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"More visibility and comfort than in the T-72": Czech tankers change to Leopard 2

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"More visibility and comfort than in the T-72": Czech tankers change to Leopard 2

The Czech military, having transferred the T-72 MBT to the Kyiv regime, in return will receive 2023 Leopard 14A2 and one Mergepanzer armored vehicle from German stocks until the beginning of 4. Meanwhile, at the training ground of the Bundeswehr in Münster, tankers are being trained. For training purposes, a special machine is used, which is equipped with a transparent cockpit that rises above the gun, and is said to be technically equivalent to the Leopard 2A4.


As a driver, I have much more freedom of movement, visibility and comfort than in the T-72

- said the Czech tanker.

According to him, in Germany, he and his comrades for the first time were able to drive along the highway:

At home, we use armored vehicles on public roads only in exceptional cases.



Eight Czech tankers took German training courses. Now they will share the acquired skills with their colleagues at home. The German Ministry of Defense hopes that as a result, the Czech army will completely say goodbye to Soviet equipment, switching to German products:

The Czech Republic plans to exchange its entire T-72 fleet for the Leopard 2 in the medium term, in the A7 version common in Germany.

The need to switch to German Tanks due to the task of unifying technology according to NATO standards. Given the state of affairs in Germany itself, the Bundeswehr may soon need to take courses on managing new equipment - Abrams tanks.
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  1. Cananecat
    Cananecat 22 November 2022 18: 17
    +14
    Given the state of affairs in Germany itself, the Bundeswehr may soon need to take courses on managing new equipment - Abrams tanks.

    I think Krauss-Maffei Wegmann will still fight for the Leopards, not everything is so bad in the German kingdom.
    1. Igor Markin
      Igor Markin 22 November 2022 21: 23
      -8
      little snag! the Russians have titanium, and without it, why pour armor for Loe?
      1. Cananecat
        Cananecat 22 November 2022 23: 08
        +5
        Quote: Igor Markin
        the Russians have titanium, and without it, why pour armor for Loe?

        Firstly, not only among the Russians, and secondly, no one bothers them to pay it in rubles.
        1. Igor Markin
          Igor Markin 23 November 2022 04: 57
          +9
          this is the whole essence of the Russian government, we will trade with hostile countries even for euros, even for rubles, even for beads.
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      2. Woroshilow
        Woroshilow 24 November 2022 16: 38
        0
        It’s not entirely clear, but what does titanium have to do with it, I don’t see the connection?
  2. Mstivoy
    Mstivoy 22 November 2022 18: 18
    -30
    If not for the evil Stalin, the Russians could now drink Bavarian and ride comfortable Leopard 2A4.
    1. Alexander_Snegirev
      Alexander_Snegirev 22 November 2022 18: 36
      +40
      Quote: Mstivoy
      Russians drink Bavarian and ride comfortable Leopard 2A4.

      I studied the Ost plan, where the utilization of the population for soap and lampshades. There is nothing about Bavarian and sausages... Do not mislead content consumers.
      1. Mstivoy
        Mstivoy 22 November 2022 18: 49
        +15
        Is it really not clear that this was a banter about the "comfortable" Leopard and, in general, the "comfortable" life in geyropks?
        1. Irokez
          Irokez 22 November 2022 19: 30
          +16
          At least put your post in quotation marks.
          At the current time, not only everyone, but also some will not understand.
        2. Former soldier
          Former soldier 22 November 2022 21: 26
          +17
          Is it really not clear that this was a banter about the "comfortable" Leopard and, in general, the "comfortable" life in geyropks?

          It's bad with banter here. And Stalin was a good guy. Churchill proposed to destroy Germany as a state and, in my opinion, even to settle around the world, and to divide the territory. But Stalin did not. But Scholz and fellow countrymen do not appreciate it at all. So do good to people after that. sad
          1. matsur
            matsur 23 November 2022 00: 02
            +7
            Quote: Former soldier
            Is it really not clear that this was a banter about the "comfortable" Leopard and, in general, the "comfortable" life in geyropks?

