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Dead end or battle for the Dnieper: possible scenarios for the development of events in Ukraine

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Dead end or battle for the Dnieper: possible scenarios for the development of events in Ukraine
Source: daryo.uz



APU rushes to the east


The forecasts for the beginning of this year speak very well about the quality of Western analytics and the level of work of the intelligence service. Everyone in a row, starting with the CIA and ending with anti-Russian liberals, predicted defeat for the Ukrainian army in the very first weeks of the special operation. The situation, as we see, went a little differently. In the summer, NATO intelligence even talked about a serious reform of analytical services in connection with the total failure. Now the Western military has a tilt in the other direction - a total discrediting of the level of the Russian army. Finding the golden mean is very difficult. Therefore, one should be very careful about enemy forecasts about the future of Ukraine. However, this does not change our close attention to Western rhetoric.

Not so long ago, The Economist decided to shed light on the next few months of the Russian special operation. The opinion of a fairly serious publication should not be passed by - it allows you to understand the mood within the Western establishment. And the level of future support for the Kyiv regime may already depend on this. Therefore, we analyze the reasoning of the publication without unnecessary emotions. The Economist offers three scenarios for the development of events. The first and most optimistic for Zelensky is to slowly but surely push the Russian army east. In the fantasies of British analysts, the Armed Forces of Ukraine, after receiving Kherson, will not stop there and with the blows of the “divine” HIMARS they will deploy the Russian army back.


Source: thenationalherald.com

The Economist describes the logic of events:

“Russian positions in Lugansk are crumbling, Ukraine recaptures Severodonetsk and then quickly moves further east. As Russian casualties mount, the recruits refuse to fight. Western countries are hastily deploying new air defense systems to Ukraine, reducing the impact of Russia's tactics based on its rapidly dwindling arsenal of precision-guided missiles.

The ageless mantra about the dried up Russian arsenals surprisingly does not leave the pages of the Western press. A similar sedative can be found in most foreign journalists throughout the conflict. Perhaps only Fox News, which regularly sends Zelensky to hell, tries not to focus too much attention on this myth. The West, represented by journalists from The Economist, is seriously considering the possibility of a forced retreat of Russia from its new territories. In the forecasts, five brigades of the Armed Forces of Ukraine break through the front in the Zaporozhye region, go to Mariupol and cut the land corridor to the Crimea. Further, the rest of the directions are pouring in - the nationalists are storming Severodonetsk and approaching Luhansk. Encouraged foreign sponsors throw more weapons and ammunition, in the Armed Forces of Ukraine demonstrate victories after victories. It would seem that it is time for the Zelensky team to open the champagne, but it is at this stage that the West expects a particular bitterness of the conflict. According to journalists, things could go as far as tactical nuclear strikes and an uncontrolled escalation of events. The Economist recalled the Russian constitution, according to which the protection of the territory is provided by any available means. Not the most optimistic option for Kyiv. It is worth dwelling on this separately - a considerable (if not large) part of the Western elite sees huge risks in the victory of the Armed Forces of Ukraine on the battlefield.

Options #2 and #3


Western journalists did not limit themselves to a pseudo-positive scenario for the Ukrainian authorities. There are also sad forecasts for Zelensky. Positional impasse is one of them. In Western terms, it is called "stalemate". Russia cannot organize an offensive. The explanation for this by foreigners is simple - untrained and poorly motivated fighters are only able to dig trenches and shoot back. Without the support of armored vehicles (everyone remembers that the Armed Forces of Ukraine destroyed everything Tanks RF?) An effective offensive is impossible. Time after time it ends with heavy losses and the only way out is to return to a deaf defense. The situation is no better for the nationalists. Equipment is chronically lacking, and every kilometer of conquered territory is given to Bandera more and more difficult. As a result, Zelensky is forced to transfer the fronts to a similar Russian deaf defense. The conflict is frozen, despite the fact that Ukraine, according to the Secretary of the National Security and Defense Council Oleksiy Danilov, does not "freezer". This is an undesirable option for both the West and the Kyiv regime. Russia has shown resource endowment and readiness to go all the way. Europe, on the other hand, will have serious problems with gas supply both during 2023 and with the onset of next winter. In some states, outrage is growing over the consequences of the sanctions policy. For example, in Rome on November 5, there was a protest of tens of thousands of Italians under the slogan:

“We don't want war. No weapons, no sanctions. Where is the diplomacy?


Source: albawaba.com

The Kremlin continues to strike at Ukrainian infrastructure, and the collective West also has to pay for the restoration of destroyed facilities. How long this can last is unknown, but The Economist is betting on Russia's economic exhaustion. In defiance of Western analysts, there is an opinion of Alexei Kudrin regarding the financial prospects of our state. He can hardly be reproached for being biased by the Kremlin. According to Kudrin, this year the fall in Russian GDP will be 3,3%, and probably even 2,9%. The West in its worst dreams predicted a total collapse by December, and even the most balanced estimates expected a 0,8% drop in the gross domestic product. Estimates for next year vary. A drop from XNUMX% in the most optimistic scenario to several percent in the worst case. What do analysts talk about when it comes to Ukraine? There is nothing to rate here at all. The country is one hundred percent dependent on foreign aid, so the hypothetical GDP should be estimated by the degree of favor of Washington and Brussels. The military and financial assistance of the West is not unlimited, and the potential of Russia cannot be compared with the Ukrainian one. How much longer will European leaders and Joe Biden be able to support Zelensky in the volumes he needs? "As many as needed", they answer. And, indeed, in the West, the time to slow down the Ukrainian conflict has not yet come. This was well demonstrated by the G7 forum with a characteristic final statement. The absurdity of rhetoric is understood even in the United States. Rand Corporation expert Samuel Charap writes in this regard:

“The G7 statement is essentially a demand for the total surrender of Russia, which is not a plausible diplomatic outcome. Diplomacy, by definition, involves give and take. Waiting shouldn't be another Versailles treaty."

This means one thing - the strategic lull on the fronts is not yet turning into dividends for Russia.

A third scenario for the development of the Ukrainian crisis is also being considered. According to him, the Russian army in the spring collects a shock fist and advances in the Krivoy Rog region, liberates Slavyansk and Kramatorsk. This will be part of the so-called battle for the Dnieper. Interestingly, The Economist considers this option the least likely. Analysts see a forced peace on the Kremlin's terms as the main risks of a succession of successful Russian offensives. At the same time, Zelensky is not considered an independent figure - the West is forcing him to a diplomatic solution to the issue. What is not known is whether Russia accepts a diplomatic solution to the conflict.

Under any of the three scenarios for the development of the Ukrainian crisis, in the eyes of Western observers there is a genuine fear of the thirst for Russian revenge. Say, rest, gather strength and strike. Not immediately, of course, but still we will demolish the nationalist regime. And this, perhaps, is the main reason why foreign sponsors are still reserved about the peaceful resolution of the situation.
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  1. leks
    leks 22 November 2022 05: 31
    +16
    There is an option with an agreement according to the Sullivan formula!
    There are "rumors" that it is possible that the Zaporozhye NPP will be handed over by the new year, first under the UN and the IAEA, and then stolen, so that the people are not very indignant.
    As for the offensive in the spring, why in the spring, and not in the winter, in the same February, for example? But here everything rests on the number of infantry, what is clearly not enough, and even taking into account the mobilized, this will not be enough. If the second wave is organized, then it is possible that something will be organized by the summer and that is not the fact that it is successful - we are looking at the Avdeevka direction.
    1. Asad
      Asad 22 November 2022 05: 35
      +47
      Personally, I am interested in the author’s conclusion from the article that Western experts were confident in the rapid defeat of Ukraine, such as they are not far off. And what, ours were sure of the opposite !? Does the author think the quality of our analytics is excellent? After yesterday's article by Skomorokhov, this opus, to put it mildly, Croce, the respected members of the forum understood.
    2. Stas157
      Stas157 22 November 2022 06: 31
      +15
      In the beginning, we talked about victory, simply because it seemed inevitable. After 9 months of ours, we began to speak differently:

      Dead end or battle for the Dnieper: possible scenarios for the development of events in Ukraine
      1. Eroma
        Eroma 22 November 2022 11: 28
        0
        With the help of mobilization, Russia deprives the Armed Forces of Ukraine of numerical superiority. We are driving the situation into a positional war, in which we have a technical advantage (art and aviation). Apparently, in the winter there will be a creeping offensive from our side, with the aim of "forcing negotiations"! laughing The Armed Forces of Ukraine, of course, can still mobilize up to a million people and try to arrange a new throw, but they are unlikely to succeed, the scale of the battle is different (there are more numbers on both sides), the depth of the breakthrough is needed more, and for this you need more equipment than there is! Therefore, the Armed Forces of Ukraine will fight to the death as long as they can, based on the fact that the economy of the Russian Federation will not withstand a positional war! bully
        We will have to additionally call on people to join the summer company in order to break through the front, by this moment, if we don’t do stupid things ourselves, then the Armed Forces of Ukraine will be significantly exhausted, it will be possible to try with fired units (from today’s mobiles) to arrange the operation "Bogration", and cover the rear and flanks with new mobs soldier
        1. Deon59
          Deon59 22 November 2022 13: 19
          +8
          The advantage in aviation with artillery does not prevent Khokhols from seizing a bridgehead, then developing an offensive, does not interfere with shelling settlements, headquarters and positions. All advantage is drained by the leadership and generals
          1. Edas
            Edas 22 November 2022 18: 43
            0
            I think the West will pump up the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the winter of air defense and the advantage of the Russian Armed Forces will be reduced to zero. Plus, in winter, Ukrainians will be dragged throughout Europe and an offensive will be launched in the spring
            1. Hadji Murat
              Hadji Murat 23 November 2022 05: 25
              +1
              Where do these come from? We ran into the site in the summer, and let's disperse the pro-Ukrainian theme
        2. Osipov9391
          Osipov9391 22 November 2022 18: 03
          -1
          In fact, there is no one else to mobilize in Russia - this is a huge burden on the economy and society.
          Then, out of these 300 thousand that have already been called up by the middle of winter, up to 25% can be knocked out only due to illness and frostbite.
          I would immediately ban mobilization in rural areas as dangerous and harmful to the normal functioning of these settlements.
          And yes, we have already wrested 300 people from the economy who have no one to replace them.
          And in order to effectively fight one mobilized, 35-40 people are needed in the rear.
          1. Eroma
            Eroma 22 November 2022 18: 16
            +7
            It was necessary to think about this before February 24! Today we need to think about Victory, and the sooner we finish, the "cheaper" everything will be for the economy. You still need to think about the consequences and dividends from the war before you start it! bully and if you are forced to enter the war without potential dividends, then you need to drive the Foreign Ministry in the neck! am
          2. guest
            guest 24 November 2022 01: 47
            +1
            Quote: Osipov9391
            This is a huge burden on the economy and society.

            But if we lose this war, then there will be no economy and society.
          3. Ilgizl
            Ilgizl 27 November 2022 19: 07
            0
            Yes, in the villages, in my opinion, there is really no healthy young male population left, here I agree with you.
            1. Osipov9391
              Osipov9391 28 November 2022 00: 21
              0
              Yes, we still have men in the villages of the Tver region.
              Both young and healthy.
              But in winter, a woman with children to be left without a man in a house with stove heating is a misfortune and a big misfortune.
      2. TIR
        TIR 22 November 2022 12: 48
        +2
        If we look analytically at events and forces, then long-term scenarios and forecasts will be most accurate for American institutions, then there are statements by the Kyiv regime, then Russian TV channels, then the official position of the Kremlin, and finally, the "experts" of federal channels. Whatever you think, but this is an objective rating
      3. Bad_gr
        Bad_gr 22 November 2022 13: 11
        +7
        Quote: Stas157
        In the beginning, we talked about winning, ....

