Weapons on a 3D printer

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Weapons on a 3D printer
3D short-range missile parts


Weapon XXI century. There are never too many weapons. Surplus, if someone decides that it is surplus, can always be sold, donated, and even simply disposed of at a profit. Well, in a war it is simply a sin to save ammunition - the more we throw explosives at the enemy, the ... faster we will realize the goals of military operations. But here's the problem... By tradition, weapons and ammunition are made from the best materials, steel and other metals, and this is expensive and not environmentally friendly.



It takes four tons of fresh water to smelt one ton of metal. Which after that will be undrinkable. And why would we then need thousands of steel shells if we do not have enough ordinary drinking water? In addition, the same shell bodies are also processed on lathes. And this is a shaving that needs to be collected and melted again. That is, the production of the past is very irrational from a technological point of view: a lot of water, a lot of waste, a lot of man-hours that need to be paid.

In the XNUMXst century, weapons and ammunition need to be produced differently.

"Printed Weapon"


In particular, today 3D printing technologies can be used for this. An example that has become a textbook refers to an event 10 years ago. Then in 2013, American student Cody Wilson 3D printed the very first plastic pistol that could fire live ammunition.

Further more - in 2017, a hand-held grenade launcher and more ammunition for it were printed on a 3D printer at the US Army Weapons Research Center. Moreover, it was emphasized that all the details were made in 3D technology. The well-known M40 A203 hand-held 1-mm grenade launcher and the M781 training grenade were taken as the basis for the design, since it was forbidden to make combat ones for it.

Printed grenade launcher...


To "print" a grenade launcher and grenades for it, several types of three-dimensional printing were used at once. The first is direct metal laser sintering, when the laser fuses the original metal powder into one part in layers, 3D printing from plastic and casting plastic parts in molds.

The greatest difficulty was the printing of the grenade launcher barrel, along with rifling, which was made of aluminum. The receiver was also made of aluminum. The trigger, drummer and trigger of the grenade launcher were also “printed”, but only from a steel alloy of the 4340 brand. The pistol grip butt, of course, was also made of plastic - the simplest parts for this technology in this case.

As a result, it turned out that in the grenade launcher only springs, mounting pins and screws were made in the traditional way, and everything else was made in the technology of the XNUMXst century.

True, both the barrel and the receiver had to be further processed and removed from the surface of roughness, and anodized for even greater rigidity.

In general, the manufacture of the grenade launcher required 70 hours for the actual printing and five hours for anodizing and fine machining. In general, this does not mean anything - it is a lot or a little. But they say prices that can be compared.


203D printed M1 A3 grenade launcher

So, the cost of a printed grenade launcher turned out to be a little more than a hundred dollars, and the lion's share of the cost fell on metal powders for layer-by-layer sintering. But the M203 A1 grenade launcher, made using standard technology, costs 1,1 thousand dollars. That is, 3D printing has even surpassed traditional production in terms of its cost effectiveness.

"Best the enemy of the good"


True, there are spots on the sun. Standard grenade cases are cast from zinc. But it was not possible to print them from zinc due to its specific properties. Printed from steel. But the steel grenade ripped off the aluminum barrel. They covered it with plastic. The plastic began to peel off! Then the grenade was made of aluminum, and it turned out to be lighter than zinc, and its firing range increased, which immediately made it impossible to use the old sight. The problem, of course, is “just grandiose”.

Well, according to the technology of three-dimensional printing, such details as a sleeve, a primer and ... a propelling powder charge were not made. It's just that in the US there is a ban on the use of explosives in products made using 3D technology.

But until recently, 3D printers could only be found in some research institutes. They helped create product prototypes, but nothing more. However, some 10-15 years have passed and additive manufacturing methods have been actively used both in the automotive industry and in aviation, and in the aerospace industry, as well as in medicine and instrumentation. And its benefits are obvious: this is a more economical consumption of raw materials and, most importantly, the possibility of producing geometrically very complex products.

In addition, the materials from which the printed parts are made are also beneficial. For example, ABS plastic is a modern synthetic thermoplastic that is widely used today among other structural materials. It has high strength and wear resistance, durability in operation, although it “does not like” ultraviolet radiation. It can be used at temperatures up to +80 °C, while maintaining all its technical properties. It is important that it is non-toxic and can withstand temperatures up to 100 °C for a short time. And ABS plastic is excellent for machining.

Other printing plastics or filaments are also known, in addition to ABC: PLA, PETG, Flex. Each has its own specific characteristics, so you can always choose the right one. That is, 3D printing opens up truly limitless possibilities for creating functional and highly efficient structures, including those in the military sphere.

And what about the price? For example, PETG plastic costs 10 rubles per gram, which, in principle, is relatively inexpensive.


3D printed Washbear revolver

"After a single-shot pistol, an eight-shot revolver!"


By the way, as noted above, progress in “printed weapons” does not stand still, and the original six- or eight-shot revolver with an interchangeable drum chambered for .22LR cartridges has already been printed there in the USA. Its name is strange: Washbear, because it doesn't look like it, but it works!

The printing of an eight-shot revolver was made of ABS plastic, reinforced inside the drum with metal inserts. But a six-shot can be printed at all from a special nylon Bridge Nylon.

And what about us?


And we have the F2 innovations company, founded by graduates of the Perm National Research Polytechnic University (PNRPU), offers the F3 Gigantry granule 2D printer, capable of printing the largest products.


This is what F2 Gigantry looks like

The F2 Gigantry is a conventional 3D machine in which polymer granules are melted and fed to a printer that performs trajectory motion and layer-by-layer printing. But she is only capable of creating parts up to 4 meters long, 2 meters wide and 1 meter high. At the same time, it prints with a productivity of up to 10 kg / h, and it can also work on recycled materials, that is, on recycled granulate.

In general, the technology of such printing is not at all new, only such large Russian installations as F2 Gigantry have not yet been on our market.

The benefits of F2 Gigantry allow factories, and in particular the aerospace industry, to produce large-sized polymer parts very quickly and cheaply. The total costs are thus reduced by about 40 times compared to traditional technologies.

Interestingly, the first production printer, the F2 Gigantry model, was designed ... for a personal order to print tooling for the manufacture of composite wings for aircraft. But F2 Gigantry can be used in any field, including the field of military production.

"Rockets on the Line"


Now let's look at the photos. On them, a model of the V-2 rocket, assembled from parts printed on a 3D printer. There are 5 parts in total. This means that you need 5 printers and five workers who would process the finished parts at the time when the machine prints the next ones. At the same time, he is also engaged in their assembly. The one who is responsible for the "nose" inserts a fuse into it. Those who "have nothing much to do" when the part is processed, participates in filling the finished rocket with explosives. The person in charge of the tail section inserts a powder engine wrapped in asbestos into it.


5 short-range rocket parts

Then, again, one of these 5 workers inserts the finished rocket into a cassette, also printed on a 3D printer, only in a large size, or made and assembled from a metal profiled sheet. The electrical wiring of the electric fuses is connected, and the “product X” is sent to the front. It is easily transported, easily camouflaged, and its range allows it to cover a large area with fire.

Such production works continuously, day and night, only shifts change. Moreover, it can be located in a concrete bunker not very far from the front line. The main thing here is good camouflage of access roads.

And after use, the cassette is disassembled and sent back or used to equip trenches!


Three last details

Similarly, you can print and Drones. Large printer only. We print "bottom", we print "top", and with a minimum consumption of the cheapest plastic - after all, the flight is one way. The control unit is modular, the power battery is also a module with quick disconnect terminals, the fuel tank is ready, the charge is ready in the form of a “melon” with ready-made fragments, cumulative-fragmentation action, the camera is also a separate unit, which is screwed into place with four screws. Both halves of the body are glued together with superglue. That is, the assembly is similar to the Meccano children's designer.

