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Fleet of sea drones: what are the Ukrainian drones "Mikola-3"

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Fleet of sea drones: what are the Ukrainian drones "Mikola-3"
Allegedly home-made Ukrainian kamikaze drones. Source: Telegram



First in the world


Each “suicide” drone costs at least 10 million hryvnias or 16,3 million rubles. The resource United 24, positioning itself as a volunteer piggy bank for nationalists, has already announced a fundraiser for the first ten products:

“Today Ukraine is starting to assemble maritime drones for the first fleet. It will protect the waters of the Ukrainian seas and peaceful cities from cruise missiles that Russian troops launch from their ships. It will also open a corridor for civilian ships that carry grain for the world. Participate."

Zelenskiy even arranged for a commercial to be shown, in which he hints that the Ukrainian industry is able to manufacture such complex products on its own. Workers cut, bend and weld some steel products, creating the illusion of authentic production.

The cameramen captured an Austrian Rotax gasoline engine, most likely the 900 ACE series, which can reach 300 hp. With. This commercial motor is used on jet skis. To control the unmanned boat, ArduPilot open-source software is used, and most of the equipment on display, according to Alexei Rogozin, head of the Center for the Development of Transport Technologies ANO, was produced by the Chinese Fujian Jinhua. Interestingly, the electronics manufacturing company was included in the US sanctions list back in 2018 for national security reasons.

Zelensky's promotional video ends with the pathetic slogan "The First Fleet of Naval Drones." The fleet has not yet been created, and the proud priority has already been assigned.


The nose camera allows you to transmit real-time video through the Starlink terminal. A thermal imaging channel is provided. Source: Telegram

Marine kamikaze drones, which Ukrainian public calls "Mikola-3", participated in the attacks on Sevastopol on October 29. Until recently, the Ukrainian authorities did not admit involvement in the attack on Russian ships, including those involved in the “grain deal”. But Zelensky in the video clearly pointed out the regime's responsibility for the treacherous attack:

“We will be raising money for a fleet of marine drones. I think absolutely everyone understands what it is and why ... Everyone has already seen how it works. And this is only to protect our marine area.”

Each such "Mikola-3" (it is not clear where the "Mikola"-1 and "Mikola"-2) is a rather dangerous drone. Unlike aerial drones, it is not easy to detect, and the explosive charge from it carries a disproportionately large one.

At the same time, there is nothing extraordinary in the design of the boat. This is a 5,5-meter boat with a gross weight of up to one ton, with an autonomy of up to 60 hours and a maximum speed of 80 km/h. Explosives floating kamikaze can take up to 200 kg, but the mass of the payload may vary from the distance of the targets.

Drones washed up on the coast were found in Crimea, in which no more than 50-60 kg of explosives were present. Most likely, the Mikoly did not enter Sevastopol with two hundred explosives.






Kamikaze "Mikola-3", which can be used as marine reconnaissance. Source: Telegram


Nose contact fuses. Source: Telegram

Ukrainian sources claim that the floating drone is capable of transmitting up to three video streams in HD quality at a distance of up to four hundred kilometers from the operator. This is possible only if there is a Starlink satellite terminal on board the boat, which Ukrainian propagandists diligently exclude from all sources. In resonant advertising, there is also not a word about this.

Elon Musk now, although he is completely busy with Twitter, is traditionally unpredictable - it’s not even an hour that the satellite Internet will be cut off, and the boats will turn into helpless troughs. Space X is nervous about the militarization of its own products, even in the interests of Ukraine. In all the characteristics of the product, experts on the other side modestly write about "a special compound protected from enemy electronic warfare."




Most of the components are of civilian origin. Source: Telegram

Meanwhile, on all available images in the stern of the drone, there is a new rectangular antenna of the Starlink satellite terminal. The boat is assembled from almost 100 percent civilian components, with the exception of, of course, an armored hull, explosives and a pair of contact fuses on the nose, very similar to aviation.

On the list of attributes of civilian origin, even the steering nozzle is from a jet ski, presumably from Sea-Doo. This, by the way, is a special danger of such boats and the like - if desired, they can be assembled by a group of enthusiastic terrorists without any problems. It remains only to find 10 million hryvnia.

According to Ukrainian sources, the future naval drone fleet could be involved not only in provocations against Russia, but also in “long-range maritime reconnaissance, surveillance of coastal activities, escort and maintenance of the traditional fleet and adjustment of artillery fire.” At the same time, Ukraine, even in its happiest dream, did not play an important role in the global drone industry, especially in the marine one.

The West will help again


Countries with competencies in the design and construction of floating drones can be counted on the fingers - the United States, Russia, Norway, Israel, Great Britain and China.

The technological donor for the Bandera fleet was the American naval drones UUV MANTAS T-12, which arrived in Ukraine in April of this year. The number of products was not announced, but the total cost of deliveries approached $ 800 million. Evil tongues claim that American boats contributed to the abandonment of Snake Island by Russian troops. On the basis of these reconnaissance drones, the Ukrainians concocted the Mykola.

The main task was to increase the payload from the original 63,5 kilograms to two hundred. It is not known exactly who did this, but the level of Ukrainian participation here is limited only to the assembly of supplied vehicle kits. Approximately the same way in Russia they assembled cars of foreign brands, only in our country it was caused by benefits from the state, and in the Kyiv regime - by terrorist urges.






Ukrainian drones washed up on the Crimean coast in October. The aft Starlink antenna is clearly visible. Source: Telegram

The use of naval drones against the Russian fleet is a unique experience. Ukrainians, together with foreign instructors, for the first time in world practice, attacked ships in the port with unmanned ships. Simply put, for the first time at sea, a person met with floating drones. Moreover, the attack was absolutely treacherous - the kamikaze passed along the path of civilian ships from the "grain convoy", and the strikes fell on the ships involved in ensuring the export of wheat from Ukraine.

It is now very important for NATO countries to clearly demonstrate all the pros and cons of the tactics of using floating kamikaze. Therefore, despite all the agreements, the nationalists will send Mikol to Russian facilities more than once.

The creation of the "world's first fleet" in the Azov and Black Seas will make it possible to multiply the number of drones. With a massive attack of Russian ships both in the roadstead and in ports, this will become a serious problem. Such tactics will inevitably be tested - the Ukrainian conflict is a testing ground for the NATO war of the future.

