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Severodonetsk agglomeration in the zone of humanitarian catastrophe: how the north of the LPR lives

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Severodonetsk agglomeration in the zone of humanitarian catastrophe: how the north of the LPR lives

Despite the fact that more than 4 months have passed since the liberation of the northern part of the Luhansk region, and the Severodonetsk agglomeration in particular (Severodonetsk, Lysichansk, Rubizhne), the humanitarian situation there remains difficult. Both Severodonetsk and Lisichansk are still largely without water, gas, heating and partly electricity. The other day in Rubizhne, light appeared in apartment buildings, but the private sector, as before, remains without electricity. Many local residents have been living without communications since the spring, when active hostilities began in the north of the LPR.


About how the north of the Luhansk region lives, we will tell in this material.

Lack of heating is the most pressing problem


Despite regular statements by the head of the LPR, Leonid Pasechnik, and the chairman of the government of the republic, Sergei Kozlov, that “the situation in Severodonetsk, Lisichansk, Rubizhnoye and Kremennaya is under the control of the government”, which is “implementing the planned measures”, the situation has not changed significantly since the beginning of autumn , and residents of these cities do not particularly notice these "events".

Work on the restoration of housing and communal services is being carried out unacceptably slowly, issues are resolved for several weeks, banal replies are sent to complaints and requests from citizens that do not help them solve problems. Ordinary citizens cannot get through to Leonid Pasechnik at all - there is not even an email address where they can write to him.

And the situation in the Severodonetsk agglomeration, meanwhile, continues to be quite difficult. Local authorities do not help the population with building materials - for example, in apartment buildings in Severodonetsk on Sovetsky Prospekt there are houses with a badly damaged pitched roof, which the residents were unable to repair on their own. After the rains (and they are often in the Donbas now), the roof leaks and floods the already unheated premises, making them damp and even colder. Residents of Severodonetsk, Lisichansk and Rubizhne, who remained in these cities, are forced to buy building materials at their own expense.

Actually, the lack of heating is the most urgent problem at the moment, due to the fact that the cold season has come. For example, in Lisichansk they partially gave gas, but you can’t really heat the oven in an apartment / house. People are in dire need of potbelly stoves, and those who have electricity - in heaters.

In this regard, the author of this text, together with a group of caring people, organized a fundraiser for the manufacture of stoves for the inhabitants of Lisichansk, as was indicated in the material “The humanitarian situation in the liberated territories of the LPR, annexed to Russia, remains difficult. People need help».

This collection is completed, 38 rubles were collected. 000 potbelly stoves were made (photos are attached). Thanks to everyone who participated in the fundraising.





Now the stoves have already been taken to Lisichansk and will be distributed to the most needy residents.

“There is no point in restoring anything other than housing and communal services”


In a recent interview with RIANews» Head of the LPR L. Pasechnik saidthat, in addition to the repair work related to the restoration of communications, it is not advisable to restore anything else in the north of the LPR and in the Severodonetsk agglomeration, in particular.

“We are restoring exclusively housing and communal services, apartment buildings, the private sector in terms of supplying electricity there, providing people with electricity, water, gas, so that people can just live.
We consider it inexpedient to restore something else, to invest some rather serious money, because it can be destroyed overnight. So there is absolutely no point.
Yes, such a decision was made - not to restore roads, transport infrastructure. There is no point, since there is military equipment, and the point is that we will restore this road if it is instantly broken by caterpillar and heavy equipment? There is no meaning.
I think that the inhabitants of Kirovsk should also understand all this. There is a need for a little patience,

Pasechnik said.

Given that industrial enterprises have received very serious damage (for example, the Lisichansk Oil Refinery is almost completely destroyed), it is not a fact that they will be restored even after the end of hostilities. Moreover, the fate of the city of Popasnaya is still unknown, which, according to some estimates, is 96% destroyed.

In August, Pasechnik admitted that the city might not be rebuilt. If this is true, then Popasnaya, in which about 2022 thousand people lived before the start of the active phase of hostilities in February 19, will remain a ghost town.

However, the restoration of housing and communal services, as already mentioned above, is being carried out very slowly. Something is really being done, but against the background of the general situation, this is not enough.

Take, for example, the compensation that the authorities promised to all citizens whose place of residence was affected. In fact, payments are received only by those whose housing is completely destroyed, and even then, subject to the availability of all documents for the apartment. And for those whose papers, for example, have burned down, it will be very problematic to receive such compensation. If only the windows or the roof are damaged in the house / apartment, then such citizens are not entitled to compensation, and they must carry out repairs at their own expense.

The work of local authorities can be assessed as unsatisfactory


The work of local authorities in Lisichansk, Severodonetsk and Rubizhne can be generally assessed as unsatisfactory. Many things that they could do are not being done. For example, it would be possible to organize a free distribution of coal to the population, but instead it is sold. A ton of coal costs from 8 to 12 thousand rubles. Considering how these cities live now, this is a lot of money for local residents.

