In Germany, they decided to divide the burial places of Soviet soldiers into Russians and Ukrainians

A real theater of the absurd, implicated in desecration of the memory of the dead Soviet soldiers, was decided to be staged in Germany. There, the War Graves Commission (VDK) is going to begin dividing the remains of Soviet soldiers and officers buried at the Hamburg memorial cemetery into Russians and Ukrainians.

It is planned to carry out, as the authors of this plan themselves note, the separation of the remains of about one and a half thousand Soviet soldiers.

At the same time, the commission itself states that the process will be difficult, since, based on the documents of the Nazis, it is impossible to obtain accurate data as to whether the deceased was Ukrainian or Russian. The documents usually indicated the ethnicity "Russian" or "Soviet" for all Soviet soldiers, among whom there were also representatives of dozens of other nationalities: Belarusians, Kazakhs, Armenians, Georgians, Turkmens, Chechens, Mari, Latvians, etc. In this regard, there are proposals to be based on the place of birth of the deceased, if it is known. It is also proposed to study the surname and draw conclusions on this basis.

The managing director of the mentioned structure cynically called such a process "differentiation process".

In Germany itself, this initiative caused, to put it mildly, not quite an unambiguous reaction. It is noted that this is populism and cheap hype on a political moment. Some Germans have said that the discussion will eventually turn to a request from the VDK for additional funding for their activities.

A few comments from ordinary Germans:

And if in Russia they also begin to dig into the graves of German soldiers and divide them into Saxons and, for example, Bavarians? How will we perceive it?

We become worse than cave savages

Then the VDK needs to go to the end and once again "differentiate" the Jews. Holocaust 2.0

Comments

[kapitan92]

After such news from Germany, the famous one turns on the tongue. Lavrov's phrase ........

[Alexga]

It seems that one of those that Lavrov spoke about blurted out, and the media inflated it. The Germans were all right in this regard. They know that in which case the burial places of their military will be leveled with a bulldozer. The Poles showed off, so in the Grodno region the graves of eight AK members were leveled with a bulldozer.

[neworange88]

And how to distinguish how they will be? By surnames? So in Russia everyone who has Ukrainian surnames considers himself Russian, and in Ukraine everyone who has Russian surnames considers himself Ukrainians. Here is a vivid example of this.

On Tuesday evening, the new composition of the Russian government was approved, which was updated by about 60%. “There are a lot of appointees with Ukrainian surnames,” Aleksey Venediktov, editor-in-chief of the liberal radio station Ekho Moskvy, immediately commented on the composition of the Cabinet of Ministers of Mikhail Mishustin.

“Vice Prime Ministers Grigorenko, Abramchenko, Chernyshenko, Overchuk, Minister of Justice Chuichenko. That is, the government is almost half Ukrainian. What does it mean? We like the Ukrainian experience? Hardly. Russia is going to unite with Ukraine? Well, definitely not now. It's just that in Russia no one looks at nationality when appointing to a position, because Russia is a civilized modern country. I am sure that it never occurred to Putin to count how many nationalities there are in the government. In addition, Ukrainians are also considered by everyone to be Russians. And the Ukrainians themselves consider themselves Russians too. This is what matters,” explains Russian political scientist Sergei Markov.

https://maxpark.com/community/8211/content/7001949

[usr01]

Quote from: neworange88

And how to distinguish how they will be?

And let them try to separate the DNA according to the genetic code! (Here comes the opening!)
"Russia can be defeated only when the Russians and Ukrainians believe that they are two different peoples" (c) Bismarck.

[Zoldat_A]

Quote: usr01

And let them try to separate the DNA according to the genetic code! (Here comes the opening!)

I once watched the haplogroups of nationalities - Dr. Goebbels would have gone crazy and poisoned himself back in the 30s if he knew what kind of "relatives" they had most of those whom they called "Volksdeutschs" and what kind of relationship they were with Eastern "Untermensch" ...

Genetics is such a thing. You can't wash genes with soap.

[paul3390]

And let them try to separate the DNA according to the genetic code!

Duc - most of the Eastern Deutsches are Germanized Bodrichs with Lyutichs ..

