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The myth of the "society of happiness" in the Third Reich

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The myth of the "society of happiness" in the Third Reich

One of the most enduring myths associated with history The Third Reich is a myth about the "society of happiness" in Germany, which arose under the rule of the National Socialist German Workers' Party. In Germany, the myth of creating “a beautiful, orderly, socially equitable world, which may still suffer from some flaws, but generally happy, beautiful world ...” (from Heinrich Himmler’s speech to the SS forces from 13 July 1941 of the year) .

In the propaganda brochures of "Hitler the Liberator", which were distributed in the occupied territories of the USSR, it was reported that under the "ingenious leadership of Adolf Hitler" and the "friendly work of the whole nation" Germany had become a flourishing and happy country. It was proposed to “believe Adolf Hitler and execute the orders of his appointed leaders” in order to live as well as the German people. The reality is very much at variance with the propaganda.

Obviously, good results were achieved in a number of areas in the Third Reich (especially in the military-industrial complex). However, it’s about the picture as a whole, and not about individual successes. So, just a year after Hitler came to power, about 100 thousand people, mostly members of the German Social-Democratic and Communist parties, fell into concentration camps. Of the 300 thousands of members of the Communist Party, more than half were under arrest. In the autumn of 1944, over a thousand KKE leaders and activists were seized and tortured. Priests and believers were subjected to serious repression. During the war years alone, 9 thousand cases were investigated against Catholics for anti-state activities, and thousand people were executed and tortured by 4.

These and other repressions were justified by the myth of the “society of happiness” that was created in Germany. Social democrats, communists, priests and monks were “enemies” because they hindered the construction of a “society of happiness.” Hitler at a meeting of the Reichstag 10 January 1939 of the year said that there can be no pity and compassion for the persecuted ministers of the Church, because they reflect the interests of the enemies of the German state.

How to create a "society of happiness" in Germany?

Eliminated unemployment, having entered general labor service with sending in labor camps. Already in 1933, thousands of people were sent to the construction of autobahns (wide motorways). They worked mostly without equipment, manual labor prevailed, payment was low, they lived in barracks. Industrial injuries were very high. The living conditions, work and injury rate did not actually differ from the construction sites of the GULAG in the USSR. Before the beginning of World War II, 3 thousand kilometers of roads were built. He headed the program for the construction of autobahns Fritz Todt. Later he became the head of the military construction organization (the Todt organization), which was engaged in the construction of important military facilities, railways and highways. It should be noted that the idea of ​​building new highways appeared as early as in the Weimar Republic: the Cologne-Bonn road with a length of 20 km was opened in August of the 1932 year.

26 June 1935 was introduced labor service for boys and girls 18-25 years. Authorities of their own arbitrariness could set as the number of contingent sent to labor camps, and the length of stay there. Before the outbreak of World War II, more than 2,8 million youths and girls went through labor camps. Basically, their work was used for the construction of transport communications and border fortifications, like the Western Wall (Siegfried Line) along the western border of the Third Reich from Luxembourg in the north to Switzerland in the south. Particularly interesting is the fact that girls are sent to work (young people in almost any society in one way or another perform various duties, such as serving in the army, working in construction teams, etc.), and constantly increasing their number in labor camps. So, by April 1939, there were already more than 800 camps, where the girls were serving labor service.

The work of girls was part of the system for educating women and was combined with training in housekeeping, physical culture and political activities. There was also a strict daily routine, a system of rituals and a uniform with insignia. Life in labor camps was "Spartan." So, the girls lived wooden barracks, with bunk beds and straw mattresses instead of mattresses. The work was very hard, "peasant", with the 8-hour working day. Since the beginning of World War II, the passage of 6-month labor service became mandatory, and in July 1941, it was decided that girls would go on a semi-annual auxiliary military service (QCD) immediately after their dismissal from the Imperial Service of Labor (RAD). Over the 12 years of being in power of the Nazis, 1 million young German women passed through the Imperial Labor Service.