At the same time, the destruction of the notorious 73rd Special Marine Operations Center in Ochakovo, where operators of such equipment are trained, will not solve the matter. As mentioned above, "Mikola-3" (we do not exclude that this is not the only name of the system) can be controlled from almost any laptop. Theoretically, this is easy to organize.

The Russian fleet and army can solve this problem in two ways.

First is to look for effective ways to counter the attacks of such products. Only here in the classic competition of projectile and armor, the first one will always be a little faster. The initiative will also be on the side of the nationalists, and the costs of the Russian side will always be disproportionately higher.

Second the method is the methodical destruction of the supply channels for such equipment, as well as the search for opportunities to jam the ill-fated Starlink.
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  1. parusnik
    parusnik 18 November 2022 05: 53
    +22
    I remembered the film, Soviet, "The Secret of Two Oceans" there, too, marine drones were used
    1. Gnefredov
      Gnefredov 18 November 2022 06: 01
      +8
      Boat, number seventeen.
      Exactly. Great movie, proving that everything is new, well-forgotten old.
      PS By the way. Here Erdogan was added a "smut". Oh oh.
      1. Civil
        Civil 18 November 2022 07: 41
        +6
        1. There was a good article about marine drones in "Science and Life" for 1989, which described Soviet developments of unmanned marine vehicles with artificial intelligence control.
        2. Mykola-3 is the same craft as Geranium-2. Humor.
        1. matsur
          matsur 18 November 2022 10: 33
          +1
          Quote: Civil
          1. There was a good article about marine drones in "Science and Life" for 1989, which described Soviet developments of unmanned marine vehicles with artificial intelligence control.
          2. Mykola-3 is the same craft as Geranium-2. Humor.

          And why do they have such combs on top? Even if they are not submerged in water, the oncoming air resistance reduces their speed. What does aero and hydrodynamics say about this?
          1. Civil
            Civil 18 November 2022 11: 49
            +2
            Quote from Matsur
            And why do they have such combs on top? Even if they are not submerged in water, the oncoming air resistance reduces their speed. What does aero and hydrodynamics say about this?

            Since they are semi-submersible (diving), this is probably a kind of frames ... but this is not certain
          2. Anatoly_M_S
            Anatoly_M_S 18 November 2022 12: 52
            +2
            I suppose that these devices have a small positive buoyancy, which becomes even more positive as the fuel is used up. And these combs, together with a controlled nozzle at the outlet of the water jet, make it possible to create negative buoyancy, i.e. at speed, you can make the device dive or even move for some time under water. When moving on the surface at its speeds (I think hardly more than 100 km / h), these ridges of course interfere (create additional resistance to the oncoming air flow), but not critical.
    2. Nikolay-Nikolaevich
      Nikolay-Nikolaevich 19 November 2022 14: 09
      +2
      Password? Seventeen!

      Urgently looking for foreman Skvorechnya!!!!!!
  2. Lech from Android.
    Lech from Android. 18 November 2022 05: 57
    +16
    The main advantage of these crafts is their cheapness and the ability to rivet hundreds of them in workshops.
    It will be funny if these toys lock up the Black Sea Fleet at their base and periodically bomb it with their raids.
    what
    It is depressing that the Black Sea Fleet took a passive position in the NMD, the role of which was reduced only to the participation of rocket attacks on the rear regions of Ukraine.
    Why then do we need expensive large ships of the Black Sea Fleet ... Buyans and small corvettes with destroyers ... of which hundreds of pieces can also be riveted will quite cope with this task.
    1. Ka-52
      Ka-52 18 November 2022 06: 46
      -2
      their cheapness and the ability to rivet hundreds of them in workshops

      for 10 million hryvnias in hundreds? Ukrainians cannot saturate their troops with even simpler and cheaper weapons, they run around the world with outstretched hands, and then a billion hryvnias for drones
      1. Lech from Android.
        Lech from Android. 18 November 2022 06: 48
        +7
        Quote: Ka-52
        for 10 million hryvnias in hundreds?

        Biden and the British prime minister will still throw in a billion dollars and euros ... there are just no problems with this.
        I still don’t like these small dirty PBs because they can be delivered by land to the nearest landing point at sea and put into action at the right time ... guess where and when they will appear. what
        1. Ka-52
          Ka-52 18 November 2022 06: 56
          +9
          These drones are only effective in our typical environment. I have nothing to do with the Navy, but I also heard about anti-torpedo, anti-submarine barriers back in the days of the Second World War. And if our ships during the ̶v̶o̶y̶n̶y̶ stand in an open roadstead, then the forelocks don’t even need such expensive drones - they sailed on a raft under the side and blew them up. By the way, it is necessary to avoid detecting an attack by such drones so that our warship not only stands without obstacles, but is also abandoned - you can hear the sound of a mover from a water scooter in the sea at least 3,14 kilometers away
          1. Lech from Android.
            Lech from Android. 18 November 2022 06: 59
            -1
            These barriers are expensive and you can't put them everywhere.
            And PB can be thrown out from submarines ... let's wait for aviation to participate in this progress.
            1. Ka-52
              Ka-52 18 November 2022 07: 30
              +17
              These barriers are expensive and you can't put them everywhere.

              well hello.... No. at the beginning of the last century, booms were erected in Sevastopol. Now what is the problem with this?

              1. Lech from Android.
                Lech from Android. 18 November 2022 08: 16
                +4
                In these booms, the first wave of drones will easily make holes by self-exploding in them, and after it the second one will penetrate the raid to attack ... I would not rely on such barriers.
                There were also barriers in the Sevastopol Bay, but somehow the Ukrainian drones were able to overcome them in the first attack. what
                1. Aviator_
                  Aviator_ 18 November 2022 08: 31
                  +5
                  There were also barriers in the Sevastopol Bay, but somehow the Ukrainian drones were able to overcome them in the first attack.
                  There was one row of booms, it was blown up, but it was necessary to put 3-4. And so there were 3 explosions in the bay - one when the barrier was broken, one just like that (perhaps destroyed), the third - at the minesweeper. Recently there was a photo of "Makarov" with a small dent on the starboard side, it's not clear if it's fake or not. The minesweeper is not shown at all. Maybe they'll show you after SVO.
                  1. sneig
                    sneig 19 November 2022 18: 23
                    +1
                    no dent is visible there, there is a brownish spot that is given out as the consequences of an explosion, the spot is above the waterline, that is, it is given out as an attack by an air drone, the photo is very similar to photoshop.
                2. Hitriy Zhuk
                  Hitriy Zhuk 19 November 2022 14: 13
                  +1
                  Undermining. Here.
                  There, then, absolutely stupid contraceptives should be something to miss the explosions, and still not notice anything.
                  And if there is a duty, you can still beat it with an autocannon / machine gun.
              2. tihonmarine
                tihonmarine 18 November 2022 08: 34
                +1
                Quote: Ka-52
                at the beginning of the last century, booms were erected in Sevastopol. Now what is the problem with this?