[Alexander Salenko]

So it even looms interestingly with surnames, for example, in the Napoleonic era there was such a Prussian general von Bülow, von Lettow-Vorbeck fought in WWI, and Bach-Zelewski in WWII.

[DymOk_v_dYmke]

Quote: usr01

And let them try to separate the DNA according to the genetic code! (Here comes the opening!)

This is where the dough can not be broken.
It seems that this is the main motive.

However, the flawed do not understand that bending before the 404th embitters not only Russia, but all the former Soviet republics. I wonder if at least one of the now independent countries, the former republics of the USSR, will express its indignation?

[Lyuba1965_01]

And do not expect.
They don't need all this.
Moreover, now the former republics have their own problems.
Why do they need to stir up the events of that time?
In addition, most of them abandoned the USSR, and those times are considered "occupation".
Here Belarus can be indignant.
But who will pay attention to her?
This is not Ukraine, not Georgia, with which everyone rushes there.
The fact that everything has been put on Russia for a long time is understandable.
So it may well run.

[Alexander Salenko]

Dear, you are not quite right. Everyone died in that war, and, for example, in Crimea it is customary to believe, and not without reason, that the Crimean Tatars embarked on the path of cooperation with the occupiers. But in the Sevastopol region there is such a village, Rodnikovoe, and you will see a lot of Tatar surnames there on the tombstone of a mass grave. The same Kazakhs, we often hear news about their nationalistic utyrki, but took part in making a film about the Panfilovites. They need to be proud of some ancestors, and this is nothing to be proud of, especially since the eastern peoples retain a lot of things, I would say, medieval, even tribal.
There are jumps in connection with this, for example, in the same Sevastopol there is a memorial that was dedicated to the 77th rifle division, it was tacitly called Azerbaijani, and now there is a sign: a monument to Azerbaijani soldiers. True, it was formed there and a little over 350 people served the Azerbaijani nationality there, but in particular, the hero of the USSR Zagorulko served there, and he died there after the liberation of Sevastopol and does not pull on an Azerbaijani soldier.
I consider such signs to be wrong, those people who shed blood then, both their own and someone else's, simply would not understand this, and from such steps the chatter begins that if the Ukrainian front, then you understand.
I do not know the further path of the 77th Infantry Division, but let's say it ended up in Germany. It definitely didn’t turn out because it was the 51st Army, which got stuck during the blocking of the Courland grouping, but let’s say there are other units. And any medal has two sides, i.e. you can also hit in the opposite direction, wondering why the hell are you disturbing the ashes of our ancestors? And here, in addition to the national question, one can also include a religious one, it doesn’t matter if this or that Uzbek professed Islam, an Uzbek means a Muslim, but you can’t approach his ashes.

[Lyuba1965_01]

You talk like an idealist.
Almost all who fought in that war died.
Their children are now 70+.
Who will go to say something, intercede and explain,
They are no longer at the age to achieve anything.
And the grandchildren in most of the republics were already inspired that the SSR was an occupier and forcibly forced to fight.
Look: in many former republics, Victory Day has been preserved at the official level?
Or is it just for show?
This is what we must proceed from.

[Alexander Salenko]