Sometimes local authorities deliver firewood to people who do not have gas, and therefore people are forced to cook on fires, but there is not enough firewood. Military personnel and volunteers are trying to help local residents, but the scale of the problems still exceeds the modest possibilities of citizens.

If we add here the regular shelling and “arrivals”, which intensified after the front line approached the Severodonetsk agglomeration, then the picture turns out to be rather gloomy.

However, the authorities of the LPR, instead of closely addressing these problems, limit themselves to loud statements that, they say, “people are ready to endure, because they are with Russia” (this was recently stated by the mayor of Lisichansk Andrei Skory) ...

The inhabitants of Severodonetsk, Lisichansk and Rubizhny are in for a very hard winter.
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  1. Hadji Murat
    Hadji Murat 27 November 2022 05: 21
    +2
    The front is nearby, you can see this is the main excuse of the authorities
    1. Lech from Android.
      Lech from Android. 27 November 2022 05: 32
      +5
      GDP with a creak, but finally admitted its mistake that the issue with the LDNR had to be resolved in 2014 ... objective reality forced ... now there would not be such a flow of blood from both sides.
      Well, the problems of Lisichansk and other cities are just the consequences of this fatal mistake.
      1. Tatar 174
        Tatar 174 27 November 2022 05: 39
        +7
        Quote: Hadji Murat
        The front is nearby, you can see this is the main excuse of the authorities
        Apparently this is not only an excuse, but rather an everyday reality and the danger of arrivals or something.
      2. dmi.pris1
        dmi.pris1 27 November 2022 07: 03
        +14
        I didn’t hear that he admitted it. He doesn’t admit mistakes at all, pushing them against the performers. But in fact, people should be taken away from there at least for the winter.
        1. EMMM
          EMMM 29 November 2022 19: 09
          +2
          But in fact, people should be taken away from there at least for the winter.

          And I took my mother to St. Petersburg.
        2. Krasnoyarsk
          Krasnoyarsk 3 December 2022 10: 33
          -1
          Quote: dmi.pris
          Didn't hear him admit it.

          If you haven't heard, it means you didn't listen well. It was so. At a meeting with mothers.
          1. dmi.pris1
            dmi.pris1 3 December 2022 11: 46
            -1
            Whose mothers? Particularly chosen? Dead soldiers? If the mothers of dead soldiers, then it’s still all right.
      3. alekseykabanets
        alekseykabanets 27 November 2022 07: 24
        +13
        Quote: Lech from Android.
        GDP with a creak, but finally admitted his mistake that the issue with the LDNR had to be resolved in 2014 ...

        Can you link to his "confession"? Somehow I have never seen that the GDP would admit its mistakes.
        1. Timur_kz
          Timur_kz 27 November 2022 23: 41
          +3
          It was at a meeting with the mothers of the dead fighters that Putin said that they were not sure of the pro-Russian nature of Donbas, therefore, they say, they tried to fulfill the Minsk agreements, and now it became clear to him that in the 14th year it was necessary to liberate Donbas ...
          1. bayard
            bayard 28 November 2022 03: 46
            +5
            Quote: Timur_kz
            Putin said that they were not sure about the pro-Russian nature of Donbas, therefore, they say, they tried to fulfill the Minsk agreements, and now it became clear to him that in the 14th year it was necessary to liberate Donbas...

            They knew everything there, but they just DID NOT WANT TO KNOW.
            And they didn’t want to use Yanukovych as a legitimate president who asked for help - “what about Crimea then?” . So they tried to shove the Donbass back into / on ... they really tried.
            And the Kremlin salesmen were very surprised: "Why did you start fighting? We agreed on everything with Kyiv." Both in 2015 and in 2016 they were "surprised". And then, crookedly and as much as possible, they began to issue Russian passports ... because many of the documents in the war were lost, expired, and the youth grew up and she also needed documents ... But what a hassle with this ... although more often from -behind the local bureaucracy.
            But really, he admitted mistakes ... reluctantly, justifying himself ... by agreements with the Nazis.
            Therefore, the culprits of such failures of this SVO are still on the ground to this day ... and where can they be. There is neither firmness, nor clarity of goals and objectives, nor clarity of the main Idea ... Well, they banned Ideology from the towers. And without an idea, how can a blind man fight.
            But here is a monument to Fidel, if this is a sign, it gives some hope for the possibility of a correct turn. Which will unite and motivate the People, and attract allies, and show enemies in the country and in power.
          2. alekseykabanets
            alekseykabanets 28 November 2022 07: 29
            +6
            Thanks, I found it yesterday. But
            Quote: Timur_kz
            This is at a meeting with the mothers of the dead soldiers

            At a meeting with officials who portrayed the mothers of the dead fighters, the mothers were not allowed in and their group on VK was blocked.
            Quote: Timur_kz
            Putin said that they were not sure about the pro-Russian nature of Donbass, ...