                You need to put a boom barrier in two rows, the first breaks through the first wave, the second is already unlikely to break through.
                1. Zyablicev43
                  Zyablicev43 18 November 2022 11: 08
                  +3
                  The Italians made torpedo boats with caterpillar propellers for overcoming booms during the First World War. True, the tests were not carried out so successfully, but the fact takes place.
              3. Skif
                Skif 18 November 2022 18: 38
                +4
                No problem. And now there are. But we must fight the cause, not the effects. Run by Starlink? Sweep nafig! Managed from where? Calibrate ruthlessly.
                1. Nemchinov Vl
                  Nemchinov Vl 21 November 2022 04: 45
                  +1
                  Quote: Skif
                  No problem. And now there are. But we must fight the cause, not the effects. Run by Starlink? Sweep nafig!
                  yes
                  absolutely right !!! Throw into orbit "Starliks" 15-30 automatic "sphero satellites", with a banal RPK, and a shunting engine, for rendezvous (in orbit), and destroy all "enemy satellites" (over the Russian Federation and the territory of the conflict) !!! what
                  deprive intelligence, space intelligence and real-time communications ... winked
            2. Fat
              Fat 18 November 2022 08: 34
              +4
              hi During the Second World War, a sabotage unit operated as part of the Royal Italian Navy, officially called the 10th Torpedo Boat Flotilla (Italian: Xa Flottiglia MAS). This formation was armed with various types of exploding boats: MA (Italian Motoscafo d'Assalto), MAT (Italian Motoscafo Avio Trasportato), MTM (Italian Motoscafo Turismo Modificato), MTR (Italian Motoscafo Turismo Ridotto) and MTRM (Italian . Motoscafo Turismo Ridotto Modificato), which were delivered to the place of sabotage by special ships converted from old ships of the Italian fleet, or even by air delivery vehicles. Exploding boats of the MTM type had an explosive charge of about 300 kg with a shock-hydrostatic fuse (having a duplicate temporary moderator).
              Nothing is new. Another reincarnation of the fireman. A dangerous thing, of course. But there are also means of struggle.
            3. tihonmarine
              tihonmarine 18 November 2022 08: 41
              +7
              Quote: Lech from Android.
              These barriers are expensive and you can't put them everywhere.
              And PB can also be thrown from submarines ..

              The Germans during the Second World War in the Baltic put up dozens of kilometers of a net barrier, in April 1943, between the islands of Nargen and Porkkala were placed dual anti-submarine nets about 60 meters deep and about 30 miles long along the front. In order for the nets to successfully withstand bad weather, they were not deepened to the very bottom, and the gap between the lower edge of the net and the bottom was covered with two hundred bottom mines.
              1. Lech from Android.
                Lech from Android. 18 November 2022 09: 18
                +4
                Yes, I heard about this area ... our submarines regularly disappeared there forever. hi
                1. tihonmarine
                  tihonmarine 18 November 2022 10: 29
                  +4
                  Quote: Lech from Android.
                  Yes, I heard about this area ... our submarines regularly disappeared there forever.

                  In Soviet times, they found and raised. With me, two boats were raised near Tallinn. The nets were just what we needed, somehow I anchored one in the roadstead, in the late 80s, so I had to cut it off with an autogenous. And there were also thinner nets - signal with beeches, hooked buoys light up.
          2. Rzzz
            Rzzz 18 November 2022 08: 01
            +4
            Quote: Ka-52
            you can at least 10 kilometers

            They're not that noisy. Without instruments, you will hear him ... well, for several hundred meters, if he goes at full throttle, and if you sneak up in the dark at low speeds, then generally back to back.
            1. Ka-52
              Ka-52 18 November 2022 08: 20
              +1
              They're not that noisy. You can hear it without instruments...

              oh well .... in the summer they drive jet skis along the river - no plastic windows save. And this is against the backdrop of city noise.
              1. Rzzz
                Rzzz 18 November 2022 13: 37
                +4
                Yes, I've driven quite a lot myself. When you sit on the boat, half a meter from the engine - well, you hear this engine (I had a two-cylinder Weber 107 hp turbocharged), but at a speed of about 80 km / h, the sound of the engine was drowned out by the noise of the wind in my ears.
                The exhaust there is made into the nozzle of the water jet, and the water works as such a very effective silencer.
                1. Hitriy Zhuk
                  Hitriy Zhuk 19 November 2022 14: 17
                  0
                  Quote: rzzz
                  The exhaust there is made in the jet nozzle,

                  And how they haven’t been devoured by the eco-lugs yet, they drown dirty exhausts in the water ...
                  1. Rzzz
                    Rzzz 19 November 2022 20: 26
                    +1
                    This is done on all jet skis and jet tenders. On fast yachts and planing boats, the exhaust is either under the bottom or aft below the waterline, so that when moving, the gas jet is covered with a breaker.
                    Yes, this happens more often on ships. What difference does it make where the exhaust is, in water or in air?
                  2. mmaxx
                    mmaxx 20 November 2022 10: 53
                    0
                    Exhaust into the water, oddly enough, is environmentally friendly. The water is aerated. More oxygen. Once environmentalists on some European lake, I just don’t remember which one, wanted to ban motor boats. And they began to experiment on the harmfulness of their exhaust and, in general, their harmfulness. The result is just the opposite.
                    But then the environmentalists were normal. Therefore, it was considered that outboard motors should be approved on the contrary.
            2. tihonmarine
              tihonmarine 18 November 2022 11: 37
              +2
              Quote: rzzz
              and if you sneak up in the dark at low speeds, then it’s generally back to back.