In order not to be mistaken, the assembler can mark all the details with clearly visible numbers, and also their seats with numbers: 1 + 1, 7 + 7, yes, by the way, the seats themselves are only suitable for these parts, so item 8 in slot 9 do not insert.

The engine is our model MK-12V or analogues of the Super Tiger and Bangei 600 engines, with which such an “aircraft” could reach speeds of up to 225 km / h. This UAV starts with the help of a launch accelerator, which is reset after takeoff.


"Product X" is completely ready for launch

It is interesting that such "factories" can be installed on ships with great profit. After all, ready-made UAVs take up a lot of space during storage, but here they can be stored as they are produced and launched, which will save both space and time to carry out an attack with their help.

This is how the war of the XNUMXst century should be (and will be!). And the sooner the “decision makers” realize this, the better.
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  1. +13
    20 November 2022 06: 13
    There is already a full-fledged war with 3d printers - the fact is that when any Bobby can print a "company" at home - the prices for sawmill products littered at the zenith - immediately go to the forest. The most famous example is either a catheter or a cartridge for a ventilator printed in Italy at the height of Covid. The company cannot deliver, but it is necessary urgently - so they printed it out. He came out with another 100 tanks instead of 10000 from the company))) With weapons, it will be even cooler in terms of money. And at the same time, Apple, with their eternally non-standard connectors, will go to hell)))
    Moral - in Russia it is necessary to develop, and centrally, at the expense of the state. A simple example is to knock out the grandmas, how much syringes, tires, or at least droppers will be delivered to the Ust-Vilyuisk hospital by northern delivery! And how much will it take to deliver a printer with powders once.
    Homemade rockets and pistols are still handicraft. But in medicine... It's definitely on fire right now.
    And on "dear partners" put with the device - pirated software and unlicensed copies of the same cartridges - considered trophy
    1. +5
      20 November 2022 09: 12
      Let it burn, impudence at the prices of consumables is prohibitive. The original cartridge for the printer costs as much as half a printer, that's why? The same plastic stamping as 5-8 years ago, a couple of metal parts and powder, the recipe of which is unlikely to have changed much over the past five years. Nasty built-in chips that count the number of printed sheets and block printing even if there is powder in the hopper. Especially in color they mess up: the color is over, even the black and white cannot be printed - there is no powder!
      Separately, according to the design of the cartridge - they became semi-usable, do not refuel, do not replace anything (the gears are the same), the design itself is on snot, inserted it wrong - it broke. When buying a printer, an ordinary person may not even guess how much he will get when buying a consumable.
      I don’t have enough swear words to express feedback on all these innovations. Yes, there is a cheap replacement, but not everything is so good there. Because the printer does not accept a cartridge without a chip. And hacked firmware is not always available. With all the rest of the appropriate geometry... Insolence and greed flourish. Buyer care? What is it? Money is more important.
      1. +2
        20 November 2022 16: 45
        In China, already, residential buildings for people are being printed ...
        1. +2
          20 November 2022 19: 54
          We are also experimenting with this. But the convenience of these buildings remains to be tested. Winter-summer-rainy-heat-cold. I wouldn't risk moving to one at the moment. Is that free and for the summer.
        2. 0
          23 November 2022 09: 15
          We were the first to do this, the printer prints walls of any shape with concrete. Of the minuses - the wall must be post-processed, otherwise it is ribbed. In terms of strength, I think it will be stronger than block, because there are no joints.
          1. 0
            25 January 2023 22: 16
            this formwork is printed, then you need to put with handles between two thin, printed walls, reinforcement and insulation + as you wrote, give a decorative look ..... with a spatula)
      2. +1
        21 November 2022 23: 17
        Nasty built-in chips that count the number of printed sheets and block printing even if there is powder in the hopper.

        But there are good people who help solve such problems. winked
        1. +3
          22 November 2022 06: 27
          There is. But you must admit, it looks wild: I bought a printer, immediately carried it to reflash out of greed (and sometimes the firmware is quite expensive) in order to use the same cartridges, only without a chip. And it is unlikely that the manufacturer is not aware of this.
          And the buyer, most likely, next time will take a printer from another manufacturer, more adequate.
          And by the way, according to the current agenda in the world, it seems to me very strongly that the time for disposable things is coming to an end. It's just stupid because with the crisis it will be cheaper and more profitable to repair than to buy a new one. And electronics manufacturers will be the first to fall under this pressure.
          1. +2
            22 November 2022 07: 37
            And by the way, according to the current agenda in the world, it seems to me very strongly that the time for disposable things is coming to an end. It's just stupid because with the crisis it will be cheaper and more profitable to repair than to buy a new one. And electronics manufacturers will be the first to fall under this pressure.

            Yes. The situation with the release of new technology has reached absurdity. On the one hand, we are told about ecology and green energy, and on the other hand, manufacturers artificially set a minimum resource for manufactured equipment so that the consumer throws away the old and runs to buy new. Those endless software updates unnecessarily, The release of more and more new operating systems without much improvement for the average consumer, the lack of drivers for the old completely working hardware for new operas. systems, etc. Assembly on plastic latches, some bearings made of zinc alloy with guan, etc. Then all this after a short time in a landfill. And these people tell us about progress and ecology.
            1. +1
              23 November 2022 09: 18
              Well, ecology is one thing, but the benefit for the firm and the little lady is another, for the benefit he will spit on the environment and human life too.
      3. +2
        23 November 2022 09: 14
        Congratulations, you bought a tightly proprietary printer, if you took something like at least a flying bear, or one of our manufacturers (I'm already silent about what you could stupidly do yourself, like "adult" printers), then such sadness would Did not happen.
        1. 0
          23 November 2022 09: 30
          I'm talking about regular printers. It's like not doing it yourself. But since we are talking about "make it yourself, like adult printers" - thank you, I need printing, here and now, and not months of waiting for spare parts and weeks of setting up different configurations. In the hope that this self-collection will print normally. And it seems that you can’t even imagine what sadness can happen during self-collection. From fig printing, to burning the printer itself with a blue flame. Or yellow.
          If you collect for self-education, I understand this. If it's for commerce, well... good luck.
          1. 0
            23 November 2022 10: 49
            I'm talking about regular printers. It's like not doing it yourself.

            Tell this tale about "not to do" to those (including me) who assembled printers on their own.
            But since we are talking about "make it yourself, like adult printers" - thank you, I need printing, here and now, and not months of waiting for spare parts and weeks of setting up different configurations. In the hope that this self-collection will print normally.

            A question of directness of hands, accuracy and a fresh head.
            And it seems that you can’t even imagine what sadness can happen during self-collection. From fig printing, to burning the printer itself with a blue flame. Or yellow.

            You are talking about the fact that "a printer from the factory is more reliable than self-assembly" tell the owners of a6 anets, who just watched this blaze. If a person assembles himself, he usually uses the best kit that he can find, moreover, many build fire protection systems into their printer, and this is not even on very expensive printers.
            If you collect for self-education, I understand this. If it's for commerce, well... good luck.

            Listen, dear, please remain respected. If you are not knowledgeable in this matter, then you do not need to express your assumptions and conjectures so categorically as a fact. This is for the post in general, now according to the quote - For commerce, self-collection is not collected, at least because it is a banal pity, because such a printer is usually more reliable and better than most factory ones, and if you calculate the commercial cost, it will come out quite expensive.
            PS> In most printers, chipping is not used, it was enough just not to get out, but to take a normal printer, and not a claim for "an iPhone in the 3D world." Wanted "like an iPhone", get the same problems.
            1. 0
              23 November 2022 11: 17
              If you are not knowledgeable in this matter, then you do not need to express your assumptions and conjectures so categorically as a fact.

