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The Chinese industry officially introduced the ZRPK "Type 625E"

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The Chinese industry officially introduced the ZRPK "Type 625E"
ZRPK "Type 625E" behind the scenes of the exhibition



During the recent Airshow China 2022, the Chinese defense industry showed several new developments in the field of air defense. One of the most interesting new products of this kind was the promising Type 625E anti-aircraft missile and gun system. It is made on the basis of an already known model and is as similar as possible to it, but it carries other weapons, due to which an increase in all the main combat characteristics is achieved.

Premiere in Moscow


The new ZRPK was demonstrated in one of the pavilions of the last exhibition next to other modern air defense systems. The Type 625E was developed by China South Industries Group Corporation (CSGC) and Norinco. The information plate said that this was an "integrated air defense missile and gun system."

The two corporations also showed a promotional video showing new anti-aircraft weapons, incl. "Type 625E". Shooting at an air target was demonstrated, and there were also shots taken through the thermal imager of the fire control system. The video shows how a rapid-fire cannon fires a large number of projectiles at a training target, and it falls apart in the air.


The complex on a tanker, you can estimate its size

Unfortunately, the exact composition of the components of the new Chinese ZRPK is still unknown, although there is some information on this subject. Tactical and technical characteristics, as well as the range of tasks to be solved and other features are not reported. The disclosed information and the appearance of the complex allow us to make some assumptions, but it is not yet clear how much they correspond to reality.

Upgrade option


At the last exhibition, the first public demonstration of the "Type 625E" took place. At the same time, such an air defense missile system has already appeared in open materials. So, last year, Norinco for the first time demonstrated the promising CS / SA5 anti-aircraft system, also with missile and cannon weapons. In particular, they showed filming of tests of an artillery system with firing at an air target from a cannon. The prototype from this video was no different from the current exhibition ZRPK.

The new video for Airshow China 2022 used exactly the same footage from the test, but this time there was a caption "Type 625E". It follows from this that the new ZRPK was developed no later than 2020-21. and then came to the test. And only now the industry considered it possible to show it at a public event.


It can be assumed that the current "Type 625E" was developed on the basis of the older CS / SA5 and is actually a modified and modernized version of it. This version is supported by the use of a common chassis and a unified turret with different weapons. As part of the new project, a multi-barrel gun and a missile system were replaced. It is possible that the means of lighting the situation and controlling fire have undergone significant updates.

Technical features


ZRPK "Type 625E", like its predecessor, is built on a special four-axle chassis. This is probably another modification of the Type 08 armored personnel carrier / infantry fighting vehicle. The chassis has a front-engine layout; next to the engine compartment is the control compartment. The central and aft parts of the hull are given over to the fighting compartment with operator positions. A large combat module with all weapons is installed on the roof.

The combat module of both systems is a full-revolving turret with a full set of necessary tools. In the center of the forehead is a oscillating launcher with an automatic cannon, on the sides there are two launchers with four anti-aircraft missiles on each. Smoke grenade launchers are fixed on the forehead of the module. A headlight detection radar was placed on the roof of the module. On the sides of it are two more mobile units - probably an optical-location station and a tracking radar.


Machine in the exhibition pavilion

The index "Type 625E" can refer not only to the complex as a whole, but also to its gun. The Chinese nomenclature for artillery systems indicates that this is a six-barreled gun of 25 mm caliber. The rate of fire of such a system can exceed 4-5 thousand shots / min. The range of effective fire is several kilometers. A significant part of the internal volume of the tower should be occupied by ammunition.

The gun is supplemented by eight missiles in transport and launch containers. According to some reports, these are products of the FN-10 type, developed in the recent past. This type of missile has a body of variable diameter and is equipped with an infrared homing head. Launch range - up to 10 km, target height - up to 5 km.

From the available data, it follows that the Type 625E air defense missile system is capable of independently monitoring airspace using a radar with phased array, possibly active. According to the data from the locator, the optical-electronic station and the tracking radar are included in the work. They are responsible for aiming weapons. It can be assumed that the SLA has all the necessary functions, such as automatic operation, data exchange with other air defense systems, etc.

For military air defense


Thus, the "Type 625E", like its predecessor in the form of CS / SA5, is a short-range self-propelled anti-aircraft missile and gun system designed for use in military air defense. Due to the combination of several modern components, a rather successful appearance has been created, providing a solution to a number of basic tasks.


test firing

The complex is built on a multi-axle chassis with high mobility and cross-country characteristics. With its help, ZRPK can accompany ground forces on the march and in battle, providing them with constant anti-aircraft cover. Unification with existing technology gives certain advantages.

