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"War of underwater drones" in the Black Sea - an afterword to the "overcome" in the Sevastopol roadstead

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"War of underwater drones" in the Black Sea - an afterword to the "overcome" in the Sevastopol roadstead



Under water - only PR, nothing personal


The Governor of Sevastopol, Mikhail Razvozzhaev, raised the issue of re-equipping the Sevmorzavod for the production of similar devices. This happened immediately after the attack on the city of federal significance by unmanned underwater vehicles of unknown origin and transparent hints from the Ukrainian side that these were their drones.

How realistic is all this and what should be the protection against such Ukrainian attacks? After all, the effect was more moral than destructive. And by and large, both sides of the conflict showed themselves in an unfavorable light before the world community.

Ukrainian President Zelensky did not openly acknowledge the attack by underwater drones from the grain corridor, but said that Ukraine would build its own fleet of underwater drones. In addition, the Ukrainian side was disgraced due to the complete inability to handle such equipment: the damage was minimal.


In turn, the Sevastopol governor is almost ready to take on the production of marine drones at the Sevmorzavod im. Ordzhonikidze. It is difficult to say whether the Black Sea regional leader knew and whether he now found out that they are already being produced in Russia, moreover, since Soviet times.

The level of this technology is not inferior to the same drones, according to Russian experts, British-made, which attacked Russian ships. It is clear that Razvozzhaev historical education, experience of life in a military city is small, he did not serve in the army, but he also has advisers. Where were they looking?

The idea to create a fleet of underwater drones in Sevastopol is good in itself, but why the extra investment in their production there, if they are already being produced?

The sailor does not sleep, but the service does not go


A separate conversation about the carelessness of the Russian military. The underwater drone attacks came as a complete surprise to Russia, which has long been ramping up production of unmanned underwater vehicles. However, for the purpose of attack or sabotage, she never used them - only for reconnaissance and scientific purposes.

This was due to the fact that drones were something of a nuclear weapons, a deterrent that is unlikely to be applied in practice, no one paid attention to their detection and elimination systems. And on October 29, everyone saw the result of such unpreparedness with their own eyes.

The fact that then only in the afternoon the Ministry of Defense was able to count the number of drones that the enemy used to strike under water and from the air shows that automatic detection systems near the Chernomorskoe fleet like it wasn't, it isn't.


In addition, the minesweeper "Ivan Golubets", which, among other things, was hit, was in the outer roadstead, and did not fulfill its immediate task - to guard the entrance to the South Bay, which is strategically important, if only because the docks of the Sevmorzavod and 247- and a separate division of submarines.

Should have developed in the opening


What, interestingly, did he do in the raid instead of protecting strategic objects from a possible attack?

Drones penetrated the inner roadstead through a small gap between the breakwaters. Until the 80s, there was a boom barrier between the breakwaters, then it was removed and still has not been installed, despite the military threat.

But it was necessary to start taking care of strengthening the roadstead of the Sevastopol Bay and the smaller bays adjacent to it from the beginning of September. It was then that an American drone was found on the coast of the Round Bay to search for mines, which, albeit theoretically, could also be used for sabotage.

And since the Round Bay is a recreation area, it is most likely that the drone was used to search for mines that could block approaches to the waters of Sevastopol. Now both sides are clearly aiming to intimidate each other. The Ukrainian underwater drone attack clearly failed, and it is quite possible that it was planned just to demonstrate that Sevastopol is vulnerable, while doing so in an anonymous manner.

The Russian side, in response, also decided to scare Ukraine with the fact that drones will be produced in Sevastopol, and at the same time provide yet another proof that Ukraine uses Western weapons. Moreover, initially it was claimed that the drones were Polish, now they are British.

Ukrainian resource...


However, there is evidence, and irrefutable, that Ukraine may not have an organized fleet of underwater drones, but the drones themselves are, and there are technologies for their production. For example, the founders of the UAE company Highland Systems, the developer and manufacturer of the Kronos unmanned underwater vehicle, are Ukrainians. The technology itself was also developed by Ukrainian engineers.

Warmate kamikaze drones are not Polish at all, as the Russian Ministry of Defense claimed, but by and large Polish-Ukrainian, since the Chernihiv CheZaRa radio equipment plant took part in their development. It must be remembered that after the collapse of the USSR, Ukraine got a number of military-industrial complex enterprises, including the aforementioned CheZaRa.