The problem of food security. This problem in the Reich was pretty serious. Only in 1938, after the annexation of Austria with its economic potential (gold was also taken to Berlin), the General Commissioner for the Third Reich’s four-year development plan, Hermann Goering, said that from October 1 Germans will be able to buy white fresh bread (without admixture of corn flour) and will succeed reduce the percentage of bran in rye bread. The Germans experienced a constant shortage of butter and meat. Between 1927 and 1939 in working families in Germany, meat consumption decreased by 18%, fats - 37%, white bread - by 44%. The western neighbors of the Germans ate more meat, white bread, fruit, sugar and eggs. In Germany, they tried to replace these products with others and consumed more potatoes, cabbage, rye bread (with a significant admixture of bran), margarine, and fruit marmalade-ersatz.

Because of the shortage of products, Germans had to be supplied according to the rationing system, as during the war. So, from the beginning of 1937, cards for butter, margarine and lard were introduced. There was a rule for other products, in particular, for meat.

Researchers note that food problems in Germany were due to several reasons: the lack of southern colonies available to France and the UK (this made it possible to obtain a number of cheap products and raw materials), poor harvests, unsuccessful market regulation policies from the Imperial food class, rising prices for food on the world market with low currency reserves. In addition, the currency saved to send it to military programs. It is noted that in fact food problems have been programmed by the entire Nazi food policy since 1933. Having come to power, the NSDAP almost immediately sharply reduced purchases of food products, consumer goods and raw materials abroad. Currency began to be sent to the purchase of strategic raw materials. For example, the amount allocated for the purchase of butter abroad in one year was reduced from 106 million marks to 70 million. In the crisis year for the country 1932, Germany bought 4,4 million tons of food abroad; in 1934, they bought 3,2 million . tons, in 1935 year - 2,9 million tons. For the period from 1933 to 1939. the volume of purchases of wheat and eggs fell by a third, fat - three times. Almost completely stopped the purchase of fodder, as a result, the number of livestock in the Reich fell dramatically, thereby reducing the production of milk, meat and butter.

In September 1938, Goring reported, as a great achievement, about the abolition of cards for bread and some other products. However, a year later they had to be entered again. Introduced cards for food, soap, shoes, textiles and coal. For example, the norm for meat was 700 g per week, sugar - 280 g, cereal - 150 g, fat - 340 g, marmalade - 110 g, coffee or its substitutes - 56 g. When World War II began, rationing was issued on all kinds of goods. German citizens received weekly: meat - 450 g, bread - 2250 g, fat - 340 g, sugar - 340 g, coffee surrogate (made from barley) - 450 g, butter - 110 g, margarine - 100 g, cheese - 62,5 g and one egg. During the holidays, the norms increased slightly, so, for Christmas, four eggs were given instead of one and additional 100 of meat were given.

Capturing the countries of Europe, the occupiers subjected them to merciless plunder and impose a contribution on them. Only Denmark in the first year of occupation was supposed to supply 83 thousand tons of oil, about 257 thousand tons of meat, 60 thousand tons of eggs, 73 thousand tons of herring and other products. Such robberies allowed to temporarily improve the food situation in the Reich. The standards for issuing products temporarily increased.

By September 1941 of the year (the third year of the war), grain stocks came to an end. The rapid disappearance of food stocks and the difficulties in the occupied territories led to the fact that in 1941, the year had to resort to even more stringent restrictions. Even the successes in the Balkans did not help. The leaders of the Reich believed that the food crisis could only be overcome by breaking through to the food bases of the Soviet Union. This indicates the failure of the NSDAP food policy. The Nazis acknowledged that the only way to meet the needs of the population is to seize the "living space" in the East, to plunder the population of the USSR. 2 May 1941 at a meeting on targets in the war with the USSR, it was stated that the war should be continued only if in the third year of military operations all armed forces will be supplied with food from Russia. Otherwise, the Wehrmacht simply will have nothing to feed, as the population of Germany.