            It's bad with banter here. And Stalin was a good guy. Churchill proposed to destroy Germany as a state and, in my opinion, even to settle around the world, and to divide the territory. But Stalin did not. But Scholz and fellow countrymen do not appreciate it at all. So do good to people after that. sad

            Why do good when not asked? The Americans of the Japanese were flogged twice with a nuclear rod, so they are still silk.
          2. Woroshilow
            Woroshilow 24 November 2022 16: 41
            0
            Churchill did not offer this, but he offered the Americans a different plan, called "The Unthinkable", there is documentary evidence, you can familiarize yourself with it at your leisure.
            1. Former soldier
              Former soldier 24 November 2022 17: 41
              0
              Churchill did not offer this, but he offered the Americans a different plan, called "The Unthinkable", there is documentary evidence, you can familiarize yourself with it at your leisure.

              So there were suggestions. And about the "unthinkable" I knew 50 years ago.
            2. Former soldier
              Former soldier 24 November 2022 18: 11
              0
              Quite sensible for that time, the basis for the liquidation of Germany as a state was that it was declared its culprit after WWI. She was terribly pinched on territories and reparations, a bunch of restrictions were introduced, but nevertheless she started the 2nd MV. That is why there were serious and reasonable proposals to close the German question in Europe forever, given the atrocities of the Nazis in the occupied territories and especially their plans for the existence of certain nations.
              Ps I don’t go to Wikipedia for every sneeze to compare my memory with it. sad
              1. Woroshilow
                Woroshilow 24 November 2022 19: 02
                0
                Roosevelt suggested breaking up Germany into five separate states, by 1943 Churchill's opinion in the camp of the allies was not very interested in anyone. As a result of the war, Germany as a Nazi state was destroyed and Japan as a militaristic one, two new states appeared in its place and not five, as the Anglo-Saxons wanted. I think you understand that this happened because of the emerging new global confrontation between capitalist countries and socialist countries. camps. About the bloody atrocities that you indicate as the main reasons for the destruction of Germany, the capitalist camp of the countries did not care at all, otherwise how can one explain the fact that the main beneficiaries, the main beneficiaries of the ongoing war, introduced the German bourgeoisie and the Japanese Zaibatsu still feel great, moreover they have now grown into gigantic multi-billion dollar corporations. No one judged them or punished them for their deeds. And yes, as you wrote above, you hung all the dogs on the Higher Military-Political Leadership of Germany and Japan, which actually carried out the will of the owners of factories, newspapers, steamships.
                1. Former soldier
                  Former soldier 24 November 2022 19: 16
                  0
                  About the bloody atrocities that you indicate as the main reasons for the destruction of Germany, the capitalist camp of the countries did not care at all,

                  I have no doubts about the Slavs, but there was also the Holocaust, and this phenomenon had a special status.
        3. Reklastik
          Reklastik 23 November 2022 06: 30
          +2
          Far from ordinary writers can convey sarcasm in text and context, it is really a complex art. But I'm glad that people react clearly and massively to such "jokes", shoot from a minus launcher at them - which means they haven't lost their bearings)
      2. VPK-65
        VPK-65 22 November 2022 20: 27
        +10
        Quote: Alexander_Snegirev
        I studied the Ost plan, where the utilization of the population for soap and lampshades. There is nothing about Bavarian and sausages ...
        About "Bavarian and sausages" is very well shown in the video:
        For doubters or Welcome to the 4th Reich:

