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A complete and final victory over the media has been achieved!

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A complete and final victory over the media has been achieved!

So, after the publication of the new order of the director of the FSB of the Russian Federation Bortnikov, we can congratulate all our gentlemen generals who were not allowed to live in peace and get fat pursely and organismally by the Russian media.


Order of the Federal Security Service of the Russian Federation dated November 04.11.2022, 547 No. XNUMX "On approval of the List of information in the field of military, military-technical activities of the Russian Federation, which, if received by foreign sources, can be used against the security of the Russian Federation"

In principle, everything is logical and expected. The list of prohibitions has been significantly expanded (up to 60 items) and deployed in such a way that you can safely say “Everything”.

Talk about problems in production? Repair of military equipment? Supplying the army? Theft and lawlessness in the field?


No, why? These bloggers and military correspondents are such a hindrance ... According to the General Staff, they are often the main reason for the defeats of the Russian army in the Northern Military District. So it's much easier to forbid them to say anything at all on any topic. Especially about the problems in the Russian army.

Something will remain, of course. Igor Konashenkov will continue to talk about the fact that about 30 American mercenaries near the village of Nizkiye Veshki and more than 50 Polish soldiers near the village of Cherepanovka were destroyed by the most accurate missile strike. And now his reports can and should be replicated, believing in the word, because without faith no victory is possible in principle.

The rest will either have to be content with direct quoting and references, or trivially shut up.

Those who wish can familiarize themselves with all six dozen points of the order, here I will give the most interesting ones. Let's start with information in the field of military activities of the Russian Federation, not containing information constituting a state secret.

1. Information on the assessment and forecasts of the development of the military-political, strategic (operational) situation

That is, even making assumptions about how events will develop is already a crime.

2. Information on the planning and implementation of measures for civil and territorial defense

Here, to be honest, it's a bit of a misunderstanding. How, then, to carry out these measures at all, if it is impossible to talk about them? In the evening editions News inform citizens? Or will the enemy not learn anything in the information transmitted on television, but on the Internet - for sure?

6. Information on the passage by citizens of the Russian Federation of military service, civil service of other types in the troops, military formations and bodies, on the labor activity of citizens of the Russian Federation in the troops, military formations and bodies

Great item! That is, now there is not a letter about the fact that in a particular unit there is not the most necessary thing, the fighters sleep on the ground and so on.

11. Information about the needs of troops, military formations and bodies in the development, production, testing, installation, installation, maintenance, repair and disposal of weapons, military and special equipment, including robotic systems.

12. Information about the material, technical and financial support of the troops, military formations and bodies.

13. Information on the procurement of goods, works, services for the needs of troops, military formations and bodies, including information on the sole suppliers of goods, works, services

Yes, do not interfere with respected people doing business.

14. Information on the observance of the law and the moral and psychological climate in the troops, military formations and bodies

Here, too, everything is ... ambiguous. And yes, it is. Why do we need to know why 12 armed and well-equipped soldiers began to surrender to 3 Ukrainian servicemen? It is so clear that not everything there was even and smooth, but now everyone will think for himself.

20. Information on the methods of training military personnel (employees) of troops, military formations and bodies

Indeed, why should the layman know that his son fired 15 rounds in a month of "preparation", right?

In general, in ten days, on December 1, a complete victory will come. So far, only over the Russian media and bloggers, but what will happen next, we may be told.

The question then arises, what kind of state secret is needed at all, if it is impossible to talk about anything without it? Or that the choice was - life or not?


I can’t congratulate the FSB on this, it’s not about the desire to shut everyone up on the eve of another significant event in Ukraine related to the Zaporozhye region. We will have to do something with social networks, and especially with Telegram, where our information space has already moved one way or another.

This is not to say that the document is stupid or harmful, in any way. There are points that the tongue will not turn to dispute or doubt. Nos. 3,4,16,17,18,25 and so on - they are useful, and, no doubt. But still, the general meaning of the document is such that from December 1, only individual media will have the right to discuss, comment and predict. Clearly, under the control of the state.

What consequences this has is clear. Censorship, which even without that sometimes surprises us with its one-sidedness, will receive a new impulse to accelerate. Well, this can only be tolerated. Up to a certain point.

Of course, as long as the alternative universe lives in the same "Cart", the chances of obtaining information will remain. And I hope that the Russian government will also lose the second round of the war with Telegram. In any case, even information from the TG that requires filtering and verification is better than Konashenkov's briefings. This is understood by most of the reasonable part of Russians. At the very least, copied press releases from the Ministry of Defense have ceased to be published by the majority of even completely loyal media.

But what's next? The order is not yet the law, but according to the order, they can also be punished to the fullest extent. Otherwise, why compose an order, right?

And here's why: we have too much freedom in expressions. Yes, as long as it is. So far, it was possible to speak on almost any topic. Well, almost any. The goal of our government is simple and understandable: we need to wean citizens from the practice that they can speak on any topic of the day. Immeasurable freedom of expression is simply dangerous.

Here the practice of the USSR is recalled. A long-standing anecdote, how a Russian and an American talk. About freedom of speech. American says:
- We have real freedom in the USA! I can go to the White House and shout: "Reagan is a moron!" And I won't get anything for it!
Russian answers:
- So I can go to the Kremlin and shout "Reagan is a moron!". And I won't get anything for it either!

So, most likely, everything will be exactly like that. Already today everything is rather one-sided, but further this one-sidedness will simply be legalized. The Soviet template is a good thing. And, by the way, the fact that the authorities do not carry out explanatory work in this regard, moreover, rather demonstratively, speaks volumes.

The main thing here is that it simply does not make sense to explain the change in the rules for the implementation of a number of constitutional rights related to freedom of speech and information.

Why did I emphasize this idea so much? Yes, because I understand that the average layman for such details from a high bell tower, he will find where to put himself on the Internet, where 80% go to show that he is a head smarter than the author. He, as a respectable user, is not threatened at all, on the contrary, it will be possible to write where necessary about what is happening from his point of view, a violation, thereby it is not bad to rise in his own eyes.

Problems will not be with them, and even more so not with opponents of patriotic, but not biased media. By the way, the FSB will have problems in the first place.

Here, in general, a very interesting plot plot turns out: on December 1, 2022, it will indeed be difficult and very risky to cover information that will be protected by this order of the FSB. However, lawyers have already noticed that a lot of points look very vague and are formulated in fact very abstractly. Hence the very wide possibilities of interpretation on the one hand and the complete lack of maneuver on the other, because indeed, nothing was explained to anyone, but they will be punished for something.

It will be very difficult to define such a thing as the format of information allowed before publication. Zero definitions. Moreover, it is completely unclear who is responsible for controlling the information that will be published in the media. To the FSB? Yeah, besides guarding the borders and countering Ukrainian DRGs, they have nothing to do, free time to abyss, go ahead, read the Internet?

On the media themselves? This is even more nonsense, because see above, no one explained anything. And it's not clear how to filter. But since no one has canceled the newly introduced articles of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation such as 275.1, 280.3, 280.4 and the like, here is the conclusion for you: it is easier to remain silent.

From December 1, we will begin a new life. Less bright, less interesting, but calm for those who are behind the introduction of a new round of censorship. It's good that at least someone in Russia can be happy.
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  1. Basil50
    Basil50 30 November 2022 05: 28
    -79
    As the author turned out. BUT?
    Nothing that RUSSIA is waging war? Nothing that Europe-USA do not hesitate to declare the destruction of RUSSIA as their goal?
    Remember how in RUSSIA they introduced a law about * a foreign agent *? The law is much softer than in the US, and how much was howling.
    Adherents of *freedom-democracies* frankly LIE to us about *universal happiness in Europe-USA* and about the boundlessness of opportunities somewhere out there. Omitting, as unimportant, about frankly police regimes in Europe and the United States. There, if they allow criticism, but only * outside *, or against those who are being persecuted like Trump.
    It is a pity that there is still no criminal liability for lobbying the interests of foreign countries.
    1. Asad
      Asad 30 November 2022 06: 28
      +60
      As I understand correctly, Kanashenkov's lively reports are enough for you?
      1. Hagen
        Hagen 30 November 2022 07: 08
        -43
        Quote: ASAD
        As I understand correctly, Kanashenkov's lively reports are enough for you?

        The question is not what is enough for the layman for an empty discussion in the kitchen. The point is that step by step we are approaching (as the situation requires) the introduction of martial law restrictions. Yes, there will be less freedom. You won't write anything. The CIA, long before the CBO, said that they gradually left "off the street" and undercover penetration into the analysis of the media and most of the information of interest is drawn from open sources. The FSB is beginning to counteract this. Quite a natural movement ... What is there to be surprised and indignant about? Yes, someone will lose a gold mine that has fed without fail for a long time. There's nothing you can do, you'll have to retrain as a house manager, for example. And there is no need to moan here that the war was not declared, that this is all NWO. The war is on, and it has been going on for a long time. Long before 2022. A war to destroy our state, no more and no less. And we must admit this, regardless of what the President says from the screen. He is a politician, a responsible politician. And therefore somewhat limited in expressions. And for those who don’t have enough Konashenkov, go to the trenches, there you will learn everything “first hand”.
        1. Virus-free crown
          Virus-free crown 30 November 2022 07: 40
          +27
          Quote: Hagen
          Quote: ASAD
          As I understand correctly, Kanashenkov's lively reports are enough for you?

          The question is not what is enough for the layman for an empty discussion in the kitchen. The point is that step by step we are approaching (as the situation requires) the introduction of martial law restrictions. Yes, there will be less freedom. You won't write anything. The CIA, long before the CBO, said that they gradually left "off the street" and undercover penetration into the analysis of the media and most of the information of interest is drawn from open sources. The FSB is beginning to counteract this. Quite a natural movement ... What is there to be surprised and indignant about? Yes, someone will lose a gold mine that has fed without fail for a long time. There's nothing you can do, you'll have to retrain as a house manager, for example. And there is no need to moan here that the war was not declared, that this is all NWO. War is comingand has been going on for a long time. Long before 2022. A war to destroy our state, no more and no less. And we must admit this, regardless of what the President says from the screen. He is a politician, a responsible politician. And therefore somewhat limited in expressions. And for those who don’t have enough Konashenkov, go to the trenches, there you will learn everything “first hand”.

          I just gently remind you that for YOUR words highlighted by me in YOUR post, this is from 30 to 50 tr fine to you wassat tongue
          1. Hagen
            Hagen 30 November 2022 08: 59
            -30
            Quote: Corona without virus
            I just gently remind you that for YOUR words highlighted by me in YOUR post, this is from 30 to 50 tr fine to you

            Do you have any authority in this regard?
            1. SARANCHA1976
              SARANCHA1976 30 November 2022 09: 18
              +24
              Powers from December 1 .. you read the article diagonally
              1. Hagen
                Hagen 30 November 2022 10: 19
                -19
                Quote: SARANCHA1976
                you read the article diagonally

                Do you understand what's the matter ... It is important not only to read, it is even more important to correctly interpret what is read. And as far as I can see, you're not very good at it. So don't worry about me. Do not stumble yourself, but somehow I will figure it out without advisers.
                1. Hagen
                  Hagen 30 November 2022 13: 16
                  -15
                  Quote: SARANCHA1976
                  Powers from December 1..

                  Quote: Hagen
                  It is important not only to read, it is even more important to correctly interpret what is read.

                  I translate into simple common language. The above order of the FSB refers to the list of information prohibited from publication. Information is information that was not previously known, but learned from the publication (clumsily, but briefly, and it seems clear to me). My opinion and reflections on the well-known event that is currently taking place do not fall under the category of "information" due to the lack of novelty of the fact. Question: what offense can I be charged with in order to be held accountable for my opinion? Everything is clear with the powers, the interlocutor does not have such by definition. Why then write something about which you have very approximate concepts? One gets the feeling that a significant mass of readers evaluate the posts "without regaining consciousness." I warned you about the fine... but do you have any other thoughts? For example, about how, without a formal declaration of martial law, we enter into it after the fact. But there are still a lot of serious restrictions for the population of the country. Should we wait for them? Or is nobody interested? Until the next signed document. I would like a thoughtful interlocutor, but it does not work.
                  1. BMP-2
                    BMP-2 1 December 2022 01: 13
                    0
                    I translate from universal into Russian: "Information is:
                    1. News, messages about something.
                    2. Facts, data characterizing someone, something.
                    3. Knowledge in any area, awareness of something.
                    4. Report with digital data.
                    (Explanatory Dictionary of Efremova. T.F. Efremova. 2000).

                    That is, there will be no complaints if you not only do not report anything new, but also do not give facts, do not demonstrate knowledge, do not draw conclusions based on numbers.
                    Something like that. This is if thoughtfully. wink
                    1. Hagen
                      Hagen 1 December 2022 05: 51
                      +1
                      Quote: BMP-2
                      Something like that. This is if thoughtfully.

                      In a word, the assessment of an already known fact in the light of the FSB order under discussion does not form a corpus delicti. In general, this is exactly what I'm talking about .... Judging by the reaction of the members of the forum, the vast majority of readers do not carry out such an analysis of what they read. Which is very unfortunate.
                    2. SARANCHA1976
                      SARANCHA1976 1 December 2022 10: 52
                      +4
                      I think that there will be no complaints if you have not voiced something that is not pleasant for people in high-ranking posts. And it’s not a dictionary that will determine your guilt, it’s just that a piece of paper will appear in the case from the egsperd that he sees violations in your statement under such and such articles. Well, don’t you know how it has been working for the last five years? We even have children throw themselves under the wheels after a bottle of vodka
                      1. Hagen
                        Hagen 1 December 2022 12: 22
                        -2
                        Quote: SARANCHA1976
                        And it’s not a dictionary that will determine your guilt, it’s just that a piece of paper will appear in the case from the egsperd that he sees violations in your statement under such and such articles.

                        What articles, comrade?! Have you ever held the "case" in your hands? You are talking nonsense, you yourself do not understand what you are talking about .... Find an article in the administrative or criminal code, read the text, determine the composition, and then attach it to the situation under discussion ...
                      2. zloybond
                        zloybond 1 December 2022 20: 58
                        0
                        If we assume a team of volunteers announces that they are raising money for 2 copters, 40 padded jackets, 50 shorts, a tent and a generator for the unit: "Timur and his team No. ..." - in theory, this is already a shadow of what "Timur and the team "not everything is in order with the supply - actually a reason to snap the handcuffs ????
                        ... So, just to understand ... here we are collecting for a copter or something else with friends and like-minded people ... Someone saw our advertisement ... should we dry the crackers in advance ???
                        Especially if you attach a photo report that someone gave something to win ...
                      3. SARANCHA1976
                        SARANCHA1976 1 December 2022 22: 51
                        -1
                        This should be applied at the beginning of December ... And there will be a draft sea
                      4. Hagen
                        Hagen 2 December 2022 05: 50
                        +2
                        Quote: SARANCHA1976
                        This should be applied at the beginning of December ...