        And now from a high tribune they say so:
        Lavrov said that the tasks of the SVO do not change ...
        https://tass.ru/politika/16015971
        Patrushev: the tasks of the NWO will be completed ....
        https://tass.ru/politika/16329133
        Russia is unshakable in its determination to fulfill all the tasks set within the framework of the special military operation (SVO) in Ukraine. This was stated by Deputy Head of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs (MFA) of the Russian Federation Sergey Ryabkov, TASS reports.

        I just don't understand how these statements are consistent with
        The purpose of the special military operation in Ukraine is not to change the current government. This was announced today, November 21, by the press secretary of the President of the Russian Federation Dmitry Peskov.
        и
        constant exaggeration of the topic of negotiations with Kyiv. What do they want to negotiate with the authorities, without replacing which it is impossible to fulfill the tasks of the NWO?
      4. AAK
        AAK 23 November 2022 01: 21
        +1
        Before the start of the NWO, there was one assessment by the people of the political leadership, after 9 months of the NWO, this assessment deteriorated significantly and the patience to observe the results of the "negotiation processes" and "agreements" in the "interests of respected partners" began to dry up ... God forbid someone to reach that so that the patience of the people burst ...
        1. Hadji Murat
          Hadji Murat 23 November 2022 05: 29
          +1
          From every iron there are hints of 1917, as a historian, I am also dissatisfied with a lot of things, but I don’t want a repetition of that situation at all, we must do everything necessary and bring the war to a victorious end, all the same, the maximum of this situation will be the retention of new Russian territories, minus Kherson , but it will only be a respite
    3. Ingvar 72
      Ingvar 72 22 November 2022 07: 50
      +24
      Quote: leks
      There are "rumors" that perhaps the Zaporizhzhya NPP by the new year will be handed over first under the UN and the IAEA,

      By the way, yes. Also heard. It will be a total disgrace.
      P.S. A question for the zaputints - where do you have red lines?
      1. Vladimir M
        Vladimir M 22 November 2022 07: 53
        +22
        Let's move the red lines. For the first time or something. Romka obramovich organizes.
      2. Stas157
        Stas157 22 November 2022 09: 35
        +8
        Quote: Ingvar 72
        Question for the confused - where are the red lines??

        They are not here. But there are white flags!
        1. Ingvar 72
          Ingvar 72 22 November 2022 09: 39
          +5
          Quote: Stas157
          But there are white flags!
          People with such views are more to face iridescent ....
        2. Civil
          Civil 22 November 2022 09: 40
          +1
          1. As management decides, so be it.
          2. They forgot to ask us.
          3. Will we advance in chains?
      3. rotkiv04
        rotkiv04 22 November 2022 11: 03
        +8
        Quote: Ingvar 72
        Quote: leks
        There are "rumors" that perhaps the Zaporizhzhya NPP by the new year will be handed over first under the UN and the IAEA,

        By the way, yes. Also heard. It will be a total disgrace.
        P.S. A question for the zaputints - where do you have red lines?

        Yes, it seems that Putin no longer decides anything, acts as a wedding general at forums and presentations, distributes heroes to the generals, and promises to the people
      4. TIR
        TIR 22 November 2022 12: 53
        0
        They have red lines where jingoism ends and defeats begin. I also think this winter we will completely lose the remnants of the Kherson and Zaporozhye regions. The line of defense will pass through Armyansk and west of Mariupol. And at this point, peace (surrender) will be signed. Why surrender? Because the Armed Forces of Ukraine will begin to strike throughout the territory of Crimea with Hymers. And either fight at full strength or win or lose power, or sign a surrender and make a concentration camp out of Russia in order to maintain power. The question is not whether we will win or keep the territory. The issue is the preservation of power in the current government
        1. Uno
          Uno 22 November 2022 21: 24
          +1
          There are strange opinions here, many say that the Hymars did not decide anything in this war and probably will not decide
        2. Hadji Murat
          Hadji Murat 23 November 2022 05: 42
          +2
          The opinion of a stoned Ukrainian, they were deliberately divorced here in the summer and autumn of this year, they write defeatist comments, only fools are led to such
          1. stankow
            stankow 27 November 2022 17: 58
            0
            Hadji Murad In September, just overnight, about three dozen such "concerned" about Russia registered here. They themselves write, they themselves press the plus signs.
        3. Alexey Lantukh
          Alexey Lantukh 23 November 2022 14: 18
          0
          Both sides can say whatever they want. After all, they drive propaganda against the people (electorate). But, there is reality. I doubt very much that ours, even in the worst case, will give up the south of Zaporozhye and Kherson, since this is a canal and access to the Sea of ​​​​Azov. And Donbass? If they do not take it completely, then the Kremlin will certainly be considered a bunch of balabols. Well, what about Kharkov? Will have to forget. This is the minimum program that is possible. Zaporozhye NPP? Options are possible, including yours and ours and in half. Why is it stalled now? And it is clear to the horse that there is a critical shortage of trained soldiers, as well as weapons and ammunition. Need time. In the Ukrainian Armed Forces, the situation is approximately the same.
    4. Evgeny Ivanov_5
      Evgeny Ivanov_5 22 November 2022 08: 37
      +7
      If the nuclear power plant is surrendered, then it will be necessary to retreat even closer to Perekop, and this is the abandonment of positions near Nikolaev and Ochakov. That is, the front is pouring in further and the enemy has a foothold on the left bank of the Dnieper.
    5. highlight
      highlight 26 November 2022 12: 35
      +1
      Quote: leks
      If the second wave is organized, then it is possible that something will be organized by the summer and that is not the fact that it is successful - we are looking at the Avdeevka direction.

      Tuvan commanders from all the operational art have mastered only frontal assaults on fortified areas?
      Yes, and the mobilized will be very motivated by the autumn-winter agreements on Kherson and the nuclear power plant with an ammonia pipeline and grain deals. Only in what direction are they motivated ...?
  2. parusnik
    parusnik 22 November 2022 05: 35
    +34
    Not immediately, of course, but still we will demolish the nationalist regime.
    Uh-huh. Yesterday on the VO news
    Peskov: Change of leadership in Ukraine is not one of the goals of the special operation
  3. your vsr 66-67
    your vsr 66-67 22 November 2022 05: 41
    +32
    Analysts... Forecasts...
    But how events (war) will actually unfold, no one knows! I think that even in our General Staff they don’t know!
    Somehow I lost faith in the work of our military. Not those in the trenches, but those in the headquarters.
    What a troubling time! I remember how the Minister of Defense, I think Grachev, promised to bring Chechnya to its knees with two regiments of the Airborne Forces. And what has changed? Yes, only what they now promised ".... chop into cabbage ..... "!
    Where is the cabbage, and where are the grunts?
    1. parusnik
      parusnik 22 November 2022 06: 13
      +15
      I remember how the Minister of Defense, I think Grachev, promised to bring Chechnya to its knees with two regiments of the Airborne Forces.
      Do you remember how it ended? They agreed with Kadyrov Sr. and only because they did not find a common language with Dudayev.
  4. Leader_Barmaleev
    Leader_Barmaleev 22 November 2022 05: 54
    -4
    “Never plot anything against Russia, because she will answer any of your cunning with her unpredictable stupidity.” Otto von Bismarck

    Old man Otto was a very smart and perspicacious politician. Better than him, no one has yet been able to describe the Russian military doctrine literally in a nutshell.
    1. Leader_Barmaleev
      Leader_Barmaleev 22 November 2022 07: 24
      +13
      The rarest case when you want to know the motivation of the downvoters. What exactly did Bismarck say wrong? And isn't the current situation described, both in tactics and in strategy, by Russia with one capacious word IDIOTISM???
      1. 2 Level Advisor
        2 Level Advisor 22 November 2022 08: 01
        +21
        I didn’t put a minus for you, but I’ll hint “Gai Julius Caesar, if my memory serves me, said:“ Russians are the best at fighting and creating, and also attributing beautiful phrases about themselves to famous foreigners "
        1. Leader_Barmaleev
          Leader_Barmaleev 22 November 2022 08: 05
          -3
          I didn't say that! © G.Yu. Caesar. Source - I.S. Turgenev Bazarov point no.
          1. 2 Level Advisor
            2 Level Advisor 22 November 2022 08: 18
            +10
            and you give the source of your quote from Bismarck, and I will gladly publicly admit that I’m wrong .. I didn’t find it, about the same level as the “quote” I cited, i.e. OBS
            1. Leader_Barmaleev
              Leader_Barmaleev 22 November 2022 08: 32
              -4
              Well, what can I tell you - you don’t understand hints, with irony and a sense of humor you also apparently didn’t have friendship ... Any educated person knows for sure that Bismarck did not say this, as well as the fact that Saltykov-Shchedrin never spoke about "drinking and stealing". It's just that sometimes it is THESE "quotes" that illustrate the situation better than any detailed commentary. It always makes me very annoyed to explain such things to people, but you asked for it yourself. And they still slapped me a minus hi
              1. 2 Level Advisor
                2 Level Advisor 22 November 2022 08: 56
                +4
                I was in a hurry to work - I didn’t read too much hi about the minus - I said that I didn’t put you, although we don’t know each other, I assure you that I don’t do that, say and do the opposite .. I’ll put a plus, as a sign of mutual understanding ..)
        2. Former soldier
          Former soldier 22 November 2022 08: 41
          -10
          I didn’t put a minus for you, but I’ll hint “Gai Julius Caesar, if my memory serves me, said:“ Russians are the best at fighting and creating, and also attributing beautiful phrases about themselves to famous foreigners "

          According to my G.Yu. Although Caesar ruled in Rome, he did not even suspect the existence of Russia, because it did not exist yet. bully
        3. vova1973
          vova1973 22 November 2022 16: 28
          -4
          when Gaius Julius Caesar was about the Russians, as a nation, it was not heard. read 6th grade history
        4. ch28k38
          ch28k38 22 November 2022 21: 31
          -3
          Russians in the time of Caesar? Where is this nonsense from?
      2. Shark Lover
        Shark Lover 22 November 2022 08: 44
        -5
        They have no motivation, they have putin all of them, everything is gone and on. They need victories, victories every day, tons of corpses, columns of prisoners. But !!! At the same time, I am not at that age for mobilization, my relatives are too, but if they trample, I will go))). I understood your message, you were immediately answered with another message))). Do not get involved, "generals" and "marshals" have been sitting here for a long time, and as I already understood from them, it was the generals who lost this war. All leaked, but how to read them themselves?)))
  5. yuriy55
    yuriy55 22 November 2022 06: 04
    +22
    I do not know what sources and examples served the author to describe the three variants of a defeatist position for Russia.
    The only and true outcome of the NWO (CTO, armed opposition to Russia against the West) is the complete denazification and demilitarization of Ukraine. In a short version - the destruction of the country of Anti-Russia. What does this mean for Russia itself? Complete and unconditional surrender of the Zelensky regime. Determination of the new borders of Russia and the inclusion in its composition of primordially Russian territories given to Ukraine in Soviet times. The decision of the fate of the western regions, which primordially hate everything Russian. Border demarcation.
    In ANY case, a favorable outcome for Russia cannot involve any agreements with the Nazi regime or agreements with the West. This should be voiced and acknowledged by officials of the Russian government. Not the Peskovs or Konashenkovs, but the president himself. It was he who set the goal of the NWO as denazification and demilitarization.
    One more point:
    The military and financial assistance of the West is not unlimited, and the potential of Russia cannot be compared with the Ukrainian one.

