Afghanistan: President Putin’s pragmatic approach

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Recently, at a meeting with representatives of the NATO Parliamentary Assembly, Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin saidthat Russia will insist on the implementation by NATO countries of the task in Afghanistan.

"If you entered there, then you bear all the responsibility for what happens there and will happen after you leave ... We will insist that you fulfill your task in Afghanistan to the end," Rogozin addressed these Western parliamentarians.


He recalled that Russia, which has interests in Central Asia, is interested in stability in Afghanistan. At the same time, D. Rogozin noted, Russia went to difficult decisions related to the transit of NATO cargo through its territory. In addition, the Deputy Prime Minister noted:

“By purely military methods, creating stability in Afghanistan is almost impossible. If now the Afghan operation is not focused on laying the foundations of civilian life, then I think that the protege left behind in Kabul after the withdrawal or significant reduction of the western grouping in Afghanistan, he, of course, will hold out much less than the Soviet protege Najibula. ”




The conclusion is correct: the Taliban, who not so long ago declared their “victory” in the war with the Americans, could come to power in Afghanistan very quickly.

At the same time, Rogozin appears to be rushing things.

Back in mid-October, the well-known assumption that US troops would not be withdrawn from Afghanistan, and after 2014 of the year, as Barack Obama and the Pentagon generals stated, received a new confirmation. Analyst "Strategic Culture Foundation" A. Shustov notesreferring to anonymous sources of the Kommersant newspaper that the US Department of Defense insists on maintaining 2014 thousands of military personnel in Afghanistan after 25, the majority of which should be Special Forces units.

The plan was supported by the NATO defense ministers, who also offered to leave their military in Afghanistan after 2014 - on one condition: they will not participate in combat operations. The remaining contingent is supposed to train the Afghan military. The legal basis for cooperation between the United States and Afghanistan after 2014 will be the strategic partnership agreement signed in May in Kabul. In accordance with this document, Washington is committed to "supporting the social and economic development of Afghanistan." up to 2024 year.

Thus, the statement of D. Rogozin on the topic “If you entered there, then you bear all the responsibility ...” either lags somewhat behind the events, or is based on other information, according to which NATO coalition troops will be almost completely withdrawn from Afghanistan (for the purely symbolic American exception). In this case, the threat of Islamist danger really arises for Russia.

However, it seems that America will not dare to leave Afghanistan after the 11-year presence there.

Vietnamese veteran Senator McCain, who thinks even brighter than Mitt Romney in the categories of the Cold War, this year сказалthat America’s mistake was the withdrawal of troops from Afghanistan after the departure of the Soviet contingent:

"Broadcast weapons Resistance to fight the Soviets in Afghanistan was not a mistake. The mistake was to give the Afghans their own fate after the Russians left. ”


America, although accustomed to step on the rake twice and three times, still has time to think about 2014. It is not politics that matters, but economics. If now on the Afghan "operation" Washington spends 110-120 billion dollars a year, then after 2014, the whole 2,7 billion dollars is going to be spent for the same purposes for the same purpose.

2001 to 2011 Pentagon budget was cut on 450 billion dollars. Still almost 500 billion dollars to it planned to cut in ten years, starting with the 2012 year. And if the United States strengthens its military power in the APR, it weakens in Afghanistan. Hiraet world "hegemon". However, the United States does not plan to completely withdraw from it. And there are good reasons for this.

Exactly a year ago, the head of the Federal Drug Control Service, Viktor Ivanov summed up American activity in Afghanistan: “I would name three main results. The first is a phenomenal increase in drug production, more than 40 times, the second is the militarization of the region ... And the third result is a humanitarian catastrophe, political instability and expanded reproduction of the militants. ”



In the Pakistani English-language newspaper "The News" opinion is expressedthat after the withdrawal of US troops from Afghanistan, a “power vacuum” is formed there, and the United States seriously fears this - therefore, they will not withdraw the contingent completely. Washington, the columnist writes, is not interested in strengthening the Taliban.

In addition, let us add, the great democratic empire must confirm its high political status. Leaving Afghanistan after 11 years and giving Kabul to the Taliban means losing face in geopolitics.

October 29 Iranian channel "Press TV" interviewed Mohammed Daoud Abedi, Chairman of the Peace Council of the Afghan People, based in Los Angeles. Comrade Abedi fully agreed with the interviewer in assessing the failure of the "mission" of the United States in Afghanistan. In addition, the analyst agreed that the whole anti-terrorist operation in Afghanistan is the essence of the practice of “double standards”.

Comrade Abedi believes that the failure of the United States in Afghanistan is an excellent illustration of how American policy is being implemented. It is one thing - coverage in the American media of military contingent activities in Afghanistan, another thing - the truth. Today, even US lawmakers who approve of financing an Afghan operation accuse the US government of double standards. This shows how deep the Afghan problem is. The analyst strongly advises American authorities to review their policies regarding Afghanistan.

Everywhere, where only the destructive American policy is being carried out, tragedies occur: civilians are dying. It got to the point that the general public in the United States realized this: more than 72% of people in the United States reject the war of their native country in Afghanistan. Now they call it "the forgotten war." And in the British House of Lords it is constantly said that the coalition cannot succeed in Afghanistan, and therefore the UK is withdrawing 4500 soldiers from there.