        https://youtu.be/UcE2R1PFtsM
        1. Askold65
          Askold65 22 November 2022 21: 00
          +4
          Such videos should be shown to our "wrestlers" with "victory-madness". And it's better to start right from the schools, while the liberda has not yet been defiled by children's brains.
          1. Mstivoy
            Mstivoy 22 November 2022 21: 17
            +6
            Are you really that naive? Do you think the one who spreads Western vulgarity, and not only Western, but vulgarity in general, does not know what he is doing here (in Russia)? You can’t get away with patriotic videos here, you need the most severe censorship, at least like in Chechnya, but it’s already necessary to clean it at the top, who finances STS, TNT, Morgenstern, Milokhin, Monetochka, the greyhound Pugachev with her young husband, the Kirkorovs, Miladze who kept this whole Caudle for whose money? Do you know that the BI-2 group has concerts in Russia scheduled for 2023, I remind you that these singers are against the NWO and nothing ... they plan to make money in Russia, and so every mongrel who dumped and barks from behind a hillock will return and will chop loot in Russia, and along the way, pouring shit on everyone around quite openly.
            1. Askold65
              Askold65 22 November 2022 21: 35
              +5
              One does not interfere. About the "Bavarian" still the Soviet "fartsa" composed and dreamed. Then there was no STS, TNT and Pugacheva did not blather. There was a "golden youth" from among the children of the nomenklatura. But the majority of the population of the USSR was brought up just on films about the Second World War. And it is they who are now fighting in the Donbas. And today's youth is just a misfortune.
              1. Mstivoy
                Mstivoy 22 November 2022 21: 51
                +1
                Have you heard about how Khrushchev fought Stalin's empire? So here, the aspirations of the ordinary working people of the USSR, in order to improve the quality of life, are not harmful in themselves, but in this case, Khrushchev’s opinion about Stalin’s “architectural excesses” is sabotage for the cultural development of society. That is, you should not underestimate the requirements of people, so that they would not then look like sheep at "chewing gum and jeans" by 1991. Now let's get back to today, you mentioned the kids of the nomenklatura, but Morgenstern's listeners and blogger Milokhin's subscribers are children from completely simple working families.
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                2. Askold65
                  Askold65 23 November 2022 10: 54
                  +1
                  Quote: Mstivoy
                  the aspirations of the common working people of the USSR to improve the quality of life are not harmful in themselves,

                  This is the material side of the issue, but the moral side is much more important. If the first problem is solved by honest work, then the second one is solved by educational and propaganda methods. This set of measures still needs to include the physical development of citizens. Both for their health and for readiness for LABOR and DEFENSE. Today's youth have no desire to work, study, or play sports. And about the education of patriots and speech is no longer.
                  Quote: Mstivoy
                  Now let's get back to today, you mentioned the kids of the nomenklatura, but Morgenstern's listeners and blogger Milokhin's subscribers are children from completely simple working families.

                  I, too, in my youth was fond of the music of Western performers. But this did not affect my attitude towards veterans and my readiness to defend their country just like THEY did. I, relatively speaking, with a light heart would have pressed the button to launch a nuclear missile that destroyed an enemy country, along with my favorite performers, from some Liverpool. Because I grew up on films about the Second World War, and everyone who dared to challenge the heroism of my grandfathers automatically became enemies for me.
                  1. Mstivoy
                    Mstivoy 23 November 2022 11: 12
                    +1
                    I share your heartfelt impulse, but do you realize that there are people who are much better than you in managing the masses (I'm not talking about myself) and that personally your experience of listening to foreign performers "without consequences" is not indicative as such? We have a precedent, color revolutions! Let me remind you that at the moment people are betraying their homeland not for "jeans and chewing gum", but precisely ideologically preferring the Western cultural model of behavior, that is, if the Beatles and Dipperple allegedly did not affect you, etc., then the current generation is influenced not so much material, how much "cultural" influence of the West, catch the difference and dissonance of your comment regarding yourself and today's youth.
                    1. Askold65
                      Askold65 23 November 2022 12: 40
                      0
                      Quote: Mstivoy
                      .....and that your personal experience of listening to foreign performers "without consequences" is not indicative as such?

                      Is. Because it's not just about me, but about my generation. We all grew up on the same cartoons, on the same films about the war, went in for sports, went to discos, fought with guys from the neighboring area. But no one had a question: to go to serve in the Army or not? Almost all served. And everyone understood why this was necessary, and everyone (or most) were ready for this mentally and physically. Our parents were ready for this. They were proud of us. And we are our grandfathers.

                      Quote: Mstivoy
                      Let me remind you that at the moment people are betraying their homeland not for "jeans and chewing gum", but precisely ideologically preferring the Western cultural model of behavior, that is, if the Beatles and Dipperple allegedly did not affect you, etc., then the current generation is influenced not so much material, how much "cultural" influence of the West, catch the difference and dissonance of your comment regarding yourself and today's youth.

