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Ukrainian publics tell how the inhabitants of Kherson betray their neighbors - "supporters of Russia"

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Ukrainian publics tell how the inhabitants of Kherson betray their neighbors - "supporters of Russia"

After the evacuation of civilians and the withdrawal of Russian troops from the right bank of the Dnieper, according to some sources, about 40-50 thousand people remained in Kherson and other settlements of the region. Some, until the last, believed that the city would not be surrendered, others remained, fearing for the safety of housing and property. There are also so-called “waiters” – Ukrainians loyal to the Kyiv regime and hating Russia. It was they who were the gunners for the Armed Forces of Ukraine while the Russian garrison was stationed in the city, and after the departure of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation they welcomed the “liberators” with open arms.


And immediately from the right bank, despite the strict curfew, checkpoints and other usual measures that the Armed Forces of Ukraine and the SBU take every time they take possession of the settlement after leaving it by Russian troops, reports began to come in of purges and filtration. The Ukrainian security forces began to search for "traitors and collaborators."

Active assistance in identifying sympathizers of the Russian Federation, seen in cooperation with the Russian authorities and, which is not excluded, simply objectionable neighbors for one reason or another, is provided by those same “waiters”. Messages and even video frames began to appear in Ukrainian public pages about how, at the suggestion of pro-Ukrainian citizens, the “supporters of the Russian world” are being filtered. One of these messages is published by the Ukrainian telegram channel of the Strana publication.

Most often this happens in the villages and suburbs of Kherson. Conscious citizens, and in other words - informers - give a tip to the Ukrainian security forces on the houses of their neighbors, with whom they may have lived peacefully side by side for several years. People are taken out at gunpoint, while a crowd of onlookers gathers around, some of whom, apparently, willingly and actively rejoice at the arrests. Phones are confiscated from the detained suspects of sympathy for the Russians and express interrogations are carried out right there, on the street.

It is obvious that the SBU officers do not need any special evidence. The further fate of these people is unlikely to be successful.

According to some reports, immediately after returning to the city, Ukrainian security forces shot 39 pro-Russian activists in Kherson, and another 74 people were taken to an unknown destination.

A “base of traitors” is being created, and here the security forces again rely on the help of the pro-Ukrainian activists who remained in the city. You can get into the SBU base for anything - a Russian surname, a received humanitarian aid, or simply the continuation of work in your original place. In fact, ethnic cleansing is going on in the city and other settlements on the right bank: first Russians are under suspicion and arrests, regardless of the presence of evidence, and only then they begin to filter citizens of Ukrainian nationality.

The property of the arrested goes to the needs of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and other Ukrainian structures, or is openly appropriated by those very “vigilant neighbors”. Similarly, local patriots, Ukrainian military and security forces act with housing and everything that is there, evacuated people.

An interesting point. Kherson region is part of the Russian Federation, respectively, the territory of the region occupied by the Ukrainian military is considered occupied. Local residents collaborating with the occupiers, according to Russian law, are considered traitors and subject to criminal prosecution. Moreover, because of their actions, citizens of Russia are being tortured and killed.
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  1. laws70
    laws70 22 November 2022 17: 59
    +24
    Hand over your neighbor is a national Ukrainian tradition. To whom it doesn't matter.
    1. PN
      PN 22 November 2022 18: 10
      +8
      As they say, get acquainted, our new neighbors.
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      2. Askold65
        Askold65 22 November 2022 18: 20
        +9
        Slowly but getting there

        Another opinion expressed much later than the article Two years later - better than never https://dzen.ru/media/acsior/dva-goda...
        and others on a similar topic

        What Ukrainians spent the past 8 years on, when Ukrainian society was mobilized, and what Russians need to understand today, explains journalist Kostylev, founder of the Readovka media holding.

        I have been reading patriotic telegrams all evening, since there is a calm on the fronts today, you can ask questions that are more distant from current affairs. For example, ideologies. Here and there again I meet posts that I have repeatedly seen over the past months - that Ukrainians need to understand that they have been making an anti-Russia project since 14. You, Ukrainians, are pumped up by the West, and the meaning of your existence is a war with us, the collective author repeats.

        Okay, why do we think they don't get it? That this is a very convenient way out for them from the point of view of the ideology of national building. Here was this depressive piece of the fallen empire, he did not know why he was and to whom, all sorts of Kuchmas and Yanukovychs were in power, drug addiction and AIDS were all around. Why live? And here they are given meanings that are quite understandable: you are elves, and there are orcs. You are warriors of light, and there is darkness of the steppe. And to them, whose they are, these meanings - they filled the vacuum.

        They are already living in the wrong paradigm, it’s too late, this is already the problem of the organization of the “other Rus'”, which is the antithesis to us. The issue has been relevant, by the way, since the time of the Grand Duchy of Lithuania and Russia, that is, since the 15th century. Remember, on the Maidan, the choice was formulated precisely as a different path, one’s own, non-Moscow - not a “taiga union”, but “lace panties and EU

        They have a considerable head start in front of us, in this imposed from the outside, but still national building, at least 8 years. And they all had their first mobilizations back in 14-15 years. Not only armies, but also societies.

        At the same time, the speed of changes in these eight years was such that we still cannot believe that they managed to become so by the beginning of the NWO. Ready to fight with us to the end.

        They do not just have a head start, they have a process put on a war footing, with stocks of body armor for next year's campaign of 200 thousand pieces. And believe me, they will find someone to wear them. And here we are... And here we are explaining everything to the Ukrainians, what they are like.

        It is not the Ukrainians who need to be explained. The Russians need to explain.

        And here the same process is possible as there, a historical success. Just as Ukrainians have realized themselves as Ukrainians through opposition to Russians, so Russians recognize themselves as a nation ready to go to the end and sacrifice everything for the sake of victory through Ukrainians. One people, however, must act.
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        This article was removed by Zen MINUTES after posting.
        What does such haste say, right?

        1. Tatyana
          Tatyana 22 November 2022 18: 50
          +7
          Quote from: laws70
          Hand over your neighbor is a national Ukrainian tradition. To whom it doesn't matter.

          Unfortunately for Ukrainians, especially for Westerners, this is a purely PRO-WESTERN CONSUMER ideology of people of the "third grade" by Western standards! So to speak, about those about whom they say that they are from rags to riches!

          Unfortunately, the Ukrainian N.S. Khrushchev, by his nature, was exactly the same! Namely.
          Khrushchev betrayed everyone who, through naivety and underestimation of Khrushchev's careerism, helped him come to the very top of Soviet power in the USSR.
          It is known that during the repressions of 1937-38, Khrushchev's hands were up to his shoulders in blood!

          "Shut up!" Whose request did Stalin answer like that?
          1. MBRSS
            MBRSS 22 November 2022 20: 10
            -6
            Khrushchev has recently been "working" as a lightning rod, all the bumps are raining down on him. Meanwhile, even during Khrushchev's time, the country was developing steadily, unlike Putin's 22 years. You will also cheat Brezhnev, he seems to be also a "Ukrainian". For Chernenko, again, the surname speaks. Here are Gorbachev, Yeltsin, Putin, Medvedev - these are our Russians!
            1. Tatyana
              Tatyana 22 November 2022 20: 31
              +7
              Quote: MBRBS
              Khrushchev has recently been "working" as a lightning rod, all the bumps are raining down on him.

              What Khrushchev deserved, he got! Moreover, he received from the authorities back in Soviet times!
              And you personally just historical TRUTH pricks your eyes!

              Take off your rose-colored glasses! And look competently TRUTH IN THE EYES!
              The "pseudo-communists" in power "above" made stupid mistakes!

              Because of what and whom did we lose the USSR? Answer this question honestly!
              Otherwise, we, the common people, will never historically solve today's problems.
              Other people's "mistakes" must be studied. Smart people don't learn from other people's mistakes.
              And for some reason you are against it. Why?

              Khrushchev was never a "Holy" communist!
              1. Alexander Raikov
                Alexander Raikov 22 November 2022 21: 15
                -2
                The big question remains unanswered to this day - why did the Soviet people not stand up for the USSR? And in 1991 and in 1992 and in 1993
                1. Tatyana
                  Tatyana 22 November 2022 21: 36
                  -2
                  Quote: Alexander Raykov
                  The big question remains unanswered to this day - why did the Soviet people not stand up for the USSR? And in 1991 and in 1992 and in 1993

                  What country or city in Russia are you writing this from?
                  You just don't know about it!
                  1. Dingo
                    Dingo 22 November 2022 22: 21
                    +4
                    why did the Soviet people not stand up for the USSR? And in 1991 and in 1992 and in 1993

                    The casket opens simply - after the execution of the building of the Supreme Council from the Humpback Bridge.
                    tanks. Direct fire.
                    1. Tatyana
                      Tatyana 22 November 2022 22: 47
                      +1
                      The army betrayed the socialist system, its people and the USSR back in 1991. The order to arrest Yeltsin was not carried out at the very top!
                      I remember well what the officers looked like in March 1991! All the garrisons sat in the barracks and waited for an order from above, which they never received.