    Then the question arises by itself: “Why does Russia neglect mutual cooperation and assistance from countries that constantly vote in the UN in favor of Russia?” I mean Iran, North Korea ... Iran has already shown the possibility of producing missiles and UAVs in a separately isolated country that does not have either the resources or energy to the same extent as the Russian Federation. Why do our home-grown capitalists turn up their noses at Iranian production? There are a lot of workers in the DPRK, and the position of the country's leader is, if not friendly towards Moscow, then certainly not tolerant towards Washington.
    With both countries, our state has a common border. In North Korea, in general, there is a railway connection.
    Why is Russia so persistently beating, like a fish on a trolleybus, to ensure the safety of grain transportation to Africa. As far as I know, all the negativity on the Black Continent was created by the West ... It is they who are responsible for the migration of the African population to Europe.
    Why should we erect insurmountable barriers for ourselves when we can resolve a number of issues with Eun, especially since, as they say in Washington, he is a pretty tough guy. Maybe Russian grain and hydrocarbons will contribute to North Korean assistance to the state at war against the West, even if the allies, according to various nominal abbreviations, do not moo, do not calve, but only pout their lips and demand "princely affection."
    You need to be more careful guys. The general goals were drawn for us, let's look into the specific details and find out how the second most powerful Armed Forces turned into an object of mockery and ridicule.
    While there is still an opportunity to gather in the Kremlin, specify promising changes in military doctrine so that the West does not hope that it has intimidated the Russians with a retaliatory nuclear strike, and even more so with a preventive one. The arms are short. If Washington cares about the European economy and the collapsing way of life of the allies, then substitute its own the back butt under the Russian “Sarmatians” and “Vanguards” for “their Brussels homeland” or the endless steppes and expanses of Ukraine, he definitely will not.
    But Russia should not wave its nuclear club left and right, but it must warn ... And in a specific situation, it must be ready to use it against a separately showing off hyena out of shit ... Yes, gentlemen! But only in a specific situation ... Not for this, Comrade Beria rotted scientists and designers in institutes and “sharashkas”, so that we would silently watch how the “fifth column” revels in the lack of will of power, which has chosen places to live OUTSIDE RUSSIA ...
    hi
    1. Mikhail Sidorov
      Mikhail Sidorov 22 November 2022 06: 19
      -7
      But Russia should not wave its nuclear club left and right, but it is obliged to warn ... And in a specific situation, it should be ready to use it against a separately showing off hyena outgoing shit ... Yes. gentlemen! In a specific situation ... not for this, Comrade Beria rotted scientists and designers in institutes and "sharashkas" ...

      Here I absolutely agree. I have been writing about this since March. Nuclear weapons are weapons and our grandfathers did not create them so that their grandchildren would die on the battlefields from "ordinary" weapons. There is an advantage to take advantage of. But ... Only after a warning and negotiations through all channels of communication. And before that, blow up a "precautionary" nuclear warhead in the ocean. Pay attention to how the West drischut when it comes to nuclear weapons. The bastards are afraid...
      1. gsev
        gsev 22 November 2022 18: 35
        +2
        Quote: Mikhail Sidorov
        But ... Only after a warning and negotiations through all channels of communication. And before that, blow up a "precautionary" nuclear warhead in the ocean.

        The effect will be only with a massive nuclear strike. Ukraine will withstand 10 nuclear explosions on its territory. But 50 at a time can bring her to life. Energy strikes are effective if they are massive and constant. 100 arrivals at transformers simply force Ukrainians to switch switches, turn off lines in which short circuits have occurred and calmly change damaged transformers in a week or a decade. Similarly, with three blows to Lvovka Rivne and Chernivtsi. 200 deaths from radiation sickness during the year and a drop in production by the same 000% as during the strike on the energy sector in the last month. But 5 special charges are capable of killing a million Ukrainians and destroying its industrial production. After 50, they are not afraid of threats from Russia, because for 1991 years they have not been properly implemented against Russia's opponents. It is worth remembering that the USSR lost the Afghan war and after that the West decided that Russian resilience had a limit.
        1. Alexander_Belov
          Alexander_Belov 22 November 2022 20: 59
          0
          Everything is correct. It makes sense to produce all these interesting toys and keep them ready if the leadership has the will. In this regard, Khrushchev had more balls. What's the point of having a nuclear umbrella and not knowing how to use it?
          We lost the war no matter what. Russian stamina has no limit, but Russian patience has a limit.
        2. stankow
          stankow 27 November 2022 18: 07
          0
          "quietly change damaged transformers in a week or a decade"
          But they are already gone, the spare transformers have run out. Expensive, voluminous and heavy product in short supply.
    2. Mikhail Sidorov
      Mikhail Sidorov 22 November 2022 06: 24
      +25
      Why does Russia neglect the mutual cooperation and assistance of countries that constantly vote in the UN in favor of Russia?” I mean Iran, North Korea...

      I think the answer is obvious to you as well. The current government wants to return to the situation as it was before the war. Travel to London, Paris, Brussels... And by open cooperation with Iran, the DPRK is afraid to "get dirty" so to speak. This is fi...
    3. bairat
      bairat 22 November 2022 06: 39
      +14
      By the way, yesterday there was information that South Korea would supply Ukraine with 20 shells of 155 mm caliber. So nothing is like this, I don’t understand what is stopping us from purchasing in the DPRK.
      1. smart fellow
        smart fellow 22 November 2022 09: 26
        +2
        yesterday it was reported that South Korea will supply Ukraine with 20 shells of 155 mm caliber

        The Republic of Korea delivered 100 000mm shells to Canada in July of this year at a price below the market price in exchange for those delivered to Ukraine. They also wrote about a deal to supply a Czech company with $155 billion worth of MANPADS and ammunition. With this money, you can buy 2,9 million 1mm shells and another $155 million will remain for MANPADS. The United States pays for the deal (which means they will sell it at cost), and the Czechs will give it to Ukraine for free. So with the shells of the enemy everything will be in order. According to Wikipedia, South Korea has 900 4000mm caliber guns, of which 155 are self-propelled guns.
        I don’t understand what is stopping us from purchasing in the DPRK

        First, UN sanctions.
        Secondly, it is not known whether the DPRK will agree to supply arms to Russia. The DPRK has neutral-friendly relations with Russia. But the DPRK has neutral-friendly relations with many European countries, for example, with Poland.
        The Ukrainians, due to their stupidity, somehow decided to lick the United States and made some statements against the DPRK. The Koreans explained the recognition of the LPR / DPR with this rudeness on the part of Ukraine.
        1. Rakitin
          Rakitin 22 November 2022 22: 33
          +1
          At the peak of the fighting in July 2022, 100 shells of 000+ mm caliber were used up by the RF Armed Forces in 152 hours; enough for 48 weeks. Not to say that it is strong ice. In addition, NATO unification plays a cruel joke with Svidomo. The shells are 7 mm caliber, but their range is huge and not every 2 mm cannon can be loaded with any 155 mm shell. But who will bother with this on the Ruin? They shove everything they can shove. As a result, the trunks of the Polish Crabs come off, the German PzH155 tightly wedged, etc. And all because the American projectile of the 155s (namely, these were supplied to the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the summer), the Pakistani 2000 onwards. (mass-supplied now) and Korean 1950 MY. (from future deliveries) if anything unites, then only the caliber.
          1. smart fellow
            smart fellow 23 November 2022 08: 42
            +1
            in ukrov, the intensity of fire is on average 7 times lower - i.e. enough for 2 weeks.

            For 8 months they were supplied with about 900 thousand shells, 1 million will be enough for 6-7 months. And then they will order more from South Korea.
            As a result, the trunks of the Polish Crabs come off

            One such case is known and the possible reason is low manufacturability - the barrels are made in Poland. They can order trunks in South Korea.
            https://rg.ru/2022/10/03/polskoj-sau-krab-otorvalo-stvol-na-ukraine.html
            German PzH2000 tightly wedges

            German self-propelled guns are superior in their characteristics (range, rate of fire) to other self-propelled guns and therefore are used more actively and wear out faster. In Lithuania, the German concern opened a branch and they are already being repaired there.
            pakistani 2020 onwards (mass-supplied now)

            Here you are misleading, Pakistan supplies 122mm shells
            https://riafan.ru/23621768-poyavilis_dokazatel_stva_voennoi_pomoschi_pakistana_ukrainskoi_armii
      2. gsev
        gsev 22 November 2022 19: 07
        +1
        Quote: bairat
        So nothing is like this, I don’t understand what is stopping us from purchasing in the DPRK.

        About a week ago, our embassy in Pyongyang announced that it was exploring the possibility of cooperation with the DPRK, but warned the leadership of this country that it would strictly comply with all US sanctions imposed on this country. Translated from the diplomatic, this is a statement that Russia is not independent as a partner in mutually beneficial cooperation and all deliveries to and from the DPRK require coordination with the United States. Washington promptly stated that it was against the supply of weapons, ammunition, food and footwear from the DPRK to Russia and was ready to take actions to disrupt them. So why should the DPRK once again act against the United States. For example, the Afghan Taliban achieved duty-free trade with Russia for Afghanistan and immediately voted for the withdrawal of our 300 billion in favor of NATO. Now this country, unlike the DPRK, also has the opportunity to trade profitably with Russia, it has begun deliveries of humanitarian aid from the West, and it is possible that several hundred million dollars will be transferred from Nabiullina's gift to the West. And the DPRK, which recognized the LNR and the DNR and voted against the confiscation of 300 billion, receives teachings from the United States and real sanctions-punishment from Russia. According to Kennan's precepts, it is necessary to conduct tough negotiations with Russia, not to give her concessions and to demand from her the fulfillment of all her demands without making promises until all the demands are fulfilled. And after Kennan, the idea arose immediately after Russia fulfilled the conditions for its partners to put forward new demands and conditions for it. Now this is a success and is being implemented by both the Afghan Taliban and the US State Department. Only the DPRK still hopes that more can be achieved from Russia with carrots and Eastern respect than by threatening to supply weapons and ammunition to Ukraine.
    4. Alexander Antonov_2
      Alexander Antonov_2 22 November 2022 09: 41
      -3
      Africa has a lot of minerals, but North Korea has nothing.
      1. smart fellow
        smart fellow 22 November 2022 12: 36
        +6
        About 20 years ago, the South Koreans were allowed to assess the natural resources of the DPRK in order to organize joint development. They valued them at $6 trillion. at those prices.
        1. Alexander Antonov_2
          Alexander Antonov_2 22 November 2022 12: 58
          +2
          North Korea is China's "backyard" anyway
          1. smart fellow
            smart fellow 22 November 2022 14: 28
            0
            What it means in any case, this is the "backyard" of China?
      2. stankow
        stankow 27 November 2022 18: 12
        0
        Well, there is still a little bit of anthracite in the DPRK.
        .........
    5. Stirbjorn
      Stirbjorn 22 November 2022 10: 21
      0
      Quote: yuriy55
      .And in a specific situation, you should be ready to apply it in relation to a separately showing off hyena outgoing shit ...
      yeah, even comrade Xi has already clearly said that this is unacceptable. Then for sure - back to the stone age! And there is no need to drag Beria, then the level of leaders was an order of magnitude higher, no one was going to smack nuclear weapons right and left. Such failures, as with Ukraine, simply could not be.
    6. Zyablicev43
      Zyablicev43 22 November 2022 10: 23
      +2
      Eun is waiting. He has a very great desire to scratch his fists about the faces of those who spread rot to his grandfather, his dad, his
      country. He himself is not strong enough, but Comrade Kim will obviously not meet resistance for the "volunteers" to get involved in the conflict. And these are very motivated "volunteers", very.
    7. Postcode
      Postcode 22 November 2022 10: 47
      +11
      The Russian Federation does not have such opportunities, primarily financial ones, to destroy the state of Ukraine. The volume of financial and military assistance only from the United States has already exceeded the annual military budget of the Russian Federation. It was a strategic miscalculation that there was no calculation for such colossal assistance from the entire West. In fact, the Russian Federation will feel the real consequences of the approaching crisis only next year. Moreover, military success in the Ukrainian theater of operations alone will not remove sanctions and all other problems. The best solution to this problem may be successful databases in the winter campaign, the maximum approach of the line of contact to the Dnieper line and forcing the West to start peace negotiations. If someone is trying to talk about reaching the Polish border, he must understand that 300 mobilization will not solve the problem, it is necessary to talk about at least 000 - 2.5 million armies. We don't have the money for this, and we don't expect it to in the near future.
      1. EvilCommunist
        EvilCommunist 22 November 2022 12: 01
        +3
        I’ll tell you more, there won’t be so many who want it, but Pinochet will appear
        1. Postcode
          Postcode 22 November 2022 12: 05
          +3
          Why is Pinochet here? They will announce a general mobilization, for this, no one is needed.
        2. dementor873
          dementor873 22 November 2022 15: 25
          +2
          And the idea doesn't seem so wild anymore.
      2. yuriy55
        yuriy55 22 November 2022 12: 46
        +10
        Quote from Cap
        The Russian Federation does not have such opportunities, first of all, financialto destroy the state of Ukraine.