              This is speculation. Is self collection safer? Yeah. I have seen more than once how self-assembly is not only unreliable, but also after a while it is simply unrepairable.
              For commerce, self-collection is not collected, at least because it is a banal pity, because such a printer is usually more reliable and better than most factory ones, and if you calculate the commercial cost, it will come out quite expensive.

              Amazing logic: self-collection is expensive for commerce, but normal for yourself. Well, why do I need an expensive self-collection, with a meter-long table? Print figurines?
              Most printers do not use chipping, it was enough just not to get out, but to take a normal printer

              Link to a normal printer without chips in the studio.
              1. 0
                23 November 2022 11: 40
                This is speculation. Is self collection safer? Yeah. I have seen more than once how self-assembly is not only unreliable, but also after a while it is simply unrepairable.

                You continue to stubbornly climb into the bottle, as I understand it? Since you like to demand links so much, then be kind enough to "link to the studio" to the burnt self-collection. At the same time, let's look at what he made it from, from normal components, or from cardboard and a motor from a janitor. The last, if anything, is not a printer.
                Amazing logic: self-collection is expensive for commerce, but normal for yourself. Well, why do I need an expensive self-collection, with a meter-long table? Print figurines?
                Because you don’t have it, there is not enough experience to assemble your printer to your needs and an incomplete understanding of why a printer is needed at all. For you, the printer, yes, the maximum "print figures".
                Link to a normal printer without chips in the studio.
                Did your parents not teach you politeness? For example, it would be useful for strangers to sometimes say "please." Especially if you hope to get help from them in solving your problem (in this case, replacing your "miracle" with a chip).
                1. 0
                  23 November 2022 11: 53
                  Well, firstly, I do not intend to prove or show you anything, because you yourself have not shown or proved anything.
                  Secondly, I have enough experience and I don’t print figures on my printers at all. Although the photopolymer is for figurines, the printer fulfills orders and its own.
                  Thirdly, I thought, I think, and I will think that a self-assembly printer, when working for a long time, and especially in commerce, will lose to a factory one. And in terms of reliability, and durability, and maintainability. No matter how bright the mind collects it.
                  Fourthly, politeness was lost by you in the previous post on the unfounded accusation of me and on the word "get out".
                  For this I prefer to stop this empty conversation.
                  1. 0
                    23 November 2022 12: 59
                    Clearly, he himself began in a raised voice, he himself undertook a "tactical retreat."
      4. 0
        25 January 2023 22: 20
        Quote: Wedmak
        Nasty built-in chips

        Watch the documentary "light bulb conspiracy", where you will be prompted to solve the problem. The software is free.
    2. +3
      23 November 2022 09: 11
      Uncle, we printed these mouthpieces and some other details for ventilators by the thousands during the covid, if anything. For this, the Ministry of Health made special orders, supplied plastic, and to any printer who wanted it. So we are here as quickly as possible bypassed the whole world.
      It would be nice now in the Moscow Region the same zeal as it was in the Ministry of Health.
      1. +1
        23 November 2022 09: 29
        Here is the buzz. It’s just that I myself haven’t been ferschal for a long time, I don’t know the situation on the fronts)
    3. 0
      25 January 2023 04: 44
      "syringes, tires, even droppers" - this is basically a mass product whose cost is low. 3D printing won't pay for itself. Yes, and such products are stored for a long time - there are no problems bringing them to Ust-Vilyuisk with a large margin (well, except for organizational and financial problems). And the asepticity of printed syringes and droppers will be a huge problem to ensure. In addition, there are still needles in syringes and droppers - it is unlikely that 3D printing will be able to produce a high-quality needle.
  2. +3
    20 November 2022 06: 22
    If you delve into the possibilities of 3D printers, it is simply breathtaking... after all, when developing the appropriate printheads and raw materials for the product, there are no big restrictions for creating not only things, but also living organisms.
    Well, for example, if you deepen the development of 3D printing into the depths of molecules and atoms, you can create new drugs, bacteria, viruses at the atomic level.
    Or, for example, in the exploration of other planets where there is raw material for creating the products necessary for survival on them ... but this is a matter of the distant future.
    So far, the people who created this device have very primitive desires at the level of a primitive person ... this is to print a killer stick and a cave where you can hide from this stick.
    1. +5
      20 November 2022 09: 22
      If you delve into the possibilities of 3D printers, it is simply breathtaking... after all, when developing the appropriate printheads and raw materials for the product, there are no big restrictions for creating not only things, but also living organisms.

      Theoretically, a person can be transferred by phone. But the difficulties that arise in this case are currently insurmountable.
      (T.A. Edison)
    2. -2
      22 November 2022 00: 24
      Quote: Lech from Android.
      the development of 3D printing into the depths of molecules and atoms, it is possible to create new drugs, bacteria, viruses at the atomic level.

      Lech, you won’t believe it, they are already working in the direction of printing out food)) and our turbo-patriots are campaigning for the gptu of turner welders and that those 700 thousand escaped IT people are not the right segment ..
      1. +1
        23 November 2022 09: 21
        They don’t work, but they are already printing, again ours, printing with caramel, chocolate, etc. people on the forum of printers laid out their work, a feast for the eyes. He assembled it himself, he prints it himself, the design is simple as a cart.
  3. +9
    20 November 2022 06: 55
    It takes four tons of fresh water to smelt one ton of metal. Which after that will be undrinkable. And why would we then need thousands of steel shells if we do not have enough ordinary drinking water?
    Does metal need to be smelted for 3D printing?
    3D printing has its undeniable advantages. You can't argue here. Only here its apologists see only the result. When the print head moves back and forth on the machine. .
    1. +5
      20 November 2022 09: 27
      its apologists see only the result

      And they are also sure that electricity is taken from the socket, and the wind blows from the fact that the trees sway.
      And all this comes from the fact that if, like Greta Thunberg, instead of going to school, you go to demonstrations, then you don’t give a damn about Newton’s 3rd law.
      1. 0
        23 November 2022 09: 29
        A 3D printer spends much less energy than it takes to melt metal or plastic during casting, I’m already silent about the energy spent on processing a cast workpiece.
        Printers just don't go to demonstrations, as far as I know 99.99% of printers are patriots. It is the printers who usually rally if they are called out, although now it is more difficult, because of the khokhlyar and the work of the cissists, they paralyzed the work of the sites with whining and flooding.
        1. -1
          3 December 2022 20: 55
          In fact, everything is not so clear. In wartime, in the manufacture of weapons, only machine time is taken into account. Because time is a resource. To make 20 PPS or 8 PPSh - the choice was clear, as well as between the "mosinka" and SVT, which was done four times longer.
          The main advantage of 3D printers is the ability to make a new design as quickly as possible. For an area in which technology is developing very quickly, such as UAVs, this is a valuable property. Last night a review from the front - today they made changes - tomorrow an improved apparatus at the front.
          1. 0
            8 December 2022 09: 25
            Well, in principle, you have not refuted my words. Although it would be quite interesting to print the same Kalash with metal, given how many of their components can be stuffed into a cube with a side of 1m.
            1. 0
              2 February 2023 12: 10
              stamping is faster and easier, and most importantly cheaper. In production, the cost of consumables for a mass product is not the cost of production. There are depreciation of funds, salaries, taxes and much more.
    2. +3
      20 November 2022 09: 39
      And the fact that this is the result, they think so.
      The result is in operation.
      A printed grenade launcher can shoot 10 times - the result?
      Issue him for testing to the troops, let the soldiers drag him through the mountains, sands, swamps for a year, leave him in the back of a car, while shooting a couple of dozen grenades every day and evaluating accuracy.
      Then you'll see what it's worth.