                      The Taman division was bought. In addition, foreigners, in particular from Israel, sat in the tanks that fired at the House of Soviets in 1993. And the Russian officer, who refused to shoot the House of Soviets, got out of the tank and walked away, they just shot him in the back from the tank.
                      1. Ka-52
                        Ka-52 23 November 2022 05: 17
                        +1
                        you already decide - 1991 or 1993. And then you are carried back and forth. If we are talking about 1991, then the GKChP was not a legitimate government, which, in fact, came as a result of a coup. You can at least treat them and Gorbachev in some way, but legally it is so. Accordingly, the orders of the State Emergency Committee to arrest someone were not legitimate (we all consider exactly the same coup in Ukraine in 2014 to be criminal?).
                        Regarding 1993, it’s not at all clear where you were taken from the USSR. By this time, he had already sunk into oblivion.
                        You should know better the history of our country, because these events are not so old.
                      2. Tatyana
                        Tatyana 23 November 2022 09: 36
                        0
                        Quote: Ka-52
                        you already decide - 1991 or 1993.
                        As the question was asked to me, namely
                        Quote: Alexander Raykov
                        The big question remains unanswered to this day - why did the Soviet people not stand up for the USSR? And in 1991 and in 1992 and in 1993
                        so I answer.
                        Quote: Ka-52
                        If we are talking about 1991, then the GKChP was not a legitimate government, which, in fact, came as a result of a coup. You can at least treat them and Gorbachev in some way, but legally it is so. Accordingly, the orders of the State Emergency Committee to arrest someone were not legitimate (we all consider exactly the same coup in Ukraine in 2014 to be criminal?).
                        This is your superficial judgment, which only says that you personally do not know the whole background of the State Emergency Committee. Or don't want to know.
                        Quote: Ka-52
                        You can at least treat them and Gorbachev in some way, but legally it is so.
                        The country from the TRAITORS at the top must be protected! And the army should be at the same time in the forefront, since the armed forces serve the people, and not individuals - all the more notorious TRAITORS! - upstairs!
                        Quote: Ka-52
                        Regarding 1993, it’s not at all clear where you were taken from the USSR. By this time, he had already sunk into oblivion.
                        The USSR has sunk into oblivion, but only its rudiment - the Supreme Council still remains in the same composition! Yeltsin finally dealt with him - under the smiles of American journalists - defiantly in front of the United States and dealt with him by shooting the White House!
                        It is strange that you personally do not see any historical connection with the USSR! And she is. The Supreme Council prepared Yeltsin's impeachment and the return of the socialist system in Russia. This is what Yeltsin managed to prevent. And Naina Yeltsina still calls these 1990 years of her husband's reign "HOLY"!
                        Quote: Ka-52
                        You should know better the history of our country, because these events are not so old.
                        This is exactly what applies to you!
                      3. Deon59
                        Deon59 23 November 2022 10: 04
                        +2
                        It’s just that Khasbulatov and Rutskoi decided to seize power, but it didn’t work out. At that time, Rutskoi flew to Chernigovka and talked about a suitcase with compromising materials. The shooting of the Supreme Council did not prevent Rutskoi from becoming governor. people would have been shot. Do not forget that it was because of Khasbulatov that in 1992 they did not deal with Dudayev.
                      4. Ka-52
                        Ka-52 23 November 2022 10: 05
                        +3
                        The country from the TRAITORS at the top must be protected!

                        oh-oh, Tatyana, use objective arguments, not slogans. We are not discussing morality, but reasons.
                        The USSR has sunk into oblivion, but only its rudiment - the Supreme Council still remains in the same composition!

                        The Armed Forces had nothing to do with the USSR. It was the Supreme Soviet of the Russian Federation. It's like thinking that the current Duma is a vestige of the Duma of the Russian Empire at the beginning of the 20th century.
                        It is strange that you personally have no historical connection

                        we are not now discussing whether this was morally justified or not. As well as we do not discuss my personal attitude to those events. We only know that the strengthening of the power of President Yeltsin pulled many negative factors in the country. But whether or not it would be better if Rutskoi and Khasbulatov won is also not known. The Armed Forces of that time were a crowd of demagogues, hardly able to determine the path of development of the state.
                      5. Tatyana
                        Tatyana 23 November 2022 10: 23
                        -3
                        Quote: Ka-52
                        But whether or not it would be better if Rutskoi and Khasbulatov won is also not known. The Armed Forces of that time were a crowd of demagogues, hardly able to determine the path of development of the state.

                        This is the next Overton window. BUT Overton's first window in 1991 was the non-overthrow of Gorbachev during the State Emergency Committee.
                        The USSR Armed Forces betrayed their norm, the socialist system and the USSR. And in At the same time, high-ranking officers stood in the front rows, who spoke liberally with a fool or out of cowardice, that supposedly "the Army is out of politics"!
                      6. Ka-52
                        Ka-52 23 November 2022 10: 42
                        -3
                        The USSR Armed Forces betrayed their norm, the socialist system and the USSR.

                        Sheer nonsense. You declare this from your idea of ​​​​the army. And the army is a structure that has always followed a rigid system of one-man command. she has only one commander, and not the vague concept of "people." Tomorrow some rogue will come out and shout "I am the people! The army - let's go after me!" And then another, third .... and so the army will run back and forth? Such a bedlam would have been in 1917, it did not end with anything good. The task of the people is to choose this same commander. And the people should not try to manage the army. The people did not choose the GKChP, it elected itself (a classic coup), and so it got what it got.
                        Therefore, it is impossible to blame the army for not following the GKChP. Even if you don't like it.
                      7. Tatyana
                        Tatyana 23 November 2022 10: 58
                        -2
                        Quote: Ka-52
                        it is impossible to blame the army for not following the GKChP.

                        And who is to blame? If a the army at the decisive moment did not fulfill its historical mission!
                        The people do not care for what reason this TREASON or TREASON to the Motherland by the country's Armed Forces took place in the USSR Armed Forces and what exactly the command of the Armed Forces at the top was guided by without arresting Gorbachev, Yeltsin, Kravchuk and Shushkevich with all their camarilla! What matters is that it HAPPENED!
                        And now we have what we have!
                      8. Ka-52
                        Ka-52 24 November 2022 04: 59
                        +2
                        And who is to blame? If the army did not fulfill its historical mission at the decisive moment!

                        what are you grinding? What is the historical purpose? Stop throwing stupid slogans from the training manual here. Any commander can violate his military regulations and refuse to carry out a deliberately criminal order - for example, to shoot at his own citizens. Which, for example, was given away by your communist power in 1962 in Novocherkassk. But an officer is not obliged and should not understand the round dance of power coups. The army is not a prostitute who runs back and forth depending on the political situation.
                      9. Tatyana
                        Tatyana 24 November 2022 11: 20
                        -4
                        Quote: Ka-52
                        The army is not a prostitute who runs back and forth depending on the political situation.

                        Worthless is the price of such "pocket" officers who, under such a cover, as you say, did not leave the barracks and did not defend with weapons in the hands of the CPSU against the bourgeois state transfer by the pro-Western Gorbachev demos in the country, did not defend their socialist Motherland during the State Emergency Committee on August 19 1991 against Gorbachev with his staging in Foros.
                        For already in March 1991, it was absolutely clear to the people and ordinary members of the CPSU 1000 times that Gorbaty, Yakovlev and Shevernadze were TRAITORS to the Motherland and agents of Washington and London! And that TREASON was carried out at the VERY TOP of governing the country!

                        And about the "manuals" keep quiet to me! I myself was at the center of all these events then, and I speak from my personal historical experience.
                        And I know better than you what I'm talking about.
                        The USSR Armed Forces "above" betrayed the Soviet government and their socialist Motherland.
                        The members of the GKChP were right and acted honestly, but Humpbacked outplayed them. And the military of our country, the State Emergency Committee and the Soviet people simply BETRAYED, obsequiously humiliated before the Hunchback!!
                      10. Ka-52
                        Ka-52 25 November 2022 06: 43
                        0
                        I ask again - did the army do the right thing by shooting at the people in Novocherkassk? Enough for me to retell the stupid manuals. I am under 60 and I perfectly understand where is the lie and where is the truth. And where I do not understand, I sit and keep silent. But you are carrying your nonsense, regardless of whether you understand the subject of discussion or not. This is bad, Tatyana. You should at least once sit down and think about the essence of what is being said.
                      11. Tatyana
                        Tatyana 25 November 2022 11: 54
                        -4
                        Quote: Ka-52
                        I ask again - did the army do the right thing by shooting at the people in Novocherkassk? Enough for me to retell the stupid manuals. I am under 60 and I perfectly understand where is the lie and where is the truth.
                        This is in your mind - at your almost 60 years of age - in the mind of an elderberry in the garden, and in Kyiv, an uncle!