              Set up sensitive hydrophones.
              1. Rzzz
                Rzzz 18 November 2022 12: 10
                +2
                If about twenty will drive without silencers, clogging hydrophones, but beyond the scope of weapons? Purely for distraction?
                1. tihonmarine
                  tihonmarine 18 November 2022 13: 44
                  +3
                  Quote: rzzz
                  If about twenty will drive without silencers, clogging hydrophones, but beyond the scope of weapons? Purely for distraction?

                  Even with the technology that was during the Second World War, the Germans could control the movement of Soviet submarines. The Germans did not use barrage nets, but other nets - easier, but no less dangerous - signal. These networks were installed on the approaches to ports, on the fairways and in narrow places. Unlike a protective net, such a net was not able to keep the boat in place (and the drone would delay it), but it still brought mortal danger to it, since special buoys were automatically ignited from the impact on the net, emitting thick smoke. Anti-submarine ships immediately hurried to this signal, and the hunt began for the submarine.
                  With modern technology and desire, more ideal protection can be made. Yes, spread drone assembly sites, basing points and training bases for operators and specialists.
          3. Eroma
            Eroma 18 November 2022 16: 07
            -1
            Against small vehicles, just large ships are the most good
            Missiles made armor useless, modern ships fit the description from WWI even better: eggs armed with hammers! lol
            Small drones devalue modern means of protection, making them economically unprofitable! What can return the armor to the ships in order to calmly withstand drone hits. Although it seems to me that the AK630 should be effective against Mikola what important to detect early.
      2. Real Pilot
        Real Pilot 18 November 2022 11: 37
        -2
        Cocaine clown needs Colombian guys to work!
        Where drug submarines, manned and unmanned, are common ... Cartels send their products to the States at regular intervals, and only a few are intercepted.

        Well, the "shipbuilders" with the gifts will arrive. On such submarines, tons of coke are transported! Zelia will be delighted... wassat
    2. Aerodrome
      Aerodrome 18 November 2022 07: 03
      0
      Quote: Lech from Android.
      The main advantage of these crafts is their cheapness and the ability to rivet hundreds of them in workshops.
      It will be funny if these toys lock up the Black Sea Fleet at their base and periodically bomb it with their raids.
      what
      It is depressing that the Black Sea Fleet took a passive position in the NMD, the role of which was reduced only to the participation of rocket attacks on the rear regions of Ukraine.
      Why then do we need expensive large ships of the Black Sea Fleet ... Buyans and small corvettes with destroyers ... of which hundreds of pieces can also be riveted will quite cope with this task.

      faq..???)))
      1. Lech from Android.
        Lech from Android. 18 November 2022 07: 11
        +1
        Sorry ... this is all my combat sofa came up with ... smile
    3. Rzzz
      Rzzz 18 November 2022 08: 59
      +4
      Quote: Lech from Android.
      which can also be riveted hundreds of pieces.

      They are built three to five years each, at a couple of factories. Calculate for yourself how many of them will be in how much time? Taking into account the fact that such a ship has been serving for 30 years in the most ideal conditions, and usually they go into ferrous metal earlier.
      And yes, engines for such ships are not made in Russia.
    4. Eule
      Eule 18 November 2022 10: 49
      +5
      The piece is scary. And not by opportunities, but by how the former Ukrainian SSR for 30 years lagged behind not even the leading countries, but Colombia. As far back as 10-15 years ago, the local hand-choppers were making "drug torpedoes" - a semi-submersible apparatus from which a "periscope" with a snorkel, exhaust, and a GPS or marine band antenna-receiver stuck out above the water. There were no transmitters or video cameras on board. Such a "drug torpedo" crossed the Gulf of Mexico, swam at the mouth of one of the rivers in the United States, and, according to the program, moored to the shore in a secluded pre-selected place. Cargo compartment up to half a cubic meter. The motor is an ordinary car, since the “torpedo” was dismantled after arrival and thrown into the trash, so as not to leave any traces.
      There were two ways to fight against them - eavesdropping on communications to find out where it would come, and catching the recipients and the product itself, and PMC raids against construction workshops so that the fighters broke equipment and destroyed torpedo craftsmen.
      Nuclear submarines could catch "drug torpedoes" in the sea with their hydrophones, but they had little to knock them out, since a normal torpedo is not aimed at such a tiny torpedo, and an anti-submarine helicopter has no weapons. Tried to shoot from the board at this thing from the M2, but success is very variable.
      1. haron
        haron 27 November 2022 11: 23
        0
        Quote: eule
        The piece is scary. And not by opportunities, but by how the former Ukrainian SSR for 30 years lagged behind not even the leading countries, but Colombia.

        And where did you get the idea that Mykola is the "crown" of the production of the local "arms"?
        Well, yes. The water cannon and the geometry of the stem make it possible to jump over/crawl over real bonds even at 30 knots (out of 45 declared). You don't need to dive for this. The optics are covered with ridges from above, and the ridges are closer to the center of aerodynamic drag and not to the center of gravity. Draw your own conclusions. Ichot tells me that initially they shine a bad experience. But what will grow out of this is known to one perun.
    5. Xnumx vis
      Xnumx vis 18 November 2022 11: 22
      +1
      Quote: Lech from Android.
      Why then do we need expensive large ships of the Black Sea Fleet ...

      And what are these ships? Cruisers, destroyers or helicopter carriers? There are no such people in the Black Sea Fleet! Now to the point. This war is strange ... NVO is called, Therefore, it is incomprehensible for the fleet in terms of tasks ... What are the tasks now facing the Black Sea Fleet? Drown all the court's coming out, transports? It is forbidden ! Grain deal. To smash coastal cities with artillery harassing fire? It is forbidden ! Grain deal! Landing troops? It is forbidden ! A grain deal ... Here we are escorting ships with grain, occasionally delivering authorized strikes with high-precision missile weapons at power facilities of the Svidokran ...
    6. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 18 November 2022 11: 46
      +3
      Quote: Lech from Android.
      It is depressing that the Black Sea Fleet took a passive position in the NMD, the role of which was reduced only to the participation of rocket attacks on the rear regions of Ukraine.