With the help of regular radar and ECO, the complex is able to monitor the situation within a radius of at least 12-15 km. The characteristics of the FN-10 missiles are sufficient to counter a variety of air attack weapons. Having eight missiles ready to launch is a positive feature.

In the near zone with a radius of no more than a few kilometers, a multi-barreled gun comes into play. Its task is to defeat individual objects that have broken through the missile "echelon". Also, the 25-mm gun can be used against ground targets. In all situations, a high rate of fire increases the likelihood of hitting the target and inflicting fatal damage on it.

The composition of the equipment and armament of the ZRPK "Type 625E" indicates the ability to detect, attack and destroy aircraft and helicopters of tactical and army aviation, as well as various unmanned systems and aviation weapons. In general, the complex is able to protect troops on the march and positions from all current and perceived threats. However, exact performance indicators are unknown. They were supposed to be installed during the tests, but they are not in a hurry to disclose such characteristics.


Through the eyes of the operator: yellow frames of the FCS marks the fragments of the target

A self-propelled ZRPK of this kind has certain commercial prospects. It may enter service with the People's Liberation Army of China or become the subject of an export contract. The expected level of tactical and technical characteristics will allow him to compete with foreign models.

In the context of commercial prospects, the unification of the current "Type 625E" and the older CS / SA5 should be noted. These combat vehicles are built on the same base and have almost the same combat module, but with different weapons. Thanks to this, a potential customer can choose an air defense missile system that more fully meets his requirements. It cannot be ruled out that buyers will even be given the opportunity to choose the composition of weapons and other equipment.

Modular approach


Thus, the Chinese industry continues to develop the direction of self-propelled military air defense systems. In recent years, it has developed and shown to the general public two new missile-gun systems with short-range missiles and rapid-fire small-caliber guns at once. Such a technique, incl. new Type 625E, has been tested and probably confirmed the design performance.

In the near future, the new ZRPK may go into series in the interests of the PLA or a foreign customer. In addition, we can expect that at the next exhibitions CSGC and Norinco will present new complexes of this kind with various innovations. In this case, a full-fledged family of anti-aircraft systems with a modular architecture and well-known technical and commercial advantages will be formed.
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  1. yuriy55
    yuriy55 25 November 2022 16: 08
    -2
    The Chinese industry officially introduced the ZRPK "Type 625E"

    They picked up the same base for the Russian "Pantsir" ...
    1. Aerodrome
      Aerodrome 25 November 2022 16: 15
      -3
      Quote: yuriy55

      Picked up the same base for the Russian "Pantsir"

      "your gasoline, our ideas ..." (C) "golden calf".
    2. Andy_nsk
      Andy_nsk 25 November 2022 16: 53
      +3
      Picked up the same base for the Russian "Pantsir"

      Still, probably, it cannot be said that the "Shell" was torn to pieces, even from the photo it can be seen, but the fact that it is a rocket and cannon is understandable, the fight against UAVs is more than relevant!
      1. garri-lin
        garri-lin 25 November 2022 17: 32
        +3
        This is not an analogue of the Shell. Even its first modification. This is rather an analogue of Tunguska.
        1. yuriy55
          yuriy55 25 November 2022 18: 39
          -1
          Quote: garri-lin
          This is not an analogue of the Shell. Even its first modification. This is rather an analogue of Tunguska.

          This is not a technical comparison. It's irony!!! Maybe you think I didn't notice the difference? Here, the performance characteristics of missiles are weaker, but the base is lower ... Let's see it in action.
          1. garri-lin
            garri-lin 26 November 2022 00: 22
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            Base below. But in the Shell there is a full-fledged post of full-fledged anti-aircraft gunners. Long term oriented. That's where the size comes from.
            1. Zaurbek
              Zaurbek 26 November 2022 16: 47
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              The chassis depends on the purpose of the zrpk .... it was not in vain that the tugkuz was made on tracks .... someone should go in battle formations .... the chassis based on the armored personnel carrier is something between a truck and a tracked one. KAMAZ is a mobile platform for air defense missile systems. And with the wheeled chassis for armored personnel carriers, we still have a problem ....
              1. garri-lin
                garri-lin 26 November 2022 19: 46
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                Alas, yes. There is a problem with the chassis. But there is also a Pine and a Birdcatcher on a caterpillar chassis. Which, as it were, in terms of capabilities, is an analogue of this Chinese.
                1. Zaurbek
                  Zaurbek 26 November 2022 20: 21
                  0
                  For the Russian Federation, this is not a substitute for caterpillars, but for some countries it’s quite
    3. Real Pilot
      Real Pilot 25 November 2022 17: 15
      -1
      I wonder if they made shells with remote detonation, programmable?
      That is, not by flooding the target with fire, but by hitting it with shrapnel at the right distance.