                        Well, you compared the SHOOTING by the authorities of the Russian Federation striking workers in Novocherkassk under the Trotskyist-voluntarist Khrushchev in 1962 with the PROTECTION OF THE TRAITOR of the country - the head of state Gorbachev with the NON-PARTICIPATION of the USSR Armed Forces during the State Emergency Committee to PROTECT the socialist system in the USSR and, in fact, the existence of the world's first socialist state of workers' power !!!
                        In 1991, the NON-PARTICIPATION of the USSR Armed Forces on the side of the State Emergency Committee was definitely a FLIGHT - A TREASON on the part of the USSR Armed Forces, which, at the same time, began to defend the BOURGEOIS coup d'état and the BOURGEOIS system in the country! What is there for you not to understand?

                        And you yourself, with your such liberal reasoning, are defending the bourgeois coup d'état in the country in 1991-1993! So admit it honestly, and do not confuse God's gift with scrambled eggs! You have lived to be almost 60 years old, but you have not understood anything or are pretending, because you do not want to understand it.
                        And in 1962 you were not even in the world! From other people's words, you studied history and now you are promoting your scientifically untenable views to me!

                        And the events in Novocherkassk on June 2, 1962 - later became one of the reasons for the removal of Trotskyist-voluntarist Khrushchev from power is precisely in the name of PRESERVING the socialist system in the USSR.

                      12. Tatyana
                        Tatyana 25 November 2022 16: 00
                        -3
                        About the execution of workers by Khrushchev in Novocherkassk in 1961, E.Yu. Spitsyn.
                        All the "achievements" of Khrushchev's rule under his Trotskyist-voluntarist rule are visible at a glance!

                        The careerist Trotskyist Khrushchev could not be put side by side with Stalin! Everything was just the opposite!
                        And there is no need to talk about Gorbachev and the State Emergency Committee in 1991! The driving forces of Gorbachev and his clique and members of the ECHR and their personal motivations were completely different!
                        And it was a treacherous sin on the part of the armed forces of the USSR not to join the State Emergency Committee and not to arrest the traitors of the Motherland Gorbachev, Yeltsin, Kravchuk and Shushkevich!

                        432. E. Yu. Spitsyn. "Execution in Novocherkassk 1962. The top of the CPSU and the people"
                      13. Reptiloid
                        Reptiloid 23 November 2022 11: 26
                        0
                        Quote: Tatiana
                        .... the question was asked, namely
                        Quote: Alexander Raykov
                        The big question remains unanswered to this day - why did the Soviet people not stand up for the USSR? .....
                        so I answer ........ Naina Yeltsina still calls these 1990 years of her husband's reign "HOLY" ....

                        I understand this, dear Tatyana, that the betrayal of the USSR was being prepared> 30 years. Perhaps the first reference point seen is Kochetov's novel "What do you want?", Published in 1969. This is a "prediction" of the destruction of the Union and how it will be destroyed. At that time, feature films began to appear, and then even seemingly "children's" cartoons talking about it! Such was the "creative intelligentsia" ---
                        --- For Socialism!

                        But the audience somehow did not understand this (???????). There was a reformatting of the consciousness of the Soviet people. It was all very cleverly done. As a result of cooperatives, society was divided. What is the most important thing in the answer to the question
                        --- Why didn't you get up?

                        This is not the fault of all the inhabitants of the USSR. This is the result of all previous events.
                    2. MBRSS
                      MBRSS 23 November 2022 03: 23
                      0
                      It is necessary to calculate this reptile who tore the flag of the USSR.
                2. Maybe_Cost
                  Maybe_Cost 23 November 2022 12: 18
                  +3
                  Quote: Alexander Raykov
                  The big question remains unanswered to this day - why did the Soviet people not stand up for the USSR? And in 1991 and in 1992 and in 1993

                  They didn’t get up, because by that time they were rotten with materialism and a thirst for money-grubbing. Because the ideas of social brotherhood and equality were replaced by the desire to live richly and beautifully, because they stopped loving their Motherland and ended up in ... opera. Because the communists turned out to be more not communists, but adherents and opportunists, because the coup took place from above, because ... Yes, a lot of things because. We did not stand the test of beautiful rags, trinkets, etc. They succumbed and sold themselves for beads. It seemed the phrase; "Capitalism is a bad system, but all others are even worse" is the truth of the truths ... It turned out that everything is known in comparison. How wrong we all are! What country did you ask..ali!
              2. MBRSS
                MBRSS 22 November 2022 21: 35
                +3
                Tatyana I don't consider Khrushchev a saint. However, Stalin too.
                Because of what and whom did we lose the USSR? Answer this question honestly!

                Here, in my opinion, everything is clear. Gorbachev weakened the country, Yeltsin finished it off. We, the people, are only to blame for the fact that we are accustomed to overly trusting leaders. Until now, unfortunately.
                1. Tatyana
                  Tatyana 22 November 2022 22: 09
                  +1
                  Quote: MBRBS
                  Here, in my opinion, everything is clear. Gorbachev weakened the country, Yeltsin finished it off.
                  А Khrushchev:
                  1) with your personal, deceitful and not announced in advance in the Politburo of the party by exposing the personality cult of Stalin at the 20th Party Congress, he generally discretized the socialist system and the formation of the world's first socialist state - the USSR!
                  2) Quarreled because of this with Mao Zedong.
                  3) And defiantly in relation to the PRC, he moved closer to Japan,voluntaristically promising to transfer to her from the USSR Fr. Shikotan and about. Habomai.
                  4) and much more.

                  REFERENCE
                  Nikita Khrushchev decided to make a "breakthrough" in the negotiations, and still conclude a peace treaty with Japan. For this the head of the USSR agreed to sacrifice two of the South Kuril Islands - Shikotan and Habomai.
                  Japanese diplomat Matsumoto, to which these proposals of the USSR were first voiced, he admits in his memoirs that at first he did not believe his ears. The return of even just these two islands would be a huge success for Japan.
                  By and large, never even the boldest wishes of the Japanese supporters of the return of the "northern territories" went further than Habomai and Shikotan

                  О. Shikotan is the largest island in the Lesser Ridge of the Kuril Islands.. According to the federal structure of Russia, it is part of the Sakhalin Region as part of the Yuzhno-Kurilsky District within the administrative-territorial structure of the region and as part of the Yuzhno-Kurilsky Urban District within the framework of the municipal structure in the region.
                  The Russian ownership of the island is disputed by Japan, which considers it as part of its Nemuro district of the governorate of Hokkaido. It has a permanent population of 2820 people.
                  1. MBRSS
                    MBRSS 23 November 2022 03: 17
                    -2
                    discretized the socialist system for the whole world and the formation of the world's first socialist state - the USSR!

                    At least read what you write! How did it discredit the formation of the USSR? Have we lost allies? Well no.
                    2) Quarreled because of this with Mao Zedong.

                    So what?
                    approached Japan, voluntaristically promising ...

                    I promised, yes! Putin GIVED the islands to China, Medvedev (Putin) - part of the Barents Sea.

                    And what, Khrushchev didn’t do anything right? Housing not set up? Didn't show "Kuzkin's mother" to America? He did not promote rocket technology in every possible way, giving it priority, thanks to which we are still holding on in this world? Gagarin did not fly with him? And corn, if you look, was not the worst idea.
              3. MBRSS
                MBRSS 23 November 2022 03: 38
                +3
                The "pseudo-communists" in power "above" made stupid mistakes!

                Yeah, and the biggest mistake was the separation from the people of the so-called. "Soviet elite". It was then that the "caste" system was born in the Union. The power of the Soviets, not having had time to develop properly, was replaced by partocracy, autocracy. Can you tell me under which leader this happened or can you guess?
                1. Tatyana
                  Tatyana 23 November 2022 12: 01
                  -2
                  Quote: MBRBS
                  Yeah, and the biggest mistake was the separation from the people of the so-called. "Soviet elite". It was then that the "caste" system was born in the Union. The power of the Soviets, not having had time to develop properly, was replaced by partocracy, autocracy. Can you tell me under which leader this happened or can you guess?

                  Under Stalin, there was criminal liability up to and including execution for party members for sabotaging official duties and for abuse in their position!
                  Khrushchev abolished this Stalinist criminal liability for party members. Party members were not criminally punished for failures in their work in the construction of socialism and communism in our country, but they began to be moved from one position to another.
                  1. MBRSS
                    MBRSS 23 November 2022 17: 27
                    +1
                    Quote: Tatiana
                    Under Stalin, there was criminal liability up to and including execution for party members for sabotage ...

