Thirty years on: Schools return to basic military training

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Thirty years on: Schools return to basic military training


Delayed reaction


The Ministry of Education of the Russian Federation responds to the challenges of our time. Behind this hackneyed phrase are completely belated initiatives, but it's better now than never.



In the complex of solutions, for example, the weekly class hours "Talk about the important." The idea is positive, but the teacher in this stories acts as a simple relay of materials prepared by the ministry - the script for the lesson, video, some interactive elements and other infrastructure have been developed on the profile site.

Can't the teacher himself convey to the children the truth about the most important things? Apparently, it cannot, since I had to build literally step-by-step instructions.

It is not at all clear why a person needs a higher education if he is provided with a script not only with a teacher's test, but also with questions that are asked to schoolchildren. This is not surprising after decades of the collapse of teacher education and the frank belittling of the status of a teacher, which in no way contributed to the emergence of motivated and talented professionals in the classroom.


A few more innovations from the Ministry of Education. Sergei Kravtsov at the last "government hour" in the State Duma announced changes in the teaching of school history. The official resource of Russian lawmakers duma.gov.ru covers the minister's speech:

“Speaking about the importance of teaching history, he said that the events of today - a special military operation, the entry of new regions into Russia - will be reflected in history textbooks. Sergei Kravtsov also noted that the teaching of both general and national history today is dominated by a Eurocentric approach.”

By the way, until recently, this Eurocentric approach prevailed in all school education. Starting from the most fashionable and, according to some teachers, very progressive teaching practices and ending with borrowings in terminology. How many copies have been broken around "meetups", "hackathons", "pitch sessions" and other heresy planted in the school. Now the situation is changing, but there is a very strong feeling that after the completion of the special military operation, everything will return to normal. However, this does not only apply to schools.

In the meantime, the State Duma suddenly remembered the importance of the teaching profession. Evaluate the passage of the Chairman of the State Duma Control Committee Oleg Morozov:

“The Soviet school teacher, according to the Americans, outplayed them in the fight for space. The Russian teacher today has a more difficult task: he must form a generation that, in a fierce struggle, will ensure Russia's worthy place in the modern world.

Army from school


Before January 1 next year, a school module of initial military training should be developed. Then the stage of approbation in pilot schools, and from September 1, full inclusion in school programs. We'll talk about the nuances of this a little later, but now let's try to figure out why they started talking about NVP only now.

The prerequisites for the return of the school course were back in 2008 in connection with the transition to a one-year military service. However, nothing was done. On the part of the Ministry of Defense, they reduced the number of military departments in universities, canceled part of the deferrals for health reasons and other indulgences. But this only allowed to increase the number of conscripts, but did not affect the quality of training.

A similar situation happened in the Soviet Union in 1967, when the term of service in the army was similarly reduced by one year. But then the Supreme Council returned to schools the NVP course, which had been removed five years earlier.

In total, the Soviet student had to master at least 140 hours of military affairs. History suggested that in 2008 it was required to return the course of pre-conscription training as a school subject. I emphasize, as a separate curriculum with a qualified teacher.

But they left only 35-hour military training for 10th graders. Good idea, but very limited by the specifics of the locality. If there is a military unit nearby, then future conscripts could really feel for themselves what urgent military service is. And in the most exclusive cases, they even underwent a full-fledged training course, including, among other things, six hours of tactical training at once.

According to the plan, tenth graders studied modern combined arms combat, basic techniques, control signals, warnings, as well as the rules and techniques of shooting, and ways of orienting themselves on the ground. For the sake of interest, check with friends of school graduates what they did at the military training camp. Especially for those who were not lucky, and they held training camps with OBZH (physical education) teachers at their school. This is when two or three classes have five AKM models, ten gas masks and a couple of air rifles.

Now they are assuring us that within the framework of the NVP, the guys at the lessons will finally study the design of grenades. Well, why are military fees bad in this case? In the recommended curriculum for grade 10, six hours are allocated to the topic "Fire Training". In the content - the study of the device of the small weapons, hand grenades, preparation of weapons for firing and requirements for throwing hand imitation grenades. The same direction is duplicated in the program of the Yunarmiya movement and specialized cadet classes.

In general, the initiative to return basic military training to school looks more like a political action of the ministry than a real program of action. Like, we can help as much as we can.


Let's be honest - today's school graduates are neither morally nor physically ready for military service. Not all without exception, but the vast majority. Among high school students, there is much more talk about how to get away from the army than about the prospects for military service. The total infantilism of the younger generation has become the norm. Somewhere at this stage, the very vicious circle is launched when young husbands become fathers, cannot bear the burden of responsibility and leave their families. Boys raised by single mothers often grow up like their fathers, infantile, and history repeats itself.

Why are graduates indifferent to military service? You can endlessly blame school teachers, educators, directors and other "teaching staff" for this, but the main responsibility lies with the adopted state policy. The army in the new reading should be predominantly professional, and military service can be abolished for up to 12 months. The education of the officer corps will be carried out by specialized classes, the Yunarmiya, cadet, Cossack, Suvorov and Nakhimov schools. And all will be well. As the past nine months have shown, that is not the case at all.

Now about how it is planned to integrate NP into the educational process. There is simply no place for this subject in the school curriculum. During the change of ministers of education in schools, a couple of completely unnecessary subjects were added - astronomy and the German language. Recently, educational pundits have had enough of a fever of financial and functional literacy, which they plan to teach everyone. So far, fortunately, it has not come to a separate subject. At first, the Ministry had an idea to include NVP in the life safety course, but “they considered it - they shed a tear”. In the subject, even without this, hours are not enough to master elementary survival skills, and here there is also in-depth military training. Of course, you can always set aside a couple of hours for a new module, but this is not our method.

In the end, we settled on the next option. Initial military training will be fully implemented only in the specialized program of life safety of the senior school, which provides for the module "Elements of the NVP". In the basic program, everything will remain as before. Simply put, only cadets, Cossacks and Yunarmiya members will receive military skills. But for grades 5-9, the Ministry of Education does not include NVP in the curriculum at all, but proposes to implement it in the form of an optional extracurricular load. Approximately at the level of school dance and theater clubs.

In total, for the entire period of study, schoolchildren must master at least 335 hours of military training, during which, according to RIA News, "they will study drill, personal protective equipment and first aid, weapons and rules for handling them, the basics of shooting, the use and device of hand grenades, skills in modern combined arms combat, the composition and armament of a motorized rifle squad on an infantry fighting vehicle, engineering equipment of a soldier's position and learn what a single trench is.” Only now it will be an optional extracurricular subject, that is, without grades and final certification. And the payment for teachers will be appropriate, and hence the attitude to the subject.

Under the loud slogan of the impending return of the NVP, many presented an idyllic picture of the mass training of future conscripts in the best traditions of the Soviet school. Now expectations will have to be adjusted.
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  1. +30
    November 20, 2022
    It remains to return the USSR and in general everything will be fine. If the USSR had not been destroyed, there would have been no NWO and many other wars.
    1. +25
      November 20, 2022
      Quote: Sergey Averchenkov
      It remains to return the USSR and in general everything will be fine. If the USSR had not been destroyed, there would have been no NWO and many other wars.

      labeled with a drunk, you need to dig it up and throw it in a landfill. what is happening is their merit. Yes, and the heirs did not disappoint.
      1. +9
        November 20, 2022
        Quote: Aerodrome
        labeled with a drunk, you need to dig it up and throw it in a landfill. what is happening is their merit. Yes, and the heirs did not disappoint.

        True, but judging by the phrase


        A similar situation happened in the Soviet Union in 1967, when the term of service in the army was similarly reduced by one year. But then the Supreme Council returned to schools the NVP course, which had been removed five years earlier.

        Khrushchev must be added to them. It turns out that he was the first to start fighting NVP at our school.
        Campaign, I think that not only the NVP needs to be returned, but also death penalty.
        A country in the conditions of struggle with the collective West should be able to punish criminals and traitors not by liberal, but by old, proven methods.
        Can you imagine that the same Penkovsky would be punished for life imprisonment for treason? The people would not understand.
        1. +8
          November 20, 2022
          Quote: Comrade
          Campaign, I think that not only the NVP needs to be returned, but also the death penalty.