                        What December? This order is from a series of traditional. It is published periodically with updated lists of information. No revolution there. It was not and is not expected. How many situations before so much and now will be. Why are you all of a sudden upset today? For the first time heard that there is such a list? And in the edition of 2007... Even then he introduced some novels... The next insulators did not burst.... You just need to get a little familiar with the codes, with their application, and everything will become more or less clear. You get to the point. For example, to which article this list is applicable, at least .... And only then predict "situations". And then, the ringing was given to listen, but the bell tower was not shown ...
                      5. SARANCHA1976
                        SARANCHA1976 4 December 2022 12: 17
                        0
                        The bell tower is officially called SVO. And the allegedly traditional list is mainly related to the prohibition of disclosing information related to SVO directly and indirectly.
                2. Shark Lover
                  Shark Lover 1 December 2022 02: 07
                  +2
                  Don't justify yourself to the local "generals". Each of them imagines himself to be a strategist, scouring "analytics" according to the plans of strikes, offensives, and the results of the NMD. When a rocket flew over Wagner, everyone immediately attacked the blogger who took the picture, but right now, they are infringing on their freedom. There is a war going on, at least call it ZhVO, in the Second World War there was even a corresponding poster, but right now, whatever you want, then go broke. Analysts, damn it. There are official channels, and write complaints and requests there. What did many people know about the war in the DRA? The troops were there for 10 years. It’s just that right now, many bloggers will fall off, who feed on this, out, streaming.
                  1. Hagen
                    Hagen 1 December 2022 06: 00
                    +2
                    Quote: Shark Lover
                    Don't justify yourself to the local "generals"

                    It's not about excuses. Local paper generals do not pose any danger to justify themselves in front. I would like to exchange views. After all, all people think differently, but life is stereotyped. Reflecting on other people's thoughts, there is an opportunity to jump out of the usual rut. That's where the interest in the discussion lies. About five years ago there was a group of readers with very interesting approaches to the world around us. Today they are all gone. Presses the primitive, sliding on the surface. I saw the order and immediately - everything was gone, the media were defeated. And everyone agreed. But the question has its own history ... Well, okay. She died, so she died.
                    1. Shark Lover
                      Shark Lover 1 December 2022 06: 43
                      +1
                      I was also not here for a long time, with the beginning of the SVO I came again. I also noticed that the first one wrote "A" and everyone went in this vein. Interesting and informative, fresh, people write, with paper shoulder straps of an ordinary, foreman, starley. But, sometimes frightened, they immediately attack them and they leave. There is no dialogue. You are right, everything is in its own way, it is hard to escape, that's why you read everything.
                    2. avg
                      avg 1 December 2022 13: 43
                      0
                      I fully share your opinion, it has become stuffy in VO. I read the title and it's immediately clear who the author is. Here he has complete peremptory freedom of speech, he directly burns with a verb, but still it’s not enough for the guy, he wants to hit the tambourine with a tambourine - zero specifics, but loudly. And so on any issue from Babel to the cable. wink
                3. SARANCHA1976
                  SARANCHA1976 1 December 2022 10: 36
                  +1
                  Employees and not me will interpret as they want. I don't worry about you..
              2. man
                man 30 November 2022 16: 24
                +8
                Powers from December 1 .. you read the article diagonally
                But he didn’t read it at all. “The Chukchi is not a reader, the Chukchi is a writer!”
            2. Churchill
              Churchill 30 November 2022 12: 28
              +5
              You're just being warned by "agitator".
              1. Hagen
                Hagen 30 November 2022 12: 39
                -11
                Quote: Churchill
                You're just being warned by "agitator".

                Do not need....
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            1. Churchill
              Churchill 30 November 2022 12: 32
              +10
              You're freaking out, you switched to nationalistic notes. Oh well.
          3. insafufa
            insafufa 30 November 2022 12: 37
            +18
            Well, all the pipe is leaving VO, it makes no sense to write comments from tomorrow I will go to the street of revenge near my porch, more benefit for me and freedom. smile
            1. Fan-fan
              Fan-fan 30 November 2022 14: 00
              +15
              So I think, who will read the Military Review after December 1? What will the articles be about, about birds and butterflies?
              1. Plate
                Plate 30 November 2022 15: 12
                +10
                We will discuss the prodigies of future wars. The SVO will end, this order will be canceled, someone from the Kremlin will come in to read ... And here are ready-made drawings, specifications, descriptions of physical principles ... a superweapon with which you can go smash the States right now! wassat
                Here we will come up with plasma rifles, compact batteries for power armor, power armor itself, we will write program codes for controlling an army of robots... Moreover, we will draw up concepts on how to put all this into practice.
                1. man
                  man 30 November 2022 16: 32
                  +8
                  Here we will come up with plasma rifles, compact batteries for power armor, power armor itself, we will write program codes to control an army of robots...
                  Do not forget to hint how much can be washed on this
                  1. Alf
                    Alf 30 November 2022 16: 57
                    +8
                    Quote: mann
                    Do not forget to hint how much can be washed on this

                    This will go under point 1.
                    1. man
                      man 30 November 2022 17: 17
                      +5
                      This will go under point 1.
                      Even better put in the title smile
                  2. Plate
                    Plate 30 November 2022 17: 01
                    0
                    This is when we will conclude contracts, then we will give a hint.
                    1. man
                      man 30 November 2022 17: 23
                      +1
                      This is when we will conclude contracts, then we will give a hint.
                      Inefficient, too much competition. Listen to the above tips. "If you are interested in the result!" smile
                      1. Plate
                        Plate 30 November 2022 17: 51
                        +2
                        No, I really want a plasma rifle and power armor though. So first we will design everything normally, and then we will plan how to do it, and roll back a lot of money for ourselves and for the bosses.
              2. sadam2
                sadam2 30 November 2022 19: 20
                +8
                As I understand it, Roman's last swan song. Tomorrow we will dry him crackers on the road ... and the political instructor Staver will again lead us with inspiration into the battle about Kherson Stalingrad)))
            2. FIR FIR
              FIR FIR 30 November 2022 23: 11
              0
              Quote: insafufa
              Well, all the pipe is leaving VO, it makes no sense to write comments

              So read.
              Sometimes very interesting things are posted, especially in history and analytics.
          4. man
            man 30 November 2022 16: 20
            +7
            I just gently remind you that for YOUR words highlighted by me in YOUR post, this is from 30 to 50 tr fine to you
            And for the call to disobey the president, a little lower than the one you highlighted, I'm afraid to even imagine a punishment smile
          5. LTCNL
            LTCNL 30 November 2022 19: 48
            -2
            Given the context of what YOU and your opponent stated when parsing posts for some information, YOU will most likely receive a fine, and possibly a term.
        2. Sergey028
          Sergey028 30 November 2022 08: 13
          +20
          Was he there himself to advise anyone to go there?
          1. Hagen
            Hagen 30 November 2022 09: 01
            -24
            Quote: Sergey028
            Was he there himself to advise anyone to go there?

            Konashenkov does not cause a toothache in me. Besides, I've already been in my trenches. I have enough....
            1. man
              man 30 November 2022 16: 38
              +6
              Konashenkov does not cause a toothache in me.
              Me too... due to missing teeth
        3. Deon59
          Deon59 30 November 2022 08: 44
          +25
          And why are they not in the trench themselves. And there is no need to look for CIA agents. They are played on TV every day.
          1. Paul Siebert
            Paul Siebert 30 November 2022 14: 25
            +12
            Quote from Deon59
            there is no need to look for CIA agents. They are played on TV every day.

            There are enough foreign agents even in Soviet cartoons ...
            A heartbreaking sight...
        4. man
          man 30 November 2022 15: 16
          -11
          And you have to admit it no matter what the President says from the screen.
          That is, you recommend us not to listen to our President? Well, well ... "you will be re-educated in prison"
          1. Hagen
            Hagen 30 November 2022 16: 22
            -11
            Quote: mann
            That is, you recommend us not to listen to our President? Well, well ... "you will be re-educated in prison"

            "You are like this .... on Saturdays or something." Laugh :))))). Who will put me in? laughing I would recommend to live by your own mind, even listening to the President. Respecting the legal field in which you are. By the way, this excitement around the order of the FSB is not entirely clear. These orders are issued periodically with version updates. Nothing particularly victorious over the media there during the day with fire. In addition, in order to attract someone according to this order (and all orders concern employees of the department that issues the order), it is necessary to make an appropriate amendment to the legislation. Responsibility under the law comes for actions committed after the entry into force of the law. Therefore, all references in fines and prison today are nonsense of fools ..., on the basis of incorrectly submitted information. It’s even somehow insulting how cheaply a large mass of adults are “bought” for a naked mess. laughing
            1. man
              man 30 November 2022 16: 47
              +5
              Who will put me in?
              Ahh, so you are a monument!
              I would recommend live with your mind, even listening to the President.
              Oh, you violator of the law! Monument-recidivist!
              1. Hagen
                Hagen 30 November 2022 17: 59
                -7
                Quote: mann
                Ahh, so you are a monument!

                I am not a monument, there is simply no mechanism for my landing. So don't expect... laughing
                1. man
                  man 30 November 2022 18: 55
                  +1
                  I am not a monument, there is simply no mechanism for my landing. So don't expect...
                  Well, what are you, I’m not serious. But I’m wrong, you can’t joke with such things
                  1. Hagen
                    Hagen 30 November 2022 19: 58
                    0
                    Quote: mann
                    What are you, I'm not serious.

                    When I was young, I also liked to joke. And today I'm sad to see the degree of degradation, in general, not stupid people. And not even because they have a different opinion than mine. But because the meaning of the simplest phrase in one line without any adverbial turns is not vkuriruyut. But once we were considered the most reading ... It's sad. That's for sure, you will envy the Chukchi. It is simply impossible to read what others write. request
                    1. man
                      man 30 November 2022 22: 33
                      +2
                      When I was young, I also liked to joke. And today I'm sad to see the degree of degradation, in general, not stupid people.
                      So "this cognac gets better with age!" smile Remember Zhzhenov said in the Soviet "Crew"? I often remember these words, because I feel for myself laughing I'm afraid another winged phrase will soon come, "senile insanity" is called smile What can you do, "there is no cure for old age", alas request Therefore, I will end with another quote "Judge not, lest you be judged" smile
                      1. Hagen
                        Hagen 1 December 2022 05: 44
                        +1
                        Quote: mann
                        Therefore, I will end with another quote "Judge not, lest you be judged"

                        Well, I didn’t promise you a prison ... It’s more correct to be consistent in your lines of thought.
                        Quote: mann
                        So "this cognac gets better with age!" Remember Zhzhenov said in the Soviet "Crew"?

                        It was he who spoke about physical health, and I mean the life experience gained, which sometimes confirms the saying that history shows us that we do not learn anything from its experience. And senile insanity occurs in most cases when we systematically do not load the brain with thoughts, and the body with feasible loads for physical education reasons.
        5. Goto
          Goto 30 November 2022 18: 31
          +6
          And they will tell you about corruption, or rather, when you yourself go to war in your things, they will also say that the three of you need to chip in on a tank and buy diesel fuel from bk.
          1. Hagen
            Hagen 1 December 2022 05: 47
            -2
            Quote: Goto
            And they will tell you about corruption, or rather, when you yourself go to war in your things

            And when journalists have you in your head without evidence and for other people's money, do you feel better? Well, for God's sake....
            1. Goto
              Goto 1 December 2022 13: 47
              +3
              So the question is that the acquaintances went and none of them said that they had given everyone away.
              Or I don’t go out into the street and don’t see how “good” we are at the prices in the store.
              Maybe everything is fine with you? Or is it in your head that everything is fine?
      2. Kostyar
        Kostyar 30 November 2022 07: 50
        -24
        As I understand correctly, Kanashenkov's lively reports are enough for you?

        Konashenkov lists only the facts and nothing more!
        1. Svale
          Svale 30 November 2022 09: 02
          +17
          "The Russian armed forces did not suffer losses during the operation to demilitarize Ukraine. This was stated by the official representative of the Russian Ministry of Defense, Major General Igor Konashenkov"... Facts, nothing but facts
          1. Plate
            Plate 30 November 2022 15: 14
            -6
            Would you like to add the date? The same Konashenkov spoke about the losses of the RF Armed Forces for the first time in the spring.
            1. Svale
              Svale 30 November 2022 21: 50
              +1
              Quote: Plate
              Would you like to add the date?

              Please, on the MO website:
              25.02.2022 (15: 30)
              Briefing by the official representative of the Russian Ministry of Defense
              Quote "There are no losses in the Russian Armed Forces."
              The first report of losses was only 27.02.22/XNUMX/XNUMX.
              How many times do you have to lie for you to doubt?
              1. Plate
                Plate 30 November 2022 22: 17
                -2
                Well, on February 25, maybe it really wasn’t request
                1. Svale
                  Svale 30 November 2022 22: 28
                  +3
                  Quote: Plate
                  Well, on February 25, maybe it really wasn’t

                  Don't you have internet?
                  1. Plate
                    Plate 30 November 2022 23: 33
                    0
                    Yes, we do communicate with you somehow. It's just that the Internet usually does not publish such subtle information as the military losses of one side or another by day or hour.
                    1. Svale
                      Svale 1 December 2022 10: 41
                      +2
                      Of course. The law prohibits the publication of casualties in peacetime. But when when ordinary citizens upload videos from their phones of a shootout going on in their yard and people dying, we can conclude that someone is being cunning.
                      1. Plate
                        Plate 1 December 2022 10: 52
                        -2
                        It seems that on February 25 there were no such videos yet. All were entirely with columns of equipment confidently going deep into Ukraine.
                      2. Svale
                        Svale 1 December 2022 14: 23
                        +1
                        Everyone apparently has their own Internet) Were you not alerted that there were no losses during the day of the offensive?
                      3. Plate
                        Plate 1 December 2022 16: 03
                        0
                        It sounds a little like the truth, indeed, but I believe that neither you nor I have direct evidence to the contrary.
                      4. Svale
                        Svale 2 December 2022 00: 09
                        0
                        My son retired from military service a few months before the events. And he actively communicated with the friends and commanders who remained there. I have no reason not to believe their words.
                        Well, the first days the Internet was not cut. I think through VPN you will find everything.
      3. vkfriendly
        vkfriendly 30 November 2022 09: 55
        -25
        I see you all have been greatly relaxed, but there is a war going on if someone is not visible. Control over the media should be tight, and especially over the so-called "bloggers" in the NVO zone or in the army, the CIA does not need to send agents now, read comments and articles on the Internet and analyze first-hand information for you. And there is someone to look after the thieves generals, do not think that you will put things in order with your posts. A journalist should not bring this up for general discussion, but turn to where he should if he has information, they played painfully strongly in democracy and freedom, the Yankees wanted to spit on all this when it came to state security or even their party leaders.
        1. skeptick2
          skeptick2 30 November 2022 10: 10
          +10
          Quote: vkfriendly
          A journalist should not bring this up for general discussion, but turn to where he should

          AND???
          Where they should, will they immediately react as they should? According to the Constitution, according to the law? Will they ignore installations, orders and calls from above?
          The question involuntarily begs: where do you live? Really, too, like all of us, in Russia?
          1. vkfriendly
            vkfriendly 1 December 2022 05: 19
            -2
            Do you think the journalist who wrote the news will somehow influence, don’t be ridiculous. A journalist or blogger can somehow influence a district official, no more than what the media sometimes replicate for your amusement. And then no one will give a guarantee that this blogger did not concoct a "order" And I wonder if you all here reading bloggers and such articles do you think that CBO depends on you or these bloggers and journalists? This is utter nonsense. How then did we win in those wars where the source of information was only a radio point on the street. Be content with what the authorities say, now it will not be different, "bolts and nuts" will continue to tighten such is the reality of today's world, there is a war going on for the minds in the first place, and unfortunately we are still losing in it.
        2. alekseykabanets
          alekseykabanets 30 November 2022 10: 18
          +9
          Quote: vkfriendly
          Control over the media should be tight, and especially over the so-called "bloggers"

          It won't help you anymore.
          Quote: vkfriendly
          And there is someone to look after the thieves generals

          Yeah, other thieves generals.))))
          Quote: vkfriendly
          A journalist should not bring this up for general discussion, but turn to where he should

          good Have you heard of the term "investigative journalism"?
          Quote: vkfriendly
          played painfully hard in democracy and freedom

          Yes, yes, all according to the precepts of one underestimated Austrian artist, Ilyin, with his sense of rank, Dugin, etc. etc. You don't think about where this will lead you, do you?
          1. nemez
            nemez 30 November 2022 10: 52
            -6
            Have you heard something about such a term as "journalistic investigation. Have fun) Nothing that it can be custom-made
            1. alekseykabanets
              alekseykabanets 30 November 2022 11: 06
              +7
              Quote: nemez
              Nothing that it is custom

              And sometimes it’s not custom-made.)))) Is the same custom-made material about the tubzone?
          2. vkfriendly
            vkfriendly 1 December 2022 06: 04
            -3
            Where will it lead? yes, thank God, not to your world invented by liberals - the "world of freedom and democracy" (through bombing and killing of dissenters) and heaps of sexes without dads and moms with the same creatures numbered 1 and 2.
            1. alekseykabanets
              alekseykabanets 1 December 2022 06: 21
              -1
              Quote: vkfriendly
              Where will it lead? yes, thank God, not to your world invented by liberals - the "world of freedom and democracy" (through bombing and killing of dissenters) and heaps of sexes without dads and moms with the same creatures numbered 1 and 2.

              I repeat.
              Quote: aleksejkabanets
              Yes, yes, all according to the precepts of one underestimated Austrian artist, Ilyin, with his sense of rank, Dugin, etc. etc.
              1. vkfriendly
                vkfriendly 3 December 2022 10: 03
                -1
                Thanks for the references to community-recognized people who won't say stupid things, at least some of them. And your brain didn’t give birth to anything smart? And yes, deal with commas.
                1. alekseykabanets
                  alekseykabanets 3 December 2022 10: 51
                  -2
                  Quote: vkfriendly
                  And yes, deal with commas.

