The commander of the Vostok brigade reported on the use of aviation by the Armed Forces of Ukraine against Russian troops in Pavlovka

Information has spread on the Internet about the use by the armed forces of Ukraine aviation against the positions of Russian troops in the village of Pavlovka, which was recently liberated by our forces after protracted fighting. This is confirmed in his Telegram channel by the commander of the Vostok brigade Alexander Khodakovsky.

According to the information of the Vostok brigade commander, which he also cites on his channel, as a result of the use of aviation by the Armed Forces of Ukraine, there are dead. Khodakovsky concludes that if the Russian troops do not move on, then Pavlovka will turn into a trap for our army. Its position relative to the neighboring Ugledar is such that it is lower. A number of dominant heights remain with the Armed Forces of Ukraine.

It should be noted that earlier many military experts warned that Pavlovka was located very inconveniently. From Ugledar, which is located on a hill, you can fire and shoot through the territory of the settlement. It is clear that in this case it simply cannot do without serious consequences for our Armed Forces. If we move further and enter Ugledar, yes, we can’t do without losses either, but after that the heights will come under Russian control with all the ensuing consequences for the Armed Forces of Ukraine.

Previously, a scandal was connected with Pavlovka, when a certain letter on behalf of the marines was circulated on the network. Then the conflict was settled, and the 155th separate marine brigade mentioned in the letter continued its combat path, successfully operating against the Ukrainian troops.

But the fact remains that this place is quite problematic and there will no doubt be more talk about it. The way out of the situation, as already noted and what brigade commander Khodakovsky is actually talking about, is an early attack on Ugledar with the capture of this settlement. This will deprive the enemy of the opportunity to fire on Russian troops in the lowlands.

A separate poll: why don't air defense systems block the very possibility of Ukrainian military aviation operating in the area of ​​Pavlovka and Vuhledar?

Comments

[yuriy55]

But the fact remains that this place is quite problematic and there will no doubt be more talk about it.

Any problematic place can be corrected by the use of (massive) weapons of great power.

[neworange88]

It is possible to demolish the dominant skyscrapers of Ugledar with artillery and aviation fire, for example.

[former soldier]

It is possible to demolish the dominant skyscrapers of Ugledar with artillery and aviation fire, for example.

Plus

[Elephant]

Quote from: neworange88

It is possible to demolish the dominant skyscrapers of Ugledar with artillery and aviation fire, for example.

And the space of high-rise buildings cleared and disinfected from banderlogs will be quickly occupied by our military!

[Plover]

You look at topographic maps - there is a height difference from the "lowlands" of Pavlovka to the "skyscrapers" of Ugledar - 50 meters.

[fif21]

Quote: Plover

You look at topographic maps - there is a height difference from the "lowlands" of Pavlovka to the "skyscrapers" of Ugledar - 50 meters.

After looking at topographic maps, you can’t enter Afghanistan at all, and you can never take the mountainous part of Chechnya. Something always interferes with a bad dancer, either hills, or heaps, or grenades of the wrong system. And turn on the brain? If of course he is.

[Terenin]

Seems like the expediency of each taken and left us. point will be discussed by the whole country.

[Alexander_Snegirev]

Quote: Terenin

the expediency of each taken and left us. point will be discussed by the whole country.

Our pavlovka was occupied. And now Khodakovsky says that if you don't go further, Pavlovka will become a trap. The Luftwaffe of Kyiv partners is hammering positions. We must leave Pavlovka, probably. He is like Troy or Carthage, he cannot take carbon from the spring.

[DymOk_v_dYmke]

Quote: Alexander_Snegirev

The Luftwaffe of Kyiv partners is hammering positions.

So the question arises: does Russian aviation dominate or has it already dominated?
Or is there a deal in this?

[not main]

Quote: DymOk_v_dYmke

Quote: Alexander_Snegirev

The Luftwaffe of Kyiv partners is hammering positions.