Well, they didn’t inspire me, so I’m not arguing as an idealist, but based on my experience. When my future was planned, being young it would have been easier for me to bend the pro-Ukrainian theme, it promised prospects and I know those who achieved these prospects. But I know others who have not forgotten any of this. And these are the vast majority.
Well, I have a specific region, do you think if you cut down one barrel organ and turn on another, nothing will change?
There is such a notorious Tatyana Montyan, she once trolled Zelensky by walking around Donetsk in the Immortal Regiment with a portrait of his grandfather. Do you seriously think that no one asked the question, what about my grandfathers? Just a one-time action, it will not give a long-lasting effect.
There would be a desire to work, for example, Kazakh Nazi ki, who are filming videos of what kind of defenders they are, their names are known. Take and dig out who their grandfathers were and what they did during the war and just print a shaft of leaflets and start hanging them on bulletin boards with the text which great-grandfather and which great-grandson. Can you imagine if I drowned for Bandera and at my entrance I would see my great-grandfather in the uniform of the tsarist army? It is clear that I would have torn it off, but a lot of people would have looked.
If I am an idealist, then the Goblin is an idealist, which is Dmitry Puchkov, he also argues about the same: who were your ancestors? Suddenly it turns out that before the entry of Russian troops into Bukhara as slaves, and who freed them?
Asia is far from me, but I do not see work with the same Ukrainians, except that Prilepin is doing something. For the same Ukraine, they press on imperialism. but you can put the question on a different plane, why is imperialism bad? And where is the confidence that the independent one will not fall apart, little Moldova has collapsed into two unequal parts, and who cares about the opinion of the Moldovans? In the empire they would have been heard. because this is not a national minority, but a community in this very empire, and using the example of the same Austria-Hungary, could a Czech get through there? Could, and now who cares what they say? So in Russia there was, for example, Chancellor Bezborodko, the common-law husband of Elizabeth Razumovsky, he played a significant role in the empire. Sailor Koshka could have become a sailor in principle, if not for Russia? Yes, who would have known about him, an ordinary selyuk, Shevchenko was bought out of serfdom by the Russians and he would not have taken place outside the empire. So there is something to put pressure on, if there is a desire.

[Lyuba1965_01]

Now people in all post-Soviet republics are crushed by a mass of various problems, and not only financial ones.
So they definitely do not have time for some kind of digging in the past.

[Alexander Salenko]

Only the solution of these problems is seen in Russia. I saw the construction of the Sevastopol Opera House, not a single Russian physiognomy.

[Terenin]

Quote: usr01

"Russia can be defeated only when the Russians and Ukrainians believe that they are two different peoples" (c) Bismarck.

As for the victory, Bismarck was wrong.

[Alexander Salenko]

So because, in fact, one people, yes, you can’t say that there is no Ukrainian people, there is a language and a culture that is not so outstanding, but it is part of the great Russian culture.
In a large family there are old people and children, women and men - but this is a single whole ja and the last name is funny, here Sudoplatov is a Russian surname, how could he ingratiate himself with Konovalets without knowing Ukrainian? And here it was important not only knowledge of the language, but also some details in everyday life, so as not to let it slip like in the comedy "Gentlemen of Fortune", when Leonov's hero says: we had an incident at the front. Kramorov immediately neighed.
Who is Sudoplatov, Russian or Ukrainian? Yes, he is ours, period.

[Jafar]

And how to distinguish how they will be?

By the way, I have another question. And there, most likely, not only Russians and Ukrainians?

[neworange88]

Quote from Jafar

And how to distinguish how they will be?

By the way, I have another question. And there, most likely, not only Russians and Ukrainians?

The Ukrainians will most likely write down who fought on the Ukrainian fronts. There is the First Ukrainian Front, the Second Ukrainian Front. I don’t think that they will dig deep there, in the sense of understanding. .

[former soldier]

By the way, I have another question. And there, most likely, not only Russians and Ukrainians?

Skulls will apparently be measured, according to the precepts of the Nazis. They had a special compass for that. An abomination in general. The Lord upstairs has already sorted everyone out, but these won't go away.

[Piramidon]

Quote: AlexGa

They know that in which case the burial places of their military will be leveled with a bulldozer

Doubtful. The maximum is to express concern.

[Boycott]

They know that in which case the burial places of their military will be leveled with a bulldozer

In Russia, no one will compare the grave with the ground. To such an extent, only Europeans and their sycophants from extinctions have gone wild.

[Alexander Salenko]

This can definitely be arranged, we had a hospital cemetery in Simferopol, the bumps were visible, and so the people who did not understand, trampled on top. The Germans made great efforts to exhume and bury at the official memorial near Sevastopol. Their zhmurs were brought there from Perekop and from Kerch and from Feodosia.
I have no respect for these fallen and cannot be, but you threw an idea. You can threaten it.