                      There is no dissonance. The cultural influence of the West went on even then. Through imported clothes, music and rare Western films at the box office, for which queues lined up. But the strongest began when the video came.
                      Now everything is the same, only even more accessible - branded clothes and gadgets, window dressing of "successful people" on the Ferrari, their yachts and real estate on the Cote d'Azur. And freaks from Western show business and other riffraff are just another trend, tomorrow they will come up with another one. Today's young people have other claims - they were just born, and the state already owes them - why weren't they provided with a life as beautiful and beautiful as in the West? And the fact that they also have to do something, and not for the "state", but for the country, does not occur to them. Or they haven’t been drummed into it since childhood.
                      And it is through this paradigm that the idea is broadcast to them - you need to overthrow the current state and you will live like in the West. It worked out in Ukraine.
                      People, first of all, go for a better life, and not join someone else's culture. This is well known in the example of the Muslim diasporas in Europe - provide us with a well-fed life, and shove your culture into yourself ..... you know where.
          2. VPK-65
            VPK-65 22 November 2022 23: 52
            +2
            Quote: Askold65
            And it's better to start right from the schools, while the liberda has not yet been defiled by children's brains.
            Some kind of seventh sense tells me that the last seconds of the video will probably not be obvious to them. I would add credits at the end of the video:
            “If earlier they tried to help a person in trouble as quickly as possible, now they are trying to quickly remove this trouble on the phone in order to get more views”
      3. Archimedos
        Archimedos 23 November 2022 09: 39
        +2
        The Ost plan didn't work. Instead, for 50 years, they developed a different plan, simply to destroy and scatter to ashes the male part of the population of Eastern Europe ... and I must say, somewhere it even works out. Well, it’s like it was necessary to drive a wedge into our heads in 30 years that we are at war with our relatives ... my grandfather was from the Nikolaev region ... my grandmother is from Khmelnitsky, my uncle lived in the north all his life ... And now, as at 16 century... Muscovites, Ukrainians... sad. Still, society is deteriorating.
    2. Aaron Zawi
      Aaron Zawi 22 November 2022 19: 21
      +5
      Quote: Mstivoy
      If not for the evil Stalin, the Russians could now drink Bavarian and ride comfortable Leopard 2A4.

      This is an outdated model. 27A1 with KAZ and the new SLA, this is the modern Leo.

  3. Silver99
    Silver99 22 November 2022 18: 26
    +1
    Not new, the “tigers” were also better in comfort than the KV or IS, but they were inferior in terms of firepower and maneuverability, the T-34 is not a different class of armored vehicles, but the calculation of Soviet designers was different, how long does armored vehicles live on the battlefield? two-three-four attacks, so why do something that will soon be disposed of. And let the Czechs cut through the autobahns on their "leopards".
    1. Ulan.1812
      Ulan.1812 22 November 2022 18: 36
      0
      And they crush peaceful Czechs ... There is nothing for them to drive cars on autobahns. lol
    2. bdfy_bdfy
      bdfy_bdfy 22 November 2022 19: 10
      +11
      Quote from Silver99
      Not new, the "tigers" were also better than the KV or IS in terms of comfort, but they were inferior in terms of firepower and maneuverability,

      Well, in terms of maneuverability, the Tiger and especially the Panther were not inferior to the IS, and even more so the KV, which generally had serious problems with mobility, like the early T34s, the long-barreled 75mm gun of the Panther and Pz IV exceeded the 76.2 mm T34 in terms of armor penetration, and if the IS2 was superior in high-explosive effects 88mm Tiger, the armor penetration of the Tiger was no worse, thanks to the sub-caliber shells perfect at that time, and the rate of fire was higher thanks to the unitary shell. Why do many consider the comfort of a combat vehicle as some kind of excess ?, in battle it is not comfort, but conditions for a long stay during a battle, in an ambush, on the march, this significantly increases the combat capabilities of the crew, and on the contrary, the absence of them reduces them.
      1. Alf
        Alf 22 November 2022 19: 32
        +2
        Quote from: bdfy_bdfy
        thanks to the perfect at that time sub-caliber shells

        During the entire war, the Germans fired 16900 sub-caliber shells. Tigers were produced in 1354 pieces. We consider. 16900 divided by 1354, we get 12 shells for each Tiger. For the whole war. Not much...
        1. yaglon
          yaglon 22 November 2022 21: 08
          0
          State? The number of sub-caliber shells was measured in tens of millions. Read Shirokorad, he is a big fan of ammunition.
          1. Alf
            Alf 22 November 2022 21: 56
            +1
            Quote: yaglon
            State? The number of sub-caliber shells was measured in tens of millions. Read Shirokorad, he is a big fan of ammunition.