Providing Germany with food from the captured regions of the USSR was one of the main policies of the occupation administration in the East. There was a merciless robbery of the occupied Russian territories. At the same time, Goebbels noted: "We do not undertake any obligation to feed the Russian people with products from these areas of abundance." Thus, even the Nazis recognized that under the “bloody” Stalinist regime, the food situation in the USSR was better than in Germany. In September 1941, the German press announced the arrival of the first food echelons from the Soviet-occupied areas in Berlin. About a year later, the Reich Minister of the Eastern occupied territories, Alfred Rosenberg, reported on the arrival of a three thousandth echelon of food. Without these supplies, it was impossible to provide food supply to the population of the Third Reich during the war years. In 1941-1943 25 million tons of foodstuffs were shipped to Germany. The stocks stolen in the summer - autumn 1941 of the year in the USSR did not last long; in the spring of 1942, it was necessary to reduce the distribution of products by cards again.

This situation with foodstuffs had a very negative effect on the psychological state of the population, it was extremely oppressive to people. The security service reported discontent and envy of people towards other Europeans who ate better than the winners. In the spring of 1942, German citizens began sowing vegetable beds instead of flower beds and lawns near houses. On the verandas and balconies, people bred chickens, geese, ducks, and rabbits.

The situation was again temporarily improved in the autumn of 1942, when the grain harvest and meat of slaughtered cattle were removed from the Soviet Union. In the summer of 1943, the issue rates dropped again. In June, the 1943 of the year, the rates of issue of meat decreased by half, potatoes - three times (it was the basic food for the Germans). In the winter of 1944-1945. the daily rate of issue of food reached a minimum level, and in the spring of 1945, the regular supply of food to the population stopped altogether. 5 April 1945 was sent a directive on life “under the simplest conditions” around the departments of the Nazi Party, where people were recommended to switch to rapeseed, chestnuts, woody bark, coffee from acorns. Tips were given on collecting and eating wild plants, berries, roots, mushrooms, frogs, etc.

The problem of clothing and footwear. It should also be noted that soldiers from the occupied areas of Western Europe sent home packages not only with food, but also clothes and shoes. They were also given ration cards in the Reich, there was a constant shortage. Before the beginning of World War II, the Germans massively dressed in dresses made from cellulosic raw materials (artificial fabric derived from wood pulp). This was also due to the lack of financial resources that were used to purchase strategic raw materials, military technologies, and the development of military programs. Germany practically did not have its own cotton, wool and tanned leather were mainly imported from abroad. The following speaks very well about the situation in this area news. October 30 1939 was announced that only 5% of the population will be able to buy overshoes and bots. Available stocks were first of all issued to postmen, newspaper workers and street cleaners. In early November, 1939 of the year cards were introduced for shoes and clothes. Separate cards were for men, women, children and babies. On the card, everyone except babies received 100 coupons. For example, socks or stockings cost 5 coupons, but you could buy no more than 5 pairs per year. Pajamas cost 30 coupons, a suit or coat 60 coupons.

In Germany, there was a massive training of women "autarky". Various courses, exhibitions, brochures, magazines, posters were supposed to train women to make food from surrogate products, needlework, mending clothes and shoes at home, building a new piece of clothing from several old ones, etc.

In Goebbels diary for April - May 1941, it was noted that a catastrophic situation has developed in the footwear market. With the continuation of the war the situation only worsened. Since August 1942, coupons for textiles have been issued only to “bomb victims”. It is hard to believe in this situation, because it is known that the clothing and fabric manufacturing industry, the fashion industry, was one of the most developed industries in Germany between the two world wars.

Therefore, it is not surprising that during the occupation of any country, the German soldiers literally “demolished” not only food, but essential things, textile and shoe products. They had to think about family, relatives, friends in Germany. Thus, in the French cities, the invaders dared coffee, tea, chocolate, tobacco, alcohol, perfume, cosmetics, soap, underwear, silk stockings, etc. After the occupation, France Germany was literally inundated with silk stockings. In the Reich, there was no such abundance for a long time; real coffee or tobacco could only be dreamed of. In the winter of 1942, tobacco and cigarette cards were introduced. In Germany, there was a serious shortage of soap.

It must be said that in the Soviet and Russian films these problems of the Third Reich were bypassed. On the contrary, there was a good supply of German soldiers and officers (as we remember, at the expense of the occupied countries). Army supplied in the first place, while the population was in need. The films do not see long lines for food, clothing, shoes and other goods; German women in dresses from scraps of old clothes; making shoes using wooden and straw soles, etc.