      If they could, then this is a big plus for the system. Savings in ammunition, barrel life and increased efficiency will be achieved. More expensive, but definitely more valuable...
      1. prodi
        prodi 25 November 2022 17: 39
        +3
        judging by the Gatling, probably not, otherwise it would have been a spark and a larger caliber
      2. Woroshilow
        Woroshilow 25 November 2022 18: 55
        +2
        The Americans have shells with a programmable detonation in 25mm calibers, but they are not used on Gatling systems, their meaning is precisely that with a rate of fire of 4-5 thousand rounds per minute. create a lead wall in front of the target.
      3. Zaurbek
        Zaurbek 26 November 2022 16: 49
        +1
        In the picture we see the Gatling system .... it is unlikely that anyone will combine a programmer for shells with it. And with a rate of fire of 5-6 tons of shots, this is not necessary.
    4. Igor Chupakhin
      Igor Chupakhin 26 November 2022 17: 53
      -1
      So this is it! Differences, if any, are minimal!
    5. Igor Chupakhin
      Igor Chupakhin 26 November 2022 18: 12
      -1
      The Chinese still continue to "use" other people's developments, technologies and discoveries. Although, of course, this is not an exact copy.
      Question: "What prevents us from doing the same? Scrupulousness, as in the days of the late USSR - Gorbachev, the absence of "Industrial Intelligence" or its "excellent work from others"? Maybe they overlaid us with red lines on all sides ?!.
    6. bayard
      bayard 27 November 2022 01: 48
      -1
      Quote: yuriy55
      They picked up the same base for the Russian "Pantsir" ..

      The "Shell" has cooler missiles, with a range of up to 20 km. against 10 km. That's just their platform is more stable. But the idea of ​​\uXNUMXb\uXNUMXbZRPK, yes - from the "Shell".
  2. Vyacheslav p
    Vyacheslav p 25 November 2022 16: 10
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    Why are the wheels different colors?
    1. Aerodrome
      Aerodrome 25 November 2022 16: 16
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      Quote: Vyacheslav P
      Why are the wheels different colors?

      and there are no caps on the tractor on the rear axles .. yes?
    2. decimalegio
      decimalegio 26 November 2022 13: 12
      0
      Tire rims are painted in camouflage colors. So the car will hide better. laughing lol
  3. TIR
    TIR 25 November 2022 16: 35
    +1
    ZRPK is still a cutting edge machine. Therefore, it is necessary to make it like all first-line vehicles with an armored cabin and crew protection from HM. This is one of the axioms that has become a concept since the NWO. Any modern front-line equipment must be protected from fragments, small arms and tank mines - this is an axiom and it must always be taken into account!
    1. Woroshilow
      Woroshilow 25 November 2022 17: 05
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      Any modern front line equipment must be protected from fragments, small arms and tank mines.

      Oil oil You write here, since the time of the ancient Shilka ZSU and ZRPK have bulletproof armor. Protection against tank mines! Do you offer a mine trawl to hook a wheeled anti-aircraft gun?
      1. TIR
        TIR 27 November 2022 18: 33
        0
        Protection of the crew from undermining on TM. The car is no longer subject to repair, but people must survive 100% during explosions
    2. garri-lin
      garri-lin 25 November 2022 17: 30
      -1
      This is definitely not a cutting edge machine.
      1. Vladimir_2U
        Vladimir_2U 25 November 2022 17: 52
        -1
        Quote: garri-lin
        This is definitely not a cutting edge machine.

        But still, it looks noticeably more solid than the "Pantsir" riding a KAMAZ.
        1. garri-lin
          garri-lin 26 November 2022 00: 18
          +3
          The shell is objective. And it looks good for its work. This is a miracle in terms of ability like Tunguska. And for this work, it does not look very good.
          1. Vladimir_2U
            Vladimir_2U 26 November 2022 10: 01
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            Quote: garri-lin
            The shell is objective. And it looks good for its work.