[tralflot1832]

The Soviet army didn’t take Hamburg .. The Germans are completely fucked up, do they bother the graves of our soldiers, the victims of German concentration camps? Send Stotz two books: Where does the threat to the world come from. Edition of the USA and the USSR. flew in, 2 victims. Tomorrow will be fun.

[neworange88]

Has the directive come from Washington? So they are doing it.

So, there are 10 most common Ukrainian surnames and all their carriers are represented in VK. we will just see how many people with such surnames live in Ukraine and how many in Russia. but I will do the following, I will correlate these 10 surnames with the entire Ukrainian, well, as if there are no others and simply impose a percentage on their number already in Russia. so

those. if we take all the millers in Russia and Ukraine, it turns out that 74% of the millers live in Ukraine and 26% in Russia

here is another picture in Russia lives more than Shevchenko 54%, and in Ukraine 46%. But this does not mean that in Russia this is the most common surname, if measured by the total population, then for Ukraine every 294th has the surname Shevchenko, and for Russia every 978th.

Kovalenko
People 63445 Russia
People 82400 Ukraine
here, respectively, 43% and 57%

Bondarenko
People 82400 Russia
People 75539 Ukraine
52% in Russia and 48% Bondarenok in Ukraine

Tkachenko
People 70682 Ukraine
People 65523 Russia
Ukrainian-52% Russian 48%

Kovalchuk
People 35170 Russia
People 67366 Ukraine
34% - Russian Federation 66% - Ukrainian

the overall result is that 58% of Ukrainian surnames are in Ukraine and 42% in Russia of the total number of Ukrainian surnames for these two countries.

https://bryan88.livejournal.com/132195.html

[4ekist]

tralflot1832 The Soviet army did not take Hamburg.

Really didn't take it. For reference, where did the Nazi executioners work:

Neuengamme) - the largest concentration camp in northwestern Germany, the same name with the district of Hamburg, on whose territory it was located. Neuengamme was a network of Nazi concentration camps in northern Germany, which consisted of the main Neuengamme camp and more than 85 satellite camps.

The conclusion is obvious.

[orionvitt]

In German concentration camps, the victims were not usually buried separately. Mortality was such that everyone was in a common mass grave. How they'll get there, I don't know. Maybe they’ll just change the signs, so it’s already generally beyond the scope.

[tralflot1832]

The allies bombed Hamburg mercilessly. Most likely, these were our prisoners of war who were restoring the infrastructure of Hamburg, who died under the bombing. In one of the raids, a fiery tornado arose, the victims were comparable to Hiroshima and Nagosaki and Stalingrad. burn, only the granite from which it was made survived, but melted .. Rescuers entered the city only a week later, from unbearable heat. They buried what was left in mass graves. knowing German punctuality. I have never been to Stalingrad (Volgograd). But for that I visited Hamburg more than once. , the bastards felt how hard it was for Russians to die in Stalingrad, burning alive. p / s In our family, Volgograd was always called Stalingrad, father and grandfather did not call Stalingrad differently.

[Alexander Salenko]

So the whole world knows Stalingrad, I don’t know if you are aware of this story, but the name of the city was given for a reason and it was not some kind of sycophancy there. The previous name was Tsaritsyn, as you know, the name is from the river queen, this is a distorted Turkic Saru-Su, yellow water, our person does not understand what kind of Sary-Su, but he heard the queen, well, these chumps were not pronouncing correctly.
The city received the name Stalingrad in 1925, well, Tsaritsyn did not fit in any way and the name was chosen by the townspeople in a referendum and Stalin was not then a leader, a prominent figure, but not the most key corny with his energy and common sense, he saved the townspeople from starvation, and they remembered all this very well, and the decision to rename was most likely discussed during Lenin's lifetime. In any case, Stalin himself could not influence this decision, it was the choice of the inhabitants.

[Alexga]

Judging by the photo from the Polish media, this is an S-300, Russian and Belarusian could not fly there, far. Let's see. True, there is a danger of NATO invading Ukraine, Article 5.

[Zoldat_A]

Quote: tralflot1832

By the way, someone's rackets flew to Poland, 2 victims. Tomorrow will be fun.

To Poland? Russian missiles?