There can be no endgame for the USA. America just lost in Afghanistan. The main purpose of the operation was declared deliverance from terrorism. But, as President Karzai said, terrorism is not at all in Afghan villages.

And what do Americans see under terrorism? There are rebels. There are jihadists. There are, finally, freedom fighters. And yes, there are terrorists.

The real goals of the United States are known only to a narrow circle of people, the analyst believes. The bases in Afghanistan are needed by America to control nearby territory. In addition, there are economic goals in Central Asia, including Afghanistan itself. Anything that goes through the Caucasus can touch Afghanistan. But politically, all this is unattainable, says Abedi. Moreover, it overlaps with the interests of Russia.



And then there's the crisis in Europe. The European Community faces crisis every day. EU states do not have the means to feed their people, so how can they help a foreign country to build statehood?

Comrade Abedi also recalls that right now, right here in Los Angeles, the unemployment rate reached 10,2 percent. In the country of 25, millions of Americans are out of work. 7 millions, according to Mitt Romney, live on food stamps and use other types of government assistance. The West has so many problems at home ...

Well, how many Afghan problems can Russia have?

Gianandrea Guyani from the Italian newspaper Il Sole 24 Ore считаетthat after the Americans and NATO left Kabul, the Russians would be on the front lines. According to the analyst, Moscow (alone or with regional allies) is now preparing to confront jihadist movements that have intensified not only in Afghanistan, but also in the former Soviet republics. If, after the Allies leave Afghanistan, he is again in the hands of the Taliban, this threat will increase.

V. Putin, who met with Kyrgyz President Almazbek Atambayev in Bishkek at the end of September, signed an agreement that guarantees Russian military control of the military airbase in Kant until 2032. The contract was extended in exchange for writing off debt in 380 million and providing a loan in 1,3 billion for the construction of two hydropower plants.

And that's what Vladimir Putin said:

"We imagine the situation in Afghanistan, and the presence of the Russian military in both Tajikistan and Kyrgyzstan is a stabilizing factor in the face of a terrorist threat."


The contract states that the Russians will oversee the training and equipment of the Kyrgyz army and control the telecommunications center, but their main task is to ensure national security. This article of the treaty, the journalist believes, turns Kyrgyzstan into a protectorate of Moscow.

Moscow has also concluded new military agreements with Tajikistan: the 201-I Russian Motorized Rifle Division has been guarding the Tajik-Afghan border for many years, blocking the traffic of weapons and opium and preventing the infiltration of terrorists. The contract relating to the three military bases, the author recalls, was signed in Dushanbe by Putin and Emomali Rahmon. The parties agreed on a Russian military presence before the 2042 year, with the possibility of extending it to the 2047 year. Moscow will duty-free supply the domestic Tajik market with Russian gas and, in addition, will allocate five million dollars to combat drug trafficking in Tajikistan, which goes from there to Russia. In addition, V. Putin promised that Tajik workers would be issued permits to work in Russia for three years, and their period of stay could be extended to 15 years, which will help the Dushanbe budget, which is highly dependent on remittances received from 1,3 million emigrants (only last year, the total amount of transfers amounted to 3 billion dollars).



The named republics are, in fact, the “front line” of the struggle against Islamist movements that have bases in Afghanistan. Therefore, the author of the article believes, the Russians are interested in supporting the Afghan government, to whom they promised military assistance after the withdrawal of NATO troops, which, by the way, coincides with the interests of the West.

However, Comrade Putin is not only not going to “release” the Americans from Afghanistan, but also sets conditions for them.

American journalist Gabriela Bachinska ("Reuters", Chicago Tribune), having studied the materials of the speech of the President of Russia 25 of October at the meeting of the Valdai International Discussion Club, concluded that Moscow wanted to know more about the scale of the activities of the United States and the NATO coalition forces in Afghanistan - before deciding whether to continue cooperation with the Western alliance . Journalism believes that Russia is still leading a “cold war” with the West, likes to criticize NATO, and fears possible instability when withdrawing Western troops from Afghanistan in 2014. It is possible that the withdrawal will suffer and the security of Russia - on the "southern borders", writes Bachinsk.

The Soviet Union sent troops to Afghanistan in the 1979 year and brought them out at the beginning of the 1989 year, after the “disastrous war”. Later, Moscow supported the US invasion - after the attacks of Al-Qaida 11 in September 2001, Moscow also allowed transit supplies from the NATO security forces (ISAF), including through a new logistics center in Ulyanovsk.

However, Zamir Kabulov, Putin’s special envoy for Afghanistan, told Reuters that Russia wanted “full clarity” on ending the alliance’s mission in 2014 and reiterated the threat to stop cooperation if the alliance is approved by the UN Security Council, where Moscow has veto power.



Kabulov, the former Russian ambassador to Kabul, also said that Moscow wants to get more information about the foreign contingent in Afghanistan after 2014, since current information from Washington is highly controversial.

NATO has not yet provided Russia with detailed information on how many troops it wants to deploy in Afghanistan after the 2014 year. Kabulov casts doubt on the ability of limited forces to ensure stability: after all, even tens of thousands of ISAF troops have failed to do so.

