
                  Plate 24 November 2022 20: 01
                  -3
                  Quote: 30 vis
                  What prevents officials from helping to draw up documents correctly, to treat human grief without bureaucratic laziness and cynicism.

                  I do not defend them, but even if they decide to help in the correct preparation of documents, the wrong ones have already been submitted, and they must be refused.
                  Knowing the inhabitants of the offices, I understand that they are unlikely to do so, but, objectively speaking, a speedy trial with the appointment of the guilty never leads to anything good.
                2. Barberry25
                  Barberry25 24 November 2022 22: 00
                  +3
                  1) Any application must be answered in writing.
                  2) after a written response, you can assist in the preparation of a new application and this is not laziness and cynicism, these are the rules of workflow.
            4. SKVichyakow
              SKVichyakow 25 November 2022 13: 56
              +2
              Quote: Lykases1
              If only a command is given from above - sort it out. Otherwise, neither lawyers nor the media will help. For the sake of interest, watch the channel Especially Dangerous Lawyer. There, in detail, with examples from practice, an example is given of how the Investigative Committee, the prosecutor's office, and the court work. Even a very stubborn person will give up.

              This is the system of power that our head of state built with United Russia in a compartment. And the fact that they would say so, I did not doubt for a second. This is the essence of their life.
          2. Hagen
            Hagen 24 November 2022 06: 53
            +15
            Quote: dauria
            Surely officials just found wrong (in their opinion) executed documents and do not take responsibility for issuing benefits. (Will you take it?)

            All right. The official works within the framework of the granted authority, and not out of compassion. Here they will take and pay the applicant benefits from compassion and the great state concept of justice at the request of the VO. Tomorrow, after another check of the financial accounting of some KRO, an "inappropriate" expenditure of funds that is not secured by law will be revealed, and the same author will write about the same officials that they plundered the treasury. Is not it so? Here we must look for another way. It is necessary to change or amend the legislation so that it takes into account ALL categories of persons performing military duty in the NWO. An official should be called to account if he does not comply with the law.
            1. Ingvar 72
              Ingvar 72 24 November 2022 07: 10
              +30
              Quote: Hagen
              All right. The official works within the framework of the granted authority, and not out of compassion.

              Should powers be adjusted? Was the law on non-disclosure of losses in peacetime adopted in advance? GOST about mass graves also advance in advance? And why were the payments delayed then? "Loved", or was it intended?
              1. Hagen
                Hagen 24 November 2022 08: 08
                -3
                Quote: Ingvar 72
                Should powers be adjusted?

                Of course they should, and I see that the correction is underway. But this correction is positive if it is regulated correctly. Not by customs and concepts, but by normative acts. Officials are also the same people as everyone else. They should not make decisions at their own peril and risk contrary to the law.
                Quote: Ingvar 72
                And why were the payments delayed then?

                A question for the "chosen people". Although I think that it would be appropriate for us to apply the principles of the Paris Commune - any chosen one of the people can have their powers revoked at any time of his work, if there is adequate justification. And it must be a workable law. I will not discuss GOST about mass graves, I do not know this.
                1. Ingvar 72
                  Ingvar 72 24 November 2022 08: 52
                  +14
                  Quote: Hagen
                  I see that the correction is coming.

                  Where is it going? Maybe it's enough to wipe what is not wiped? Article about what? An official who is not able to quickly solve the problem should be removed due to incompetence
                  Quote: Hagen
                  I will not discuss GOST about mass graves, I do not know this.

                  Of course you don't know. Google to the rescue.
                  1. Hagen
                    Hagen 24 November 2022 09: 24
                    -2
                    Quote: Ingvar 72
                    An official who is not able to quickly solve the problem should be removed due to incompetence

                    There is probably no point in repeating to you that an official works within the powers designated by law. You do not learn, obviously, simple truths. Therefore, you do not know what goes where and for what purpose. You are better before the elections, which you may or may not attend, communicate with those who call you to vote for him. Then it will be clear what laws will be adopted on your territory, in the region, etc. It's a long song though. I know from experience that not every deputy masters the legislation on the basis of which he tries to work. laughing We are such people, on average ...
                    1. El Barto
                      El Barto 24 November 2022 14: 37
                      +8
                      You write amazing things. Either out of a sense of contradiction, or out of a desire to justify any actions of the "bosses".
                      I explain - that's what the official is given authority to take solutions within the framework of the current legislation.
                      However, among decision makers, the most common categories are:
                      - people of a certain "accounting" warehouse, who are exerting all their meager intellectual strength in order to by all means, by hook or by crook, trying to deprive people of what these people are supposed to, diligently look for any item in the rules and laws, and in your documents the wrong comma or incorrect font size/ink color to deny you any claim. And at the same time, they present themselves as the most honest defenders of Pravda and Law. I don’t know where such evil menopausal witches come from, but all state and municipal institutions, as well as all sorts of accounting and personnel departments at enterprises, are crammed with them.
                      - lazy indifferent creatures who consider people to be feces, and who find it easier to type your name into a ready-made refusal template than to deal with approval approvals.
                      And very rarely there are those who think about people and try to help them.
                      And by the way, this is not only in our country, and not only in the state sphere.
                      1. German
                        German 24 November 2022 15: 12
                        +12
                        @El Barto, I agree completely. From my own experience, I can say that the Governor's call to these ladies from the article will encourage them to quickly find solutions within their powers ... the payment will occur within two business days. Completely legal! In the case of a call from the Kremlin, payment will be made within XNUMX hours.
                        Unfortunately so.
                      2. nils
                        nils 26 November 2022 17: 06
                        +1
                        Quote: German
                        ...the Governor's call will encourage them to quickly find solutions within their powers... In the case of a call from the Kremlin, payment will be made within XNUMX hours.

                        Do the governor and the Kremlin need this?
                      3. Hagen
                        Hagen 24 November 2022 16: 26
                        -1
                        Quote: El Barto
                        And very rarely there are those who think about people and try to help them.

                        Thinking about people and helping them is all money. I'll tell you an even more amazing thing, money is different. Some require some vague conditions, while others require compliance with a clear set of grounds and documents. In the described case, it is clear that they refused for the lack of any confirmation and some stipulated deadlines. If there is any misunderstanding of the official's decision, there is prosecutorial supervision, which today is specifically aimed by the Prosecutor General's Office to ensure that everything that is required in connection with the SVO is brought to the people.
                        You're asking :
                        Quote: El Barto
                        Where do such evil menopausal witches come from

                        Yes, that's from a misunderstanding by those who apply for common truths to whom for what decisions you can and should turn. And the problem must be solved after analyzing the causes of the problem, and not by checker attacks on the first man in a jacket that comes across. And yes, a normal lawyer is often needed to understand what and under what circumstances can be demanded from the executive branch, what from the legislative one. But we do not have the leisure to find a literate person, we all want it ourselves ... for unknown reasons.
                        Quote: El Barto
                        I explain - that's why the official is given the authority to make decisions within the framework of the current legislation.

                        how does this contradict my
                        Quote: Hagen
                        the official works within the limits of the powers designated by law
                        ?
                        You explain this to the author .... yes, to Ingvar, perhaps ...
                      4. El Barto
                        El Barto 24 November 2022 18: 41
                        +7
                        Contradictory.
                        You are talking about an ideal spherical official in a vacuum.
                        And in my practice, 100% of won cases on contesting acts / actions of state bodies. There are many, hundreds.
                        What does it say? The fact that an official is either (a) massively mentally handicapped and unable to understand the content and essence of regulations, as well as his place in the universe,
                        or (b) through negligence or malice massively violates the rights of citizens.
                        And people are forced to spend time, nerves, money (for legal services) so that in six months the judge will give them by their decision what they should have received from the official in a couple of days.
                        Therefore, our courts are overloaded, because judges are forced to think and decide for officials.

                        And how many of those who do not apply anywhere?
                      5. Hagen
                        Hagen 25 November 2022 06: 34
                        -3
                        Quote: El Barto
                        an official is either (a) massively mentally handicapped and unable to understand the content and essence of regulations, as well as his place in the universe,

                        Firstly, officials are the same people as you and me, and a lot of colleagues on the forum. They are not imported from another planet. These are our neighbors and classmates. They are just as defective as everyone around them, including us. Secondly, the essence of the article. There is no data in the article about an appeal against his actions by a supervisory authority, there is no court decision on the unlawfulness of the official's actions. Those. all your arguments about your practice are about 100% bluff and exaggeration, nothing more. Win or lose there - who knows? It doesn't say anything. I myself participated in the courts. Once won, once lost. Let me just say that in my case, with my loss, i.e. I did not sue what I planned, the court nevertheless decided in my favor (labor relations), rewinding the situation to its original position with the cancellation of the dismissal article (sorry for the detail). Why am I saying this, to the fact that the court in the struggle between the citizen and the state often in controversial moments adheres to the side of the citizen, as a priori the weaker side in need of greater protection. By the way, judges are almost the same civil servants (although they are formally put into a separate category of officials). To judge the state of this confrontation, one must study the phenomenon not on personal experience, which you will not confirm, but on statistical data. For example, in 2009, according to the Judicial Department of the Supreme Court of the Russian Federation, the courts considered 461,1 thousand civil claims of individuals against the authorities. 4,34 million reverse claims were considered. The courts satisfied 416,3 thousand claims of individuals (90,3%) and 4,29 million claims of the state (98,8%). Thus, the chance of a citizen to win a lawsuit with the state is 9,7%. It should be borne in mind that the party filing a lawsuit, as a rule, conducts serious pre-trial preparation of the claim materials, as a result of which the judicial perspective of the claim is more or less clarified. If there is no such prospect, then the claim is not filed.
                        Quote: El Barto
                        And how many of those who do not apply anywhere?

                        Often, they do not apply because there is no prospect of victory. Only. Those. in order to draw conclusions about the quality of an official's work, it is necessary to follow the entire dispute on the documents, not missing the little things. Little things are missed in the article, and often journalists in general, without delving into the details of the case, raise a wave in the wrong direction. After all, they are no different from the general average mass of citizens in terms of the quality of their labor functions, including officials. There may well be "nothing", and talented ones are rare, as in other sectors of the economy.
                      6. Ingvar 72
                        Ingvar 72 25 November 2022 09: 22
                        0
                        Quote: El Barto
                        in my practice, 100% of won cases on contesting acts / actions of state bodies. There are many, hundreds

                        I do not believe. For he himself very often encountered bureaucratic lawlessness, and complaints and disputes did not help. GZHI, Gorgaz, Department of road facilities - replies, only replies. Once managed to challenge the traffic police fine.
                      7. Alexander Vorontsov
                        Alexander Vorontsov 24 November 2022 22: 43
                        0
                        Quote: El Barto
                        I explain - that's why the official is given the authority to make decisions within the framework of the current legislation.

                        That's exactly what is within the framework, and not only legislation but also the budget.

                        There are many items of expenditure - here are boarding schools for disabled children, and the purchase of medicine for cancer patients in the terminal stage, and the money allocated for the purchase of defibrillators for ambulance crews.

                        And if at the level above the money for "volunteers" was not provided - where will the official have to get them from? About each of the categories described, I can write such a tearful article for you in 3 hours that you will sit with a bottle of vodka and sob. About a girl Masha, who was abandoned by her alcoholic parents, and at the age of 5 she reads poems about the FATHERLAND. I found out that I have a huge family... a river... the sky is blue. This all is mine! dear! I love everyone in the world.
                        This is my homeland.
                        And what about the fatherland? And the fatherland wanted to spit on her! Ghoulish officials! Oooo...

                        Or like this. During sports competitions, a young pupil of Omsk Gazmyas suddenly died, right on the football field. The doctors on duty did not have a defibrillator! But the guy was a patriot and wanted to enter a military school! The country has lost the future Matrosov! Brothers!!! How long will we tolerate the ghouls of officials?!


                        - Witnesses of a heartbreaking spectacle were visitors to the clinic of the city of Verkhniye Bory. A disabled woman, sobbing, crawled on her knees in front of the head physician of the local clinic, begging to write her drugs for her husband, who was dying of oncology, who had been screaming in pain for 3 nights in a row. The husband there, too, for greater brilliance, should not be simple, but all and orders almost for the capture of Berlin. He wore fragments in his body for the country, and the country gave him a painful death!

                        IMHO
                        When a person volunteers, he should think IN ADVANCE about those issues that are important to him. If he considers the issue of the financial situation of his family important in the event of his death, then he must simply CORRECTLY formalize his participation.

                        If this is not possible, then he must make a choice whether he is ready to accept such risks (no payouts).

                        Does the person have a BRAIN? You buy a car - there is some kind of procedure. Established by law. Any serious action is also associated with the norms of the law. Payment of sick leave by employers. Trial periods.

                        If a person HIMSELF went along the road OUTSIDE of any warranty obligations - who is to blame for this?
                      8. El Barto
                        El Barto 25 November 2022 00: 41
                        +4
                        Himself, not himself.
                        Firstly, as a volunteer, he was brainwashed with chatter about social guarantees, caring for the family and other things that "heroes are not forgotten" and other things like that.
                        Not everyone will agree to go to war, knowing that his family will simply be thrown.
                        Secondly, in the same way, mobilized people who are not volunteers at all, they definitely didn’t ask for it to join the army, are thrown quite massively with payments.
                        It turns out their only trouble is that they screwed up and failed to get away from the draft board in time?
                        It's fine.
                        With such an approach and attitude towards people who, by the way, are required to go to die, they (the authorities at all levels) will very quickly wait for the first thing that the people will tell them "Go to the Penis. Fight yourself. For your budgets and the laws that you wrote"
                        And secondly, the fate of the authorities in 1917
                      9. Alexander Vorontsov
                        Alexander Vorontsov 25 November 2022 01: 35
                        -1
                        When I read what you write, the hairs on my head stand on end.
                        Have you read the scanned documents?