And who is this? The one with the lantern. Removes "Russian barbarism"?

By the way, on the vast majority of resources, especially Polish ones, the sleeve with the flag is cut off.

I believe that the "warriors of the light" or the Poles themselves in Ukraine in Polish uniforms. And that the Polish military in Ukrainian uniforms in Poland is somehow ...

How, after all, Poland wants to draw NATO into a direct clash with NATO!
They can't eat already!
Already ready to arrange "Gleiwitz 2.0".
The Second World War taught them something wrong ...

[tralflot1832]

The United States, like the devil from incense, denies Article 5. They want full trials.

[Zoldat_A]

Quote: tralflot1832

The United States, like the devil from incense, denies Article 5. They want full trials.

So they are also naive for girls - they knew what they were composing.

... has the right to provide such assistance as it deems necessary and possible, including military ...

What is this about? Is it about the fact that now America, pulling up his pants, will run to bomb Russia, protecting the Poles?

I did not read this notorious "fifth article" in the languages ​​​​of the Young Donators. Read in English and Russian. Are there no English translators in Eastern Europe? Let Russian be taught in order to understand the meaning.

And the Americans will send a couple of rolls of toilet paper to the Poles. The American contingent - to Alabama, toilet paper, so as not to fly empty - to Poland.

[tralflot1832]

So there is a photo of the wreckage of C 300. The media are trying. Tomorrow there will be a statement from the State Department: A tragic accident has occurred. accident.

[Terenin]

Quote: Zoldat_A

By the way, on the vast majority of resources, especially Polish ones, the sleeve with the flag is cut off.

The cissists here are minus the terrible ...

[Zoldat_A]

Quote: Terenin

Quote: Zoldat_A

By the way, on the vast majority of resources, especially Polish ones, the sleeve with the flag is cut off.

The cissists here are minus the terrible ...

Yes, I'm used to it. As soon as the word "Ukraine" is in the comment, the minus is mandatory. Though about the weather comment - nevermind.
I, of course, spit on them with saliva, but I wonder - do they come here to work or go instead of work?

[Terenin]

Quote: Zoldat_A

Do they come here to work or instead of work go?

To work, of course.
Vaughn, the third time they knock me down in a turnip and rejoice

[Terenin]

Quote: tralflot1832

The Germans are completely fucked up, do they disturb the graves of our soldiers, the victims of German concentration camps?

Satanists will do just that.

[Alexander Salenko]

Therefore, Hamburg has an archive with interrogations of who and where, just a military burial, where it is much harder to determine. Although even with Hamburg, well, for example, my surname is Ukrainian, everything is clear, but my teacher was with the surname Zadavysvichka, so what nationality is he? And teacher Herzen, is he Jewish or German or Russian? So the simplest thing is where you live.
It’s monstrously different here, it’s only possible to express obscene language, to whom such an idea and how did it even fly into your head? The French, having taken Malakhov Kurgan in Sevastopol, buried the dead French and Russians in the same grave, thus paying tribute to honor, death reconciled them. So they were opponents.
It's just that with such initiatives, Europe is all.

[neworange88]

Quote: kapitan92

After such news from Germany, the famous one turns on the tongue. Lavrov's phrase ........

And after such news?

Missiles fell on the territory of Poland - Polish media

Polish Prime Minister Morawiecki convened an emergency meeting of the Committee of the Council of Ministers on National Security and Defense. Two Russian rockets fell in the Lublin Voivodeship on the border with Ukraine.
“2 people were killed in an explosion on Tuesday at 15:35 in Przevodov. According to residents, the cause of the explosion was a rocket that arrived from Ukraine. She fell at a grain collection point next to a tractor trailer and left behind a large funnel,” writes “lublin112.pl”.

https://t.me/RVvoenkor/31928

Polish Prime Minister Mateusz Morawiecki called an emergency meeting of the government's security and defense committee. In a village in eastern Poland, two rockets hit grain dryers, Polish Radio Zet reported, citing unofficial sources.

https://m.vz.ru/news/2022/11/15/1186886.html

[Ulan.1812]

After such news, I want to hit Germany with Sarmat or Yars.