          It's hard not to agree. If Bandera had been identified "to their spiritual father" after the Second World War, then there would have been no collapse, and the current NWO. And now, for frank Ukronazis, an extrajudicial "zeroing" would have pinned its tails on bullying and killing the defenseless.
      2. +16
        November 20, 2022
        Quote: Aerodrome
        labeled with a drunk, you need to dig it up and throw it in a landfill. what is happening is their merit. Yes, and the heirs did not disappoint.

        It all started much earlier. All the characters you listed are nothing more than "parsley" - puppet puppets with a hand in the anus. The real culprits and current owners are those in whose interests the criminal privatization was carried out, those who stuffed public property into their own pockets.
      3. +12
        November 20, 2022
        This will not fix anything, but from the current living elite, it will be very useful to bury someone.
      4. +3
        November 20, 2022
        They must be dealt with as with Grisha Otrepyev. Burn it, load it with ashes into a cannon and fire it from the direction of the West.
    2. +9
      November 20, 2022
      Quote: Sergey Averchenkov
      If the USSR had not been destroyed, there would have been no NWO and many other wars.

      How to say ... Afghan did not organize EBN.
      Now on topic. Astronomy, at the general educational level, can be included in the NVP and partially in the life safety, as orientation in the area, by the stars. The influence of stars on terrestrial objects can also be studied. The rest is for electives and specialized education. Yes, English, as the main language of the enemy, is relevant, both in a colloquial aspect and inscriptions on foreign weapons and equipment.
      I don’t know how it is, but I shot at school for more than two years in the army, and much that I studied at the NVP came in handy in army life. Of great importance is the fact that the teacher was a retired officer. Yes, not all students who have received the knowledge of the NVP will serve in the army, but it is possible that when they get it, this knowledge can save their lives and loved ones.
      1. +10
        November 20, 2022
        Afghan did not organize EBN.
        He organized the drain of our Najibulla, who kept all the spirits in the caves for 3 whole years. And then Afghanistan became what it is to this day - a heroin center. This is the merit of EBN.
        1. +4
          November 20, 2022
          Quote: Aviator_
          He organized the drain of our Najibullah

          EBN merged the USSR, the rest is sad consequences for millions of people and many states.
          1. +2
            November 20, 2022
            the rest is sad consequences,
            The USSR was doomed under a humpback tagged. Now, if humpback could be neutralized, - but history does not tolerate the subjunctive mood. And if EBN had brains, at least like our current president, he would not scatter allies, which was Afghan under Najibullah. And this obkomovskaya drunk was following the orders of the Washington regional committee.
    3. 0
      November 21, 2022
      Remove Article 6 from the Constitution of the USSR and I will vote for it with all my limbs.
    4. 0
      July 17 2023
      Come on! And Afghanistan? And Angola? And Syria? And Egypt? And Vietnam, after all? There will be and always have been. Because good fights evil. And in this struggle, one cannot do without a firm and reliable state ideology! Only now it looks like "beating the tails." All this had to be done the day before yesterday, but today.... Eh!
  2. +3
    November 20, 2022
    They began to give birth less, so we are shaking over the child. Hence the infantilism. The principle of natural selection is gone. As a result, all this leads to a deterioration in the quality of the nation. For example, in the Russian Empire, the aristocracy and the nobility have lost almost everything: the spirit, principles, honor, loyalty, completely swept away. Just like today, in the pursuit of consumerism and the humiliation of our own history, we are on the verge of either dying as a nation or surviving. Maybe this war was given to us as a punishment or to test the spirit ...
    1. +6
      November 20, 2022
      Quote: igorra
      They began to give birth less, so we are shaking over the child.

      in what civilized country - give birth many times more?
      Quote: igorra
      stood on the edge - die as a nation or survive

      Why aren't others with low birth rates afraid of dying out?
      Quote: igorra
      Maybe this war was given to us as a punishment or to test the spirit ...

      she didn’t fall on our heads from the air and has no causal relationship with fertility ..
      let's imagine that we now have 10 million more children in the country and? Are you sure that the people are much better than they are now living? Are there jobs for them? or - all to the village, to the "serfs" to agricultural holdings?
    2. +3
      November 20, 2022
      Quote: igorra
      They began to give birth less, so we are shaking over the child.

      It's an imposed paradigm. The cult of selfishness. And they put it on top.
      1. +1
        November 20, 2022
        Quote: Ingvar 72
        Quote: igorra
        They began to give birth less, so we are shaking over the child.

        It's an imposed paradigm. The cult of selfishness. And forced him from above.

        Central Committee of the CPSU?!
        Won ...from aboveuh huh...
        They began to give birth less in the 1970s.
        When money/cars/dachas/...
        When the dream became
        "I'll buy a car with a tape recorder, sew a suit with a tide and go to Yalta!" (c) DU
        1. +3
          November 20, 2022
          Quote: your1970
          Central Committee of the CPSU?!

          Well, actually, I always said
          that the decadence of the Union did not occur in recent years, the degenerate renegades went to power for a long time. And they are in power today, all as one former members of the CPSU.
          Quote: your1970
          They began to give birth less in the 1970s.

          For example, you would give population graphs, by year. wink
          In addition, under the Soviet Union, the population was taken into account honestly, and today they are trying to cover up the decline by distributing passports to migrants.
          However, I think you know. But you have to earn a salary on a bot farm, right? wink
          1. +2
            November 20, 2022
            Quote: Ingvar 72
            For example, you would give population graphs, by year.

            I judge by my peers. Our grandfathers had 3-4-5-6 children in the 1950s, our parents had 1-2 (3 was already extremely rare).
            "Mother-heroine" in 1970 was already alone in our village .....
            The population of the USSR grew at the expense of the Asian - Caucasian part of the country. The European part of the RSFSR, Ukraine, the Baltic states - 1-2 children.
            And regardless of the bot farm, you personally don’t remember a family with 1970-80 children in your environment in the 5s and 6s ....
            Well, the gypsies - yes, they multiplied. 'Mother heroine' by the 1980s was the only one they received.
            Naturally, after the departure of these regions, the growth fell.
            The anecdote of the situation is that the birth rate is now is Central European - 2 with a child's tail.
            Europe raises the birth rate in the same way - passports.
            Alas, this is reality....
            The presence of a bunch of children has ceased to be a survival factor and has become a burden.
            And it's not about the money...
    3. +6
      November 20, 2022
      You have some extremes, if you want to give your child a normal upbringing, education, ensure normal development (clubs, hobbies, sports, etc.), and at the same time, if you are not an “oligarch” to hire different coaches and educators, then with a responsible approach you need to devote 2-4 hours a day to a child, hence the consequence that an average of two children are born.
      And if everything is exactly who the child will grow up, well, he goes to school there, learns somehow, does something after school, goes somewhere, then yes, you can give birth to 3 or more. With parents in the village in a neighboring house, one lady began at the age of 17 to give birth to 8 children from her and from three different fathers, so maybe it will reach the mother of the heroine.
      1. +3
        November 21, 2022
        Quote from: filibuster
        What are your extremes?

        There are only 2 options - either you give birth to children as you did before the 1960s ("We will feed!! Tea is not hunger and not war ...!") Or as after the 1970s ("Oh, the best thing for a child! To the best school! All the best to her the best!").
        All of Europe gives birth according to 2 principles - however, like us in the mass. What is in Switzerland, what is in Denmark, what is ours. Even China in the mass does not want 2 children anymore
        Everyone in the EU has 2 with a tail ....
        And even the billionaire oligarchs- Christian - Well, no one has more than 5 children.

        And vice versa, where children are needed because of survival - Africa, Latin America, and so on - - 2-3-5 children. There, children BELONG to parents as property. As we did until the 1960s-1970s.
        They screwed up the ear - "it means he was guilty! Parents will not fight just like that!"