“But if they are not placed there for this purpose, then for what? This is our question, and we ask for a clear answer, ”he said.


And added:

“Imagine several thousand instructors sitting at the base who were suddenly attacked by the Taliban. And what, they will say: "Do not shoot, we are instructors"? "


Kabulov also noted that the overall situation in Afghanistan is deteriorating, and said that NATO failed to achieve its goal, but acknowledged that something had become better than it was before the appearance of the ISAF here.

When withdrawing coalition troops from Afghanistan, comrade Kabulov said, Russia would have to redirect resources from the needs of domestic development to the protection of national interests and security.

The Russian president, who provided 5 for October with a new 30-year-old lease agreement for a military base in Tajikistan (Russia's main line of defense against radical Islamists and drug trafficking from Afghanistan) made it clear that Russia is ready to cooperate with NATO on Afghanistan not because Russia likes NATO, but because it corresponds to Russian interests.

“This is a very pragmatic approach, nothing personal,” said Comrade Putin.


Thus, in order to counter the possible narco-weapons and arms flow from Afghanistan, which would have intensified with the withdrawal of most of the NATO forces, Russia made strategic efforts in Tajikistan and Kyrgyzstan. At the same time, Moscow is putting pressure on Washington, since the ISAF contingent, despite all the failures and “double standards” of the coalition forces, is solving some of the tasks of ensuring security and stability, including in the interests of Russia. It remains only to wait for the clarity that the Pentagon should bring to the issue of the number of troops in Afghanistan after the 2014 year. However, this issue is unlikely to be discussed before the inauguration of the new president (January 20 2013). In any case, when studying the defense budget by the Congress in 2013, it becomes clear how much military Washington plans to keep in Afghanistan. It will also be clear how much ISAF power will remain there - if only they remain.

Observed and translated by Oleg Chuvakin
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  1. +16
    31 October 2012 07: 56
    Article plus.
    Pragmatism in Russian foreign policy should dominate.
    Amer is likely to leave Afghanistan having lost face, but having saved money, and the interests of Afghanistan itself and Russia, for them the tenth matter. It seems to me.
    1. +3
      31 October 2012 08: 15
      omsbon,
      Guess what. After the election and see.
      1. +2
        31 October 2012 08: 26
        Sergei!
        Budget cuts for Afghan operation 40 times speaks for itself. There will be nothing to pay the spirits for the "roof", allies for the presence, etc.
        1. predator.2
          +3
          31 October 2012 10: 34
          And it would not hurt ours to establish relations with the Taliban in the quiet, because when they came to power they would turn their eyes to the Serenasian countries, first of all, Tajikistan and Uzbekistan, and make a mess there, and millions of refugees would rush to us, i.e. families of current migrant workers.
          1. Lucky
            +2
            31 October 2012 11: 59
            There is no need to talk to them, I think they will deceive us all the same, one way out again, our borders will appear on the borders of Tajikistan, Tajikistan wants it or does not want it, but it seems to me they will be there.
            And only if we seriously violate their main financial income, namely the heroin trade, only then can we talk to them about something!
            1. predator.2
              0
              31 October 2012 15: 32
              Better, as they say, a bad world than a good war, I think the Tajik-Afghan border will have to be covered by Russian border guards, and indeed the 201st division will be strengthened.
              1. Petrospek
                0
                31 October 2012 16: 45
                how can you put up with someone who wants to cut off your head? and besides, one will have to admit that the Taliban is a political force, and (well, since this is a negotiation) they will have to give something in return, but they want Tajikistan, what’s the point?
                1. 0
                  31 October 2012 17: 08
                  Amerikosy called cargo, let them now climb into the back! We must not let them out until they clean up and put our Afghanistan in order!

                  Quote: omsbon
                  the interests of Afghanistan itself and of Russia, for them it is the tenth thing

                  There is an opinion that (if) the amers are dumped from Afgan, they will leave behind a large heap of homne especially for Russia, such as a zapodlyanka.
                  And as for the rake, everyone has known for so long that amers constantly carry them with them in their backpacks and periodically pull them out and put them in front of them under their right foot, then pick them up and carefully pack them, put them in a bag-thing with national pidantry for the next time. Rake is their national pride, but unproductive, it's time to change to a sledgehammer.
                  And rightly Putin pokes their nose, obrozalsilsya, take it away after yourself, then fell on all four sides.
                  1. Kaa
                    +9
                    31 October 2012 10: 43
                    Quote: Sergh
                    And rightly Putin pokes their nose, obrozalsilsya, take it away after yourself, then fell on all four sides.