[Murmur 55]

Yes, along the way there is a competition for the most mentally incomplete act against Russia, and along the way, the Deutsches want to get around the Tribalts and Poles. The insanity grew stronger.

[Old Doctor]

Insanity does not grow stronger, it has long been strong as armored steel. It just showed up very clearly.

[Blacksmith 55]

Don't take this message so seriously.
Some politician blurted out, they have nothing to do, they can only grind with their tongues. Well, just to remind you.

[rocket757]

A real theater of the absurd, implicated in desecration of the memory of the dead Soviet soldiers, was decided to be staged in Germany. There, the War Graves Commission (VDK) is going to begin dividing the remains of Soviet soldiers and officers buried at the Hamburg memorial cemetery into Russians and Ukrainians.

. I can’t express it in words / write about it, pi pi pi ....... PI !!!

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

it remains only to quote Lavrov

[Arkady007]

Not from a great mind for sure.
Apparently at school, the exam was handed over. Otherwise, they would have known that at that time the nationality was written by anyone as they wanted, from the personal desire of each.

[Zoldat_A]

Quote: Arkady007

Otherwise, they would have known that at that time the nationality was written by anyone as they wanted, from the personal desire of each.

One Uzbek worked for me.
Upon further acquaintance, it turned out that he himself was from Andijan, his mother was a Kyrgyz from Andijan, his father was a Kyrgyz from Andijan, and his brothers and sisters were Kyrgyz from Andijan.
When he received his passport (I don’t know - at the end of the USSR or at the beginning of independent Uzbekistan), he was forcibly recorded as an Uzbek.

Here is such a cunning nationality ...

[Alexander Salenko]

Well, Brezhnev was recorded as a Ukrainian, I wonder if he knew the Ukrainian language? Just born in Dnepropetrovsk.

[Murmur 55]

It's a pity I can't send these lines to all those Deutsches.

Our dead will not leave us in trouble, our fallen as sentries.

Play female dogs, while there is such an opportunity, play.

[Ru_Na]

Hmm, insanity is getting stronger! I wonder who such a narrow-minded person decided to hype on this topic, and even grease Ukraine?! Well, this is complete madness. well, leave the dead alone, at first the Balts and Poles did not give rest to the burial places with our soldiers, now the Germans are jammed!

[Pete mitchell]

Quote: Ru_Na

who is so narrow-minded decided to hype on this topic

It seems to me that they decided to stupidly "hype" the dough from the budget. Well, at the same time

Quote: Ru_Na

and grease Ukraine

I think the definition near out of place here

Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir

it remains only to quote Lavrov

[Tanarri]

And is it possible that insanity is a little in other heads? For example, in those who are being thrown into such stuffing? There, of course, there is also enough insanity, but the first thing is not to pick it up yourself.

[Zoldat_A]

Quote: Ru_Na

I wonder who such a narrow-minded person decided to hype on this topic, and even grease Ukraine?! Well, this is complete savagery, well, leave the dead alone

And they won’t sift the ashes of concentration camps and divide them by nationality?

[Old Doctor]

But what about the Belarusians, Georgians, Armenians, Mari, Udmurts, Kazakhs and soldiers of the Red Army of other nationalities? All of them en masse to attribute to the Russian, if not the Ukrainians? And on the graves of Ukrainians to put a trident instead of a star? And if the dead Ukrainians, in addition to being fighters of the Red Army, were also members of the CPSU (b) or Komsomol? It is necessary to exclude them from these organizations. Obviously, Russophobia deprives the representatives of the biological genus Man of the proud name of the species Reasonable! I propose a new taxonomic unit - Homo rusophobicus antisapiens.

[Fangaro]

Quite already stoned!
Even if the graves of Wehrmacht soldiers and Red Army soldiers were nearby at the cemetery, why should they be reburied???
Each of those now lying in the earth was born, lived, fought, killed, was killed, not because he was so bad or good, but because he was a person.
This is about soldiers, officers, even generals. Each marshal has a personal graveyard. The rest, who died in the war, only have a place.