            He lied, as usual, before the meeting between Putin and Burkhalter they were sure of everything, and then they became unsure. As they kept them on a short leash, they keep them. They betrayed both the Donbass and the Russian world. People who have honor shoot after such a "recognition".
            1. Akuzenka
              Akuzenka 28 November 2022 09: 52
              +4
              People who have honor shoot after such a "recognition".
              Capitalist and honor are such incompatible concepts that you can’t even call them antonyms.
              1. alekseykabanets
                alekseykabanets 28 November 2022 11: 05
                +3
                Quote: AKuzenka
                Capitalist and honor are such incompatible concepts that you can’t even call them antonyms.

                I agree with you! But what an upsurge of patriotism they have on TV! How they care about the Motherland, no matter how damned this reservation is, all the Nazis would have been personally torn apart.))))
            2. Timur_kz
              Timur_kz 29 November 2022 00: 08
              +4
              Putin did not betray the Russian world - he destroyed it. He has no ideas, only geopolitics on his mind. He is not even a politician, rather an apparatchik.
              1. alekseykabanets
                alekseykabanets 29 November 2022 07: 23
                +4
                Quote: Timur_kz
                Putin did not betray the Russian world - he destroyed it. He has no ideas, only geopolitics on his mind. He is not even a politician, rather an apparatchik.

                What is geopolitics? The interests of his friends are on his mind, the Rotenbergs, Abramovichs and other similar characters.
    2. Uncle lee
      Uncle lee 27 November 2022 05: 36
      +3
      Quote: Hadji Murat
      the main excuse of the authorities

      They, the authorities, always have excuses!
    3. Asad
      Asad 27 November 2022 05: 37
      +16
      Is it possible to evacuate the population in any way? It is quite possible that as the soil freezes, the kraina will go on the offensive. Certificates for housing are handed out, but where are these apartments? For so many years it was possible to build a housing stock for refugees. And with stoves, in general, some kind of trash, how long does it take to make this miracle of engineering? And by the way, did the cast-iron potbelly stoves from the state reserve also evaporate? On Avito it is completely sold.
      1. Krasnoyarsk
        Krasnoyarsk 3 December 2022 10: 40
        0
        Quote: ASAD
        And with stoves, in general, some kind of trash, how long does it take to make this miracle of engineering?

        I made it from a gas cylinder in an hour. Cast iron, of course, is better, but for lack of a cook ....
      2. Eule
        Eule 3 December 2022 18: 53
        -1
        The ovens made me very sad.
        Where is the air supply to the furnace from the street? But without it, the stove takes warm air for combustion from the room, and instead of it, cold air is sucked in from the street through the cracks in the walls. This is a serious disadvantage of such furnaces.
        They would make at least some kind of seal along the edges of the ash pan and furnace doors, and an air duct from the bottom-side, to connect any pipe, leading it to the street or underground. The difference in firewood consumption is very significant, but firewood must be bought or prepared and brought into the house.
        The Grzhimailo bell-type furnace is not much more difficult, but the heat transfer is higher. Or an American rocket stove. (I specifically write in Latin, for the convenience of readers from the LDNR to find information about it). It is clear that it is not American, but rather ancient Korean, but the sources are in English and this name is easier to look for.
        We have a fireplace with a glass door and an air supply built in by me from the street - the consumption of firewood is much less than just a stove with friends with a cottage of comparable volume. In 2012, they argued with a friend, and at minus 15 they turned off the heating for a short time, flooded the stoves and counted the consumption of firewood (the unit of measurement was 20l buckets in which firewood was carried) in order to heat for 12 hours. In general, the difference is two times, the experiment was stopped, as everything became clear, although it was originally planned to conduct it for 24 hours with the boiler turned off.
    4. Marine engineer
      Marine engineer 27 November 2022 08: 58
      +3
      "The front is near, .."

      Consequences of drape (regrouping) from the Kharkov region.
  2. your vsr 66-67
    your vsr 66-67 27 November 2022 06: 01
    +11
    limited to loud statements


    Nothing new! As elsewhere in Russia! Officials are used to making loud statements while doing nothing but lining their own pockets! I won’t be surprised if it later turns out that huge sums were written off, allegedly aimed at restoring what was destroyed in the LPR!
  3. Sergey Averchenkov
    Sergey Averchenkov 27 November 2022 06: 13
    -11
    I now have -47 overboard. It turns out that I have lived all my life in a zone of humanitarian catastrophe. So what? You need to think about firewood in the summer, while thinking for yourself, and not relying on the authorities. pampered?
    1. Egoza
      Egoza 27 November 2022 06: 54
      +6
      Quote: Sergey Averchenkov
      You need to think about firewood in the summer, while thinking for yourself, and not relying on the authorities.