                    Wonderful. However, criminal up to execution was not only for party members. But I actually wrote about the appearance of the so-called. "Stalin's elite" (how I hate this word!) is when one Soviet citizen had an income 10 or more times higher than another Soviet citizen working the same amount of time. In addition, the "elite" was showered with various service "buns", like spacious apartments, state dachas, etc. Some lived in houses with exorbitantly high ceilings, while others lived in two-story wooden barracks. It was then that the property stratification began (if you do not take the NEP period, but are we drowning for socialism?) of Soviet society, and hence the beginning of the end.
                    1. Tatyana
                      Tatyana 23 November 2022 21: 01
                      -3
                      And what do you propose? Where do you think JUSTICE is and from whom exactly do you see it personally and how should this be expressed in your opinion?
                      Where did you work, in what years and in what specialty? And which of your superiors was by nationality?
            2. Igor Markin
              Igor Markin 22 November 2022 20: 54
              -3
              Khrushch led the defense of Stalingrad from the CPSU, what was next, I think it’s not worth telling?
            3. isv000
              isv000 22 November 2022 21: 49
              0
              Quote: MBRBS
              Here are Gorbachev, Yeltsin, Putin, Medvedev - these are our Russians!

              And Romanov?
            4. ISKANDER_61
              ISKANDER_61 23 November 2022 05: 24
              +1
              Both Khrushchev and Brezhnev, as far as nationality is concerned, are Palestinian Ukrainians. Everyone knows this except you.
            5. Reptiloid
              Reptiloid 23 November 2022 10: 57
              0
              Quote: MBRBS
              .... during Khrushchev, the country developed steadily .....

              The unfinished projects begun under Stalin, Khrushchev continued --- the restoration of the national economy, SPACE, the housing program. This was what the Soviet people were happy about. Although he either worsened some programs or closed them altogether. Like, for example, the Stalinist program on the conservation and restoration of nature.
            6. guest
              guest 23 November 2022 15: 07
              0
              Quote: MBRBS
              Khrushchev has recently been "working" as a lightning rod, all the bumps are raining down on him.

              And who gave Crimea to Bandera?
              1. MBRSS
                MBRSS 23 November 2022 17: 01
                +2
                Quote: guest
                And who gave Crimea to Bandera?

                Stupidity. From the gift of the Crimea did not become Bandera. And Ukraine was not Bandera in the USSR. So we can say that Stalin gave the Bandera Western Ukraine, and Yeltsin - in general, the whole.
                1. guest
                  guest 23 November 2022 20: 10
                  -1
                  Quote: MBRBS
                  From the gift of the Crimea did not become Bandera.

                  No need to distort, I didn’t say that the Crimea itself became Bandera, although a certain number of Banderites also drove there. And just under Khrushchev, Ukraine began to become Bandera in the way he pardoned these Bandera people.
            7. Terran ghost
              Terran ghost 23 November 2022 15: 17
              +3
              By the way, it’s true, if you look at first glance, it’s absolutely incomprehensible why N.S. was so guilty. Khrushchev then?
              Under Nikita Sergeevich Khrushchev:
              1) cannibalistic Stalinist laws on criminal liability for being 20 minutes late and de facto serfdom for all categories of Soviet citizens were canceled in the USSR (a ban on free change of job);
              2) there was a reduction in exorbitant military spending, including by refusing to carry out expensive, but already obviously meaningless "projects" undertaken not out of defense needs, but out of Stalin's personal taste. At the same time, a shift in emphasis to the development of the latest missile weapons at that time to replace obsolete weapons systems.
              3) At the expense of the funds saved thanks to paragraph 2 - a radical strengthening of the state's social programs. Those massive free Soviet apartments. Cancellation of tuition fees in schools and universities. Increasing wages for employees.
              4) The space program of the USSR. First satellite in orbit. Yu. Gagarin's first space flight.
              However, the answer is probably the same. An individual who denies the fundamental rights and freedoms of a person always denies them not for himself and his loved ones, but for other people. An individual leading a direct apology for autocracy and a whip always believes that he will be guaranteed to be "on the right side" of this very whip.
          2. Dingo
            Dingo 22 November 2022 20: 38
            +1
            Tatyana, how they betray their neighbors during the sweeps in Kherson - video at the link below:
            https://rusvesna.su/news/1669122574
            (via Yandex).
            Or here:
            https://m.rusvesna.su/news/1669122574
            (search is also only through Yandex).
            1. Tatyana
              Tatyana 22 November 2022 20: 49
              -5
              Quote: Dingo
              https://rusvesna.su/news/1669122574

              The Ukrovoyaks are trying defiantly on the video to have a decent appearance and decent manners, but they clearly break down on the message of the “waiting” that the mistress’s teenager is “the offspring of a Russian”.
              And the house and yard of the arrested are clearly solid! Someone may envy!
              1. Dingo
                Dingo 22 November 2022 21: 44
                0
                Someone may envy!

                But how! This is a national trait of Svidomites ...
                What is not a reason for denunciation?
              2. Mordvin 3
                Mordvin 3 23 November 2022 02: 55
                +3
                Quote: Tatiana
                And the house and yard of the arrested are clearly solid! Someone may envy!

                I wonder what the authorities of the Russian Federation could offer them. A hectare in the Far East, or a kopeck piece in Murmansk?
          3. Sergej1972
            Sergej1972 22 November 2022 20: 41
            -1
            Khrushchev was Russian. There is a Russian population in Kalinovka, Kursk region.
            1. Tatyana
              Tatyana 22 November 2022 21: 15
              -4
              Quote: Sergej1972
              Khrushchev was Russian. There is a Russian population in Kalinovka, Kursk region.
              .
              Khrushchev is Russian only by his mother (and that is in question), but his real ethnic father was a rich Pole.

              Nikita Khrushchev. What fact of his biography did he hide


              The real name of General Secretary Khrushchev
              1. isv000
                isv000 22 November 2022 21: 51
                0
                Quote: Tatiana
                The real name of General Secretary Khrushchev

                Khrushchev's real name is Khrustanyan...
          4. Reptiloid
            Reptiloid 23 November 2022 10: 45
            +1
            Quote: Tatiana
            ..... Khrushchev betrayed everyone who ...... helped him come to the very top of Soviet power in the USSR.
            It is known that Khrushchev during the repressions of 1937-38 had blood on his shoulders!.....

            In one of his broadcasts, Gasparyan showed a pre-war book, a bibliographic rarity, and read out Khrushchev's congratulations to Stalin on his birthday. Constant refrain and anger about
            enemies of Comrade Stalin
            1. Tatyana
              Tatyana 23 November 2022 11: 26
              -3
              Quote: Reptiloid
              In one of his broadcasts, Gasparyan showed a pre-war book, a bibliographic rarity, and read Khrushchev's congratulations to Stalin on his birthday. Constant refrain and anger about Comrade Stalin's enemies

              Well, the "Soviet prince" - the youngest son of N.S. Khrushchev Sergey Khrushchev - moved to the USA forever in the 1990s. became an anti-Soviet and Russophobe there. He died suspiciously in the USA at the age of 85 under very strange circumstances.
              1. Reptiloid
                Reptiloid 23 November 2022 11: 44
                0
                Quote: Tatiana
                .... junior .... permanently moved to the US. became an anti-Soviet and Russophobe there. ...

                There is nothing surprising in this. Especially if he understood what his father had done.
                1. Tatyana
                  Tatyana 23 November 2022 12: 07
                  -2
                  Quote: Reptiloid
                  There is nothing surprising in this. Especially if he understood what his father had done.

                  The apple tree does not fall far from the apple tree.
                  1. Reptiloid
                    Reptiloid 23 November 2022 12: 50
                    0
                    I wonder why not to Canada to that Ukrainian diaspora? After all, it was Khrushchev who allowed remigration from Canada. The dill returned with money, tried to infiltrate Krajina public organizations --- sports, trade unions, cultural, and whoever is lucky in the authorities ....
                    1. Tatyana
                      Tatyana 23 November 2022 13: 13
                      0
                      Quote: Reptiloid
                      I wonder why not to Canada to that Ukrainian diaspora?

                      Sergei Khrushchev had a working contract in political science in the United States. There he remained.

                      See in detail - How was the life of the youngest son of Nikita Khrushchev, who emigrated to the United States. - https://kulturologia.ru/blogs/181020/47889/?ysclid=lathdaxsh94155746
              2. MBRSS
                MBRSS 23 November 2022 18: 05
                0
                Quote: Tatiana
                moved to the USA. became an anti-Soviet and Russophobe there.