The program failed - "Car for every family"announced in 1938 year. German workers paid tens of millions of marks for the cars offered to them, but by the beginning of the war Volkswagen’s factories built with their money were converted into military products. Simple Germans were simply deceived by collecting money from them for the “people's car”.

The housing program has also failed. The Nazis promised to provide each German with an apartment corresponding to their level of income. In the Weimar Republic in 1928-1930 on average, 313 units of thousands of new housing units were built. Then, due to the crisis, the level dropped to 141 thousand in 1932 year. From 1936-1937 the level of construction in the Reich rose to the level of the Weimar Republic 1928-1930. From 1938 (285 thousand) went down. And then a landslide: 1939 year - 206, 1940 - 105, 1941 - 62, 1944 - 30. In Berlin, in the years of the Weimar Republic, 230 thousand apartments were built, during the years of the NSDAP rule - 102 thousand (some of them were laid before the crisis, and then mothballed).

Behind the ceremonial picture of the Third Reich there was a catastrophic situation in the field of supplying the population, solving their immediate problems, there was a shortage of the most necessary goods for life.
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  1. Greyfox
    Greyfox 31 October 2012 08: 54
    +24
    Article plus-interesting facts. But looking at the "beer" youth 15-18 years old you begin to think that the idea of ​​labor camps is not so "fascist". You look half a year of work would have set someone's brains right ...
    1. Kaa
      Kaa 31 October 2012 10: 52
      +15
      Quote: Greyfox
      But looking at the "beer" youth 15-18 years old, you begin to think that the idea of ​​labor camps is not so "fascist"

      And Roosevelt practiced something similar at the same time in the United States, and both Russian problems are being solved - fools (getting smarter) and roads (being built). It’s worth considering ....
    2. Witch
      Witch 31 October 2012 11: 55
      +4
      In the 30s, in the USA, they fought unemployment and krzyzis in a similar way ... As a result, they got highways and a bunch of large agricultural enterprises were created a la state farms ....
      1. crazyrom
        crazyrom 31 October 2012 16: 52
        +5
        And in the United States today is the same society of happiness! This they show in their films, all so happy-happy-happy. But in fact - an ordinary police state. He said the wrong word - to prison. I didn’t pay a tax or a fine in 100 - the house will be taken away. I tried to make a manifestation against the government - you get a club, pepper gas in the eye, and the term. That is American happiness. No wonder more people are leaving the United States than they are coming there (for permanent residence).
        1. klimpopov
          klimpopov 31 October 2012 16: 54
          0
          Here is a reference, though old, but there is a lot of instructive, at least a comrade writes with emotions http://ladyfromrussia.com/karnaval/contra/fr_drstr.shtml
  2. Taratut
    Taratut 31 October 2012 08: 58
    +4
    These and other repressions were justified by the myth of the "society of happiness" that was created in Germany. The Social Democrats, Communists, priests and monks were "enemies", as they interfered with the construction of a "society of happiness."
    Something familiar.

    The Germans experienced a constant shortage of oil and meat.
    Poor. But are you not dead with hunger by millions?

    I must say that in Soviet and Russian films these problems of the Third Reich were bypassed. On the contrary, there was a good supply of German soldiers and officers (as we recall, at the expense of the occupied countries).
    This is within the framework of the theory of "all of Europe", which worked for Germany.

    In films, do not see long lines for food, clothing, shoes and other goods; German women in dresses from scraps of old clothes; making shoes with wooden and straw soles, etc.
    Soviet soldiers were stunned by how rich the Germans live.

    Ordinary Germans were simply deceived by collecting money from them for a “people's car”.
    It is a fact. They raised money, and the cars went to the needs of the army.

    Behind the parade of the Third Reich was a disastrous situation in the field of supplying the population, solving their pressing problems, there was a shortage of the most necessary goods for life
    Author, about the USSR, such a review can be ordered?
    1. klimpopov
      klimpopov 31 October 2012 10: 01
      +2
      Well, after the very first paragraph of the article, it is clear that the author wants to compare and even put on the same shelf the USSR and Hitler Germany!
      Author, about the USSR, such a review can be ordered?