      You still need to have firewood, where to get it (1) And not everyone in the private sector has stoves. (2))
      1. Al manah
        Al manah 27 November 2022 08: 43
        +3
        Why don’t I change the old Soviet gas-coal boiler for a glamorous Chinese (with a Russian nameplate) gas boiler in the private sector? Because - the stock ... and further in the text (c). And the reliability is unmatched. Yes, and firewood with coal has been lying in the barn for decades. Yes, the gas consumption on the old one is more than on the new one, which I wanted to buy. But the high price of a new one and the low trouble-free service life offset this advantage. And the presence of freedom of maneuver and the safety of one's nerves is a great thing.
        1. your vsr 66-67
          your vsr 66-67 27 November 2022 19: 15
          +5
          Quote: Al Manah
          Why don’t I change the old Soviet gas-coal boiler for a glamorous Chinese (with a Russian nameplate) gas boiler in the private sector? Because - the stock ... and further in the text (c). And the reliability is unmatched. Yes, and firewood with coal has been lying in the barn for decades. Yes, the gas consumption on the old one is more than on the new one, which I wanted to buy. But the high price of a new one and the low trouble-free service life offset this advantage. And the presence of freedom of maneuver and the safety of one's nerves is a great thing.

          Soviet means excellent! Believe it or not, my family already has a relic. This is an electric iron with a thermostat, released in 1969 by the Novocherkassk Electric Locomotive Plant. The famous NEVZ! It still works without a single repair! We can say that this was the first joint purchase of our then young family! good
          1. Al manah
            Al manah 27 November 2022 21: 43
            +3
            Yes, the reliability of that technique is sometimes almost fantastic. As my brother said: "The Japanese put as much iron in tape recorders as they need, and we - as much as possible!" good
          2. Krasnoyarsk
            Krasnoyarsk 3 December 2022 10: 47
            0
            Quote: your vsr 66-67
            This is an electric iron with a thermostat, released in 1969 by Novocherkassk

            Believe it or not, but I still have (!!!) a washing machine "Ural" born in 1964 in my country house!
        2. Eule
          Eule 3 December 2022 18: 57
          -1
          In a private house, a fireplace or stove is a necessary heating reserve in case of any problem - with gas or light, without electricity, a gas boiler does not work. My wife and I had phones of different operators, so that in the event of an accident with one of them, we would not be left without communication. Rural life is somehow more reliable than city life.
          1. Al manah
            Al manah 4 December 2022 13: 25
            0
            The Soviet gas boiler works without electricity. True, there is no accuracy in setting the temperature, but it is reliable.
      2. aglet
        aglet 27 November 2022 18: 50
        +4
        "And not everyone in the private sector has stoves."
        and in high-rise buildings there are none at all, and never have been. and it's pretty hard to get them there. but 8 stoves per city is, of course, cool. if these were Russian cities, then the Ministry of Emergency Situations would already be fussing, and people would be taken to resorts, people are not lucky to live in Ukraine.
    2. dmi.pris1
      dmi.pris1 27 November 2022 07: 07
      +11
      Is there a war going on outside your window? Is your gas turned off and the boiler or water heater is not working? There is nothing to say about apartment buildings - they are completely unsuitable for the option of lack of central heating
      1. Sergey Averchenkov
        Sergey Averchenkov 27 November 2022 07: 24
        -10
        War at -50 is a thankless task. There can be no war in such weather - the equipment does not stand up, the frames of the trucks burst .. I have no gas. We don't have apartment buildings. I say pampered - they became too dependent on the benefits of civilization and on power.
        1. dmi.pris1
          dmi.pris1 27 November 2022 07: 39
          +14
          What does "coddled" mean? They live and worked in an industrial agglomeration. In apartment buildings. Having lived for decades in a nine-story building, could you quickly provide yourself with heat? I don’t even mention the rest
          1. Sergey Averchenkov
            Sergey Averchenkov 27 November 2022 08: 37
            -8
            This means that they cannot provide themselves with conditions for life. Could. But it’s me who has lived all my life in my house, but they don’t. Come on... I feel sorry for them.
            1. Nevsky_ZU
              Nevsky_ZU 27 November 2022 09: 04
              +11
              Quote: Sergey Averchenkov
              This means that they cannot provide themselves with conditions for life. Could. But it’s me who has lived all my life in my house, but they don’t. Come on... I feel sorry for them.