        The Russian Federation has a lot of opportunities in any organized business. Russia has no volitional political leadership!!! The country is ruled by a team of capitalist ministers and a shadow oligarchy, which every time tells our leaders what they should do and whom they should protect.
        To destroy Ukraine, it is enough to start by blocking the gas pipe.
        Block the country's access to the Black Sea. Destroy the road infrastructure connecting Ukraine with Western Europe. Introduce a complete "blackout" in the country. Systematically launch missile strikes at the locations of Zelensky's structures. Cut off the supply of resources and trade with countries that provide military and financial support to the regime.
        Russia is not obliged to follow anyone's instructions other than those that contribute to the achievement of success in the NWO.
        There is no other way to win.
        If the Russian authorities do not want this, then it is time to implement all the recommendations of the black minister from the United States and change the tricolor to a white flag.
        You can not stop the dog's tail in pieces. And sewing these pieces back is a mockery.
        If we continue like this, we may lose the right to hold Victory parades on Red Square, because opponents are taking part in the war against us, to whom our intelligence and humanism are represented as weakness and impotence.
        Russia has no right to lose under any pretext. HAS NO RIGHT!!!
        1. Foul skeptic
          Foul skeptic 22 November 2022 12: 54
          -1
          Block the country's access to the Black Sea.

          How so?
          Destroy the road infrastructure connecting Ukraine with Western Europe.

          How so?
          Systematically launch missile strikes at the locations of Zelensky's structures.

          What will it give besides wasting missiles? And what are "Zelensky's structures"?
          Introduce a complete "blackout" in the country.

          This will not be done, not only because winter is on the nose, but also because it is a few of the levers for diplomacy hidden from the public.
      3. gsev
        gsev 22 November 2022 19: 21
        +2
        Quote from Cap
        In fact, the Russian Federation will feel the real consequences of the approaching crisis only next year.

        I was assured that the crisis would come in June 2022. There is nothing like it. You just need to calmly demolish the energy system of Ukraine, stop deliveries of energy carriers to the West and uranium to nuclear power plants built with the help of the USSR in Europe. Establish technical cooperation with Iran, North Korea, China.. The West not only holds back Russia, but also South Korea, Turkey, India, Latin America. Thanks to Russia, Erdogan and Iran got the opportunity to strangle the Kurdish allies of the United States in the Middle East. So the West also bears colossal troubles from the continuation of the confrontation in Ukraine.
    8. MBRSS
      MBRSS 22 November 2022 17: 34
      -1
      Quote: yuriy55
      In ANY case, a favorable outcome for Russia cannot imply any agreements with nazi mode...

      Then there will be an attempt to organize a palace coup and declare the new regime non-Nazi (will be served as a successful denazification), if successful, an agreement.
      If you do not flatter yourself with completely groundless illusions, then the liberation of Donbass and the return of Kherson can be considered a victory. Further, the conclusion of a truce for twenty years. If Ukraine really wants to join the EU and NATO, it will have to cede the territory officially. In any case, we will border on NATO. Nervous urya-patriots please calm down. :)
  6. Mikhail Sidorov
    Mikhail Sidorov 22 November 2022 06: 11
    -4
    Our Russian authorities clearly want negotiations. But it is also obvious that no one will give up Kherson, Luhansk, Donetsk, Zaporozhye. They will not go to violate the constitution.
    But still, it won't be enough. Leaving this Nazi sub-state unfinished would be a huge mistake.
    1. yuriy55
      yuriy55 22 November 2022 06: 21
      +9
      Quote: Mikhail Sidorov
      Our Russian authorities clearly want negotiations.

      It remains to be determined whose interests this government lobbies and protects, and whether it really expresses the aspirations and hopes of the true source of power - the people, and not the "supposedly people's" deputies recruited in the State Duma. For they have the same relation to the people as their salaries to the subsistence level and the minimum wage. They see and hear no one but themselves. There was one deputy there, whom everyone listened to, but died ...
    2. HaByxoDaBHocep
      HaByxoDaBHocep 22 November 2022 06: 39
      +16
      So they already violated the constitution, they gave Kherson
      1. Stirbjorn
        Stirbjorn 22 November 2022 10: 22
        +1
        Quote: HaByxoDaBHocep
        So they already violated the constitution, they gave Kherson

        could it be a robot? lol
    3. leks
      leks 22 November 2022 06: 43
      +9
      Is this a typo about Kherson?
      The city, as it were, has already been given away and will hardly be taken back. We will find out about Zaporozhye in the near future in a month or two.
    4. Eule
      Eule 22 November 2022 07: 49
      -2
      Quote: Mikhail Sidorov
      the authorities clearly want negotiations

      Which may be about the German-Russian border along the Dnieper.
      Let me explain - until 2014, Ukraine never submitted a document on the demarcation of the border to the UN. That is, according to the UN rules, Ukraine does not have a state border. Therefore, the treaty "On the inviolability of post-war borders in Europe" does not apply to it. So any, the most strange events are possible.
      1. solar
        solar 22 November 2022 10: 14
        +3
        Let me explain - until 2014, Ukraine never submitted a document on the demarcation of the border to the UN. That is, according to the UN rules, Ukraine does not have a state border.

        I don’t know who came up with this outright nonsense, but it is so ridiculous and flickers so often that it’s already just fed up.
    5. N3onMiami
      N3onMiami 22 November 2022 09: 35
      +8
      "They won't go to violate the constitution"
      Hahahahahaha, I can't.
      Are you seriously? If necessary, they will make amendments, rewrite them, and the necessary votes will be quickly gathered.
    6. MBRSS
      MBRSS 22 November 2022 17: 50
      -2
      Leaving this Nazi sub-state unfinished would be a huge mistake.

      My fifth point feels that some huge mistake on our part is inevitable. It will take 10-15 years to revive the industry, and it is extremely difficult to do this in the conditions of an exhausting war. Yes, even with such and such leadership.
  7. parusnik
    parusnik 22 November 2022 06: 23
    +19
    This forecast was given by Arkady Gaidar in "The Tale of Malchish-Kibalchish":
    “Hey, get up!” he shouted for the last time.
    - And there are shells, but the arrows are beaten. And there are rifles, but there are few fighters. ... - Treason! shouted Malchish-Kibalchish. - Treason! - shouted all his faithful boys. But then, because of the smoke and fire, a bourgeois force swooped in, and twisted and grabbed Malchish-Kibalchish. They chained the Malchish in heavy chains. "(c)
    1. Mikhail Sidorov
      Mikhail Sidorov 22 November 2022 06: 29
      -16
      Treason! shouted Malchish-Kibalchish. - Treason! - shouted all his faithful boys

      In vain you are so ... Let them be greedy, let them be stupid, let them be cretins ... It is certainly necessary to change ... With a filthy broom ... But only after the victory. All this is dangerous now. Overthrow Russia...
      1. parusnik
        parusnik 22 November 2022 06: 34
        +19
        Uh-huh ... Who breaks through for treason, and who for a snack! - said Malchish Plokhish stuffing cookies into his mouth.
      2. N3onMiami
        N3onMiami 22 November 2022 09: 38
        +3
        Do you know what kind of PR they will broadcast from all the irons after the victory? Once again, they will powder the brains of the people and will continue to sit, not being afraid for their fifth points.
    2. solar
      solar 22 November 2022 10: 16
      +5
      But then, because of the smoke and fire, a bourgeois force swooped in

      and in those days there were already problems with intelligence, the enemy suddenly appears.
    3. yuriy55
      yuriy55 22 November 2022 12: 54
      +5
      Quote: parusnik
      This forecast was given by Arkady Gaidar in "The Tale of Malchish-Kibalchish":

      Gaidar gave a forecast, but due to a bad habit of smoking, you have problems with memory (or vision):
      And Malchish-Kibalchish died...
      But... did you guys see the storm? Just like the thunders, the military guns rumbled. Just like lightning, fiery explosions flashed. Just like the winds, cavalry detachments burst in, and just like clouds, red banners swept through. This is how the Red Army advanced.
      Have you seen torrential thunderstorms in a dry and hot summer? Just as the streams, running down from the dusty mountains, merged into turbulent, foamy streams, just at the first rumble of war, uprisings began to boil in the Mountain bourgeoisie, and thousands of angry voices responded from the Plain Kingdom, and from the Snow Kingdom, and from the Sultry State .
      And the broken Chief Bourgeois fled in fear, loudly cursing this country with its amazing people, with its invincible army and with its unsolved Military Secret.

      There is an army in Russia, it remains to get the Red Banners somewhere ...
      1. parusnik
        parusnik 22 November 2022 17: 20
        -2
        Why did they get it ... Only the Red Army, no. It won’t come, it’s to the rescue ...
  8. leks
    leks 22 November 2022 06: 58
    +3
    Quote: ASAD
    Personally, I am interested in the author’s conclusion from the article that Western experts were confident in the rapid defeat of Ukraine, such as they are not far off. And what, ours were sure of the opposite !? Does the author think the quality of our analytics is excellent? After yesterday's article by Skomorokhov, this opus, to put it mildly, Croce, the respected members of the forum understood.

    Everyone was sure of it. Everyone believed that the NWO had been planned from start to finish. Even the most stubborn skeptics believed that the days of the Kyiv regime were numbered!