      Rocket? Yeah, will the combustion chamber and nozzle be printed?
      Projectile? With what precision?
      Will the printed projectile withstand acceleration when fired?

      The author is another spotlight.
      Any "innovations" must be carefully studied and calculated.
      1. +3
        20 November 2022 10: 33
        I heard about the combustion chamber out of the corner of my ear. Not sure.
        But screws for ships, rostik are printed in 2 human sizes. And not from plastic According to Discovery, the transmission was.
      2. +3
        20 November 2022 15: 36
        Rocket? Yeah, will the combustion chamber and nozzle be printed?

        Well, actually ALREADY printed and already working. And it's reusable.
      3. +2
        20 November 2022 22: 30
        Quote: VicktorVR
        And the fact that this is the result, they think so.
        The result is in operation.
        A printed grenade launcher can shoot 10 times - the result?
        Issue him for testing to the troops, let the soldiers drag him through the mountains, sands, swamps for a year, leave him in the back of a car, while shooting a couple of dozen grenades every day and evaluating accuracy.
        Then you'll see what it's worth.

        Rocket? Yeah, will the combustion chamber and nozzle be printed?
        Projectile? With what precision?
        Will the printed projectile withstand acceleration when fired?

        The author is another spotlight.
        Any "innovations" must be carefully studied and calculated.

        Sorry Victor, but you are right about something. And in what it is not. First, make shells, bullets, etc. for a firearm is still hardly possible. But military products for endocratic use are quite possible. For example, there are no problems imprinting RGD-5 type grenades. And at MIT in the states they printed a 3D turbojet engine. Yes, the resource was only 5 (five) hours of warranty work, but if you think about it, this is quite enough for the "Caliber" CR, for example, it only takes 2,5 hours of work with a shot at 2000 km. For shock UAVs - kamikaze or Geranium type is quite suitable. And the engine printed on 3D worked for 5 hours because its parameters were unlikely to be prohibitive, and the material itself is CERAMIC METAL. So for certain tasks 3D is quite suitable. It is probably not a problem to make shells for the Grad or missiles for anti-tank systems from cermet. So 3D printers in military production have their own niche. It is quite another matter that effective managers in the military-industrial complex do not need 3D printers for nothing. They only earn dough, and for this purpose it is necessary to prove that the military acceptance of the production costs OH WHAT BIG.
        1. 0
          23 November 2022 09: 34
          MLRS shells can generally be made of plastic, and the engine is either traditional, or with heat-resistant inserts, or printed from powders, but titanium powder is expensive, and stainless xs will keep the temperature, or not, but in any case, isolate it from a plastic part, for example , a farm of knitting needles like rockets.
          1. 0
            23 November 2022 10: 24
            MLRS shells can generally be made of plastic

            It's also interesting to look at it...
            1. +1
              23 November 2022 11: 02
              It's also interesting to look at it...
              And what will stop them? The rocket flies straight ahead, a plastic cylinder with 30% filling in which explosives are filled will not go anywhere, the MLRS rocket does not do any sharp maneuvers, so it can also be made from ABS. You don't have to look, you have to count and try to do it. Small model rockets are made and they fly, and all over the world.
          2. -1
            2 January 2023 12: 31
            MLRS shells can generally be made of plastic, and the engine is either traditional, or with heat-resistant inserts, or printed from powders, but titanium powder is expensive, and stainless xs will keep the temperature, or not, but in any case, isolate it from a plastic part, for example , a farm of knitting needles like rockets.

            In fact, nickel-containing stainless steels are the most heat-resistant material, and titanium is much inferior to any stainless steel in terms of thermal strength. And printing parts from heat-resistant stainless steel (for example, blades for turbojet engines) is absolutely unrealistic .. okay, I got in here in vain, this is a holiday for amateurs ...
        2. 0
          8 December 2022 09: 33
          First, make shells, bullets, etc. for a firearm is still hardly possible.

          It is possible, but pointless, because in the traditional way to make it faster is too simple a design.
          And at MIT in the states they printed a 3D turbojet engine. Yes, the resource was only 5 (five) hours of warranty work, but if you think about it, this is quite enough for the "Caliber" CR, for example, it only takes 2,5 hours of work with a shot at 2000 km.

          It all depends on the material, you can print much more durable products, but the secondary circuit (hot) is cheaper to do in the traditional way, everything else is printed
          It is probably not a problem to make shells for the Grad or missiles for anti-tank systems from cermet.
          In general, you can use structural plastic - 400 rubles for 50 kg. On a rocket somewhere kg-5-6. Hypothetically, a burn-out engine will melt and remove plastic particles, forming a new nozzle near the combustion source. You can even make the engine solid rings to make this process manageable.
          It is quite another matter that effective managers in the military-industrial complex do not need 3D printers for free. They only earn dough, and for this purpose it is necessary to prove that the military acceptance of the production costs OH WHAT BIG.
          Not in the eyebrow, but in the eye.
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      5. +1
        23 November 2022 09: 31
        I don’t know about missiles, I haven’t done it yet (and you can’t, they’ll put you in jail), but all sorts of auto parts last about three times longer than the original ones.
    3. +7
      20 November 2022 11: 19
      Does metal need to be smelted for 3D printing?

      Smelt half the trouble, hundreds of tons will be shipped to you from any plant. Only here is the nuance, the printers use not just metal powder or granules. It must be clean - once, in most cases, these are alloys that also need to be obtained, turned into a pure fine powder - two.
      Example Ti6Al4V is the most common titanium alloy. Even rocket nozzles can be printed. That's just turning it into powder, then another entertainment.
      You should also not forget about heat treatment after printing, refinement on other machines to obtain the desired quality.
      1. 0
        23 November 2022 09: 40
        Nonsense, printers use powder made from chips, which is sintered by a laser, the main thing is that the fraction is uniform, they may not be pure, but impurities will not dissolve and become part of the entire alloy, but will settle in a specific area, so not necessarily, but desirable to keep the powder clean.
        It also turns into a powder easily, chips and small parts from the same material are poured into a drum with holes of the right size and it all spins for several hours. Postprocessing after printing is needed only if the print resolution is low, this applies mainly to home printers, and then only if the roughness harms the product.
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          23 November 2022 10: 31
          but impurities will not dissolve and become part of the whole alloy

          And the product becomes unpredictable in terms of strength, and even outright marriage. Powder and time spent, the product is scrapped, the customer apparently has to wait for the pure powder to arrive.
          It also turns into a powder easily, chips and small parts from the same material are poured into a drum with holes of the right size and it all spins for several hours.

          titanium alloy???? Link please?
          Post-processing after printing is needed only if the print resolution is low, this applies mainly to home printers, and then only if the roughness harms the product.

          Not always the surface after printing corresponds to the desired one.
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            23 November 2022 11: 08
            And the product becomes unpredictable in terms of strength, and even outright marriage. Powder and time spent, the product is scrapped, the customer apparently has to wait for the pure powder to arrive.
            You exaggerate. If it withstands strength and performance tests, then absolutely do not give a shit about pure powder there, or with a couple of impurities.
            titanium alloy???? Link please?

            Link to what? on a titanium alloy, or on a tumbling drum?
            Not always the surface after printing corresponds to the desired one.