                It's okay to lie! He moved to move, but he was not an anti-Soviet and Russophobe. I watched several interviews with him, and there are no close attacks on the Soviet government, like, for example, the same Solzhenitsyn or Sakharov. If S. Khrushchev has any anti-Soviet works, throw in a link.
                1. Tatyana
                  Tatyana 23 November 2022 21: 29
                  -3
                  Sergei Khrushchev justified his father Nikita Khrushchev in everything, and the people of the voluntarist-Trotskyist Nikitka appreciated correctly - they laughed at him and hated him!

                  At the same time, one should not think that the achievements of the USSR under Khrushchev were precisely thanks to Nikita!
                  All these achievements were prepared under Stalin and Khrushchev could not change this course taken by Stalin in the country! But for the rest, Khrushchev ideologically and economically spoiled the country "notably"! Only his in 1961 that "in 1980 the Soviet people will live under communism" is worth something!

                  Besides. Under Khrushchev, the TRADING mafia also appeared in the country. And you are talking about some kind of bossy stratification with ordinary workers here under Stalin and socialism!
                  Quote: MBRBS
                  If S. Khrushchev has any anti-Soviet works, throw in a link.

                  I focus on video recordings of Sergei Khrushchev ranting about his father, justifying his voluntarism.
                  And meanwhile Never can the Trotskyist and careerist Nikita Khrushchev be justified for his false and provocative accusation of Stalin at the 20th party congress in the cult of personality!
                  The workers then frankly said that "Khrushch, taking Stalin's body out of the Mausoleum, is preparing a place there next to Lenin for himself, beloved instead of Stalin"!

                  And you, probably, come from Ukraine, why are you defending Khrushchev indiscriminately?
        2. SKVichyakow
          SKVichyakow 22 November 2022 19: 06
          -2
          Quote: Askold65
          They do not just have a head start, they have a process put on a war footing, with stocks of body armor for next year's campaign of 200 thousand pieces.

          They don't have any stocks of bulletproof vests. They live on alms.
          1. Askold65
            Askold65 22 November 2022 19: 13
            +2
            Quote: SKVichyakow
            They don't have any stocks of bulletproof vests. They live on alms.

            They saved up on alms.
            And what about body armor? Almost give out airsoft guns. And there is no one to take from, all allies have their tails between their legs.
            1. Dingo
              Dingo 22 November 2022 19: 58
              0
              And what about body armor?

              And 1,5 million sets of uniforms from the warehouses of the Ministry of Defense "got lost" somewhere ...
              1. ramzay21
                ramzay21 22 November 2022 20: 27
                +7
                And 1,5 million sets of uniforms from the warehouses of the Ministry of Defense "got lost" somewhere.

                They are now being sold with great profit by those who stole them, the generals and colonels of the home front also want to live beautifully and our leadership will, of course, treat this with understanding, because they themselves do not know how to live differently.
        3. Terenin
          Terenin 22 November 2022 19: 53
          +6
          Quote: Askold65
          so the Russians recognize themselves as a nation ready to go to the end and sacrifice everything for the sake of victory through the Ukrainians.

          I am more than sure that with their brutal hatred of everything Russian, these "brothers" will wake us up. And, unfortunately, then between these words
          Quote: Askold65
          through Ukrainians.
          the word "corpses" will appear
          1. Askold65
            Askold65 22 November 2022 20: 50
            +1
            Quote: Terenin
            I am more than sure that with their brutal hatred of everything Russian, these "brothers" will wake us up. And, unfortunately, then between these words

            And everyone asks us questions, including the authors of articles on the VO: "We do not understand the goals of the VO, why were we sent there, what is denazification?" Explain to us --- "We don't understand."
            1. Terenin
              Terenin 23 November 2022 16: 25
              +4
              Quote: Askold65
              "Explain to us --- "We don't understand."

              Let the film look about the Volyn massacre. When the Bandera people come to their house at night, it will be too late to understand.
        4. Dingo
          Dingo 22 November 2022 20: 32
          +1
          Sergey, the original article is on the Russian Spring resource.
          Here is the link :
          https://rusvesna.su/news/1669008412
          (search only through Yandex).
        5. Igor Markin
          Igor Markin 22 November 2022 20: 51
          -6
          I would not rely on and trust this channel as Ryadovochka is painfully under the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation.
          1. Askold65
            Askold65 22 November 2022 21: 13
            0
            Quote: Igor Markin
            I would not rely on and trust this channel as Ryadovochka is painfully under the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation.

            Вы о чем тут? Вам предлагается к прочтению не сводки из "неназванных источников", а смыслы, с которыми вы можете соглашаться или нет. Я, лично, готов подписаться под каждым словом. У нас в стране еще многие -- БОЛЬШИНСТВО, этого до сих пор не понимают.
            1. Igor Markin
              Igor Markin 22 November 2022 21: 53
              -2
              re-read what you wrote and me.
              I also read this row at first, but then, as everything became sweet with them, I turned to other sources. these are the ones worth reading and quoting:
              Rybar, Letters of Yaroslavna, Older Eda and others, but it doesn’t ...
              1. Askold65
                Askold65 23 November 2022 11: 11
                0
                You will rethink what you wrote about: trust / not trust. It has to do with any INFORMATION. Here the author expressed his OPINION about what is happening. And your attitude: share/not share his opinion. These are different things.
                The Ukrainians have long decided everything for themselves, but we still hope that they can be dissuaded. This is mistake. And the main point of this article is expressed in one phrase:
                "We don't need to explain to Ukrainians. We need to explain to Russians."
      3. laws70
        laws70 22 November 2022 19: 24
        +3
        As they say, get acquainted, our new neighbors.

        And we didn't know..
      4. BMP-2
        BMP-2 22 November 2022 20: 00
        -1
        Why "new neighbors"? The neighbors are just old. Now these are "new citizens of the Russian Federation."
    2. Silver99
      Silver99 22 November 2022 18: 33
      +24
      There is another reason people simply had nowhere to go (((((leaving everything and being a refugee in Russia is still a "pleasure". The blame is entirely on the political leadership of Russia (((these political liars and hurried people really framed people under the trunks ((( ((Why was it necessary to hold a referendum in a hurry and give people hope? You first knock out the Armed Forces of Ukraine and then divide the territory. There is no forgiveness for the death of civilians, I personally look at all this with disgust.
    3. culinary
      culinary 23 November 2022 00: 26
      +1
      Quote from: laws70
      Hand over your neighbor is a national Ukrainian tradition. To whom it doesn't matter.

      Latvians are even worse.
      They even give theirs away.
      In your country...
    4. alexandre II
      alexandre II 23 November 2022 10: 12
      0
      To hand over a neighbor is a trait of many nationalities, my grandmother told me how neighbors and relatives handed over each other, and now everyone is blamed on the NKVD, so don't talk about the Ukrainian tradition, the Russians have this d ... ma full ...
  2. dmi.pris1
    dmi.pris1 22 November 2022 18: 00
    +15
    I’m not surprised at anything. And what did you want from people with two passports and a fig behind their backs
    1. leks
      leks 22 November 2022 18: 28
      +10
      Quote: dmi.pris
      I’m not surprised at anything. And what did you want from people with two passports and a fig behind their backs

      There are plenty of those with two passports in Crimea. Until now, many blame that they have to work in the legal field and pay taxes, especially for those who rent out housing in the summer.
  3. Russ
    Russ 22 November 2022 18: 07
    +15
    Not funny but relevant...
    One Ukrainian is a partisan, Two Ukrainians are a partisan detachment, Three Ukrainians are a partisan detachment with a traitor ....
    1. paul3390
      paul3390 22 November 2022 18: 23
      +9
      Old man Chernovol used to say that there was a mistake in the joke - the traitor in the detachment was by no means alone. And he knew his fellow tribesmen as flaky ..
      1. Olddetractor
        Olddetractor 22 November 2022 19: 03
        -2
        So. Every ho ho l is a partisan. A few ho hlo in - a partisan detachment in which everyone is ready to become a traitor
      2. Dingo
        Dingo 22 November 2022 20: 01
        0
        Then so. One partisan and two traitors...
        1. paul3390
          paul3390 23 November 2022 14: 12
          +3
          Alas - most likely there will be three traitors ...
          1. Alexander Emrys
            Alexander Emrys 26 November 2022 00: 05
            +1
            Quote: paul3390
            Alas - most likely there will be three traitors ...

            With such an attitude towards the local population, why was it necessary to annex new regions?
            And in general, asking the local population when they were first asked at gunpoint "do you want to join us?"
            If we want to keep the former Ukrainian regions, we first need to learn to see Russians in their inhabitants, and stop denigrating them and leaving them to the mercy of fate. Or it wasn't worth it to start.
  4. razved
    razved 22 November 2022 18: 08
    +10
    Did anyone think it would be different...
    1. Piramidon
      Piramidon 22 November 2022 18: 35
      +2
      Quote: razved
      Did anyone think it would be different...