                        I'm trying to simulate the situation. I'm going... not on a two-day kayak trip. And as part of a group of armed people to lay at other people !!! I have to KILL other people.
                        I don't know about you....
                        But the first thing that will worry me is the LEGAL STATUS of my actions. As well as the "legitimacy" of my commanders. Because only at this stage I am already thinking about how not to get into a situation where I will be a natural SUCKER who wants to defend his homeland, but in fact will end up in an organized criminal group with some kind of muddy functions, strange detentions and interrogations - purely as a hypothetical example!

                        The military registration and enlistment office did not send him there.
                        Question.
                        Who sent him there?

                        Again. WHO?!
                        After you answer this question... take this person... give him his full name. His position. And write an appeal to HIS address !!!!
                        On his NAME!!!


                        Why did aunt MOTYA supervise its dispatch, and why do you write (discuss) the letter addressed to the Official?!
                        And you are surprised that the official answers - I HAVE NO DOCUMENTS FOR THIS PERSON!!!!
                        Once again - he does not have them !!!!

                        With the same success, you can send a request to the pension fund of the South-Western Administrative District of Moscow, or to the Lenin Library - they will also write to you that IT HAVE NOT BEEN FORMED BY THEM!!!

                        In order for him (the OFFICIAL) to allocate money so that he would NOT be imprisoned ... he must have supporting documents.
                        AND HE DOESN'T HAVE IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

                        First, he was brainwashed as a volunteer

                        Firstly, you decide whether you are talking about an act of HEROISM on his part or an act of SCAKING.
                        The first is a conscious action based on UNDERSTANDING what an adult boy does and what he risks.
                        The second is the whining of a 5-year-old child that “I was dragged into all this” and he didn’t even know where, why and how he was going.

                        Secondly, in the same way, they are quite massively throwing with payments and mobilized
                        There is no need to jump to the mobilized, we are discussing the case described in the article and a specific document signed by a specific official. The person involved was not mobilized.
                      10. El Barto
                        El Barto 25 November 2022 02: 16
                        +3
                        Are you raving?
                        The person was a participant in the BARS (Special Combat Army Reserve) program implemented under the Decree of the President of the Russian Federation dated July 17.07.2015, 370 No. XNUMX On the creation of a mobilization human reserve of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation.
                        And they make out there in the military registration and enlistment offices.
                        In a formal reply from the Stavropol authorities, it is said that he was not registered at the Stavropol military registration and enlistment office and that his contract does not specify a period of more than 6 months.

                        Mobilized directly in the same way are deceived with payments. Our authorities in St. Petersburg and the Leningrad Region, led by the degenerates Beglov and Drozdenko, are especially distinguished by this. Inventing fantastic grounds for refusing to pay. As a result, the people voted with their feet from the military registration and enlistment offices, and refuseniks went to the units.

                        And yes. Officials are to blame for child deaths and other incidents that you write about
                      11. El Barto
                        El Barto 25 November 2022 02: 49
                        +2
                        In addition, I assure you, these Stavropol officials from the article (climacteric female dogs with low social responsibility and degenerative diseases of conscience) will remember this situation when the returned volunteers and mobilized begin to lift or hang them on bayonets at the gates of the administration.
                        There they will be able to tell them about budgets and legal grounds
                      12. Alexander Vorontsov
                        Alexander Vorontsov 25 November 2022 12: 12
                        -3
                        Are you raving?
                        The person was a member of the BARS program

                        Yes, even SNICKERS programs.

                        implemented within the framework of the Decree of the President of the Russian Federation dated July 17.07.2015, 370 No. XNUMX

                        If you open this decree, you will see that it refers to RESERVISTS.
                        And not the legal basis for participation in the SVO.

                        The elementary thing does not reach you.
                        You essentially give an example when a person calls Tula, the Tula Stretch Ceilings company and does not understand why they refuse to pay.
                        The formal reply from the Stavropol authorities states that it was not issued at the Stavropol military registration and enlistment office

                        And only some people still cannot understand the meaning of what is written and continue to call the laundry and refrigerator repair service to order pizza.

                        Moreover, "And here it is not worth going into how everything was framed,"

                        How is it not worth it?
                        Are you adults or children? Do you live according to some Urkogan laws or according to the laws of the Russian Federation?

                        And how will you distinguish deserters with a crossbow from real heroes who were wounded? (only 1 of the examples)

                        The same authors.
                        First they write - how can you allow the army to scatter? That people break contracts.

                        Here you are please done - for a six-month contract. Less - go to the forest. If a person thinks that he will come there for a week, then he will remember that he has a sore knee, when the enemy goes on the offensive, and there will be 100 of them ... and the front will collapse ... what will happen? The same authors will shout that the generals should be punished for this.

                        And here the person did not sign a contract for 6 months, and the author writes "no need to think now about how it was framed."

                        Are you the right people?
                      13. Hagen
                        Hagen 25 November 2022 12: 00
                        -2
                        Quote: El Barto
                        in the same way, mobilized people who are not volunteers at all are thrown in large numbers with payments, they definitely didn’t ask for the army.

                        How about more detailed information? Today, a bunch of NGOs are looking for such people in order to restore justice. That Solovyov or Margarita Simonnyan .... If you don’t bring it, then you’re lying. If so, for what reasons?
                      14. your1970
                        your1970 24 November 2022 23: 13
                        +2
                        Quote: El Barto
                        I explain - that's why the official is given the authority to make decisions within the framework of the current legislation.
                        -they answered sternly within the framework of the current legislation and their powers.

                        Law of the Stavropol Territory 20kz
                        "..............
                        2) volunteers - citizens of the Russian Federation residing on the territory of the Stavropol Territory, who have concluded a contract (contracts) on participation in a special military operation with a total duration at least 6 months (hereinafter referred to as the contract) and directed military commissariat of the Stavropol Territory to participate in a special military operation;"
                      15. El Barto
                        El Barto 25 November 2022 00: 43
                        0
                        Is this law for them that God wrote in fiery letters in heaven? Or stone tablets sent?
                        They wrote it themselves.

                        For good, those who wrote this law are pests and enemies of the people. And they deserve the fate of pests and enemies of the people 1937.
                        As well as those who stupidly and zealously perform it
                      16. your1970
                        your1970 25 November 2022 10: 10
                        +3
                        Quote: El Barto
                        Is this law for them that God wrote in fiery letters in heaven? Or stone tablets sent?
                        They wrote it themselves.

                        In the first edition of it - there was no deadline and requirements for the military enlistment office. Then changes were made to it - apparently in connection with changes in the law on the status of a military man
                        Themselves - the persons who answered the letter - naturally did not adopt the law. And now the maximum that they can do is come up with an initiative to change. But all this on the condition that it does not contradict federal law

                        Quote: El Barto
                        . And they deserve the fate of pests and enemies of the people 1937.
                        As well as those who stupidly and zealously perform it
                        - let me modestly remind you that Korolev and Rokossovsky were to be shot - as pests and spies
                      17. haron
                        haron 25 November 2022 08: 16
                        +1
                        Quote: El Barto
                        I explain - that is why the official is given the authority to make decisions within the framework of the current legislation

                        De facto in the Russian Federation there is only one official who is given the authority to make decisions within the framework of ALL current legislation.
                        The specific problem is that the combatants of the Russian Federation are subordinate to different organizations, with completely different sources of funding and different legal fields.
                        Imagine a person with a flux who came to treat a tooth to a gynecologist.
                        There is a problem, but the level of officials indicated in the article could only help his father with advice and a kind word.
                      18. splin44
                        splin44 25 November 2022 09: 23
                        +1
                        And please tell me, if I, as a district police officer, throw a drunken landlord out of the apartment at the request of his wife, then what will it be? Arbitrariness or flexibility in law enforcement practice and sensitivity to the owner's wife, who has to get up early in the morning for work?
                  2. mongolian9999
                    mongolian9999 24 November 2022 17: 57
                    +1
                    There is one. Adopted February 2. Now they are shaking everyone so that they fulfill the minimum on it.
                  3. jovanni
                    jovanni 25 November 2022 03: 18
                    0
                    Quote: Ingvar 72
                    An official who is not able to quickly solve the problem should be removed due to incompetence

                    And if he still does not want to solve the problem, he should become the object of a prosecutor's check ...
                2. your1970
                  your1970 24 November 2022 09: 35
                  +8
                  Quote: Hagen
                  They should not make decisions at their own peril and risk contrary to the law.

                  Quote: Ingvar 72
                  An official who is not able to quickly solve the problem should be removed due to incompetence


                  As an old bureaucrat, I first wanted to write that there is a law in the Stavropol Territory and that changes can be made there, but this is a long time for objective reasons.
                  Then I got to read the law itself - I was embarrassed by the lack of an indication of a specific article or paragraph as a justification for the refusal.
                  And then sad formally legally now they are right
                  "..............
                  2) volunteers - citizens of the Russian Federation residing on the territory of the Stavropol Territory, who have concluded a contract (contracts) on participation in a special military operation with a total duration of at least 6 months (hereinafter referred to as the contract) and sent by the military commissariat of the Stavropol Territory to participate in a special military operation; "

                  And then my knowledge is not enough - how he was called, whether BARS has a legal status, why they made changes to the law - initially there was no minimum contract period and this is already the third edition of 20kz, and so on.
                  Offhand, there is an assumption that this is possibly a local gag about 6 months, there seems to be no such formula in the Law on the Status of a Serviceman
                  That is, alas - but you need a lawyer.

                  Z.Y. For those who are interested and have NOT read this law - payments are provided from the budget of the Stavropol Territory in the amount of 3 million
                  1. Hagen
                    Hagen 24 November 2022 09: 43
                    +2
                    Quote: your1970
                    .That is, you need a lawyer

                    Actually, that's what I was talking about. If there is no prosecutor's conclusion that the official did not complete what was required by law, then, of course, this should be involved .... And if the law does not provide, then how can the legislator be blamed on the executor? Yes, of course, making changes to the law is more difficult than firing "anyone." But after all, even the Federal Law was able to quickly adjust for students, for example.
                    1. your1970
                      your1970 24 November 2022 10: 11
                      +4
                      I looked now GOST on mass graves.
                      Conspirology taxis -
                      "Approved and put into effect by the Order of the Federal Agency for Technical Regulation and Metrology dated September 13, 2021 No. 950-st
                      Handed over to the set 16.09.2021/XNUMX/XNUMX. Signed for print 05.10.2021. Format 60'84%. Headset Arial."
                      This means that this agency knew about the CBO at least in the middle of 2020 (!!!!) belay belay(least year for the preparation of GOST is necessary).
                      Reptilians predicted them, not otherwise ...

                      turn on head and remember - that in 2020 there was COVID, during COVID there were mass graves and that their order was not sufficiently worked out and legally fixed - nope, everyone has already forgotten COVID.
                      1. Ingvar 72
                        Ingvar 72 24 November 2022 10: 56
                        +5
                        Quote: your1970
                        Turn on your head and remember that in 2020 there was COVID, with COVID there were mass graves

                        Covid meant mass graves? belay With a ventilation system? What conspiracies? fool
                        GOST R 42.7.01-2021
                        NATIONAL STANDARD
                        RUSSIAN FEDERATION
                        civil defense
                        URGENT burial of corpses in war and peacetime
                      2. your1970
                        your1970 24 November 2022 11: 19
                        -4
                        Quote: Ingvar 72
                        Quote: your1970
                        Turn on your head and remember that in 2020 there was COVID, with COVID there were mass graves

                        Covid meant mass graves? belay With a ventilation system? What conspiracies? fool
                        GOST R 42.7.01-2021
                        NATIONAL STANDARD
                        RUSSIAN FEDERATION
                        civil defense
                        URGENT burial of corpses in war and peacetime

                        I repeat for you personally
                        Quote: your1970
                        Handed over to the set 16.09.2021/XNUMX/XNUMX. Signed for print 05.10.2021. Format 60'84%. Headset Arial."
                        This means that this agency knew about the CBO at least in the middle of 2020 (!!!!) (at least year for the preparation of GOST is necessary).

                        Once again, slowly:
                        1) at least a year for development feel
                        2)registered and published in October 2021(!!!) fool GOST R 42.7.01-2021
                        3) there were mass graves of those who died from COVID throughout the country. You can look online tantrums"Aaaah! they piled into one grave in a bunch!!" - in 2020 there were. And a lot throughout the country
                        4) you seriously belay think that someone from sent information about forthcoming CBO in 2020 (!!!!), God bless him, even in 2021- in tertiary department (which is not even a ministry and not a service, but an unfortunate Agency without rights and powers) ???
                      3. Ingvar 72
                        Ingvar 72 24 November 2022 11: 34
                        +2
                        Quote: your1970
                        ) mass graves of those who died from COVID in the country were

                        Are you kidding? Covids were buried in a closed coffin. And unclaimed corpses were buried in mass graves. But only. GOST also implies mass graves.
                      4. your1970
                        your1970 24 November 2022 12: 00
                        +2
                        Well, of course, you didn’t read GOST feel or misread

                        “Burial can be carried out only if there is a medical and state certificate of death and after identification (identification) of the identity of the deceased.
                        When identification of a person by external signs is difficult, it is necessary to carry out the identification of corpses by the methods of forensic medical research (autopsy, fingerprinting,
                        examination of teeth, genetic examination).
                        Genetic examination is carried out at the request of the medical institution issuing the death certificate, the internal affairs bodies. Russian Emergency Situations Ministry. Ministry of Defense of Russia. In this case, a medical certificate is issued on the basis of the results of the examination" -this is about the unclaimed

                        "In order to prevent the spread of especially dangerous infectious diseases, the process
                        burial of those who died from an infection of unknown etiology, as well as from especially dangerous infections (deceased
                        in medical institutions or admitted to the pathoanatomical department for autopsy) is performed in galvanized, hermetically sealed coffins directly from the pathoanatomical
                        departments." - this is the question about COVID

                        "Burial in mass graves allowed if there is a sanitary and epidemiological conclusion of the bodies and institutions of the state sanitary and epidemiological service subject to following conditions:
                        - amount coffins, depth and number of burial levels are set depending on
                        on local climatic conditions and the height of standing groundwater;
                        - the distance between coffins horizontally should be at least 0.5 m and filled with a layer
                        land with laying on top of brushwood or coniferous branches;
                        - when placing coffins several levels, the vertical distance between them should be
                        not less than 0.5 m. The coffins of the upper row are placed above the gaps between the coffins of the lower row; "- this is the question of coffins.