                  See below.))))
                  Quote: vkfriendly
                  Thanks for the references to community-recognized people who won't say stupid things, at least some of them.

                  Read Mein Kampf as an addition to Ilyin and Dugin, the same was recognized by some.)))
        3. Barberry25
          Barberry25 30 November 2022 10: 52
          +3
          the problem is that people think that they look bad and a number of points are missed. And the most important point is that by closing the flow of information, the security forces will not be able to provide its analogue .. i.e. there will be nothing besides Konashenkov’s reports, which means people will not believe him, and just an attempt to sing the song “everything is fine, beautiful marquise” instead of calming down will have the opposite effect .. In general, the one who proposed to ban everything and for everyone did not understand the consequences very well ... This is if we consider the Hardcore version .. if it is light, then this is an update of the Order of the Federal Security Service of the Russian Federation of September 28.09.2021, 379 No. XNUMX, which now works, as it were
        4. border
          border 30 November 2022 12: 00
          -4
          Control should be, first of all, over the statements, and most importantly, the actions of officials, namely those who form decisions on foreign political issues, the psychological and moral state of the RF Armed Forces and the entire population (the Ministry of Culture and various figures and political scientists), organizations (ministries, councils , committees, associations of various manufacturers, etc.) and many more. The State Duma (SF) must adopt laws in a timely manner aimed at VICTORY in the NWO, min. just. should do its job in such a way that, with the start of mobilization, hundreds of thousands would not be able to leave the cordon, taking advantage of the contradictions of the law on exit and martial law, the prosecutor's office should not be "blindfolded" and not wait for a kick from top leaders, with itself should seek inconsistency of actions with the adopted laws. and when the legislative base is worked out in the spirit of the current situation (and we can adopt federal laws in 1 day in 3 readings without the approval of the Federation Council), then law enforcement agencies can rightfully demand execution and punish the main ones.
          1. sadam2
            sadam2 30 November 2022 19: 42
            +6
            This puzzles me too, to say the least. In the morning, they say from the Kremlin that the Russian Federation is ready for negotiations and does not set the goal of overthrowing Zelya, and in the evening of the same day, from the same office, they say that the criminal regime will be demolished and the war will be victorious .... how to fight here and what to prepare for?
        5. gsev
          gsev 30 November 2022 14: 20
          +7
          Quote: vkfriendly
          I see you all have been greatly relaxed, but there is a war going on if someone is not visible. Control over the media should be tight, and especially over the so-called "bloggers" in the NVO zone or in the army

          Quote: vkfriendly
          . And there is someone to watch the thieves generals, don’t think that you will put things in order with your posts here ..

          I once worked in the design department of a defense enterprise. At that time, we were designing new military factories and, in particular, installing stacker cranes in them. They put them about 100 times more than needed. Moreover, the setting criterion was a beautiful layout, where the outlined stacker cranes would please the eye of the host boss from the Ministry of Defense Industry. Then there was no freedom of speech and there was no opportunity to talk about utter stupidity. I was directly told that there is no time in the established plans for calculations and requesting information about the actual need, and squeals about the waste of state funds even at a level higher than the department of anti-Sovietism and treason, with all the ensuing consequences. Therefore, there was a compromise solution to reduce the number of stacker cranes by 2 or 4 times, although they could be reduced by 20-40 times. That is, excessive secrecy cost the state an increase in costs for no reason by 20-40 times, which made socialism uncompetitive with the US economy. In due time, I will assume that this order will make Russia's defense capability also about 20 times weaker.
      4. roosei
        roosei 30 November 2022 09: 58
        0
        but yak! he, like the teachings of Marx, is the only correct opinion
      5. man
        man 30 November 2022 14: 55
        +3
        As I understand correctly, Kanashenkov's lively reports are enough for you?
        And it will be possible to complain that these reports are not lively enough?
        1. vkfriendly
          vkfriendly 1 December 2022 06: 19
          -5
          But what if a bunch of incomprehensible bloggers with their Wishlist broadcast the news to you from this operation, will something win? In the Second World War, all the information was replaced only by a radio point on the street and nothing won the war without bloggers and you couch warriors who give how many killed and wounded that it’s bad to sleep without such news?
      6. Dron_sk
        Dron_sk 1 December 2022 21: 58
        -1
        Real objective information about everything that is happening in the country has been collected and will be collected, but this will be done exclusively for domestic use and non-public discussion. But in a war, it should not be made available to the public, and even more so that there, in the public domain, people-specialists should discuss and analyze it in front of everyone, including critical aspects of state security. This is unacceptable in a war! Since it facilitates the work of foreign intelligence! The Americans and the British created in all more or less large countries of the world analytical, rating agencies, consulting firms, etc., so that local employees themselves collect all the information, do analysis and put it in the public domain or directly send it to their owners overseas, and those receiving such information from each country, they easily followed all the processes around the world and used this information for their own purposes. Information is a very valuable weapon, you need to remember this. No wonder these firms received most of the profits from abroad. The main thing is that the employees of these agencies go all the same in shirts and trousers, trained according to Western standards, use a lot of English terms in their speech, drink coffee in front of their MacBooks and consider themselves the most developed part of the Russian population, the true elite. And few of them realize that by collecting data, analyzing and compiling reports and sending them to some head office in London or overseas, they are working to the detriment of their country. Although some certainly guess, but they don’t care, social status (you can almost say an employee of McKinsey), salary in dollars / euros and confidence in the greatness of Western civilization and its values ​​- all this is more important and outweighs the interests of the country in which you were born, raised and live.
        So the FSB did everything right. And right now, the most yelling is precisely those who received money for working to the detriment of their country, and received money from Western sources. And these are not only employees of various agencies and consulting companies there, but also people like the author of this article, Roman Skomorokhov, who always makes one-sided reviews with a deliberate focus on only one side of the problem, deliberately not considering the other side. Exaggerating one, completely ignoring the other.
      7. Warrior with machine gun
        Warrior with machine gun 4 December 2022 21: 39
        0
        And they are lively, with the same success you can replace this talker with a talking parrot, which will cost the budget less than the maintenance of this talking general.
    2. Ingvar 72
      Ingvar 72 30 November 2022 06: 34
      +68
      Quote: Vasily50
      Nothing that RUSSIA is waging war?

      Which is not announced, so that you can continue to drive oil, gas, fertilizers, ammonia, grain and much more to the west! laughing
      1. Civil
        Civil 30 November 2022 07: 21
        +40
        Something funny)))) it was inevitable, I'll tell you more, even after the CBO this ban will not be canceled. laughing
        1. Woroshilow
          Woroshilow 30 November 2022 12: 51
          0
          It seems that Americans still haven’t canceled the “Patriot Act” after September 11.09.2001, XNUMX (USA PATRIOT Act)
          1. Civil
            Civil 30 November 2022 13: 20
            +13
            Quote from Woroshilow
            It seems that Americans still haven’t canceled the “Patriot Act” after September 11.09.2001, XNUMX (USA PATRIOT Act)

            In general, the drum is what is there and how it is overseas. Let them hang blacks and or sleep with them. Our life, the country here and now is in a difficult position.
      2. vkfriendly
        vkfriendly 1 December 2022 04: 45
        -4
        Do you think the West will not find a replacement for all this? Already searching and finding. Only the Russian budget will not count tax revenues, factories, mines, wells, and so on will be closed, and this is unemployment, a decrease in consumer demand, which again will lead to a shortfall in taxes and the cessation of financial injections into the modernization of everything from roads and lived. fund to the development of new and old directions in science and production, as well as the entire spectrum of consumption. This implies a rise in prices and a fall in pensions, salaries and social services. payments. And then complete poverty and devastation. Do not be like the European elite, which, in order to harm us, destroys its industry and lowers the standard of living of its citizens, only the states benefit from all this, they will thank you.
    3. The popuas
      The popuas 30 November 2022 06: 38
      +16
      Gas, ammonia,....isn't this lobbying for other people's interests! request ... and why did you Vasya put this footcloth here?
    4. certero
      certero 30 November 2022 06: 54
      +52
      Quote: Vasily50
      Nothing that RUSSIA is waging war?

      If you have already decided to throw such statements, then legally Russia is not waging any war. But your statement falls under the article of the criminal code on discrediting the authorities.
      Let me remind you that Russia trades with Ukraine, pumps gas through the territory of Ukraine. What war, what are you talking about?
      1. man
        man 30 November 2022 17: 13
        +3
        Let me remind you that Russia trades with Ukraine, pumps gas through the territory of Ukraine
        part of which Ukraine habitually steals. Indeed, everything is like in normal peacetime smile
      2. vkfriendly
        vkfriendly 1 December 2022 04: 59
        -4
        Do not tell the criminal code, all the more about discrediting the authorities. And let me remind you that Russia, as a power, does not legally trade with any country in the world. This is done by Russian companies and I don’t need to tell me that Gazprom is 50..70...100% owned by the state, this doesn’t change the essence, the state is present here as a shareholder and nothing more.
    5. Monster_Fat
      Monster_Fat 30 November 2022 07: 02
      +38
      Well, since ours will not publish anything, then the people in search of information will migrate to alternative sources. You can guess what these sources will be. So what's next? That's right - blocking Internet resources and restricting freedom on the Internet, that is, "cheburnet". Fun times are coming. Someone at the beginning of the NWO was joking here about the fact that, like during the Second World War, it would not come to the surrender of radio receivers and leaving only the local radio network on which only propaganda radio broadcasts would go. Oh well. Let's see, let's see, something tells me that the worst forecasts in this regard will soon come true ...
      1. Boris55
        Boris55 30 November 2022 08: 16
        -40
        Quote: Monster_Fat
        then the people in search of information will migrate to alternative sources

        Alyonushka told her brother Ivanushka, don’t drink water (information) from that hoof (CNN), you will become a kid. Ivanushka did not listen, got drunk on Western information and became a goat ... This is how goats (bulk) appear in Rus' ... 30 years have passed ...



        In the same fairy tale, there is a recipe for how to put kids back into human form.

        Quite relevant and correct decision of the FSB, but half-hearted. Along with the nationalization of the elite, it is necessary to nationalize the people and, as the next step, disable access to foreign Internet in Russia. We do not need a tub of slops on the fragile minds of our younger generation.

        Still remember:If you want to defeat a strong enemy, raise his children".
        1. Monster_Fat
          Monster_Fat 30 November 2022 08: 47
          +31
          Well, yes, how can we live without a "guide" then. No way. request Who, we have there, for the "omniscient" guide? And who are our new ideologists now? Ilyin, Solzhenitsyn, Dugin? winked Let's go far with them ... oh, far ... yes
          1. Boris55
            Boris55 30 November 2022 09: 03
            -35
            Quote: Monster_Fat
            Well, yes, how can we live without a "guide"

            So you yourself are looking for a guide abroad. You are not satisfied with our...
            It seems to you that the neighbor's mother is better, but she is better for her son, and not for you.
            1. Alf
              Alf 30 November 2022 17: 03
              +5
              Quote: Boris55
              You are not satisfied with our...

              And who is "our"? Only specifically.
          2. SARANCHA1976
            SARANCHA1976 30 November 2022 09: 26
            +7
            You do not understand anything in our philosophies .. Dr. Goebbels approves
        2. Galleon
          Galleon 30 November 2022 08: 48
          +29
          Boris, well, Oorfene Juice has not yet sprinkled you with his magic powder, this is understandable.
          You forgot to add slogans from the bright past: "today he turns on jazz, and tomorrow he will sell his homeland", etc.
          1. Boris55
            Boris55 30 November 2022 09: 00
            -25
            Quote: Galleon
            "today he turns on jazz, and tomorrow he will sell his homeland"

            So after all and betrayed! For jeans, for chewing gum... For carrots.
            1. AUL
              AUL 30 November 2022 09: 43
              +22
              Quote: Boris55
              So after all and betrayed! For jeans, for chewing gum... For carrots.

              Of course, tight trousers and moccasins "on semolina" are the height of betrayal and the sale of the Motherland! True, these dudes from the 50s, where only then they did not defend our Motherland!
              1. Boris55
                Boris55 30 November 2022 09: 52
                -33
                Quote: AUL
                tight trousers and loafers "on semolina" - the height of betrayal

                "Meet by clothes, see off by mind".
                Appearance always reflects the inner world of a person.
                1. AUL
                  AUL 30 November 2022 10: 13
                  +15
                  Quote: Boris55
                  Appearance always reflects the inner world of a person.
                  Where did you get it from? Did you come up with this aphorism yourself, or did someone learn it? Such categorical statements must be argued very seriously! laughing
                  1. Boris55
                    Boris55 30 November 2022 10: 19
                    -32
                    Quote: AUL
                    Such categorical statements must be argued very seriously!

                    Photos of successful people and homeless people and how someone is dressed - you yourself find it in the internet. laughing
                    1. AUL
                      AUL 30 November 2022 10: 25
                      +22
                      Quote: Boris55
                      Photos of successful people and homeless people and how someone is dressed - you yourself find it in the internet.

                      Yes, Chubais, Sechin or Zolotov apparently have the richest inner world! you can't argue here!
                    2. Plover
                      Plover 30 November 2022 17: 18
                      +8
                      "Krasava" Chubais and "schnik" Jobs. I think it is not necessary to say which of them is more successful?

              2. vkfriendly
                vkfriendly 1 December 2022 06: 30
                -4
                Yeah, in the nineties, from the happiness of the fallen, the Yankees sold themselves with giblets and diligently licked their crotch, some continue to lick to this day.
            2. frog
              frog 30 November 2022 10: 18
              +12
              So after all and betrayed! For jeans, for chewing gum... For carrots.

              "There is an opinion" that the dear General Secretary of the Central Committee had it all. Like other members of the Politburo .... However .....
              And yet, one deputy of the first democratically elected USSR Armed Forces noted in his speech that the car, no matter how badly its systems work, goes where the driver drives it .... steers ..... So we arrived.
            3. Alexey RA
              Alexey RA 30 November 2022 11: 34
              +18
              Quote: Boris55
              So after all and betrayed! For jeans, for chewing gum... For carrots.

              Those who actually betrayed and sold the Motherland wore strict suits of dark colors and from all the stands devoutly swore allegiance to the advanced teachings.
              But, of course, it is convenient to believe that the mighty USSR was destroyed by lovers of jeans and chewing gum. By the way, why the advanced Soviet system could not provide for the citizens of the world's first socialist state twill trousers, color - blue? wink Well, even if their own industry could not, what prevented them from ordering them in the countries of the social bloc (for example, in Vietnam) - in payment for supplies from the USSR?
              1. frog
                frog 30 November 2022 11: 40
                +5
                By the way, why was the advanced Soviet system unable to provide the citizens of the world's first socialist state with twill trousers, the color blue? wink Well, even if their own industry could not, what prevented them from ordering them in the countries of the social bloc (for example, in Vietnam) - in payment for supplies from the USSR?

                Lord!!!...... Who are you asking?)) And, most importantly, what answer do you want to hear? lol
        3. Svale
          Svale 30 November 2022 09: 05
          +18
          Quote: Boris55
          Everyone remembers: "If you want to defeat a strong enemy, raise his children."

          So who interfered with raising the children of enemies? What for to spread rot?
          1. Boris55
            Boris55 30 November 2022 09: 14
            -38
            Quote from Swale
            So who interfered with raising the children of enemies? What for to spread rot?

            It's time to lower you into the water in order to return your human form to you ...
            What did the FSB finally do.



            ps
            The symbol of water in the Russian opus is information.
            Dead water is a written word.
            Living water is a spoken word.
            1. Svale
              Svale 30 November 2022 10: 44
              +13
              Having a modest experience of dealing with this organization, they are engaged in completely different things. In the picture you have rather dead water, stagnant. Apparently you are sitting in this water. Come up already!
              1. Gvardeetz77
                Gvardeetz77 30 November 2022 19: 50
                +5
                Quote from Swale
                Having a modest experience of dealing with this organization, they are engaged in completely different things. In the picture you have rather dead water, stagnant. Apparently you are sitting in this water. Come up already!

                It did not sink, no matter how hard it tried, it floats all the time ...
            2. Plate
              Plate 30 November 2022 15: 28
              -1
              Quote: Boris55
              The symbol of water in the Russian opus is information.
              Dead water is a written word.
              Living water is a spoken word.

