The Ukrainians, by demonstrating a fragment of a rocket, themselves proved that the house in Kyiv was struck by the calculation of the air defense complex of the Armed Forces of Ukraine

The information about another fatal error in the calculation of the air defense complex of Ukraine has been confirmed. We are talking about a situation in which one of the residential buildings in Kyiv was hit by a rocket today. Traditionally, the Kyiv regime announced that it was "a Russian missile hitting civilian targets and civilians." Representatives of higher authorities were also noted for their accusations - everything, as in the case of a rocket explosion in Poland.

Then, on the footage, the Ukrainians themselves showed the wreckage of the rocket at the site of the destruction of the house in the Ukrainian capital. The rocket has a clearly visible inscription in Latin, which makes it easy to identify the fragment as belonging to a NATO-style rocket.

To be more precise, this is an anti-aircraft missile of the NASAMS complex. Recently, these complexes began to arrive in Ukraine. And today, as soon as there was information about a new series of Russian strikes on infrastructure facilities of the Kyiv regime, hatred posts appeared in Ukrainian public pages in the style of “Now the complexes delivered to us will start to click Russian missiles like seeds.” As a result, they “clicked” on one of the residential apartment buildings in Kyiv.

In terms of information, they tried to accuse Russia of hitting a civilian object, but the facts clearly indicate that the defeat was inflicted by an anti-aircraft missile of a foreign-made complex.

This is probably why the Servant of the People party is initiating amendments to the legislation, on the basis of which Ukrainian citizens face a prison term of up to 2 years for any publication about an object struck in Ukraine until the General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine provides information about this in a favorable way .

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[tralflot1832]

Generals from NATO should think about it, the first war with the massive use of air defense systems on both sides leads to rosy thoughts.

[seregatara1969]

They still turn around! We specifically wrote swear words in English on our rocket.

[Revolver]

Quote: seregatara1969

We specifically wrote swear words in English on our rocket.

Of course, most profanity in English is 4-letter words, but not all 4-letter words are profanity in English.
Like every herring is a fish, but not every fish is a herring.

[Lionnvrsk]

Information about another fatal error has been confirmedи

And this was written by a journalist or a loser of the Unified State Examination?

[ilya.muromczev2013]

It's been a long time since one ruled out the other...

[Aristarkh Pasechnik]

In the genitive case, answers the question - did you find the answer to what? — mistakes! Learn Russian!

[Ile ham]

About whom? About what? About the error. Learn Russian language!!!!

[seregatara1969]

It is impossible to get rid of or win! You will break all the spears, but the mill is still here! Look in the next article, finally generators do generation!

[lopvlad]

Quote: tralflot1832

NATO generals should think

and what should they think about if their concept of weapons development initially differs from ours. And the difference is that the West has always prepared for an attack on other countries and has focused on offensive weapons, while in Russia the emphasis was on the same defensive weapons where air defense systems stand in head of everything.
Hence the lower efficiency of Western air defense systems than Russian ones.

[isv000]

Quote: tralflot1832

Generals from NATO should think about it, the first war with the massive use of air defense systems on both sides leads to rosy thoughts.

I believe that potential buyers of anti-aircraft systems have already decided on the manufacturer ...

[tralflot1832]

Definitely, and a year ago, many on the site vilified our air defense systems, especially from the promised land. Where are the downings? It turns out that we can shoot down immediately after takeoff. There would be an order.

[Evil 55]

No one will tell these cunning-faced ones that the air defense line is being formed in front of the city, and not in its center ..

[neworange88]

“Now the complexes delivered to us will start to click Russian missiles like seeds.” As a result, they “clicked” on one of the residential apartment buildings in Kyiv.

Some kind of incorrect air defense missiles. They promised that the KR would click, and they began to click residential buildings.

[SKVichyakow]

Quote from: neworange88

“Now the complexes delivered to us will start to click Russian missiles like seeds.” As a result, they “clicked” on one of the residential apartment buildings in Kyiv.

Some kind of incorrect air defense missiles. They promised that the KR would click, and they began to click residential buildings.