                        I repeat - GOST began to be developed back in 2020.
                        If you don't like COVID as a reason - come up with your own ...
                        Just don’t sculpt it to the SVO - no one would share such top-secret information with an unfortunate agency in 2020.

                        Z.Y
                        They are in 2020(!!!) belay knew about Zelensky's cries in 2022 about a "dirty bomb" and demands for NATO to launch a nuclear strike on the Russian Federation.
                        "Burial of the dead high radioactive background. allowed in a specially designated area of ​​the burial site in accordance with the legislation of the Russian Federation, which regulates relations related to ensuring the radiation safety of the population.
                      5. Hagen
                        Hagen 24 November 2022 12: 18
                        +2
                        Quote: your1970
                        In 2020 (!!!) they knew about Zelensky's cries in 2022 about a "dirty bomb" and demands for NATO to launch a nuclear strike on the Russian Federation.

                        Why did you not include here the requirements of SP 88.13330.2014
                        CODE OF RULES CIVIL DEFENSE PROTECTIVE STRUCTURES
                        Updated version of SNiP II-11-77*? THEY already in 1977 knew about everything and began to prepare? laughing We have had an anti-radiation shelter in our facility since the 90s. We report on it every year and plan all kinds of work to maintain its readiness for use. Issues of civil defense, mobilization plans in the municipalities and government agencies are being worked out constantly. Already after the Second World War to the present day - for sure. And the fact that very unpleasant questions could arise with Ukraine has been known since 2004 (the most incredulous, insightful people have admitted this since 1989). There just wasn't much detail.
                      6. Ingvar 72
                        Ingvar 72 24 November 2022 13: 46
                        -1
                        Quote: your1970
                        Well, of course, you didn’t read GOST or read it inattentively

                        I read carefully. All the points listed in the GOST somehow contradict my words?
                        There, more than all the documentation can be issued after the fact. There are plenty of examples of this in government agencies.
                      7. your1970
                        your1970 24 November 2022 14: 19
                        +1
                        Quote: Ingvar 72
                        Was the law on non-disclosure of losses in peacetime adopted in advance? GOST on mass graves too in advance fussed?

                        If this isn't for you, then I'm sorry...

                        According to your technology, you can now accuse the Russian Federation of preparing a nuclear attack on NATO-GOST countries and on bomb shelters in advance introduced, even under the USSR, yeah ...
                        You are looking for conspiracy where there is none - a problem arose with COVID. Acute - buried as God puts per soul in each region. Somewhere they gave it in zinc, somewhere they didn’t give it at all ...
                        It started LEGALLY decide, including military time.
                      8. Ingvar 72
                        Ingvar 72 24 November 2022 15: 53
                        +1
                        Quote: your1970
                        If this is not for you then I'm sorry...

                        So what?!! belay
                        Quote: your1970
                        It began to be solved LEGALLY, including for wartime.

                        And they forgot about payments. Indeed, what a conspiracy theory! wassat
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                  3. Ingvar 72
                    Ingvar 72 24 November 2022 10: 52
                    +6
                    Quote: your1970
                    That is, alas - but you need a lawyer

                    Yes, they survived. To solve the problem associated with the death of a citizen for the Motherland, you need a lawyer.
                    Is this not a diagnosis of the state?
                    1. your1970
                      your1970 24 November 2022 11: 03
                      +3
                      Quote: Ingvar 72
                      Quote: your1970
                      That is, alas - but you need a lawyer

                      Yes, they survived. To solve the problem associated with the death of a citizen for the Motherland, you need a lawyer.
                      Is this not a diagnosis of the state?
                      -of course the diagnosis, I do not even argue.

                      When in 1987, in my presence at the military registration and enlistment office, an Afghan with ZBS was told a similar formula "We didn't send you there" - this also was diagnosed...
                      it seems that the systems are different - socialism / capitalism - but the formula is the same ...
                      And there were no oligarchs, and he was a military commissar in the CPSU - and not in EdRe ...
                      1. Ingvar 72
                        Ingvar 72 24 November 2022 11: 28
                        0
                        Quote: your1970
                        When in 1987, when I was in the military registration and enlistment office, an Afghan with ZBS was told a similar formula "We didn't send you there" - that was also a diagnosis ...

                        So I don't argue. It was already the agony of the Union. Today the agony of the Russian Federation, but there is still a faint hope.
                        P.S. Isn't 1970 your year of birth? wink
                      2. your1970
                        your1970 24 November 2022 11: 37
                        0
                        Quote: Ingvar 72
                        P.S. Isn't 1970 your year of birth?
                        - Naturally. They drove to the medical board as a pre-conscript
                  4. storm
                    storm 24 November 2022 16: 29
                    +3
                    And then my knowledge is not enough - how he was called, whether BARS has a legal status, why they made changes to the law - initially there was no minimum contract period and this is already the third edition of 20kz, and so on.


                    And for whom did President Vladimir Putin sign the Decree according to which volunteers are equal in rights to contract soldiers?
                    And if regional bureaucrats have not brought regional legislation into line with federal laws, it means driving them out of the civil service and from all government bodies, let them sweep the streets along with the Governor .....
                    1. your1970
                      your1970 24 November 2022 22: 54
                      +2
                      Quote: assault
                      And for whom did President Vladimir Putin sign the Decree according to which volunteers are equal in rights to contract soldiers?
                      And if regional bureaucrats have not brought regional legislation into line with federal laws, it means driving them out of the civil service and from all government bodies, let them sweep the streets along with the Governor .....

                      and you are right, absolutely right... but...
                      There is a nuance - this change to the law on the status of a serviceman comes into force on 01.01.2023/XNUMX/XNUMX....
            2. Barberry25
              Barberry25 24 November 2022 10: 03
              -2
              according to the same documents, it is clearly indicated that the relatives wanted to receive payments as a volunteer, and he was a BARS fighter, i.e. in fact, active military personnel .. As I already wrote here, contact the hotline, clarify the list of documents and apply again .. that's all ...
            3. Scientist
              Scientist 25 November 2022 11: 27
              +1
              Everything is correct about the inspectors, but who bothers to explain if the documents are not drawn up as they should? Who prevents to submit an official request, if something is not provided for by the existing rules? Just being human?
              I had an example of communication with normal people. When I was issued a pension, they asked if there were dependents, they were entitled to an additional payment. He answered that there is, a student. Bring it to SNILS. I say she hasn't received it yet. So the employee independently issued SNILS for her daughter (I gave scans of documents) and entered it into my documents. But no one forced her to do it.
              1. frog
                frog 25 November 2022 11: 36
                0
                "Well, what can I say? Just lucky!!" (With)
                And, unfortunately, such cases are as rare as the phenomenon of miracles in the world ....
              2. Hagen
                Hagen 25 November 2022 12: 28
                +2
                Quote: U. Cheny
                Everything is correct about the inspectors, but who bothers to explain if the documents are not drawn up as they should?

                Firstly, the situation itself was described in the article very approximately. It is not clear what documents and to what extent were missing. The essence of the conversation with the official is not. And not all documents can be done in the same way as SNILS, without leaving the cash desk .... The author wrote an article with an accusatory bias and without details. What is there to comment on. After all, you can see for yourself how commentators do not want to see the difference between executive and representative power. They are all one. Unfortunately, some members of the forum are not quite familiar with our system of power, and they are not particularly eager to get acquainted. So they demand the "blood" of any person in a jacket, regardless of the presence of guilt. And they don't care that "regional bureaucrats" can't change the law. To do this, there is a regional Duma or parliament ....
                1. Scientist
                  Scientist 25 November 2022 13: 56
                  +1
                  So I wrote that you should not just refuse a person, because the situation does not fit under some point of the rules, but you need to look for a way to solve the problem. After all, it is not registered anywhere in the laws for us and the NWO, but it exists.
          3. Machito
            Machito 24 November 2022 08: 21
            +16
            Quote: dauria
            "The state sent it there, are you a representative of the state? If not, what are you doing here?"

            The situation is not the first and not the last. Things like this don't work out that way. A person should not be left alone with the legal colossus of the state. The public organization of the same veterans must maintain a staff of lawyers and so on. , have access to the media .
            Surely officials just found wrong (in their opinion) executed documents and do not take responsibility for issuing benefits. (Will you take it?)
            The parties go to court and sort it out, the media is on guard just in case. This is how it should be in normal operation.
            However, this is Russia. Here, trade unions have not arisen in 30 years, and only dream about the rest.

            That is, the grief-stricken relatives of the dead heroes should run around, seek the social benefits laid down by law? Sue with the regional minister?
            The Minister of Labor and Social Protection does not take responsibility for making decisions on the payment of social benefits? Who then should make the decisions? The president? Will he have time to consider questions on every death in the NWO? In general, such decisions should be made in the working order at the level of specialists, not ministers. The Minister of Labor and Social Protection and his deputies do not correspond to their positions. They must protect the rights of citizens, and not kick them off at a known address. It's their job that they don't do. For what then they receive money and not small?
            1. AdAstra
              AdAstra 24 November 2022 09: 00
              +13
              Yes, the president must, and even if he sits without sleep for days on end, since the chief boss has built such a "working" system.
            2. begemot20091
              begemot20091 24 November 2022 11: 22
              +2
              these ministers should have been scrapped for a long time together with the ministry = idlers have been bred - pension funds, insurance companies .. who the hell knows how many parasites. and also to send the husbands and sons of these ministers to the NMD zone.
            3. your1970
              your1970 24 November 2022 13: 17
              0
              Quote: Bearded
              That is, the grief-stricken relatives of the dead heroes should run around, seek the social benefits laid down by law?

              So you didn't read the answer?
              The problem is that, in accordance with the law of the Stavropol Territory, they are not entitled to payment. Their law does state that
              "..............
              2) volunteers - citizens of the Russian Federation residing on the territory of the Stavropol Territory, who have concluded a contract (contracts) on participation in a special military operation with a total duration of at least 6 months (hereinafter referred to as the contract) and sent by the military commissariat of the Stavropol Territory to participate in a special military operation; "
              Otherwise, the article would not have arisen.
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          4. Cananecat
            Cananecat 24 November 2022 11: 02
            +8
            Quote: dauria
            The parties go to court and sort it out, the media is on guard just in case. This is how it should be in normal operation.

            In the normal mechanism, these "governor's housekeepers" were supposed to send requests to the authorities. Where was he, in what capacity, did he take part, then, based on these answers, allocate the funds established by law and notify the relevant authorities and services about the work done ... but these lazy creatures (sorry, I can’t name them otherwise) are used to only two words "ladies & no ladies" in the literal and figurative sense. Work to work, this is not for such "housekeepers" ...
            The court is the last resort...
            1. your1970
              your1970 24 November 2022 22: 58
              +1
              Quote: Canecat
              but these lazy creatures (sorry, I can’t call them otherwise) are used to only two words “ladies & no ladies” in the literal and figurative sense. Work to work, this is not for such "housekeepers" ...

              Quote: Canecat
              Where was he, in what capacity, did he take part, then, based on these answers, highlight statutory facilities

              So they did the work and established that, in accordance with the law of the Stavropol Territory 20kz
              "..............
              2) volunteers - citizens of the Russian Federation residing on the territory of the Stavropol Territory, who have concluded a contract (contracts) on participation in a special military operation with a total duration at least 6 months (hereinafter referred to as the contract) and directed military commissariat of the Stavropol Territory to participate in a special military operation;"
          5. gromit
            gromit 24 November 2022 11: 16
            +1
            I fully agree with the idea of ​​legal support through a veterans' organization.

            It is a pity that at the moment any organization like the "Union of Veterans of the Northern Military District" will immediately fall into the list of foreign agents and its organizers will go to jail. )

            Citizens consult independent lawyers BEFORE signing any papers.
            Well, spend 2-3 tr. let the lawyer write out on a piece of paper how much, when and on the basis of what you and your family should be paid.

            Friends, carefully read what you sign.
            Don't be fooled by any means
            “I heard on TV that they would pay 300 thousand”, “Putin promised the family 7 million and a monthly payment”, “We’ll figure it out later” ...

            It may turn out that you either have a contract for the wrong period, or you went to fight without a contract at all.

            Copy all papers, notarize and leave at home with the family.
          6. tralflot1832
            tralflot1832 24 November 2022 12: 31
            -1
            There are trade unions, it has been tested on myself. But there are only a few of them.
          7. gabs
            gabs 24 November 2022 18: 01
            +1
            And what's the point of these lawyers, conscripts who fought in Chechnya and Afghanistan still do not take into account preferential service, no court has helped.
          8. isv000
            isv000 25 November 2022 13: 44
            +1
            Quote: dauria
            The parties go to court and sort it out, the media is on guard just in case. This is how it should be in normal operation.

            Wouldn't you like to "try on this shirt" ?! A father's volunteer son died... Does he have the strength to fight these... harlots?! For the hair of both, with disgrace from the authorities! With a wolf ticket. Guber and the military commissar - to the North, to air the brains!
        2. frog
          frog 24 November 2022 06: 55
          +6
          Oh yes .... Be sure to mention. This will greatly amuse them in such a difficult activity.
          1. Vladimir_2U
            Vladimir_2U 24 November 2022 08: 59
            +2
            Quote: frog
            Oh yes .... Be sure to mention. This will greatly amuse them in such a difficult activity.