        My father-in-law had 11 brothers and sisters. At present, their father would have been imprisoned for life, he beat the children with a stick (from the war after being wounded) and with a whip.
        4 engineers, a chief physician, an accountant, a pre-collective farm, an agronomist - knowledge was hammered into all because no one wanted to study ...

        Because of all this, there will never be many children in our country. The experience of the late USSR confirms that housing was free, and sections, and medicine was already relatively good - and they stopped giving birth
        1. -1
          November 21, 2022
          There are only 2 options - either you give birth to children as you did before the 1960s ("We will feed!! Tea is not hunger and not war ...!") Or as after the 1970s ("Oh, the best thing for a child! To the best school! All the best to her the best!").
          All of Europe gives birth according to 2 principles - however, like us in the mass. What is in Switzerland, what is in Denmark, what is ours. Even China in the mass does not want 2 children anymore
          Everyone in the EU has 2 with a tail ....


          So it is, these phenomena are the same all over the world, the standard of living rises, then the average life expectancy rises, the birth rate decreases, this is especially clearly seen in the example of South Korea, when the country jumped to the nuclear era from dugouts in a generation and a half and grandmother gave birth to 5-8 children, and her granddaughters are already 1-3.

          And even the Christian billionaire oligarchs - well, no one has more than 5 children


          In mathematics, in order to refute the statement, it is enough to give one counter-argument, and here Abromovich has six or seven children, Skoch has ten children, Mordashov has seven children, Altushkin has six children
          1. +1
            November 21, 2022
            Quote from: filibuster
            Abromovich has six or seven children,
            -from 2 wives
            Quote from: filibuster
            Mordashov seven children
            - from 3 wives
            Quote from: filibuster
            Altushkin six children
            - the only one who did with one 6
            Quote from: filibuster
            Skoch ten children
            - yeah, 4 belay at a time. And 2 wives...

            that is, these are all the same maximum 5 children per family. Correlating their incomes with our average, one could assume at least 100-200 children. But no .... even they don’t really want ...
            That is, money does not make weather in reproduction - in general
            1. -2
              November 21, 2022
              - yeah, 4 belays at a time. And 2 wives...


              You checkers or go? Women have also become more than a “man’s friend” for 60 years, and it’s such a pleasure for them to give birth to more than three children alone.

              That is, money does not make weather in reproduction - in general


              Well, no matter how Abramovich did, he had two three wives for a total of four people, they gave birth to seven children. Well, the fact that one woman, even if she has finances, does not want to give birth to seven children alone is quite understandable, not every woman now wants to “lose” at least ten years of her life (very youth) for bearing, childbirth, feeding in the current situation, in the general case, this either a very rich family can afford it, or, on the contrary, a very poor, not prosperous one.

              Here, by the way, Muslim countries with official polygamy and the Muslim part of Russia with non-official polygamy have an advantage, a family of one husband and two wives, easily gives birth to four children, as a result, gives rise to population growth, blocking those married couples who give birth to one or two children.
              1. +1
                November 21, 2022
                Quote from: filibuster
                Shashechki you or go?
                well, what am I talking about
                Quote from: filibuster
                Here, by the way, Muslim countries with official polygamy and the Muslim part of Russia with non-official polygamy have an advantage,

                Quote: your1970
                billionaire oligarchs- Christian


                Quote from: filibuster
                Women have also become more than a “man’s friend” for 60 years, and it’s such a pleasure for them to give birth to more than three children alone.
                - this is one of the reasons - why we will never have many children in Russia ...
                Quote from: filibuster
                either a very rich family can afford it,
                We have discussed this issue. Even billionaires do not have enough money for children feel
                Quote from: filibuster
                because, on the contrary, she is very poor, not prosperous.
                and this question too
                Quote: your1970
                And vice versa, where children are needed because of survival - Africa, Latin America, and so on - - 2-3-5 children. There, children BELONG to parents as property. As we did until the 1960s-1970s.
    4. 0
      July 17 2023
      It looks small, if so. In my opinion, those values ​​that were passed down to us from grandfathers and fathers came to naught when the USSR was sold for an American green devilish piece of paper and souls were sold for it by those on whom the well-being of the Motherland always depended.
  3. +9
    November 20, 2022
    Where do they recruit teachers NVP lead ..
    1. +3
      November 20, 2022
      And before, where they took, at best, a military pensioner, but not everyone usually has a teacher who has served urgently.
      1. +3
        November 20, 2022
        We have enough retirees in the city. Then there were even veterans of the Second World War who had not yet received any benefits - there were too many of them in the early 70s.
    2. +1
      November 20, 2022
      Quote: parusnik
      Where do they recruit teachers NVP lead ..

      Physics with a fizruk will puzzle.
      1. +7
        November 20, 2022
        Military pensioners will not rush to school, work. Especially in the provinces. And in schools, mostly women, there are almost no men at all.
        1. +2
          November 20, 2022
          Quote: parusnik
          Military pensioners will not rush to school, work

          That's right.
    3. +7
      November 20, 2022
      Quote: parusnik
      Where do they recruit teachers NVP lead ..

      Full of disabled people. And the benefit, and people at work, do not drink too much from hopelessness.
      1. +8
        November 20, 2022
        They will encounter documentation and prefer to drink too much from hopelessness. laughing
        1. +5
          November 20, 2022
          Quote: parusnik
          They are with documentation, will face

          These are questions for the organizers. And yes, now many departments are inundated with paperwork, to the detriment of their core activities. Take even education, medicine - they introduced computerization in order to reduce paperwork, as a result, people write both on paper and on a computer. laughing
          1. 0
            November 21, 2022
            ... - Well, you are USED to treat "sys admins" "run, DECIDE, go to ... side, don't interfere!!!" - HIRE "gusters" ... "Dzhamshut kamputer vuidel - .. "do not hit and clean the ladder from the vada clean ..."
            1. +2
              November 21, 2022
              Quote from Sergio CDS
              Well you are used to

              What are you talking about?
        2. +5
          November 20, 2022
          And how unfortunate it is with the rudeness of children to whom nothing can be done now.
          1. +5
            November 20, 2022
            And how unfortunate it is with the rudeness of children to whom nothing can be done now.
            Not everyone will stand it, and who will be indignant, they will point out that you are not teaching children correctly to love their homeland.
    4. +3
      November 20, 2022
      Quote: parusnik
      Where do they recruit teachers NVP lead ..

      Now there will be a lot after the wounds. The main thing is that the psyche remains sane, and the ability to convey knowledge in an organic form.
      1. +2
        November 21, 2022
        Quote: skeptic
        Quote: parusnik
        Where do they recruit teachers NVP lead ..

        Now there will be a lot after the wounds. The main thing is that the psyche remains sane, and the ability to convey knowledge in an organic form.

        К MODERN children? who will post it on TikTok?
        Calm, balanced people out in the classroom break down ...
    5. +3
      November 20, 2022
      I studied so long ago .. Military affairs and physio were conducted by two veterans of the Second World War .. The foreman (regimental scout three torn off fingers on his right hand, in the demobilization photograph in the school on the tunic there are two stripes, light and dark and a star) led physio and not bad, don’t smile - Vasily Ivanovich Chapaev! And the VD was led by Lieutenant Colonel Kolbasyuk, the name and patronymic were already washed out, since at the lessons, comrade lieutenant colonel, let me turn to him .. he started at 44 in Poland, ended the war in Korea.
    6. 0
      July 17 2023
      There are enough teachers! Another thing is that a modern child, a teenager, is already stuffed with an abomination that displaces the concepts of Motherland, honor, conscience, kindness and affirms others: deceive, steal, bribe, kill, if it is beneficial to you!
  4. +12
    November 20, 2022
    In short, as I understand it, they again froze in a half-position, not understanding what exactly they want to achieve. I see vectors possible like this:
    * OR we have NVP - pre-conscription training. Everything is clear there, the materiel of the main weapon, that is, the Kalashmat - a grenade, well, maybe a pistol. And minimal reflexes, such as not directing the barrel anywhere and not removing the safety lock.
    * Military-patriotic education. Sounds good, but never worked, turned into a circus. Helpful in acquiring the ability to sleep with eyes open.
    * Precisely OBZH. The skills of providing medical care are the main and the ability to act in emergency situations. Or at least knowing how to act. For example, do not rush with screams to the first armed man who comes across from the bushes for joy that someone is alive, otherwise they will shoot.
    In short, if you don’t know what you want, it’s better not to do anything at all, even though the money will be intact. And what will happen to football in the country - they won’t understand for 30 years, is it our commerce or the state program for the development of sports? As a result, they don’t earn money, and there are no affordable sports schools.
    1. +9
      November 20, 2022
      Military-patriotic education. Sounds good, but never worked, turned into a circus.