Initially, this enterprise specialized in communications and navigation for spacecraft. Another thing is that shipbuilding capacities are in decline, therefore, of course, the possibility of using production capacities abroad is not ruled out, while some part of the technologies is available to Ukraine itself. Therefore, it is possible that the fighting in the Black Sea will move into the phase of the “war of drones”.

...and a Russian perspective


The production of drones is a real prospect for the resuscitation of the Sevmorzavod. Given the current state of the enterprise, the possibility of setting up the production of underwater drones on its basis still looks on the verge of a bluff.


The plant in Ukraine was idle for a long time. In 2014, after the Russian Spring, it was transferred from the property of the oligarch Petro Poroshenko to municipal property. When the plant management announced the production of two heavy floating cranes, there were hopes for its resuscitation.

However, for some reason, literally on the eve of the special operation, employees began to be fired from the plant, including specialists and office personnel. The reason was the lack of funding for the enterprise, in addition to everything else, the Ministry of Defense was preparing for a quick and victorious war on foreign territory, not admitting that hostilities could be transferred to the shores of Crimea.

And even before that, it was not about the production of military ships, it was planned to build only floating cranes and bulk carriers. The failure of measures to improve production may also be evidenced by the fact that, simultaneously with mass layoffs, it was planned to give part of the plant’s territory for development, in particular, to build a campus there for the nearby Sevastopol branch of Moscow State University.

The project of production at the drone factory is apparently being considered as an option to attract the investments that are missing for modernization into its assets. But it should be remembered that the military activity of the plant mainly consisted not so much in the construction of military ships as in their repair.

The main part of them was always produced in Nikolaev (now belonging to Ukraine), Kerch and Feodosia. Therefore, such a sharp reorientation of the plant to the production of high-tech military products cannot be carried out in the short time required by the special operation.
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  1. Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy 23 November 2022 16: 17
    +10
    The level of this technology is not inferior to the same drones, according to Russian experts, British-made, which attacked Russian ships.
    Then the question is: Why is the fight of drones carried out on the roads of Sevastopol, and not Odessa or Ochakovsky? "Don't foreign commanders dare to rip off their uniforms on Russian bayonets?" Or they fear, the drone, what to take from it, will gore a Greek or a Turk ... request And you don’t have to go where they are fighting.
  2. saigon
    saigon 23 November 2022 16: 17
    +11
    Yes, it’s a tradition for naval strikes of the enemy not to wait and then be a little surprised.
    Port Arthur is a memorable example.
  3. Boniface
    Boniface 23 November 2022 16: 19
    +6
    somehow the author got confused in the terminology of "underwater" and "surface" drones, but the difference is big and the methods of dealing with them are just as different.
    For "surface" as passive protection - booms, for underwater PTS (ed. 176)
    So far, only surface drones have been used.
    Just forget that the Black Sea Fleet also has a naval base in Novorossiysk, the recent incident should not be forgotten!
  4. NG inform
    NG inform 23 November 2022 16: 27
    0
    And how to protect yourself from them, except as booms?
    These drones are surface, in theory they should be visible in the infrared range?
    Also, they can be captured - if you shoot down the satellites from which the drone is controlled, this is possible, legal and necessary.
    Speaking of satellites, I thought that the ideal way to shoot them down is to scatter shots (possibly tungsten) along the path of the satellite. The rocket, at the same time, must take off strictly vertically, and reach zero speed at the level of the satellite orbit: in this way, its minimum dimensions and cost will be ensured. The movement of the satellite is known at any time to within centimeters, the guidance system must be simple.
    And, damn it, when will the father of all the bombs be put on a rocket engine, to be launched from the old Topol 100 km away? They would have taken out all the fortified areas long ago.
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 23 November 2022 16: 49
      +5
      Quote: NG inform
      And how to protect yourself from them, except as booms?