            Maybe it will cheer you up, or maybe if you hint at quoting the words of an official / official further up the chain of command, and make you put a few in your pants.
            1. frog
              frog 24 November 2022 10: 24
              +1
              Undoubtedly. Right away and heaps from half a bucket. All this has been passed so many times and by so many characters that it makes no sense to swear and laugh .......
              1. Vladimir_2U
                Vladimir_2U 24 November 2022 11: 01
                -2
                Quote: frog
                Undoubtedly. Right away and heaps from half a bucket. All this has been passed so many times and by so many characters that it makes no sense to swear and laugh .......

                Oh no, it's politics...
                1. frog
                  frog 24 November 2022 13: 41
                  +1
                  Oh....
                  And what about the statement of the guarantor about the salary of teachers, which is a multiple of the average salary in the region? so, for example ... This, obviously, is not politics, but so, they went out to smoke feel
                  1. Vladimir_2U
                    Vladimir_2U 24 November 2022 13: 59
                    -3
                    Quote: frog
                    And what about the statement of the guarantor about the salary of teachers, which is a multiple of the average salary in the region?
                    Straight multiple and straight statement? I may not believe...
                    1. frog
                      frog 24 November 2022 14: 14
                      +1
                      a) provide:

                      an increase in real wages by 2018-1,4 times by 1,5;

                      bringing in 2012 the average salary of teachers of educational institutions of general education to the average salary in the corresponding region;

                      bringing by 2013 the average salary of teachers of preschool educational institutions to the average salary in the field of general education in the respective region;

                      bringing by 2018 the average salary of teachers and masters of industrial training of educational institutions of primary and secondary vocational education, workers of cultural institutions to the average salary in the corresponding region;

                      increase by 2018 the average salary of doctors, teachers of educational institutions of higher professional education and researchers up to 200 percent of the average salary in the respective region.

                      If sho, Decree of the President of the Russian Federation of May 7, 2012 N 597 "On measures for the implementation of state social policy"
                      1. Vladimir_2U
                        Vladimir_2U 24 November 2022 16: 48
                        -3
                        Quote: frog
                        times the average salary in the region

                        Something from "a multiple of" I see only this:
                        Quote: frog
                        increase by 2018 the average salary of doctors, teachers of educational institutions of higher professional education and researchers up to 200 percent of the average salary

                        or rather
                        by 2018, an increase in the average salary of social workers, including social workers of medical organizations, junior medical personnel (personnel providing conditions for the provision of medical services), paramedical (pharmaceutical) personnel (personnel providing conditions for the provision of medical services) - up to 100 percent of the average salary in the relevant region, employees of medical organizations with higher medical (pharmaceutical) or other higher educationproviding medical services (ensuring the provision of medical services) - up to 200 percent of the average salary in the relevant region;

                        Well, up to 100 percent. from the average case brought. So 50 per cent. performed.
                      2. frog
                        frog 24 November 2022 17: 31
                        0
                        Well, up to 100 percent. from the average case brought. So 50 per cent. performed.

                        Again not guessed)). I won’t even bother for the fact that usually a teacher is at a university, and a teacher at school.
                        So here we have an average in school - 50% of the average in the city. If you believe the authorities. And to your eyes.
                      3. Vladimir_2U
                        Vladimir_2U 25 November 2022 03: 16
                        -1
                        Quote: frog
                        So here we have an average in school - 50% of the average in the city. If you believe the authorities. And to your eyes.

                        I believe, but I myself am somewhat aware of the average in Buryatia, and the reverend. ml. class she is average. A nurse in Vladivostok has a median (slightly below average)
                        I judge by what I see and know myself.
                      4. frog
                        frog 25 November 2022 11: 40
                        0
                        I didn't say it was absolute. But it's quite systemic.
                        And yet, let me ask you - what is your "average for Buryatia"? Sorry in advance if I somehow hurt feel And does it differ in the capital of this subject from the district? And how much?
                        So, for reference .... Our gelding voiced the other day the average for the city at 55 .... Where did he get it - hz, but voiced it. A teacher at a school/college has between 25 and 28. Associate professor, on average, 35-38 tyrs.
                      5. Vladimir_2U
                        Vladimir_2U 25 November 2022 17: 36
                        -1
                        Quote: frog
                        And yet, let me ask you - what is your "average for Buryatia"? Sorry in advance, if you suddenly somehow infringed on the feel And is it different in the capital of this subject from the district? And how much?

                        But no, I looked, the middle one is higher, so it's wrong.

                        Quote: frog
                        Sorry in advance if I somehow infringed
                        Pfft, what are you talking about?
                      6. frog
                        frog 25 November 2022 19: 36
                        +1
                        But no, I looked, the middle one is higher, so it's wrong.

                        Well, glory to the Creator, and you have everything like people)). And then I doubted wink . And the word "bred" is perfectly used, for which a separate merci hi
                        That is, they lie continuously, but yes, the vegetable is with him, but even in the lie they violate the direct instructions of the guarantor .... ICSH, everyone knows about it and everyone .... drum.
                        Pfft, what are you talking about?

                        It happens.) Chi characters come across with a fine mental organization lol , chi suddenly used some wrong word)). All in all, good if not. wink
                        And yet, a consensus, despite the G-dirty name, was still found. well, or approached hi
        3. Ulan.1812
          Ulan.1812 24 November 2022 09: 05
          +6
          Quote: Vladimir_2U
          Quote: Aerodrome
          what kind of cooks are sitting in the offices .. they 100% smeared their children, s.uchki.

          The answer to the words "We did not send you there" in a mild version is "The state sent you there, are you a representative of the state? If not, then what are you doing here?"
          Well, about the "United Russia" as the party of power should also be mentioned.

          The people call this party differently - Eat Russia.
          Trepachi ... are not responsible for anything. Greetings to Turchak, who yelled at all crossroads that "Russia will not leave" ... that "Russia is here forever."
        4. Barberry25
          Barberry25 24 November 2022 09: 59
          -5
          it remains only to find a moment in the documents about "we didn't send you there" ... or no one even bothered to read them? The problem of modern society .. don't care about the facts .. the main thing is to dash off a happy comment
          1. Virus-free crown
            Virus-free crown 24 November 2022 15: 02
            +4
            Quote: Barberry25
            it remains only to find a moment in the documents about "we didn't send you there" ... or no one even bothered to read them? The problem of modern society .. don't care about the facts .. the main thing is to dash off a happy comment

            And the problem of the Zaputins is that it’s stupid not to see what is written in the last paragraph of the third sheet - in black and white, it’s written in plain text - they didn’t send it to their own !!! Seal, signature, all cases are present
            1. Barberry25
              Barberry25 24 November 2022 20: 56
              -2
              the difference is only in the sense: the old phrase about the Afghans, which the officials said, "what do you want from us? We didn't send you there!" and “we don’t have a record of dispatch from the military registration and enlistment office” are different things .. and what has been written here repeatedly, you need to look at the DOCUMENTS.
        5. Eule
          Eule 24 November 2022 17: 29
          0
          And the author of the publication was also upset because he did not retouch the address of a person on one of the documents. Just in case, you never know what Ukrainians will try to get to the hero's family.
      2. frog
        frog 24 November 2022 06: 49
        +11
        Naturally. In the same way as the loudest of all about patriotism are yelling those who themselves will not get there, and will save children from such "sacred duty and honorable duty."
        1. sadam2
          sadam2 24 November 2022 13: 01
          -2
          I heard about 200 thousand per month. And also about 3 million if he returned in a bag. But they didn’t say anything about half a year on TV ... if this condition is voiced in capital letters right now, then the queue to the military registration and enlistment office will disappear
      3. smart ass
        smart ass 24 November 2022 11: 04
        +2
        And then these women scream from all the irons, was born a man, go to the draft board, go to the front, go die! And they themselves in the warmth of children hide behind the weaker sex. But in fact, who is stopping them from voluntarily going to the medical unit? At least! I'm not talking about the girls who served in the air defense, firing direct fire at the tanks of the Verkhmacht near Stalingrad!
        1. your1970
          your1970 24 November 2022 11: 27
          +2
          Quote: Clever man
          I'm not talking about the girls who served in the air defense, firing direct fire at the tanks of the Verkhmacht under

          Total for military service from 1941 to 1945 was called upon 490 women. Of the women called up, 235 people were sent to the Air Defense Unit, 177 to the Communications Unit, 065 to the Air Force Unit, 41 to Women’s Units and Schools, 886 to Automotive Units, and 40 to Cook Courses. - 209, to military sanitary units and institutions - 14, to units and institutions of the Navy - 460, to railway units of the NKPS - 18.
      4. Viktor Sergeev
        Viktor Sergeev 24 November 2022 12: 32
        -2
        They are not creatures, but officials for whom the law and its implementation are important. The law does not give the right to make this payment. Do you want to pay out of your own pocket? I will surprise you, but those who write these papers receive a penny.
    2. Monster_Fat
      Monster_Fat 24 November 2022 07: 28
      +18
      If according to the letter of the law, then ... Firstly, what is the status of the military operation? Who is leading it? Governor of the Territory? Or someone else? Who pays the military? MO? Or the edge? Or is it a pledged fee from the state budget? The questions are far from idle - any payment to military personnel in an operation should be made from an allocated and approved budget, the question is what? Regional? Department of Defense? Or state?
      1. your1970
        your1970 24 November 2022 10: 16
        +2
        Quote: Monster_Fat
        If according to the letter of the law, then ... Firstly, what is the status of the military operation? Who is leading it? Governor of the Territory? Or someone else? Who pays the military? MO? Or the edge? Or is it a pledged fee from the state budget? The questions are far from idle - any payment to military personnel in an operation should be made from an allocated and approved budget, the question is what? Regional? Department of Defense? Or state?

        According to the law of the Stavropol Territory 20-kz - social payment comes from the regional budget in the amount of 3 million rubles. The problem is that in the latest version of the law there really is at least 6 months.
        1. Barberry25
          Barberry25 25 November 2022 09: 34
          -1
          there is an answer from the Government that they are ready to make payments, that 6 months are not critical, but the record itself about the direction of the deceased in the military registration and enlistment office was not found: there are two options left - this is 1) human error i.e. they didn’t see the record, they didn’t bring it in, they lost it, 2) the deceased fighter was sent to BARS-13 not from the military registration and enlistment office of the region, therefore there is no record itself., in any case, a second request was sent with proceedings
        2. Viktor Sergeev
          Viktor Sergeev 25 November 2022 21: 21
          0
          Well, we get that the officials refused legally, so what are the claims against them?
    3. Machito
      Machito 24 November 2022 08: 10
      +12
      Quote: frog
      Somehow they were delayed with this matter ..... Shortcomings in the work, it happens .....
      And in general - it is absolutely never surprising. Alas.

      What the hell are the shortcomings? The father of the CBO participant was directly sent to hell. Read the documents attached to the article.
      Don't need to rock the boat? The authorities themselves are shaking the situation, stubbornly trying to bring it to the revolutionary level. I have no doubt that the officials listed in the article are members of the EP party. I wonder if there will be any reaction from the party line?
      In fact, this news did not come as a surprise. Rather the opposite. This is exactly what I expected. We didn't send you there, pasta is always the same price.
      1. frog
        frog 24 November 2022 09: 03
        0
        I take it you don't know the word sarcasm?
        In fact, everything is quite simple. This same ... operation has been going on, as we know, since February ... And yet BARS and others .... not provided for by the charter feel , did not appear in November. Somewhat earlier. And, unfortunately, they also began to die earlier. However, as already mentioned here, the guarantor signed the relevant paper in November. Exactly, according to the source, on the day of some unity. Everyone was celebrating, and he, like a slave on rowboats, worked .... Before that, few people worried about this issue, for some reason .... So this vile is formally absolutely legal. Like a lot of bad guys, unfortunately. And the question here is not even to specific representatives ... mm .... "verticals" must be asked, everything is clear with them. But to the other ... loudspeakers, everyone is already pretty .... familiar in irons wink - it's quite possible. But, for some reason, they did not ask ....
        In general, it would be logical to highlight this .... problem in other places. That is, how similar moments happened in other places with volunteers, BARS and other ... hazing personalities. Did local authorities (or federal) pay them in similar circumstances (despite the absence of a formal decision), or did some still have a conscience and somehow "react"?
        But in general - a typical, as I said, the expected, unfortunately, state of affairs in the fatherland. Unfortunately. It didn't start yesterday and, unfortunately, it won't end tomorrow....
    4. Peter1First
      Peter1First 24 November 2022 08: 47
      +6
      Have we even developed a legislative issue on volunteers? Including their pay, supplies, weapons, benefits, status, compensation? If not, then "s.uchki." it's like they're not to blame at all...
    5. Pane Kohanku
      Pane Kohanku 24 November 2022 09: 57
      +3
      And in general - it is absolutely never surprising. Alas.


      Solovyov yesterday also smashed this situation. I would like the authorities to react ... But ...

      https://rutube.ru/video/cd1626d2aed00e04d5a4326c92f95e89/

      1. frog
        frog 24 November 2022 10: 28
        +1
        Personally, I would like her not to allow them. And then here they cited about "mass graves" a little before the start, but with obvious things it took only seven months ....
      2. depressant
        depressant 24 November 2022 11: 26
        +1
        Hello, Nikolay!
        Yes, I just watched this video yesterday - a masterpiece! How did Solovyov ride on these ladies! He ground it to dust, masterfully destroyed it! I advise everyone to watch, not sparing the time ...
        The vertical of power is what it is. Its main concern is the creation of vague, non-specific laws of the "drawbar" type as the basis for the stability of its largely parasitic structure.