      Not only did it not work, forcibly implanted patriotism turns into its opposite. After 1917, churches were blown up and priests were shot by those who were regularly forced to attend compulsory lessons of the law of God; began to shed tears about that wonderful country) only those who went through the pioneers, the Komsomol (those who did not pass in the country simply were not in commercial quantities), or even were a member of the CPSU.
      I have a school under my windows, since September, as throughout the country, on Monday morning, the flag-raising ceremony has been held. There are several dozen people in the ranks, and most of the schoolchildren at this time hang out around the corner, patiently waiting for the end of this patriotic action. I have practically no doubt that soon teachers will be tasked with driving 100% of students to the ceremony, taking photos and video recording to confirm their presence, and taking measures against malicious deviators from patriotic education - this is how it is with us. Only this will make it even worse.
      1. +1
        November 20, 2022
        That is, that is, I go to work past the branch of the school, I hear the anthem.
        1. +2
          November 20, 2022
          If you still heard what schoolchildren are saying at this moment .... Yes, and teachers. Just not very loud. lol
          1. +1
            November 20, 2022
            Probably the same thing that I do when I hear him at work from the hall for general meetings, which I do not need to attend now lol
            1. +1
              November 20, 2022
              Esssno, we're cultivating patriotism, how else? Okay, at least they don’t include it during the lunch break. And the daily prayer service has not yet been introduced ....
              1. +1
                November 20, 2022
                "And the daily prayer service has not yet been introduced ...."
                Yeah, for now, although if you read a certain little book called the constitution, then we seem to be secular ...
      2. 0
        November 20, 2022
        Patriotic education does not depend on the NVP and the raising of the flag. Its elements should be in all subjects (which is not present now) with the exception of mathematics and biology. We must cultivate love for our people. And these are songs, dances, fairy tales, customs ...
        1. +2
          November 20, 2022
          Better not give an idea - if our schools are instructed to use Russian folk tales in patriotic education, then in a maximum of a year the children will hate them.
          1. +2
            November 20, 2022
            Since school I hate classical music sincerely. And finally, a music lover))) Is that, I remember in the lower grades there was some kind of crap like choreography, or what it was called - I don’t remember ... It’s good that only in the younger ones, but I have a reaction to ballets, like lions on monkeys - I completely lose the gift of articulate speech wassat
            1. +1
              November 20, 2022
              I had a school vaccination received in music lessons for 20 years. Already closer to forty, I began to notice that I was starting to like classical music. I am sure that if it were not for the school, I would have "tasted" the classics much earlier.
              1. -1
                November 21, 2022
                In general, among the students there are many who do not like more than half of the subjects and seem completely unnecessary. Meanwhile, with regard to songs and dances in particular, almost all people participate in this all their lives at various weddings, births and other gatherings. And at the same time, many people do not know how to do this in adulthood, although for some it is not given from birth. Just because it was taught, it cannot be taught. And what is more important for a young man going to the dance and taking 150 for courage: to be able to dance or walk properly drill?
    2. +1
      November 20, 2022
      The author is very strange.
      completely unnecessary subjects - astronomy and the German language.

      German and English are the most important subjects. Knowledge of the language is the ability to read technical and other literature, in the first place.
      But what needs to be thrown away is "literature". It was introduced to force peasant children from the hinterland, who do not have a single book in their hut, to read at least something. Now it is not relevant, and understanding the context of the works of the 19th century requires a very good knowledge of the history of that period. Therefore, reduce "literature", remove the "foundations of priesthood", and additional hours will appear on "Shooting" and separately on NVP.
      Moreover, shooting is taught from complex to simple. Let me explain - a pistol shooter will quickly master both a machine gun, a rifle, and a machine gun. Since it is more difficult to shoot while standing, and the pistol requires the best coordination, since there is no support for the stock on the chest. Shooting prone from a bag is simply forbidden in schools, as this is a way to pass the standard "for show". But in reality, bag shooting is the lot of snipers, who will be taught separately anyway.
      Additionally, the savings factor. A 25m pistol range and a lot of Margolins or IZH30s are cheaper than decent rifles.
      The "ten" pistol target is 25m more than the spread of even a cartridge with a black sleeve, so cheap cartridges are very suitable. A 10-ka rifle at 50m - involves high-quality cartridges with good accuracy.
      I propose initially, in the 6th grade, to learn to shoot from a pneumatic IZH46m, but at 25m at a target number 4 for MK. According to the author's experiments, bullets fly and pierce paper, and the spread is acceptable. But the 46th is safer in terms of injuries, a hand-to-hand only injures a comrade, and a school nurse can also pick out a bullet.
      Ideally, in the 8th grade there should also be a compulsory subject "driving" with passing on A and B, or B and C, so that obtaining a license is an integral part of the certificate.
      It is logical to combine all sorts of "social science" and "history" into the "History of technology and wars." Such a subject will give a more complete understanding of the development of mankind, and the interrelationships of history. The current textbook, which goes through different countries sequentially as a bunch of dates, does not provide an understanding of the interconnection of events.
      NVP is precisely military training. Not walking in formation, but the tactics of fighting small groups in difficult terrain. Gas mask - mastered in less than an hour, in the sense of learning which box against which stench (useful in civilian life)
      It’s unrealistic to teach tankers or rocket men at school anyway, but you can give the basics. Although for the same tanker, these skills will come in handy if you survive after leaving a wrecked vehicle, or when attacking a PVD of an enemy who has broken through.
      How many hours it will turn out on the NVP is unknown. Here it is necessary to shake up the program, as well as the physical education program. Which actually can come down to running, obstacle course and other things that are part of the NVP. Well, for girls, it’s not just all sorts of exercises, but to say directly what is what for - a strong ass or a thin waist, so that there is motivation to do it.
      1. +2
        November 20, 2022
        Quote: eule
        But what needs to be thrown away is "literature".