      Apparently, when the NWO was being prepared, the leadership of the country and the army thought and hoped that the "fraternal" Ukrainian people. will meet the army of the Russian Federation, as liberators, with pies and flowers, quickly join its ranks and sweep away the hated Nazi regime. Otherwise, why didn’t they immediately begin to strike at the infrastructure (at least the military one) throughout the territory of Ukraine, but realized it only now.
      1. faiver
        faiver 22 November 2022 18: 45
        +8
        the leadership of the country and the army thought
        I would like to know what it was...
        1. Dingo
          Dingo 22 November 2022 20: 18
          +3
          I would like to know what it was...

          Ask your godfather... Here's an excerpt from the resource "Russian Spring". I posted here in full - I received a warning and a ban ... The moderators here do not like the truth.
          Here is an excerpt from a letter from a first-wave militia, a former prisoner of war:
          It was Medvedchuk who was the person who buried the Novorossiya project. It was Medvedchuk and Zurabov who were the people who convinced the Russian establishment to recognize Poroshenko as the president of Ukraine, and thereby legalize and legitimize the Ukronazi junta. It was Medvedchuk who pushed through the Minsk agreements and was their main beneficiary from Ukraine.

          It was Medvedchuk who spent years misleading the Kremlin that the Ukronazi state could be pacified by political measures. Thanks to this, the Ukronazis cleared Novorossia of pro-Russian forces, reorganized the Armed Forces of Ukraine and carefully prepared for war, the consequences of which we feel now, when we are overcoming with great blood what could have been solved in 2014 with small forces and almost without bloodshed.

          Why the establishment of the Russian Federation staked on Medvedchuk is a question for them, not for us. All these years we have taken a clear position. Medvedchuk is our enemy.

          More precisely, worse than the enemy - he is a harmful parasite that got under the skin and parasitized on the pro-Russian agenda, making us weaker and the Ukronazis stronger.”
      2. razved
        razved 22 November 2022 19: 02
        +7
        Such a rhetorical question: why, in fact, one could think about flowers, pies and so on. Based on what Medvedchuk promised? So in country 404 with his reputation, he did not enjoy ANY authority. Over the past 8 years (after the Maidan), the process of planting Russophobia has not only increased in scale, but also significantly accelerated due to aggressive propaganda. What, no one saw this? And yes, there are too many questions...
        1. Dingo
          Dingo 22 November 2022 20: 21
          +2
          Based on what Medvedchuk promised?

          Andrew, read my comment above...
          1. razved
            razved 22 November 2022 20: 27
            +1
            Yes, yes, sorry, flashed. Completely agree from a to z. Everything on the topic and nothing more ...
            1. Dingo
              Dingo 23 November 2022 15: 28
              +1
              Here is the header of that letter:
              18.04.2022 - 7: 01
              “Worse than an enemy”: a captured militiaman speaks about Medvedchuk and his participation in the fate of Donbass | Russian spring
              The author of the popular Telegram channel Phantom of Novorossiya, a first-wave militiaman who was in Ukrainian captivity, talks about the participation of Ukrainian oligarch Viktor Medvedchuk in the fate of Donbass during the war years and about the legitimacy of the requests of his wife Oksana Marchenko.

              I left it completely on topcor, in Marzhetsky's public. Sergey wrote to me in a personal message that he knew this person ... And this is not a fake.
              1. razved
                razved 23 November 2022 16: 26
                0
                If my memory serves me right, I read that material. There is infa about this character (VM) from other channels ...
  5. tralflot1832
    tralflot1832 22 November 2022 18: 08
    +4
    One Ukrainian in the forest with a gun is a partisan, two Ukrainians with a gun in the forest are a partisan detachment with a traitor. No wonder there was such a saying after the war.
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 22 November 2022 18: 24
      0
      Quote: tralflot1832
      One Ukrainian in the forest with a gun is a partisan, two Ukrainians with a gun in the forest are a partisan detachment with a traitor.

      As on steamships, two Ukrainians, one of them is a "snitch".
      1. tralflot1832
        tralflot1832 22 November 2022 19: 11
        0
        That in the army, that on the ship, informers are simple, it’s in their blood. And there were also professional informers, ideological ones !!!
        1. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 22 November 2022 19: 45
          +1
          Quote: tralflot1832
          And there were also professional informers - ideological !!!

          There were ideological, but not Ukrainians.
  6. digger
    digger 22 November 2022 18: 08
    +7
    Nothing new. Who screamed and hysteria the most about the repressions of the 30s, he himself was in the forefront .. in Ukraine he handed over his neighbors .. slandered for selfish purposes and Khrushchev .. then the first secretary of the Ukrainian SSR in the forefront signed execution lists that even Stalin himself he was slowed down due to excessive activity and efforts to kill the inhabitants of the Ukrainian SSR.
  7. Trapp1st
    Trapp1st 22 November 2022 18: 09
    +14
    We don't leave ours. First, everyone was enrolled in a referendum, then they were duplicated in the passport offices, and then they were thrown to death, at best.
    1. mitroha
      mitroha 22 November 2022 18: 34
      -14
      Quote: Trapp1st
      We don't leave ours. First, everyone was enrolled in a referendum, then they were duplicated in the passport offices, and then they were thrown to death, at best.

      There were none left. Idle conjectures, about I have not heard and I will not give up good, from the evil one. And the Ukrainians will also hand over their own first, so that they would not be handed over. Spiders in the bank. Such a lifestyle. And they rode together, too, exclusively because of this at first.
      Therefore, all reasonable people either left earlier or left the RF Armed Forces.
      1. Trapp1st
        Trapp1st 22 November 2022 18: 46
        -2
        You are all lying, the Nazis seized power there, it is necessary to free the people, they are waiting for us there, the authorities will not lie.
        1. mitroha
          mitroha 22 November 2022 18: 49
          0
          You can scoff here as much as you like, it will not change a single leaf in the existing reality
    2. MMX
      MMX 22 November 2022 19: 24
      0
      Quote: Trapp1st
      We don't leave ours. First, everyone was enrolled in a referendum, then they were duplicated in the passport offices, and then they were thrown to death, at best.


      The main news of the day is that our supreme leader opened the monument to Castro.
      And also, I hope, because of such trifles, New Year's celebrations will not be canceled ...
  8. Paul Siebert
    Paul Siebert 22 November 2022 18: 10
    -3
    Yes, I'm just sure that the majority of those who were shot and repressed are just the same "waiting".
    Who were snitched on by enemies and envious neighbors, the same "broad" patriots ... request
    1. Petr_Koldunov
      Petr_Koldunov 22 November 2022 18: 52
      +7
      Quote: Paul Siebert
      Yes, I'm just sure that the majority of those who were shot and repressed are just the same "waiting".

      Knowing these Chewbaccas firsthand, and having studied this people quite well, I can assume that they rented out their neighbors in order to appropriate their property later. And when I read about "this was especially evident in the suburbs" - then the doubts dissipated. Sharovar will not think about selling his neighbors - so that when he disappears into the dungeons of the SBU - then he will cut off their plot for himself. There is an apple tree there ... a bathhouse, some kind of little house ... It's worth the candle!
      Collectively speaking, this is a people - in its purest form, one big Miron Osadchy.
      1. laws70
        laws70 22 November 2022 19: 22
        +1
        Sharovar will not think about selling his neighbors - so that when he disappears into the dungeons of the SBU - then he will cut off their plot for himself.

        They will also be surprised that it surprises us. For them, this is an absolutely natural situation: if you don’t surrender, they will surrender you.
  9. Sergey T19
    Sergey T19 22 November 2022 18: 13
    +13
    Russia has abandoned the fate of its own people. Initially recognized as a region of Russia, and then handed over their own people.
  10. Drotro
    Drotro 22 November 2022 18: 13
    +12
    theater of the absurd. The people themselves have been abandoned.
    And now the accusations are being brought against Ukrainians, who a priori hate Russia and everything connected with it. If they did not hide this even when the Russian troops were still in the city.
    And they themselves only do what they contribute to the growth of this hatred of Ukrainians and "the whole world", which supports them, towards everything Russian.

    And about the fact that Kherson is a Russian city and "we will return it soon" - it would be better if they were silent. How tired of these words, words.
    We need things. War cannot be won with words.
    1. Vladimir M
      Vladimir M 22 November 2022 18: 20
      +7
      And then who do you think is the one who instructed Abramovich to take the killers to the resorts of Turkey? Or Abramovich did it all himself, then why hasn't he been arrested yet?
      1. Drotro
        Drotro 22 November 2022 18: 33
        -6
        I'm talking about what.
        Here it is correctly called all this - a "strange" thing.
        Ordinary guys are taken to fight, and decision makers do some things that are hard to find logic in.
        But there is logic. And everything is very difficult. We don't understand right away.