            While it stands still, how many of them fell into a ditch along ideal roads and how many got stuck in the chernozem of Ukraine, to the delight of Khikhlam? I'm afraid that in commercial quantities.
            Quote: garri-lin
            This is a miracle in terms of ability like Tunguska. And for this work, it does not look very good.
            Why not so much? The armor is most likely comparable, I think the cross-country ability is not much lower, and the mobility on the highway is definitely higher. And I'm sure that the combat characteristics are comparable.
            1. garri-lin
              garri-lin 26 November 2022 12: 09
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              That is what is still in place. I generally agree about the rest. But he is made to be on duty around the clock. Not getting tired.
              High center mass is a definite minus but a compromise.
              The combat characteristics of the novelty and the rarity of 30 years ago are comparable. Yes, this is progress. And nothing that the range is frankly small. To work on attack helicopters, you need a confident defeat at 10 km.
              Permeability immediately put in doubt. Just like the Shell will get stuck. Tunguska in the field will be better.
              Anti-fragmentation armor. Logically. From an ATGM from a turntable, either KAZ or 70+ tons of metal is protected.
              1. Vladimir_2U
                Vladimir_2U 26 November 2022 16: 51
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                Quote: garri-lin
                The combat characteristics of the novelty and the rarity of 30 years ago are comparable. Yes, this is progress. Yes, this is progress. And nothing that the range is frankly small. To work on attack helicopters, you need a confident defeat at 10 km.

                Or much higher, due to an antenna with a PAR, or even an AFAR, and yes, a missile range of 10 (ten km). In addition, there is no better Tunguska, or rather it was not.
                Quote: garri-lin
                Permeability immediately put in doubt. Just like the Shell will get stuck. Tunguska in the field will be better.
                Well, in vain, even if the wheels are the same, then the short base immediately shows the best patency in terms of pressure on the ground, but the width also along the slopes. Although of course the caterpillars are more passable.
                1. garri-lin
                  garri-lin 26 November 2022 19: 52
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                  Significantly higher in detection and tracking capabilities? But definitely not at the level of the possibility of defeat. Half measure, and incomprehensible.
                  The base is not a base, but I saw how 18-ton armored personnel carriers get stuck. Gusli ran there. And confidently and the wheels got stuck.
                  1. Vladimir_2U
                    Vladimir_2U 27 November 2022 13: 12
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                    Quote: garri-lin
                    Significantly higher in detection and tracking capabilities? But definitely not at the level of the possibility of defeat. Half measure, and incomprehensible.
                    The Chinese military-industrial complex is growing in levels, and this machine at least corresponds to the capabilities of the Tunguska 2005. So it’s strange to read about “half-measures”.
                    Quote: garri-lin
                    The base is not a base, but I saw how 18-ton armored personnel carriers get stuck. Gusli ran there. And confidently and the wheels got stuck.
                    And Tunguska will give way to Torah on Vityaz - a question for the chassis, but I have never seen such a shame as with the Shell at the armored personnel carrier.
                    1. garri-lin
                      garri-lin 27 November 2022 15: 27
                      0
                      So Tunguska is the last century. And they squeezed everything out of her. She is at the end of her career and no longer matches her place. Against an equal opponent.
                      The product in question is brand new. It is illogical when a novelty is a little backward in terms of capabilities. Moreover, China is heavily invested in the development of the army.
                      Vityaz specialized chassis. With its cons.
                      And the Pantsir C1 on the Kamaz chassis, I repeat, this is an objective air defense. Near radius. Carapace on a caterpillar chassis exhibition rarity. Unfortunately. Again misunderstood. And he should be in the "field".
                      1. Vladimir_2U
                        Vladimir_2U 27 November 2022 15: 49
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                        Quote: garri-lin
                        So Tunguska is the last century.

                        Well, tell me the best imported analogues!
                      2. garri-lin
                        garri-lin 27 November 2022 16: 30
                        0
                        They are not here. The military doctrine of other states did not imply such a technique. Plus, the probable adversary of those "other" states had no goals for such machines until the recent past. Although I will make a reservation, the Su 25 is just a rather typical target.
                        But I meant helicopters as an anti-tank weapon.
        2. Zaurbek
          Zaurbek 26 November 2022 16: 50
          +1
          There is also a shell on the tracks ... they are just starting to make it.
        3. Alex777
          Alex777 27 November 2022 14: 57
          0
          Quote: Vladimir_2U
          But still, it looks noticeably more solid than the "Pantsir" riding a KAMAZ.