        Here people mentioned the law on mass graves. Like, due to covid was adopted. Have you forgotten the law on mass evacuation? The one that angered many with the inadequacy of the epidemiological situation, whatever it may be...
        Many people knew that a war with the West through Ukraine was imminent. Including the Administration of the VO website. Hence - articles on how to survive by eating spruce needles and cones - forgotten? Hence - articles on how to paralyze the enemy's military operations through the destruction of the railway network and what needs to be destroyed on these roads in the first place - was there such a thing?
        They knew.
        Only everyone thought that there would be a war, but it turned out to be NWO ... Okay, I'm silent. In order not to let down the site, which has become my spiritual home, with its intemperance. Yes, and myself, too, so as not to let me down - in the light of the adopted laws.
      3. Mordvin 3
        Mordvin 3 24 November 2022 17: 24
        0
        This rutube is impossible to watch. Seizes every three seconds.
        1. Pane Kohanku
          Pane Kohanku 24 November 2022 19: 58
          +1
          This rutube is impossible to watch. Seizes every three seconds.

          I know. They still can’t debug, lazy people. I am glad at least that the videos are inserted from it into the VO.
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    7. Sergey S.
      Sergey S. 26 November 2022 00: 55
      0
      Quote: frog
      And in general - it is absolutely never surprising. Alas.

      And I'm already surprised.
      We laugh at Estonians in jokes, but we ourselves have unscrupulous slow-thinkers sitting on our necks.
      Some have issued shameless guidelines, while others are hiding behind these fig leaves ...

      If they had a conscience, they would have chipped in with their armchair hordes to support the family of the deceased soldier.
      And their toad presses...
      1. frog
        frog 26 November 2022 21: 24
        0
        And I'm already surprised.

        What??))
        We laugh at Estonians in jokes, but we ourselves have unscrupulous slow-thinkers sitting on our necks.

        Was it ever different?
        Would they have a conscience

        It's already funny...
        And their toad presses...

        Hardly. They just don't care. And too lazy to scratch. Why would?
  2. Andrey Moskvin
    Andrey Moskvin 24 November 2022 04: 15
    +5
    This is actually the end. Where we live? The 90s are over.
    1. User_neydobniu
      User_neydobniu 24 November 2022 05: 25
      +10
      In the 90s, there was no partial mobilization for the Chechen one, now there is, otherwise everything is similar ...
    2. frog
      frog 24 November 2022 06: 50
      +12
      They didn't go anywhere. People are still the same, just as long as there is enough food .....
    3. Gardamir
      Gardamir 24 November 2022 07: 08
      +19
      The 90s are over
      As long as capitalism is in Russia, the nineties are endless.
    4. Barberry25
      Barberry25 24 November 2022 10: 32
      -4
      in a country where people don't know how to use the Internet, phone, or even read text from a screenshot...
      1. Dron23
        Dron23 25 November 2022 00: 37
        -1
        The overall level of digital literacy in Russia is not that low – 78% of adults have some degree of digital skills. According to this indicator, Russia surpasses, in particular, Bulgaria (67%), Romania (74%), Italy (76%), Greece and Portugal (75% each); slightly inferior to Hungary (79%) and Poland (80%).
        1. Barberry25
          Barberry25 25 November 2022 09: 36
          +1
          having a computer at home and being able to search for information are two big differences, people are simply too lazy, and there is very little information in this story, but people have already come up with the idea that evil officials specifically do not want to give benefits.
  3. voice of reason
    voice of reason 24 November 2022 04: 16
    +46
    There is one small nuance. Volunteers of the BARS structure are sent just through the military registration and enlistment offices. And there is meanness. It is contained in the very law of the Stavropol Territory 23kz. Where the deputies, sitting in the warmth of safety, decided for some reason that a volunteer must fight for six months before he will be covered by the benefits of guarantees and compensation. That's what you need to give a hat. Why six months? minimum contract two months. Yes, and do not care about the minimum contract, well, he arrived and died in battle two weeks later, so what? according to any rear economists did not deserve it? Yes, they themselves would go to the NWO front.
    1. TIR
      TIR 24 November 2022 05: 34
      +28
      There seems to be an article about Bars. Legally, they made it so that some left-wing office was recruiting for Bars. Although through the military registration and enlistment offices, but legally it has nothing to do with the state. That is, in fact, the state fraudulently recruited volunteers, and when it comes to such payments, it throws its citizens
    2. frog
      frog 24 November 2022 06: 58
      +7
      Thank you so much for this, really. Now it’s really clear that this is not the initiative of individuals, but quite a politician ..... Representatives of the electorate with illusions like
      The answer to the words "We did not send you there" in a mild version is "The state sent you there, are you a representative of the state? If not, then what are you doing here?"
      Well, about the "United Russia" as the party of power should also be mentioned.

      From let him mention .....
    3. fiberboard
      fiberboard 24 November 2022 07: 34
      +23
      Yes, immediately you need to give the status and benefits. Even if a person was killed or wounded before entering the battle, before reaching the advanced trenches. During the bombing or shelling. When I was little we had a neighbor. As a young man he went to the front. On the way, German planes flew at some station and the echelon came under bombardment. His leg was torn off. So he was a veteran, a war invalid, with all the benefits. Even though he didn't make it to the front. And for our bureaucrats there would be expanse.
      1. Raccoon Raccoon
        Raccoon Raccoon 24 November 2022 07: 56
        +11
        Just about my grandfather, Peter Alekseevich, God rest his soul. Their train went to the front and ran into tank reconnaissance. Like in the movie "Two Captains". Grandfather was knocked out of the car by an explosion. He lay for a day until the locals found him. Severe concussion. They wrote it clean. Grandmother said that grandfather would learn to speak again only by the end of 1944, when for the first time after the hospital he called her by name. He never wore medals on the anniversaries of the Victory, he was shy, although he was officially recognized as a veteran and disabled person.
        1. vitvit123
          vitvit123 24 November 2022 10: 13
          +4
          I have a similar situation with my grandfather .. in the first battle (he was a machine gunner) the brush was torn off, written off, then he worked all his life as a groom, he loved horses ..
          He also said that he was not a hero, because he fought a little, before the first battle ...
      2. vitvit123
        vitvit123 24 November 2022 08: 04
        +3
        So they give it right away if it was officially arranged .. here the case is not standard, mo did not have docks for it, therefore such a "parsley" ....
        1. Ingvar 72
          Ingvar 72 24 November 2022 08: 57
          +1
          Quote: vitvit123
          So they give it right away if it was officially arranged

          No, they don't. There is a video on the network where the governor of the Samara region, Azarov, explains that 20 kopecks are immediately in hand, and the rest after the completion of the contract.
          Now mobiles are also delayed payments.
          1. kot711
            kot711 24 November 2022 09: 46
            -1
            Now mobiles are also delayed payments.
            Are mobilized dogs for you? Call your bug mobs, what a shameful habit, to adopt the bad.
          2. vitvit123
            vitvit123 24 November 2022 10: 10
            +2
            Seeing that you are writing to me again, even smiled ...
            Perhaps you have lost the "thread of dialogue" we are talking about coffin money, those who died in the war ... with various nuances of registration, and not for participation in the war, as far as I understand your message
            And, by the way, I went through this on my own example, so you won’t be surprised by this
            1. Ingvar 72
              Ingvar 72 24 November 2022 10: 40
              0
              Quote: vitvit123
              the thread of the dialogue "we are talking about coffin money, those who died in the war.

              This is not about coffin, but about monthly payments.
              1. vitvit123
                vitvit123 24 November 2022 12: 57
                +1
                And you, I'm sorry, did you read the article?
                So there we are talking about a fighter who, being a volunteer who did not enter into a contract with mo, died (God rest his soul) .... and we talked with the opponent about this, and you ... "not a lot of trouble" like, no ?
                1. Ingvar 72
                  Ingvar 72 24 November 2022 14: 13
                  0
                  Quote: vitvit123
                  and you ... "not a lot of trouble" like, no?

                  There is a whim. But in terms of paying existing contractors (and everything is under contract there), things are as I say.
                  1. vitvit123
                    vitvit123 24 November 2022 17: 45
                    0
                    For this topic, I have nothing to say, because. I haven’t come across it yet .. although my very close people have been fighting since the very beginning of the war, and so there were no complaints from them .. the only thing they said was that they pay a little less than 200 thousand rubles. , but the exact amount was not specified
    4. vitvit123
      vitvit123 24 November 2022 08: 02
      +3
      Do not fight for six months, but sign a contract for at least six months!, you can die earlier, there will be no problems ..
      1. goblin xnumx
        goblin xnumx 24 November 2022 13: 30
        0
        here’s the trick, that the relative is already wounded and cannot find the address of his unit ... when he asked, he signed the documents, what was written, the answer was, he didn’t sign the contract ....
        1. vitvit123
          vitvit123 24 November 2022 14: 01
          +2
          Damn, well, this is again not complete information ... how can you make arguments that can be interpreted in two ways?! ... and this relative of yours was called up for mobilization? Or is he also a volunteer without signing a contract? And to find out the address of the part, you need to at least know the part number! Or does he not even know the part number where he served? I just can’t really understand such things and it’s not clear from your comment! After 2,5 years in the army, I think that such questions are kind of stupid ... I don’t understand such fighters at all who don’t know where they serve and how they serve! So, I'm sorry, but you didn't give complete information, or your relative was somehow strange about what unit he serves in ... I can't give a correct comment yet, because I don't know the details ..
          1. goblin xnumx
            goblin xnumx 24 November 2022 18: 01
            +1
            called up for mobilization. sent from the military registration and enlistment office. he knows the unit number, he doesn’t know the address and index that is needed to send papers from the nursery. There is a token. according to a relative, he didn’t sign the contract. He can’t indicate the place where he was wounded, because (according to him, he doesn’t know, they didn’t say) something like this ... of course, I won’t voice the part number and personal one here
            1. vitvit123
              vitvit123 24 November 2022 19: 44
              0
              Well, if he was called up for mobilization, then there is no difference whether he signed a contract or not, the legal status is the same for everyone ..
              My advice is banal, but if you enter the part number into the search engine, then it gives out an address that is somehow related to the part ..
              Unless, of course, he served in the SSO ... there is the address of some headquarters or a separate battalion, well, at least something .. the only thing that comes to my mind ...
              He should have some data in his military man, at least on the press there ... and when he served on mobilization, it was difficult to ask the commanders where the unit was located?!, I don’t understand such moments among the soldiers ... some of the guys who didn’t know in what kind of troops they serve .., I don’t understand such people at all ..
              It happened to me .. when I came from a business trip from the North Caucasus, they told me at the military registration and enlistment office for a year or two that I was not there. Even I myself went to the unit and brought documents and still the military registration and enlistment office did not make a veteran woman .. but I, however, was absolutely calm and sure that the data would come and the veteran woman would be made ... after a couple of years, my mother was summoned to the military registration and enlistment office (I already lived in another city) and there they gave her a certificate, well, the money was transferred for these two years ...
    5. Barberry25
      Barberry25 24 November 2022 10: 32
      -2
      the nuance is that there is no such term "volunteers of the BARS structure."
      1. Ingvar 72
        Ingvar 72 24 November 2022 14: 15
        0
        Quote: Barberry25
        the nuance is that there is no such term "volunteers of the BARS structure."

        Some people have no such thing as a conscience. There are also such nuances. wink
        1. Barberry25
          Barberry25 24 November 2022 20: 46
          -1
          and what am I doing here? or like a little something you need to write at least something?
          1. Ingvar 72
            Ingvar 72 24 November 2022 21: 35
            0
            Quote: Barberry25
            and what am I doing here?

            I perfectly remember who you are, and I remember your views.
            In general, the system should be as flexible as possible in such matters.
            1. Barberry25
              Barberry25 24 November 2022 22: 03
              -1
              it changes .. but you also need to always take into account the human factor and the syndrome of hysterical squirrels.
  4. Eva Star
    Eva Star 24 November 2022 04: 21
    -51
    As for me, it’s not the time to officially raise this topic, especially to threaten that the National Guard will not help, it generally looks like a threat and a call to rebellion. First you need to win the SVO, and then solve internal problems. Of course, Panchenko needs help, but only quietly and without the press, otherwise you only give leverage to our enemy.
    1. User_neydobniu
      User_neydobniu 24 November 2022 05: 28
      +21
      As for me, it’s not the time to officially raise this topic, especially to threaten that the National Guard will not help, it generally looks like a threat and a call to rebellion. First you need to win the SVO, and then solve internal problems. Of course, Panchenko needs help, but only quietly and without the press, otherwise you only give leverage to our enemy.

      You go to die and don’t appear there ... It seems to me, or are our cheers "patriots" to the edge?
      1. frog
        frog 24 November 2022 07: 00
        +8
        It seems to me, or are our cheers "patriots" to the edge?

        Have you noticed it just now? love
        1. GIS
          GIS 24 November 2022 11: 06
          0
          I am a "hooray patriot", but even the situation seems wild to me. officials (as they correctly said in the comments above) - they should not write replies, but SOLVE the question. if they are sitting there for unsubscribing, drive three letters from work .. if they work on a question, it will be clear where, to whom and when a request was made on the issue of compensation for the deceased serviceman.
          and yes, in our country the issue with the EARLY REVIEW of deputies and other "chosen ones" of the people has not been resolved
          1. frog
            frog 24 November 2022 13: 45
            0
            Well, what kind of "hooray-patriot" are you ??))))
            in our country, the issue with the EARLY REVIEW of deputies and other "chosen ones" of the people has not been resolved

            This phrase can not afford any "cheers-". In the same way, as well as about "to solve a question". They solve questions, but not those)))
    2. Ingvar 72
      Ingvar 72 24 November 2022 07: 24
      +13
      Quote from Eva Star
      and then solve internal problems

      Without solving internal problems, the war cannot be won. Leverage to the enemy is given by our power.
    3. John Smith
      John Smith 24 November 2022 08: 09
      +7
      many thanks to you for your post, you perfectly reminded that the government itself is best in dealing with anti-government propaganda,
      I don’t ask the question of whether it is possible to defeat fascism with such rears, how untimely, in other words, subversive and Russian-hating
    4. AUL
      AUL 24 November 2022 08: 52
      +8
      Quote from Eva Star
      Of course, Panchenko needs help, but only quietly and without the press, otherwise you only give leverage to our enemy.