      I’m embarrassed to ask how much does it cost to order an article now? Be fooled ...
      1. Taratut
        Taratut 31 October 2012 10: 15
        +1
        And so I already found something.
        http://topwar.ru/7696-snabzhenie-naseleniya-produktami-pitaniya-vo-vremya-veliko
        y-otechestvennoy-voyny.html # comment-id-677479
        1. klimpopov
          klimpopov 31 October 2012 10: 20
          0
          And I unsubscribed there.
      2. Ascetic
        Ascetic 31 October 2012 15: 28
        +3
        Quote: klimpopov
        I’m embarrassed to ask how much does it cost to order an article now? Be fooled ...


        Probably as much as PACE Resolution 1481 is an official document of the Council of Europe calling for the condemnation of crimes of totalitarian communist regimes. Adopted on January 25, 2006. Where the Stalinist USSR is put on a par with fascist Germany. The rotten breeze blows as always from the West.
    2. carbofo
      carbofo 31 October 2012 13: 10
      +2
      Taratut,
      1- of course familiar; parallels of history can be cited in paragraphs.
      2- we didn’t starve, we didn’t rob Europe either!
      3- Europe did not work for Germany?
      4- the relative concept is rich, silk, porcelain, furniture, for the most part, it has remained with people since the days of the Kaiser, and we have always lived in a poor way of life, so for us the atmosphere in the Germans in the houses was magnificent.
      5- Well, the author could embellish how everyone does it all in the media, but in general, everyone didn’t ride chocolate.
    3. pavlo
      pavlo 2 November 2012 09: 27
      0
      And take a closer look at the Golden Calf, where and what was missing, not to mention the military trains simply disappeared ...
  3. borisst64
    borisst64 31 October 2012 09: 41
    +1
    And black soil from Russia was taken to their homeland in Vaterland!
    1. Taratut
      Taratut 31 October 2012 09: 49
      0
      Quote: borisst64
      And black soil from Russia was taken to their homeland in Vaterland!

      What is it remembered for?
      Hitler for our pseudo-patriots in general should be an ideal.
      Unemployment eliminated. With the money of the Jews, industry developed. The appetites of the oligarchs pinched. He dealt with enemies. And all this did more effectively than Stalin.
      True, the Reich economy was still breathing incense.
      One comrade once said to me - "Oh, if Stalin and Hitler had come to an agreement and attacked common people together ..." And in his eyes this eternal pain of the Emperors-statesmen froze.
      1. klimpopov
        klimpopov 31 October 2012 10: 04
        +2
        He dealt with enemies. And all this did more effectively than Stalin.

        Well, these are your speculations. Where and what is more effective?
        Stalin and Hitler could not agree on the principle!
        As for efficiency - where is the Third Reich now?
        As I understand it, Hitler impresses you? You can not answer ...
        1. Taratut
          Taratut 31 October 2012 10: 21
          -2
          Quote: klimpopov
          Well, these are your speculations. Where and what is more effective?

          How is it where? Enemies pinched much less effort. He didn’t send millions to the concentration camp (except for the fad on the national issue, but this is later).

          Quote: klimpopov
          Stalin and Hitler could not agree on the principle!

          That's right. This is for a person a tiger and a lion of one field of a berry - predators. And for each other they are food.

          Quote: klimpopov
          As for efficiency - where is the Third Reich now?

          Reich made a mistake - he got involved in a war with the rest of the world.

          Quote: klimpopov
          As I understand it, Hitler impresses you?

          Highly. I would take the rope, make loops on both sides, throw it over the crossbar and fit Stalin on one side and Hitler on the other.
          1. klimpopov
            klimpopov 31 October 2012 10: 44
            +1
            How is it where? Enemies pinched much less effort. He didn’t send millions to the concentration camp (except for the fad on the national issue, but this is later).

            So the population in Germany was smaller ...
            Reich made a mistake - he got involved in a war with the rest of the world.