            This is demagogy. There is the concept of "surface roughness" and there are requirements for surface roughness, if you look at at least the same crankcase block of a car, it is not processed from the outside, because there are no strict requirements for the roughness of this product. Not everything that is made has to be as smooth as a mirror. The cases of bombs and bombs generally don’t give a shit about roughness, even if it’s all pimply there, the end user is unlikely to complain.
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            3. +1
              9 December 2022 20: 35
              Quote from SincerityX
              This is demagogy. There is the concept of "surface roughness" and there are requirements for surface roughness, if you look at at least the same crankcase block of a car, it is not processed from the outside, because there are no strict requirements for the roughness of this product. Not everything that is made has to be as smooth as a mirror. The cases of bombs and bombs generally don’t give a shit about roughness, even if it’s all pimply there, the end user is unlikely to complain.


              Hello, it's nice to deal with someone who understands the subject. As for the bombs, you are not quite right. The outer surface of the bombs needs to be free of roughness to reduce air resistance when it is on an external sling, and every unevenness of the body to one degree or another affects the accuracy of hitting the target. Those. to a certain circular deviation. But from the inside of the body of bombs, as well as shells, they are even subjected to chemical polishing to ensure more uniform crushing of the body during detonation. (I have no idea how to do this. A friend who works in the production of ammunition once talked about this) hi And here is an example with an engine block to the point. hi
              1. +1
                12 December 2022 14: 29
                hi Hello, when I cited bombs as an example, I kept in my head a picture of a closed bomb bay. To be honest, there was no particular desire to look for a more rigorous example.
    4. 0
      23 November 2022 09: 24
      Powders for 3D printing are made by grinding shavings, i.e. metal processing waste, plastic is made from granules, the same ones that are used for casting, but unlike casting, the parasitic consumption of plastic for burnout is much lower. The head is only fdm printing, but there is also resin printing, laser sintering, and many other printing technologies.
  4. +1
    20 November 2022 07: 18
    Well, for now, mass printing is only when converting VOG into bombs for quadrics. This refers to the shank AND the capsule piercing zone. And by the way, this is a very good example of using something old for a modern war. You can scale the drones and drop some heavier projectiles. Including cumulative tanks in the "roof". Just feathering them with a printed stabilizer. In general, have you noticed that tanks are becoming obsolete? So many means of their destruction ... In the future it will no longer be tanks, but apparently some kind of self-propelled howitzers with a long-range reconnaissance drone. For fighting close is such a tank for 10 minutes ...
    1. +1
      20 November 2022 07: 47
      The tank can successfully fight in the presence of reconnaissance by drones, communications and infantry cover. The use of a civilian quadrocopter already solves a number of problems. In this video, the tank manages to get out of the mortar shelling.
    2. +1
      20 November 2022 08: 23
      Quote: Last centurion
      In general, have you noticed that tanks are becoming obsolete? So many means of destruction ..

      Tanks are becoming obsolete without KAZs, without DZ of the latest generations, UAVs, without network-centric integration! PS Even self-made "visors" on the tanks turned out to be useful (!) ... only from the "other side"! "Visors" turned out to be a good defense against grenades dropped from drones, from the roofs of tall buildings and other explosive "improvisations"!
    3. +3
      20 November 2022 09: 13
      Quote: Last centurion
      Well, for now, mass printing is only when converting VOG into bombs for quadrics

      Not only VOG ... There is an engineering cumulative charge KZ-6 ... They add a contact fuse and a tail "printed" on a 3D printer ... True, it weighs more than one kg ... not every copter will take it! But there are also easier ones ... they are converting RKG-3 anti-tank grenades into small-caliber bombs!

      Plant "Mayak" Air bombs RKG-1600 (RKG-3) and KZ-4800 (KZ-6)
      "Additional" parts "printed" on a 3D printer!
      1. +4
        20 November 2022 11: 25
        It would be interesting to compare the cost of such a printed product and casting. Considering that there are thousands of these, and quickly ... casting is probably preferable.
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          23 November 2022 09: 46
          Xs xs, for casting it is necessary to prepare a mold, metal, melt it, then pour it, wait until it cools down, pull it out, clean it from sand, process it.
          If you need quickly and a lot of cases for something, then the SLS printer can immediately print a batch for the entire volume. If the details are with the requirement for roughness, then post-process with sandpaper, or use a printer with high printing accuracy.
          And at a cost, the author of the article has already written.



          Fig 1 a printer that builds in a powder bath, this does not need "supports" as in Fig 2, a detail with an "in air" build. Figure 3 is a simplified design of the powder 3D printer building chamber.
          In addition, the printer can print products of any complexity, without cutting, whole.
      2. 0
        23 November 2022 09: 44
        True, it weighs more than one kg ... not every copter will take it!

        There are cargo drones, even factory drones can easily carry up to 50kg. Homemade raise already 100+
        It’s just that they are visible to everyone in the district like a Christmas tree.
  5. +3
    20 November 2022 08: 06
    Didn't get the joke:
    True, there are spots on the sun. Standard grenade cases are cast from zinc.

    The price of zinc is 2987,0 US$ per ton. Those. 180325,19 rubles/ton.
    The price of carbon steel is about 18600 rubles / ton, i.e. 10 times cheaper. A fragment of zinc is not able to break through any more or less strong obstacle. Who, where and when made shells, mines and grenades from zinc?!
    1. +1
      20 November 2022 10: 34
      Quote: Old electrician
      Didn't get the joke:
      "True, there are spots on the sun. Standard grenade cases are cast from zinc."

      I saw this nonsense too! Just in a hurry forgot to respond! By the way, once ... at the "dawn" of the appearance of cylinder-animal shells, the leading belts were made of zinc alloys ... but they, rather quickly, were "replaced" by copper ...
    2. +2
      20 November 2022 11: 37
      I would like to remind you that in addition to the price of the material, there is also the concept of manufacturability. Zinc alloys are easy to cast and machine. For this reason, TsAM-type alloys are widely used.
      1. +1
        20 November 2022 13: 47
        I would like to remind you that in addition to the price of the material, there is also the concept of manufacturability. Zinc alloys are easy to cast and machine. For this reason, TsAM-type alloys are widely used.

        There is such a defining criterion for evaluating weapons as "cost-effectiveness". For example, the northern peoples, who were sold lead at terrifying extortionate prices, fired gold bullets. For them, it was effective. In the Urals, where there are rich deposits of platinum, in the XNUMXth century, hunters made gunshot from it. Shot and bullets made of lead and platinum are undoubtedly more effective than those made of lead (the density of these metals is higher), but to call such technical solutions "cost-effective" would not turn the tongue.
        ZAMAK is a family of zinc alloys discovered in 1929. Their main element is zinc, and alloying elements are aluminum, copper and magnesium.
        Application area
        TsAMs have been most widely used in the automotive industry. They are used to produce thin-walled carburetor and pump housings, radiator grilles and hydraulic brake elements.
        The bearing industry uses the alloy as a material for the manufacture of plain bearings and monometallic liners.
        In the textile industry, due to the ability of alloys to convey complex shades well, zippers, buttons and buttons are made.
        In the food industry, the alloy can be found as a material for parts of refrigerators, dishwashers and other household appliances.
        TsAM is used to produce triggers for small arms and bolts of injuries.
        Door fittings: handles, hinges, elements of locks, etc.
        Fishing tackle: reels, rod elements, etc.
        Increasingly, you can find TsAM in watch movements.
        All kinds of souvenirs and toys.
        In all these examples of application, there is no such indicator as mass production, while the production of ammunition implies mass production. Since it is in mass production that the cost-effectiveness criterion comes to the fore. One super cool grenade at a super price is a prodigy.
        What ammunition is produced from TsAM?
        1. +2
          20 November 2022 15: 33
          What ammunition is produced from TsAM?
          The article clearly states that the bodies of grenades for the M203-A1 grenade launcher are made of zinc alloy. I have not seen these grenades in my eyes, and therefore I am not going to dispute this. And by and large, if you are going to challenge this, then this should be done in detail, with an appropriate evidence base.
          And if it is customary for electricians to confuse platinum with zinc alloys, I do not dare to forbid this.
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            21 November 2022 12: 45
            ... And if it is customary for electricians to confuse platinum with zinc alloys, I do not dare to forbid this.
            - it's funny when the victims of the exam, having no arguments, immediately switch to insulting the person.
            Your words:
            The article clearly states that the bodies of grenades for the M203-A1 grenade launcher are made of zinc alloy.
            - Sergey Alexandrovich, as I understand it, you are not able to comprehend the text you read at all and cannot distinguish between zinc and TsAM. Because the article clearly states that
            ... Standard grenade cases are cast from zinc ...