        Woo... That's five...
        * General cultural development is EXCLUSIVELY literature. Without it, one can only become an educated person, but not an educated person.
        * You cannot learn any language without literature. In the best case - at the level of slang gates.
        * The ability to coherently express your thoughts - will not come in the lessons of algebra or astronomy. Now, on the contrary, it is necessary to increase the hours of literature, otherwise they have already slipped into SMS communication.
        But about the shooting ranges and the tactics of small groups ... About the shooting ranges - yes, and I agree with everything, the tactics of small groups ... No, this is aerobatics))) A reconnaissance squad from boys can’t be trained anyway)))
        1. +2
          November 21, 2022
          Let me explain my position. When I was tormented at school, then the authors of the 19th century, the nobles, passed on "literature". It is extremely difficult to understand their works at school age, in terms of the motivation of the characters and their characters. "love suffering" someone is not easy to understand 10 - 12 year olds. And during the study time, attempts to memorize the "characteristics of the characters" for the teacher and answer, as she demanded, were occupied.
          Why the hussars were drunkards and lechers, I read at a very mature age - intelligence units. "Detachments of hussars were sent to villages A, B, and C. The hussars did not return from B, which means there is an enemy"- a phrase from the report. That is, suicide bombers, they were even exiled to the hussars. But this fact is not in the school curriculum.
          Yes, it is necessary to read the "classics of Russian literature", but as extracurricular, and without tests about Pecherin's motivation. Or about Pierre, who wanted to stab Napoleon and be heroically killed after that. I did not understand this self-made shahid then, and I do not understand now.
          There are a lot of authors who wrote interestingly, and something is remembered for the future. Cherkasov - instead of Turgenev. Why do children need to cram how they drowned a dog there? But to remember from Cherkasov ways of orienteering in the mountains or survival in the forest, if lost, it will come in handy. And it is written in beautiful literary language.
          There are many historical books and memoirs, which are beautifully written and contain a lot of useful information. Suddenly remembered and useful?
          So it's easier to give tasks to read some books in the programs of other subjects. In "natural history" reading Efremov's stories and a report about Mongolia will not hurt, in the course "History of technology and wars" the memoirs of Grabin and Heinrici will come in handy. In physics, extracurriculars demand to read the memoirs of Manfred von Ardenne - an example of how to live and work, there is a good one for children. That is, the school curriculum may include more well-written books, and additional hours for a second foreign language, for physics, chemistry.
          1. 0
            November 23, 2022
            Not against literature at all. It is needed, well, maybe not in this form. However, Tolstoy's "War and Peace" is not for all students. She got me personally. Especially the abundance of expressions in French. All the same, somehow it should be more accessible.
      2. +4
        November 20, 2022
        Quote: eule
        German and English are the most important subjects. Knowledge of the language is the ability to read technical and other literature, in the first place.

        so it is, but why German? all documentation is duplicated in English, otherwise let's introduce French with Spanish and Chinese .. despite the fact that there is also a tendency to languages ​​​​or there is or not and they will definitely not be engineers .. two FLs at school are stupidity, at least one English well taught..
        1. +1
          November 21, 2022
          Quote: Level 2 Advisor
          why german?

          A huge amount of technical literature is written in German and is either not translated, or the translation is copyrighted and difficult to access. And the same physics textbooks of the 1930s in German are easier to understand than the current ones.
          1. -1
            November 21, 2022
            in the case you described, there is logic, but you will need to read technical documents in German in life, at best 1% of schoolchildren, since this is not even an engineer level, but an excellent engineer in a very serious production or near a scientist, moreover, from this 1 % half of the inclination to study will not be and they will still learn it somehow .. and for this less than 1% - all 99% should spend their resources on learning a language they do not need? but almost everyone will definitely need English .. I wrote - then let's learn Chinese - there is even more technology from there ..
    3. -1
      November 20, 2022
      Quote from Bingo
      In short, if you don’t know what you want, it’s better not to do anything at all, even though the money will be intact.

      Let me disagree. Whoever wants to, he will learn (especially with the understanding that this can save his life). The main thing is to present the information correctly.
    4. +4
      November 20, 2022
      Forcibly imposed patriotism, coupled with jingoistic courses, programs on TV and on the Internet, is the main problem. Because it causes only rejection and nothing more.
      You can't force a person to love their homeland.
      It is necessary to create such living conditions that people are ready to protect them.
      And this is not only about a full refrigerator and finances, but also about social justice and power, which takes into account the opinion of the people.
      1. +3
        November 20, 2022
        Yes, everything is easier - to teach to think. A thinking person will not thunder into a sect, whether they are moons or bulk. Their ideology does not stand up to any logic, if you know how to add 2 + 2, then you just laugh at them, the effect is just the opposite. And if you are a fool in life, then any idea will be hammered into the herd on the Maidan, such as pay and repent
        1. +4
          November 20, 2022
          No offense, but I think that teaching most people in the country to think is something beyond the realm of possibility.
          In any case, they will think not with their own thoughts, but with what they impose from the outside.
          1. -1
            November 20, 2022
            This is a difficult question, but it is possible that a society where there are too many potential leaders, or at least people inclined to independent judgment, will turn out to be critically unstable. Too much pluralism of opinions, too little controllability. In a word, a situation opposite to the current one, when the right to make decisions and even influence the mechanism for their adoption and implementation is concentrated in a very small group, and all the rest are only transmission links of a certain vertical, or even faceless extras. The optimal situation would be somewhere between these extremes, but the balance can only be found through experience. In addition, it is dynamic, when the ratio of pluralism, individualism, on the one hand, and collectivism, unity, on the other, will very much depend on the specific conditions for the existence of society at a particular historical moment.
    5. 0
      July 17 2023
      I have two adult grandchildren and an adult granddaughter. So, they shouted with one voice that OBZh is a shameful city, but that did not give them anything! And the NVP does not begin with the study and disassembly of the AKM, not with shooting at the shooting range, not with drill exercises and the study of the Combined Arms Charters of the Armed Forces, but with the education in a small person of love for the Motherland, for his home, for nature, for animals, for respect for work , to the elders and the Teacher. And about the teacher in general, with a capital letter. A teacher is an indisputable authority in the eyes of children and their parents. And it is unshakable. You need to educate a citizen of the country, in fact, from the cradle. A growing child should absorb everything that surrounds him with his mother's milk, remember, love, cherish, respect and honor, and be proud of his country. But for this, the country must have a cold mind, a warm heart and clean hands. "And this is indispensable without repression against various kinds of scoundrels. Either we reach this level, or we will be torn to shreds and turned into slaves!
  5. +7
    November 20, 2022
    In my school, Novomoskovsk, Tula region, NVP was taught until 2008, according to USSR textbooks. However, Dima came and said good. The fizruk gave the diluted ak74 tackles for the mower. , now come to their senses. And how to remake the brains of children now, especially boys who dress in fashion like girls? The first business of the family, but when the father and mother do not care what their child does (perhaps they do not get out of work, paying the mortgage), then a liberal grows up, with his own opinion on life, dictated by Tik Tok, YouTube and other shit.
    1. +1
      November 20, 2022
      Quote from: Menshoff_D_V
      In my school, Novomoskovsk, Tula region,

      Oh, the land ... From which school is that?
      1. +1
        November 20, 2022
        Gypsum, school number 14. However, we know how to educate defenders of the Fatherland. An example of this is Maxim Rezko. God bless his soul. Blessed memory of Maxim.
        1. 0
          November 20, 2022
          Repko was printed. I apologize
          1. +1
            November 20, 2022
            Quote from: Menshoff_D_V
            Plaster, school number 14.

            edge. I'm from the 19th. I studied in the ninth. We had a shooting range in the basement.
            1. 0
              November 20, 2022
              Not anymore, my nephews studied there. And Dedok led a specific NVP with them.
  6. +6
    November 20, 2022
    The Duma outlined a lot of things. In Soviet times, a lot was also done for show. In the late USSR, the Youth Army, Komsomol members did this ... A law is expected to allow teenagers from the age of 14 to work. This was also the case in the USSR. But there were evening schools there. There were organizations for labor protection for teenagers. I myself turned to such an organization when they began to use me not in my specialty. They made such a rustle. We are all in the clouds. Uncle will come and make life the way it should be. In vain.
    1. +1
      November 20, 2022
      and now you can work from the age of 14. True, a lot of paperwork is needed - from parents, from guardianship, part-time, a limited number of professions, and so on. Therefore, legally no one wants to get involved, and so - you can, even now.
      https://hh.ru/article/23828
  7. +6
    November 20, 2022
    Everything will depend on which ministry will supervise the NWP in educational institutions, who, and most importantly how, will relate to the work. I remember my military instructor, Captain Babenko Vitaly Dorofeyevich, even today, although more than fifty years have passed since then, which I cannot say about other teachers whom I remember either by last name or by "nickname".
  8. +10
    November 20, 2022
    The idea is good, but completely unrealistic. The NVP in the Union relied on a trained personnel system, the availability of a training base and, most importantly, the material part. Weapons were removed from schools after "black October" -93. There is no chance that he will be returned there.
    Without all this, it will just be a waste of money and a bunch of pointless work for endless checking bureaucratic organizations.
  9. -1
    November 20, 2022
    modern school graduates are neither morally nor physically ready for military service. Not all without exception, but the vast majority