              Why such pathos? You live in Siberia, conditionally in the regional center and villages, and consider weaklings those who simply live in a different climatic zone, which allows you to build less energy-intensive production, develop agriculture and populate the territory more massively. There is no war in -50, you are right. But if the territory of a country falls, for which frost even -25 is already an anomaly, then Americans will personally come to your home, even in January, and even in Oymyakon at -75. They will have modern thermal underwear and other achievements of science in the fight against cold, which will allow them to finish off islands of resistance of the fallen Russian Civilization beyond the Arctic Circle with small forces. Of course, before you die, you may have time to extinguish a couple of blacks and Latinos in warm overalls made in Canada and Alaska, but the end result will not be in your favor. After all, entire megacities and cities of "weaklings" have already fallen, just because the climate has changed and the main survival instinct of a Russian person has disappeared: "winter is coming."
              In Novosibirsk, where I live, today at 7 am it was only -32 degrees below zero. Not enough, by old Siberian standards, an old-timer. Winter came to our region a month later. The snow cover is weak, and frosts began only from November 17!! Unthinkable for the capital of Siberia.
              So your definition of "weakling" can easily come to you in 5-10 years, when in your area it will be at the same time of the year, not -47, but only -30.
              And there, look, and the habits will become liberal. This law and correlation cannot be stopped.
              1. Sergey Averchenkov
                Sergey Averchenkov 27 November 2022 10: 14
                -8
                What the hell is pathos? I'm just bored - the stove is heating, clicking, the day off. We cannot have villages (settlements), because the village implies something agricultural? And we planted a couple of sacks of potatoes - dug out half a sack (permafrost). The Americans will not come to me, what are they to do here? The population density is something around 0,7 people per 100 km2. And if they do come, then they will stay here - in each yard there are 3-4 trunks and ammonite at least eat booty. Actually, you are right about the end result, but I still hope for three blacks. And I didn’t call anyone weaklings (that’s your word), but people who live in a certain climatic zone must correspond to this zone. I am mine, they are theirs. And it turns out they do not match. Why? And assumed that they are pampered.
                I didn’t understand at the expense of liberal habits, do they depend on the weather?
                1. Nevsky_ZU
                  Nevsky_ZU 27 November 2022 11: 17
                  +4
                  The population density is something around 0,7 people per 100 km2. And if they do come, then they will stay here - in each yard there are 3-4 trunks and ammonite at least eat booty.

                  If a country that lives in a milder climate zone falls, and most of the population lives there, then it doesn’t matter the density of the population of your area and the presence of trunks in the yards.
                  Actually, you are right about the end result, but I still hope for three blacks. And I didn’t call anyone weaklings (that’s your word), but people who live in a certain climatic zone must correspond to this zone. I am mine, they are theirs. And it turns out they do not match. Why?

                  Because, if you use an artistic allegory, then you are riding in the very last car of the train. Tobish, you live in the most extreme and harsh climate zone. I'm sure you're noticing that even in your region, winter changes gradually in favor of warmer weather or a shorter cold spell.
                  I have relatives on my father's side, all from Western Siberia, Novosibirsk. By mother: Novorossiya (Southern Ukraine).
                  I lived there for 25 years, in Berdyansk, here for almost 10 years, and before that I came here to visit my grandmother. A complete view of the climate in these two climate zones. Once in Berdyansk, in winter, the temperature of -20 was a typical phenomenon for the month of January. There were years, even when it was -29. I personally remember how, after 1-3 winters, the Sea of ​​\u1b\u2bAzov was sure to freeze, and there was talk that an old diesel icebreaker began to sail from Mariupol to the Kerch Strait, breaking through the fairway. Snow in January lay clearly on the ground. Not symbolically: 1-2003 nights and 2007 day for people to take pictures. Naturally, in private houses there are stoves, the same sheds of coal, and thanks to the communists, even gas boilers. Starting somewhere in 8 and especially since 4, which is not winter there, then + 90 during the day, and -XNUMX at night, and this is in January !! First, children's sledges disappeared, then skis and skates, fur coat shops. The men begin to brag to each other that they have been driving all winter on summer tires, and nothing! Then there were less and less publications in local city newspapers: "Attention! Preparing for the heating season. How it goes, says the deputy mayor for housing and communal services." And a photo of this deputy mayor in the newspaper, like a man from the war that went through Crimea and Rym. So it was in the late XNUMXs, I was an inquisitive teenager.
                  Then, as I said, warm winters came one after another, and not temporarily, but on a stream. It turns out that you can even live in a summer guest house-room in the resort Berdyansk, if you have, for example, a couple of oil heaters and a heat blower. There are fewer and fewer heaters on the market. And in the villages they began to order less coal, but more firewood. As if it will not be winter, but a deep protracted autumn. And so, I am a boy who grew up in the early 90s on the streets of Berdyansk, where we built winter caves and passages, ice slides. Where do I remember clearly how a classmate's birthday on November 11, either 95 or 96, snow falls and does not melt !! Lies!!!
                  And now, I live like 10 years in Novosibirsk, November 11, 2022 comes, and in the capital of Western Siberia, on that day it was raining and +3 !! It turns out that my southern Berdyansk of 1995 is colder than Novosibirsk of 2022 in November? And this is not the first winter in Novosibirsk, when the snow began to stick to the ground only in November, but the first, when it fell only on November 17!! When I arrived here, it fell severely in October and did not hide. I'm already silent about the fact that there was no Colorado potato beetle in the 90s. Well, that's what the locals of Novosibirsk tell me.
                  And what are these memories of mine? And to the fact that when every year, winter is getting warmer, and you are immersed in everyday routine, you yourself do not notice that, like that frog on a slow fire, you become mentally southerner, which has its own type of economic relations with winter.
                  In general, I am of the opinion that if it were not for this warming, but for the climate at least remained at the level of the 90s, then there would be no war in Ukraine today, and no Maidans. Since with the advent of warm winters, people began to come to power in Ukraine, not only far from the fuel and energy complex of the country, but also not afraid that entire cities and megacities could be left without heat in January, when it was -25 outside the window and on week, and where then it only "warms up" to -10 below zero, and only at the end of February does the cherished +5 during the day and -5 at night begin. When you can put a hot bottle under the covers, fall asleep in a sweater, and throw a couple of firewood into the stove or get by with a heater, and fall asleep with the thought: "Putin and his army, they didn't break me!". In other words, with warming, it became possible to put in the President's chair, even a clown and a drug addict, anyway, in winter, millions will not freeze, somehow survive a couple of days in January, when even during the day it will be -8, and then all winter during the day +3 and even +5.
                  The same applies to some regions of the Russian Federation, where, over time, they will consider it necessary to put a girl in a blouse and with a manicure, and not a person who has gone all the way from a boiler room with fuel oil and can throw a gas wrench at subordinates in a chair for housing and communal services.
                  1. Sergey Averchenkov
                    Sergey Averchenkov 28 November 2022 00: 58
                    +1
                    Of course, if the regions with the bulk of the population fall, then the country will fall.
                    How did you famously put me in the last carriage, maybe the first? :)
                    Yes, there is warming, maybe not as pronounced as in the southern regions, but there is - you are right. If in the 70s the lowest temperature was 64, now it is somewhere around 57, but as you should understand for a person, this is not a significant difference.
                    Understood you. People used to get by with a heater, and then the war and the electricity were turned off. So? But forgive me, electricity sometimes goes out in civilian life. And what now, to freeze or something? There should be some kind of stove in the house and there should also be a supply of firewood. How else, how will you heat the bathhouse? Okay, not pampered, but relaxed.
                    At the expense of the climate and the political situation, my opinion is somewhat similar to yours. The warmer the climate a people lives, the more nonsense gets into his head. And all because domestic problems take little time, so they arrange all sorts of Maidans, etc. I would look at the Maidan people here in Siberia - they wouldn’t stand for a day, everyone would freeze to death.
                    1. Eule
                      Eule 3 December 2022 19: 02
                      -1
                      electricity and in civilian life is turned off.