    But as it turned out, "it was smooth on paper, but they forgot about the ravines, and walk along them"
    As a result, everything that was paid for with the great blood of the soldiers of Russia was fucked up from above.
    I don’t remember where I read it, either on VO, or in a telegram.
    But in the text something like this is not verbatim, the text could not be found.
    "The analytical intelligence department worked perfectly!
    I put everything neatly on the shelves in the report, what, how and why it will be in the NWO and what to prepare for."
    But the senior management did not like this report, it was too pessimistic and the report was finalized to be more optimistic. This finalized report has already laid down on the table to the Supreme.
    1. Shark Lover
      Shark Lover 22 November 2022 08: 59
      -10
      Everyone was sure of it. Everyone believed that the NWO planned from and to
      Where is the data from? Did the General Staff report personally? Your thoughts, folded by watching military acceptance and other channels and programs? So they just show a show, they don’t fight. Emotionally? Yes, it was, right now we'll tear. They didn’t rush, they got punched in the face and left. Any decision is made on the basis of available information. In a war, the situation changes quickly, and in a World War, even faster. We went once with one task, we went far, but we went head-to-head with the adversary, it took about 20 minutes to change the first task, we retreated, there were losses, we calmed down a bit, we did everything right, but in a different way. If they had rested and hollowed out, as the plan was originally, everyone would have died heroically (maybe someone was taken prisoner).
      If you are just throwing out emotions here, it's another matter, BUT. It’s interesting, in the Second World War, everyone present here for such phrases would have been exiled long ago, at best, to cut logs for dugouts))
      1. leks
        leks 22 November 2022 12: 25
        +7
        Everyone was sure of it. Everyone believed that the NWO planned from and to
        Where is the data from? Did the General Staff report personally?
        Indicate references to the MO GS, in my text!? How did you drag the General Staff here and why, or did you decide to think it out for me?
        So I wrote an answer-comments to a comrade ASAD-we read carefully!
        If you're just throwing out emotions here, it's another matter.
        And what did you think, everyone writes comments here after consultation and examination of documents in the Ministry of Defense of the General Staff. This is a section of analytics and opinions from local authors based on the information that is available in the media. If you need, without emotions, then you are in the section of history and weapons! Watch Konashenkov in the morning, he tells fairy tales from the Moscow Region without emotion.
        It’s interesting, in the Second World War, everyone present here for such phrases would have been exiled long ago, at best, to cut logs for dugouts))
        As I understand it, you are from a cohort of alternatives like, "what would happen if" The fact is that "History does not tolerate the subjunctive mood." Well, we don’t have the Second World War and not even a war, by the way, this word is now forbidden to be used in RosSmi, in relation to the NWO. Even during the Second World War, people splashed out their emotions and scolded the authorities, only there was no Internet so that they could leave comments.
        You ask the question "what would happen if" not to the local audience, but for example, ask a question to a mustachioed comrade, the mouthpiece of the Supreme, for such answers.
        "Change of leadership in Ukraine is not one of the goals of a military special operation." If you think that there is a war going on, and the local people still think so, then it turns out that in your opinion it is the same as I.V. Stalin during the Second World War would have declared that the goal of the Second World War is not to eliminate the Nazi regime in Germany!
        Ask the mouthpiece of the Ministry of Defense Konashenkov how he managed to shoot down more than 100 pieces in Ukraine, su 25, even if taking into account Europe, in any type of such aircraft there are no more than 60 pieces. In the reports of the Ministry of Defense with all the Ukrainian equipment, this is so! in the second third circle they destroy.
        1. Shark Lover
          Shark Lover 23 November 2022 01: 34
          -1
          I read your nonsense, I see one thing, some excuses, reservations, references)))). Analytics????????? Ask the mouthpiece MO Konashenkov. What is this for?
          How did you drag the General Staff here and why, or did you decide to think it out for me?
          Why are you thinking for me above what to do and to whom to ask questions?)))))
          What is here, for you personally, ANALYTICS? You lifted my spirits, I laugh, it's wonderful in the morning. Have you ever communicated with analysts, at least just with intelligence officers who extract information from open sources?
          1. leks
            leks 23 November 2022 06: 16
            0
            I read your nonsense, I see one thing, some excuses, reservations, references)))).

            You better re-read your nonsense.
            Ask the mouthpiece MO Konashenkov. What is this for?
            this means that if you want analytics and reports without emotion, then listen to Konashenkov.
            How did you drag the General Staff here and why, or did you decide to think it out for me?
            Why are you thinking for me above what to do and to whom to ask questions?)))))
            that is, you allowed yourself to think for me, and then attributed to me that I thought of it for you and at the same time answers the question with a question.
            What is here, for you personally, ANALYTICS?
            for people like you fool where did you see and in what place did I write that I write analytics!?
            You lifted my spirits, I laugh, it's wonderful in the morning.
            laughter for no reason, a sign of a fool!
            Have you ever communicated with analysts, at least just with intelligence officers who extract information from open sources?

            you think fool , what are you writing? Although you hardly think because fool at the same time in the morning filled his eyes.
            I'm talking about Foma, he's nonsense about Yeryoma!
            1. Shark Lover
              Shark Lover 23 November 2022 07: 59
              -1
              I didn’t even read your writings, hero-analyst, leave me alone, I’m at work, take the sofa))))
              1. leks
                leks 23 November 2022 08: 13
                0
                Quote: Shark Lover
                I didn’t even read your writings, hero-analyst, leave me alone, I’m at work, take the sofa))))

                I don’t care where you are and what you are doing, but most likely I flooded my eyes again in the morning.
                In general, your drain is counted. What is the meaning of your nonsense above, you began to write to me, so that in the end it merges. Just the worst freak from the latrine fool
                1. Shark Lover
                  Shark Lover 23 November 2022 08: 40
                  -1
                  Listen, analyst hero, let me explain something to you. Your writing, the first, this morning is just the last thing I read from the comments. Those. your cheek on the pillow has absolutely nothing to do with it, it’s just that the delirium of the heroes-analysts has loomed into a general trend, which is called whining, moved in, enemies are everywhere and so on. I'm not specifically about you, read above about the general mood here on the site on some pages. Look, on your next door, guys with epaulettes of foremen and simple, ordinary, smart ones are well applied by trikoshny generals. Strategists and analysts who do not see even a hundredth of the info generally puff out their cheeks and write things that are already ridiculous. If this is your opinion, then it’s a sin for you to pay at all. Wash your face)))). Site trend; a little on someone's cheek at the pillow you press, First-eyes flooded in the morning. Second-throw the link and further down the list. Read your writings, you will find everything there. You are here, inmates, fighting for the plus signs, God forbid they put a minus, right away, who, what, flooded their eyes)))))).
                  Regarding the general trend, he omniscient, everything is gone, everything is bad. There is such a film, Brother, Brother2 (do not be surprised, look, not only please yourself with serials)))))) There the main character said (not verbatim) When a country is at war, work only for Victory, then we will figure out who is wrong and where What did you do. Look, get your ass off your chair, good movie)))
                  And here, merged, is another trend of generals and inmates. Come on, rub your cheek brother! And for me, to your joy, it's time to fill your eyes)))))))))
                  1. leks
                    leks 23 November 2022 10: 12
                    0
                    Oh, how the back seat burned, the whole composition gurgled from where it merged!
                    Your writing, the first, this morning is just the last thing I read from the comments.
                    that is, in the end you read, but he pretended fool what you don't read.
                    I'm not specifically about you, read above
                    that is, I decided to move out again so that it turns out not specifically about you, but about everyone! Oh well.
                    it’s just that the nonsense of the heroes-analysts has loomed into a general trend called whining, evicted, enemies everywhere and so on.
                    again 25, once again the question is where did you see analysts here in the comments from the local people, are you imagining something?
                    There, on the next one you, trikoshny generals
                    Wipe your eyes and look carefully at your shoulder straps.
                    You are here, inmates, fighting for plus signs, God forbid minus
                    again a fantasy from you. me on your + - in general in parallel. I would like to become a local marshal
                    14-15 years old.
                    loomed in a general trend, which is called whining.
                    you do the same in your comments, read them and understand that you are whining and whining in the same way, only in the other direction. That is, you experience the same emotions as other forum participants.
                    Site trend; a little on someone's cheek at the pillow you press, First-eyes flooded in the morning. Second-throw the link and further down the list.

                    We carefully read your comments and come to the conclusion that you are either thumping, or not friends with your head, or the same couch critic-analyst, who, if asked to give a link, simply merges.
                    Regarding the general trend, he omniscient, everything is gone, everything is bad. There is such a film, Brother, Brother2 (do not be surprised, look, not only please yourself with serials)))))) There the main character said (not verbatim) When a country is at war, work only for Victory, then we will figure out who is wrong and where What did you do. Look, get your ass off your chair, good movie)))

                    Well, unlike you, I have watched both of these films many times and very carefully. But you were watching these films in the back seat, or on a blue melon.
                    Because the hero of this film, Danila Bogrov, did not say such words in the film.
                    But Sergei Bodrov said these words in an interview.
                    "In time of war, one should not speak ill of one's own. Never. Even if they are wrong. Even if your country is wrong in time of war, you must not speak ill of it. It is a very old, simple and primitive principle, but it is true. When the war is not threatens when the war is over - then yes, you can say: this was not so, and it was not so. Let's try to prevent this from happening in the future .. "
                    The question arises for you, where did you see the trends, that the commentators and authors of the articles on the site say that our country is wrong, where did you see that our soldiers are being poured mud here? Watered in the comments, corrupt generals from the Moscow Region for lies, from the Moscow Region, for corrupt politics and for agreements from the military-political leadership of the country, or do you consider them to be your own about which it is either good or nothing. The people in their right to speak out within the law and without violating the rules of the site, as they want to splash out their emotions either in the comments or in the article. Moreover, the majority here have sent and are sending a decent amount of help in money and in things since the age of 14.
    2. yuriy55
      yuriy55 22 November 2022 13: 39
      +1
      Quote: leks
      This finalized report has already laid down on the table to the Supreme.

      And as a strategist with vast experience, he analyzed everything and made the right decision ... I even find it difficult to remember his “main” victories ... Maybe when he explained why the Kursk sank? Or, when he told Karaulov how he defended the KGB archives in Dresden with his comrades, sharing cartridges with them and leaving himself 12 pieces in a pistol clip (according to the number of stairs that separated him from the brutal crowd):

      According to other sources, it went like this:
      On December 5, 1989, an angry mob storms the district office of the Stasi in Dresden. Right around the corner is the KGB building. It also comes into the view of the demonstrators. The situation is heating up. As an officer on duty, Putin is forced to stand at the door to block the way for the protesters. He needs advice and support. First, he calls Berlin, but no one can help him there. Then he contacts the Soviet Union and asks the Chekists to protect the army units. However, the duty officer replies that such interference is impossible without Moscow's permission, and utters two words that are deeply embedded in Putin's memory: "Moscow is silent." Putin sets himself and his comrades to the fact that they will have to defend themselves. However, everything ends peacefully. Putin is shocked.

      Judging by the "command" voice and manner of giving orders (orders), there could be another option (after which the idea comes to get a taxi driver - but not fate):
      He worked quietly, peacefully in the trade representative's canteen... The most brutal atrocity that I had to deal with was cutting amateur sausage. And suddenly - here you go! Lions!... Tigers!... Angry mob... Everything ends peacefully...
  9. Arslan17
    Arslan17 22 November 2022 07: 18
    -18
    Just think a little, count!
    The West wanted to hang all of Ukraine with a heavy load on Russia and crush it with sanctions. To feed the tear of the disloyal population, which will arrange sabotage and describe horrors... naturally, he wanted to quickly hang it on us. And the protracted SVO was not included in their calculations. Now they are forced to spend a lot of resources to support Ukraine, and not vice versa.
    Everything is done correctly, because. the goal is global.
    1. skeptick2
      skeptick2 22 November 2022 10: 13
      +6
      Quote: Arslan17
      Just think a little, count!
      The West wanted to hang all of Ukraine with a heavy load on Russia and crush it with sanctions. To feed the tear of the disloyal population, which will arrange sabotage and describe horrors... naturally, he wanted to quickly hang it on us. And the protracted SVO was not included in their calculations. Now they are forced to spend a lot of resources to support Ukraine, and not vice versa.
      Everything is done correctly, because. the goal is global.