              Like from that anecdote where Pushkin sat and sat and invented a rhyme. And then I saw a blue curtain and realized that it was quite suitable. And 200 years later, a Russian teacher tells her students the deep meaning of blue curtains.
              In my opinion, if you can find a direct meaning, then it should be taken. And then you can think of anything. The water in the hoof is dirty. If you drink, you will get sick (and then there were no antibiotics, so you won’t get rid of the bacteria that you swallowed just like that) and you will die. That's nefig slurp from somewhere.
        4. SARANCHA1976
          SARANCHA1976 30 November 2022 09: 24
          +30
          How much pathos, tubs of slops and upbringing have been pushing us for 30 years by the same people who are now rubbing the exact opposite with the same honest eyes and anguish in their voice .. bloat already and take the bananas out of your ears
          1. Plate
            Plate 30 November 2022 15: 25
            -8
            What has been useful to us for 30 years is the habit of freedom of dissemination of information. Look how many dissatisfied in the comments.
        5. frog
          frog 30 November 2022 10: 15
          +15
          Alyonushka told her brother Ivanushka, don’t drink water (information) from that hoof (CNN), you will become a kid. Ivanushka did not listen, got drunk on Western information and became a goat ... This is how goats (bulk) appear in Rus' ... 30 years have passed ...

          Beautiful!!! Sales folklore adapted to this .... I just forgot to say that a person without water is not so that he would live long. And if you deprive him of water - naturally, he begins to drink, no matter what. Across the river, this rake was regularly stepped on. And where the father-commander was soaring with a problem - there was water, there was no hepatitis. At least systemically. And where the commander laid it on ... something - hepatitis, oddly enough, was.
          But Monsieur says correctly - you don’t need to drink, we won’t give water, and those who drank from the puddle - those. I have not yet seen the best propaganda for "braces" and "verticals". it remains to enter 58.10, the same one that "for chatting" - and order.
        6. skeptick2
          skeptick2 30 November 2022 10: 26
          +19
          Quote: Boris55
          Alyonushka told brother Ivanushka, don’t drink water (information) from that hoof (CNN), you will become a kid

          Those. in order not to become a goat, we recommend drinking some water exclusively and only from that hoof into which Mr. Konashenkov pours pure and seed truth? Is everything else forbidden?
          And nothing if I once again with numbers in hand I will prove (what I have already done and what other commentators have already done besides me) that the data of Mr. Konashenkov sometimes do not correspond to reality? In other words, are they just plain lies?
          Where can you get some water then? Please advise. Isn't it at Peskov's? For a person with universal answers “I don’t know, I’m not aware, they didn’t report to me, I’m not aware, I didn’t read, I didn’t see, I won’t comment, etc.”?
          Where else to look for the truth-womb? Once a year, listen to the guarantor? So after the pension promises, overtaking Portugal at the corners and statements about the creation of 25 million high-tech jobs, it also somehow doesn’t pull ...
        7. Plate
          Plate 30 November 2022 15: 23
          0
          Quote: Boris55
          disable foreign Internet access in Russia.

          Yes, you are crazy!
          1. Technical information, scientific literature, video guides on various topics, and more. I'm just a novice specialist, so I don't go far into different topics - it's still early - but even I sometimes have to go to English-language sources. Can you imagine how often more highly qualified specialists in different areas do this?
          2. Do you have Windows? I'm sure yes. And even if not, the question is the same. Where will you get software updates? Or will we use outdated versions? Or what?
          3. And, in the end, only Russian cartoons and films can be watched, right? What, I can't watch Star Wars anymore? Of course, there are copies of a lot of things in the Russian segment for a long time, but the media pipeline does not stop there either.
          4. And yes, political information from the other side is sometimes also interesting to read.
        8. Goto
          Goto 30 November 2022 18: 38
          +2
          Let's ban EVERYTHING!! Basically EVERYTHING! Why make the country better? Are we afraid for "fragile" minds? Maybe it's time to make weak minds stronger?
        9. IImonolitII
          IImonolitII 30 November 2022 20: 04
          +1
          We nationalize the elite, society, system. And why are you better than horses, and who will denazify you after?
      2. AUL
        AUL 30 November 2022 09: 32
        +27
        Quote: Monster_Fat
        Fun times are coming. Someone at the beginning of the NWO was joking here about the fact that, like during the Second World War, it would not come to the surrender of radio receivers and leaving only the local radio network on which only propaganda radio broadcasts would go. Oh well. Let's see, let's see, something tells me that the worst forecasts in this regard will soon come true ...

        And on VO they will stop printing Roman, and only Hagen and Boris55 will write comments!
        Looks like the site is coming to an end!
        1. Sergej1972
          Sergej1972 30 November 2022 09: 56
          +3
          Well, Roman will be published, because he is one of the main ones on this site.)
        2. frog
          frog 30 November 2022 10: 18
          +14
          Looks like the site is coming to an end!

          If only the site hi
        3. Alf
          Alf 30 November 2022 17: 06
          +5
          Quote: AUL
          and only Hagen and Boris55 will write comments!

          And only they will be listed as VO visitors ...
      3. alekseykabanets
        alekseykabanets 30 November 2022 10: 24
        +1
        Quote: Monster_Fat
        Let's see, let's see, something tells me that the worst forecasts in this regard will soon come true ..

        Yes, it's time to buy a VPS somewhere in Armenia or Kazakhstan and deploy your VPN there.)))) It will not be particularly convenient to surf through the bridge in TOR.
        1. Fan-fan
          Fan-fan 30 November 2022 14: 21
          +8
          Wait, the Internet will also be turned off, and if it doesn’t work out, then it will be limited to the maximum.
          And on the other hand, I think maybe this is what we need for our hopeless stupidity, because with a stupid population you can do whatever they want. And there are a lot of fools, even here on the site many are happy and approve of all this that is happening to our country.
          1. alekseykabanets
            alekseykabanets 30 November 2022 14: 56
            0
            Quote: Fan-Fan
            Wait, the Internet will also be turned off, and if it doesn’t work out, then it will be limited to the maximum.

            The devil knows! Here is a site with official php documentation - php.net, how can I disable it? How to code then? Same with html, css, whatever! And in general, with any documentation, the entire bourgeois Internet will not be turned off, they will not be able to, tk. there is nothing in the ru segment! This is not the USSR where the scientific work of the bourgeois was translated and published at home. Although all these khinshteins look like they itch a lot. They can’t even do rutub normally to turn off YouTube (although they put eyes on YouTube’s bubble for a long time), literally half a year or a year ago, public services in places displayed text with html tags together. Make a "white list" so that you can only go there? So I can't even imagine how many addresses there will be. Perhaps they will make some sort of hand-made firewall, or maybe not quite hand-made, but there will still be holes there.
            Quote: Fan-Fan
            And on the other hand, I think maybe that's what we need for our hopeless stupidity,

            And bad patience.
            Quote: Fan-Fan
            And there are a lot of fools, even here on the site many rejoice and approve of all this.

            Yes. I think that more and more trolls are Prigozhin's, we have all known the local "mikhans" for a long time, there are not very many of them.
            PS And there are many technologies, from ssh, for example, you won’t go anywhere, but as in the North. Korea to do, so their arms are short, we’ll break through, I think so.))))
    6. Deon59
      Deon59 30 November 2022 08: 41
      +14
      And whoever wages war, we have a kind of NWO. If there is a war, then why are we selling oil and gas to enemies. If there is a war, where is general mobilization, where is martial law.
    7. paul3390
      paul3390 30 November 2022 08: 59
      +40
      You know, the more I look at what is happening, the more I am convinced that our authorities have managed to create an epic cadaver, taking everything that is nasty and getting both from the USSR and the West .. At the same time, they have ruined all the social and economic achievements of the great Soviet Union, and - now all the type of liberal achievements of the West, like the declared freedom of speech, freedom of assembly, elections, etc.

      How do they get it??? belay what
      1. Galleon
        Galleon 30 November 2022 09: 04
        +28
        Naturally it turns out. They just hate us all.
        1. paul3390
          paul3390 30 November 2022 09: 09
          +21
          You might think - we love them very much ...


          “It’s all from here,” said Roman. “I told him a thousand times: “You are programming the standard superegocentric. He will rake in all the material values ​​​​that he can reach, and then he will collapse space, pupate and stop time. (C)
          1. Galleon
            Galleon 30 November 2022 09: 29
            +9
            Immortal thing! laughing
            I like it more about the model of a person who is not satisfied with his stomach: "A team of hawkers ran through with a howl" ...)))
            1. paul3390
              paul3390 30 November 2022 09: 35
              +25
              “When Kafka, Orwell, Pelevin, Sorokin, Voinovich came true in Russia, it was funny. But when "Dunno on the Moon" and "Cipollino" came true, it became really scary "(c)
              1. vadimtt
                vadimtt 30 November 2022 11: 39
                +10
                The main thing is that Kin Dza Dza does not come true, because the whole planet was "erased" there.
          2. frog
            frog 30 November 2022 10: 21
            +4
            Of course, Comrade Junta, as a former foreigner and church worker, is allowed to be mistaken from time to time, but you, Comrade Oira-Oira, and you, Fyodor Simeonovich, you are ordinary Russian people!
            - P-stop demagoguery! - finally exploded, and Fedor Simeonovich. - K-how are you not ashamed to carry such nonsense? What kind of n-simple person am I to you? And what kind of word is this - n-simple? This d-duplicate is simple! ..

            So they will remain here and will warm the soul of Glavpur with their speeches. As once. And then his 1991 will come ......
            1. Alexey RA
              Alexey RA 30 November 2022 11: 39
              +3
              People do not need unhealthy sensations. The people need healthy sensations!
              © ABS. SOT
      2. Akuzenka
        Akuzenka 30 November 2022 10: 16
        +5
        How do they get it???
        If you set a goal and you can not create this. Okay, while you can: There are too many small facts that, when combined, form a picture that the Russian Federation will be handed over. Give up quietly and calmly. And we will turn into a scarecrow for China, with Bandera Gauleiters in power, with nuclear weapons under US control. I do not see a growth of another goal on the path that the Russian Federation is following.
    8. nemez
      nemez 30 November 2022 10: 45
      -12
      The adherents of the buffoon threw cons at you, all the same, with the brains of people we have less and less. I support you, everything is on point, there is not even much to add.
    9. Churchill
      Churchill 30 November 2022 12: 23
      +3
      At 5:28, normal people are still sleeping, and you are already at your "battle post". You see how many "craps" have already been thrown at you, this is for you both for the criminal code and for .........
    10. Vend
      Vend 30 November 2022 12: 44
      -8
      Quote: Vasily50
      As the author turned out. BUT?
      Nothing that RUSSIA is waging war? Nothing that Europe-USA do not hesitate to declare the destruction of RUSSIA as their goal?
      Remember how in RUSSIA they introduced a law about * a foreign agent *? The law is much softer than in the US, and how much was howling.
      Adherents of *freedom-democracies* frankly LIE to us about *universal happiness in Europe-USA* and about the boundlessness of opportunities somewhere out there. Omitting, as unimportant, about frankly police regimes in Europe and the United States. There, if they allow criticism, but only * outside *, or against those who are being persecuted like Trump.
      It is a pity that there is still no criminal liability for lobbying the interests of foreign countries.

      This is a very good blow to the anti-Russian media.
    11. AB
      AB 30 November 2022 13: 55
      0
      The USSR was destroyed, among other things, by slogans about human rights and freedom of speech. There is no USSR, and the current situation in Ukraine is a consequence of that. And now, they introduce censorship justifying the current situation and directly say that freedom of speech is a relic of the 90s.

      The bewilderment of people is easily explained.
    12. AdAstra
      AdAstra 30 November 2022 13: 56
      0
      Yes, we are not waging war, we have our own - "special military operation" or are you questioning the words of the right?
    13. Paul Siebert
      Paul Siebert 30 November 2022 14: 14
      +4
      Quote: Vasily50
      Adherents of *freedom-democracies* frankly LIE to us about *universal happiness in Europe-USA*

      Dim, don't worry, these adherents who have gone to Ukraine now also have BIG PROBLEMS!
      Yulia Latynina, who pulled there even before the start of the NWO, reports:

      There is no time for lobbying ... it smells bad ... and there is no water in the tap ... as well as in the toilet tank ... that's cryt to anyone ... wink
      1. man
        man 30 November 2022 19: 11
        +5
        it’s good that they didn’t piss, otherwise all the Western media would write that Putin has not only long arms
    14. Anton5051
      Anton5051 30 November 2022 16: 51
      0
      Where are we at war? I personally have not heard. About Svo, yes, but about the war, doesn’t it seem like too much?
    15. man
      man 30 November 2022 18: 45
      +4
      Seriously, the intentions may be good, but the decision is debatable.
      The people are already so annoyed, and here they are also depriving them of the opportunity to "let off steam." I judge by myself. When dissatisfaction with the authorities reached its climax, I went to the site ... the echo of Moscow. After reading articles there, and especially comments on them by Ekhov cannibals, for me Putin and his gang of friends turned into just cute naughty smile Seriously! For everything is known in comparison! When the echo was banned, I began to watch adversary voices on YouTube. That's where the subjectivity is, that's where the very cunning vile lies, devilishly skillfully mixed with the truth! And how cunning and smart they are, the Ehov audience is just village fools against them, not to mention the majority of our propagandists. Okay, the older generation received such an inoculation from them in the 90s that they won’t succumb, but the youth ... that’s the question ...
      Sorry for the confusion...
    16. bk0010
      bk0010 30 November 2022 22: 19
      +2
      Quote: Vasily50
      Nothing that RUSSIA is waging war?
      Who told you this? Moreover, such a statement can cost you 50 tyr.
    17. Basil50
      Basil50 1 December 2022 04: 29
      -1
      Yeah, really.
      The hysteria for *the right to know everything* turned out to be *loud*.
      So it will soon come to discussions of the planned military operations. There, the GRU, the FSB, the Ministry of Internal Affairs and other things will come to publicity.
      Well, why? After all, everyone *has the right* to know, and of course from the original source, any information.
      For what?
      For scratching vanity?
      1. ABC-schutze
        ABC-schutze 3 December 2022 10: 54
        +1
        Excuse me, but if the Supreme Commander-in-Chief for almost SIX months from the date of the start of the NWO, publicly and constantly declared to the Russians that "everything is going according to plan", and in the eighth - ninth month of the NWO, the Kyiv Nazis almost regularly strike at the Crimea, blew up the Crimean bridge, and the Russian troops, left Kherson and Izyum, "uncomfortable" questions to the "planners" cannot but arise ...

        Moreover, among the Russians there are still people in military affairs and in matters of planning - preparation, operations of such a level as the NVO, very professionally "understanding something" ...
    18. ABC-schutze
      ABC-schutze 2 December 2022 22: 33
      +1
      That's precisely because Russia is waging war, and its well-equipped, healthy, Russian servicemen, in the amount of 12 people, "lying side by side" on the pavement, with their hands folded on their heads, and literally three Kyiv Nazis walk "on them", and no one for the Russians and is not going to explain anything. Including the Supreme Commander.

      And, once again, they "offer" some officially - on duty "indignation at what happened." And no less on-duty statements that "the perpetrators of the crime will be punished" ...

      That is precisely why "uncomfortable questions" to the Russian authorities, who started the NWO, arise ...
  2. Lech from Android.
    Lech from Android. 30 November 2022 05: 30
    +20
    Of course, although Bortnikov is the head of the FSB, blunders with some prohibitions border on the level of absurdity.
    Well, for example, about our losses ... they can be approximately recognized in a known way in cemeteries, in hospitals in the country.
    More about new weapons, tactics, names of commanders, etc. etc. all this is laid out on enemy resources and freely gets into our citizens' ears and eyes.
    It sometimes amazes me that the enemy learns about all this faster than our own citizens.
    In the event of a defeat at the fronts, all this can lead to unrest in society and, as a result, a conflict between the authorities and their own people with a predictable outcome ... we are stepping on the old rake again ... history has not taught the Kremlin leaders not to repeat the old mistakes.
    1. Machito
      Machito 30 November 2022 06: 17
      +26
      Censorship in Russia will soon catch up with Ukraine. You can also introduce a ban on opposition parties. Why are we worse than Ukraine? This is how Ukrainianization happens.
      1. Asad
        Asad 30 November 2022 06: 29
        +11
        Please name at least one really oppositionist?
        1. Ingvar 72
          Ingvar 72 30 November 2022 06: 37
          +9
          Quote: ASAD
          Please name at least one really oppositionist?