      Just the "lever to the enemy" was given by those ... women with limited social responsibility (literally), who refused the father of the deceased volunteer. Do you think there will be many volunteers after such meanness? Or do you hope that the case will be hushed up, covered up and everything will be covered up?
  5. 28st region
    28st region 24 November 2022 04: 23
    +23
    The main thing is that nothing will happen to her, as she was in office and remained because Tkachev approved her. But that's okay.
    From personal experience so to speak. In 2013, there was the largest flood in the Far East, we will keep silent about its origins because it was practically man-made. The consequences are still hiccuping.
    After the water finally left, they began to count the losses and, in accordance with the Presidential Decree, provide assistance to the victims. .................... (mat) They come and inspect, they appoint 30 for a damaged house and ten for a hundred square meters of a ruined crop. also for 30. The garden is 000 - 20 acres, but 25 thousand. The stove collapsed in the house, the house itself led, well, you can list a lot. The acquaintances in the administration came up on their own, they, the victims, will still not do anything, they will pinch the money and their kids. Yes, what business is it of yours where they send the money, you bought yourself a Kruzak for what shisha? And not a single trial on this matter. about the fact that in the administration they bought apartments for themselves, expensive cars. Is this how they distributed assistance?
    1. TIR
      TIR 24 November 2022 05: 38
      +10
      Our head of administration also stole. The case was filed. Shone the real time. Removed from office for a while. The deputy performed his duties. And a year later they won the case. There was a thief, became a witness in the theft. Reinstated in position. As he sat and stole in an armchair, he continues
      1. frog
        frog 24 November 2022 07: 02
        +8
        That's right, the "vertical of power" ......
    2. Ingvar 72
      Ingvar 72 24 November 2022 07: 26
      +6
      Quote: 28st region
      in accordance with the Decree of the President to provide assistance to the victims. .................... (checkmate)

      Because the President issues a decree, and the cost of execution hangs on the regions. And there at least the grass does not grow.
    3. Raccoon Raccoon
      Raccoon Raccoon 24 November 2022 08: 02
      +10
      A state based on theft is not viable. Which shows SVO.
    4. YOUR
      YOUR 24 November 2022 10: 58
      +3
      I saw this with my own eyes. No matter how I counted on any compensation, they paid only to those who permanently reside and are registered. I have this house in the countryside. Neighbors ... that's a pity for the old people. Went sued everywhere sent. Last year, the stove in the house completely crumbled. Fold a new almost a hundred, the children climbed into loans. This is the help
    5. would
      would 24 November 2022 13: 14
      +2
      Why won't she do anything right now? Usually these are the ones who get promoted! And I'm not kidding now.
  6. dementor873
    dementor873 24 November 2022 04: 50
    +7
    Quote: voice of reason
    b. It is contained in the very law of the Stavropol Territory 23kz. Where the deputies, sitting in the warmth of safety, decided for some reason that a volunteer must fight for six months before he will be covered by the benefits of guarantees and compensation.

    Since when did the law of the region become higher than the federal one, which determines the procedure and amount of payment for those who died in the NWO?
    On November 04.11.2022, XNUMX, Putin approved amendments to the law. The document provides that Russians serving in volunteer formations receive the status of military personnel. They and their family members will be covered by the social guarantees and compensation provided for military personnel, the monetary allowance also cannot be lower than that of contract soldiers holding similar military positions, they will also be insured at the expense of the federal budget. Pay a lawyer to anyone and he will gobble up these authorities with giblets.
    1. Uncle lee
      Uncle lee 24 November 2022 05: 10
      +7
      Quote: dementor873
      Pay a lawyer to anyone and he will gobble up these authorities with giblets.

      So they, without any hired lawyers, give out what is supposed to be, and not roam from their imaginary self-importance!
      1. fiberboard
        fiberboard 24 November 2022 07: 40
        +8
        You are deeply mistaken, you won’t win anything in our courts even if you hire a hundred sensible lawyers. Especially in military courts.
      2. your1970
        your1970 24 November 2022 10: 26
        0
        Quote: Uncle Lee
        Quote: dementor873
        Pay a lawyer to anyone and he will gobble up these authorities with giblets.

        So they, without any hired lawyers, give out what is supposed to be, and not roam from their imaginary self-importance!

        it not payment from the Moscow Region, this is an additional payment from the Stavropol Territory
        The problem is that, according to the law of the Stavropol Territory, they really need 20 kz to get these 3 million contract for 6 months through the draft board.
        "..............
        2) volunteers - citizens of the Russian Federation residing on the territory of the Stavropol Territory, who have concluded a contract (contracts) on participation in a special military operation with a total duration of at least 6 months (hereinafter referred to as the contract) and sent by the military commissariat of the Stavropol Territory to participate in a special military operation; "
    2. 2 Level Advisor
      2 Level Advisor 24 November 2022 06: 30
      +9
      Quote: dementor873
      Since when did the law of the region become higher than the federal one, which determines the procedure and amount of payment for those who died in the NWO?
      On November 04.11.2022, XNUMX, Putin approved amendments to the law.

      response dated 24.10.2022/24.10/04.11. BEFORE the adoption of amendments from the GDP. I think you just need to submit the documents again and they will issue it. Today there are no grounds for refusal, on XNUMX, it turns out, yes, there were .. (if purely from the point of view of law), but the official also could not approve the payment before the adoption of the amendments on XNUMX, then he would have been taken for opposing grounds when approving the payment - from the controlling organs .. bureaucracy, sir .. therefore, the message of the article is correct, but in fact, I think the situation today is being resolved normally ..
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    4. KERMET
      KERMET 24 November 2022 07: 06
      +7
      If payments are approved by local authorities, then they decide according to regional laws.
      I came across this when I dealt with the status of a large family - in different regions it is different and do not care about federal laws.
      Also, at one time I was surprised at the zeal of the local petty bureaucrats with saving the due payments on me - otherwise they lowered some kind of savings plan, otherwise such behavior is inexplicable (he pays not out of his own pocket)
      1. AdAstra
        AdAstra 24 November 2022 09: 08
        +2
        Of course they lower it, because then in this case at the end of the year you can write out a big bonus for yourself.
    5. AdAstra
      AdAstra 24 November 2022 09: 06
      +2
      Well, you still remember according to the constitution laughing
    6. your1970
      your1970 24 November 2022 10: 22
      +2
      Quote: dementor873
      Since when did the law of the region become higher than the federal one, which determines the procedure and amount of payment for those who died in the NWO?
      is a social benefit Stavropol edges - not from MO
  7. Lech from Android.
    Lech from Android. 24 November 2022 05: 03
    +5
    We ask Governor Vladimirov to intervene in this situation.

    Well, the prosecutor's office should intervene here.
    It is necessary to correctly draw up a statement of claim and sue the presumptuous officials.
    Involve the media in this case ... this ossified system of officials must be beaten with his weapons.
    And it's just useless to be indignant without leverage on such officials.
    1. your1970
      your1970 24 November 2022 10: 28
      0
      Quote: Lech from Android.
      Well, the prosecutor's office should intervene here.

      Law 20kz of the Stavropol Territory
      "..............
      2) volunteers - citizens of the Russian Federation residing on the territory of the Stavropol Territory, who have concluded a contract (contracts) on participation in a special military operation with a total duration of at least 6 months (hereinafter referred to as the contract) and sent by the military commissariat of the Stavropol Territory to participate in a special military operation; "
  8. your vsr 66-67
    your vsr 66-67 24 November 2022 05: 15
    +7
    We ask Governor Vladimirov to intervene in the current situation, to rein in the excessively economical minister and her deputy. This disgusting case simply must be corrected. And only then it is worth considering whether the Madam Ministers correspond to their positions to such an extent.


    I would write something like this: - Mr. Governor, isn't it time to purge your government, and drive these snickering ladies with a filthy broom! Not only do they not consider volunteers to be people, they do not consider the entire population of the Stavropol Territory to be people! A SHAME!!!
    It is necessary to intervene in this matter not only to the governor, but also to the president!
  9. parusnik
    parusnik 24 November 2022 05: 23
    +9
    The future we will live in tomorrow is already happening today.
    The future was going on both in the first and in the second Chechen ....
  10. Prisoner
    Prisoner 24 November 2022 05: 45
    +7
    They recruited ladies with reduced social responsibility, now to disentangle. And, to be honest, this disease is not today's, not yesterday's, and not even the day before yesterday. It has always been that way, throughout our history. Died - forgotten, crippled - here's a medal for you, survive. Well, in general, thank you all, everyone is a hero, everyone is free. But what to do? It is necessary to protect your land, the land of your ancestors. Neither heroes nor scum are translated.
    1. Mazunga
      Mazunga 24 November 2022 06: 29
      +5
      they type this word does not apply to them in any way))) try without connections to a simple village administration, for example, I didn’t manage to get a job))) engineer I have awards with more than 20 years of experience such realities so these ladies have a very good roof
      1. your1970
        your1970 24 November 2022 10: 31
        -1
        Quote from Mazunga
        they type this word does not apply to them in any way))) try without connections to a simple village administration, for example, I didn’t manage to get a job))) engineer I have awards with more than 20 years of experience such realities so these ladies have a very good roof
        -no way????
        the position of the chief architect of the district has been vacant for 3 years already, in neighboring districts - 3-4 vacancies also hang for a long time.
        Only I deeply doubt that you will go to the position of chief architect with a salary of 21 feel
        1. Mazunga
          Mazunga 24 November 2022 11: 26
          0
          in Vorkuta or Salekhardinsky district?))) I have a 15-minute walk from the Black Sea, the realities are different
          1. your1970
            your1970 24 November 2022 11: 34
            -2
            Quote from Mazunga
            in Vorkuta or Salekhardinsky district?))) I have a 15-minute walk from the Black Sea, the realities are different
            -then don't tryndit for the entire country.
            Throughout the rest of the country, there is a wild shortage in local municipal administrations. No one for a salary of 15-17 wants to rake in full, go to clean up the territory, plant flowers, participate in mass cultural work and do a bunch of other canoes.
            Z.Y. and not even Vorkuta-Saratov region
            1. Mazunga
              Mazunga 24 November 2022 12: 05
              -1
              tryndet you, I look at the master and the Kuban does not represent the country anymore? and to whom are you then yours
              1. your1970
                your1970 24 November 2022 13: 08
                -2
                Quote from Mazunga
                Kuban no longer represents the country?
                - well, judging by your slogan
                Quote from Mazunga
                try without connections to a simple village administration, at least
                - somehow not very much. Only you exclusively with connections (!!!!) you can break through to a salary of as much as 15 ....
                1. your vsr 66-67
                  your vsr 66-67 24 November 2022 13: 26
                  +5
                  Quote: your1970
                  Quote from Mazunga
                  Kuban no longer represents the country?
                  - well, judging by your slogan
                  Quote from Mazunga
                  try without connections to a simple village administration, at least
                  - somehow not very much. Only you exclusively with connections (!!!!) you can break through to a salary of as much as 15 ....

                  He comes from the Kuban, and his parents too. They are buried there. But do you know why I didn’t go after the army to live there, but stayed in Siberia? Yes, simply because there are ANYWHERE without connections! The people are envious, grabbers, in general, you will not see this in Siberia! Some kind of aunt of mine lived on the same street with us, knew her from childhood. So she grew flowers and traded them in the market. It costs half a day in the heat, on its feet, and sits on a bus, always crowded, so someone young is pulled off the seat by the scruff of the neck with a cry: - Sit down here, make way for the old woman!
                  And I probably have a very strongly developed sense of justice, and I can’t stand such a bl ....!
                  And when I talked with Siberians for three years, I said to myself, my foot will not be in the Kuban with its foul population! But I had to go on vacation while my parents were alive. Withstood the local rudeness for a week, then I started to beat! laughing That's how I live to this day in Siberia, and do not grieve in the Kuban.
                  ps Corresponding with a classmate. For 76 years, she has not traveled anywhere further than Krasnodar. The mentality is the same.
                  1. Mazunga
                    Mazunga 24 November 2022 14: 49
                    -1
                    here large diasporas contribute this fact
                    1. your1970
                      your1970 24 November 2022 15: 18
                      -2
                      Quote from Mazunga
                      here large diasporas contribute this fact
                      Why then speak for the whole country?
            2. Ingvar 72
              Ingvar 72 24 November 2022 15: 50
              +2
              Quote: your1970
              then do not tryndite for the whole country.

              Why? Is it different in other regions of the country? And there is no need to argue about low wages - the places are vile, you can not pay wages at all, they don’t just leave these places.
              Or have you never heard of kickbacks? wink
              1. your1970
                your1970 24 November 2022 20: 07
                0
                Quote: Ingvar 72
                And there is no need to argue about low wages - the places are vile, you can not pay wages at all, they don’t just leave these places.