            For 8-8 ? Well, well .. Show me where Shirokorad has these tens of millions?
      2. Alexander Salenko
        Alexander Salenko 22 November 2022 20: 07
        +1
        The best tank is the one that is. I don’t care what kind of tanks my country has if the enemy has them and next to me they don’t. There are T-60 and T-70, except that they compete with the very first panzers, but they did a lot, the Germans called them indestructible locusts.
        1. bdfy_bdfy
          bdfy_bdfy 22 November 2022 20: 19
          0
          Quote: Alexander Salenko
          T-60 and T-70

          they built the T80 for some time, it was the crown of light tanks, but then on their chassis, at three factories they began to build the Su 76 (bare ... ferdinand), as they were dubbed in the troops.
      3. dnestr74
        dnestr74 22 November 2022 21: 15
        0
        Comfort costs money, and when there is a war, it is important to cheaply make up for losses in technology.
        1. culinary
          culinary 23 November 2022 00: 16
          +1
          Quote: dnestr74
          Comfort costs money, and when there is a war, it is important to cheaply make up for losses in technology.

          Iron can be restored. What about crews?
          People are born after 9 months. Then they grow up for a long time, study ... And it’s not a fact that they will become tankers ...
          Maybe they just want to live.
          1. Losyara
            Losyara 23 November 2022 10: 04
            -1
            Maybe. That is why it is necessary to quickly produce inexpensive and reliable equipment. There is no time for comfort when the question is about survival.
        2. dementor873
          dementor873 24 November 2022 03: 24
          0
          Today, all weapons are demanding on the level of training of soldiers. To put 4 people today in the T-72 with its bells and whistles and in the T-34 the difference is orders of magnitude. How to manage Katyusha and tornado, sir. I’m generally silent about the air defense system, and everything that floats and flies too. You can’t win much today with soldiers alone. The example of Ukraine is indicative. We retreated - yes, redeployed - yes. But what is their number and ours was all this time.
    3. Sedoy
      Sedoy 22 November 2022 21: 09
      +1
      two-three-four attacks, so why do something that will soon be disposed of