            If zinc and ZAM are the same for you, then I don’t dare to forbid you.
            1. +1
              21 November 2022 13: 01
              Hulls will not be made of pure zinc. I understand that the lack of any significant knowledge in materials science and mechanical engineering does not allow you to understand this, but I can not help you. But at least don't make expert opinions.
        2. +1
          20 November 2022 16: 08
          In all these application examples, there is no such indicator as mass production,

          Yah??? Just TsAM - for mass production (injection molding on automatic machines)
          What ammunition is produced from TsAM?

          it is too heavy and fragile. That's it for irons and electric motor housings.
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            21 November 2022 13: 07
            You and I have different concepts of mass production. In my understanding, mass character is when in 1944 the production of cartridges in the USSR amounted to 7,4 billion pieces. I'll give you an example. The ideal case material is brass, but it is expensive and requires scarce copper and zinc to produce. Therefore, with the outbreak of war, almost all countries began to switch to steel sleeves, although they are much less technologically advanced than brass ones. Have you seen our modern army cartridges? All of them are steel. This is from there, from the experience of the Great Patriotic War. Hunting cartridges do not count - the oligarchs can shoot with platinum bullets. Ammunition from TsAM is, of course, technologically advanced, but completely ruinous in mass production.
    3. 0
      23 November 2022 09: 59
      The underbarrel grenade launcher is designed to defeat enemy manpower в shelters, and not the destruction of shelters and manpower of the enemy. Those. it is for throwing through a window and embrasure, and not for breaking through new windows and embrasures.
  6. +14
    20 November 2022 08: 36
    I will say as a person working on 3D printers:
    1. Printing with powder printers near the battle zone is such a thing. The printer is large, it requires a stable power supply, cooling, and the delivery of not very cheap consumables. Printed products are necessarily processed - supports, grinding, etc. are removed. Need
    additional machines. That is, this is such a mini plant, in fact, not very mobile. If you manage to put it all on a wheeled chassis, there will be another conversation.
    2. Printing missiles is such an application. Requires additional reinforcement materials, thermal insulation, metal parts. They need to be transported and stored somewhere. The plastic itself also requires rules for storage, drying before printing, and temperature conditions for printing itself. In the rear, this is quite possible, but not on the front. Yes, they print tails for VOGs, they don’t really need quality there, there is a form, it keeps well. But something more serious - tests and concrete decisions are needed.
    3. Printing spare parts: once in the "Military Acceptance" they showed 3D printing, the Niva was raised using a printed loop. But you need to understand that it was not ordinary plastic, but a glass-filled composite. Not every printer can cope with printing them, and those that can do it are not cheap. Yes, and consumables in the form of hardened steel or even sapphire nozzles are needed. Heating elements are also not eternal. But it is possible and necessary to print spare parts - only you need to develop a "recipe" for printing in the rear, and send ready-made instructions to the front end. There's not much time to experiment.
    4. The plastics themselves: ABS, PETG, PLA - these are the ones that are well known. There are both stronger and lighter, the question is in the development of "recipes" for use. In order not to think to the operator which plastic to use. I took it from the table for a specific sample of equipment, printed it, gave it away. And so that the operator has not one type of printer, but 2-3. For example, simple, but fast for the same shanks, more difficult, for some patches, screws on UAVs and good and expensive composites for printing, unfortunately they do not differ in speed. By the way, there are inline printers where you do not need to print, wait for cooling, remove the part, there the tape and the printer print on it, the part itself peels off and falls into a container. Just give me plastic. The scheme there is not very well developed, but this is a temporary matter.
    5. The most direct application of 3D printing is on the front, and for some reason no one says it is mines. Agree, printing a hollow body with holes for a fuse, submunitions and explosives is the easiest thing to do. Moreover, this mine is very difficult to recognize, there is a minimum of metal. And by the way, it’s not a fact that striking elements cannot be printed from metal-filled plastics. Again, tests are needed here.
    6. Biggest BUT: A 3D printer is a CNC machine. Very accurate and dependent on the quality of the guides and settings before printing. He is contraindicated in vibration, shock, sudden changes in temperature, dust, dirt. When printing from plastic, substances are released that are not worth breathing, not fatal, of course, but not worth it. Therefore, you can’t just bring them in and put them in a bunker / dugout / tent. We need a mobile 3D printing complex. The front set in motion, the complex behind it.
    In general, the technology is promising and versatile, but requires specific approaches.
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      23 November 2022 10: 04
      Dear, the range of printers is not limited to FDM products;) Try printing with resins for a change. In the "field conditions", if it weren't easier, because you need a flat surface, everything is mandatory and in principle everything, resins in hermetic packaging, it is desirable to carry out additional lighting, but for rocket bodies, probably, in principle, it doesn't matter, it's disposable anyway. Accuracy is about 40 microns at home.
      I am already silent about printers that can be produced specifically for field conditions.
      As experience shows, in "dugouts" sometimes if not cleaner than my friends printers)) laughing
      1. 0
        23 November 2022 10: 23
        I seem to be aware and have three printers at home, one of which is photopolymer. And I assure you, in the field, it will be very difficult for you to provide stable power to printers. Also, print quality is highly dependent on humidity and ambient temperature. And dust or a piece of something that accidentally gets on the filament can clog any nozzle tightly. And how you will monitor the lubrication of the guides and do maintenance for the printer in the dugout, I would like to see. Resin also needs temperature conditions, and the print speed there is ... dull. By the way, for a FOG shank, an accuracy of 40 microns is not needed. There you can make it with a 3D pen and it will work.
        I am already silent about printers that can be produced specifically for field conditions.

        Who and where does it? Even in the repair vehicle, which was shown not so long ago at the Military Acceptance, there is a civilian Hercules. With all its pros and cons. We would need to equip the army with UAVs in the required volume, and even put military 3D printers in the unit, I beg you ...
        1. 0
          23 November 2022 10: 59
          I kind of know and have three printers at home,

          Let me not believe ;)
          And dust or a piece of something that accidentally gets on the filament can clog any nozzle tightly
          Are you going to print disposable rockets with a 0.1 nozzle? Although even 0.1 from dust is not clogged, it is clogged from incorrect temperature conditions.
          And how you will monitor the lubrication of the guides and do maintenance for the printer in the dugout, I would like to see.

          Yes, just like not in a dugout, lubricate with oil. Somehow they printed details for the stand on an old rocking table on the street and nothing, it's normal.
          typing speed there ... dull.