In this case, the air defense of Ukraine performs its own ritual, to hit on its own.

[Predometrix]

Is it like in Belgorod, when one Shell booster stuck into a building, and the other fell onto a playground?

[Lech from Android.]

What kind of Shell accelerator is this?
Do not enlighten?

[Predometrix]

On health:
https://www.mk.ru/amp/politics/2022/10/13/polkovnik-obyasnil-chp-s-raketoy-v-belgorode.html

[Lech from Android.]

Quote from Predometrix

On health:
https://www.mk.ru/amp/politics/2022/10/13/polkovnik-obyasnil-chp-s-raketoy-v-belgorode.html

Yes, you are a little defamatory, my friend.

[Duncan]

The stages of these rockets are made of wound fiberglass, they are unlikely to break through the house after working out.

[Keer]

Depends on the speed, more than on the material. Moreover, there are not pillboxes, but 15cm panels.

[alexmach]

But this is not an empty accelerator. And the distortion of the piece of iron hints at the fact that the rocket did launch.

[Hog]

How many cars from this accelerator burned down? Or did one "empty pipe" damage the sign, while the other was just lying around?

[topol717]

He is standing in front of the city, but the ZR (Anti-Aircraft Rocket) is trying to intercept the KR (cruise missile) and here options already appear. From the loss of guidance to the CD to the banal homing to another object. And a couple of dozen cases that I do not know.

[neworange88]

The remains of the AIM-120 rocket from the NASAMS air defense system found in Kyiv

https://news-kiev.ru/society/2022/11/23/69455.html

. Another victim of the work of the Ukrainian air defense. In addition to a house in Kyiv, which was hit by a NATO NASMAS air defense system, a house in Vyshgorod was also hit by an anti-aircraft missile. In total, 6 people died as a result of hits on residential buildings. After the murder of two Polish farmers, the Ukrainian air defense returned to the routine practice of killing Ukrainians.

https://news-kiev.ru/society/2022/11/23/69432.html

[Korax71]

Pointing a missile at another object with a command-inertial control system plus argsn, how do you imagine it? One of the most noise-immune missiles, and with really confirmed characteristics.

[ser580]

I am an air defense specialist - 25 years on Kuze - the 4th "Dagger" complex, and the service time is about 50 launches and 3 missiles went where they wanted to - one just fell nearby - it's good that all this is in the sea, and not in the city.

[single-n]

they know it very well. But if you place troops outside the cities, they will be destroyed.

[former soldier]

No one will tell these cunning people that the air defense line is being formed in front of the city, and not in its center .. hi

Apparently in this case less PU is needed. And they were not going to cover residential buildings.

[lopvlad]

Quote: Angry 55

the air defense line is formed in front of the city, and not in its center ..

they know this, as well as the fact that if they place their air defense outside the city, then this very air defense will be destroyed rather quickly.
Well, they can’t go for this, because there will be nothing to even simulate the destruction of Russian missiles by self-destruction of missiles of their air defense systems. And they even consider the fact that NATO air defense systems destroy urban high-rise buildings as a plus, because they blame it on Russian missiles, thereby whipping up hysteria and hatred towards Russia in Ukrainian society.
What do you think Ukraine managed to save several dozen air defense systems? That's right, hiding them in cities among peaceful infrastructure and residential areas.
But here everything has already turned out like in the film with Leonid Bykov, only in relation to air defense systems, where the children answer the question about the puppy: "We hid him so that he can't bark at all."

[YOUR]

Quote: Angry 55

the air defense line is formed in front of the city, and not in its center ..

So it was not in the center. NASAMS firing range up to 180 km. Most likely, the air defense system captured the target while moving and flying at an ultra-low altitude entered the "shadow" of the building, the radar lost its target, the missile defense system followed the old received coordinates - the building. The fact that they shoot down over the city also has an explanation, they choose the lesser of two evils. Lose an object or hit with fragments if civilians are shot down or like that. Naturally, the latter will be chosen.