                    We'll have to spray poppy plantations using Far Agricultural Aviation to minimize the flow of drugs. Maybe they are waiting for NATO to leave so as not to inadvertently, from a satellite, these plantations are clearly visible ...
                    1. Sergh
                      +2
                      31 October 2012 11: 08
                      Quote: Kaa
                      We'll have to spray poppy plantations using Far Agricultural Aviation

                      Don’t tell Snake, you’ll have to drop by our VECTOR Novosibirsk State Scientific Center for Virology and Biotechnology, put a bottle of vodka for laboratory assistants and ask them to quickly remove the mutant Calaradean beetle the size of a chicken (this is so that he gets to Afghanistan on his own) with the clone to poppy appetite or a locust drug addict with a mosquito trunk, like a shower hose and UAV wings, to suck out opium and blood from dushmans. Hehe, perhaps one bottle is not enough, okay, we will bargain.
                      1. Kaa
                        +6
                        31 October 2012 11: 22
                        Quote: Sergh
                        so that they would quickly bring out the mutants of the Calarad beetle the size of a chicken (this is so that he gets to Afghanistan on his own) with the clone to poppy appetite

                        The idea is great. but the fungus has already been removed, the poppy rots until the formation of bolls, our amers were offered for the Afghan a few years ago, they responded - they say, we are afraid of allergies (shyutka), they say they feel sorry for the dekhan of the peaceful, without the poppy trade they will starve to death. And in Russia there is an old proverb: "For three hundred years the poppy did not give birth - and there was no hunger", far-sighted, it should be noted our ancestors were ...
                        1. Sergh
                          +2
                          31 October 2012 12: 03
                          Quote: Kaa
                          but the fungus is already bred

                          Well, I say, like, so that the mutants are in the stage of self-searching, that is, independent. They flew by themselves, they themselves found, they themselves ate and we had fewer bunts. And with the fungus you need to bother, spray, attract equipment, specialists, etc.
                          Heh, some poppy defender climbed, stubbornly minus, well done. Don’t worry, my friend, for your age, a couple of years is enough, you’ll stretch it more.
                          1. 0
                            31 October 2012 14: 23
                            Sergh,
                            Kaa,
                            What a fungus men! NAPALM !!!
                            BEST FERTILIZER FOR THIS INFECT !!
                        2. +2
                          31 October 2012 12: 45
                          Kaa,
                          You answered my question that I asked below, I didn’t hear about the fungus, the main thing is that it doesn’t work like in a joke.
                          The grandmother comes to the reception to the gynecologist, he looked at her:
                          "Grandma, you have a fungus."
                          "Oh, this fungus, it has devoured the whole house, now it's up to .... you got there."
                      2. Guun
                        +1
                        31 October 2012 11: 41
                        Slaves and Amer citizens process and collect this muck (of their own free will or under duress).
                      3. Beck
                        -4
                        31 October 2012 19: 02
                        Well, where are the cries of cheers-patriots that amers are engaged in atrocities in Afghanistan?
                        What climb where it is not necessary?

                        When voices sounded here that the amers were fighting in Afghanistan and the Islamic Orthodox, they didn’t want to listen like that. Now here you have the official position of the Russian leadership.

                        1. Russia is interested in the presence of NATO troops in Afghanistan. Since this somehow restrains the orthodox from their influence on Central Asia. Extremization of Middle Asia is not in Russia's interests.
                        2. Russia does not want NATO troops to leave completely after 2014. Otherwise, the situation may arise that at times Russia will have to strengthen its presence in Wed. Asia and possibly in Afghanistan, and this is a big expense.

                        Well, Russia did everything in spite of the cheers-patriots, so there are sensible and sober-minded forces in the Russian leadership.

                        And as for the intensification of drug trafficking, a certain share of responsibility lies with 201 Russian divisions.
                        1. Beck
                          0
                          1 November 2012 08: 55
                          What did they minus without answers? Well, the right answer is no. From the minuses, I’m neither hot nor cold. The main opportunity to speak out, not shoulder straps.
                    2. 0
                      31 October 2012 21: 48
                      Interesting photo. I tried to find the same thing on Yandex maps - it didn’t work ...
                2. Lucky
                  +10
                  31 October 2012 11: 56
                  It seems to me that the Americans did not fail this company !!!! she paid off at all 10000 percent !!!!!!
                  1) the most important volume of drugs has grown 40 times !!!
                  2) in the CIS countries, and to a greater extent Russia, more than one died from them, and more people are taking
                  3) They also earn very well on this !!!!!!
                  Their losses compared to our little things! this is such an invisible war in which we are losing (((
                  1. 11Goor11
                    +1
                    31 October 2012 18: 34
                    in the CIS countries, and to a greater extent Russia, more than one thousand died from them, and more people are taking

                    Strange as it may seem, heroin traffic goes to Europe and America. Our mostly use chemical trash, which is produced in our factories as ordinary medicine.
                3. +2
                  31 October 2012 19: 04
                  the problem is that Afghans make heroin on an industrial scale, you have to worry about this fact, there was such a fact - the world community wanted to recognize the Taliban, but in return they had to destroy the heroin production, which they did before the amers entered ... amers came the production of this shit has increased significantly ...
              2. StrateG
                +2
                31 October 2012 08: 14
                Leaving Afghanistan after 11 years and surrendering Kabul to the Taliban means losing face in geopolitics.