            He started the war against the communist Soviet Union, and only against it, and "the whole world" only later joined ...
            Highly. I would take the rope, make loops on both sides, throw it over the crossbar and fit Stalin on one side and Hitler on the other.

            In this case, all the rulers must be hung, and by default, became the ruler, immediately into the loop, because there is no effective ruler among people ...
            1. Sanches
              Sanches 31 October 2012 11: 58
              +2
              He started the war against the communist Soviet Union, and only against it, and "the whole world" only later joined ...
              no, "the whole world" (states ruled by Zionists) attacked Germany after her invasion of Poland. Britain happily bombed Germans throughout WWII
              1. klimpopov
                klimpopov 31 October 2012 12: 06
                0
                Well, the crusade then Hitler all the same to the east.
              2. pavlo
                pavlo 2 November 2012 09: 34
                0
                It's not about the Communists — this is an excuse for fools — RUSSIA — they still hate her fiercely, that's all!
            2. Taratut
              Taratut 31 October 2012 13: 03
              +2
              Quote: klimpopov
              So the population in Germany was smaller.

              Not dozens of times.

              Quote: klimpopov
              He started the war against the communist Soviet Union, and only against it, and "the whole world" only joined later.

              To put it mildly, the opposite.

              Quote: klimpopov
              Well, the crusade then Hitler still east

              I don’t know what a crusade is. Hitler himself explained the attack on the USSR as a desire to deprive England of a potential ally.

              Quote: klimpopov
              who was Tukhachevsky known

              And who was Tukhachevsky? Maybe throw some documents, facts?


              Quote: viktor_ui
              to respect a person does not mean to stop being with him in enemies

              Of course. Stalin and Hitler are a great example. Admired by each other. But .... His shirt is closer to the body.
              1. klimpopov
                klimpopov 31 October 2012 14: 28
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                To put it mildly, the opposite.

                That is, Stalin and his armada of tanks and the bombed killers of 22 of June attacked defenseless and unsuspecting Germany? But poor Hitler did not suspect anything and peacefully knitted socks by the fireplace.
                And who was Tukhachevsky? Maybe throw some documents, facts?

                You very much remind me of one gentleman, that one also constantly demands documents and facts, and when you begin to provide them, he runs away somewhere, or does not notice posts at point blank range, but it may seem okay. In any case, the topic is completely insufferable, I won’t be tied again, maybe someone will have the desire, I don’t see the point.
                I don’t know what a crusade is.

                Have you finished school?
                Hitler himself explained the attack on the USSR as a desire to deprive England of a potential ally.

                Yeah, and he also spoke about the racial superiority of the German nation.
                Why was he then eager for the Caucasus and the Urals? And the USSR and England were not particularly allies (again, a question for education) ...
              2. Kshatriy
                Kshatriy 31 October 2012 21: 31
                -1
                Quote: Taratut
                And who was Tukhachevsky? Maybe throw some documents, facts?