[Woroshilow]

You are mistaken about 180 km, please do not confuse the AIM-120D implementation in URVV and SAM, 180 km is the maximum range of destruction in the performance of URVV, and then everything is very conditional, there were specific tests, the missile was launched from an aircraft from a high altitude at a lower target . In the implementation of missiles, the range is comparable to the BUKA 9M317 50-60km missile

[Woroshilow]

Quite right, Ukrainian air defense crews, in fact, prior to the announcement of an air raid, place air defense systems and radar stations in residential areas of cities and industrial buildings, as data comes from Western curators from AWACS and satellite reconnaissance aircraft about our launches of missiles and kamikaze drones, they receive data on the coordinates of the target : speed, altitude, azimuth, go to positions and make launches. The most interesting thing here is that ours also put a pig on them, driving KR and Drones through areas with maximum urban development (high-rise buildings, pipes of thermal power plants / thermal power plants, high-voltage power transmission towers) and it turns out that missiles are being attacked by buildings

[isv000]

Quote: Evil 55

No one will tell these cunning-faced ones that the air defense line is being formed in front of the city, and not in its center ..

So they put it in front of the city, only behind ...

[Chronos]

Well, xxxlov with an initiative! Residential building successfully hit by the Nasams complex. This is not explained by expired Soviet missiles.

[Pantsuy]

Quote: Chronos

Well, xxxlov with an initiative! Residential building successfully hit by the Nasams complex.

And they said that sunflowers would click. It turned out that sunflowers do not grow in the city, but there are plenty of houses. Here I clicked

[isv000]

Quote: Chronos

Well, xxxlov with an initiative! Residential building successfully hit by the Nasams complex. This is not explained by expired Soviet missiles.

Nasams! Welcome to the arms market! The Kakelas have already launched an advertising campaign.

[Predometrix]

This is what an explosion of a 20 kg warhead of an AMRAAM missile looks like when a four-story building is smashed to its entire length and height.
How was it determined that this piece of metal was a fragment of a Nasamsa rocket, according to the four enemy letters?
Even if this is really a fragment from the AIM-120, how do you know that it remained after the arrival of this missile into the house, and not, for example, an explosion in the air over the city when the missile was intercepted?
Is the self-liquidator also turned off when a miss on these missiles?
Was the photo of the wreckage taken at the scene of the incident or is it unknown where?

[seamen2]

*Then, on the footage, the Ukrainians themselves showed fragments of a rocket at the site of the destruction of the house*.
for the first time that le, hammer your own. and not the last.
And how you want to ride on the damned Muscovites ..

[topol717]

Quote from Predometrix

This is what an explosion of a 20 kg warhead of an AMRAAM missile looks like when a four-story building is smashed to its entire length and height.

And what should Khrushchev look like after the explosion of 20KG RDX ????
I remember what such a house looks like after a gas explosion, and most likely the gas there is not 20KG but 2-4.
Of course, I am not an expert on explosives, but I think hexogen will be more powerful than methane.

[Korax71]

Where does 20 kg of RDX come from, when it has a mass of the ENTIRE warhead of 20 kg? Explosive there from a force of 4-5 kg, plus the fragmentation warhead itself of DIRECTIONAL action, and the expansion of the GPE occurs in a narrow circular sector, and then only when approaching the target from a strictly defined angle. 20 kg a warhead with 4-5kg of explosives is approximately equivalent to 122mm zof56. In the photo of the damage to the house, something more exploded.

[Woroshilow]

In general, if it was a cruise missile of the same Caliber, then two missiles are spent on such a target in order to increase the chances of defeat, this is not an hellish Persian moped for you. So your calculation can be multiplied by two.

[Korax71]

And of course, both did not hit subsonic here are the hand-me-downs

[Al manah]

That is not, this is a piece of air conditioning, I say for sure.

[Hermit]

What's the difference where? Yours brought a case against the shot allied soldiers by your own warriors. And the Russians say they blew up SP2, and they themselves blew up the bridge, and even the Americans admitted that the tractor was a Ukrainian rocket, and the clown is all crucified - these are Russians, bomb them. And the Zaporizhzhya NPP is being bombed by Russians, even adequate people in foreign countries say - why should the Russians bombard themselves. Well, what difference does it make where these fragments come from.