        As for Kherson, my personal opinion is this. Surovikin looked at the ongoing pornography. (As such, filtering the population is not allowed, all data is leaked by the Armed Forces of Ukraine, which bomb anything and anywhere. A very large part of the population is clearly anti-Russian.) And Surovikin has long said that there is no other way out in the course of it, except to surrender the city (Just like "He described it softly. Only I immediately understood for myself that they would surrender.) You can't use hard weapons, you can't treat civilians harshly." One word found by someone here is "weird")))

        And they said about all kinds of Radishes that they were released so that the Saudis would help us in the oil war. And Abramovich just helped us here as an intermediary. In my opinion, it is obvious to a schoolchild that in our country even more or less important decisions must be agreed upon. And even more so, such as the release of persons declared "war criminals" or the surrender of a Russian city without a fight. Everything is agreed at the very top.

        Then we look at the military drama unfolding before our eyes.
        Now demonstration executions of Russian prisoners of war have begun. Complete game.

        Puppeteers achieve the main thing - they will sow hatred and then it will only grow.
        1. Kronos
          Kronos 22 November 2022 19: 06
          -1
          Well, in Zaporozhye there are enough of those who are against Russia, so you need to leave from there too?
          1. Drotro
            Drotro 22 November 2022 19: 38
            -1
            Zaporozhye is not cut off by the river. They may try to keep him.
            I'm telling you, it's very difficult.
        2. Vladimir M
          Vladimir M 22 November 2022 19: 27
          +2
          That's why some Saudis surrendered this radish? Everything is much simpler - they pulled out Medvedchuk.
          1. Drotro
            Drotro 22 November 2022 19: 39
            0
            I highly doubt it's that simple. It just looks more like everything is very confused. And Medvedchuk is not the main figure.
            Although he is also somehow close to our leadership.
  11. yuriy55
    yuriy55 22 November 2022 18: 15
    -3
    That's where the front of work for PMCs and Kadyrov's guards. How the partisans dealt with the traitors - it's time to remember.
    1. Kronos
      Kronos 22 November 2022 19: 07
      +3
      They can betray their own, and those who surrender were initially against Russia and accusing them of betrayal is stupid.
  12. agoran
    agoran 22 November 2022 18: 19
    -18
    I have something in my mind that Kherson was handed over in order to reveal the Sumerian henchmen.
    Ours will take Kherson back, the neighbors will immediately hand over the Sumerians.
  13. Eva Star
    Eva Star 22 November 2022 18: 21
    +10
    The Ukrainian authorities should be grateful to Putin. Thanks to its Ukraine has the ability to destroy all those who sympathized with Russia. And all because Putin did not have the balls to make tough decisions against the West and the Benderites themselves.
    1. agoran
      agoran 22 November 2022 18: 31
      -3
      Yes, thanks to GDP in 404 Poles are being destroyed. It’s not good to go to Koenig for gasoline and cigarettes, all in 404, they will bury them there.
    2. Polkanov
      Polkanov 23 November 2022 07: 41
      -2
      ... well, about eggs, you are in vain. Whoever hurts, he talks about what.
  14. Retvizan 8
    Retvizan 8 22 November 2022 18: 32
    +5
    Several videos have already come across of how these henchmen of the Bandor regime, from the so-called civilians with mugs distorted from anger (often people of advanced age), with sincere hatred, hand over their neighbors to the Nazis for allegedly collaborating with the Russian Federation.
    It's a shame, of course, and it's a pity for those people who believed us, and then were left without protection in front of these Bandera jackals.
    1. laws70
      laws70 22 November 2022 19: 18
      +3
      It's a shame, of course, and it's a pity for those people who believed us, and then were left without protection in front of these Bandera jackals.

      Faith in Russia does not matter here. The amount of greed and envy in the body matters.
  15. Million
    Million 22 November 2022 18: 37
    +5
    And who is to blame for this? Waiters or something else?
  16. Petr_Koldunov
    Petr_Koldunov 22 November 2022 18: 39
    +6
    According to some reports, immediately after returning to the city, Ukrainian security forces shot 39 pro-Russian activists in Kherson, and another 74 people were taken to an unknown destination.

    Everyone expected from Kherson - Stalingrad. And it turned out - Krasnodon!
  17. spirit
    spirit 22 November 2022 18: 44
    +8
    All these arrested and shot people, on the conscience of the "Tsar" not only surrendered their city without a fight, but also threw people half of whom did not even know about the departure of the Russian troops.
    1. Mordvin 3
      Mordvin 3 23 November 2022 03: 27
      +4
      Quote: spirit
      half did not even know about the departure of the Russian troops.

      It’s also interesting why they don’t show how the evacuation was carried out. Has it been announced at all? I have not seen a single video of someone walking along the alleys with a swearing gun, knocking on houses and apartments, and saying that the troops are reeling in fishing rods, join them with things-money-documents. Painfully briskly left, even the Ukrainians did not expect such agility, they sinned against a trap.
  18. Petr_Koldunov
    Petr_Koldunov 22 November 2022 18: 47
    +10
    Cool such reasoning ... They are there, you see, they clean up the "collaborators". What scoundrels! What did you think would happen to them? Food coupons? Naturally, they will be tortured, shot and destroyed. But is it appropriate to shift the blame on the Ukrogestapo alone?
    But WHO left our Russian people, with Russian passports, on Russian territory - not just in danger, but in a situation of guaranteed destruction at the hands of the Bandera bastards ??? These people, who made the decision to surrender the Russian city and knew in advance what would happen to its Russian citizens, were not involved at all? They have no shame, no responsibility, no guilt???
    1. Ghost1
      Ghost1 22 November 2022 18: 59
      +4
      In-in, correctly said, our rulers are to blame for what is happening there now.
    2. Dingo
      Dingo 22 November 2022 21: 24
      +3
      They have no shame, no responsibility, no guilt???

      I've said this anecdote before:
      "In the war between Kherson and Courchevel, Courchevel won"...
  19. gafovec
    gafovec 22 November 2022 18: 56
    +3
    What else was supposed to be? After Bucha, Balakleya and much more?
  20. gafovec
    gafovec 22 November 2022 18: 57
    +2
    And how now to declare "With Russia forever!"? Who will believe?
  21. Old Horseradish
    Old Horseradish 22 November 2022 19: 00
    +1
    And Romka Abramovich was returned the loot, and even added. This death under torture and these creatures loot.
  22. Dmitry_Markin
    Dmitry_Markin 22 November 2022 19: 05
    +2
    Responsibility lies with those who left people to their fate.
  23. Michael
    Michael 22 November 2022 19: 09
    +1
    Leaving a disloyal population in the frontline zone is a common mistake. Only slowly, but steadily squeeze out into the reservation, if there are not enough resources for immediate destruction.
  24. Jsem_CZEKO68
    Jsem_CZEKO68 22 November 2022 19: 16
    0
    I know, I get good advice from the PC.. Probably, it will be necessary to return to Kherson soon and release those whom the Banderaites have not yet shot.
  25. wladimirjankov
    wladimirjankov 22 November 2022 19: 44
    +3
    Fascists they are fascists. Everything is clear with them, but what can I say about our command, which surrendered Kherson without a fight and left the Russian people living there to be torn to pieces. But they were told that the city would always be Russian and would not be abandoned.
  26. Ural resident
    Ural resident 22 November 2022 19: 59
    +3
    I wonder if ours, when they return to these territories again, will they somehow punish those who handed over Russian people to the Gestapo?
    1. Kurganets-45
      Kurganets-45 23 November 2022 12: 50
      0
      very hard to believe, as they say, what happens in Vegas stays in Vegas. In general, we do not like to remember the past, only if it does not concern money and assets.
  27. Alexander Salenko
    Alexander Salenko 22 November 2022 20: 11
    +1
    Yesterday, on TV, the Crimean politician Knyrik said that a relative of their friends simply took them to a water cart to a village where there was no running water. but the pumping station was under the control of Russian soldiers - they killed, that's all, separatist.
  28. Metallurg_2
    Metallurg_2 22 November 2022 20: 18
    -2
    It was they who were the gunners for the Armed Forces of Ukraine, while the Russian garrison was stationed in the city

    Was it not fate immediately after the occupation of the city - to remove all means of communication from the civilian population?
    1. Kronos
      Kronos 22 November 2022 20: 31
      +1
      Yeah, all computers, phones, laptops and so on should be confiscated. Now is not 1941 when it was only necessary to remove the radio.
      1. Metallurg_2
        Metallurg_2 22 November 2022 20: 52
        -4
        With the proper approach to business, you can remove every single gadget.
  29. Dingo
    Dingo 22 November 2022 21: 14
    +1
    One of these messages is published by the Ukrainian telegram channel of the Strana publication.