      well that's how to say...
      irretrievable losses are 4-5 times less than simply wrecked ones that are being repaired ...
      and given the German "rembaza" at the forefront - those companies, the percentage of return was high ...
      they had 43-year-old tanks that ended the war at 45 in Berlin ...
      don't throw away valuables...
      1. Glory1974
        Glory1974 23 November 2022 10: 07
        -1
        German tanks are more difficult to manufacture, so it was cheaper to repair. Our tanks are simple in production, it is more difficult and more expensive to take them to the factory and repair them.
        Different systems, so the results are different.
        1. Sedoy
          Sedoy 24 November 2022 21: 47
          0
          Yes, ours were simpler then and now ...
          but this is not about that - it's about the organization of remrot - if you ask, you will find out that our those companies of that time are the "chisel-sledgehammer" level, and the German ones are a complete set of equipment, machine tools and equipment (tractor-tugs-cranes and etc.)...
          therefore, they rarely sent them to the factory for repairs - everything was within the front ...
          ours were also rarely sent - simply due to the "chisel-repairability" of the T-34 ...
          but here’s the engine, they couldn’t fix it anymore - there was simply nothing to even remove it with - there was no beam crane, unlike the German techies ...
  4. Plesiosaur
    Plesiosaur 22 November 2022 18: 44
    0
    A strange comparison of the T-72 (the Czechs obviously have the oldest modifications) with the Leopard 2A4. Then take the new T-90M Proryv tanks or the Armata T-14 in general. There we will look at the outlook and comfort. In general, do not care about comfort, the main thing is the survivability of the tank and the safety of the crew.
    1. Igor Markin
      Igor Markin 22 November 2022 21: 22
      0
      comparing the banal, the presence of a toilet, the T-14 has just appeared, and there it has been for a long time ...
      1. Glory1974
        Glory1974 23 November 2022 10: 08
        +1
        I doubt that the presence of a toilet in a combat vehicle radically changes comfort. The BMD-4 also has a toilet, but no one uses it, it can only come in handy in a nuclear war.
  5. withoutreverse
    withoutreverse 22 November 2022 19: 05
    +12
    But it’s impossible for our Defense Ministry .. to transfer the old T-72s to the Armed Forces of Ukraine, and get new "Leopards" in offset)
  6. -ш-
    -ш- 22 November 2022 19: 11
    +2
    and who prevented you from adding comfort after so many years as you had them
  7. agoran
    agoran 22 November 2022 19: 25
    -2
    14 Leopard 2A4, fourteen. Read again.
    There are 14000 tanks in Russia, 1200 in all of Europe. Czechs, no one will spare your capital at present. Ashes and a pile of bricks. Ask the Germans where the mountain near ZOO comes from.
    1. yaglon
      yaglon 22 November 2022 21: 15
      +7
      To take Prague, you must first take Avdiivka.
  8. Dante77
    Dante77 22 November 2022 20: 08
    +4
    You can’t argue. Anyone who has ever sat in the T-72 in the driver’s seat knows that it’s really not a very good view from him. You only see forward and what’s going on on the sides is a big mystery to you. Even the Chinese in their last dances decided it differently, I would say better.
    1. marswell
      marswell 22 November 2022 20: 23
      -1
      ... in their LAST tanks they decided it differently ... and the T-72 is something from the last or somehow early
  9. SkyMaXX
    SkyMaXX 22 November 2022 21: 01
    0
    It's their business. I like it, and it's good. The main thing is not to go anywhere
  10. yaglon
    yaglon 22 November 2022 21: 12
    0
    The photo is not 2A4, and the Czechs are given not 2A4, but 2A7 +, and this is a serious car.
    1. smart fellow
      smart fellow 23 November 2022 03: 14
      0
      Czechs are given not 2A4, but 2A7+

      According to the German Ministry of Defense, at the first stage, 14 Leopard-2A4 battle tanks and one armored recovery vehicle will be sent to the Czech Republic.
      https://www.dw.com/ru/chehija-poluchit-pervye-tanki-leopard-2-uzhe-v-jetom-godu/a-61871785
  11. Losyara
    Losyara 23 November 2022 10: 01
    0
    History is cyclical. There were more amenities in the Tigers too. But in Berlin T34 was dissected
  12. John22
    John22 23 November 2022 13: 12
    +1
    If you put the same number of rear-view mirrors on the T-72, then you can ride it comfortably on the autobahn. Let him try with closed hatches and through the mud in the slush, but under fire. Comfortable?
    1. dementor873
      dementor873 24 November 2022 03: 28
      0
      Somewhere today I read about the use of a UAV on a tank by one of the crew members when evacuating their own in a minefield and responding to threats from ours. Without him, they wouldn't even bother.
  13. Architect
    Architect 23 November 2022 21: 20
    0
    Quote: glory1974
    German tanks are more difficult to manufacture, so it was cheaper to repair. Our tanks are simple in production, it is more difficult and more expensive to take them to the factory and repair them.
    Different systems, so the results are different.

    In the conditions of a full-scale war, a massive type of weaponry is always required, whether it is riflemen, aviation, or a tank. These unique and comfortable tanks in single quantities will not decide the outcome of a battle against a dozen enemy tanks, albeit less comfortable ones.
  14. Grossvater
    Grossvater 24 November 2022 12: 29
    0
    EU-but! They compare a 40 ton tank with a 60 ton one.
  15. AG-76
    AG-76 24 November 2022 14: 11
    0
    With such a cost of energy and resources, the German "cats" will be golden ...
    Well, what can you not do for the sake of the idea of ​​abandoning everything Soviet / Russian, even to the detriment of yourself ...
    Not their own blood authorities will spend on the purchase of German or American armored sheds (in the case of pawns) or aircraft, taxpayers will pay for everything. Nobody asks them...
  16. Sergey39
    Sergey39 24 November 2022 21: 24
    0
    Let the lovers of dumplings turn to the Turks, who will tell them how comfortable Leopards burn! They have a good precedent in clashes with the Kurds in the North of Syria!!!