      Oh, sorry, what else can you do chi fleet, chi not fleet?
      Landing party? So all the marines are fighting on land - for the ground forces traditionally did not have the required number of active bayonets. Spawn this did not happen, and again the same. ©
      Yes, and with the means of landing after many years of the Syrian express, there is some problem.
      Quote: Lech from Android.
      Why then do we need expensive large ships of the Black Sea Fleet ...

      So the fleet has only three of them. Moreover, these are the notorious budget frigates 11356, built according to the principle "they blinded from what was, because you can't wait longer." As Postnikov would say - seventh modification of the Soviet 1135. If it were not for the problems with the "Polydut" at 22350, 11356 would not have been born at all.
      The rest of the large NK BSF is a real floating museum, inherited from the USSR. Moreover, with the exception of "Glory", the rest of the Black Sea ships of the Soviet construction were considered obsolete even under dear Mikhail Sergeyevich. And there has been no modernization since then.
      The situation was additionally aggravated by Comrade Chirkov with his 22160 - toothless module carriers without modules, on which land "Tors" had to be screwed in the end.
      Quote: Lech from Android.
      Why then do we need expensive large ships of the Black Sea Fleet ... Buyans and small corvettes with destroyers will quite cope with this task ...

      Small destroyers riveted by the hundreds - it's five! smile
      And corvettes on closed seas have one problem - air defense. Without an air regiment on the coast, engaged exclusively in their provision, the corvette cannot be released into the sea at all. For KOR's own air defense is only enough to fight off a pair of stray anti-ship missiles.
      And who will let the MA of the Navy deal with naval affairs? Tasks are in store for it on land as well - the Black Sea Fleet is subordinate to boots, and the army team traditionally considers the fleet as their reserve.
    7. skeptic
      skeptic 19 November 2022 18: 16
      +2
      Quote: Lech from Android.
      Why then do we need expensive large ships of the Black Sea Fleet ...

      You are more careful, otherwise fans of aircraft carriers and other mastodons will pounce. Large ships have nothing to do in the Black Sea and the Baltic. As targets are good, the rest is done by coastal complexes. Shallows have a deepening, like booms, which also reduces the damage. Off the coast, they are covered by air defense. In this mess, everything that is big is better to hide.
  3. O. Bender
    O. Bender 18 November 2022 06: 16
    +5
    Underwater drones will be paired with these and hemorrhoids will be provided. A cornered rat will bite to the end, so the rat must be destroyed, only one option is complete destruction. If it had occurred to me 20 years ago, I would have thought that I had gone crazy. The Slavs crumble the Slavs. The Anglo-Saxons sing victory. am
    1. Gnefredov
      Gnefredov 18 November 2022 06: 24
      +1
      Thanks for the Truth. It's hard to admit, of course, but it's better to face the truth than to indulge yourself with illusions.
      1. Aerodrome
        Aerodrome 18 November 2022 07: 04
        -1
        where do these pelvises do known? why aren't the "calibers" in the air yet?
        1. Rzzz
          Rzzz 18 November 2022 09: 07
          +5
          One "caliber" costs like a dozen of these "pelvis". Plus, these "pelvises" are just designed for such caliber carriers, if everything goes on like this, then the Black Sea Fleet will not be able to go anywhere at all from the bay and will shoot from the berths.
          And you don’t need any factory, you need a warm room, at least 15 ° C, to work with fiberglass. In terms of area - well, a couple of hundred square meters for each matrix. Well, the same amount for the assembly shop.
          These production sites can generally be located in different places. Details, even parts of the body, are carried by hand, and fit into an ordinary gazelle.
        2. donavi49
          donavi49 18 November 2022 12: 14
          +2
          Well, you also painted where they do it. At the plant in Gunskirchen. In high-tech factories in Texas. In factories in Jinhua and Hefei. Where warheads are riveted, x / s.

          The rest of the hull and final assembly in any of the 100050000 suitable workshops/warehouses/covered areas/garages. Hidden transportation in trucks of already assembled products is not a problem at all. Therefore, the assembly site is not limited to the coastal zone.
          1. Rzzz
            Rzzz 18 November 2022 19: 43
            +3
            Yes, there is nothing high-tech needed, except for a communication system and a thermal imager.
            Any motor is suitable, even automobile, even used. Yes, it will be a little heavier, and the speed will be lower, but maybe not by much.
            Warheads can be made from anything that explodes. I stuffed an aerial bomb in there, and OK.
            Brains - in general, they are bought on the Internet, an ESP-shka costs three dollars. Nothing more cool is needed to control the vessel in two channels. Well, some kind of telemetry back, there are ready-made modules for this.
            What else? And, the water jet impeller is also a high-tech part. The body of the water jet itself is, although of a complex shape, but technologically two simple castings made of luminum.
            Well, a small hydraulic cylinder to control the nozzle. A separate hydraulic pump is not needed, we will take the oil from the engine.
            So, there is nothing super-nano-technological there. No need to look for some secret underground factories.
  4. Comandor777
    Comandor777 18 November 2022 06: 17
    +8
    And not a word about such a way to solve the problem as cutting off Ukraine from the Black Sea...
    1. Gnefredov
      Gnefredov 18 November 2022 06: 28
      -2
      There are many countries in the Black Sea basin and you can't keep track of them all.
  5. Vladimir_2U
    Vladimir_2U 18 November 2022 06: 18
    +14
    And the attack was absolutely treacherous.
    It's just funny to read! Everything that the military has fallen in love with is now called treacherous, right?

    look for effective ways to counter the attacks of such products. Only here in the classic competition of projectile and armor, the first one will always be a little faster.
    In the parking lot, these are bonnet barriers, known since the century before last, and for detection - acoustics and vigilance of signalmen, the breaker will not go anywhere .. Drowning both RBU and artillery, in my opinion, without problems, with timely detection.
    1. Aerodrome
      Aerodrome 18 November 2022 07: 06
      +3
      Quote: Vladimir_2U
      And the attack was absolutely treacherous.
      It's just funny to read! Everything that the military has fallen in love with is now called treacherous, right?

      look for effective ways to counter the attacks of such products. Only here in the classic competition of projectile and armor, the first one will always be a little faster.
      In the parking lot, these are bonnet barriers, known since the century before last, and for detection - acoustics and vigilance of signalmen, the breaker will not go anywhere .. Drowning both RBU and artillery, in my opinion, without problems, with timely detection.