[Ulan.1812]

So let them completely separate Georgians and Kazakhs and Jews and Armenians and Tatars and all ninety nationalities.

[Graz]

Nazis they are Nazis, in vain they took pity on them at 45

[Alien From]

It is impossible to think of more nonsense! Just stupidity in the flesh

[Tanarri]

Can you link to the source? I didn't see anything similar on their resources.

[Germanboy]

Читайте https://www.radiohamburg.de/aktuelles/hamburg/In-Hamburg-soll-zuk%C3%BCnftig-st%C3%A4rker-zwischen-russischen-und-ukrainischen-Gr%C3%A4bern-unterschieden-werden-id777350.html

[Tanarri]

Thank you! I do not speak German, the translator issued:

"In the future, Hamburg will more clearly distinguish between Russian and Ukrainian graves

In Hamburg there are graves of about 1400 dead Soviet soldiers. The German War Graves Commission (Volksbund Deutsche Kriegsgräberfürsorge) refuses to allow Russian nationalists to collect victims. But which of the dead was Russian, and who was Ukrainian?
In the future, the German War Graves Commission (Volksbund Deutsche Kriegsgräberfürsorge) wants to make a clearer distinction between Russian and Ukrainian dead while caring for Soviet war graves in Hamburg. “We are starting to differentiate,” said Christian Lübcke, managing director of the regional association. However, this was difficult because nationality was usually listed as "Russian" or "Soviet" only in German documents, as well as those of the Western Allies. Then it could be about Kazakhs, Balts or Belarusians. Information such as place of birth in Kyiv may indicate Ukrainian ancestry.
1400 Soviet soldiers are buried in Hamburg.

Lubke puts the number of Soviet dead buried in Hamburg at 1400. According to Lubke, even before Russia's February 24 attack, it was difficult for Ukrainians and Russians to commemorate them together. The dead met the same fate, and they lay side by side. It was inconceivable that two countries could wage war against each other. In recent years, the Immortal Regiment popular movement, supported by the Russian state, has commemorated the dead at the Ohlsdorf Cemetery several times. According to Lübke, this celebration has a nationalistic and partly historical revisionist overtones. Thus, the Volksbund is not involved."

That is, it is clear that they want to somehow magically determine the nationality of the buried. Conflicts are said to arise at group memorial events, and there are proposals for "differentiation." What part of the text is not clear to me - do they want to physically rebury, or arrange separate events for groups? It didn't seem to be stated in plain text. And if they really start some kind of fights and provocations, I think it makes sense in principle to somehow alienate mutually aggressive groups of descendants. It was not enough for there to be more fresh corpses. I can be wrong of course.

[Hermit]

Hmmm, the West cannot understand not only the Russian soul, but also elementary demography. one -
almost all nationalities lived in the USSR in Ukraine. 2-Ukrainian surnames are common throughout the Union, as they are now in Russia. Ukrainians appeared and still live in Siberia, the Far East, the Urals in the 19th century - who are they - Ukrainians or Russians?
Probably, they will resort to the services of science and will determine by the genome.
It's time for the chances to present an account for the genocide of Leningraders, otherwise the brown plague begins to raise its head in Germanland.

[Alexander Salenko]

Plus, I'm also interested in how to share, but the key is - why? I don’t see any other interests besides getting money for work, but such activities are worse than prostitution and non-traditional sexual orientation. Even drug dealers don't look so ugly against this background.

[RVAPatriot]

Hmm, insanity is getting stronger, what will they come up with next ???

[Pavel57]

Let them do a genetic examination, then everyone will definitely be Ukrainians.

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

off topic but...

Media reports that Russian missiles exploded in Poland, near the border with Ukraine

Two downed rockets fell on Tuesday in the town of Wire in Lubelskie Voivodeship, on the border with Ukraine. Two people died, ZET radio reports. A senior US intelligence official confirmed to the Associated Press that they were Russian missiles.