                      More than five cases in 10 years, I count only in winter and more than an hour. Shchelkovo, Moscow region. My wife and I had a dispute after the wedding - what to buy, a generator or a fireplace to build? In 2010, the money was comparable, the generator would provide current for a gas boiler and a computer, and a fireplace would only provide heating.
                      But in the end they built a fireplace - it is absolutely reliable as a means of heating - a pipe on stretch marks from welding stainless steel, the pipe is also thick stainless steel. You can flood the fireplace in any state of fatigue or injury, and so on.
                2. User_neydobniu
                  User_neydobniu 28 November 2022 06: 10
                  -1
                  What the hell is pathos? I'm just bored
                  The Americans will not come to me, what are they to do here?

                  They won’t come so they will hit them with chemical and biological ones. And you, dear friend, will lie like a mummy in your hut, which is on the edge. Found problems
                  1. Sergey Averchenkov
                    Sergey Averchenkov 29 November 2022 12: 39
                    +1
                    Hata is Ukrainian, but I have a house. And where did you get that from the edge? I have a son in the Donbass, my nephew was called up during the mobilization. Who do you have? If you want to know, I am more radical than most of those present - for me the war with the end of the NWO will not end, I will crush the hell while I live.
              2. Ilgizl
                Ilgizl 27 November 2022 17: 31
                +3
                it is useless for this donkey to prove something, for example, that compared to the current wild tribes of Africa, etc. for example, he is a modern person who will die during his lifetime in THEIR conditions. Well, and then, for example, that you and others are burrowing, for example, in the Arctic, and Siberia with subsoil has long been trying to conquer with their trips to the east.
            2. dmi.pris1
              dmi.pris1 27 November 2022 12: 07
              +2
              They wouldn’t be able to. Yes, in principle, why explain to a person who is completely far from this tragedy
              1. Sergey Averchenkov
                Sergey Averchenkov 27 November 2022 14: 59
                -4
                You don't have to make everyone equal. :) You just need to get your hands out of your ass and at least do something, otherwise it will really be cold. And this... if near zero is a tragedy, then I'm really far from understanding this situation.
                1. Mikhail Sidorov
                  Mikhail Sidorov 27 November 2022 16: 51
                  0
                  You just need to get your hands out of your ass and at least do something otherwise it will really be cold. And this... if near zero is a tragedy, then I'm really far from understanding this situation.