    This video was posted on our resource "Russian Spring".
    Due to hacker attacks on the resource, the link is opened only through a search in Yandex:

    https://rusvesna.su/news/1669122574

    And here is another video of how a young man cracks down on an elderly woman in a subway car, or a commuter train:

    https://rusvesna.su/news/1669124172

    Who here tells stories about the so-called. "fraternal people"?
    1. Polkanov
      Polkanov 23 November 2022 07: 43
      0
      ...we are responsible for those we have tamed. Painfully long they grazed without a shepherd and a barn.
  30. Altmann
    Altmann 23 November 2022 00: 12
    +4
    They are just Ukrainians. I have enough friends from Russia, not all of them are Russian by nationality, but they are honest people. I had friends, his mother was Ukrainian, and he really showed himself to be Ukrainian, a big disappointment for me. Ukrainians are returning to their old habits of betrayal, always betraying for some benefit. But you will return to Kherson! am
  31. Dmitry Tsarevich
    Dmitry Tsarevich 23 November 2022 00: 53
    +2
    You might think that if the Armed Forces of Ukraine enter Rostov and Krasnodar, it will not be the same, there are a lot of waiting people who will gladly shoot Russians themselves. So they are not Russian brothers.
  32. Chervony Biker
    Chervony Biker 23 November 2022 02: 08
    +4
    A video that has spread around many social networks with the arrest, and possibly with the subsequent execution of a married couple - who accepted Russia, who believed Russia.
    Who is to blame for this, who did not bother to explain to these people what awaits them after the return of the coming out Nazis? I am sure that the society will definitely find out. By name. And he will ask from everyone who "used" these people, and then left them.
    But I want to talk about something else....
    How do we deal with those who are "Bandera"?
    With those who, in Kherson and Kupyansk, given over to the fascists, poking with a finger, led the executioners to the gate of their neighbor?
    With those who are now writing denunciations in occupied Odessa? Not because the crazy ideas of Stepan Andreevich sunk into his rotten soul. Simply because squealing in fascist Ukraine is a profitable business.
    They are miserable, do they really believe in the "peremoga" coming out of the Reich?
    And why are we better, if every now and then we discuss how, after the defeat of the junta, to re-educate this human slag? Humanism smoothly turning into idiocy!
    We will read Pushkin to them and their children, the monuments to which even the Nazis did not touch during the Patriotic War.?
    Can we tell you about the great history and great achievements that turned out to be on the shoulder of our ancestors? (Although who are the ancestors of the Banded Geeks remains to be seen.)
    How many years will it take?
    Will the children of those who killed Donbass and wiped their feet on Russian Odessa study together at school? Sneering and mocking the city, without any sense. Just driven by their complexes and natural bestiality.
    How much more will have to be taken from the Russian people in order to save the "lost souls" of those who rejoice at the SBU shmon in the Kyiv Lavra?
    Someone thinks that for this it is enough to give such an animal a Russian passport? Well, as an indulgence.
    Let's start with the passport.
    In my opinion it is NECESSARY to DESERVE!
    Participation in hostilities on the side of anti-fascist forces.
    Personal guarantee, citizens of the Russian Federation. who personally know the applicant for citizenship.
    Of course, they can count on and receive citizenship - those who suffered and were repressed by the junta for their anti-fascist position.
    You can continue further. There are still grounds for trusting a person and his sincere desire to become part of the Russian World.
    But I repeat once again - just like that, no one should receive a passport of a Russian citizen in the liberated territories!
    For everyone else, let there be certificates. With which everything is possible, except for work in any state bodies, in the education system, a delay in suffrage and much more that does not allow you to get closer to the heart and brain of the Russian state. But at the same time, such a transitional status should not infringe on the vital needs of a person.
    Next question. Against the backdrop of the exchanges of "Azov" and other war criminals, it's even embarrassing to start discussing.
    But I am sure that life itself and our enemies will correct our attacks of philanthropy.
    There will be a huge number of people who, if not themselves, stained themselves with blood. Then they sent them to "bloody earnings" in the Armed Forces of Ukraine and the national battalions - their husbands, sons.
    Those who volunteered for the benefit of the Wehrmacht's coming out.
    Who, in an animal, Rogul grin, told where and who should go ...
    Personally, among my friends, neighbors, and just among those whom I know where to find... Typed in a couple of freight cars.
    Who is going to live with them? On the same staircase? In the same house? On the same street? Or in one city and in one country?
    This is clearly a bad idea.
    For them, their bloody insane Ukraine is over.
    For them, there should be no earth, no air, no sun next to us.
    Let theirs "Maidan" dream come true - life in Europe or in the backyards of Lviv, should be the NEEDED finale of the life path and efforts "for the glory" of coming out-fascism.
    We are all on this side. Whom they hate fiercely - they have earned the right to LIVE AMONG THEIR.
  33. Bingo
    Bingo 23 November 2022 02: 29
    +1
    Elki-palke, the first concentration camp in Europe-Thalerhof. The current Western Holopia. Do you think the Austrians were looking for some pro-Russian citizens? Yes, fig there, there were more denunciations than the population according to the census, the slave mentality - the main thing is that the neighbor should be worse than you, there is just a habit of knocking and slandering. Once again - this is not even about Ukrainians, it's just banal envy. He has a stone fence in the photo, dear, but I don’t have it - he’s in the SBU, you bastard! Even if he jumped above all on the Maidan. And the Einsatzkommandos are also happy - who is better to rob?
  34. ilya.muromczev2013
    ilya.muromczev2013 23 November 2022 03: 50
    -6
    Who wanted to - ALL GONE. There were either supporters of the independent, or those who considered themselves "neither ours nor yours." Well, there you go...
    1. Mordvin 3
      Mordvin 3 23 November 2022 04: 02
      +2
      Quote: ilya.muromczev2013
      Who wanted to - ALL GONE.

      Do you know how the evacuation went? Tell me.
    2. Polkanov
      Polkanov 23 November 2022 07: 46
      0
      ... infa you where? BNS? Grandma said in two. There is something to eat, let's eat together. No - a retired goat drummer...
    3. Stoler
      Stoler 23 November 2022 15: 09
      0
      Yes, they did not believe, with pomp and pathos, attached and taken "under the wing", NEW RUSSIANS that ours would really throw a RUSSIAN CITY! DON'T BELIEVE!!!
  35. Sawa
    Sawa 23 November 2022 08: 10
    0
    Here it is, the whole essence. These photos show you, there is nothing more to say .. I don’t know how to add a photo ...
  36. Master 2030
    Master 2030 23 November 2022 08: 42
    +4
    What were you waiting for? Well Russia came "forever" and defended.
  37. Horn
    Horn 23 November 2022 11: 00
    0
    "An interesting point. The Kherson region is part of the Russian Federation, respectively, the territory of the region occupied by the Ukrainian military is considered occupied. According to Russian laws, local residents who cooperate with the occupiers are considered traitors and are subject to criminal prosecution. Moreover, because of their actions they torture and killing citizens of Russia"
    - So what? "We do not abandon our own," you want to say? So simply in the next televised address they will promise to re-promise what was promised and "to understand and forgive." And that's it. "She drowned"...
  38. decimalegio
    decimalegio 23 November 2022 11: 20
    0
    Question: when Russian troops entered Ukraine, they did not do the same???. If you capture the city, what will you do???? 1) look for possible agitators who can give you problems. Perhaps you can ask local employees who they are. 2) Find lists of gun owners and proceed with the seizure of weapons. This part does not apply to some countries such as Afghanistan. lol

  39. ISKANDER_61
    ISKANDER_61 23 November 2022 11: 46
    0
    And what will the guarantor and his henchmen report on this. They framed people, threw them out and stuck their tongues in their asses. Shameful creatures. Jude. Traitors.
  40. alexey_444
    alexey_444 23 November 2022 12: 18
    0
    Dostoevsky, as always, is right about man as an imperfect being. In Afghanistan, one village knocked on another, so they settled scores with neighbors with the help of our army. It's a pity for people.
  41. Viktor Sergeev
    Viktor Sergeev 23 November 2022 12: 24
    0
    Well, that's just what the Nazis do. The Poles handed over the Jews like that.
  42. Stoler
    Stoler 23 November 2022 15: 01
    0
    Depending on what is happening in the territories "liberated" and abandoned by Russia, soon, at each liberated settlement, the entire civilian population will be met with pitchforks and axes, forbidding them to enter. Otherwise, they come and go and disentangle them. request