          Well, if you compare the print speed of one 2x2 cube, then yes, but if you print 50, then the difference will be very, very noticeable.
          Who and where does it? Even in the repair vehicle, which was shown not so long ago at the Military Acceptance, there is a civilian Hercules. With all its pros and cons. We would need to equip the army with UAVs in the required volume, and even put military 3D printers in the unit, I beg you ...
          Military 3D printers ... it would be nice, but no one is doing this yet, because there is no need, the same shitty oatmeal prints perfectly on the street. If there is a need to print in conditions in which Hercules or Picasso cannot print, then they will make a printer that can print there. Well, or take just another technology. The same SLS prints beautifully at -30.
  7. +4
    20 November 2022 08: 41
    Another article by an illiterate amateur. I will give just one example - "it can be installed on ships." The author is unaware that the most expensive and difficult thing at the plant is the floor, which must be strictly leveled, have high strength, under which numerous communications pass. On a ship, of course, this can be achieved, but at what cost! Second. Try to work on the machine during pitching, I'm not even going to explain the consequences. Third. Additional full-time workers, repairmen, storage facilities for materials, etc. will be required. Far from the most stupid people, admirals, order special ships, mother ships, floating workshops for such tasks.
    Well, the last - about the gradual predominance of dilettantism. Not so long ago, about 30 years ago, almost everyone knew that there were milling machines, lathes, 3-axis CNC machines, casting machines and machines, concrete pumps. And now we have exclusively 3D printers, and no one really knows what it is. It can be a milling machine, a turret, a casting machine, etc. by the list.
    1. +1
      20 November 2022 09: 37
      Quote: Sergey Valov
      Far from the most stupid people, admirals, order special ships, mother ships, floating workshops for such tasks.

      https://topwar.ru/170002-kak-3d-pechat-reshila-problemy-vms-indii-s-zamenoj-oborudovanija.html
      So with amateurs and die-offs - you got excited
    2. +2
      20 November 2022 16: 37
      at the factory, the most expensive and difficult thing is the floor

      Wow! And I thought that the machines.
      3D printers, and no one really knows what it is. It can be a milling machine, a turret, a casting machine, etc. by the list.

      That's how! And I thought that 3D printing is ADDITIVE technologies (from the word "add"). This is about:
      about the gradual predominance of dilettantism.
    3. 0
      23 November 2022 10: 19
      Well, I repeat 100500 times, printers are different, some models forgive smooth pitching, the main thing is that there are no sharp jerks.

      Regarding machine tools, I don’t understand the indignation, there are CNC milling, spinning, machine tools, multi-purpose and even production complexes in the form of one machine! And there are 3D printers, also CNC machines, but they are the same separate category. And conventional milling, turning and other machines have not gone away, because there are parts that are easier to process on them, and not to load a CNC machine under them, which can make more complex parts with greater accuracy.
  8. +1
    20 November 2022 09: 47
    What progress has come to, to unprecedented miracles, robots work hard, not a person (feature film "Adventures of Electronics").
    As it used to be - a science fiction writer came up with it, filmed it, scientists put it into practice, and put it into mass production.
    Hyperboloid engineer Garin - a book, a film, experimental installations in the 60s ... a laser in an LED case ... "Peresvet" on combat duty ...
    And now filmmakers are ahead of the rest - in the film "The 5th Element" Bruce Willis puts a semi-finished product into the microwave and ... gets fried chicken.
    So, in the near future, I put a cube in a box and ... at the exit I got a pistol with a machine gun, moreover, with full ammunition and additional magazines.
  9. +5
    20 November 2022 09: 48
    Much depends on the material of the parts, their shape and the required quantity. For mass production of plastic parts and fusible metals, casting will be much faster and cheaper. It's like with a conventional printer - it is cost-effective and even indispensable for fast printing for domestic purposes and office work, but no one will print a newspaper or a book on a printer in tens and hundreds of thousands of copies. An exception may be parts of a complex spatial configuration, which are simply impossible to manufacture in the traditional way. On the other hand, the strength and other characteristics of materials for use in 3D printers may not be sufficient for use in parts that require their high parameters.
    1. 0
      20 November 2022 12: 51
      An ordinary printer is still 2D, with 3D everything is much sadder.
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          20 November 2022 20: 01
          4D and 5D are called CNC where tilt and rotate are implemented. Strongly figurative of course, but in itself increases the efficiency of the machine.
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            21 November 2022 05: 26
            CNC is clear. Seen and touched. :) But I have not seen such printing even in the pictures.
            1. +1
              21 November 2022 12: 08
              Well, it's a very specific setup.
              https://stereotech.pulscenclub.ru/
          3. -1
            3 December 2022 21: 04
            Quote: Wedmak
            4D and 5D are called CNC where tilt and rotate are implemented.

            Are you talking about the globe table, or about the UDG? The rotation of the workpiece can do both, but the "globe" eats away the height of the table, so it is not installed on all machines. But he has a lot of unforeseen possibilities - up to the winding of a freeze-drying heat exchanger.
  11. +1
    20 November 2022 10: 36
    Weapons on a 3D printer
    And this is not the future, but the present ...
  12. +7
    20 November 2022 11: 00
    It's all nonsense. On 3D printers that print with plastic, you can’t print any weapons, except for disposable crafts that are unsafe for the shooter, and wog tails, which in themselves in this context are rather psychological weapons. Even if not, it will be hundreds of times cheaper to stamp these shanks. Metal printers are very expensive to operate and what they print is also very expensive. At the same time, in 99.9% of cases, the same parts can be made using the usual cheap technologies - casting and stamping. Moreover, no one canceled machine post-processing for printed parts. The use of 3D printers for the production of real weapons is economically justified only in aviation and astronautics, where mass savings cover any production costs. In general, the value of this technology is now greatly overestimated.
    1. +6
      20 November 2022 11: 31
      Metal printers are very expensive to run and what they print is also very expensive. At the same time, in 99.9% of cases, the same parts can be made using the usual cheap technologies - casting and stamping.

      Finally, a sensible comment. When the general fuss with the introduction of 3D printers began, I carefully studied the characteristics and price tags of printers, incl. capable of working with metal and high-strength heat-resistant plastics. And I must say that the price tag for such printers is beyond reasonable. So if we add depreciation costs, then the cost of printing will exceed the cost of cutting technologies, and even more so stamping. And do not forget that both in terms of accuracy and durability, 3D is much inferior. So we managed in our production with a simple printer for ABS plastic for layouts and crafts (installed it in the design department), and we still do all the serious details on CNC machining centers.
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      +1
      20 November 2022 21: 15
      hi However, a 3D printer makes it much easier to make tooling for more "traditional" technologies, such as EDM prototypes...
      1. +1
        20 November 2022 22: 19
        Prototypes, complex molds, urgent small series and much more. Of course, 3D printers are not useless, but they are just helpers for familiar technologies. You can't take a 3D printer and replace an entire factory with it.
    3. 0
      20 November 2022 23: 04
      Quote: puzoter
      It's all nonsense. On 3D printers that print with plastic, you can’t print any weapons, except for disposable crafts that are unsafe for the shooter, and wog tails, which in themselves in this context are rather psychological weapons. Even if not, it will be hundreds of times cheaper to stamp these shanks. Metal printers are very expensive to operate and what they print is also very expensive. At the same time, in 99.9% of cases, the same parts can be made using the usual cheap technologies - casting and stamping. Moreover, no one canceled machine post-processing for printed parts. The use of 3D printers for the production of real weapons is economically justified only in aviation and astronautics, where mass savings cover any production costs. In general, the value of this technology is now greatly overestimated.