                ... Easy ..... complete loss of honor for the Russian officer ... the Austrians released Russian prisoners of war on their word of honor .... Ensign Tukhachevsky = did not keep the word of the Russian officer ..... escaped ... well, etc. .d ..... Conclusion this animal of lyakheti origin was no higher - "bastard" - (bastard in Russian - ub-lu-dok) without honor and conscience ....
                Look for the documents yourself ... they are in the public domain ..... in front of people like you "it is not accepted to throw beads ..." .... the continuation of the parable of Jesus Christ, I think you know ???? (as you can see, I'm not called you by the name that the Savior used. But I hope you understand everything yourself ???
            3. Antistaks
              Antistaks 7 November 2012 21: 33
              0
              And as for the war with the Communists, he did not end the war with the British Empire (Australia Canada, India) a little - did you forget a little?
        2. viktor_ui
          viktor_ui 31 October 2012 10: 40
          +6
          klimpopov - you can’t even bother about the effectiveness of special services in the Reich ... the only thing is that they completely caught a couple of thousand conspirators (only two did not have time, because they were killed on the Eastern Front) in a very short time.
          In general, the question of who had the steeper eggs, the USSR or Germany, is meaningless, only one thing is clear that the Natsiks at one time got a torn country and the pace of its restoration impress me personally (I have a negative attitude to fascism). It would be interesting to figure out what they would have managed to do for a quarter of a century and compare all this with our Russian reality for the same period ??? And do not forget at the same time in what state the countries got ... WELL VERY TAKEN IN THE EFFICIENCY PLAN.
          The article gives interesting information about the state of the system of that time in terms of existing problems and ways to solve them, but it does not affect the origins of these problems .... although there is only one source - UNHEARFUL TO TURN ON: RUSSIA-USSR-RUSSIA and listen to our peoples English-speaking people of war. drinks
          1. klimpopov
            klimpopov 31 October 2012 10: 58
            +1
            So the Soviet Union did not shine after 20x as be, all the same, World War I, Civil, NEP, etc., and in 50x already industrial, what? The resource also plays an important role, all the pace of development, etc., come to naught if there are no resources, and Germany had only one way out - to the East.
          2. carbofo
            carbofo 31 October 2012 13: 13
            +1
            viktor_ui,
            Do not forget such a moment as the size of the country, we have a huge inertia of innovation, drive away from cities, they live there like 30 years ago they lived.
            1. viktor_ui
              viktor_ui 31 October 2012 13: 36
              +2
              carbofo - I can argue with you to blue in the face about the inertia and backwardness of the periphery. Come to normal SIBERIAN techno-cities and we will uncoil you with our "slowness" in flight - do not suffocate from the tempo wink . Siberia and the Far East are much purer in soul and body than our esteemed cultural capitals. No need to console ourselves with the empty hope that we live like 30 years ago (sales despite the scarcity of central residual financing)
              Okay, let’s forget the topic due to innovative tolerance wassat


              klimpopov - the Germans had, at least, there was only one option in choosing whom to start to fully hobble, but not fate and cunning Saxons raked chestnuts from the fire with the hands of the USSR.
              1. carbofo
                carbofo 31 October 2012 14: 01
                0
                viktor_ui,
                I say in general, the size of the country and the developed infrastructure of Germany allows it to introduce innovations in a short time and distribute it from all over the country.
                And with our open spaces, when it takes 3 weeks to get somewhere!, I partially understood this as inertia.
                And people here are not in a great hurry to accept innovations.
                I'm not going to argue about the pace of development of Siberia, etc. but they are not caused by the development of the region, rather it’s just the development of an oil pump, of course I’m exaggerating. It turns out that while there is a loot of innovation there is, and then what?
        3. 8 company
          8 company 31 October 2012 11: 59
          -2
          Quote: klimpopov
          As I understand it, Hitler impresses you?


          You are mistaken, it was to your idol Stalin Hitler and his policy that they liked:

          Tukhachevsky:
          "Now I see that Stalin is a hidden, but fanatical admirer of Hitler. I'm not joking. As soon as Hitler takes a step towards Stalin, our leader will rush with open arms to this fascist (this is exactly what happened with the Non-Aggression Pact - ed. Yesterday, when we spoke privately, Stalin justified Hitler's repression against the Jews, saying that Hitler removes from his path that which prevents him from going to his goal, and from the point of view of his idea, Hitler is right. Hitler's successes are too impressive for Joseph Vissarionovich, and if you look closely, he copies a lot from the Fuhrer. It is even sadder that there are people who, instead of besieging him, make enthusiastic faces at this time, look into his mouth, as if expecting brilliant thoughts. "
          1. klimpopov
            klimpopov 31 October 2012 12: 06
            0
            Well, who Tukhachevsky was known ...
            By the way, I didn’t ask you ...
          2. Sanches
            Sanches 31 October 2012 12: 08
            +1
            8 company BY Today, 11:59
            respecting a person does not mean ceasing to be with him in enemies. But there is no greater enemy of the Reds than a soldier who returned to his city and saw that the city was devastated by the Reds while he was fighting on the front line
      2. pavlo
        pavlo 2 November 2012 09: 31
        0
        And Beria, for some reason, for some reason made a prosperous republic out of the decaying Caucasus ....
      3. Piran
        Piran 14 November 2012 11: 04
        0
        "I developed the industry with the money of the Jews." You probably wanted to say: with the money of American Jews?
    2. viktor_ui
      viktor_ui 31 October 2012 10: 20
      +2
      Well, finally, the glacier at one time, the entire fertile layer, from Europe, demolished well, at least to Ukraine (do not be lazy and look for the height of the black earth layer in Ukraine) ... and with what fright in glorious Ukraine 5 part of the world's black soil reserves are concentrated ??? fellow
  4. 8 company
    8 company 31 October 2012 11: 37
    -1
    "Living conditions, work and the level of injuries did not actually differ from the Gulag construction sites in the USSR."