    The author, so these lessons will become another weight as opposed to infantilism, what's wrong with that? But what the program needs to correct is 100%. Here in Israel, both girls and boys go to the army for different terms of 1,5 / 2 years, but some even for 3 years.
  10. +12
    November 20, 2022
    Excuse me, but what - some "innovations" of Putin's rule were implemented differently than on paper? No, of course, when it comes to oil, gas or metal, everything is clear and fast. But all those "May decrees", messages, strategies for 2020 and other "orders" - did things go further than talking shops and formal reports? So it will be with the NVP, as with demonstrative "victories" in exercises and real "successes" in the NWO. And if Putin, at the age of 50, limited everything to a talking shop, then what, at 70, a "breakthrough" will suddenly happen!?
  11. +3
    November 20, 2022
    Perhaps the most sane article on the topic of education in VO in recent years. Like other subjects, NVP will be studied "for show".
    In order to have real training, it would be correct to use the experience of Israel and China.
    Article No. 59 on the Defense of the Fatherland must have a real content. The commission should evaluate as publicly as possible: skills with AK, cross-country, knowledge of military history, civil defense theory, etc. Those who have not completed real military service should be banned from any state. service ("scientific companies - no credit").

    ps In the current realities, the NVP is an absolutely empty "optimization" of the second year of service.
    1. +5
      November 20, 2022
      First, you need to rethink the content of military service, and regardless of its duration - a year, or two, or ten. NVO showed that conscripts cannot be sent to war as a way to prepare prepared the reserve is not worth a penny - when this reserve was needed, it was not there. Primary training before the subsequent service under the contract? So the combat effectiveness of the contract army was also near zero. Yes, and the question itself is a one-year military service, which many demand to be extended to two years, and the right to conclude a contract, with the transition to the category of "professionals" after 3 months ... Some kind of split consciousness turns out, better known under the term schizophrenia.
      So what was the meaning of "urgency"? In the form in which it exists now - there is no sense, and a stupid increase in the service life will not change anything.
      1. +5
        November 20, 2022
        Quote: UAZ 452
        So what was the meaning of "urgency"? In the form in which it exists now - there is no sense, and a stupid increase in the service life will not change anything.



        I absolutely agree. hi Since the time of the late USSR, the army has been turned into a "military vocational school" with the exception of individual units. Here comes the war. And it turned out that a large country does not have a mass army. There are CTO specialists and "partisans".
        Yes, and the officer corps for decades was formed from seekers of social privileges.
        Such a "term" is meaningless. In the army, people must learn every day to survive and kill, to live in conditions of cruel responsibility. The modern conscription service only imitates these tasks.
        1. +5
          November 20, 2022
          I definitely upvote. Including the fact that it did not begin in 2000, nor in 1991, nor even in 1985. Now myth-making about the great, powerful and generally sacred USSR, which was deceived and betrayed by several traitors who started perestroika and ruined a great country, is very popular. But the truth is that by the 70s the USSR had already become a caricature of earlier versions of itself. Gorbachev, Yeltsin and others like them are not an anomaly, but a natural product of the development (degradation) of the top leadership, and the degradation was by no means only at the highest level. Returning to the topic of the article, by the 70-80s, that NVP, that patriotic education degenerated into fraud and work "for show", and it is this option that is now being revived for something.
      2. +3
        November 20, 2022
        +
        All these calls for an increase in military service to two years are just nonsense.
        Instead, it would be better to completely reformat it, so that conscripts are REALLY prepared for combat operations, without a senseless **chka on the parade ground, with stepping and other joys of life.
        To accept modern realities, to involve veterans of the Northern Military District in training sessions, to hold consultation events, and so on.
        For a year of daily, SERIOUS, taking into account the modern realities of war, training, excellent specialists can be trained.
        1. +1
          November 20, 2022
          Yes, we will not have this, as it was not, systematically, and in the Union. I myself would be glad of this, but this should take place exclusively in the category of mrias of varying degrees of humidity. Alas...
  12. -3
    November 20, 2022
    Quote from Bingo
    As a result, they don’t earn money, and there are no affordable sports schools.

    Gazprom is looking at you with a Leninist squint. and schools .. here I can see two from the windows. hockey and football. there are loads of kids. hockey players even have an indoor ice rink. 15 minutes walk - basketball and volleyball, a hefty complex (he worked there as a child) and another ice rink. you're escalating the situation a bit.
    1. +4
      November 20, 2022
      Quote: Sadok
      as many as two. hockey and football.

      How much does it cost per month? wink
    2. 0
      November 26, 2022
      Do you live in the Mother See, or in the provincial outskirts of Moscow? No need to extrapolate your meager experience to the whole country.
      1. 0
        November 27, 2022
        in the castle ... in St. Petersburg, on one of the islands
  13. Eug
    +3
    November 20, 2022
    We had an amazing Voenruk - a former course officer of the KhVVKIURV named after Krylov, at the age of 15 he fought, after being transferred to the reserve he became a military instructor. The only negative - instead of a variety of physical education in grades 9-10, there were only gymnastics (bars, horizontal bar, "horse", ""), running (1000 and 3000), throwing grenades from physical exercises. Moreover, he showed himself all the exercises on the horizontal bar and parallel bars! Well, he taught us the Statutes so much that I had no problems with them either at the institute training camp or when passing tests in the army ....
  14. +8
    November 20, 2022
    Somewhere at this stage, the very vicious circle is launched when young husbands become fathers, cannot bear the burden of responsibility and leave their families. Boys raised by single mothers often grow up like their fathers, infantile, and history repeats itself.

    I'm afraid to ask, but when the head of state from the generation that collapsed the USSR gets divorced, where should this be attributed?
  15. 0
    November 20, 2022
    We had NVP at school, assembly, disassembly of AK, a yellow first-aid kit. And, of course, about Atomic weapons.
    1. 0
      November 20, 2022
      Quote: Mikhail Kononov
      cover the machine with yourself so as not to melt. Because the machine costs money

      You were not taught correctly. The barrel of the machine gun must be pushed forward so that the falling drops of hot iron do not spoil the boots.

      Quote: Mikhail Kononov
      and of course about atomic weapons

      Can you name six factors of a nuclear explosion from memory? laughing
      1. +2
        November 20, 2022
        Just you were not taught correctly the machine gun is more expensive than boots. wink
        Quote: Boris55
        Can you name six factors of a nuclear explosion from memory?

        Nope. Only five. I forgot about light radiation. We focused on what kind of shelter is better and how to lie down correctly))))
        1. +1
          November 20, 2022
          And here it is not. Boots are the face of a soldier. And window dressing in our troops, apparently, is still more important than real training
      2. 0
        November 21, 2022
        Quote: Boris55
        six factors of a nuclear explosion, from memory