          They can be called conventionally oppositional, to one degree or another.
        2. kor1vet1974
          kor1vet1974 30 November 2022 08: 09
          +8
          Please name at least one really oppositionist?
          We have the opposition as in the UK. They have opposition, His Majesty and we have the same thing. smile
        3. Deon59
          Deon59 30 November 2022 08: 47
          +1
          The main opposition party is the people, but they are still thinking where to start. With stripping or defending
          1. Alexander Ra
            Alexander Ra 30 November 2022 16: 47
            +1
            Quote from Deon59
            The main opposition party is the people

            The opposite is true - based on the definition: "The opposition (from Latin oppositio" opposition ") is ... a group that opposes ... the opinion supported by the majority."
        4. Sergej1972
          Sergej1972 30 November 2022 09: 59
          +1
          All over the world, opposition parties are those that do not control the executive branch and (or) are not part of the parliamentary majority.
    2. Uncle lee
      Uncle lee 30 November 2022 06: 27
      +13
      Immeasurable freedom of expression is simply dangerous.
      The most useful thing is silence in a rag, that is, in a mask ....
      1. Des
        Des 30 November 2022 19: 45
        +1
        Quote: Uncle Lee
        The most useful thing is silence in a rag, that is, in a mask ....
        so after all it was (maybe it is?)), when organized users of the site "minus" organized others. Users of the VO website. And nothing. In addition, we need an educational program on censorship - both for the site and for the general education of visitors (of course, in accordance with the rules of the site - this is not censorship, after all).
    3. Private89
      Private89 30 November 2022 06: 37
      +39
      It seems that the casting for the role of Rasputin and Nicholas 2 is in full swing.
      In general, well, they will forbid to speak, this will not abolish the contradictions that are accumulating in our society and bans cannot solve the problem. This power simply closes another way of feedback, what can I say, the gentlemen are on the right track. But the end result I think they will be very surprised.
      1. paul3390
        paul3390 30 November 2022 09: 00
        +19
        The role of Nicholas II is already taken. Looking forward to the final.
        1. frog
          frog 30 November 2022 10: 24
          +2
          The role of Nicholas II is already taken. Looking forward to the final.

          Has the house been renovated?
      2. Alexey RA
        Alexey RA 30 November 2022 11: 42
        +4
        Quote: Private 89
        It seems that the casting for the role of Rasputin and Nicholas 2 is in full swing.

    4. Aviator_
      Aviator_ 30 November 2022 08: 41
      -4
      Well, for example, about our losses ... they can be approximately recognized in a known way in cemeteries, in hospitals in the country.
      More about new weapons, tactics, names of commanders, etc. etc. all this is laid out on enemy resources and freely gets into our citizens' ears and eyes.
      This data is presented in a favorable light for the enemy, where he can add, where he can correct in the right direction. This is not a reason to give out the true state of affairs, even with losses - after all, this is a direct indication of the effectiveness or inefficiency of one or another of his operations. So the article reflects the blogger's fear of being further from the trough of fried facts.
  3. parusnik
    parusnik 30 November 2022 05: 41
    +19
    The best thing to do is to ban it! Jump to level:
    "Two pieces of sausage
    You lay on the table
    You told me fairy tales
    Only I didn’t believe you "... (c)
    1. Lech from Android.
      Lech from Android. 30 November 2022 05: 45
      +12
      Quote: parusnik
      The best thing to do is to ban it!

      There will be an information hunger ... it is no less dangerous than food hunger ... the information void in people's heads will be filled with surrogates and dummies ... we saw what this will lead to in the 90s.
      1. The popuas
        The popuas 30 November 2022 06: 35
        +12
        The cips will fill the information vacuum ... no doubt No.
  4. samarin1969
    samarin1969 30 November 2022 05: 47
    +30
    Already after the strange "capture" of the Azov people, censorship "corrected" the official media. Now the web will begin to shake. "Cart" will not save. For the most part, authors are public figures. Even Rybar was "identified". And in vain Roman reflects on the articles of the law. They will beat "not according to the passport." bully ... Such a gray-haired tradition of the special services.

    ps According to indirect signs, a thinking person can already appreciate "changes at the front." It will be more tragic if this by-law is a harbinger of the next "difficult decisions."
    1. Asad
      Asad 30 November 2022 06: 23
      +13
      Shariy's audience will grow substantially.
      1. samarin1969
        samarin1969 30 November 2022 06: 31
        +6
        Quote: ASAD
        Shariy's audience will grow substantially.


        good ....Oh - yes, it is - yes!
        And they can also "carry out work" with him or turn him into a manual "Kassada".
        1. Alt 22
          Alt 22 30 November 2022 10: 02
          +4
          Kassad, by the way, got ugly, in fact, turned from a powerful INDEPENDENT top blogger into a jingoistic branch of Konashenkov.
          Moreover, there he only has "total approval" - for example, they deleted my comment for the phrase "strike on decision-making centers." The ban follows ANY criticism of the mistakes of the authorities.
          1. frog
            frog 30 November 2022 10: 27
            +1
            The ban follows ANY criticism of the mistakes of the authorities.

            And rightly so, comrades. And this is absolutely true, this is our path and we should follow it "(c)
            Only someone - under escort .... Ibonefiga to rock boats, shake pipes and, in general, even breathe without rallying. "The time is like this."
            And the colonel..... He is also a living person. I could figure it out myself .... They could have suggested .... in an uncontested form ......
            1. Alt 22
              Alt 22 1 December 2022 09: 23
              0
              Sulya, apparently, made an offer that is impossible to refuse without consequences.
              "Don't rock the boat, the rats are sick!"
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    2. Lech from Android.
      Lech from Android. 30 November 2022 06: 00
      +26
      Quote: Nitarius
      Doesn’t your site want to know a lot about our troops then? and gentlemen from the USA?

      US satellites hanging over our troops will learn no less in real time ... what to do with this?
      1. Gardamir
        Gardamir 30 November 2022 06: 31
        +35
        US satellites hanging over our troops will learn no less in real time ... what to do with this?
        So the law was adopted not against the United States and other partners, but against the Russian people
  6. Leader_Barmaleev
    Leader_Barmaleev 30 November 2022 05: 52
    +8
    They sailed... But what if we look at the situation unbiasedly from the point of view of the objective laws of psychology and sociology? For the mournful mind, I will immediately make a reservation - I am against censorship and for the freedom to receive and disseminate information - this is so that my further words are perceived in the right way. So, when the bourgeois zealously and with a spark destroyed the Soviet Union, the mantras most often sounded: FREEDOM OF SPEECH, GLASNOST, NEW THINKING. The words are good, but the semantic content is very disappointing. New thinking degenerated into irresponsible fantasies and other polygenderism, glasnost (from the English glass - glass) naturally degenerated into a booze, but with freedom of speech everything was much, very much more complicated. So, there are two concepts of freedom of speech: 1. Correspondence of responsibility for what was said to what was said, and 2. What I want is silent. The first option, recognized by the jurisprudence of the whole world, suggests that the person who told the TRUTH should be encouraged and the responsibility is borne by those people whose unsightly role is highlighted by this truth. In the second case, the individual carrying all sorts of nonsense is considered untouchable and the responsibility is borne by those people who prevent him from, let's say, irresponsibly fantasize. I am a very big opponent of freedom of speech according to the second option, but it has dominated the information field for the last thirty years. AND NOW THE PENDULUM HAS STOCKED THE OTHER SIDE! - it so happened historically that any system reaches the optimum through overcoming extreme points - after some time the pendulum will swing again towards irresponsible chatter, but not so much, then again to censorship, but already light, and someday it will come golden mean. But it won't be soon, alas.
    1. Foul skeptic
      Foul skeptic 30 November 2022 09: 10
      +4
      publicity (from English glass - glass)

      wassat
      1. Leader_Barmaleev
        Leader_Barmaleev 30 November 2022 09: 24
        -3
        I would be glad if you offer a different version of the origin of TOI, imposed on us by the Anglo-Saxons, publicity. Certainly, this word is not from the popular voice, which subsequent events showed.
      2. frog
        frog 30 November 2022 10: 30
        +2
        Vowel - a member of the assembly with a decisive vote in the Russian Empire

        Apparently, without a granchak, it was professionally unsuitable ......
  7. Lech from Android.
    Lech from Android. 30 November 2022 05: 56
    +15
    Quote: samarin1969
    It will be more tragic if this by-law is a harbinger of the next "difficult decisions."

    You can also discuss this topic... smile but it becomes painfully poofy... respectable people will be touched... and they don't like publicity.
  8. Smirnov Vadim
    Smirnov Vadim 30 November 2022 05: 58
    +27
    Quote: Nitarius
    and then your Saitik doesn’t want to know much about our troops then? and gentlemen from the USA?

    The site is physically located in St. Petersburg. There is a service in the USA that saves from DDoS attacks that have been going on non-stop since February. If not for this service, we would not work a day. Information for the "smartest".
    1. Boris55
      Boris55 30 November 2022 09: 59
      -11
      Quote: Smirnov Vadim
      The site is physically located in St. Petersburg

      The law on obscuring unwanted characters in the media has been repealed. Why are the flags of the forum participants not being restored at VO? What is it connected with?
      1. frog
        frog 30 November 2022 10: 31
        +6
        Because none of the sane people need it. And for others - "Serbian" is still working ....
        1. Boris55
          Boris55 30 November 2022 11: 05
          -12
          Quote: frog
          Because none of the sane people need it

          Don't need what? Know who you are talking to?

          I’m proud that I was born and raised in the USSR and I want everyone to see my flag, but those who hide it raise questions why and for what purpose ... Censorship in this regard works on VO ...

          I am contacting the site admins. If you do not want to return the flags to everyone, then at least return it to me - the flag of the USSR. Thank you.
          1. frog
            frog 30 November 2022 11: 17
            +4
            Don't need what? Know who you are talking to?

            By the presence of a certain sign, do you already know what is under the sign? But you are just unique! On the shed, for example, the same thing is written, however .....
            I'm proud to be born and raised in the USSR

            How does the presence / absence of a nameplate prevent you from doing this?
            but those who hide it raise questions, why and for what purpose ...

            And ninada think about everyone as well as about yourself lol
            If you do not want to return the flags to everyone, then at least return it to me - the flag of the USSR.

            For some reason, the authorities so supported by you do not like him feel . Then you can return the flags of Austria-Hungary, sorry, the Second Reich, or, say, the SFRY ..... And yet what will it give to others? And why should the administration of the site scratch your CHSV? And you are doing so well...
          2. Vasilyevich Pensioner
            Vasilyevich Pensioner 30 November 2022 11: 23
            +2
            then return at least it to me - the flag of the USSR.
            As a last resort, you can replace the sky with the flag of the USSR.
    2. alekseykabanets
      alekseykabanets 30 November 2022 10: 44
      +4
      I really would not want the site to turn into an analogue of a politician. Good luck to your team at this difficult time.
  9. Van 16
    Van 16 30 November 2022 06: 08
    +33
    I remembered something classic -
    "Listen to the order. In order to avoid an epidemic of eye diseases, and only for this reason, it is forbidden to look at the sky. What is happening in the sky, you will learn from the communiqué, which will be issued by the dragon master's personal secretary as needed."
    (C) Schwartz "Dragon"
    1. User_neydobniu
      User_neydobniu 30 November 2022 06: 32
      +16
      Well, then we will act according to the classics
      "Pedlar (briskly, in a whisper). But for whom is an interesting scientific
      tool, the so-called mirror - you look down, and
      do you see the sky? Everyone for an inexpensive price can see the dragon at
      their legs."
  10. Virus-free crown
    Virus-free crown 30 November 2022 06: 29
    +1
    Again, the Author is outraged by something !!! drinks good
    It's just that we are rapidly returning to our "origins", when the messenger who brought the bad news was cut off his head lol Well, just think, VO will have to be closed ... This, of course, is a wild minus ... crying crying crying But every medal has a downside. bully
    Offhand pluses - the nightingale on television will also stop its "songs", and Konashenkov will be extremely brief in his reviews, here either to say every day that his work is still going on, or to report that it is finished - the FSB order leaves him no other options))) ))))))))))
    1. Monster_Fat
      Monster_Fat 30 November 2022 07: 20
      +15
      No, a robot from MO can say anything - no one will check it, there is no one to check ....
      1. Virus-free crown
        Virus-free crown 30 November 2022 07: 28
        +2
        Quote: Monster_Fat
        No, a robot from MO can say anything - no one will check it, there is no one to check ....

        entrust ... check ... little things in life))) we stupidly take the FSB order in our hands and write complaints ... by the end of the program, "people in civilian clothes" burst into the studio, wring their hands and take them away in a pose laughing
      2. Lykases1
        Lykases1 30 November 2022 07: 57
        +10
        You're right. Moreover, our law works somewhat mysteriously. For someone to the fullest, but for someone - it's different. It's sad, really, but what can you do.
    2. Stirbjorn
      Stirbjorn 30 November 2022 09: 54
      -2
      Quote: Corona without virus
      Well, just think, VO will have to be closed ... This, of course, is a wild minus ... But every medal has a downside
      On the other hand, the TsPSioshniks (or whatever they are) will have nowhere to harm Russian society, to the delight of local information fighters with these very mysterious creatures ... though in this case, the information fighters themselves will be left without work, and can (horror) fall from warm sofas into the zone real fighting wassat
      1. Ulan.1812
        Ulan.1812 30 November 2022 11: 00
        +5
        Quote: Stirbjorn
        Quote: Corona without virus
        Well, just think, VO will have to be closed ... This, of course, is a wild minus ... But every medal has a downside
        On the other hand, the TsPSioshniks (or whatever they are) will have nowhere to harm Russian society, to the delight of local information fighters with these very mysterious creatures ... though in this case, the information fighters themselves will be left without work, and can (horror) fall from warm sofas into the zone real fighting wassat

        And how do you ban tsipsoshnikam?
        Just the FSB will not get them, and they will calmly spoil.
        We citizens of Russia can be held accountable, but they are not.
        1. frog
          frog 30 November 2022 11: 19
          +2
          Yes, just ban. Everything will close. And there will be nowhere (as the initiator believes)) to harm the scoundrels ....
          1. Stirbjorn
            Stirbjorn 30 November 2022 11: 22
            +3
            Quote: frog
            Yes, just ban. Everything will close. And there will be nowhere (as the initiator believes)) to harm the scoundrels ....
            exactly good
            PS the team of deputy Nalivkin could shoot the corresponding video lol
            1. frog
              frog 30 November 2022 11: 45
              +1
              Well, it was under this sun. How did it end?))
            2. Third district
              Third district 30 November 2022 20: 08
              +2
              Quote: Stirbjorn
              PS the team of deputy Nalivkin could shoot the corresponding video

              Nalivkin is not a deputy. He is the chairman of the executive committee ☝️
  11. Konnick
    Konnick 30 November 2022 06: 31
    +22
    A convenient law for some members of society ... but also narrow-minded.
    It reminded me of the situation with closed nuclear cities. They hid on the maps until the mid-80s, as required by the KGB, but American satellites flew and saw these cities, coolly "secret" by the KGB, not marked on any map and so that the CIA had no doubt about the appointment of these cities. ... The question is from whom were these cities hidden?
    So here, a good justification for ensuring secrecy from the Armed Forces of Ukraine will simply give rise to a lot of rumors and fakes. An extremely stupid decision, although there have been no others lately.
  12. Gardamir
    Gardamir 30 November 2022 06: 34
    +34
    And I look at such phenomena from one point of view. When it was necessary to destroy the Soviet power. we were frightened by the lack of publicity, democracy and various other freedoms. But as soon as the country stepped into the jungle of capitalism, it turned out that there were enemies and freedom all around.
    1. Jonny_Su
      Jonny_Su 30 November 2022 07: 35
      +5
      No, this is just a rollback when there are "enemies around". In the 2000s, life was normal with much fewer restrictions and fewer enemies. I remember even the NATO logistics point in Ulyanovsk was quite normal.
  13. Nikolay Malyugin
    Nikolay Malyugin 30 November 2022 06: 35
    +3
    All Russian satirists would now be foreign agents. The tension in the world is great. But this does not mean that everyone should announce a "trumpet covenant." They were strong, and suddenly they call Malchish-Kibalchish. Comedies also came out during the war. And at the end of the war, even "Wedding". Now nothing serious has begun, and they are already ready to put everyone under arms. All these orders come from the special services. They have forgotten the best testament of these bodies. We must work imperceptibly, but effectively.
  14. Guran33 Sergey
    Guran33 Sergey 30 November 2022 06: 48
    -17
    And where is it written that these restrictions apply to journalists? Actually, we are talking about talkers in the Moscow Region and civilians classified as "secret." And yes! If our bloggers and journalists adhered to internal censorship, like CNN.BBC and all the world's media owned by citizens of the USA, Great Britain and NATO member countries, then there would be no need to introduce a forced restriction on publications of a military-applied nature. And by the way, both in the Yugoslav tragedy and in Iraq in the states and NATO had their own "konashenko" and the journalists did not even get close to the military, and no one in these countries was indignant at the obvious restriction of human rights to information
    1. parma
      parma 30 November 2022 08: 24
      +10
      Quote: Guran33 Sergey
      And where is it written that these restrictions apply to journalists? Actually, we are talking about talkers in the Moscow Region and civilians classified as "secret." And yes! If our bloggers and journalists adhered to internal censorship, like CNN.BBC and all the world's media owned by citizens of the USA, Great Britain and NATO member countries, then there would be no need to introduce a forced restriction on publications of a military-applied nature. And by the way, both in the Yugoslav tragedy and in Iraq in the states and NATO had their own "konashenko" and the journalists did not even get close to the military, and no one in these countries was indignant at the obvious restriction of human rights to information