                But the opponent did not specify - what he wants in the village in place Chapter administrations
                Quote from Mazunga
                idle without connections settlement at least the administration
                least

                Quote: Ingvar 72
                Or have you never heard of kickbacks?
                - in the village administrations, kickbacks can be at the head, FEO and the property department. All ....
                To everyone else - a chocolate bar in the teeth - the most furious rollback.
                Yes, they may have a janitor in the administration there in the Kuban, sawing kickbacks, but with us and with you this is exactly the case.
                And there are vacancies, and the most affectionate is "bureaucratic", and the territory is being cleaned with landfills, and the salary is 15
                And the most anecdotal - I'm 200% sure that they have vacancies there too.
                1. your1970
                  your1970 24 November 2022 23: 43
                  0
                  Quote: Ingvar 72
                  Why? Is it different in other regions of the country?

                  came from a computer - since the address is not known to the opponent, the first city that caught my eye on the coast of the World Cup with a vacancy in the administration:

                  "In the administration of the municipality of the resort city of Gelendzhik, there are the following vacancies:
                  leading specialist of the municipal land control department (for the period of absence of the main employee) lawyer
                  For vacancies, please contact the personnel department of the administration of the municipality of the resort city of Gelendzhik by phone 2-09-91
                  Email: [email protected]"
                  1. frog
                    frog 25 November 2022 11: 42
                    0
                    Somewhat off topic, because it is this topic ... of little interest)). But...
                    "In the administration of the municipality of the resort city of Gelendzhik, there are the following vacancies:
                    leading specialist of the municipal land control department (for the period of absence of the main employee) lawyer

                    If I understand correctly, most likely - a decree. What does a slight movement of the toe of the shoe towards the coccyx of the applicant mean after a while .....
                    1. your1970
                      your1970 25 November 2022 13: 56
                      -1
                      Quote: frog
                      Somewhat off topic, because it is this topic ... of little interest)). But...
                      "In the administration of the municipality of the resort city of Gelendzhik, there are the following vacancies:
                      leading specialist of the municipal land control department (for the period of absence of the main employee) lawyer

                      If I understand correctly, most likely - a decree. What does a slight movement of the toe of the shoe towards the coccyx of the applicant mean after a while .....
                      - natural decree.
                      The only problem is that the opponent beat himself in the chest, which in local administrations, even with connections (yeah, for a paycheck of 15) can’t break through.
                      This is first available example of first available resort administration...

                      Quote: your1970
                      And the most anecdotal - I'm 200% sure that they have vacancies there too.
                      1. frog
                        frog 25 November 2022 15: 33
                        +1
                        Well, let's just say, often (both here and in other places)) speakers ... a little prevaricate. Maybe I do too, although I try to avoid it. What to do, we are all human. With all the attached signs of arithmetic. Therefore, I try .... not to generalize too much. On the other hand, there are statistics
                        And yet, yes, there are many cases when everything happens approximately as you described with this Kazakh .... I know, unfortunately ...
                        On the other hand, there are a few more cases when there are exactly unsubscribes. With this sign a little more)).....
                        As for this ... episode ... Then, IMHO, there is an ordinary mess, our favorite, and the unwillingness of some characters to do anything. At the same time, in relation to oneself or others .... "the right guys" for some reason, there are much fewer such collisions ....
  11. Cheldon
    Cheldon 24 November 2022 05: 50
    -19
    Again, as in those days when the state grinned at the faces of the Afghans: "We did not send you there."

    Can you provide a specific link to this expression? And who from the state officials said this? You have to be responsible for your words.
    1. Guran33 Sergey
      Guran33 Sergey 24 November 2022 08: 14
      +6
      Articles in "argument and fact" for 1986 .. A whole series .. The military commissars refused to give certificates for receiving benefits.
      1. Cheldon
        Cheldon 24 November 2022 09: 19
        -7
        I know where the legs grow from. And this phrase in another newspaper was read and spoken by her doctor. A doctor or a military commissar is not a state. And to make such a table of contents of the article is, to put it mildly, not decent. I hope after December 1 Skomorokhov's articles are more balanced and thoughtful.
  12. NetKeys
    NetKeys 24 November 2022 06: 12
    +7
    Officials harm the country and people even more than those who shoot at Russian soldiers on the territory of the former Ukraine.
  13. samarin1969
    samarin1969 24 November 2022 06: 15
    +9
    For some reason, Moscow hangs questions of defense on regional bureaucrats. It is clear that the "chizhiki" will not jump through the requirements of financial reporting. The MO itself must pay directly from the federal budget.
    1. Ingvar 72
      Ingvar 72 24 November 2022 09: 07
      +4
      Quote: samarin1969
      The MO itself must pay directly from the federal budget.

      The decision has already been made. But as always, only after the roasted rooster pecked. hi
    2. your1970
      your1970 24 November 2022 10: 33
      +1
      Quote: samarin1969
      The MO itself must pay directly from the federal budget.
      -this ADDITIONAL regional payment
  14. Vladimir100
    Vladimir100 24 November 2022 06: 20
    +2
    They refused because they are insured otherwise then they themselves will have to return for illegally accrued payments.
  15. Vladimir100
    Vladimir100 24 November 2022 06: 21
    -4
    Quote: Captive
    It is necessary to protect your land, the land of your ancestors

    Is it necessary for money?
    1. Ingvar 72
      Ingvar 72 24 November 2022 09: 09
      +3
      Quote: Vladimir100
      Is it necessary for money?

      Will you feed the families of volunteers and mobilized? Pay loans? Or arrange with the bank to give a deferment?
      1. Vladimir100
        Vladimir100 25 November 2022 02: 49
        -1
        You need to earn money with your work, not take loans. enough to feed like everyone else 25-35t.rub. time to curb your appetite.
        1. Ingvar 72
          Ingvar 72 25 November 2022 09: 25
          +1
          Quote: Vladimir100
          enough to feed like everyone else 25-35t.r

          If for each family member, then yes. And I have 35-40 for five.
  16. Mazunga
    Mazunga 24 November 2022 06: 26
    +5
    BARS is a structure of the Ministry of Defense? They all go through the military enlistment office, they all offered me persistently to join the ranks that fall, but I’m 48 years old and I immediately became alert))) the fact is that when I was 38 I went to the same military enlistment office to get a contract and I was politely sent ,,,,, )))) to catch butterflies on a farm
  17. Vladimir Mikhalev
    Vladimir Mikhalev 24 November 2022 06: 31
    +3
    It's not up to the governor. The paper was dropped from above. Ask why? Across the country there is a wave in the military registration and enlistment offices, go not by conscription or contract, but by volunteer. So the governor is unlikely to help (I knew about it, but you explained why).
  18. tone
    tone 24 November 2022 06: 32
    -2
    Enough to scare the novel, the noviops who have returned mobilized, otherwise they will make sure that they do not return.
  19. AlexisT
    AlexisT 24 November 2022 06: 35
    +3
    We need a complaint on the website of the regional prosecutor's office, the website of the governor, the website of the president. Least. This is done very quickly.
    1. Mixweb
      Mixweb 24 November 2022 07: 03
      +2
      Believe me, it's useless. Especially on the governor's website. They don't even condescend to answer. And the prosecutor's office unsubscribes in the sense that this is not their job. A letter to the president's website? I beg of you. Passed already. These requests are forwarded to the region, and what the answer will be from there, I think, is not a secret for anyone.
      1. Woodman
        Woodman 24 November 2022 08: 24
        +1
        Quote: Mixweb
        Believe it's useless

        When one of the volunteers was denied payment for the wound, the case was decided by one visit to the military registration and enlistment office. The money came within a week. It was summer.
  20. VictorVictor
    VictorVictor 24 November 2022 06: 44
    +1
    The names of the saboteurs are known. For one place, to the court, and to the front. Let at least porridge be cooked until the end of the SVO. There will be a benefit. When you try to slip away, shoot them like deserters. Fair warning ahead of time.
  21. Mixweb
    Mixweb 24 November 2022 07: 00
    +3
    To be honest, I don’t understand why Vladimir Vladimirovich Vladimirov, the governor of the Stavropol Territory, a man with a more than decent working biography, has such subordinates.

    Let me disagree with the author. Do you consider Vladimirov "a person with more than a decent working biography"?! Isn't it funny yourself? To me, as a resident of the Stavropol Territory, such a description of our governor seems, at least, greatly overestimated. Therefore, there should be no misunderstanding. What is the pop, such is the arrival.
  22. alexey_Murzin
    alexey_Murzin 24 November 2022 07: 00
    0
    I am initially embarrassed that this is not a war, but a special operation.
    Hence such moments with payments .. And when there are many disabled people, they will not be paid either, they will say there was no war ....
  23. fiberboard
    fiberboard 24 November 2022 07: 01
    +1
    Here I am, when I also got the disease, and some of my friends. No trials, nothing to win and prove is not possible. When the fighters return, they will not be able to do anything. The apparatus of suppression works perfectly, the vertical of thieves' power too.
  24. Maxim Sergeevich
    Maxim Sergeevich 24 November 2022 07: 12
    +5
    Based on the documents, the application was submitted in September - October 2022. The refusal was due to the absence at that time of equating a NWO volunteer with a NWO soldier. I would recommend that the applicant re-apply for payments, taking into account the Federal Law of November 21.11.2022, 450 No. XNUMX-FZ "On Amendments to the Federal Law" On Veterans "
    1. Knizhnik
      Knizhnik 24 November 2022 07: 45
      +2
      This is the best thing to do. But they can refuse on the grounds that the law has no retroactive effect. It is necessary to the deputies of the State Duma, there is a group of patriots there, to introduce new amendments to the law. Or, again, by the strong-willed decision of the President ...
      1. Maxim Sergeevich
        Maxim Sergeevich 24 November 2022 11: 05
        +1
        No, they won't answer. It is clearly stated that the effect of the law extends to the beginning of
  25. Virus-free crown
    Virus-free crown 24 November 2022 07: 23
    +8
    While we live in the reality of a joke
    "It's time to think about the people."
    There is a meeting of the Government or the Duma, and maybe all the officials.
    Summing up activities.
    - "We all have been working for a long time and already have everything that is possible: real estate
    in Russia and abroad, factories, newspapers, ships, land, subsoil, etc.
    It's time to think about the people."
    Whispering, murmuring, clattering through the hall...
    - "I think 500 showers for each will be enough for a start."
    A curtain.

    nothing will change with us, because Putin himself recently said in plain text that, following the results of his meeting, everything suits him and is not even going to fire anyone am not to mention the investigation-court-execution at the Kremlin wall for special jambs, for small ones you can be sent to a penal battalion
  26. Qas
    Qas 24 November 2022 07: 26
    +3
    Yes, they (those in the photo) will not have anything. We went through this. Afghan, if that's a witness. Was someone imprisoned, deprived of a bonus, or kicked out in disgrace? Is there an article in the labor code for them? No. Why kick them out?
  27. Prometey
    Prometey 24 November 2022 07: 41
    -1
    As during Chechnya and Afghanistan will not be. Severe uncles who went through this war, in the event of a meeting with such bureaucrats, will calmly put them on pitchforks right in their offices. It will not reach so it will come through their loved ones. And no one will do anything to them. The police also want to live.
    1. kor1vet1974
      kor1vet1974 24 November 2022 08: 42
      +4
      Severe uncles who went through this war, in the event of a meeting with such bureaucrats, will calmly put them on pitchforks right in their offices.
      Severe uncles who went through the Chechen war didn’t put anyone on pitchforks .. Don’t cheat .. Scattered harsh uncles, in different cities, so that they don’t hang out together much .. And they didn’t think too much .. About pitchforks, for example .. Among applicants for pitchforks , everything is "taken into account by a mighty hurricane" (c)
      1. Prometey
        Prometey 24 November 2022 11: 14
        -1
        Quote: kor1vet1974
        Severe uncles who went through the Chechen war did not plant anyone on the pitchfork.

        Then there was no mobilization. It won't work to spread.
  28. Nikolaevich I
    Nikolaevich I 24 November 2022 07: 48
    +2
    The fact that officials are not from this world, but from their own, they prove "every night and hourly" for many, many years! To hate your people so much ... it’s necessary to be able to form your consciousness for the “servants of the people” in such a way! In the Duma, they express concern about the education of young people ... and who will attend to the education of officials ... those who decided that they themselves should "educate" the people in their own way?! Skomorokhov is right ... Vladimirov must answer for his bureaucrats! Such scams must be stopped immediately ... harshly and cruelly!
    1. kor1vet1974
      kor1vet1974 24 November 2022 08: 36
      +5
      The fact that officials are not of this world
      Why? From this world, from this .. They didn’t fly from Mars and they weren’t sent by the State Department, or do you still think they were sent?
  29. lelik613
    lelik613 24 November 2022 07: 59
    +1
    what will happen when half a million participants return from the war?
    Probably about the best grinding of cuttings of mops and shovels ...
  30. Dmitry Karabanov
    Dmitry Karabanov 24 November 2022 08: 01
    +3
    Everything is rightly said. Only such officials are the flesh of the flesh of the system that Putin has been nurturing for more than 20 years. And do not talk about the "bad boyars". There would be a desire from above - and the officials would start working, and not imitate. How could Stalin do it?
    1. Yuri Grubov
      Yuri Grubov 24 November 2022 08: 14
      +1
      not 20, but 30 with prerequisites even earlier
      1. tatra
        tatra 24 November 2022 08: 46
        -2
        with preconditions even earlier

        These prerequisites are that the enemies of the USSR captured the USSR during Perestroika for criminal purposes, and they themselves admitted it, therefore, in their Perestroika, they lied to the Soviet people in everything, and therefore, cowardly shifted the blame for their seizure of the USSR to those who have them he was taken away.
  31. John Smith
    John Smith 24 November 2022 08: 02
    +1
    from the authors go into business and we didn’t ask you to give birth
    a sequel to you, the Nazis shot off your leg, let them pay a pension already in development
  32. Comrade I
    Comrade I 24 November 2022 08: 04
    +3
    ... from Vladimir Vladimirovich Vladimirov, the governor of the Stavropol Territory, a man with a more than decent working biography ...