[28st region]

Quote from Predometrix

This is what an explosion of a 20 kg warhead of an AMRAAM missile looks like when a four-story building is smashed to its entire length and height.

This is what a rocket hit looks like. The walls are not broken, the plaster is slightly scratched, glass is broken, light aluminum balcony frames are bent. There was no significant damage to the house. The explosion of a 155 mm projectile that fell 10 meters from the house will cause more damage.
Something like that.

[YOUR]

Yes, to whom are you proving, here at least give any examples, he will yell foaming at the mouth that the house cannot be restored.

[Pantsuy]

Quote from Predometrix

This is what an explosion of a 20 kg warhead of an AMRAAM missile looks like when a four-story building is smashed to its entire length and height.

But, on the other hand, if it were a "Caliber" with 450 kg. explosives, then this high-rise building would look a little different ... If it were found.

[hunter shooter]

Where - it is necessary to ask the air defense of the Ukrainians.

[cniza]

This is probably why the Servant of the People party is initiating amendments to the legislation, on the basis of which Ukrainian citizens face a prison term of up to 2 years for any publication about an object hit in Ukraine until the moment

Uh-huh, but this can't hide the truth...

[Lech from Android.]

Well clicked dill on their residential building ...

[28st region]

Take a closer look at the "destruction". Looks Oh yeah!!! But what is damaged? The walls are intact, the roof, judging by the canopies over the balconies on the top floor, is also intact, the glass in the frames has been blown out, light aluminum settings on the balconies and that's it. A lot of garbage. When restored, public utilities will call it all a light cosmetic repair. Consider the photo carefully.
Compare with the photo, for example, from Donetsk, where a 155 mm shell does not hit the building, it explodes 10-15 m from it, the damage is exactly the same.
In general, if this is our rocket, then the developers and those who adopted it must be brought to justice for the fact that crackers are being adopted.

[Roman_vh]

How many prosecutors are planters here. It seems that the spoons are in place, but the sediment left. And why this sketch? I am tormented by vague doubts.

[Lech from Android.]

Quote from Predometrix

How was it determined that this piece of metal was a fragment of a Nasamsa rocket, according to the four enemy letters?

There may be more than one such piece ... who in their right mind will collect and show a gallery of fragments on the Internet ... the Ukrainian Gestapo will immediately come up and immediately identify such a collector in the basements for interrogation of the first degree.

[Predometrix]

With the same success, I can take a photo with a piece of metal right now and say "this is a fragment of the Russian Caliber, believe me." Critical thinking is completely absent, it is simply killed. If there was a photo of this fragment against the background of the place of impact - ok, there are no questions. And so the fragment lies in the hand, so you have to believe. Look, when the Ukrainian commission was going to go to Poland, what did local commentators write? "Now they will bring their evidence there and lay it out beautifully around the funnel." Can't it be the same here?

Although to whom I am trying to prove something, to explain, the main thing is to shout cheers. No one is interested in knowing about Pantsir, who launched a missile at his own people, how the S-300 made 180 degrees and returned to the point of departure, these are not Ukrainians, you won’t be able to gloat there.

[Lech from Android.]

Quote from Predometrix

No one is interested in knowing about Pantsir, who launched a missile at his own people, how the S-300 made 180 degrees and returned to the point of departure, these are not Ukrainians, you won’t be able to gloat there.

Of course, it’s not interesting when a cippler gives out blunders on the forum and starts hanging noodles about jingoistic patriots.
Your critical thinking is more like a CIPSO manual.

[Labrador]

Not everywhere, you see, electricity is good ...

[Vladimir 290]

Yes, he alone is fighting for everyone here, the rest are apparently without electricity.

[seamen2]

* Look, when the Ukrainian commission was going to go to Poland, what did local commentators write? "Now they will bring their evidence there and lay it out beautifully around the funnel." Can't it be the same here?
At least you have something to eat. if it is the same here, then it turns out that your dearest Ukrainians have done this in Kyiv now.
Petrov and Bashirov are not there.