      Yes, yes, yes, everything was kept secret to such an extent that, for example, in the summer of 2004 (a year after the operation) the book “Generation of Killers” was published in the USA (later the series was also filmed), where the author directly pointed out cases of lack of supplies, incompetence and command errors , murders of civilians, etc., etc., but in general, “yes, everything is super duper secret, still shot for discussing” ...
      1. Guran33 Sergey
        Guran33 Sergey 30 November 2022 09: 13
        -12
        The active phase of the civil war on the territory of the former USSR will end, then it is necessary and necessary to bring to justice incompetent, thieves sadists, highlight the bottlenecks of the operation, analyze mistakes, put on the guilty, but then, when this does not threaten the fighters and the security of the state (sadists from Abu Great when surfaced? But NT journalists found out about them almost immediately, but they kept the fried information until the end of hostilities)
        1. parma
          parma 30 November 2022 09: 48
          +6
          Quote: Guran33 Sergey
          The active phase of the civil war on the territory of the former USSR will end, then it is necessary and necessary to bring to justice incompetent, thieves sadists, highlight the bottlenecks of the operation, analyze mistakes, put on the guilty, but then, when this does not threaten the fighters and the security of the state (sadists from Abu Great when surfaced? But NT journalists found out about them almost immediately, but they kept the fried information until the end of hostilities)

          “Later” there will be either “woe to the vanquished” or “winners are not judged” ... to complete the task, it must be set, and to solve the problem it must be recognized ... in the states, a hype quickly arose regarding bullying in prisons of prisoners (in the spring of 2004, those were less than a year after the completion of the operation, and after all, the prisoners did not go to prison immediately, and the torture also began not the fact that from the first second) and seethed for a very long time, since lawsuits, proceedings and investigations in the normal legal field are not a fast thing (and later it led to the discussion of the problem of torture in other places) ...
          The story with Jessica Lynch was actively discussed right during the conflict (despite the fact that it was very fleeting and it was quite simple to drown out the winners, they were not judged), they actively discussed how the column was ambushed in general, pointed out the failure of the command (11 people died at a time , this is almost 10% of all American losses for the database), the situation was so hot that the American command, according to some reports, had to put on a performance with the rescue of the "soldier", and the masses of waste products were still seething no 7 (they wanted to give her a medal, but many the military were against it because the situation is quite ordinary, without much heroism, then the "colored" ones also began to connect) ... in general, censorship is always bad, because at least it only leads to escalating the situation
        2. Alt 22
          Alt 22 30 November 2022 10: 06
          +3
          Bringing to justice incompetent and guilty of many miscalculations officials from the Russian government threatens the security of the state??? Of course you screwed it up...
          And a caveat - almost according to Freud!
        3. Ulan.1812
          Ulan.1812 30 November 2022 10: 57
          +3
          Quote: Guran33 Sergey
          The active phase of the civil war on the territory of the former USSR will end, then it is necessary and necessary to bring to justice incompetent, thieves sadists, highlight the bottlenecks of the operation, analyze mistakes, put on the guilty, but then, when this does not threaten the fighters and the security of the state (sadists from Abu Great when surfaced? But NT journalists found out about them almost immediately, but they kept the fried information until the end of hostilities)

          That's when they will definitely put everything on the brakes and no one will be punished.
          They won, what else do you need, why some kind of showdown ... rejoice.
          1. Guran33 Sergey
            Guran33 Sergey 2 December 2022 11: 04
            +1
            This is the task of the editors to remind, so as not to forget
      2. Alexey RA
        Alexey RA 30 November 2022 11: 49
        +2
        Quote: parma
        Yes, yes, yes, everything was kept secret to such an extent that, for example, in the summer of 2004 (a year after the operation) the book “Generation of Killers” was published in the USA

        The fact of the matter is that after operations. That's it, the job is done - now you can slightly open the veil and let off steam. In short, fist-waving after a fight.
        During the operation in the cradle of democracy, total approval pours from the media. And the command in the operation zone issues instructions that only accredited journalists are allowed to cover, only information from the press center is allowed to be distributed, all trips to the troops are coordinated, and the material again passes through the press center. Step to the left, step to the right - deprivation of accreditation with subsequent expulsion from the conflict zone. For access to the operation zone is limited, and there is no place for ordinary civilians there.
        1. parma
          parma 30 November 2022 12: 15
          +2
          Quote: Alexey RA
          Quote: parma
          Yes, yes, yes, everything was kept secret to such an extent that, for example, in the summer of 2004 (a year after the operation) the book “Generation of Killers” was published in the USA

          The fact of the matter is that after operations. That's it, the job is done - now you can slightly open the veil and let off steam. In short, fist-waving after a fight.
          During the operation in the cradle of democracy, total approval pours from the media. And the command in the operation zone issues instructions that only accredited journalists are allowed to cover, only information from the press center is allowed to be distributed, all trips to the troops are coordinated, and the material again passes through the press center. Step to the left, step to the right - deprivation of accreditation with subsequent expulsion from the conflict zone. For access to the operation zone is limited, and there is no place for ordinary civilians there.

          Below I gave another example of the story of Jessica Lynch, which was discussed and thundered all over the USA right during the operation, which actually took only 3 weeks! The Americans actively discussed how 33 fighters as part of a column of light equipment without cover, reconnaissance and any support ended up in a large city controlled by the enemy. Why did 11 people die (this is almost 10% of all American losses during the operation), and some of the soldiers were captured. The hype was so big and loud that a combined group of special forces of all stripes was assembled to get the girl out, according to reports, at that time there were no Iraqi soldiers left in the hospital at all and the special forces had to simulate an assault on camera in order to report on a very difficult and dangerous operation and somehow reassure the public!
          And the book came out a year later for a banal reason - in 11 months the author managed to visit the database zone, return, write a book, go through editorial changes, find a publisher, print and distribute to stores! How many articles are even moderated on VO, three days? And this is text on 3-4 sheets of A4, and in the book there were under 400 pages. And yes, journalists are accredited in all countries at any public events, I am silent about database zones so that the management knows who and where in case of unpleasant situations (as was the case with our journalists in the CAR), censorship has nothing to do with it
  15. certero
    certero 30 November 2022 06: 56
    +12
    Quote: Private 89
    It seems that the casting for the role of Rasputin and Nicholas 2 is in full swing.

    Here, too, I listen to Yegor Yakovlev's cycle of videos about the First World War, and the coincidence literally amaze and frighten.
    1. Stirbjorn
      Stirbjorn 30 November 2022 09: 58
      +5
      Quote: certero
      Here, too, I listen to Yegor Yakovlev's cycle of videos about the First World War, and the coincidence literally amaze and frighten.

      Do not forget about "Schweik" Hasek, you will at least laugh more hi
      1. alekseykabanets
        alekseykabanets 30 November 2022 10: 50
        +1
        Quote: Stirbjorn
        Do not forget about "Schweik" Hasek, you will at least laugh more

        His stories are also very interesting.
  16. 2 Level Advisor
    2 Level Advisor 30 November 2022 07: 05
    +26
    sometimes there is a feeling that the USSR for citizens is actively returning .. BUT, in the sense that its minuses are returning .. but no one is going to return the pluses ..
  17. Doctor
    Doctor 30 November 2022 07: 12
    +4
    Back in USSR.
    Dreams Come True!

    Everything will be fine! yes
  18. mongolian9999
    mongolian9999 30 November 2022 07: 12
    +3
    The fun will start on December XNUMXst. Find a violation in the statement of the official media and complain to the prosecutor's office.
  19. archiroll
    archiroll 30 November 2022 07: 13
    +7
    It is impossible in Russia to completely cover up information with censorship. There are many blockheads who find it easier to cover up information than to strain the place near the mouth. Yes, and it will be easier for capitalists to buy meat for their own interests ...
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  21. AlexSmi1970
    AlexSmi1970 30 November 2022 07: 18
    +7
    Interestingly, how are we supposed to know that the director of the FSB issued such an order?
    1. Lech from Android.
      Lech from Android. 30 November 2022 07: 25
      +8
      Quote: AlexSmi1970
      Interestingly, how are we supposed to know that the director of the FSB issued such an order?

      It's secret. smile
      And not subject to disclosure.
  22. Dimy4
    Dimy4 30 November 2022 07: 20
    +11
    ... gentlemen of the generals, whom the Russian media did not allow to live in peace and get fat pursefully and organismally.

    Yes, even with this ss in the eyes of all God's dew.
  23. Lech from Android.
    Lech from Android. 30 November 2022 07: 24
    +3
    Quote: Level 2 Advisor
    no one is going to return the pluses ..

    You are in the top ten... crying
  24. Jonny_Su
    Jonny_Su 30 November 2022 07: 32
    +21
    This is natural, people only want to put their daddies on the table of the supreme. Given the failures of all law enforcement agencies revealed during the campaign, this is not surprising. And there are no unnecessary publications - there are no failures. We will happily die at the front, the enemy will magically attack, and the Russian army will valiantly make "difficult decisions" and maneuver to the Rostov region.
  25. yuriy55
    yuriy55 30 November 2022 07: 32
    +11
    What interesting crap ... And how is it:
    Article 29
    1. Everyone is guaranteed freedom of thought and speech.
    2. Propaganda or agitation that incite social, racial, national or religious hatred and enmity is not allowed. Propagation of social, racial, national, religious or linguistic superiority is prohibited.
    3. No one can be forced to express or reject their opinions and beliefs.
    4. Everyone has the right to freely seek, receive, transmit, produce and disseminate information in any lawful way. The list of information constituting a state secret is determined by federal law.
    5. Freedom of the media is guaranteed. Censorship is prohibited.

    Here Zorkin spit about the abolition of the moratorium on the death penalty, that, they say, it cannot be applied until we change the constitution ... And here everything is in a bunch ...
    And about the death penalty, too, everything is simple:
    Article 20
    1. Everyone has the right to life.
    2. Until its abolition, the death penalty may be established by federal law as an exceptional measure of punishment for especially grave crimes against life, if the accused person is granted the right to a jury trial.

    You just need to write down:
    1. Every law-abiding citizen has the right to life.
    You can screw something else about wartime ...
    1. Lech from Android.
      Lech from Android. 30 November 2022 07: 48
      +7
      Reminds me of Pirates of the Caribbean
      About the Pirate Code... the style is about the same.
      This is just a set of rules and everyone decides to stick to it or not.
    2. Ulan.1812
      Ulan.1812 30 November 2022 10: 51
      +4
      Zorkin seems to have dementia.
      None of the Constitution did not exclude the article on the death penalty.
      They introduced only a TEMPORARY moratorium on the application.
      That is, the law itself is not repealed.
      There is no need to change the Constitution, just lift the moratorium by law.
      1. yuriy55
        yuriy55 30 November 2022 12: 12
        +5
        Quote: Ulan.1812
        Zorkin seems to have dementia.

        Or you can listen ... They themselves accept, they themselves do not cancel ...

        At the forefront of such judges ...
        Not a single acquittal for the opposition Platoshkin ...
        Who are these legislators? Who will be against the death penalty for the killers of children and those who mocked prisoners, women and the elderly?
        What is “it” even doing in this constitutional court?
        1. Ulan.1812
          Ulan.1812 30 November 2022 13: 49
          +2
          Quote: yuriy55
          Quote: Ulan.1812
          Zorkin seems to have dementia.

          Or you can listen ... They themselves accept, they themselves do not cancel ...

          At the forefront of such judges ...
          Not a single acquittal for the opposition Platoshkin ...
          Who are these legislators? Who will be against the death penalty for the killers of children and those who mocked prisoners, women and the elderly?
          What is “it” even doing in this constitutional court?

          Zorkin is a coward, once he tried to blather against Yeltsin, concluding that the dispersal of parliament violated the Constitution.
          But he was quickly shown his place and he churns out conclusions favorable to the authorities.
        2. AdAstra
          AdAstra 30 November 2022 14: 17
          +3
          He receives good and even very good pay.
  26. Reader 47
    Reader 47 30 November 2022 07: 38
    -20
    At one time, I was surprised that "VO" was ranked among the liberal media. But when I began to read constantly convinced of this. And in the comments, in general, everything is clear: whoever has a lot of minuses, he dared to say something patriotic. Who hates the leadership of the country - the maximum plus. These are our media. Well, let's live our minds.
    1. 2 Level Advisor
      2 Level Advisor 30 November 2022 07: 54
      +19
      Quote: Reader 47
      At one time, I was surprised that "VO" was ranked among the liberal media.

      but I haven’t heard about this .. but about the fact that VO is a cheers-patriotic site - I had to meet an opinion .. it’s just that the mood of people is changing Stas- and not without reason .. just like that, from scratch, cheers and "love" the leadership ( which in itself is not normal - you don’t even know them, it’s like girls like fans of a pop group on TV) - it almost doesn’t work anymore .. after all, words must be confirmed by deeds - sooner or later ..
      1. Reader 47
        Reader 47 5 December 2022 11: 10
        0
        You fully confirmed my words with your answer. Your message is completely opposite to mine and scored as many pluses as my minuses))) What did I write about "just shouting cheers" and about "love" for the leadership? You have completely distorted my opinion. I was talking about true patriots. These are people who LOVE their country. They believe in their army, in their people, in the real history of our country. And in the leaders (HORROR what). They understand that mistakes are made, but do not try to put all the blame on "bosses". Everyone made mistakes and even terrible mistakes. And Stalin and Zhukov and Kutuzov and Peter I. But we remember them with gratitude for the fact that they did more useful for the Motherland. Patriots help the front. They raise their children to be patriots. Does this need to be explained? I don't think so. It's obvious. But not for you, apparently. Now about the leadership. Our leadership has not yet "confirmed" words with deeds for you. Remind me how we lived in the 90s and how it is now? Remind about the PSA and who owns everything now? Remind about the return of the Crimea and the beginning of the NWO to protect people in Ukraine and our country? Can you recall the leadership of which country began to destroy the unipolar pro-war world? I don't think it's worth it. It's useless. This is what I wrote about. You are rushing along your narrow-gauge railway, fulfilling this agenda, and I am here to get minuses for my position. It won't always be like that. For the most part, the people love their Motherland, but this majority does not have the loudest voices. This situation is already changing before our eyes.
        1. 2 Level Advisor
          2 Level Advisor 5 December 2022 12: 06
          0
          Quote: Reader 47
          I was talking about true patriots. These are people who LOVE their country. They believe in their army, in their people, in the real history of our country. And in the leaders (HORROR what).

          There is your opinion and wrong? Is your patriotism and wrong? I also believe in the above, but not very much in the leadership .. i.e. in your opinion, a true patriot - he believed in EBN and GMS at one time, since he was obliged to do this - is he a patriot? Admit it, you believed in Mikhail Sergeevich and Boris Nikolaevich, are you a Patriot?

          Quote: Reader 47
          Our leadership has not yet "confirmed" words with deeds for you. Remind me how we lived in the 90s and how it is now? Remind about the PSA and who owns everything now? Remind about the return of the Crimea and the beginning of the NWO to protect people in Ukraine and our country? Can you recall the leadership of which country began to destroy the unipolar pro-war world?