Więcej: https://wiadomosci.radiozet.pl/Polska/przewodow-rakiety-spadly-na-polske-amerykanski-wywiad-potwierdza-ze-byly-rosyjskie

[4ekist]

Vasilenko Vladimir
rockets exploded in Poland, near the border with Ukraine

RIA News. MO RF: STATEMENTS BY THE POLISH MEDIA AND OFFICIALS ABOUT THE ALLEGED FALL OF "RUSSIAN" ROCKETS IN POLISH TERRITORY IS A INTENTIONAL PROVOCATION FOR THE PURPOSE OF ESCALATION.

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: 4ekist

INTENTIONALLY PROVOCATION FOR THE PURPOSE OF ESCALATION.

it’s a pity, you see, the Poles would behave more quietly

[Revolver]

Svidomo turned out to be contagious.

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[Dartanian]

Well, it would be democratic to ask the dead where to write them down ...... Nonsense, of course .... Touching the dead is a great sin and shame, let those who do it be rewarded

[Man from afar]

Just give the Germans the opportunity, they immediately take up the differentiation of the Slavs.

[brr1]

WELL, SO you just need to pick up our heroes from there and bury them at home. They deserve it. And collect German bones and bury them in Siberia, they deserve it too.

[T800-101]

The main thing is not to forget the remains of the Jews from the gypsies in the burials of concentration camps to separate. Still, the gene of fascism is sitting somewhere in the Fritz.

[Spaceman111]

The Germans have preserved records of their ancestors, which determined nationalities by the circumference of the head, isn't this what the grandson of his ancestors read or remembered? They provoke wherever possible, but in the news they smoothly bypassed the topic, did not heat up ....

[mongolian9999]

Oh well. In Rzhev, too, to start a delta on the Selizes, Bavarians and Prussians?

[iouris]

This is a violation of the state contract and a mockery of the buried victorious soldiers. The answer must be military-political. Such a Germany has no right to exist.

[Alexander Salenko]

Has - it's degradation. I already said above that there is a large German cemetery near Sevastopol. There are stones with tens of thousands of names, take and send them these gifts, put them in your place. Don't touch the bones, but they don't bother anyone, but this way the memorial will cease to exist, after all, no one called them here.

[Dimgnag]

And if he is half Ukrainian and half Russian. Which half where...
I live in Germany myself. The Germans themselves are ashamed to live here. It is not clear who chooses the government. I don't know anyone who would vote for them.

[SOBA4TACTICMOSCOW]

crazy world
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[Knell wardenheart]

Yeah ... the German is not the same as before ..

[Alexander Salenko]

They can, they already have paid cemeteries there in Europe. Indeed, to pick up the ashes, if I knew where the ashes of my great-grandfather were in Eastern Europe, I would have taken them out myself and buried them with my grandfathers.

[Brother]

Soviet Ukrainians and Russians lived in the same country! And they were really brothers!
This is with the current "under power" that in Russia and in Ukraine - enemies!
Politicians in Germany are following instructions from America!
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[Alexander Salenko]

So a Kazan Tatar once told me: you are a Ukrainian, I am a Tatar, but we are one people in essence, well, it’s a sin not to shake hands with such a person.

[Mobik]

And why not strike back with a symmetrical strike. We also have enough of their cemeteries, so to divide the German military graves according to the principle, if he comes from Silesia, then consider the person buried there as a Pole, if from Koenigsberg, then as a Russian collaborator who is unworthy of a military burial and his grave must be disposed of. I have a suspicion that after such a voiced initiative, the Germans will quickly lose their desire to share something there.

[Fangaro]

Forgive me if I now hurt someone's opinions, emotions, faith of today!
There, in the cemetery, in the graves, there is no one. But those soldiers, no matter in what rank, fought and died in the same units. And after three quarters of a century, it is up to them to decide for them, who have long been dead, how to relocate the remains ...
Is it that there would be no political disputes today?
So raze to the ground and give the land to developers - the lesser evil. At least everyone will still remain where they died.
I believe that this is just a throw from the press to test the reaction.

[Rostislav Prokopenko]

Record in the personal file of my great-grandfather:
nationality - Ukrainian (Zheleznyachka village, Yekaterinopolsky district, Kyiv region), children - Ukrainians - consider themselves Russians.