      The Germans created the anti-submarine Nargen - Porkkala Udd line.
      In April 1943, between the islands of Nargen and Porkkala, double anti-submarine nets were delivered with a depth of about 60 meters and a length of about 30 miles along the front. Plus, an additional network is thinner - a signal one with buoys that give orange smoke when they touch.
      And that was almost 80 years ago
      1. NG inform
        NG inform 23 November 2022 20: 03
        +1
        Smarter ways are interesting - bonds cost money, and do not block the open sea.
        1. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 23 November 2022 20: 26
          +3
          Quote: NG inform
          Smarter ways are interesting - bonds cost money, and do not block the open sea.

          Free cheese is only in a mousetrap, you have to pay for the security of ports and naval bases, even Hitler understood this when he created a network barrier.
          1. NG inform
            NG inform 23 November 2022 20: 54
            0
            Well, that is, ships should not leave blocked ports?
            1. tihonmarine
              tihonmarine 23 November 2022 21: 00
              +3
              Quote: NG inform
              Well, that is, ships should not leave blocked ports?

              Sorry, but it's clear you're not a sailor.
              1. NG inform
                NG inform 24 November 2022 04: 15
                +1
                So what? What is this for?
                Sorry, I'm not smart enough to write a normal comment and in the opinion of the site administration does not carry useful information--> Sorry, I'm not smart enough to write a normal comment.
                1. tihonmarine
                  tihonmarine 24 November 2022 09: 31
                  +2
                  Quote: NG inform
                  So what? What is this for?

                  It’s just that a sailor won’t write this - "Well, that is, the ships should not leave the blocked ports?" the sailor knows perfectly well how to leave any port and how to enter, even if it is blocked.
                  1. NG inform
                    NG inform 25 November 2022 00: 26
                    +1
                    I didn't even pretend to be a sailor. But I more or less know physics, from that point of view I was interested.
                    These drones are not much different from torpedoes, they have a minus in the form of surface area, plus in the form of controllability. That's interesting, is it a child prodigy or can they be found from a reconnaissance aircraft?
                    1. tihonmarine
                      tihonmarine 25 November 2022 10: 31
                      0
                      Quote: NG inform
                      That's interesting, is it a child prodigy or can they be found from a reconnaissance aircraft?

                      Install acoustic hydrophones, the same physics. In Soviet times, the entire Barentsukh was tapped, even any motor boat was heard, so it was 50 years ago, and now science and technology are gone. Well, the same that the Germans had, signal networks.
                      1. NG inform
                        NG inform 26 November 2022 03: 53
                        +1
                        I don't seem to get it. The electric motors are quiet, the object is small.
                      2. tihonmarine
                        tihonmarine 26 November 2022 11: 42
                        +1
                        Quote: NG inform
                        I don't seem to get it. The electric motors are quiet, the object is small.

                        Modern equipment will catch it, the propellers still make noise, and the displacement is like that of a small boat (the acoustics even detect killer whales and seals, I saw it myself) when I worked on fishermen). Yes, at distances of more than 5 miles and beyond, it will be more difficult to recognize, but when approaching a naval base or a port, you can quite reliably determine the target. Even if the hydrophone does not take, the signal network will work when he buries it. Of course there is no 100% guarantee, but still better than nothing.
          2. Aag
            Aag 23 November 2022 21: 00
            +2
            Orbate to the Baikal poachers. They take risks for less money, and they lower the omul nets by 50 meters (not anti-submarine, of course, - well, they don’t have the same inances ...).
            If anything, - bitter sarcasm ... recourse
    2. Garik Gorkin
      Garik Gorkin 23 November 2022 17: 11
      -1
      about satellites - it was thought that the ideal way to bring them down is to scatter shots along the path of the satellite

      I suppose if we litter a certain orbit with metal balls, then the owners (remotely) will transfer their satellites to neighboring clean orbits.
      1. NG inform
        NG inform 23 November 2022 20: 02
        0
        1. This is for shooting down specific satellites - they will not have time to translate them.
        2. Excuse me, these balls cannot litter the orbit in any way, they will instantly fall to the ground.
        1. Alexey RA
          Alexey RA 24 November 2022 10: 40
          0
          Quote: NG inform
          2. Excuse me, these balls cannot litter the orbit in any way, they will instantly fall to the ground.