          1. what about the 90s? 25 years have already passed, for some who were born after, 2 children have already passed, at least a generation has passed .. but let's compare with 2009-10? "Stalin and Zhukov and Kutuzov and Peter I" let's compare how much these Great people have done in 25 years ...
          2. The PSA was adopted by the State Duma in 1995, when oil cost many times less than today and than in the 2000s. And who owns everything now? probably for this reason, among the oil-producing countries, one of the highest prices in the world for gasoline, we have, because it is popular ..
          3.
          Quote: Reader 47
          Remind about the return of Crimea

          here I do not argue, I myself was happy when it happened.
          4.
          Quote: Reader 47
          Can you recall the leadership of which country began to destroy the unipolar pro-war world?

          and what is destroyed today? let's talk about the facts and about what has already happened, huh? the argument is off topic, while the United States benefits the most from our "destruction" .. now the United States will fall apart from this, and we will live better, I promise, I myself will go to the square with a poster of GDP, but to believe in words is a kindergarten, to children, where they open their mouths - they hide everything that "Adults, Smart, Educators" say ...
          1. Reader 47
            Reader 47 5 December 2022 12: 27
            0
            1. Are you serious about the 90s? About EBN? It was not the leadership of the country. That's exactly what I said about this time. It was the time of the destruction of the country. On point 2, you also write strange things. What does it mean who owns? At least not to foreigners. And about the people's gasoline is generally funny. "People's" concept is Soviet. It has sunk into oblivion in the last century. There was nothing "folk" even then, to be honest. It was state. The deposits now belong to Russia again. We returned them. That's what I wrote about. As for point 3, you surprised me even more. The unconditional power of the United States has staggered, and there are many examples of this: settlements in national currencies, national banks throw off dollar assets, etc. Who started it? Who in 2008 said that this would happen? And finally, the most important thing: For so many years, Putin has done less than Peter I and others, you say. I actually spoke about errors, but you can compare. Peter is incredibly cool. He changed the country in 30 years (more precisely, laid down big changes). True, the country was much smaller and he had absolute power (the emperor, after all) and another small nuance - the country was not a dilapidated colony under external control. Stalin? Compare? Or yourself already)))
    2. Evgeny Ivanov_5
      Evgeny Ivanov_5 30 November 2022 09: 00
      -15
      Well, in general, I have long come to a similar conclusion. And the further the worse. There are no regular articles left. And the leak of information under the guise of patriotism and the winding up of sentiments to destabilize everything that can be directly rushing. Any hype scatters with the speed of a whistle, and even seemingly balanced and correct articles end with an actual call a la a bayonet into the ground, they ran to smash the Winter. Well, now I foresee a bunch of saliva, minuses.
    3. Gpn27
      Gpn27 30 November 2022 10: 24
      -9
      I support. A common place on the site is criticism of the authorities, dissatisfaction. At the same time, some want the return of the USSR, others want freedom. Our government operates in the current conditions. To finance the war, money is needed, which is obtained from the sale of resources to the West. The same Gazprom, Rosneft and others form the federal budget of Russia by 35%. It is not difficult to demolish the current government with a revolution, but, as after the Maidan in Ukraine, it is a hello to power even more disgusting personalities, because "they make a revolution of romance, and scoundrels use its results." On the other hand, there is an alternative: the cessation of the existence of the Russians as a nation-state, then the national leaders of various parts of the former Russia will come to power. Whether or not these parts will be successful, time will tell. I hope the indignation of VO commentators will remain on the Internet and a civil war will not spill out on the territory of our country.
      1. 2 Level Advisor
        2 Level Advisor 30 November 2022 10: 54
        +3
        those. Do you think that other than a revolution, it is impossible to change someone and something with us? but what about the elections, etc. etc.? after all, if this is not the case, then you described - Despotism (ancient Greek δεσποτία) - a form of government when the supreme state power is concentrated in the hands of an absolute ruler or a narrow group of persons who have the right to freely dispose of the fate of their subjects. The word also often refers to totalitarian rule. And this is the norm for your country? After all, in our country - not mentioned above - where will revolutions come from? who needs them - after all, everything is fine? After all, in our country, in order to shake it up, it’s real, you still need to try, this is not France or the USA, where with half a click they run out into the streets - BLMs with yellow vests, so - groundless unrest from a "half a kick" in the country, I think, you can not be afraid. .
        1. Gpn27
          Gpn27 30 November 2022 12: 13
          -4
          When elections are held, power does not change. Oddly enough, the majority of those who came to the polling stations will vote for the current government, which, by the way, happened in Ukraine in 2005. It took a revolution to bring Yushchenko to power. Evaluation of the current system as despotism is your personal opinion. Moreover, those in power abroad also insist on an information attack on Putin personally. We have a presidential-parliamentary republic, but we do not have despotism, because. there is a separation of powers. At the same time, there is despotism in Great Britain, where there is an autocracy of the monarch, or in the USA, where there is unlimited power of a narrow group of people of the Democratic Party. At the same time, BLMs run out at the click of just the Democratic Party and disappear when they are no longer needed. Russia does not need a revolution or elections, Russia needs the opportunity to live well, and this is possible with the opportunity to borrow and not repay thanks to the presence of a powerful army.
        2. Lyuba1965_01
          Lyuba1965_01 3 December 2022 00: 17
          0
          What is an election in essence?
          Competition, who has better PR people and a wallet.
          Something that not a single poor person has gone anywhere, oligarchs, children of officials and athletes go everywhere.
          Have you seen at least one turner in the State Duma?
          Not the former, namely the present tense?
          That's right, we didn't see it.
          And you won’t see it, because he has no money for elections.
          Well, since they choose money bags, then one should not be surprised that they will do everything in defense of their own brothers in bags.
          Also, people buy into cheap populism, without even thinking about the specifics.
          How many screamed that Grudinin is real, for the people.
          But at the same time, none of the screamers thought: if Grudinin had passed, would he have given the state everything he had acquired with overwork?
          So the elections do not solve anything and do not give.
          Revolution is dangerous, and in our age of the Internet, it is simply impossible.
          So what's the way out?
          Honestly I do not know.
      2. Alf
        Alf 30 November 2022 20: 42
        +1
        Quote from Gpn27
        Our government operates in the current conditions.

        You are right, it is now hard for her in these conditions.
        And now the question is, who created such difficult conditions in the country? Not the same power?
        1. Gpn27
          Gpn27 30 November 2022 22: 12
          -1
          Oddly enough, such conditions, especially geopolitical ones, were created by the communists at the end of their existence. If you mean them, then I agree.
          1. Alf
            Alf 1 December 2022 18: 28
            -1
            Quote from Gpn27
            Oddly enough, such conditions, especially geopolitical ones, were created by the communists at the end of their existence.

            No, well, the communists, the stump is clear, they are to blame. But here's the problem - they've been gone for 30 years and the country has been ruled by one capitalist party, changing its name like a snake, and the country's situation is getting worse ... Here are the damned commies, what kind of boNbu planted ...
    4. Ulan.1812
      Ulan.1812 30 November 2022 10: 46
      +5
      Quote: 47 Reader
      At one time, I was surprised that "VO" was ranked among the liberal media. But when I began to read constantly convinced of this. And in the comments, in general, everything is clear: whoever has a lot of minuses, he dared to say something patriotic. Who hates the leadership of the country - the maximum plus. These are our media. Well, let's live our minds.

      You're not right. Patriotism does not consist only in approving and hushing up miscalculations and mistakes.
      This is a sure way to defeat.
      And here for the patriotic messages plus in full. You are just inattentive and biased.
      But for example, for the wish to take Odessa and Nikolaev ... it’s much more patriotic, they can also shove minuses. Are you?
    5. Alf
      Alf 30 November 2022 20: 40
      +4
      Quote: Reader 47
      who has many minuses, he dared to say something patriotic.

      And what did they say patriotic?
      1. Reader 47
        Reader 47 5 December 2022 10: 44
        0
        I told the truth. And that's what liberals hate the most. Therefore, my minuses make me happy: when the enemies minus, it means you are doing everything right.
  27. Stepych
    Stepych 30 November 2022 07: 39
    +6
    IMHO stupid ****
    UkroSMI will then win
    Military correspondents were the only sources of truth
    Then they will be banned, they will be silent, then the air will be filled with pro-Ukrainian bloggers and media
    Who is watching the star?
    Not many people who.
    They shot themselves in the foot
    1. Nastia makarova
      Nastia makarova 30 November 2022 11: 52
      -1
      better not to watch at all.
    2. Lyuba1965_01
      Lyuba1965_01 3 December 2022 00: 24
      0
      You are right.
      But when I look at some social networks, I see that they post a lot of videos about how and where the equipment is going.
      Somehow, on Twitter, one posted a video: there is a cargo truck, closed.
      The shooter followed in his car.
      So he laid out the number of the car. And the place where he met her, and later said that he could still look there, and there our military guys were going.
      But the guys were taken in a completely closed car, not in a military one.
      It means that they did not want to show everyone completely.
      Many of these videos are circulating on the net.
      It is clear that satellite intelligence sees everything.
      But all, but not all.
      All the same, there is something that or whom ours are transporting on the sly.
      And such curious patriots joyfully not only spread, but also comment.
      And then in the comments to these videos there are disputes: this or not the place, the author of the video lied or told the truth.
      Along the way, they talk about where and what they saw themselves.
      One there in the comments said that his relative was mobilized and he was going there along with such and such a number of the same mobilized, that such and such a number of tankers would be trained there ...
      Do you think this is correct?
      With regards to information from military correspondents, there are different military correspondents.
      There are those who understand what and how to say.
      Others sculpt everything without thinking about anything.
      Or do you think that social networks, especially like this VO, are not viewed by someone there?
      He must be watching and reading.
      I myself have seen here more than once how in the comments you, warriors or former warriors, so openly discussed certain problems, questions, painted everything as if on the palm of your hand, explained ... what shortcomings our weapons have, where and what they put, how What are our boys doing?
      Maybe, for starters, than to condemn this law, we need to think not only about freedom of speech and information, but also about how this freedom of speech and information will respond?
      And then they moan that they want to deprive them of words, do not allow them to express their opinion ...
      So at such a time, every word on a military topic must be thought over a hundred times before it is publicly said.
      I can imagine how the Second World War could have ended if there had been such a thoughtless "freedom of speech" as it is now.
      More and more often I recall posters from the Second World War: a talker is a godsend for a spy.
  28. ximkim
    ximkim 30 November 2022 07: 39
    +3
    The authorities, because of their work done, are now forced to beat the media with a stick.
    And how cool they turned this case, all the shisha on the FSB.
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  30. Stirbjorn
    Stirbjorn 30 November 2022 07: 56
    +8
    It seems to me that another anecdote is also appropriate
    “If I had the newspaper Pravda,” Napoleon said, “the world would still not have known about my defeat at Waterloo!”

    And so, of course, we are moving towards the world according to Orwell from "1984", with his doublethink, thought crime and other newspeak
  31. Viktor Sergeev
    Viktor Sergeev 30 November 2022 08: 00
    -15
    Author, yes you are real. All the prohibitions are clear and correct, there is a war going on, information is worth a lot, and the pressure on the brain is in style: one soldier was not given a helmet, so the whole army fell apart, this is part of the war against not even the army, but the whole country.
    1. SARANCHA1976
      SARANCHA1976 30 November 2022 09: 42
      +11
      Victor, as I understand it, in this world you only teleported and missed a lot .. there, not one soldier and not only did not have a helmet. And for declaring the NWO as a war, you will already be talking about an article by December. Glory to Russia is with us
      1. AdAstra
        AdAstra 30 November 2022 14: 19
        +2
        Excuse me please "side with us" which background is this? """
        1. SARANCHA1976
          SARANCHA1976 1 December 2022 10: 37
          +1
          No, this is not the one .. This is the fat one ..
  32. Foundling
    Foundling 30 November 2022 08: 03
    +24
    The king hates to hear that he is naked
  33. Mikhail3
    Mikhail3 30 November 2022 08: 07
    0
    As we well know, all, as one, higher educational institutions that produce journalists in our country are tightly controlled by the West. To such an extent that the patriots who accidentally got there are poisoned by their own students half to death. That is, our universities do not graduate anyone except traitors and accomplices.
    Not being able to do something about it (such a state of affairs is clearly covered by someone from the very, very top), the security forces are trying to treat the symptoms, that is, to press the traitors who have already begun to work. This, of course, is not an option, but at least something needs to be done, right?
    And of course, this causes a heart-rending screech of traitors trained on our own money, in our country, in "our" universities. Like this article here.
  34. Alex 1970
    Alex 1970 30 November 2022 08: 13
    -4
    Well, if this was missed for publication, then crying is in vain, and indeed the severity of the law in Russia is compensated by the optionality of its implementation, though not for everyone, but still.
    1. Ulan.1812
      Ulan.1812 30 November 2022 10: 38
      +6
      Quote: Alex 1970
      Well, if this was missed for publication, then crying is in vain, and indeed the severity of the law in Russia is compensated by the optionality of its implementation, though not for everyone, but still.

      Today is only the 30th of November. It's still possible today.
  35. Jcvai
    Jcvai 30 November 2022 08: 16
    +15
    One thing is obvious: it will be like with the “honest” Radio Liberty during the Union: people begin to listen to enemies and believe them.
    Those. I won’t be surprised if, from the entry into force, many patriotic analysts and military correspondents with citizenship (under the jurisdiction) of the Russian Federation cease their activities, after which a significant number of their readers will flow to foreign ones, including pro-Ukrainian ones.
    1. lopvlad
      lopvlad 30 November 2022 09: 24
      0
      Quote: JcVai
      One thing is obvious: it will be like with the “honest” Radio Liberty during the Union: people begin to listen to enemies and believe them.


      only now the information broadcast now and then from the West is significantly different.
      If they used to talk about "peace, friendship, chewing gum" and NATO shells did not explode on the territory of the USSR, now the Western media openly say that they must destroy Russia by military means and on our land NATO shells kill our people and destroy infrastructure.

      And yes, we believe them, but not only that they want good for us, but that they came to kill us and destroy Russia and its peoples.
      1. Mikhail3
        Mikhail3 1 December 2022 08: 11
        0
        So people are fundamentally different. Then the USSR had real patriots, some disgruntled and slightly open enemies. Compare with the current state of affairs...
  36. cmax
    cmax 30 November 2022 08: 24
    +19
    Meanwhile, shelling and explosions, drones in the skies of the Belgorod and Bryansk regions, not to mention the Donbass and Crimea, have become so commonplace that it simply strains with its helplessness.
    1. Ulan.1812
      Ulan.1812 30 November 2022 10: 37
      +7
      Quote: cmax
      Meanwhile, shelling and explosions, drones in the skies of the Belgorod and Bryansk regions, not to mention the Donbass and Crimea, have become so commonplace that it simply strains with its helplessness.