          I don't understand why you are so unhappy.
          Compare this mod. Life will get better.
          1. Vladimir_2U
            Vladimir_2U 27 November 2022 15: 48
            -2
            Quote: Alex777
            I don't understand why you are so unhappy.
            Compare this mod. Life will get better.

            I am very pleased with the picture, what a beautiful picture ...
      2. TIR
        TIR 27 November 2022 18: 35
        0
        Vehicle for direct cover of tanks and motorized infantry. Short-range air defense / missile defense. So no armor
        1. garri-lin
          garri-lin 27 November 2022 21: 47
          0
          On wheels??? Following the tanks??? Well, blablabla for the sake of the size of the comment.
  4. Woroshilow
    Woroshilow 25 November 2022 16: 55
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    The gun is supplemented by eight missiles in transport and launch containers. According to some reports, these are products of the FN-10 type, developed in the recent past. This type of missile has a body of variable diameter and is equipped with an infrared homing head.

    If infrared-guided missiles are used, why the ZRPK target tracking radar?
    1. Woroshilow
      Woroshilow 25 November 2022 17: 00
      0
      I’m dumb, but the gun can be guided through the tracking radar
      1. solar
        solar 26 November 2022 02: 24
        +1
        not necessary. Radar can be used to search for targets, review and to guide missiles before capturing their target seeker
        1. Woroshilow
          Woroshilow 26 November 2022 12: 20
          0
          A headlight detection radar was placed on the roof of the module. On the sides of it are two more mobile units - probably an optical-location station and a tracking radar.

          There are two radars, the detection of which rotates around its axis and the second tracking to capture and track the target, why should the missiles and infrared seeker be directed through the radar if there is an OLS
          1. solar
            solar 27 November 2022 22: 59
            0
            another radar is used for guidance
            The tracking radar tracks the target until the GOS missiles capture it.
            These are different radar functions.
            A wide beam detection radar detects a target and its approximate location. tracking - detects the exact location of the target and leads it
  5. Mikhail Maslov
    Mikhail Maslov 25 November 2022 17: 03
    0
    There is little information about what kind of fuses, whether there are other methods of guidance besides the thermal channel.
    1. Woroshilow
      Woroshilow 25 November 2022 18: 47
      0
      Did you read the article at all? contact fuses on a six-barreled gatling programmer cannot be installed, the ZRPK has two guidance channels, radar and optical
      According to the data from the locator, the optical-electronic station and the tracking radar are included in the work. They are responsible for aiming weapons
      , rate of fire
      The rate of fire of such a system can exceed 4-5 thousand shots / min.
      .
      and the aiming angle, if the UAV attacks the hull.
      I didn't understand what it means at all.
  6. garri-lin
    garri-lin 25 November 2022 17: 34
    +1
    The layout allows you to replace the multi-barreled gun with a gun with a caliber of 57-76 mm.
    1. Woroshilow
      Woroshilow 25 November 2022 19: 03
      0
      Why do it? They have BMPs on the Type 08 chassis that do not have such calibers.
      1. garri-lin
        garri-lin 26 November 2022 00: 27
        0
        57-76 mm with a programmable detonation is more promising than 25 mm. Let it be fast. Moreover, China can actually make a guided projectile in these calibers. And massive. The next iteration of the machine may already be with something similar.
      2. Zaurbek
        Zaurbek 26 November 2022 16: 52
        +1
        I assure you, China will do everything and for all calibers……..
    2. Sergey Romanchenko
      Sergey Romanchenko 26 November 2022 02: 49
      0
      A remotely detonated 57mm zent cannon would be very useful now. Water derivation of air defense is, after all, the same infantry fighting vehicle with a 57mm cannon and is programmed by detonation. But it seems that someone in the RF Ministry of Defense simply does not like the numbers 5 and 7. And this weapon is a scribe, how relevant. For her, both sub-caliber ones were developed, and simply fragmentation ones. And even high-precision laser-guided missiles like Krasnopole.
      1. garri-lin
        garri-lin 26 November 2022 08: 28
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        And China will need only a couple of years to repeat all this. An almost perfect weapon against drones.
        1. Sergey Romanchenko
          Sergey Romanchenko 26 November 2022 13: 52
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          I’m talking about this and that a clockwork projectile is much cheaper than a drone.
          It is written that during the Second World War this cannon was effective up to 6 km.
          That's why I say develop a new cap for the "Derivation" module, which is already there, just put the ammunition selector. And it turns out that the infantry fighting vehicle will protect its composition and protect it from drones 24/7, and this weapon will sew Puma Brady literally through.
          1. garri-lin
            garri-lin 26 November 2022 14: 54
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            There with the selector it will be difficult. The rest I agree.
      2. Woroshilow
        Woroshilow 26 November 2022 12: 27
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        Derivation is not an infantry fighting vehicle, it does not have a troop compartment.
        1. Sergey Romanchenko
          Sergey Romanchenko 26 November 2022 13: 35
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          Yes, I'm sorry. air defense derivation on the BMD hull. The floats fooled me.
          As far as I remember, the tower is a gun carriage there, and therefore nothing prevents it from being installed on an infantry fighting vehicle in order to reduce its cost.
          1. Woroshilow
            Woroshilow 26 November 2022 14: 07
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            On the BMP-3 platform and not BMD, if anything.
      3. Zaurbek
        Zaurbek 26 November 2022 16: 53
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        Why, if there is a rocket with such an undermining?
  7. Roman Efremov
    Roman Efremov 25 November 2022 19: 47
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    Quote from Woroshilow
    The Americans have shells with a programmable detonation in 25mm calibers