      Have you personally tried to think a little and calculate?
      The protracted NWO, therefore, in your opinion, was not included in the calculations of the West? But does this mean that such a state of affairs was and is included in Russia's calculations?
      Are they now forced to spend a bunch of resources?
      But Russia does not do this? Russia does not spend a lot of resources? A bunch of weapons, ammunition? Russia does not receive one package of sanctions after another? Are not Russian soldiers daily die on the battlefield? Isn't the Russian economy slipping into recession due to the long-term NWO? Isn't it, this economy, instead of functioning normally, is forced to be transferred to a military footing (and this transfer, oh, how will come back to haunt us in the future!)?
      Or maybe the industrial, military and financial potential of Russia is comparable to the West? These unfortunate 2% of Russian GDP from the world?
      So who benefits from prolonging the war? The answer is unequivocal - only to the West. The Western plan "anaconda" has worked flawlessly, Russia is subject to planned slow economic strangulation. And the longer this war lasts, the more chances the West will have to win it. In every sense and respect.
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      2. Topol1732
        Topol1732 22 November 2022 19: 14
        0
        Quote from: skeptick2
        Russia does not spend a lot of resources? A bunch of weapons, ammunition? Russia does not receive one package of sanctions after another? Aren't Russian soldiers dying daily on the battlefield? Isn't the Russian economy slipping into recession due to the long-term NWO?

        So, what is the meaning of all these events?
        1. Shark Lover
          Shark Lover 23 November 2022 01: 36
          -1
          Give a reason to "analysts" at VO to find the right solution)))) Vaughn "leks" anneals me, intimidates me with links)))
    2. yuriy55
      yuriy55 22 November 2022 13: 44
      0
      Quote: Arslan17
      The West wanted to hang all of Ukraine with a heavy load on Russia and crush it with sanctions.

      What the West wanted, it did. True, Russia has not yet wanted to burden itself with a kettlebell on its legs and neck in the form of Ukraine ... Moreover, there is no desire either to restore the wreckage, not to keep it on its neck ... Although atavism in the form of sponsorship with gas and other resources is still present. ..
    3. PavelT
      PavelT 23 November 2022 01: 06
      0
      No, dear. NATO's goal is to draw Russia into an endless war with Ukraine, for 10-15 years, as it was in the Balkans. They will slow down the conflict from time to time, with all sorts of Minsk-3, -3 ... -25, promising to lift sanctions on grain, fertilizers, oil, gas, timber ... Then they will stir up again without fulfilling promises and pushing Ukraine to violate the agreement. Long and tedious, it is also beneficial for them that Russians and Ukrainians kill each other.
  10. Stas157
    Stas157 22 November 2022 07: 23
    +7
    I would like to know if our General Staff has the key to victory? Such a nail puller for opening up a land defense, a hammer for knocking Bandera out of fortified areas?

    This could well be the establishment of air supremacy. Or cutting communications, hitting bridges, disrupting logistics...
    How do they plan to win?
    They no longer remember about grinding and a fiery shaft after the Kharkov regrouping ... But there must be at least something! Otherwise, why start?

    But it looks like it doesn't. And it doesn't seem to be expected. Because if our General Staff had the key to victory, then the initiative would have long been on our side.
    1. kor1vet1974
      kor1vet1974 22 November 2022 07: 51
      +9
      does our General Staff have the key to victory?
      There is, but they lost it, they are looking for it.
      1. cmax
        cmax 22 November 2022 18: 27
        +2
        Quote: kor1vet1974
        does our General Staff have the key to victory?
        There is, but they lost it, they are looking for it.

        I agree, 9999 buckets and the Golden Key will be ours. ( The Adventures of Pinocchio).
      2. Shark Lover
        Shark Lover 23 November 2022 01: 37
        -1
        So you find. What is the problem? Go there, throw everyone out, but give out commands, division to the left, division to the right)))))
  11. kor1vet1974
    kor1vet1974 22 November 2022 07: 58
    +6
    Hmm .. strange, this portal discusses forecasts, either of British intelligence, or of the American media, but what do Russian analysts say, not Solovyov and Co., but others? Or do they have confusion in their heads, they themselves can not understand anything?
    1. N3onMiami
      N3onMiami 22 November 2022 09: 40
      +11
      Solovyov is more worried about how to change shoes correctly and imperceptibly, once again.
      1. Drotro
        Drotro 22 November 2022 09: 57
        0
        Note that even in our more independent media (such as Business FM) there are more and more references to British intelligence data.
        But it is obvious that no one knows the full truth. Everyone collects it bit by bit for himself.
      2. Third district
        Third district 22 November 2022 11: 14
        +3
        Quote from N3onMiami
        Solovyov is more worried about how to change shoes correctly and imperceptibly, once again.

        Worried about the house on the lake. No wonder he constantly talks about conversations with Italian journalists. Trying not to lose touch with them.
      3. yuriy55
        yuriy55 22 November 2022 13: 58
        +3
        Quote from N3onMiami
        Solovyov is more concerned about

        Often works as a jester, portraying a mix of Hitler and Scholz...
  12. ximkim
    ximkim 22 November 2022 07: 59
    0
    Quote: Mikhail Sidorov
    Our Russian authorities clearly want negotiations. But it is also obvious that no one will give up Kherson, Luhansk, Donetsk, Zaporozhye. They will not go to violate the constitution.
    But still, it won't be enough. Leaving this Nazi sub-state unfinished would be a huge mistake.

    What if the constitution is changed urgently?
  13. alexey_444
    alexey_444 22 November 2022 07: 59
    -18
    Everyone wanted a quick victory for us, we would start supporting the Hohland, the West would nightmare our rears at low cost (javelins) (hello Girkin). After a while, a new Maidan and the withdrawal of troops from all of Ukraine. As in 14, Putin outwitted everyone, I am amazed at his foresight, or a quality mole in the white house. The West will not bless us with Ukraine. Freezing is beneficial to us at this stage, but we'll see. Afghanistan was also held to be thrown into our underbelly and abandoned, it is no coincidence that we let Turkey go there so that there is a counterweight to the Americans, the war in Kazakhstan is not beneficial for the Turks.
    1. Ingvar 72
      Ingvar 72 22 November 2022 08: 51
      +19
      Quote: alexey_444
      As in 14, Putin outwitted everyone

      Nonsense. So far, he has managed to outwit only the population of Russia.
      I'm wondering what moral qualities you need to have in order to present failures, betrayals and mediocrity as talented victories?
      1. alexey_444
        alexey_444 22 November 2022 09: 38
        -14
        So far, everything is doing right, or they wanted to get stuck in Ukraine in 14 with the igil in the Transcaucasus (after the fall of Syria). There are wishes and there is real life. You might think that we have a queue of honest prosecutors, measures, etc. costs. With the people that we have, Putin perfectly copes with his duties.
        1. Ingvar 72
          Ingvar 72 22 November 2022 09: 42
          +13
          Quote: alexey_444
          While doing everything right, or wanted to in 14 in Ukraine

          Again nonsense. In the 14th year, they were waiting for us on the territory of the whole of Novorossia. Plus, we had a legitimate president. And we are stuck today.
          Quote: alexey_444
          Putin perfectly copes with his duties.

          While he copes with the collapse of the country.
          1. alexey_444
            alexey_444 22 November 2022 12: 21
            -7
            About the fact that they were waiting for us at 14, did Girkin tell you such nonsense ?. What a baby talk. This ignorance of the situation leads to erroneous decisions. The fact that our propaganda does not allow other statements about Crimea does not mean that everyone there wanted to go to Russia. The majority chose prosperity, and in the rest of the outskirts they were waiting not for the Russian world, but for a freebie, they thought the West would give a rogue, it didn’t work out, so they begged for the remnants of the nationally oriented elite of our invasion in February, so that they could solve the problem. it’s time to grow up in the end.
            1. Ingvar 72
              Ingvar 72 22 November 2022 12: 32
              +8
              Quote: alexey_444
              About the fact that they were waiting for us at 14, did Girkin tell you such nonsense ?. What kind of baby talk

              You babble, and stereotyped. I personally saw the video of the rallies in Kharkov, Odessa, Mariupol. I also personally communicated with people from the Nikolaev and Odessa regions. We were expected. Burn in hell, who leaked the Russian spring, and the people who justify this drain.
              1. alexey_444
                alexey_444 22 November 2022 13: 05
                0
                Every revolution is worth something if it can defend itself. Lenin. Not only do you feel sorry for the people who came out (at best, they left leaving everything behind), but you must understand that it is not the people who rule, but the elite, but the elite with stolen money, as Putin said, mentally lives in the West. It is a miracle how our elite, which is not far removed from the Ukrainian one, is nationally oriented. There were guys from the Occupy Walt Street movement, they also cleared everyone out, some in the literal sense. Everywhere so, Wishlist are broken on reality.
            2. Vladimir100
              Vladimir100 22 November 2022 17: 29
              +2
              Waited. And a lot. Also, a significant part was ready to simply obey and not resist. the territory of the bussr lay open to the Russian troops.
              And in 2004 waited even longer and hoped to get weapons.
            3. MBRSS
              MBRSS 22 November 2022 18: 28
              +2
              About the fact that they were waiting for us at 14, did Girkin tell you such nonsense?

              In Kharkov, the people were seething, and the local leadership was confused. If they had then entered Kharkov, it would have cost little or no bloodshed.
      2. Belisarius
        Belisarius 22 November 2022 10: 09
        +8
        Quote: Ingvar 72
        I'm wondering what moral qualities you need to have in order to present failures, betrayals and mediocrity as talented victories?

        None. It's just a new temnik deflated by bots. Pay attention to the comments of Alexey 444 and Arslan 17, which are absolutely similar in meaning.
        And what a beautiful logic - the West treacherously wanted our complete victory and wanted to give us all of Ukraine. But we figured out this diabolical plan and decided to lose the war with the help of wise gestures of goodwill laughing
        Well, isn't it lovely! The only thing that pleases is that such insane temniks speak of the complete absence of the opportunity to sell defeat in the form of victory.
        1. alexey_444
          alexey_444 22 November 2022 12: 40
          -4
          Yes, from the “generals” next to the avatar, I don’t see adequate thoughts here, only sheer hype, we were betrayed, otherwise we would have reached Lviv with tank wedges. It’s like in 1905 they blamed everything on stupid generals, it was hard to admit that the feudal Japanese, with the help of the West, having rearmed, gave us such great snot. You need to know our people in order to understand why it happens exactly this way and not according to our wishes. Shakhnazarov correctly said, we do not need all of Ukraine, it will only ruin us. The whole history of our neighborhood speaks of only one thing: when we are strong, we seize Ukraine and multiply, when we are weak, all the filth comes to us from there. Unfortunately, we are not strong now, we need to understand this, and not hype.
      3. Third district
        Third district 22 November 2022 11: 24
        +3
        Quote: Ingvar 72
        I'm wondering what moral qualities you need to have in order to present failures, betrayals and mediocrity as talented victories?