                Only "Plastic" surgery to change "face" will help them.
                1. bagira
                  0
                  31 October 2012 08: 27
                  By separating the head from the torso wink
              3. WW3
                WW3
                +16
                31 October 2012 08: 21
                Photo of a soldier in the middle of a drug field is this a hint? smile Where is the drug traffic from Afghanistan .....
                1. Sergh
                  +3
                  31 October 2012 08: 45
                  Quote: WW3
                  Photo of a soldier in the middle of a drug field is like a hint

                  Yeah, apparently, this would-be fighter is in a stupor from such an award, his thoughts on his forehead can be read like: "... is it really all to me ... is this all mine or what?"
                  1. WW3
                    WW3
                    +3
                    31 October 2012 08: 48
                    So Afghan is only famous for this ...
                    1. bagira
                      0
                      31 October 2012 10: 14
                      Probably for the Afghans, NATO soldiers in full outfit are associated with alien invaders who rob, kill and rape
                      1. 11Goor11
                        +2
                        31 October 2012 18: 39
                        bagira
                        Probably for the Afghans, NATO soldiers in full outfit are associated with alien invaders who rob, kill and rape

                        Afghans look at life much easier:
                        "here's a completely stranger, I'll bang him when I turn away."
                    2. Lucky
                      0
                      31 October 2012 12: 02
                      He’s also famous for the grass and ant!)
                  2. 0
                    31 October 2012 08: 54
                    I’ve been wondering for a long time, haven’t biological or chemical means been developed that effectively destroy poppy crops? To spray from airplanes. Jews are not afraid to launch air strikes against targets that threaten them. Our Air Force would also do well to pollinate the Afghan fields, as amers do in Colombia. Maybe someone in the subject?
                    1. WW3
                      WW3
                      +7
                      31 October 2012 09: 04
                      So these fields are perfectly protected ....
                      1. bagira
                        +4
                        31 October 2012 09: 31
                        Very well guarded smile

                        And here the reinforcements arrived

                    2. bagira
                      +6
                      31 October 2012 09: 33
                      Brussels, March 25, 2010. The NATO bloc refused today to satisfy the request of the Russian side for spraying chemicals over opium poppy crops in Afghanistan, Reuters reports.

                      The North Atlantic Alliance explained its position as follows: if Moscow wants to help control the spread of drugs, it should provide more comprehensive assistance in the fight against Islamic radicals in the region.

                      On the eve of Russia, NATO proposed at a meeting at the organization’s headquarters to receive a UN mandate to destroy crops, the products of which claimed the lives of 30 thousand Russians annually.

                      However, the press officer of the alliance, James Appathurai, said that the drug problem should be solved gradually, without violence against the local population.

                      “We cannot deprive people of their only source of income, who live in the second poorest country in the world, without providing them with an alternative,” he said.

                      Recall that Afghanistan is the world's largest producer of raw materials for heroin - the country accounts for up to 92% of the total potion turnover in the world. Drugs cause the deaths of 100 Afghans every year, and the annual deaths from heroin overdose in the 40 countries participating in the NATO mission in the region are 50 times higher than their military losses.
                      1. WW3
                        WW3
                        +2
                        31 October 2012 09: 44
                        There, only Colombia can only compete with Afghanistan, but the Colombian potion goes clearly in the USA ....
                        1. Lucky
                          +6
                          31 October 2012 12: 04
                          Well, our troops need to be sent to Colombia !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
                          place them there along the border. so that no one bothers Colombia to produce this rubbish and establish business in America, make money and strangle NATO!
                          1. WW3
                            WW3
                            +6
                            31 October 2012 12: 40
                            Quote: Lucky
                            Well, our troops need to be sent to Colombia !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
                            and establish business in America, make money and strangle NATO!

                            Well, you need to talk about this topic with Hugo Chavez - Venezuela is a neighbor and oh how much he does not like Chavez USA bully

                            And there, using the old communist ties through Cuba and organize traffic in the USA!
                      2. +3
                        31 October 2012 11: 15
                        Welcome all. And in my opinion amers themselves sell drugs, and to their own and to other countries. Maybe their whole war is based on drug trafficking? And from there they are not going to leave, because the "business" is well established.
                        1. Lucky
                          +4
                          31 October 2012 12: 06
                          Sell ​​!!!!!!! I have a classmate Kergiz, he has a brother working on a monas base, he says there he loaded boxes of odn crashed and there are white packets, no, maybe it was washing powder))))))
                    3. 0
                      31 October 2012 10: 01
                      I read somewhere that when ours were watered with some chemicals, that the flowers remained and the properties of the drug were lost. It seems so, but I could be wrong
                  3. +3
                    31 October 2012 09: 02
                    Quote: Sergh
                    . is it really all to me ... is it all mine or what? "

                    Hi Sergey, no, he knows for sure that this is his product. He goes to check the grounds that they didn’t steal anything, everything is under control hi
                    1. Sergh
                      +1
                      31 October 2012 11: 21
                      Quote: Alexander Romanov
                      Walking checks the grounds