    Is there?
    In any case, if the Chinese can do it in 25 mm caliber, it will be a sensation! So far, we have not been able to in caliber 30 mm.
    1. Woroshilow
      Woroshilow 26 November 2022 01: 06
      +2
      PABM-T is a universal programmable fuse suitable for use in various artillery ammunition, designed and manufactured by Orbital ATK / Northrop Grumman. In fact, it can be installed in ammunition in caliber from 25mm to 40mm, but they are not installed in caliber 25x137mm (there is such a possibility, if desired, and a lot of money), you will have to upgrade the old M242 Bushmaster guns. Therefore, they are produced mainly in 30x173mm and 40x180mm calibers for the new Bushmaster guns coming straight from the factory with a programmable shell detonation system.
      1. Zaurbek
        Zaurbek 26 November 2022 16: 54
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        Even the Americans do not put such on Gatling. The programmer will not have time
        1. Woroshilow
          Woroshilow 26 November 2022 21: 51
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          but they are not installed in caliber 25x137mm (there is such a possibility, if desired and a lot of money) you will have to upgrade the old M242 Bushmaster guns

          I did not talk about guns with a rotating block of barrels.
        2. Igor K
          Igor K 11 January 2023 21: 34
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          When using a programmable fuse (especially important when working on UAVs), you can change the rate of fire with a cutoff of two or three shots.
          When working on large and durable targets (anti-ship missiles, air-to-ground, ground-to-ground missiles), switch to a high rate of fire and appropriate ammunition).
    2. Zaurbek
      Zaurbek 26 November 2022 23: 28
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      Well, China and the Russian Federation are not on the same level in such matters ...... China is serially cloning all our and Western weapons. They have long been flying javelins and spikes
  8. Roman Efremov
    Roman Efremov 25 November 2022 19: 51
    +1
    Quote: Mikhail Maslov
    There is little information, what kind of fuses, are there other methods of guidance besides the thermal channel

    The rocket is too small and probably cheap to implement multiple guidance methods in it. Most likely, slightly enlarged from MANPADS (judging by the size of the container) with the corresponding head.
    1. Woroshilow
      Woroshilow 26 November 2022 01: 14
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      According to some reports, these are products of the FN-10 type, developed in the recent past. This type of missile has a body of variable diameter and is equipped with an infrared homing head. Launch range - up to 10 km, target height - up to 5 km.

      Here, in general, who reads articles or too many letters, what the hell are MANPADS, look at the range and height, the missiles of this Chinese Wunderwaffe are comparable to our 9M333 for the Strela-10 air defense system
      1. Roman Efremov
        Roman Efremov 26 November 2022 09: 07
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        And the Strela-10 missiles, you might think, have a huge range and height? A little more than MANPADS, increase MANPADS in length due to the increase in fuel - and it will be what you need.
        1. Woroshilow
          Woroshilow 26 November 2022 12: 12
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          And how will you wear such a MANPADS, and yes, the difference is huge by about 2.5 times.
          1. Roman Efremov
            Roman Efremov 26 November 2022 13: 13
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            Why wear - we are discussing missiles on this Chinese RPZK, they are transported and launched from containers.
            1. Woroshilow
              Woroshilow 26 November 2022 14: 45
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              increase MANPADS in length due to the increase in fuel