        Moral principles in this case are not needed. People have such a job, protective - explanatory propaganda. And he does this work, each to the best of his ability. Some are almost smooth, while others are clumsy. Propagandist Dmitry Kulikov, as a prime example of this. When he speaks on TV programs, for this time I switch to another channel. Such loyalty and justification of absolutely all the actions of the authorities, you rarely hear from anyone else.
    2. skeptick2
      skeptick2 22 November 2022 10: 38
      +3
      Quote: alexey_444
      Freezing is beneficial for us at this stage, but we'll see

      For us it is possible.
      But who said that Ukraine will now go to this freeze? She has already given a clear and precise answer to such proposals - "Ukraine is not a freezer."
      1. alexey_444
        alexey_444 22 November 2022 12: 53
        -1
        Therefore, we turn off the light for them, and maneuvers on the fronts
        1. Topol1732
          Topol1732 22 November 2022 19: 18
          0
          Quote: alexey_444
          That's why we turn off the light

          What if we turn off the lights? Where will the army begin to maneuver?
          1. alexey_444
            alexey_444 23 November 2022 07: 47
            0
            Well, they answered the question of why we are fighting like this, if you get a crowbar, get ready that they will beat you with a crowbar, our elite thinks about it, they should pay salaries to state employees and not grief to the patriots who call to kill everyone.
    3. tkoh
      tkoh 22 November 2022 15: 11
      +1
      New manuals brought? It seems that they began to prepare us for a great victory by surrendering everything that was released during the NWO
      1. alexey_444
        alexey_444 22 November 2022 16: 03
        -2
        Manuals? We need to announce another mobilization of 500 thousand or a million, and the patriots on this site will run out, the warriors of the fig.
    4. Shark Lover
      Shark Lover 23 November 2022 01: 40
      0
      Do not get involved, links will be thrown. Analysts are sitting here. Only local analysts differ in that finding fault and looking for shortcomings is one thing, making decisions and bearing responsibility is another. Don't go in, it's like in the Moscow Region, here there are fights for points and epaulettes.
      1. alexey_444
        alexey_444 23 November 2022 08: 08
        +1
        Yes, this is understandable, it is always easier to criticize than to do, I once argued with my father when in the elections he voted for some kind of peasant, let's say about his pocket, not forgetting. Growing up, I realized that there are no people without flaws, the main thing is to do the job, and not engage in empty talk. There are a lot of smart people, but no one knows how to win without advantages in technology, intelligence, numbers, except blah blah blah.
  14. Nikolay Malyugin
    Nikolay Malyugin 22 November 2022 08: 03
    +8
    What happens on the fronts is not for us to decide. In any case, we will look at the facts. Another thing is what is happening in the information field. It's just fantastic. A clip comes out with the arrest of a deserter. It became funny to me, this lace should go to Ukraine to protect the escorts. Even if he took the oath, he was guarding a warehouse somewhere. That this is an indispensable aid to the front.? Or throw dust in the eyes of the command. This artificiality can ruin all things. We are not eating the last piece to feed enemy propaganda.
  15. 77alex77
    77alex77 22 November 2022 08: 09
    +8
    I don’t know about forecasts, but the Russian people can forgive the authorities everything: corruption, nepotism, theft, irremovability, rudeness, etc., except for defeat in the war. Remember the Crimean War and then the fermentation, 1905 Russian-Japanese, 1917.
  16. Radikal
    Radikal 22 November 2022 08: 09
    +6
    Quote: Stas157
    I would like to know if our General Staff has the key to victory? Such a nail puller for opening up a land defense, a hammer for knocking Bandera out of fortified areas?

    This could well be the establishment of air supremacy. Or cutting communications, hitting bridges, disrupting logistics...
    How do they plan to win?
    They no longer remember about grinding and a fiery shaft after the Kharkov regrouping ... But there must be at least something! Otherwise, why start?

    But it looks like it doesn't. And it doesn't seem to be expected. Because if our General Staff had the key to victory, then the initiative would have long been on our side.

    And what does the General Staff have to do with it, is he his own boss? Above the General Staff there is a person holding the position of the Supreme High Command - all the "keys" to victories, defeats, surrender of cities, etc. his activities... bully
  17. BAI
    BAI 22 November 2022 08: 53
    +8
    The Economist is seriously considering the possibility of a forced retreat of Russia from its new territories.

    And not only he considers. Yesterday Solovyov brought up this subject, although Solovyov was yelling all over about it. The most important thing is that such an idea exists in certain circles of the political elite of Russia and always has a chance to be realized.
  18. sopot
    sopot 22 November 2022 08: 54
    +7
    Who and where suddenly saw "... Russia has shown resource endowment and readiness to go to the end."?
  19. Foundling
    Foundling 22 November 2022 09: 08
    +7
    There are only two ways. All this can end either with great blood or great disgrace. Both options, as it were, are softer .... they will have a significant impact on the political situation in the country with all the consequences. I don’t like it myself, such is the selyavi, unfortunately
  20. Vittorio
    Vittorio 22 November 2022 09: 29
    +5
    So far, everything is going according to the scenario of the West. The capture of the former large Ukrainian cities does not fit into their understanding of the course of the military conflict. The more people who die in a fratricidal war, the better for them. Another question is why we are losing, because we are a great power with great traditions. Unlike America and many European countries. Ukraine is not considered as such at all. Maybe internal problems are to blame.
  21. Pravodel
    Pravodel 22 November 2022 10: 01
    +7
    Many, oh, how many questions accumulate among the people in the NWO ....
    The main question is: how not to lose the cheerfully started war in Ukraine!? ..
    Additional questions
    1. What was the point of capturing the Gostomel airfield near Kyiv, if there was no task of capturing government buildings in Kyiv, isolating the Ukroführer and the headquarters of the Armed Forces of Ukraine? Capture, then shamefully retreat along the entire front? ..
    2. Why, after the retreat from Kyiv and the transition of the war into a protracted war, did they start disabling the critical infrastructure of Ukraine so late?
    3. Armament and replenishment with militants and mercenaries enters Ukraine through border crossings on the border with Poland, Romania, where the change of wheeled wagon pairs takes place. Why haven't these crossing points and infrastructure for changing wheelsets been taken out of service?
    4. The war cannot be won by local skirmishes and the destruction of the enemy's DRG. War is won by defeating the whole army or most of it. Hence the question: why, after the liberation of Kherson, a regrouping of troops was not carried out with a decisive offensive on Nikolaev and Odessa? Here they will immediately answer us: there were not enough troops ... Then the following question immediately arises: where did the troops withdrawn from Kyiv go? They were sent to the rear!?... From Kherson to Nikolaev, 61 km, to Odessa - 145. What, the troops withdrawn from Kyiv would not be enough to strike at Nikolaev and Odessa with access to Transnistria? All this is very doubtful, gentlemen.
    5. Where is our reconnaissance, why do we allow the enemy to concentrate troops on the direction of attack, why do not we strike at the places of concentration of enemy troops ...
    And there are still a lot of such questions on SVO.
    In conclusion
    We are being told from all stands that we are losing the war because of the low number of troops at the front.
    A little help
    1. Suvorov took Izmail with a significant numerical superiority of the Turks over the Russian troops. The number of Ishmael's garrison is about 35 thousand, of which 12 thousand are selected troops, Janissaries. Russians 2. General Yudenich in 1916 took Erzurum in winter, frost was 30 degrees or more, highlands - 3000 m, with an insignificant excess of Russian troops for such an operation: Russian troops - 75 thousand, Turkish troops - 60 thousand.
    3. Zhukov defeated the Japanese along Khalkhin Gol with a significant superiority of the Japanese forces.
    4. Quite recent events in Ukraine, when the poorly armed, small in comparison with the army of Ukraine, the LPR and DPR militia defeated the Ukrainian army near Saur-mogila and Debaltseve ...
    What, there are no Suvorovs, Yudenichs, Rokossovskys, Zhukovs left with us? ...
    Anyone who is interested can look through history and find many examples when the Russian, Soviet army smashed a significantly superior enemy in strength and numbers. You can also expand knowledge to world history, so you can find even more similar examples.
    So, the question of the balance of forces and the number of our troops capable of defeating the enemy and winning in Ukraine remains open ...
    One thing is obvious, positional warfare leads Russia to lose the war. Suffice it to recall the Russo-Japanese War of 1905 and the events in Russia after the end of the war.
    Do we want a repetition of 1905 in Russia, to which our former "sworn friends" and the entire course of the war in Ukraine are so stubbornly pushing us!?...
    1. MBRSS
      MBRSS 22 November 2022 18: 53
      +1
      We are being told from all stands that we are losing the war because of the low number of troops at the front.

      Well, they don't say so. They say that we are not advancing, because we protect personnel.
      And in response to your questions, it can be assumed that the authorities did not have any "plan B" in the NWO and still do not. They implied only the Crimean/Donbass scenario. Now they are scratching their turnips, but what to do next?
    2. PavelT
      PavelT 23 November 2022 01: 14
      +1
      What was the meaning of the capture of the Gostomel airfield near Kyiv,
      - probably they wanted to transfer troops, equipment and ammunition to it by transport aircraft. Forgot about the Ukrainian artillery, alas. It would be better if they landed from the reservoir directly at the Kyiv hydroelectric power station, captured it and the banks of the Dnieper / reservoir on both sides (would connect their eastern Chernihiv group with the western Chernobyl group), then blackmail the entire city of Kyiv by draining water, breaking the dam and hollowing out all the Kyiv bridges from there across the Dnieper to tear the capital in two.
  22. certero
    certero 22 November 2022 10: 06
    +5
    From the Russian side, the only way out that will minimize or even take advantage of this special military operation is to create a grouping of sufficient numbers to defeat Ukraine. What kind of strength is needed for this and what needs to be done for this, I don’t know, I didn’t graduate from the General Staff Academy.
    But the fact that the soldiers who returned from a lost war will try to ask the authorities for this is absolutely inevitable. And part of society will support them in this.
    What will actually happen? I am absolutely sure that there will be an agreement like the Khasavyurt ones, that Solovyov's propaganda will be turned on at full capacity and they will pour from the TV that this is the best achievement in the last 30 years.
    Well, to be honest, I even agree to this, if only this garbage would end soon, because there is no belief that our current government can lead our country to victory.
    1. Seraphimamur
      Seraphimamur 22 November 2022 11: 01
      -6
      This is what the Americans are counting on. Dissatisfied population removes Putin and his entourage. A "window of opportunity" appears for the coming to power of a liberal personality such as Yeltsin or Gorbachev, who, under the pretext of "peace chewing gum", will hand over Russia for plunder.
    2. Mitia68
      Mitia68 22 November 2022 15: 41
      0
      is the creation of a grouping of sufficient numbers to defeat Ukraine.


      Reminded:
      In May 1905, a meeting of the military council was held, where Grand Duke Nikolai Nikolayevich reported that victory was possible, but for the final victory over Japan it was necessary: ​​a billion rubles of expenses (and the entire annual budget of Russia was less than 2 billion), about 200 thousand casualties (losses at that time there were only 52 thousand) and another year of hostilities.
      After long deliberation, Nicholas II decided to enter into negotiations with Japan ...
    3. Topol1732
      Topol1732 22 November 2022 19: 22
      0
      Quote: certero
      is the creation of a grouping of sufficient numbers to defeat Ukraine.

      How will you equip and equip this sufficient number? Rogatins? Or do you care how many people die from the couch?
  23. Seraphimamur
    Seraphimamur 22 November 2022 10: 58
    -2
    I read the article and what they write on the forum: some kind of single impulse of grabbing-imperial and predatory moods and a vision of the development of the situation. For some reason, everyone believes that the Russian army should attack somewhere. But for the purposes of the SVO, only the liberation of the lands of the Donbass and the LPR is indicated. There, yes, not shaky, not rolled, but an offensive is underway. The fact that Kherson and Zaporozhye regions ended up in the Russian Federation is a consequence of the battle for Donbass. The capture (acquisition) of new territories is a burden on the country's budget. That's what teachers, doctors and other state employees will say if their salaries are not indexed by the end of the year? What about pensioners? And, as Kherson showed, not all of them, even those who voted for joining Russia, were sincere. And what to say about the more western regions of Ukraine - we get a partisan-sabotage movement. Russia will build there, pay social benefits to the detriment of indigenous citizens, and our security forces will be shot in the back. Moreover, after nine months of war, many relatives in Ukraine died or became crippled. It is clear that they do not like Russia. Therefore, there will be no grandiose offensives like in the Second World War. There will be the liberation of the DPR and LPR and a positional war to grind the human and material resources of the Nazis and NATO. And let the Europeans and Americans restore the infrastructure of Ukraine and maintain it. As they get tired of it, the war will end with the approval of the new constitution of Ukraine as a non-bloc, demilitarized state and outlawed Nazi ideology.
    1. Mitia68
      Mitia68 22 November 2022 15: 19
      +1
      As they get tired of it, the war will end with the approval of the new constitution of Ukraine as a non-bloc, demilitarized state and outlawed Nazi ideology.