      they put bars on the tanks, and the ships will have to ... an oil painting.
      1. Vladimir_2U
        Vladimir_2U 18 November 2022 07: 09
        +3
        Quote: Aerodrome
        they put bars on the tanks, and the ships will have to ... an oil painting.
        Tin! You know how to pervert ... laughing
        Although anti-mine nets were also hung out.
  6. FoBoss_VM
    FoBoss_VM 18 November 2022 06: 32
    +6
    JSC Izumrud in Vladivostok, even during the period of Rogozin's tenure as vice-premier for the military-industrial complex, developed, built and tested research and development Labyrinth-BEC. The BRP hull and engine were taken as the basis. A compact radar was installed to illuminate the surface situation, an optical channel, a satellite terminal, etc. But apparently then our military-industrial complex did not need such developments, the plant did it at the expense of profits and, apart from losses, suffered nothing. That's where it all ended...
    1. Anatoly_M_S
      Anatoly_M_S 18 November 2022 12: 12
      +1
      So they still forgot the saying "If you want peace, prepare for war" and our military doctrine is defensive and there were no obvious enemies then, therefore there was a place for our similar developments, although they were. But the best defense is an attack, so "If you want peace, prepare for war."
  7. carpenter
    carpenter 18 November 2022 06: 34
    +6
    At the same time, the destruction of the notorious 73rd Special Marine Operations Center in Ochakovo, where operators of such equipment are trained, will not solve the matter.
    I do not agree with this. "Centre-73" must be destroyed and destroyed constantly, the Nazis must be kept in constant tension and forced to defend themselves constantly, and not to attack. Destroy assembly points, and they are not difficult to identify.
    The second way is the methodical destruction of supply channels for such equipment.

    But this is nonsense if the tanks are calmly delivered, and even a truck (or a dozen trucks) with components can be delivered without a problem.
  8. Vlvl
    Vlvl 18 November 2022 07: 46
    -2
    Mykola Zrada. Not the number three. Maybe
  9. rocket757
    rocket757 18 November 2022 07: 46
    +4
    Fleet of sea drones: what are the Ukrainian drones "Mikola-3"

    First in the world
    A modernized firewall ... an idea that God knows how old !!!
    The idea is quite working, especially when the small one is trying to fight the big one.
    How to assess the threat??? The threat is serious, which is all modern unmanned strike technology!
  10. Ryaruav
    Ryaruav 18 November 2022 08: 00
    -1
    At the slightest excitement, what kind of view will the camera have at such a height, but the noise from the engine at a speed of 80 km / h plus, as they wrote before me, the breaker will be visible much stronger than the periscope square
    1. donavi49
      donavi49 18 November 2022 12: 16
      0
      A close-up shows a duplicate set of cameras. The first one is quite high.
  11. Lech from Android.
    Lech from Android. 18 November 2022 08: 38
    0
    Quote: Aviator_
    Maybe they'll show you after SVO.

    They won't show... smile the lesson with the death of the flagship of the Black Sea Fleet, I think all the same, was learned by the command of the fleet.
  12. PPD
    PPD 18 November 2022 09: 06
    0
    only possible if there is a Starlink satellite terminal on board the boat

    One of the key phrases and one of the ways to fight.
    Autonomy 60 hours at a speed of 80 km / h? Or are they different options? Or speed up to 80 km / h? And how long will it take in full swing? For any tip, you need it - from this camera, protruding a couple of tens of centimeters above the surface, you can only see the ship point-blank. Where will the gunner live? It’s clear with the bases, but what if the ship leaves the base a little? And how will this pelvis feel in a storm? You still need to hit a moving ship, and the ship is not a tram - you can turn it off. And to break through the obstacles with 3-4 units, so that there is a chance to break through 1- so-so idea. And for the price too.
    1. evgen1221
      evgen1221 18 November 2022 11: 34
      +1
      Well, why, to make 5 of these mopeds cheaper and faster than a full-size ship, and the crew still costs money and time to train. It's a perfectly acceptable exchange.
    2. donavi49
      donavi49 18 November 2022 12: 22
      +4
      Well, the article says it all:
      The maximum speed is 80 km / h, at the final jerk. The economic move is less.
      The ship uses an autopilot, it follows the coordinates + INS. Where the operator initially indicates the march modes of the section.
      Camera blocks are needed for the final dash on manual control.
      The operator can sit anywhere, even in a Paris Cafe and steer a drone from a laptop while crunching a fresh croissant. His workplace is a laptop with Internet access. He doesn't need anything else. The boat transmits information and receives commands through (judging by the commercial, it is publicly available for stand modelers) - ArduPilot, via Starlink.
      1. PPD
        PPD 18 November 2022 13: 23
        -1
        According to the coordinates, he can go to the place of basing. And then if it is a small port. A ship will move a couple of miles - how will he find it? Range unknown. And how many times he can go through the same thing. Guidance and control are not the same thing.
        He can go only along a previously known route, and if the target moves somewhere? Look for her! So the operator can have a snack even with a croissant, even moonshine from Russia. In air defense, this is called target tracking.
        1. donavi49
          donavi49 18 November 2022 14: 30
          +5
          And why are they chasing the fleet at sea? They go to well-known parking lots, for example, in Sevas, and there, after visual detection of targets, they attack them on manual control.
          1. PPD
            PPD 18 November 2022 15: 36
            0
            Hence the conclusion - the barrier network - and voila!
  13. Beaver
    Beaver 18 November 2022 09: 08
    +4
    This is visible on the radar for 12 km. At a speed of 80 km, the Russian fleet has 9 minutes to destroy it. If you don’t catch flies, then you can catch it. Danger is at night and with massive use. Limited in heavy seas.
    1. PPD
      PPD 18 November 2022 13: 38
      +2
      And this boat also needs targeting. What can he see for 12 km?
      Especially if the target is moving? And how much will he catch up with her at a ship speed of 25 knots?
      So it turns out, mainly to attack ships in ports with known coordinates in advance. Yes, even if there is no protection, and the watch with the guard is sleeping soundly.
      1. Beaver
        Beaver 18 November 2022 15: 48
        -1
        It enters at previously explored coordinates, then is guided by the operator on the TV channel. And yes, it is only for attacks on stationary targets.
  14. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 18 November 2022 09: 32
    +3
    The first is to look for effective ways to counter attacks from such products. Only here in the classic competition of projectile and armor, the first one will always be a little faster. The initiative will also be on the side of the nationalists, and the costs of the Russian side will always be disproportionately higher.