          There will be fragments of the satellite. Which will scatter away from the original orbit and may hit other satellites. In general, you can fly under the Kessler effect and the domino principle - to clean up orbits that are close in parameters from any working satellites and form a cloud of debris that prevents the launch of new technology.
          1. NG inform
            NG inform 25 November 2022 00: 30
            0
            Musk's reconnaissance and platforms fly in low orbits, the wreckage disappears in a year or two. In addition, the zero momentum of impact debris will contribute to their deceleration.
  5. Valter1364
    Valter1364 23 November 2022 16: 41
    +1
    As for closing the fairway with booms in Sevastopol, I don't know. And the fact that they have not been in Novorossiysk for more than 15 years is a fact. Everything was sold for scrap.
    1. yuriy1863
      yuriy1863 23 November 2022 17: 25
      +1
      At the entrance to the Sevastopol Bay, a boom network barrier stood even before the attack on October 29. But the second line (the traverse of the Mikhailovsky battery) is missing. Now the site has been transferred from the Ministry of Defense to the Patriot Park.
      1. vvn_vl
        vvn_vl 23 November 2022 19: 26
        -1
        the family business is thriving throughout the country. the nuclear-powered ship will be dragged soon
  6. parusnik
    parusnik 23 November 2022 17: 10
    +2
    This happened immediately after the attack on the city of federal significance by unmanned underwater vehicles of unknown origin.
    "Seventeen!" (c) xf "The Secret of Two Oceans"
  7. Scharnhorst
    Scharnhorst 23 November 2022 17: 23
    +1
    I agree that the proposal to assemble drones at the Sevmor plant is a PR. To build and assemble underwater drones, you do not need a factory on the shore of a bay in a city.
  8. vvn_vl
    vvn_vl 23 November 2022 19: 25
    0
    I liked the phrase: I didn’t serve in the army, but the advisers should have suggested ... does it remind you of anything? clues are mostly party and devoted
  9. Petrol cutter
    Petrol cutter 23 November 2022 23: 16
    +1
    I'm going a little off topic. At the same time, not so much.
    It is necessary to make a defense order. Everyone is talking about it. The goat is clear in no time.
    This is exactly what we are doing right now.
    And where is the supply of stupid tools and consumables to it ?!.
    To work specifically for me, what?!.
    The tool is out of order. Nothing to replace it. Expenditure three days already do not bring up.
    At the same time, you give five years in three years !!!
    A crowd of white helmets wanders around the shop ... Why are you wandering .. Why the hell are you walking ...
    What to do, no one, as I understand it, has no idea.
    But, the main thing is that you wear a helmet. This will speed up the work considerably. And most importantly, it will magically revive a dying grinder or semi-automatic welding machine.hi
    1. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 24 November 2022 10: 43
      0
      Quote: Benzorez
      It is necessary to make a defense order. Everyone is talking about it. The goat is clear in no time.
      This is exactly what we are doing right now.
      And where is the supply of stupid tools and consumables to it ?!.
      To work specifically for me, what?!.

      Well, are you a communist?! © smile
      80 years have passed - and nothing has changed:
      The inexperience of the staff was aggravated by the material unpreparedness of the factories to supply so many newcomers with tools and devices. The leaders of the production groups shrugged their shoulders: “... In 2 days I received 48 people, a little less than I have old workers ... I went to (tool department - M.M.), I ask what they will provide me with - I will give 10 hammers PCS.; there are no drills, pneumatic hammers, there are 5 electric hammers.” In total, the workshop received 48 workers, for the equipment of which ... 15 hammers were issued, i.e. approximately 3 workers per hammer!
      © Mukhin M.Yu. Aviation industry of the USSR and Germany on the eve of the Great Patriotic War // Proceedings of the Institute of Russian History. Issue. 9 / Russian Academy of Sciences, Institute of Russian History
  10. Vladimir Postnikov
    Vladimir Postnikov 25 November 2022 17: 43
    0
    It is difficult to say whether the Black Sea regional leader knew and found out now that they are already being produced in Russia, moreover, since Soviet times.

    What is this bullshit? Who is the author? Mikhail Vikentiev, diver
    Well, in this case, this diver dived clearly not into the water.
  11. acetophenone
    acetophenone 25 November 2022 20: 24
    -1
    Just people fussed. Those who do what needs to be given no money. And if you say about having no analogues in the world, then - yes, you can snatch some money. If you want to live, you won’t get so upset yet ... (c)