      It's just not clear to you.
      And why did you decide that post-war Ukraine will become a non-bloc and demilitarized state?
      In my opinion, just the opposite - if, at the end of the war, our troops do not stand on the entire territory of Ukraine and there is no complete political control over the Kyiv regime, Ukraine will become an extremely militarized state (larger than, for example, Israel), and even hastily conclude military alliances with whom only possible (even though it is unlikely to be accepted into NATO).

      For example, South Korea (after the signing of the armistice agreement in 1953) was not part of any military blocs, but at the same time it has the 7th largest army in the world and entered into a military alliance with the United States.
  24. silviu
    silviu 22 November 2022 11: 30
    -1
    In the summer, NATO intelligence even talked about a serious reform of analytical services in connection with the total failure. Now the Western military has a tilt in the other direction - a total discrediting of the level of the Russian army. Finding the golden mean is very difficult.
    And there’s no need to look for a middle ground and it simply doesn’t exist. In the summer they had a failure, but now everything can be the other way around if the surrender of positions is not stopped. Mobilization should have been carried out earlier and even instead of surrendering Kyiv and Kharkov. because they didn’t give Kherson and Nikolaev could be taken in the summer. And it’s not those who made the decision to give up positions that are to blame, and just like on the Kursk submarine, it turned out that they themselves were to blame for blowing themselves up like that and drowned. An absurd version that suited the top. But the truth will eventually come out anyway.
  25. Fan-fan
    Fan-fan 22 November 2022 11: 34
    +7
    NWO exposed and highlighted all the problems of Russia. Namely, we don't have a professional army, we don't have weapons, and people don't have the motivation to die either. There is no normal planning for operations of this magnitude, there is no competent intelligence and analytics either, but there are toadies, greed and a disregard for their people and country.
    Guys, it takes a very long time to clean our "Augean stables".
    By the way, "horses in the crossing" must be urgently changed, these horses lie on their sides with their tongues hanging out. Yes, and these horses brought the country into such a swamp that they themselves will no longer get out, they will destroy themselves and destroy us.
    1. ch28k38
      ch28k38 22 November 2022 21: 47
      +1
      The logical conclusion from your messages: it is strange that the Ukrainians are not yet near Moscow.
  26. ximkim
    ximkim 22 November 2022 11: 35
    +1
    A dead end is not planned, and the battle (war) will continue.
    1. For Ukraine, Russia is an aggressor (because the Kremlin presented it so for a long time)
    2 . Russia could not and cannot prove its motivation
    NWO-contradictory norms of coexistence of people in Ukraine.
    3. Fights depend on motivation - Ukraine is motivated by very large reparations.
    What motivates Russia?
  27. acetophenone
    acetophenone 22 November 2022 12: 07
    +1
    Quote: Alexander Antonov_2
    Africa has a lot of minerals, but North Korea has nothing.

    And what are we to do with that? Or do you think that the "partners" will allow us to carry something from there in industrial quantities past their noses?
  28. Bulrumeb
    Bulrumeb 22 November 2022 13: 31
    0
    Everyone in a row, starting with the CIA and ending with anti-Russian liberals, predicted defeat for the Ukrainian army in the very first weeks of the special operation. The situation, as we see, went a little differently. In the summer, NATO intelligence even talked about a serious reform of analytical services in connection with the total failure. Now the Western military has a tilt in the other direction - a total discrediting of the level of the Russian army.

    Wow, the level of professionalism of the Western intelligence services turned out to be no higher than the level of the majority of the population, which thought exactly the same.
  29. Mitia68
    Mitia68 22 November 2022 14: 58
    +1
    The parties will fight as long as there are resources.

    Russia spends exclusively its own resources - money, weapons and people.
    Ukraine spends its own human resources, and the "west" provides it with money and weapons.
    It's about a balance. Pat?

    But there is another important resource, this is the patience of the population. Patience of the population of Russia, Ukraine and the West. And most likely this resource will end first.
    Who?
    I'm betting that the reserves of patience in Russia are truly unlimited.
  30. certero
    certero 22 November 2022 15: 28
    +1
    Quote: Seraphimamur
    But for the purposes of the SVO, only the liberation of the lands of the Donbass and the LPR is indicated.

    You understand what business the Internet remembers everything. And the goals of theirs were clearly indicated by Mr. President on February 24th. Denocification and demilitarization of Ukraine.
  31. certero
    certero 22 November 2022 15: 28
    0
    Quote from Mitia68
    The parties will fight as long as there are resources.

    the parties will fight until it is profitable for the capitalists who earn on it.
    1. Vladimir100
      Vladimir100 22 November 2022 17: 44
      +1
      In addition to the "capitalists", there are age-old contradictions between the Khokhlami and Russia, which resulted in a full-fledged war at the beginning of the 21st century.
  32. Eug
    Eug 22 November 2022 17: 00
    +1
    I'm wondering - how "" allied forces "
    will be in the area of ​​Krivoy Rog?
  33. Vladimir100
    Vladimir100 22 November 2022 17: 34
    -1
    Quote from Vittorio
    Another question is why we are losing, because we are a great power with great traditions.

    Technical and organizational backwardness. If the Russian army had at least a few hundred high-precision NATO-level artillery systems, the situation would be diametrically opposite.
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    3. ch28k38
      ch28k38 22 November 2022 21: 50
      +1
      Yes !!!! We definitely lost! APU is already on its way to the Urals!
  34. iouris
    iouris 22 November 2022 18: 16
    +1
    A dead end is a defeat. The "Battle for the Dnieper" is a phantasmagoria (the Dnieper originates on the Valdai Hills, where the Volga and the Western Dvina originate). And the United States must win, and not in Ukraine, but in Europe or even in the world. But this is not the end of the story.
  35. Vladimir100
    Vladimir100 22 November 2022 18: 17
    -1
    As an option, in order to protect the units of Russian troops (let's say up to a company) located at the forefront from high-precision artillery and missiles and allow them to hold positions and gradually move forward, you can build self-propelled strongholds with a high level of protection against hitting cumulative projectiles of mines and missiles which can withstand such strikes and, moreover, their protection can be quickly restored by the forces of the units located in them. The average size of such strong points is 50 by 50 m and the height is 4-5 m. They can be equipped with artillery and rocket launchers, air defense systems and autonomous life support systems with the necessary supplies of water and food. The average speed is 5km/h. The power plant will allow them to move in the direction of the enemy or maneuver, albeit at low speed, but nevertheless provide maneuverability on the battlefield, unlike stationary fortifications.
    1. Topol1732
      Topol1732 22 November 2022 19: 28
      0
      Quote: Vladimir100
      to allow them to hold their positions and gradually move forward, it is possible to build self-propelled strongholds with a high level of protection against hit by cumulative projectiles of mines and missiles that can withstand such attacks, and besides, their protection can be quickly restored by the forces of the units located in them. The average size of such strong points is 50 by 50 m and the height is 4-5 m. They can be equipped with artillery and rocket launchers, air defense systems and autonomous life support systems with the necessary supplies of water and food.

      It's lovely. The fantasy is gone.
      1. Vladimir100
        Vladimir100 23 November 2022 02: 28
        0
        There is nothing fantastic in this proposal. In fact, this is a land analogue of large ships only with reliable armor protection. Here the scale factor begins to affect and such a machine will be almost impossible to destroy with modern means of warfare. The speed of 5 km / h is too high and 1 km / h for maneuvering and several hundred meters per day towards the enemy. Such pressure will force the Hoh-Lov to continuously move backwards without giving them the opportunity to gain a foothold and create a stable line of defense.
    2. ch28k38
      ch28k38 22 November 2022 21: 52
      0
      And even better - self-propelled armored caps made of reinforced concrete 3 meters thick!
      1. Vladimir100
        Vladimir100 23 November 2022 02: 31
        0
        Concrete in this case is not the best material. You need to use combined armor.
  36. Rimlianin
    Rimlianin 22 November 2022 18: 53
    +1
    I suggest that all skeptics and couch analysts listen to Colonel McGregor, he speaks very positively about the strategy of our army.
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    1. Vladimir100
      Vladimir100 23 November 2022 02: 35
      0
      Surrender can be avoided if the old mafia farts with their numerous relatives are expelled from the military-industrial complex and the production of high-precision artillery mounts based on NATO samples is quickly established. Let these installations be inferior to NATO ones, but due to the quantity, the advantage will be on our side.
  38. Vlad Gor
    Vlad Gor 22 November 2022 20: 02
    0
    The "elite" of NATO is in power in the Russian Federation, everything personal is in the NATO countries. This "elite" will not make it possible to defeat Russia. The way out for the Russian Federation is to go on the defensive at the fronts. No agreements, goodwill gestures, regroupings. Wait, build up strength, hit Kyiv with rockets every day. The "elite" of the Russian Federation cannot wait long, it will crumble itself. First, we need a victory inside Russia over the fifth column. During the waiting time, the goal will be formulated, the belonging of the territory of Ukraine will be determined.
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  39. certero
    certero 22 November 2022 21: 18
    -1
    Quote: Vladimir100
    In addition to the "capitalists", there are age-old contradictions between the Khokhlami and Russia, which resulted in a full-fledged war at the beginning of the 21st century.

    There were no contradictions requiring a military conflict between Russia and Ukraine until February 24.
  40. ch28k38
    ch28k38 22 November 2022 21: 54
    +1
    I read all the comments and once again became convinced of the truth of the saying - "they don't show half the work to a fool."
  41. Vladimir100
    Vladimir100 23 November 2022 02: 19
    +1
    Quote: certero
    There were no contradictions requiring a military conflict between Russia and Ukraine until February 24.

    There were and will be until the complete destruction and fall of Hochland. For 31 years, Hoh=Landia finally turned into a fascist foothold against the Russians and Russia.
  42. Vladimir100
    Vladimir100 23 November 2022 02: 37
    0
    Quote: Babay Babaev
    Until now, no one in the army knows why and for what they are fighting?

    this is nonsense
  43. Tank destroyerSU-100
    Tank destroyerSU-100 23 November 2022 15: 23
    0
    Quote: Leader_Barmaleev
    “Never plot anything against Russia, because she will answer any of your cunning with her unpredictable stupidity.” Otto von Bismarck

    Old man Otto was a very smart and perspicacious politician. Better than him, no one has yet been able to describe the Russian military doctrine literally in a nutshell.

    In vain you attribute these words to Bismarck, he did not say them. This phrase was said by M.N. Zadornov.
  44. yuriy1863
    yuriy1863 23 November 2022 17: 50
    0
    For Russia, there is only one positive option - Victory. Moreover, without any "agreements" and fawning over Western "partners". This requires the full mobilization of all forces and resources and, at the same time, the iron will of the top political and military leadership. I am sure that the strong and confident position of the rulers will be unambiguously supported by the majority of the Russian population. Even mistakes and failures will be forgiven them. Everything else will be a shameful defeat with the loss of authority both outside the country and within it.
    1. ZnaxarJorge
      ZnaxarJorge 25 November 2022 02: 00
      -1
      The management has an "iron will" to keep their money and rewind everything back so that it is as before. To be good colonial governors of the west again. Raw materials for the West, beautiful life for effective managers, humiliation and poverty for the people. For the sake of this, they are ready for any shame, for the surrender of anything. Kherson has become a point of no return. Traitors burn in hell
  45. scaramaks27
    scaramaks27 23 November 2022 22: 43
    +1
    everything is clear to everyone, everyone wangs abstrusely ... BUT, who will answer what I.V. Stalin with the deputy chief of the General Staff of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation for cutting 6,7 billion rubles of the state defense order. But Khalil was in charge of communications in the RF Armed Forces. Disgusted by the stench.