                      Hello Alexander!
                      Yeah, it’s clear how the nerd checks whether all the sangenti sprouted, whether the soil is sufficiently fertilized, is there enough sunlight for the whole breadwinner? Not fighters, but agronomists.
              4. lm_
                +3
                31 October 2012 08: 44
                Amers in Afghanistan will be self-sustaining and will contain military forces at the expense of poppy fields.
                1. WW3
                  WW3
                  +4
                  31 October 2012 08: 50
                  Everyone feeds with them
              5. Mavsik
                +10
                31 October 2012 08: 49
                America completely lost no face. They perfectly fulfill their task - Ivanov, however, reported a 40-fold increase in drug production. Mortality in Russia from drugs is somewhere around 8000 people a year. These are losses mainly of the young population, which must study, work, give birth to children. Compare with the losses in Afghanistan and Chechnya. It seems to me that the effectiveness of the American presence in Afghanistan is beyond doubt. In addition, there is the possibility of training militants for their further participation in sabotage activities in the Caucasus (or another region).
                1. WW3
                  WW3
                  +3
                  31 October 2012 09: 00
                  So NATO friends joined the common cause ....
                  1. WW3
                    WW3
                    +4
                    31 October 2012 09: 25
                    Democracy is opium for the people! bully A beautiful photo of a NATO lady in the middle of an opium field
                  2. bagira
                    +10
                    31 October 2012 09: 25
                    Look into the eyes of this girl with a gun ... what do you think about what she is thinking now

                    answer options:

                    1. I will protect such a beautiful flower bed until my last breath
                    2. here they will harvest and maybe we will get a salary ... then the contract can be extended
                    3. how many all the same fools of drug addicts are many, such plantations are large -beauties
                    4. when will I be replaced at the post, already sick of this poppy
                    5. I’ll return to a citizen rich face of children and when they grow up and begin to grow dope, I will be proud to tell them how heroically defended heroin fields, for a bright future for their children
                    1. WW3
                      WW3
                      +4
                      31 October 2012 09: 35
                      Female logic however .... wink
                      1. 0
                        31 October 2012 11: 00
                        It would be good to throw all this shyrev directly to the shit-goers so that their entire nation tastes the fruits of the labors of their leaders
                        1. WW3
                          WW3
                          +2
                          31 October 2012 11: 06
                          So it goes there in different ways .... it is mainly in transit to Europe .... to the USA - Colombian through the Mexican border ....
                          1. +5
                            31 October 2012 11: 20
                            It’s not enough, America needs to absorb everything without a trace.

                            Let there be no such things at our place.
                            1. Lucky
                              +6
                              31 October 2012 12: 07
                              LET IT WILL NOT BE AT ALL !!!!
                            2. +12
                              31 October 2012 12: 13
                              Quote: sir.jonn
                              Let there be no such things at our place.


                              By the way, the photo shows the consequences of using desomorphine, colloquially called "crocodile". For its property to deprive a person of limbs. It is a synthetic morphine-based analgesic. Gerych is an expensive product available to wealthy "golden youth". From it a person burns out in 10 years, but from this gadomti it rots alive for 2 years and it costs cheap, so they will add it with all sorts of crap like dishwashing detergent, demidrol and all kinds of deadly nasty stuff.
                              And the most important thing is that in our country a favorable legislative framework has been created for drug traffickers, the Law on Compulsory Treatment has still hovered in the State Duma since April, also article B of the Criminal Code 228 punishes only for sales and distribution, and for use only admin responsibility, usually a fine of 400 rubles . It’s necessary to shoot on the spot distributors and a drug addict for the fence for forced labor. Only so. And on the contrary, criminal cases start on Roizman, How so! Human rights are violated by isolating drug people and from society !. What rights? Rotting alive in the prime of life?
                              But try to introduce, I imagine how all liberalism together with the fifth column will conquer together with the western masters, right up to the inclusion in a number of rogue countries and political, economic and military sanctions. Therefore, the country should be strong and independent of external influence, which, alas, we have reached. And you say to spray the fields, we will destroy the fields, synthetics and other crap will go, Inside you must first understand it hard and then take on Afghanistan.

                              1. +1
                                31 October 2012 16: 37
                                Ascetic,
                                It is necessary to fight this evil in all directions, both at home, and in Afghanistan, and in Central Asia. But for now, we are fighting more with fighters like Roizman.
                          2. Guun
                            +3
                            31 October 2012 11: 37
                            Oh, if you only knew what kind of money is spinning there ... These fields are there like virgin lands in the USSR (even more), and this territory is controlled by the USA and NATO. The Taliban will not do this, the US aviation will fly and burn everything, and it’s not good for them , the Taliban themselves burn these fields bringing colossal income to the United States and NATO.
                            1. +2
                              31 October 2012 12: 03
                              And when do the fields burn before or after the harvest?
                              1. MG42
                                +3
                                31 October 2012 21: 52
                                Fields burn when there will be more smoke.
              6. +1
                31 October 2012 08: 49
                Freedom to the people of Afghanistan! Let them decide how they live.
                1. +4
                  31 October 2012 09: 48
                  to the one who minuses me, when all the foreigners got out of Afghanistan, the poppy plantations were destroyed, and what this means is not necessary to explain.
                  1. 0
                    31 October 2012 11: 31
                    Quote: Forget
                    when all foreigners removed from Afghanistan, poppy plantations were destroyed

                    I didn’t put any minuses, but explain how plantations can disappear if in some areas this is the only way of income and they don’t know how to do anymore. Perhaps just during this period no one was following the process.
                    And on the bill of freedom you are right, it’s better to help them get on a different track than to fight
                    1. +3
                      31 October 2012 13: 08
                      sir.jonn,
                      they have rich mineral resources, their large consumer is China, and they know how to work ..
                      1. 0
                        31 October 2012 14: 04
                        Quote: Forget
                        and they know how to work

                        Without a bazaar, they work fruitfully.
                        The UN Agency on Drugs and Crime said that in 2011, the value of Afghan opium rose by 133%.