      In general, you are right. As I wrote above, shells, bullets, etc. it’s not effective to do for a firearm, but as the author of the material himself pointed out, a 3D printer can quite justify itself in the production of UAVs or engines for them, for example. Especially if it is a DVG or a turbojet engine for a KR or a kamikaze UAV. After all, they have already printed a 3D turbofan with a resource of 10 hours. Let's say for the KR-Caliber this is quite enough. And it also turns out to be orders of magnitude cheaper than doing it the old way. Of course, I'm not saying that it is possible to make a full-fledged turbofan engine with 500 hours of operation on it. And indeed, when you need to do something in millions of batches, 3D DOES NOT WORK, but for small-scale production of very complex UNLOADED parts, 3D is the best.
  13. +2
    20 November 2022 12: 47
    Printed plastic parts are hundreds or thousands of times more expensive than those made by thermoforming on conventional equipment.
    The quality of the surface when extruded into the mold is higher, the polymers themselves are better. You can make molds on CNC machines.
    1. +3
      20 November 2022 13: 08
      1-2 small plastic parts will probably still cost less on a printer than making an injection mold, not to mention the absence of the need to have metalworking equipment and an injection molding machine. As already correctly noted above - cheap 3D printers that print with cheap plastic are quite suitable for creating layouts in KB. 3D printing has its own niche, and with the improvement of the materials they use, including metals, it is expanding, but of course they will not replace casting and stamping.
      1. +2
        20 November 2022 13: 46
        1-2 small plastic parts will probably still cost less on a printer than making an injection mold, not to mention the absence of the need to have metalworking equipment and an injection molding machine.
        They won't cost. Ammunition must be mass-produced. No 3D printer can be compared in terms of production speed and, accordingly, the cost price with an injection molding machine.
        Niche for 3D printers - repair parts are mostly made of plastic. Here, yes, a large warehouse of small parts is not required. The 3D printer will definitely win.
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          20 November 2022 14: 25
          uh? You apparently did not understand. 1-2 parts - this is in pieces, and not according to the nomenclature. And ammunition is not only for the price, it’s just that the printer cannot print comparable in quality. I don't understand what is your objection? Moreover, it would be advisable to keep an industrial printer for spare parts only on a lunar base, and a cheap one is only suitable for making decorative elements ...
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            20 November 2022 18: 23
            We are talking about the same thing - a 3D printer is the production of single plastic products for experimental samples or for repairs, when it takes a long time to carry small parts.
            Separately, there are 3D metal printers on which you can print products that cannot be manufactured using traditional metalworking technologies.
    2. -1
      3 December 2022 21: 08
      Quote from dunkan
      Printed plastic parts are hundreds or thousands of times more expensive than thermoformed ones.

      The question is very controversial. Experiment - send the STL file of the printed part to the mold making company and ask them to send you an estimated price list for the mold to be cast. The price will surprise you a lot. Also, forms often need drives to pull "signs", and other automations.
  14. +2
    20 November 2022 13: 22
    Well, if these technologies get to Afghanistan or Gaza, then yes, it may well be that they collect an overdose of the most dangerous deshmani. In the meantime, large states are too "proud birds" to stoop to such a primitive .. maybe this is in vain.
  15. +4
    20 November 2022 13: 29
    The article is a clear search and reassessment.
    3D printing, firstly, is very slow - it will not work to print rockets like pies, and secondly, it is expensive. For some reason, no one considers the cost of electricity.
    If you make primitive weapons on a 3D printer, then this is stupid. Any Palestinian militant in the basement and pipes and rags will make a simple rocket much faster than a geek on a 3D printer. 3D printing is justified for expensive, complex and high-tech weapons (3D printing is also high-tech).
    And if at a military plant that bakes rockets like pies, all the equipment is replaced with 3D printers, then it will simply stop working.
    As for firearms, there is a big question about the strength of parts, especially barrels. No, well, if you need something one-time, for terrorists, it will do ... But for a serious weapon designed for long-term shooting, it’s unlikely
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    20 November 2022 14: 26
    The author is already lagging behind modern progress! For him, 3D printers are the latest "fashion"! And the last "squeak" is 5D printers ... that is, advanced 3D printers with support for 5Dtech technology (!) ... that is, 5-axis printers (as opposed to 3-axis "regular" 3D printers) for manufacturing especially complex functional products ...
  17. +1
    20 November 2022 14: 28
    On 3D printers, the production of small-scale parts of complex configuration is economically justified. The article is about mass production. It will be much cheaper and faster to make a mold and simply cast a product. What, by the way, is the error of modern printers, experts? As far as I know, modern multi-axis milling cutters give micron errors. It is unlikely that the printer can provide such accuracy. Well, the structure of the product itself. Printing amorphous plastic is one thing, but reproducing the crystal lattice of a forged blank is another. I'm not talking about any excesses such as surface hardening (cementing) and anodizing / bluing. So the article is NOTHING. IMHO, of course.
  18. 0
    20 November 2022 15: 16
    Now let's look at the photos. On them, a model of the V-2 rocket

    not like the V-2.
  19. 0
    20 November 2022 18: 03
    This is what F2 Gigantry looks like

    Looks badass.

    A workspace with such volumes will not warm up evenly.
    You need at least a thermal camera and a second (completely independent) printer, although connected to the first one to avoid collisions.
  20. 0
    20 November 2022 19: 49
    and if it’s not a worker who monitors production, but a robot, then work around the clock, seven days a week ..... one robot replaces 6 workers .... he doesn’t need to dine, he doesn’t get tired and doesn’t go on vacation and maternity leave and doesn’t sit on sick leave ... the average price of a robot is 60.000 bucks
  21. 0
    21 November 2022 03: 52
    3D printers have many disadvantages. This is a fairly specialized piece of equipment. It can grow some kind of particularly complex products faster and better than traditional production methods, but in mass production, printers are inferior in manufacturing speed, and at times.
    It is easier to grow a mold for a product, like a matrix / punch on a 3D printer, and then stamp the product on injection molding machines.
    And even then, if you need a quality product, it is easier to mill-turn the shape ...
  22. 0
    22 November 2022 17: 28
    the author imagined a lot ...
    On the front, 3D printers won't work at all. If, only print very small details on the rear repair bases.
    And, in general, there is no need to engage in handicraft at the front. It is better to supply the soldier with more expensive, but good weapons. Logistics needs uninterrupted and well-oiled repairs, not glamorous geeky fantasies.
    3D models are more suitable for rapid prototyping of new products, perhaps for making master models for casting. And there will be nothing faster and cheaper than casting and forging stamping.
    If we are already engaged in crafts, then stabilizers are made from plastic scraps, and cases from water pipes. The cone can be wound with fiberglass on epoxy on a wooden blank. And it will be much faster, cheaper and more angry than waiting for a few days when the printer prints all this, and then it will also need to be brought to mind with a rasp and sandpaper!
  23. 0
    8 January 2023 18: 22
    Good article. There are also many pitfalls in 3D, but on the whole I agree with the author. For all this to work, specialized centers must be created in Russia, which, on behalf of the state, connect and motivate scientific teams with the clumsy Russian business.
  24. +1
    25 January 2023 04: 51
    In general, the manufacture of the grenade launcher required 70 hours for the actual printing and five hours for anodizing and fine machining. In general, this does not mean anything - it is a lot or a little. But they say prices that can be compared.
    So, the cost of a printed grenade launcher turned out to be a little more than a hundred dollars, and the lion's share of the cost fell on metal powders for layer-by-layer sintering. But the M203 A1 grenade launcher, made using standard technology, costs 1,1 thousand dollars


    Have you taken into account the depreciation of equipment? 70 hours of expensive equipment cost a little over a hundred dollars?? It is fantastic. What about labor costs? $100 is close to the cost of an hour of a specialist's work in the US. And you will say that all 70 hours did not require the presence of a specialist? Nobody shifted the part, did not restart the equipment according to another program? Famously in general - they calculated the raw material component of the cost and called it cost.
  25. 0
    25 January 2023 22: 12
    about the cost of grenade launchers)))) so-so .... look how much a 3D printer costs for baking metal powder ... $ 100 does not smell there

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