    The second way is the methodical destruction of the supply channels for such equipment, as well as the search for opportunities to jam the ill-fated Starlink.


    The third is to deprive 404 of access to the Black Sea, otherwise this epic will always be .... you also need to take into account anti-ship missiles, you need to take into account the fact that 404 also has no problems with target designation and will not.
    1. evgen1221
      evgen1221 18 November 2022 11: 36
      0
      And besides 404, there is no one else to use such drones?
      1. Zaurbek
        Zaurbek 18 November 2022 11: 44
        0
        There is someone, but:
        Through 404, third countries can do this ...... (and do). And so - there will be no where. And the rest will receive on their territory.
  15. BAI
    BAI 18 November 2022 09: 59
    +1
    Well, very strange contours of the upper part of the body. This is a water sail, only to slow down and raise a wave.
    1. evgen1221
      evgen1221 18 November 2022 11: 36
      +2
      External stiffening ribs to increase the volume for explosives.
  16. alexey_444
    alexey_444 18 November 2022 10: 22
    0
    Progress does not stand still, when battleships replaced aircraft carriers, there was also pessimism at the beginning. Unfortunately, terrorists are hard to fight, Israel with its agents, motivation and money is a living example. Exit, We need to make ten times more such drones, then victory is possible.
  17. acetophenone
    acetophenone 18 November 2022 11: 28
    0
    A constantly working satellite terminal, IMHO, gives a very specific and easily localized signal. True, you can launch a couple with terminals from behind, and drive directly attackers through some other channel ... In short, something must be done about backwardness in terms of both electronics and the implementation of its achievements. And then they frightened the cookies, and they themselves huddled in the port, like a mouse under a broom.
    1. stankow
      stankow 18 November 2022 12: 40
      0
      Doesn't work all the time. On the route is guided by GPS - only reception. I landed at the entrance of the naval base, got in touch, examined it with a camera, attacked from 1-2 km (miles, sorry).
  18. shark507
    shark507 18 November 2022 11: 40
    0
    Quote from Matsur
    And why do they have such combs on top?

    Except as breakwaters - it is impossible to come up with other versions. But in this case, it somehow turns out stupidly - firstly, the freeboard is negligible, so they will not give any profit, and secondly, what is there to protect from the wave?
    But they unmask just monstrously - at a more or less decent speed, they give a huge fountain of spray.
    Yes, and in terms of radar visibility, they are probably very unmasked.
    Really incomprehensible bullshit.
  19. Knell wardenheart
    Knell wardenheart 18 November 2022 11: 48
    +3
    The first is to look for effective ways to counter attacks from such products.

    There is no need to invent practically anything new - the classic "external barrier". The product moves at speeds up to 80 km / h, is a low-profile surface product (even if part of the product is under water, its situation control organs are above it), it has a contact fuse. Thus, more or less developed float barriers, combining floats and a somewhat buried network of polymer material, exposed at a certain distance from the ships, solve the problem of counteracting this weapon when in a certain area. Towing, folding, deploying these networks with the help of small autonomous vehicles will make it possible to set up such barriers in a semi-automatic mode. The task is not difficult from a structural point of view.
    As you travel, the task becomes more difficult.
    In this case, it is probably worth betting on a scanning laser with a system for detecting any glare from the drone's control optics. It is possible to configure the system in such a way that it does not react to glare and reflections from sea waves and ripples (for example, it is absorbed), and only reacts to reflection from the optics of the product. In case of detection of a product, take organizational measures - drop a network with floats, or small floating containers with contact explosives located on board.

    All this is nothing more than a "brainstorming approach" - other solutions seem to me much more expensive and will require a comprehensive modernization. As an option, combine the detection lidar with a mortar installation that receives from it proactive coordinates and a motion vector.
  20. gromit
    gromit 18 November 2022 12: 02
    +2
    With the exception of "unmanned", this is a complete analogue of tiny boats that were supposed to sneak up on an enemy ship at night.
    Shestovaya mine, throwing mine, then a torpedo ...
    As a result, expensive giant armadillos, which were built to fight the same monsters, were surrounded by chains in the raid. They were afraid to go out into the sea teeming with mine boats

    The destroyers could only fight with each other.
    They grew up, became destroyers,
    gathered in squadrons, overgrown with more and more powerful cannons and machine guns, torpedoes were replaced by huge rockets, which still had never been in a real battle ....

    And then chlobys - the story went in a circle))
  21. Kostadinov
    Kostadinov 18 November 2022 13: 05
    0
    There is a third way - to create your own sea drones even cheaper and better.
    1. meandr51
      meandr51 19 November 2022 00: 42
      0
      If it is impossible to completely abandon surface ships, then laser, high-frequency or ultrasonic emitters can be made that disable fuses, optics and electronics.
  22. nobody75
    nobody75 18 November 2022 13: 08
    +1
    What stability does this pelvis have? For example, there is a storm at sea now ... And what is her seaworthiness? The Black Sea is insidious...
    Sincerely
  23. Pavel57
    Pavel57 18 November 2022 13: 17
    0
    It is necessary to install stationary artillery systems at the entrance to the ports.
  24. Vasya Vasiliev_2
    Vasya Vasiliev_2 18 November 2022 15: 25
    0
    need some networks or tracking sensors to install and shoot automatically such values
  25. AnAAsd
    AnAAsd 18 November 2022 15: 42
    0
    Something reminds me of the story of the American Cook in the Black Sea and the Chimera ... makes me smile
  26. Last centurion
    Last centurion 18 November 2022 16: 06
    +2
    What competencies do you need there? It's like competencies for geraniums. The circle of ship modeling needs a year and a fifth grader. Arduino or Raspbury is better, a python programmer, any brushless motor, a gearbox, a sealed housing from anything, a lithium battery doesn’t care how much you need for weight - it doesn’t fly tea, a Chinese engine of 20 kilowatts, a jeepies with Ali for 400 rubles, explosives, a fuse . Everything. We enter the coordinates of the jeepies into the arduino (received from the spy satellite) or into the royal Raspbury, well then put the camera on (you can also write AI on Raspbury to recognize ships in order to fuck a specific type). The rest of the frills like starlink internet or video transmission require a 2k dollar Indian programmer to marry Raspbury with a starlink data stream. Everything. Pugachev to the bar. For the money that Green collects, you can arrange such a noble drink. What does he do
    1. Eule
      Eule 18 November 2022 21: 00
      +3
      That is the problem. You can literally build such boats in garages, glue the hull in one, make parts in the other, and assemble in the third. Boat propellers - are sold freely with delivery, as well as water jet hulls. The motor is from an old passenger car from a landfill, it needs to work at constant power for a couple of days and that's it. The starter may not even be needed - start with an external drive before launching, only the generator and the old lead battery as a buffer between the generator and the electronics.
      But even with a working radar on the ship, the AK-630 will sink it with a half-second burst confidently, from a few kilometers, and then transfer the fire to the next one. The massive launch will not help - there are a lot of shells in the cellar, and retargeting is a second.
  27. Plowman
    Plowman 18 November 2022 16: 38
    0
    We do not have such, as well as drones. When you read the lines from the margins, you wonder what our comrade Shoigu was doing, besides his exercises in the relaxation room. And hundreds of our dead fighters cannot be filmed at night.
  28. garik77
    garik77 18 November 2022 21: 42
    0
    Quote: Lech from Android.
    These barriers are expensive and you can't put them everywhere.
    And PB can be thrown out from submarines ... let's wait for aviation to participate in this progress.