    Does the author find a similarity between Hitlerism and Stalinism? Strange, it doesn't look like him.
    1. carbofo
      carbofo 31 October 2012 14: 04
      0
      8 company,
      Well, the general can be found everywhere, especially in related areas.
      And the construction site is always the same regardless of who builds it.
  5. Kshatriy
    Kshatriy 31 October 2012 21: 43
    -2
    "....... However, we are talking about the picture as a whole, and not individual successes. So, just a year after Hitler came to power, about 100 thousand people, mostly members of the Social Democratic and Communist parties of Germany, were in the concentration camps. More than half of the 300 members of the Communist Party were under arrest. In the fall of 1944, more than a thousand leaders and activists of the KKE were arrested and tortured "..........
    ..... I am extremely sorry for such a small number of extermined and tortured leaders and activists of the KKE ... (and in the USSR, Vissarionych did not quite finish the 5th column in 1937-39). I hope the future will correct the mistakes of the past !!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!
  6. studentmati
    studentmati 31 October 2012 22: 59
    +1
    The great and cruel (merciless, inhuman, godless and even a thousand without ...) politician and psychologist who directed his abilities in the direction desired for himself! A psychopath worth tens of millions of lives.
  7. Was mammoth
    Was mammoth 1 November 2012 00: 21
    0
    Strong article, for me for sure! Made to think.
    I always did not understand why the Germans began to fight on two fronts. But more than once on this burned. It was easier to finally get rid of the West. And then .... But in Russia, not only the Germans were burned. But it turns out the casket just opens.
    And further. Add the artificial inferiority complex superimposed on Germany’s internal problems after the defeat in World War II. (remember the Poles with their ambitions for the Russians). Here is a fertile field for fascism.

    There was a mammoth,
    Quote: There was a mammoth
    after the defeat in World War II.

    Guilty. I had in mind the First
    1. studentmati
      studentmati 1 November 2012 00: 29
      +1
      Fascism is not in the nation, but in the individual. Imagine that Hitler and Stalin switched places? It would be like 70 years we would have lived in the United States of Europe (for example). Can this be assumed?
  8. Ratibor12
    Ratibor12 1 November 2012 01: 06
    +1
    There is only one conclusion: the USSR was a completely successful and self-sufficient state. The Gulag is certainly not very good, but what to do. It was impossible to provide the infrastructure under construction with labor by traditional means. Horseradish voluntarily and in so many people will go there! And you won’t lure with a long ruble.
    But the Nazis failed ... whether in all positions. They were good at robbing, killing, making murder weapons and raising new killers. This is too little for a state that wants to have a future.
  9. Peter Kosorotov
    Peter Kosorotov 1 November 2012 06: 32
    0
    Peasant labor with an 8-hour day? Kamrad, have you been in the village at least once? At least in German?
  10. Larus
    Larus 1 November 2012 11: 02
    0
    Article plus. Often such articles should be printed and preferably on a scale.
  11. KRAVEN333
    KRAVEN333 1 November 2012 17: 29
    -1
    I read it, but Stalin, in general, was no different.
  12. Antistaks
    Antistaks 7 November 2012 21: 47
    0
    Yes, you can write anything you want (poor Germans attacked us with hunger). Look at the pre-war chronicle - our people were much leaner than German (not counting the government and fat women from the movie tractor drivers)
    At least the Germans had potatoes on the rampart.