      Now they will forbid talking about it, they will say that this is secret information that helps the enemy.
  37. Raccoon Raccoon
    Raccoon Raccoon 30 November 2022 08: 26
    +17
    Well... We turn on the VPN, shake off the dust from the skills of the "Aesopian" language, remember our youth when we listened to enemy voices through wild interference. Everything new is well forgotten old.
    1. Woodman
      Woodman 30 November 2022 09: 31
      -1
      Quote: Poloskun raccoon
      Turn on VPN

      It's all fluff. If someone needs it, vpn will not help.
      Quote: Poloskun raccoon
      brushing the dust off the skills of "Aesopian" language

      That's right, at least some training for the mind.
      Quote: Poloskun raccoon
      we remember our youth when we listened to enemy voices

      Enemy voices will not advise good. What this leads to you can't help but remember if in your youth these voices were listened to
      Quote: Poloskun raccoon
      through the wild noise
    2. vadimtt
      vadimtt 30 November 2022 12: 02
      +3
      Even the Aesopian language does not help anymore, you will still be identified by the LSTM model by the unique construction of phrases with a 93% probability. And to track who and what VPN or VPS is rummaging around without any problems at all, because your trail is tracked, with what delays you type letters on the keyboard, how in some places your mouse gets stuck on the rug and how much the system clock of your computer is knocked down and td and tp, thousands of indirect parameters. In general, total fingerprint bully
      1. Raccoon Raccoon
        Raccoon Raccoon 30 November 2022 14: 55
        0
        "Aesopian language" does not imply personal identification. Now, if I tell you "roach", you will immediately understand what is at stake in the modern setting. And fingerprint is already "heavy artillery" with sad consequences.
  38. Evgeny Velikanov
    Evgeny Velikanov 30 November 2022 08: 27
    -3
    Ts offers to scare and hysteria. You are on the right path
  39. Prisoner
    Prisoner 30 November 2022 08: 35
    -13
    They did the right thing, despite the whining of some gentlemen-followers of the labeled with his publicity, and even persons from the opposite side. Publicity is not always appropriate.
    1. Wladimir134
      Wladimir134 30 November 2022 11: 51
      +8
      They are trying to hide the truth from their people. Not from the west. And that's the question. To drive us into a stall. And we all thought a hundred they are taking care of us and not stuffing their pockets. They are trying to make fools out of us. And Western specialists will find out everything from their children, or do you think the security guards didn’t drive up to the children. This is the basics
  40. kor1vet1974
    kor1vet1974 30 November 2022 08: 36
    +11
    Ha, I remember before the SVO, on various blogs and websites they wrote that there was not enough censorship on TV and in the press, for supposedly works of art .. smile Dreamed of a hand in an iron glove. Did dreams come true? smile Oh, yes, they dreamed of another censorship, of light and good. smile And here, such a kunstyushek. Perturbations will pass and the SVO will end, but censorship will remain. Moreover, it will become tougher. The bourgeois do not want to leave power, she feeds them.
    1. Ulan.1812
      Ulan.1812 30 November 2022 10: 34
      +3
      Quote: kor1vet1974
      Ha, I remember before the SVO, on various blogs and websites they wrote that there was not enough censorship on TV and in the press, for supposedly works of art .. smile Dreamed of a hand in an iron glove. Did dreams come true? smile Oh, yes, they dreamed of another censorship, of light and good. smile And here, such a kunstyushek. Perturbations will pass and the SVO will end, but censorship will remain. Moreover, it will become tougher. The bourgeois do not want to leave power, she feeds them.

      In my opinion, they talked about censorship for any liberal seam ... Ali, who rampages in the media and culture and who is allowed to do everything.
      And it looks like everything is coming soon.
      1. kor1vet1974
        kor1vet1974 30 November 2022 13: 06
        +3
        In my opinion, they talked about censorship for any liberal seam ... Ali
        Yes, they talked about her, but they only talked about her and they won’t get to her, alas. They won’t touch their own, their own.
        1. Ulan.1812
          Ulan.1812 30 November 2022 13: 52
          +1
          Quote: kor1vet1974
          In my opinion, they talked about censorship for any liberal seam ... Ali
          Yes, they talked about her, but they only talked about her and they won’t get to her, alas. They won’t touch their own, their own.

          Here I am about it. These will not be touched. Too many high-ranking patrons.
    2. Jcvai
      Jcvai 30 November 2022 12: 01
      +4
      I'll give my 10 cents:
      +5 - Orwell did not write about the USSR at all, so our censorship is still "soft".
      +5 - Over the past decades, the problem in our country is not that any "lgbtshnaya and Russophobic liberalism" is allowed in the media, art, etc., but that it is funded and promoted by government agencies !!! Those. the problem is not that a certain citizen N shouts "all Russians under the knife", but that he does this from the state sites of the Russian Federation, lives on state grants of the Russian Federation and earns on speeches for top managers of state and near-state corporations.
      Respectively
      about SVO, on various blogs and websites they wrote that there is not enough censorship on TV and in the press, for supposedly works of art

      it was about promoting one's own and stopping the funding of the enemy.
      If a person wants to oppose the Russians, let him speak. The main thing is not at the expense of taxpayers and with filtering / restriction for minors / incapacitated.
      1. kor1vet1974
        kor1vet1974 30 November 2022 13: 08
        +2
        it was about promoting one's own and stopping the funding of the enemy.
        And in this area great success has been achieved?
  41. Woodman
    Woodman 30 November 2022 08: 44
    -3
    In general, in ten days, on December 1,
    I don’t believe that Skomorokhov’s article was not allowed to be published for more than a week.
    we have too much freedom of expression

    Not my words, but something like this (if anything, then this is 2011):
    “According to international law, restrictions on freedom of speech must meet three conditions: they must strictly comply with the law, pursue a legitimate aim, and must be necessary and adequate to achieve this aim.

    Legitimate purposes include the protection of reputation, personal dignity, national security, public order, copyright, health and morals."
    ...
    That is, freedom of speech must still be limited in some way. Otherwise, it is already called permissiveness.
    ...
    Suppose someone says that the Internet is one thing, but in traditional media it is not. Do we have censorship somewhere? We have the dictatorship of the media leadership - that's for sure. Well, so we should not forget that any media is an enterprise, which, first of all, must earn money. So they earn as they see fit. BUT freedom of speech is remembered only when it is beneficial[i][/i]. And absolutely everything. Both official and oppositional.
    Apparently, the main problem in understanding freedom of speech lies in the fact that the vast majority considers the criterion of this very freedom to be the mandatory expression of certain views and opinions.

    That is, if a certain media scolds the president, then it is the correct media. And if it doesn’t scold, then it’s bad. (a note from me personally - I specifically left this provocative phrase in the quote so that some commentators think about themselves wink ) But where is the freedom? Stupid? Of course it's stupid. But there are many, many people who hold this position.
    ...
    there are suggestions among the sane part of the Internet that this mess would like to be stopped.

    Because permissiveness, and we do not have freedom of speech, namely permissiveness, a normal person cannot like it.


    Censorship, which sometimes surprises us with its one-sidedness,
    Exactly. To moderation on some resources (I won’t point fingers), sometimes I also treat with great surprise)
  42. u4gr8Kk6p8
    u4gr8Kk6p8 30 November 2022 08: 51
    +6
    Well, what can you do, now this state, in any sphere of life, unfortunately cannot offer you anything other than a police baton.
  43. Ingenegr
    Ingenegr 30 November 2022 08: 53
    -2
    What is the difference between a departmental order and a federal law, does the author know?
  44. Evgeny Ivanov_5
    Evgeny Ivanov_5 30 November 2022 08: 53
    -14
    And why did the author vibrate so? That is, censorship about the need for which the bloggers themselves have been yelling since February is needed, but not personally for the author? Or does it make it harder to hype in the war, writing articles about the horrors in the army and at the front? Moreover, the author does not even think about terminology. Information about the state, movement and plans of the troops is not at all what the fabrications on this site are. But excuse me, it was the information that was always secret for everyone. You ask your friends in Israel about this. They will tell you a lot.
    1. Ulan.1812
      Ulan.1812 30 November 2022 10: 30
      +4
      Quote: Evgeny Ivanov_5
      And why did the author vibrate so? That is, censorship about the need for which the bloggers themselves have been yelling since February is needed, but not personally for the author? Or does it make it harder to hype in the war, writing articles about the horrors in the army and at the front? Moreover, the author does not even think about terminology. Information about the state, movement and plans of the troops is not at all what the fabrications on this site are. But excuse me, it was the information that was always secret for everyone. You ask your friends in Israel about this. They will tell you a lot.

      And here "composing"?
      Did the author reveal any secret plans, documents, characteristics of documents, a specific deployment of some military unit?
      Can you give such examples?
      If you can't, then you're slandering the person.
      The author takes data from OPEN sources.
      What should have been done was to tighten the prosecution and punishment for writing and spreading fakes.
      But that's just not being done.
      Why hasn’t a criminal case been opened against Zelensky’s wife, this individual, and not a person?
      Scary? You can not? But the citizens of Russia can be crushed.
      Of course, censorship is needed, but it should concern specific things and specific people, and we are trying to close everyone's mouth.
      We are left with one right to admire the bullshit driven by Konashenkov and the urya army, we are winning the urya.
      And asking why we surrender the cities, if we win, is no way.
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  46. lopvlad
    lopvlad 30 November 2022 09: 14
    -8
    The question then arises, what kind of state secret is needed at all, if it is impossible to talk about anything without it? Or that the choice was - life or not?


    Well, firstly, that very state secret is the basis of the existence of any state. And there are prohibitions on the disclosure of this or that information that can be used by the enemy, the enemy to destabilize and destroy the state in every country.
    In this case, the tightening concerns nothing, no matter how they try to assure us, namely, it only affects the military sphere, as evidenced by the name itself.

    "On approval of the List of information in the field of military, military-technical activities of the Russian Federation, which, if received by foreign sources, can be used against the security of the Russian Federation"


    Does anyone really think that all information about the military and military-technical activities of the Russian Federation should be widely available?
    In general, this order to control the media, whose activities in covering the military and military-technical activities of Russia, was very late. After all, how many lives of Russian soldiers were cut short just because the media in the first months from the NVO zone issued information not with a delay of several hours, but in online video mode.
    And yes, Konashenkov has dry reports and numbers, and the average user wants more information, or rather its colorfulness in the form of videos and photos. Only the main thing is that the content of the video and what is captured in the photo does not carry useful information for our enemy and after that effective arrivals do not go on our military as well as civilian facilities.
    1. Jcvai
      Jcvai 30 November 2022 14: 51
      0
      all information about the military and military-technical activities of the Russian Federation

      Of course, there is secret data that is not subject to disclosure, but ... we have a common definition and a "stick" system, without a jury (for those "intricately connected" with the Moscow Region) and without precedents. As a result, those who laid out the current deployment with the composition, and who about conscripts in the NWO, and who about the lack of basic equipment, will be sent to the "neighboring bunk beds" ...
      how many lives of Russian soldiers were cut short just because the media in the first months from the NVO zone gave out information not with a delay of several hours, but online

      I agree. But "online" "online" is different. And how many lives were saved by the ability to quickly purchase and transfer the same drones to the front. How many lives were saved by the supply of those mobilized directly from the Defense Ministry warehouse, and not by volunteers through military agencies.
      Everything is not so clear. The problem is not so much in the solution under discussion, but in distrust of the system for its application. And it's sad.
  47. Vasilyevich Pensioner
    Vasilyevich Pensioner 30 November 2022 09: 14
    -10
    It is because of such protesters that such censorship should be introduced. And then the population has already reached the point that on a report about an emergency, people are actively busy filming, and not think about how to help the victims. Compassion/experience is replaced by monetization.
    1. 2 Level Advisor
      2 Level Advisor 30 November 2022 09: 40
      +2
      Do you think censorship will help change that? What you described about something else, about the primacy of the private over the public and censorship here, in our time, does not solve anything .. tenants, not for the sake of monetization, rent, in 99% of cases ..
      1. Vasilyevich Pensioner
        Vasilyevich Pensioner 30 November 2022 09: 59
        -5
        I'm guessing this is a bit late. And change or not - time will tell.
        About something else. Everything develops and follows from the general.
        About 99%. I have no way to record, but the fact that the media show footage from multiple angles of the same event indicates the involvement of the population in this process. Of course, all options are not shown, the choice is made more successful. Here, how lucky.
        1. 2 Level Advisor
          2 Level Advisor 30 November 2022 10: 03
          +2
          99% - in the sense, it’s simple - on the network, but they throw it according to acquaintances - without monetization .. and the media are already publishing what they found .. and in order to start counting the public above the private, communism is needed, under capitalism even the best censorship will not do this ..
          1. Vasilyevich Pensioner
            Vasilyevich Pensioner 30 November 2022 10: 12
            -6
            I haven't seen it online in a long time.
            About friends. Nobody sends me something, but there are a lot of acquaintances and I have been using the Internet since the last century.
            About communism. As long as we do not cultivate self-consciousness, no communism will remake consciousness.
            As for capitalism. Judging by the publications in the foreign / media, censorship is flourishing there now.
            1. 2 Level Advisor
              2 Level Advisor 30 November 2022 10: 20
              +1
              Quote: Vasilyevich Pensioner
              I haven't seen it online in a long time.

              For some reason, I meet all the time .. do you think they are filming and the media are all selling videos, or what?
              Quote: Vasilyevich Pensioner
              As for capitalism. Judging by the publications in the foreign / media, censorship is flourishing there now.

              don't we have capitalism? here "they" have a vague concept "we = they = capitalism" ...
              Quote: Vasilyevich Pensioner
              As long as we do not cultivate self-consciousness, no communism will remake consciousness.

              how will you educate him under capitalism? there are examples in history - that under capitalism, the private was less important than the public?
              1. Vasilyevich Pensioner
                Vasilyevich Pensioner 30 November 2022 10: 29
                -4
                Do you think they shoot and the media all sell videos, or what?
                No one will accept everything, a choice is made from the general flow. Unless in blogs, it goes there with less screening.

                don't we have capitalism? here "they" have a vague concept "we = they = capitalism" ...
                As events from 2008 to today show. There are differences.

                how will you educate him under capitalism?
                It seems that he did not report that under capitalism.
                there are examples in history - that under capitalism, the private was less important than the public?
                What is this taken from?
                1. 2 Level Advisor
                  2 Level Advisor 30 November 2022 10: 37
                  +2
                  Quote: Vasilyevich Pensioner
                  As events from 2008 to today show. There are differences.

                  there is a difference in all capitalist countries, the capitalism of the United States and Mexico is clearly different .. but what do you think we have if not capitalism? primitive communal, slaveholding, feudal, socialist, communist - what way? other people have not invented ... we have the signs of capitalism most clearly manifested ..
                  1. Vasilyevich Pensioner
                    Vasilyevich Pensioner 30 November 2022 10: 42
                    -3
                    there is a difference in all capitalist countries
                    Was it denied?
                    and what do you think we have - if not capitalism?
                    I'm not talking about denial, but about the difference with them.
                    1. 2 Level Advisor
                      2 Level Advisor 30 November 2022 10: 59
                      0
                      Quote: Vasilyevich Pensioner
                      I'm not talking about denial, but about the difference with them.

                      I don’t argue, Vasilievich, there are certainly differences .. but based on the global nature of the capitalist system in the world, for world capitalism itself as a phenomenon that includes all capitalist countries, these differences are not so important ...
                      1. Vasilyevich Pensioner
                        Vasilyevich Pensioner 30 November 2022 11: 11
                        -1
                        those differences don't really matter...
                        Interpretations are important.
                        Here is their capitalism claims that we use gas as a weapon. And our capitalism is surprised at such a trick. Here theirs capitalism can destroy Yugoslavia and others, but ours cannot defend the oppressed by the Maydanuts. And it seems to be easier, trade with each other, benefit. I was able to choke with a low / high price - I won. Could not - lost. But their capitalism does not want that.
  48. Cheldon
    Cheldon 30 November 2022 09: 17
    -12
    The author is unaware that there is a concept as information for official use (DSP). I am glad that such an order was issued, otherwise they scratch their tongues like a woman with a broomstick. And Comrade Petrushkin is afraid of being left without a job.
    1. AdAstra
      AdAstra 30 November 2022 14: 28
      0
      Is it okay that chipboard is only for those who work where chipboard is? """
      1. Cheldon
        Cheldon 30 November 2022 15: 10
        0
        Quote from AdAstra
        Is it okay that chipboard is only for those who work where chipboard is? """

        If you are not aware, then even the diet of service dogs is service information, especially everything related to life at military facilities. If there was nothing secret, why then access control? Or do you let anyone who wants into your apartment and put your whole family life on public display? There is a military prosecutor's office, there is a department of the FSB - these guys will twist everyone so that you will literally understand where the expression about "sticky sweat" comes from. But this information is for internal use only. Not for all. For all that our cause is just, we will win.
  49. Shamil88
    Shamil88 30 November 2022 09: 25
    +13
    Silently and quietly go to die for grain, ammonia deals, for Vekselberg, for Rotenberg, for Abramovich, without armor, helmets, etc., does their history really teach nothing? Do you think hungry, loyal, abandoned soldiers how the herd will go to the slaughter? They don't think that the year 17 can be repeated for them? Hope for the Russian Guard? You're wrong
    1. AdAstra
      AdAstra 30 November 2022 14: 29
      -1
      Well, they hope for at least 40k "loyal foot soldiers." """ hi
  50. Illanatol
    Illanatol 30 November 2022 09: 25
    +1
    Quote: Galleon
    You forgot to add slogans from the bright past: "today he turns on jazz, and tomorrow he will sell his homeland," etc.


    So after all, they sold it, wholesale and retail. The stamps of Soviet propaganda turned out to be right, and Chubais and Gaidars grew out of yesterday's dudes.
    1. Galleon
      Galleon 30 November 2022 13: 47
      +3
      My generation that listened to Pink Floyd, Deep Purple and ELO went through Afghanistan and Chechnya. And the two separate vysers that you named were never part of the generation.