[sifgame]

And why should we gloat about the Pantsir and S-300, this is an excellent air defense? What do you want to achieve here? Ours are ours, and yours are enemies. You do not gloat over your own. He ran here trying to prove something how bad everything is with us, the rockets fly back to the starting point.

[former soldier]

Critical thinking is completely absent, it is simply killed. Whether there is a photo of this fragment against the background of the place of impact - ok, there are no questions. And so the fragment lies in the hand, so you have to believe.

Nevertheless, at the UN, Colin Powell shook a test tube with something white and assured that it was an Iraqi chemical weapon. Right now, it's customary to prove it.

[Korax71]

No, he said that such an amount of anthrax spores is enough for no one to leave this room alive. Now it is customary to believe in slag and not check the information in the primary sources. but the people hawala, which means that everything is more than satisfactory for him, he does not need the truth, but what he wants to believe in is needed.

[former soldier]

No, he said that such an amount of anthrax spores is enough for no one to leave this room alive. Now it is customary to believe in slag and not check the information in the primary sources. laughing

In fact, the real primary source is only an official paper registered as it should be in the archive with seals and signatures of the expert commission. Someone's writings on Wikipedia or even the direct speech of a figure posted on YouTube are not primary sources and can be fakes.

[Pantsuy]

Quote from Predometrix

With the same success, I can take a photo with a piece of metal right now and say "this is a fragment of the Russian Caliber, believe me." Critical thinking is completely absent, it is simply killed. If there was a photo of this fragment against the background of the place of impact - ok, there are no questions. And so the fragment lies in the hand, so you have to believe.

I suggest you conduct an experiment - ask the Armed Forces for one rocket, blow it up, find the fragments and then you will have a coveted piece of metal in your hands. Do you think it will work?

[Jelezyakov]

I aimed at a potbelly stove or air conditioning))

[Nord11]

Representatives of the SBU went to the Ukrainians demonstrating fragments of missiles of wide air defense officers to explain to them how wrong they were ..

[Al manah]

They already remembered that this piece was thrown to them by a drunken man in a padded jacket and a hat with earflaps with a red star, with a balalaika on his back and a bottle of "Legend of the Kremlin" in his hand, walking along Khreshchatyk under his paw with a drunken bear and singing "Moscow Evenings. When they left, it was heard how the bear muttered into the radio hanging on his shoulder: "Comrade Major, Lieutenant Toptygin reports, the task is completed!" and then: "I serve Russia!"

[opposite28]

It’s not for nothing that people say that they don’t look a gift horse in the mouth, but relaxed circles from Ukraine looked in, for which they were thanked ... with a hoof in a causal place

[Real Pilot]

Quote: Evil 55

No one will tell these cunning-faced ones that the air defense line is being formed in front of the city, and not in its center ..

And it depends on what and where to protect!
For example, the government quarter, now the headquarters of Quarter-95 ...

And for the rest of the city - this is according to Bandera's precepts: "Ukraine will be free or deserted."

[rocket757]

As a result, they “clicked” on one of the residential apartment buildings

. In that direction, just like everywhere else ... while in the parliament or somewhere else, no less remarkable place, the vaunted foreign air defense will not hit, they will puff and praise foreign systems, help.

[Real Pilot]

Quote: tralflot1832

Generals from NATO should think about it, the first war with the massive use of air defense systems on both sides leads to rosy thoughts.

At the same time, Russian air defense systems showed themselves perfectly!
How many planes and helicopters were shot down ... But the most important thing is Tochek-U and MLRS missiles. Well, drones. That is, protection against such unpleasant threats is good.

Even the old Buki and S-300 of the Armed Forces of Ukraine turned out to be a formidable weapon. They are still biting...

Once on VO, at the mention of our complexes, a song began that, they say, all S-300/400s have not been tested for real, they will turn out to be nonsense in a real battle, who needs them like that ...
Well, here is the result! Work great on the enemy.