    Do xoxls have a submarine fleet? And "torpedo-carrying" aircraft? laughing
  29. Eug
    Eug 19 November 2022 04: 13
    +1
    A cool and very promising idea is to create military products from civilian components, which are much cheaper and the supply of which can’t be blocked ... the output is a “wartime product” - cheap, low-resource, but here you can vary - reconnaissance. and tracking drones with a larger resource, sabotage drones - with a minimum and corresponding cost.
  30. Igorash
    Igorash 19 November 2022 14: 06
    +3
    the conclusion is incorrect ... It is necessary to cut off Ukraine from the Black Sea ...
  31. Arisaka
    Arisaka 19 November 2022 14: 35
    0
    In general, a very strange device. Camera frame - corners, screws. The case is also bolted. That is, the production of some very strange. Non-technological. No rivets, no welding. I do not argue that it floats and works, but it is like a club of technical creativity without the hand of process engineers. Brains to the motor some kind of VEMS thread and stuff like that. Again, it is clear from the motor wiring that they tried, but it is clear that they were amateurs. So, the potential is definitely not yet revealed.
  32. Fangaro
    Fangaro 19 November 2022 22: 56
    -1
    Our Navy is the best in the world!
    But ...
    ...with an autonomy of up to 60 hours and a top speed of 80 km/h...
    Is it quite simple? This is a ship moving on the surface of the water.
    Control via signal transmission without wires must be interrupted by interference. This is difficult due to anti-jamming algorithms. But with information about the frequency range of control, and the proposed algorithms, the likelihood of leaving such boats without a rudder increases.
    1. Garik Gorkin
      Garik Gorkin 20 November 2022 02: 29
      0
      It complicates the fact that satellite communications are narrowly focused. Thus, satellites in the sky will have to be jammed, of which there are many and they are always on the move. And the silencer should be located in the same area (a spot of 40 kilometers on the ground) as the subscriber terminal (unmanned vehicle).
  33. Evgeny_Sviridenko
    Evgeny_Sviridenko 20 November 2022 00: 55
    0
    I don’t understand something ... Is it really impossible to burn out the electronics of any drone? If they can’t get into the surface trough from machine guns and cannons. AK rate of fire - 630 4000 - 5000 rounds per minute for example. But I suppose that the training of the shooters, and indeed the crews in general, leaves much to be desired. They are not ready for such threats.
    1. agond
      agond 20 November 2022 10: 21
      0
      Quote: Garik Gorkin
      And the silencer should be located in the same area (a spot of 40 kilometers on the ground) as the subscriber terminal (unmanned vehicle).

      Ideally, the silencer should be on the line between the satellite and the device, and there are many satellites, many silencers will be required, so this method of struggle is difficult to implement, it is better to detect them from the air, for example, from an anti-submarine aircraft, it has a lot of all sorts of detection tools.
  34. Skif
    Skif 20 November 2022 17: 52
    0
    And who will pay for this "fleet" of Taras-155? Cheap fish is a bad fish. That's what the Mikols themselves say.
  35. Machiavelli
    Machiavelli 21 November 2022 09: 51
    0
    Quote: Ka-52
    their cheapness and the ability to rivet hundreds of them in workshops

    for 10 million hryvnias in hundreds? Ukrainians cannot saturate their troops with even simpler and cheaper weapons, they run around the world with outstretched hands, and then a billion hryvnias for drones

    About the same the other day in Novorossiysk, a drone attacked the Sheskharis oil terminal.
  36. the same doctor
    the same doctor 21 November 2022 13: 25
    0
    Ukrainians and Americans are building up power, and Nabiulina and Siluanov are titrating investments so as not to overpay. Everyone is thinking: put five drones on the front or 4 will be enough. But in fact, drones need forty thousand a month.
  37. Vlad Gor
    Vlad Gor 24 November 2022 20: 42
    0
    It’s quite difficult to detect and destroy a drone walking under a snorkel, it’s small, it’s not a submarine, you won’t see it from a satellite among the waves in cloudy weather, the radar doesn’t see it either, there remains a sonar station, but there are already other problems, so sea drones promising. Imagine a warhead of 1000 kg, when it reaches the target it goes like a torpedo, the speed is 100 knots.
  38. AC130 Gunship
    AC130 Gunship 25 November 2022 00: 37
    0
    Not Prseidon, of course, but it floats and really works and costs 1000 times cheaper
  39. Andrey Yves
    Andrey Yves 26 November 2022 19: 31
    0
    The third way has not been voiced, to cut off Ukraine from access to the sea. What should have been done at the beginning of the NWO
  40. Average-NavyFan
    Average-NavyFan 4 December 2022 01: 36
    0
    And why all this? Some kind of ultramosquito fleet