                  You reminded me. Recently I saw a video of people mobilized from Serpukhov. They are somewhere in the LPR. They complained that they were placed in an unheated house, that they got wet and needed to be urgently taken to the Moscow region, etc. And the fact that people live without water, light and heat, under shelling for several months somehow did not surprise them. And you say civil pampered, but then what can you say about these.
                2. Baer
                  Baer 2 December 2022 11: 35
                  +2
                  Yes Sergey! You are so far from understanding the real situation that it is useless to explain it to you.
                  These years of war have sucked up all our reserves, all our “stash”, all our savings. We STUPIDLY DO NOT have the money to buy the right tools, materials for repairs, and so on. Nothing to say about food.
                  And for some reason you are sitting on a couch in a peaceful heated house and giving out stupid instructions to whom what and how to do, boasting of your "superness".
                  Come to Severodonetsk and show by your own example HOW and WHAT you need to do and HOW you need to help people in need. Become a role model and role model for everyone. And then you are being clever like a 3rd grader boy - "I have a big and strong brother, he will beat you all" Not good.
  4. Nikolay Malyugin
    Nikolay Malyugin 27 November 2022 06: 49
    +6
    Yesterday I heard a sore mouth - "We have money like dirt." An interesting measure that determines the amount of money. Let this money go to the Donbass so that people do not suffer.
  5. steelmaker
    steelmaker 27 November 2022 09: 08
    +5
    Perplexity of adults for children execution. So the bewilderment of politicians is death for the people.
    “Of course, in hindsight, we are all smart. We proceeded from the fact that it might be possible to reach an agreement, and Lugansk and Donetsk, within the framework of the Minsk agreements, would be able to somehow reunite with Ukraine. We were sincerely moving towards this. But we didn’t fully feel the mood people, until the end it was impossible to understand what was happening there.

    But now it has become obvious that this reunion should have happened sooner. Maybe there would not have been so many losses - and among civilians, there would not have been so many dead children under shelling,” the head of state said.
    This was stated by Russian President Vladimir Putin at a meeting with the mothers of servicemen, the correspondent of PolitNavigator reports.
    I constantly draw attention to the lack of education of the authorities. Cooks and taxi drivers did not say, but shouted that 2014 could not be limited to Crimea.
    "However, the authorities of the LPR, instead of closely addressing these problems, limit themselves to loud statements that, they say, "people are ready to endure, because they are with Russia" (this was recently stated by the mayor of Lisichansk Andrey Skory)..."
    Until Putin begins to punish people who make mistakes, this mess in the country will continue for a long time. But any patience comes to an end! Does Putin understand this?
    1. skeptick2
      skeptick2 27 November 2022 14: 19
      +2
      Quote: steel maker
      Until Putin begins to punish people who make mistakes, this mess in the country will continue for a long time.

      From your words, it can be understood that in Russia decisions on problems far from the regional level, but rather the level of the political, economic and military, were taken by some people bypassing Putin?
      And he, poor Putin, knew nothing about these decisions? And doesn't know? And therefore does not punish these people? Who are these powerful people who decided the fate of the LDNR without the knowledge of Putin? Or did they not decide? And someone else? Who should be held accountable for mistakes?
    2. aglet
      aglet 27 November 2022 19: 08
      +4
      "Until Putin starts punishing people who make mistakes, this mess in the country will continue for a long time"
      I wonder how he will punish himself? after all, he makes all decisions of this level, and not Matvienko, for example, or Shoigu. vertical of power, panimaish
    3. Baer
      Baer 2 December 2022 10: 53
      0
      Dear! You are truly amazing with your ignorance. Do you really think that if "tomorrow Putin starts punishing the guilty", then EVERYTHING will be instantly corrected?
      "So big, but he believes in fairy tales" (C) an anecdote about Baba Yaga
  6. Nevsky_ZU
    Nevsky_ZU 27 November 2022 09: 16
    +1
    Big cities, they say yes! (remembered for some reason)
    So, even if we take out of brackets that the front is nearby, the fate of these many genera standing in the Donbass steppe is, alas, sad. Unless, of course, the socio-economic structure changes.
    Mariupol is a city near the sea, it is a big city, it is an image city. Well, of course, there is no front line nearby.
    As for me, it is better to give people local housing certificates and send everyone to deep Russia for permanent residence. But Kherson is a priority, since it is a regional center, which we were forced to leave, I hope temporarily. And this is the image again.
    Maybe I'm wrong, and not see the situation from the couch. what
    But so far, such thoughts arise fluently.
    1. Boris55
      Boris55 27 November 2022 09: 57
      0
      Quote: Nevsky_ZU
      As for me, it’s better to give people local housing certificates and send everyone to deep Russia for permanent residence

      Well, you are just like Zelensky: ~ "Russians, if you like Russia so much, then go there."
      Suitcase, railway station, Russia...

      Everyone who wants to be evacuated from the front line, but not everyone wants to.
      1. Asad
        Asad 27 November 2022 10: 06
        +2
        I wonder why they don't? In winter without light, heat and water, masochists? Or is it not so good in evacuation? Here you are, as an old-timer of VO and an ideological member of the United Russia, explain to the members of the forum.
        1. Nevsky_ZU
          Nevsky_ZU 27 November 2022 12: 05
          +3
          Quote: ASAD
          I wonder why they don't? In winter without light, heat and water, masochists? Or is it not so good in evacuation? Here you are, as an old-timer of VO and an ideological member of the United Russia, explain to the members of the forum.