                        According to a recent UN report on opium production in Afghanistan, last year local peasants who grow opium poppy earned more than $ 1,4 billion, which is about 9% of the country's GDP, the BBC reports.

                        Experts note that opium prices began to rise in 2010 due to reduced supply. The poppy crop turned out to be significantly smaller due to the fact that the plants were affected by a fungal disease. In 2011, poppy production in areas affected by the fungus began to return to its previous levels.

                        The head of the UN anti-drug agency, Russian diplomat Yuri Fedotov, said opium sales help finance the activities of the Taliban Islamist movement and encourage the spread of corruption in Afghanistan.

                        “Opium accounts for a significant part of Afghanistan’s economy,” Fedotov said.

                        According to a UN report, Afghanistan produces about 90% of the world's opium.
                  2. Islam
                    0
                    31 October 2012 15: 49
                    and if poppy plantations destroyed on what they will live. This is how in Kazakhstan and Russia to abandon hydrocarbon production
                    1. MG42
                      +1
                      31 October 2012 21: 37
                      Afghan dope is the most booming. Valued all over the world. It is clear that they protect countless wealth, a gold mine.
              7. borisst64
                +2
                31 October 2012 09: 09
                And why is Tsarandoy blue machines? Plastic or what?
                1. Sergh
                  +1
                  31 October 2012 11: 38
                  Quote: borisst64
                  Plastic or what?

                  Well, of course, for a long time amers up to the forks in their hands did not give them anything, especially in a training camp. Only proven detachments from Afghans alone, at a great distance there should be an Amer cover group, it also controls them, in a good situation they can give a helicopter, after the operation is completed, Afghans should immediately hand over weapons, taking into account all the ammunition, although the ammunition is sold at any pharmacy stall (figuratively), therefore, even in training, they are given plastic weapons. So the amers themselves rarely fight, more vigil.
              8. 0
                31 October 2012 09: 26
                It seems to me or really, in 2 photos, blue Kalash?
                1. WW3
                  WW3
                  +5
                  31 October 2012 09: 30
                  Then the Afghan fighters got so stoned that the Kalash turned blue laughing
                2. Hauptmannzimermann
                  0
                  31 October 2012 10: 08
                  Greetings, Ak blue is training)))
                3. +3
                  31 October 2012 10: 27
                  These are amers "teaching" military affairs to Afghans (who, if they wish, can, in turn, show such a "master class" to their teachers that .....
              9. 0
                31 October 2012 09: 46
                And I was puzzled by the phrase about our assistance to the leadership of Afghanistan, including the military.
                What's this? If the situation unfavorably develops, will we go there again?
                Honestly, this does not seem unrealistic.
                Putin may well make such a decision (assuming that our Army, unlike the NATO, will really fight drugs)
              10. +1
                31 October 2012 10: 04
                no matter what actions the NATO leadership takes to withdraw troops, our country will still lose, it is in the interests of the United States to weaken our country, no matter what method, drugs or a crowd of fanatics near the borders! They won’t leave to the end, Afghanistan has a very profitable EGP, plus they discovered huge reserves of gold and platinum! America will continue to cultivate both drugs and terrorism!
                1. Guun
                  +1
                  31 October 2012 11: 31
                  There are more and more diamond mines there, but this is nonsense, the sale of a hero is a huge profit for the USA and NATO (the trade in heroine has grown by 40 times or even more).
              11. 8 company
                +3
                31 October 2012 11: 00
                The fact that the Russian leadership began to pursue a pragmatic policy can only be welcomed. Smart leaders fight with their people, and wise leaders with other peoples.
              12. SIT
                +3
                31 October 2012 11: 00
                Afghanistan is part of the overall strategy. The states will not leave anywhere until the issue with Iran is resolved. In 2007, they practiced stripping of the province of Herat. From Herat to Iranian Mashhad 101st airmobile day of work. There are no fortified positions. Then a direct transport corridor to Tehran. You can not enter Mashhad. Just cut it off from the south. And the coalition’s troops will basically withdraw. They will leave mercenaries in their place - PMCs. These thugs do not fit into the number of losses, but they themselves are not limited to any charters or military prosecutors. Their task will be reconnaissance and when the time comes Ch cleansing the bridgeheads for the deployment of shock units. But when Iran is finished, then they will all leave and make room for Muslim brothers, who by that time will be in power from Morocco to Afghanistan under the tacit leadership of the Saudis, which means the US State Department. Then the turn will come of radical Islamization of Central Asia, and beyond it the Caucasus, Bashkiria and Tatarstan, i.e. Of Russia. If by that time the 201st base is not deployed to the size of the army, they will not be able to stop them.
              13. Guun
                +2
                31 October 2012 11: 29
                The author of the articles I want to ask a question, how much was the world drug traffic in Afghanistan before the invasion of the United States and NATO? Notice after the arrival of the United States, drug trafficking increased by 40 or maybe more times. If the amers fought drugs, they would burn the poppy fields with aviation (they are masters of air strikes ). But those who know how the drug business is done will understand that drugs make profits MUCH MORE THAN GOLD! There is interest in obtaining and selling drugs by the NATO and US countries. A pure Afghan heroine of 1 kg costs millions, and from 1 gram you make more than 10 grams of a high-quality heroine .There are no terrorists, there are freedom fighters and husbands who avenge their murdered family! And as for the threat to Russia, this is true. You want to be able to live.
              14. +1
                31 October 2012 12: 09
                25.000 "instructors" - the very thing to control drug production and traffic.
                Talking about Americans being concerned about the standard of living of Afghans can only cause homeric laughter.
              15. wax
                +3
                31 October 2012 12: 38
                I don’t understand what we may face after the amers leave Afghanistan completely. The growth of drug flow? So it was with amers that the growth was forty (!) Times. And the Taliban will have to reduce crops, which they did before the arrival of Amers. The states and the West always impose their enemies on us as enemies. But the essence of politics and recent history only confirms the thesis: friend of the enemy is the enemy, enemy of the enemy is friend. Nothing ideological, pure pragmatism. Why do we play along with the amers and want them to stay there? If they remain, our losses will be greater than if they leave completely. There they will fulfill the role of a military outpost against Russia, cover up the production of drugs, rock Central Asia. Vacuum of power? Whose power? American. Let Afghanistan decide its own destiny, it will not be worse for its neighbors.
                1. vardex
                  +2
                  31 October 2012 14: 26
                  The Taliban do not really encourage the production of poppy, which is why they are terrorists and scum. Amer will continue to increase the derivative of poppy not 40 times and 60 times will be just around the corner. And where it all goes interesting in terms of will be sold to the Russian young generation. Thus amers beat off little of their expenses. The most profitable business is opium ....
              16. Islam
                0
                31 October 2012 15: 47
                I was always amazed when looking at this country, the two most powerful armies of the world (USSR and USA) actually in turn lost to a small group of rebels
                1. +3
                  31 October 2012 18: 00
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                  There, it was not the most powerful armies of the world that were losing or winning, but the most powerful countries in the world were solving their specific tasks on foreign territory. And the "handful of insurgents" only made the solution of these problems more expensive.
                  1. Islam
                    0
                    2 November 2012 20: 07
                    there was no troop deployment and hostilities so by definition this is called war
              17. wolverine7778
                +1
                31 October 2012 17: 01
                The conclusion is correct: the Taliban, who not so long ago declared their “victory” in the war with the Americans, could come to power in Afghanistan very quickly.
                All clear. One question is only what kind of plan (algorithm of actions) does the Taliban have after coming to power to raise the level of the economy, trade, etc.)
              18. Ramldor
                -11
                31 October 2012 18: 09
                SSSR unictojila 2millinov afqan jenwivov, starikov detey .... eto ne zabito ... takje ne zabudetsya to wto tvarilo Amerika ... Ruskiye i Amerikanci eto odno i toje dlya islamskovo mira .... vawi ruki v krov atvetite ...
                1. +3
                  31 October 2012 18: 58
                  Ramldor,
                  And you did not live in the USSR during the Afghan war? Maybe your hands are also in the blood? If you were born after the collapse of the Union, then your parents will have to answer.
                2. Sergh
                  +3
                  31 October 2012 19: 07
                  Quote: Rambldor
                  .... vawi ruki v krovi i vi za eto atvetite ...