    And in what "decency" is expressed, it is possible in more detail? How and why should he differ from hundreds of other officials of his level? If it has long been known that they all have the same face?
  33. kor1vet1974
    kor1vet1974 24 November 2022 08: 20
    +4
    The future we will live in tomorrow is already happening today.
    "You think about the future. There will be no hut, a palace for every family.
    With columns, with fountains, and tile mounds. Steam heating! You will drink tea with lemon on the balcony. Your wife is beautiful. You can speak German, or you can speak French. Come on, Bumbarashka, to the Red Army.
    We will win a fairy-tale life for the working people. "(c) xf" Bumbarash ". And they went, to the Red Army, monetary allowances, benefits for the families of the Red Army. And this is all during the Civil years. The future in which we will live, judging by the article, is already being created. .It will be even lighter than today.
    1. tatra
      tatra 24 November 2022 08: 41
      -1
      The "bright future" that the Russian enemies of the USSR are now preparing for Russia and the Russian people is even more impoverished, even more technologically backward, hating the whole world, with "friends - world outcasts, and the poorest countries in the world.
  34. Evgeny Velikanov
    Evgeny Velikanov 24 November 2022 08: 32
    0
    So I did not understand what side the administration of the region was here ...

    Let ts pay
  35. Igoresh
    Igoresh 24 November 2022 08: 57
    +2
    And they, these mobilized ones, will not come, they will not be allowed to come, they will be destroyed. As the West fights to the last Ukrainian, so the Kremlin's servants will fight to the last Russian.
  36. yuriy55
    yuriy55 24 November 2022 08: 58
    +2
    The issue would have been resolved without hassle, if, during the partial mobilization, such an issue was also stipulated - state lump-sum assistance to the family of the DIE PARTICIPANT OF THE SVO.
    Participation in the SVO can be easily documented by the commander of the unit (subunit) with a visa from the higher headquarters.
    *****
    As for this inhuman situation, there are plenty of them, as well as those indifferent ones who have their own shirt closer to the body. Deputies of the State Duma (especially the majority party) should not tell fairy tales about the war in the studios, but on the ground to figure out whether everything is being done in accordance with the law and what needs to be corrected.
    1. kor1vet1974
      kor1vet1974 24 November 2022 10: 06
      +4
      Deputies of the State Duma (especially the majority party) should not tell tales about the war in the studios, but figure it out on the ground
      They have already figured it out on the spot .. in the State Duma, they raised their wages, they have it, below the subsistence level .. smile
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  38. Mexican. 29
    Mexican. 29 24 November 2022 09: 04
    +3
    Everything could have been solved more simply on the site of officials: well, you see that the documents are drawn up with shortcomings, so contact the citizen, explain what and how to correct and where to get the missing information. And there will be no help for a person, and there will be no scandal, but for these, everything is as usual, they saw a violation of the regulations and “refuse”
  39. Boris55
    Boris55 24 November 2022 09: 09
    -4
    Quote: R. Skomorokhov
    It doesn't matter what she will do, to Andrey's children, if they are...

    How does it not matter? If there are children, then there is a family and then money is given to his family - wife, childrenand not to parents.

    No matter what anyone is to blame, there should be no IF! And so it turns out a provocative article, arousing hostility to the authorities and leading to the destruction of the state.
    1. your1970
      your1970 24 November 2022 10: 37
      0
      Quote: Boris55
      How is it not important? If there are children, then there is a family, and then the money is assigned to his family - his wife, children, and not his parents.
      - Boris, just read the law of the Stavropol Territory in the latest edition
      there is a problem in
      "..............
      2) volunteers - citizens of the Russian Federation residing on the territory of the Stavropol Territory, who have concluded a contract (contracts) on participation in a special military operation with a total duration of at least 6 months (hereinafter referred to as the contract) and sent by the military commissariat of the Stavropol Territory to participate in a special military operation; "
      1. Barberry25
        Barberry25 24 November 2022 10: 48
        -2
        But nothing that the reason is described in paragraph 23 of the law?
      2. Boris55
        Boris55 24 November 2022 10: 50
        -1
        Quote: your1970
        law of the Stavropol Territory

        Federal laws take precedence over local laws.

        "The State Duma in the final third reading adopted a law establishing the status of volunteer formations. According to the document, Volunteers in their status are equated to military personnel under the contract. Thus, volunteer formations will contribute to the fulfillment of the tasks assigned to the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation in wartime, the period of mobilization, as well as during counter-terrorist operations or the use of the Russian army outside the country.
        Law No. 07.10.2022-FZ dated October 394, XNUMX
        1. your1970
          your1970 24 November 2022 11: 07
          +2
          Quote: Boris55
          Quote: your1970
          law of the Stavropol Territory

          Federal laws take precedence over local laws.

          "The State Duma in the final third reading adopted a law establishing the status of volunteer formations. According to the document, Volunteers in their status are equated to military personnel under the contract. Thus, volunteer formations will contribute to the fulfillment of the tasks assigned to the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation in wartime, the period of mobilization, as well as during counter-terrorist operations or the use of the Russian army outside the country.
          Law No. 07.10.2022-FZ dated October 394, XNUMX

          the problem is that 394-FZ comes into force on 01.01.2023/XNUMX/XNUMX
  40. Master 2030
    Master 2030 24 November 2022 09: 20
    +2
    In Russia, the veteran is the most socially unprotected group of the population. Thanks to Roman for his work - always afraid of publicity. Condolences to the father of the deceased.
  41. Andrey Titov
    Andrey Titov 24 November 2022 09: 33
    0
    Real, well-lived, and everything is fine with them - M - razots.
  42. German
    German 24 November 2022 09: 52
    0
    Increasingly, the phrase of 1916 is recalled: "Stupidity or Treason" ...
    Oh how I don't want a repeat! We must prevent that blood.
    Such things as in the article should be voiced. It is necessary for the people to understand that they need to unite, it is necessary to use legal methods so that this Power begins to work! There are a lot of methods, but we are used to enduring lawlessness by default. There are deputies, there are representations of parties. If the neighbors help the Father, write together or come all together to this madam - the issue will be resolved! We forgot that we are the People. What can we do together...
    The author, if possible, contact the community of veterans. It should definitely be in the Stavropol Territory. What will they say to this?
    1. User_neydobniu
      User_neydobniu 24 November 2022 12: 45
      +5
      Increasingly, the phrase of 1916 is recalled: "Stupidity or Treason" ...
      Oh how I don't want a repeat! We must prevent that blood.
      Such things as in the article should be voiced. It is necessary for the people to understand that they need to unite, it is necessary to use legal methods so that this Power begins to work! sea ​​methods

      You endure this main thing and do not be indignant, but you see, maybe the master will have mercy and throw a bone ...
      1. German
        German 24 November 2022 13: 32
        -5
        From what country? Where in our world is there no bar? Anti-covid measures have shown that all "free" "civilized" peoples are driven into a stall at the snap of their fingers.
        Where do you write from?
        1. User_neydobniu
          User_neydobniu 24 November 2022 13: 49
          +2
          From what country? Where in our world is there no bar? Anti-covid measures have shown that all "free" "civilized" peoples are driven into a stall at the snap of their fingers.
          Where do you write from?

          That my friend can’t wait to set the National Guard on me so that the master’s eyes do not callus, but figs for you ... And I wish you that if you repeat 1917, you won’t leave or be offended wink
  43. Barberry25
    Barberry25 24 November 2022 09: 56
    -3
    but I have one question ... The title of the article is already under discredit, or did Roman just decide to hype? In fact, the documents directly say that they are not drawn up correctly. contact the military registration and enlistment office or the hotline for clarification on what and how to do .. but no .. they dashed off a whole article.
  44. Mekey Iptyshev
    Mekey Iptyshev 24 November 2022 09: 57
    +1
    I have heard of similar cases. When the relatives of the deceased were not given money. As a result, the essence was reduced to the following.
    Volunteer before the mobilization AND the referendum AND the ACCEPTANCE of Donbass into Russia, whom did he defend and in which armed forces did he fight ?? Maybe he was in the army of the LPR or the DPR, go there for payments. After all, legally there is no war between Ukraine and Russia, and your "father, brother, son" died defending, for example, the LPR, but not Russia.
    In general, everything was "muddy". As far as I know, if a contract soldier - a serviceman of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation died, then relatives had no problems with receiving money. But the volunteers have problems with their legal status. It is not for nothing that the VChK "Wagner" says that their company pays compensation from its own funds to the relatives of the deceased "musician", apparently knowing that the Russian Federation will not pay for the "Wagnerian".
    On TV (sometimes I watch) there was a discussion about this and they said that a law on "volunteers" would be adopted. I wonder if it was officially adopted. And how the situation has changed with the volunteers who fought as part of the People's Militia of the LPR, etc. after the accession of 4 regions to Russia after a referendum.
    1. German
      German 24 November 2022 14: 00
      +1
      The law has recently been passed. But from what date to count - I did not figure it out.
      1. your1970
        your1970 24 November 2022 15: 20
        +3
        Quote: German
        The law has recently been passed. But from what date to count - I did not figure it out.
        amendments to the law on military service come into force on 01.01.2023
  45. Doctor
    Doctor 24 November 2022 10: 05
    +2
    Even today, some openly express their joy in this way about the fact that “Here, December 1 will come - shut up” (List of information from the FSB that can be used against the security of the Russian Federation). Probably yes. Have to.

    Half of the order about Roskosmos. Chatting in front of a journalist! laughing
  46. Postcode
    Postcode 24 November 2022 10: 20
    +1
    Unfortunately, no one is immune from such cases. Ideally, you need to look at this law / resolution, what is written there about the procedure for payments and categories, who is supposed to. Maybe, indeed, this moment was prescribed there, that the call / referral should have been carried out precisely from the Stavropol VC, this may be as a flaw at the stage of the formation of the Law itself, perhaps a specially provided option. At the federal level, they equated all categories participating in the v.sl.
    1. your1970
      your1970 24 November 2022 10: 47
      +1
      Quote from Cap
      Unfortunately, no one is immune from such cases. Ideally, you need to look at this law / resolution, what is written there about the procedure for payments and categories, who is supposed to. Maybe, indeed, this moment was prescribed there, that the call / referral should have been carried out precisely from the Stavropol VC, this may be as a flaw at the stage of the formation of the Law itself, perhaps a specially provided option. At the federal level, they equated all categories participating in the v.sl.

      and with us, as usual, the main thing is to shout "AAA damned bureaucrats !!" - Naturally, no one began to read the law
      Zkon Stavropol Territory 20 kz
      "..............
      2) volunteers - citizens of the Russian Federation residing on the territory of the Stavropol Territory, who have concluded a contract (contracts) on participation in a special military operation with a total duration of at least 6 months (hereinafter referred to as the contract) and sent by the military commissariat of the Stavropol Territory to participate in a special military operation; "
      1. Postcode
        Postcode 24 November 2022 11: 10
        +2
        There are nuances, in the spring my classmate at a military school, being a reserve officer, volunteered for the Bashkir battalion, signed a contract for 3 months (the age is no longer young, I decided to look, try) ... he returned, alive and well, thank God, for this time, the locals adopted a bunch of laws. I went to figure out what is supposed to be, what is not supposed to be ... indeed, some "nishtyaks" are only for those who are 6 months old or more ... there is probably some kind of logic in this ... to fight for 3 months, 6 months or a year... not everything can be the same as payments. Well, conditionally, no one forbade them to sign for 6 months at once ... At the same time, all obligatory payments from the Ministry of Defense, as a direct participant in the Treaty (monthly payment, payments for injury and death, bonuses for "achievements". ...) they are the same for everyone and are standard. Payments by regional authorities are the initiative of these authorities, in theory, they may not exist at all. Just like those mobilized in one region were paid 50 each, somewhere around 000 ...
    2. Barberry25
      Barberry25 24 November 2022 10: 47
      +3
      Taking into account the fact that BARS-13, according to the network, was formed in the Rostov region, there are two options: 1) the deceased fighter is not registered in Stavropol, unlike his father;
      2) The deceased fighter joined the BARS on his own through the Rostov structures, therefore he is not listed in the military enlistment office in the lists
      3) an error in filling out documents ..-in other words, you need to look at the documents.

      By the way, the ministry has already stated that they did not receive documents from the MoD, but re-sent a request for investigation.
  47. gv2000
    gv2000 24 November 2022 11: 27
    +3
    It's simple: when the state has something to take from you, there are no questions and a lot of guarantees. And when the time comes to pay off, they are looking for any reasons not to comply. It's not all human.
  48. Landwarrior
    Landwarrior 24 November 2022 11: 32
    +2
    It was expected.
    To the opposite is expected. No.
  49. Woroshilow
    Woroshilow 24 November 2022 11: 33
    +6
    Well, we have been living under capitalism for thirty years, and our people are still naive, what are you calling for, decency, conscience, dignity? Forget! our ruling class has not had it for a long time, as in any other country with a ruling class of representatives of the bourgeoisie, it’s just that ordinary citizens there have long understood these truths. As an example of a normal relationship between citizens and the capitalist ruling regime, I will cite the disaster at the Fukushima nuclear power plant in Japan. After the explosion of accumulated hydrogen in the reactor halls, a fire started at the station, TEPCO management and representatives of the Fukushima city administration immediately rushed to the local fire department to find out why no one went to put out the fire at the station. The employees of the fire brigade were very surprised by the claims, they presented their employment contracts, where not a word was said that they were obliged to participate in the elimination of accidents at nuclear facilities. It was immediately suggested that an additional an agreement to the contract, which clearly stated how much they would be paid, how and where they would be treated in cases of radiation contamination, what compensation and in what terms their families would receive in case of death on duty. Those in power were forced to go to all the demands, the contracts were signed and certified. And only after that, fire brigades went to put out the fire. Capitalism is a world of merchants, and in it only certified agreements and contracts are valid, where the rights and obligations of the parties are clearly defined.
  50. Seraphimamur
    Seraphimamur 24 November 2022 12: 26
    -1
    With what joy the author Roman Skomorokhov narrates about this egregious misunderstanding. It's amazing how little a person needs to be happy. And that officials should shed a tear and allocate money from the kindness of their hearts? After that, the prosecutor's office will be excited on the subject of "misappropriation of funds" and will see theft. And the judge will cry and out of pity will slap this official for three years of a general regime.