          I am shocked at how Boris55 replayed my words and compared me with Zelensky!!! With such success, the Russian Emergencies Ministry, and all volunteer organizations from United Russia to the ONF, can be called conductors of Zelensky's policy. What is wrong with evacuating from these ruined small towns of Donbass, which played an important role in the socio-economic formation of the Soviet era, were depressive during the years of independence, and are now killed due to hostilities with the Zelensky regime? Don't we really need working hands in Kemerovo and the Far East? If the war suddenly stops tomorrow and restoration begins, then Boris55's logic will be clear, but for now the prospects are foggy, and people need to be saved.
          1. Ingvar 72
            Ingvar 72 30 November 2022 07: 44
            0
            Quote: Nevsky_ZU
            I am shocked at how Boris55 replayed my words and compared me with Zelensky!!!

            Are you not used to it yet? Boris is like that, everyone here sings NOD songs about bad boyars and a good tsar. Work looks like this. hi
        2. Baer
          Baer 2 December 2022 11: 09
          +1
          Do you mind if a resident of Lugansk explains to you?
          That’s why I didn’t leave in 2014, because later, after wandering around Russian hostels with drunks looking for “where to find and drink more,” I would return to the ruins of the house, from where “good people pulled out everything that fit on trucks.
          Don't believe? So read the beginning of LiveJournal Murza, where he writes that it is better to fight in the city, and to use any phones that come across for communication - in offices, at home and anywhere. For some reason, he modestly kept silent about my answer in LiveJournal.
          But this is pure looting covered up by "necessity.
          And here you are talking like a book character from the Marvel Universe. This, my friend, is real life, not reading a book about fictional characters.
          And now the same Murz is writing devastating articles about the provision of the RF Armed Forces. And why? Think for yourself. And don't tell me that Murz came purely at the "call of the heart", yes - I will support him in difficult times because closer (on the map) than any of you (on the sofa, office chair, with beer + balychok and vodka in the freezer etc.). Yes, he is one of the best, but do not make God out of him. He is one of the workers of the war. Dot.
      2. Nevsky_ZU
        Nevsky_ZU 27 November 2022 11: 56
        +1
        Quote: Boris55
        Quote: Nevsky_ZU
        As for me, it’s better to give people local housing certificates and send everyone to deep Russia for permanent residence

        Well, you are just like Zelensky: ~ "Russians, if you like Russia so much, then go there."
        Suitcase, railway station, Russia...

        Everyone who wants to be evacuated from the front line, but not everyone wants to.

        What state do you need to be in for you to find my proposal similar to Zelensky?
        According to your strange logic, evacuation from the destroyed monocities of Donbass, on the eve of winter and the proximity of the front line, as well as with the presence of dwellings. certificates on hand - is this a copy-paste of Zelensky's policy? You, this is the volunteers of United Russia, then tell us that they meet the inhabitants of Kherson at all collection points, from the entrance to the Crimea to the final point in the Russian Federation. So tell them to their faces that they are implementing Zelensky's policy. yes
        1. Boris55
          Boris55 28 November 2022 09: 02
          +1
          Everyone who wants to be evacuated from the front line, but not everyone wants to.
          You propose the forcible resettlement of people and give a reason to the fifth column to get excited. Everyone who wants to move to the depths of Russia is provided with all kinds of assistance. hi
          1. Baer
            Baer 2 December 2022 11: 11
            0
            If you lived in the LDNR, you would not be so naive about "it turns out"
            1. Boris55
              Boris55 2 December 2022 11: 19
              -1
              Quote: Baer
              about "turns out"

              It turns out all kinds those. everything we can.
  7. iouris
    iouris 27 November 2022 13: 11
    +1
    Yeah. This is a real disaster. No message, no connection, robbery. But old people would rather freeze in their house than go to nursing homes...
  8. cpls22
    cpls22 27 November 2022 21: 19
    -2
    It is easier to warm everyone in a tent camp, this is understandable.
    Those who remained in inhuman conditions, but at home, are difficult to take into account.
    Rebuilding houses is no easy task.
    Here are those who trade in coal - you need to take a closer look.
    They themselves dig it, or sit on a pile.
    1. Baer
      Baer 2 December 2022 11: 14
      0
      Certificate from the place (LNR) - miners are called upon, like the rest, to dig by SOMEONE and no where.
  9. Maks1995
    Maks1995 27 November 2022 22: 23
    +3
    And around the article, how bad it is in Ukraine ....

    Ldnr have been begging for 8 years in essence (they wrote here), now they are recognized, joined and .... total - 8 bourgeois women? for the people's 38 thousand?

    There are a bunch of quotes about this situation, but I'm afraid they won't understand ...
  10. Anen
    Anen 27 November 2022 23: 54
    +1
    And how many more such cities will there be, whose inhabitants will die of cold and hunger this winter - Bakhmut? Kramatorsk? Constach? Slavyansk? Yes, take the same Mariupol - 10 five-story buildings for a half-million city - will it solve the problems of residents? This winter, more civilians will certainly die from the cold, lack of medical care, lack of normal nutrition than from "8 years of Donbas bombing."