              Are you talking about MANPADS, maybe you mean missiles for MANPADS? So, none of this will change the weight and size characteristics of missiles, it will be necessary to redo the control rudders, wings, main and starting engines, install a different gyroscope, in fact it will be a completely new product. Not everything is as simple as you think.
              1. Roman Efremov
                Roman Efremov 26 November 2022 15: 24
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                Of course, something will have to be changed. We are talking about an enlarged MANPADS missile for use in ZRPK.
          2. Roman Efremov
            Roman Efremov 26 November 2022 13: 21
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            Where you saw a difference of 2,5 times - Sosna (with new missiles) has a range of 10 and a height of 5, and Verba MANPADS have a range of 6,4 and a height of 4,5.
            1. Woroshilow
              Woroshilow 26 November 2022 14: 35
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              and the Verba MANPADS have a range of 6,4 and a height of 4,5
              The data that you provide was obtained from test results, fired at air targets in the form of magnesium illuminating projectiles descended on a parachute with a combustion temperature of 3000 ° C. Launches on real targets are much more modest.
              1. Roman Efremov
                Roman Efremov 26 November 2022 15: 26
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                I have to take your word for it, am I right?
                1. Woroshilow
                  Woroshilow 26 November 2022 16: 48
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                  You may not believe it, I speak from the words of a person who served at the Kapustin Yar training ground, there is an article for general understanding, but without printing the signature of representatives of M.O. https://politinform.su/86630-o-prakticheskom-primenenii-pzrk.html
              2. Comet
                Comet 29 November 2022 17: 24
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                [quote = Woroshilow] [quote] and the Verba MANPADS have a range of 6,4 and a height of 4,5 [/ quote] [/ quote]
                Roman Efremov gave the boundaries of the zone of destruction of a typical target.

                [quote = Woroshilow] [quote] The data you provide was obtained from test results, fired at air targets in the form of magnesium illuminating projectiles descended on a parachute with a combustion temperature of 3000 ° C. [/ quote]
                And this is not important for determining the boundaries of the affected area of ​​a typical target.

                [quote = Woroshilow] [quote] Launches on real targets are much more modest. [/ quote]
                The means of target detection and target designation are much more modest, therefore the launch zone is much more modest.
  9. Nord11
    Nord11 25 November 2022 22: 13
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    Chinese industry, and you haven’t received a demand from Ukraine to ship a new product to them? Look in your spam folder..
    1. Zaurbek
      Zaurbek 26 November 2022 16: 55
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      This is just the KR and Geranium to shoot down…………..
  10. Div Divich
    Div Divich 26 November 2022 13: 02
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    At first I thought an analogue of the terminator, but then I saw the radar and calmed down. Shooting down drones is a necessary and important thing, the main thing is to distinguish between your own and other people's drones.
  11. Igor Chupakhin
    Igor Chupakhin 26 November 2022 18: 00
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    The Chinese continue, without hesitation, to use other people's developments, technologies and
    discoveries!
    Question: "What prevents us from doing exactly the same? Either we don't have industrial intelligence, as before, or it "DOES NOT WORK"!
  12. acetophenone
    acetophenone 26 November 2022 18: 09
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    Quote: Igor Chupakhin
    The Chinese continue, without hesitation, to use other people's developments, technologies and
    discoveries!
    Question: "What prevents us from doing exactly the same? Either we don't have industrial intelligence, as before, or it "DOES NOT WORK"!

    Industrial intelligence may still be breathing, but the industry itself has gone to bed. Almost everything that is done is done by inertia. And the new one is for exhibitions, presentations and parades. And even that is new ... conditionally.
  13. Igor Chupakhin
    Igor Chupakhin 26 November 2022 18: 19
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    By the way, what a camouflage - "pixel"! Like our sworn brothers - "coming out-orcs" with forelocks! From there, they also have tank diesel engines, and helicopter engines! ..
  14. Gippo
    Gippo 1 January 2023 20: 19
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    Clear. Bang-bang everyone and everything --- it's contagious.
  15. Eug
    Eug 15 January 2023 11: 27
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    For some reason, I like this arrangement - the gun in the center - more than the barrels on the sides on the Shell and Tunguska.