[Sasha Veter]

Quote from: topol717

Quote from Predometrix

This is what an explosion of a 20 kg warhead of an AMRAAM missile looks like when a four-story building is smashed to its entire length and height.

And what should Khrushchev look like after the explosion of 20KG RDX ????
I remember what such a house looks like after a gas explosion, and most likely the gas there is not 20KG but 2-4.
Of course, I am not an expert on explosives, but I think hexogen will be more powerful than methane.

Please note that this is not Khrushchev. Khrushchevka - typical 5-storey houses built of slabs.
In this case, we see brickwork and 4 floors.
I would venture to suggest that this is "Stalin".
And Stalinka is famous for its strength, monumentality and durability.

[your1970]

Quote: Sasha Veter

Please note that this is not Khrushchev. Khrushchevka - typical 5-storey houses built of slabs.

not at all necessary - for example, Khrushchev houses were built from silicate bricks. Both under Khrushchev and under Brezhnev

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: your1970

for example, Khrushchev houses were built from silicate brick. Both under Khrushchev and under Brezhnev

They also built from red, but much less. A classmate lives in the same as in the photo, only a three-story building.

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Sasha Veter

Please note that this is not Khrushchev. Khrushchevka - typical 5-storey houses built of slabs.

Hello. Since childhood, he lived in a brick Khrushchev, but it turns out that such things do not happen. By the way, my great-aunt lived in Khrushchev, in the Sviblovo district, it was there that Shurik and Fedya carried the solution.

[Seamaster]

I broke some kind of zasra .... in the sense - a zradnik, all fluff to the SBU-shniks. While they were getting to the place of this house, carrying the wreckage of the Caliber in the trunk, this stupid person found a fragment of NAMAs. And showed. Nothing, they will take his fingerprints from the photo and find the bastard. And the SBU officers were late because they stood in line for water at the pump - to drink tea in the evening after interrogations in their dungeons.

[Petr_Koldunov]

Yes, if it mattered. But it doesn't :)
Podolyak and Kuleba will still say that they are Russians. The media will pick up ... and now the whole of Europe will be horrified to pass on to each other the bloody news about the defeat of the peaceful quarters of Kyiv by the ruthless Russians.

[Michael]

Very stale missiles in warehouses that have not undergone maintenance since the abolition of the Warsaw Pact. More effective than buckshot in the sky of all hunting double-barreled shotguns - the probability of hitting is greater.

[Keer]

In fact, it became interesting for Ukraine (its authorities) to strike with its air defense, at its own facilities, and at the facilities of Western countries, as soon as NATO meowed that, de, at least Ukrainians launch missiles, but Russia is still to blame.

[Horn]

So what? Parsley-chocolate (if you do not sniff) shook a piece of yellow tin with a scream; "I'm Volnovakha!", Now the one-finger pianist will shake another piece of iron. Even though they spit in their eyes, they will still say that God's dew. Mutants, what can I say...

[oleg-nekrasov-19]

Quote: Evil 55

No one will tell these cunning-faced ones that the air defense line is being formed in front of the city, and not in its center ..

they are regularly prompted by advisers from NATO, and experts from NATO countries are on duty at the NASAMS air defense systems, this is obvious to me.

[APASUS]

In terms of information, they tried to accuse Russia of hitting a civilian object, but the facts clearly indicate that the defeat was inflicted by an anti-aircraft missile of a foreign-made complex.

What are the facts? Now Arestovich will make a formidable speech and tell with a white eye how insidious Putin is and that he buys missiles from Iran, from Korea, China

[Nexcom]

Yes, Lucien will say right now that since we have all the missiles from Iran and North Korea, it’s not written in Russian on the consoles, and our calculations in Farsi and Korean don’t understand, so they kind of mess up - smear at home. The buttons are not pressed and in the wrong order. Yeah. Unless, of course, Lucy thinks of such a thing ....

[Sarcasm___]

The author apparently likes to wishful thinking!
The option that a missile from an air defense system shot down a missile launcher, and then they fell on a house, is naturally not possible