        Light and thermal radiation, X-rays, neutrons, EMP
        Shock wave in air and/or ground
        Fallout
        Oh, I only remember three!
    2. 0
      November 20, 2022
      sooooo funny
      ,.......................
  16. +1
    November 20, 2022
    already introduced astronomy, so what? and who will teach?
  17. +1
    November 20, 2022
    I don't want to comment on how it is possible to teach NVP in our schools with a peculiar attitude of the authorities towards such innovations, but the situation is as follows: NVP, as far as I understand, is planned to be introduced in grades 10-11. But in our country, basic general education is compulsory - 9 classes (secondary education was compulsory in the USSR), as a rule, those who plan to enter universities go to receive secondary education, the majority is eliminated after the 9th, namely those who did not go to the 10th grade mostly go to serve in the army. Question: For whom are we going to introduce NVP?
  18. PPD
    +3
    November 20, 2022
    If we reduce the completely unnecessary nonsense in schools, which for some reason was introduced by "smart people" - there will be a lot of time. Yes
    1. +2
      November 20, 2022
      Teachers (and especially school leaders) will give two hands for any kipish that will add teaching hours to them, which means money. Under this case, the talk about the need for a 12-year (13, 14, etc. summer) secondary education will again begin.
      1. PPD
        0
        November 20, 2022
        And now the idea has been sent to schools - they should earn money themselves.
      2. 0
        November 20, 2022
        Not in this case. You missed the issue of injury risk or its absence from the "watch". Accordingly, they made an absolutely wrong conclusion.
        1. +2
          November 20, 2022
          In this case, I did not mean NVP (there is its own teaching staff, for classical teachers it is more competition for the hours mentioned), which is interesting only for the directorate of schools and even higher authorities, but patriotic education, which will be hung on class teachers, historians and, if they are not enough, on all the others. Paid class hours, for which you don’t even need to prepare - everything is formalized and directed from the very top, many teachers will like it, in any case, it won’t cause much rejection. And what? You open the manual and spit it exactly on it. Even the vocal cords do not need to be strongly strained - anyway, no one listens, and digestibility control is not provided.
  19. +1
    November 20, 2022
    For my part, I would like to note. - With the allocation of funds, this is possible. However:- 1. This work requires a material base (if funds are available, this is the time for the purchase)
    2. Remuneration of the teacher .. there will be no payment, there will be a formality. It should be a separate article, like a class guide.
    3. Availability of time and motivation of students. Here it is necessary to stop in more detail. The parallel of learning, which implies the availability of time, should not coincide with the graduation class (i.e., not 11 and not 9, and of course not 4)) Let's be realistic - they already have little time to prepare for exams (which means that the motivation for electives will be minimal) . 10,8,7 remain, because in the sixth their behavior is lame, due to age characteristics, and earlier they were not physically ready. Now about motivation. The problem of motivating senior classes is not only and so much in "infantility", although it exists to a certain extent. Basically, the problem is that children already understand what they need in our world - this is future material security. And NVP to achieve this (and even in the form of a circle) is not necessary .. There are two solutions here (within the framework of the existing economic model of the country). Carrot and stick. A whip is a real benefit for entering a university. Something like adding points when passing exams (I haven’t worked it out yet, but this is a purely technical point). not interesting, but necessary. Gingerbread is a playful form of learning, but it is only suitable for 7th and, partially, 8th grade. It is in the 8th grade, according to my observations, that most children begin to understand what they need in life. I want to note that "infantilism", as the author of the article points out, manifests itself in boys precisely in this parallel. there are more girls who want to conditionally disassemble ak (this is interesting), although not more than 25-30 percent. from the total. In the 7th grade, almost all the boys are still interested in "weapons", because they see it as a game ..
    I consider it expedient in the circumstances that have developed at the moment to conduct NVP as an elective only in the 7th grade in order to achieve maximum effect.
  20. +1
    November 20, 2022
    I managed to get stronger NVP, first a young shooter, then a well-aimed shooter, and on the key I blurted something there, I don’t remember anything right now, but I still shoot not sour))) with pistols
    1. +2
      November 20, 2022
      In my school in the mid-80s, there was no talk of pistols - once small things were brought from the military registration and enlistment office and they were allowed to shoot 5 rounds. For the rest - drill, charters, memorizing the states of SMEs and TB, put on and take off a gas mask, learned to assemble and disassemble a chilled AK, yes.
      1. +3
        November 21, 2022
        I was accustomed to Kalash from the age of 10, my dad was a major in a very difficult part so that I wouldn’t hang out after school, dragged me to my place and instructed my grandfathers, and there I didn’t let go of this AKM for hours, I liked it)))
  21. +3
    November 20, 2022
    IMHO. how many such initiatives and projects have already been? Wow.
    And where are they all? The market has decided. The bureaucracy has spoken.
    The same people who proclaimed "we need a consumer, not a creator" will now introduce military training?

    So nothing will be implemented. Because armed, literate people - a danger to power. Therefore, the Russian Spring was frightened, turned, kicked out from everywhere.
    And now there are no People's Orthodox Cossack militias. There is EDRO and its officials.
    Rogozin in the NATO body kit and the deputies of the Duma are PR in the media, not the commanders of the detachments ....
  22. +3
    November 20, 2022
    Oh well. Anti-Soviet state, wants to introduce Soviet principles of education. And the annual "camouflage" of the mausoleum of V.I. Lenin, and the annual parades on the day of the next date of the Socialist Revolution, under camouflage names, and the monuments and the museum to anti-Soviet ......... Another profanity from hopelessness.
  23. +1
    November 20, 2022
    In the recommended curriculum for grade 10, six hours are allocated to the topic "Fire Training". The content includes the study of the design of small arms, hand grenades, the preparation of weapons for firing and the requirements for throwing imitation hand grenades. The same direction is duplicated in the program of the Yunarmiya movement and specialized cadet classes.

    That's just the point, that is duplicated. If your child has nothing to do with
    movement "Yunarmiya"
    then he will take it as part of the mandatory program, if he is a participant, he will fix this material again, what is the problem is not clear?

    completely unnecessary subjects - astronomy and German

    now each morozmatic author will determine which subject is needed and which is not? If the subject is provided for by the Federal State Educational Standard, then it is needed, if you think otherwise, go ahead to the Court and challenge its introduction ....
    In college I had an NVP, Physics, within which I got out to study Astronomy and the German language, none of these subjects competed with others.

    But for grades 5-9, the Ministry of Education does not include NVP in the curriculum at all, but proposes to implement it in the form of an optional extracurricular load.

    He does the right thing, a student in grades 5-9 should receive fundamental knowledge, not applied knowledge ....
    Yes, and uncomfortable questions to the NVP teacher may arise, for example:
    - why, thanks to our Ministry of Foreign Affairs, we have only enemies along the perimeter of the Russian Federation, like the RSFSR / USSR in the 20s;
    - why, 30 years after the collapse of the Union, does our military-industrial complex still make infantry fighting vehicles / armored personnel carriers as for the mobilization army (SA) without mine protection and bulletproof armor?
    Schoolchildren can easily find both our and Western primary sources to understand that they are being lied to ....
    Therefore, one single subject "Military Science or the Basics of Military Affairs" must be introduced into the school curriculum, uniting four blocks:
    - LIFE SAFETY FUNDAMENTALS;
    - NVP;
    - military history (history of wars);
    - military political science, for the last two blocks of this subject, up to 70% of the time should be spent on self-study by schoolchildren, the first two blocks, on the contrary, should consist of 70% of practical exercises and study in the classroom ...
    For ordinary classes, the first two blocks of the subject are subject to assessment, the last two by type - pass / fail, in specialized classes all blocks must be assessed with a preliminary writing of an essay on each of them .....
    The last two blocks will closely intersect with history, economic geography, law and other subjects of the school curriculum....
    The first two blocks of a single subject should gradually become more complicated, the other two should be added after the student has studied Geography and History, accompanying the student (college, technical school student) until he receives a secondary general and / or secondary vocational education ...
    Financing the study of this subject, development and saturation with methodological recommendations, instructions, textbooks, salaries of teachers, material resources, etc. should be carried out only by the Russian Federation as a separate line in the military budget .... not subject to change down ...
    Teachers, doctors, psychologists and the military will decide for themselves from which class to introduce this subject for study ....
  24. +3
    November 20, 2022
    I agree with the author's concerns. There will be no NVP but a pathetic parody for the sake of form. The desire to actually do something useful in this direction among the officials of the Ministry of Education is completely invisible from the word, but this is not surprising, there is complete rot. It is necessary not to return the Soviet NVP format, but to take a step forward, to create the format of full-fledged military field games with maximum involvement and excitement, and not reprint outdated training manuals.
  25. +1
    November 20, 2022
    All this is complete profanity and nonsense. The Ministry of Education is doing everything to let out of the school those who know nothing (according to our criteria), who are not able to work physically and mentally qualified consumers. "Institutions" ("universities") only reinforce these unhelpful skills (at least most). Such graduates of the army will not be useful. This is what I call "sabotage".
  26. +4
    November 20, 2022
    And how long has astronomy become an unnecessary subject? Half of the adult (!) population of the country believes that the Earth is flat in all seriousness! And this NVP in the modern world and the education system will be another poultice to the dead. I can imagine what kind of accountability will appear if this discipline is introduced ... I, a relatively healthy man, worked at school for a year after retiring - and ran away from there, cursing everything in the world! In the service, these damned pieces of paper got to the liver - and at school there are even more of them! And you will not send, as in the service, no one to three cheerful letters, one woman around.
  27. +2
    November 20, 2022
    Extracurricular activities... This is called return?! A year of military service ... In a year, without NVP at school, is it possible to teach a fighter something at all? Only make square snowdrifts in parts. Fighting is definitely not taught.
  28. 0
    November 20, 2022
    A labeled with a drunk should be cremated in the Yeltsin center. You can kill three birds with one stone.
    1. +2
      November 20, 2022
      You can kill three birds with one stone.