                  A ne pojty-li tebe ...? Prosnulcy davno? V Karabahe eto propoveduj, a to pamjt 'korotkaj stala.
              19. mazdie
                0
                31 October 2012 21: 33
                Good article! The conclusion is that do not do it, everything is bad:
                1. They will leave - the Taliban will come (Kirdyk of Central Asia)
                2 Remain, a bunch of drugs, and Americans at hand.
                Poor to choose? Does it depend on us?
                1. MG42
                  +2
                  31 October 2012 21: 45
                  Though they even leave, they will always be there. There simply is nothing to live on.
                2. 0
                  2 November 2012 10: 47
                  Quote: mazdie
                  1. They will leave - the Taliban will come (Kirdyk of Central Asia)

                  When the Taliban were in power, they did not crawl out of their country. We lived by the principle that we don’t touch us, we don’t touch anyone. At the border with them, there was tension only because of drug trafficking and the civil war in Tajikistan. The Taliban returned to the Middle Ages and it suited them. So I don’t think that with their return to Central Asia there will be kirdyk.
              20. DRY
                DRY
                0
                2 November 2012 07: 36
                for Afghans poppy as for Russian potatoes. Survival tool
                1. +1
                  2 November 2012 10: 51
                  In the days of the USSR in Central Asia there was also the problem of poppy fields. That's just the USSR coped with this problem with a comprehensive program for the gradual replacement of poppy with other agricultural crops. It turned out after all. After the collapse of the USSR, they still have not been able (although they could have, under the general collapse and bartak) to restore poppy fields.
                  1. Islam
                    0
                    2 November 2012 20: 10
                    if only the USSR saw what weak states are formed after the collapse, Gorbachev would never have been allowed to eliminate the USSR