      The fourth will remain, and they have grown a replacement for themselves.
  29. 0
    November 20, 2022
    In the complex of solutions, for example, the weekly class hours "Talk about the important"

    Waste of flesh. All this will be just as useful for understanding the essence of the issue as healthy speeches about communism from the time of Leonid Ilyich. Great background to crochet or play "zombie farm".
    Even for the most hard-headed people in the 21st century, it would seem to be clear that REPRESENTATIONS and ATTITUDE in people are formed mainly through TWO DIRECTIONS - contact with reality and contact with culture. Contact with reality is unlikely to set up a patriotic majority of the population - for this is the contemplation of stagnation, fraudulent propaganda and unfulfilled promises (and so on and so forth). In view of this, the so-called "cultural impact" remains - for which it is necessary to stuff the people with a quality product, actively rubbing them that everything is "well done. In proportions 4 by 4 by 2. Or 4 by 3 by 3. By cultural product, I mean the creation of INTERESTING and NON-OBJECTIVE PATRIOTIC films, series, games, documentaries. Writing books, songs, campaign posters, exhibitions and cultural installations. But as a rule, this is the lion's share of film production. So that the "People" with bated breath was waiting not for a new part of the "Avengers" but for a domestic craft, leaving a comparable emotional and aesthetic imprint.

    Then yes, they will absorb it, it will be interesting for them, and on a subconscious level they will "lay down" about greatness-respect and other linden. And if they are taught an hour a week to mumble it in a monotonous voice - for them it will be a dull garbage that you just have to let through yourself. The way they pass through advertising, political agitation and just useless information.


    Let's be honest - today's school graduates are neither morally nor physically ready for military service. Not all without exception, but the vast majority. Among high school students, there is much more talk about how to get away from the army than about the prospects for military service.

    What we sow, we reap. When you make soup with an ax, it tastes like an ax, and that makes sense, damn it! We have grown the most indifferent and pacifist-intimidated society, so we got it. Teenagers do not know how to shoot and do not have the opportunity for the most part to learn how to shoot. The legislation of our country is very willing to crush the contingent that in the United States could be sent along the military-sports line. Here we have what we have. "There is nothing to blame on the mirror" (c).
    Now for people, loot is a priority, because for many years they were promised that we would “live”, but somehow they didn’t come out alive. And therefore a person needs to study and work so that he has a chance for this. And not a year or two to do "at-two left-right". This is how we organized everything - here we are at the point of contemplation of what we built. The younger generation catches from the state what is "important" and what is "garbage" and make the same choice that the state itself makes. Choice of bobble and selfishness.

    I already wrote - all these "inserts" of NVP at the moment will be just for beauty. It is necessary to radically reshape the arr system itself, and the legislation, by the way.
  30. +1
    November 20, 2022
    Brad of a madman, I'm wondering at the expense of what items will the squandering of funds be carried out by imitation of NVP?
  31. +1
    November 20, 2022
    Let's be honest - today's school graduates are neither morally nor physically ready for military service.

    Boys are standing at the military registration and enlistment office, damn them more than 14-15 years old and you won’t give them. With very rare exceptions.
  32. 0
    November 20, 2022
    Let's be honest - today's school graduates are neither morally nor physically ready for military service. Not all without exception, but the vast majority. Among high school students, there is much more talk about how to get away from the army than about the prospects for military service.


    Even more frankly, you are far from the current generation, that's actually all. And they are physically ready normally, the sections of boxing, mma, wrestling, etc., are packed with children of different ages, on the horizontal bars and basketball courts (where there is) there has long been a hype, the fact that they do not want to serve in the army en masse, it only says that they no longer understand life well. Let's be honest, military service for the most part has degenerated for 60 years into a waste of time for a conscript, and extremely inefficient use of resources with minimal exhaust in terms of training, well, corruption, hazing, etc., even to the heap.
    1. +1
      November 20, 2022
      To the point man! I completely agree. There are plenty of toothy youth and they would not refuse to fight, but there are no fools to serve under vile fools and die through the fault of incompetent generals. It is necessary to completely rebuild the entire army vehicle, throw out all the outdated parade-authorized and stupid woodpeckers with fish eyes.
  33. +4
    November 20, 2022
    Is astronomy an unnecessary subject? Maybe it was these lessons that developed in schoolchildren a craving for space with which development was in alliance. Whom schoolchildren dreamed THEN as astronauts, pilots, etc. Now streamers and bloggers.
  34. +1
    November 20, 2022
    I graduated from school in 81, I remember the lessons of the NVP with nostalgia.
    will study:
    drill training - did not study
    personal protective equipment and first aid - superficially
    weapons and rules for handling them - good
    basics of shooting, use and device of hand grenades - superficially
    action skills in modern combined arms combat - not studied
    the composition and armament of the motorized rifle squad on the BMP - did not study
    soldier position engineering equipment - superficially
    learn what a single trench is - good
  35. +2
    November 21, 2022
    Quote: Level 2 Advisor
    Why aren't others with low birth rates afraid of dying out?


    Reasonable ones are afraid and sound the alarm. But reasonable - a little. And for most people, they just don't care.

    "We don't have to do anything for future generations, they didn't do anything for us either."
    By the way, the author of this quote is a recognized Western intellectual.
  36. +1
    November 21, 2022
    Personally, the NVP did nothing for me. From the word at all. Here is the military department at the institute, yes, three years once a week 3 couples + self-training, exams and tests, at the end - monthly training camps in the troops with shooting, running tanks and firing lanes. CWP will be a waste of time, money and energy. But apparently our authorities are already in such a stage of panic that they are ready for any performances.
  37. 0
    November 21, 2022
    In general, the idea is not bad, but knowing our country, all this will turn into a complete Guano
  38. +1
    November 21, 2022
    If a person has a normal physical form, then a full-fledged KMB can be carried out in 15-30 days.
    And what will the NVP give, disassembling the machine gun, 5-10 shots and putting on a gas mask?
  39. +2
    November 22, 2022
    I can hardly imagine how the military instructor will explain something to the current schoolboys-doodles. I apologize in advance to the readers of VO. Looks like your kids are right.
  40. 0
    November 23, 2022
    The author is a liberal. everything is not right for him and everything is wrong. I do not like the training manuals from the Ministry of Education. He wants to clear the field for manuals from the US Embassy.
  41. 0
    November 23, 2022
    ".... If there is a military unit nearby, then future conscripts could really feel for themselves what urgent military service is...."
    Lies. At one time they brought us to the neighboring HF .... They showed us the barracks, a canteen, a physical camp with a parade ground and a shooting range. True, they still shot a little from the SCS at the shooting range. Enough to feel? To "feel" the service, one must be INSIDE the service, not a spectator. Service with its lack of sleep, outfits, injustices, etc.
  42. amr
    +1
    November 23, 2022
    maybe from the beginning we will return the ABC with the multiplication table?
    otherwise I’m already bringing three children to school, and there is a requirement that he be able to read and write, I have a question, why do I need such a school?
  43. 0
    November 23, 2022
    They could also make good free summer camps with a military bias. In Orlyonka, for example. 21 days cost 70 thousand ...
  44. +1
    November 25, 2022
    Why is astronomy an "unnecessary subject"? Only an ignoramus would say such a thing with a serious face.

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