So the question arises: does Russian aviation dominate or has it already dominated?
Or is there a deal in this?

I don’t know why everyone wants an “agreement”? The situation is simple: elevation changes of 40-50 meters are not even hills! But they allow the aircraft to approach the line of fire unnoticed! And also leave. It's just that the cockpit of the aircraft should be occupied by a pilot, and not by a protégé ... unfortunately, something is not right with us. Threat in Soviet times, he flew with pilots from Ukraine, excellent pilots! But the controversy was already then! Especially about who feeds whom. The older generation will remember.

[Terenin]

Quote: non-primary

I don’t know why everyone wants an “agreement”?

There will be no agreement for a simple reason.
Firstly, no one from the West is going to negotiate with us,
Secondly, according to the Constitution and the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation Article 280.2. Violation of the territorial integrity of the Russian Federation... it is forbidden to seize territories.

[Piramidon]

Quote: DymOk_v_dYmke

Or in this agreement?!

Did you like the word that set the teeth on edge?

[former soldier]

Our pavlovka was occupied. And now Khodakovsky says that if you don't go further, Pavlovka will become a trap. We must leave Pavlovka, probably.

It's not about that. Before moving through the lowlands, they either occupy the heights or grind them into dust. Forgotten or in this situation, the basics of war are impossible.

[Plover]

There is a height difference of 40 meters. These are not the mountains of the Caucasus. You can also lowland, if there is such a need. In a specific case, after Pavlovka, an assault on Ugledar was to follow. But, apparently, there was some truth in the "letter" of the Marines. For they somehow cheerfully reported that the front was broken, but in fact it turns out that there are forces only on Pavlovka.

[Terenin]

Quote: Alexander_Snegirev

Quote: Terenin

the expediency of each taken and left us. point will be discussed by the whole country.

Our pavlovka was occupied. And now Khodakovsky says that if you don't go further, Pavlovka will become a trap. The Luftwaffe of Kyiv partners is hammering positions. We must leave Pavlovka, probably. He is like Troy or Carthage, he cannot take carbon from the spring.

Do not know
Obviously, you need to go on the whole front, and not as a separate unit which is then surrounded and ...
And, the whole front is not ready yet ... Once again - IMHO from the couch!

[neworange88]

.We must leave Pavlovka, probably.

Maybe Moscow should also be left probably? What if the Ukrainian Air Force will also fly there? No, it’s better then to immediately depart to the Far East.

[Glagol1]

I still can't figure out what happened after the (successful) blitzkrieg in the spring. For 1 month they occupied the entire Azov region, were on the outskirts of Kyiv and Kharkov, Sumy and Chernigov at arm's length, blocked Mariupol, the liberation of the LPR and then bam, stop car. In many areas we were breaking head-on, without advancing, and then rolled back.

[Deon59]

It does not resemble an analogy with the Second World War. The Germans were near Moscow, then they slowly but surely retreated and Berlin was taken. We were near Kyiv, and then quickly and confidently ran. The Germans retreated for 4 years, and ours for 11 months. Feel the difference.

[Mazunga]

Medinsky happened to Abramovich amigo (((after that everything became somehow more competitive on the market

[svoroponov]

Yes, there is no Ukrainian aviation there. Another stuffing. There is such a building, plus contact battles, plus the weather, that aviation practically cannot work. Well, maybe some kind of helicopter appeared. But according to the videos from there and the speeches of our fighters, there is no mention of Ukrainian aviation. Although somewhere in the course of rapid advancement, they most likely fell under their own ,, friendly ,, fire.

[TIR]

In order not to constantly take more and more new fortifications, deep breakthroughs are needed. To prepare such an offensive, you need to remove all US intelligence (not realistic). When breaking through all enemy lines and entering the operational space, it is necessary to complicate the transfer of enemy reserves (not realistic, since air defense is not suppressed). To keep the pace of the breakthrough, you need to have a clear supply system for the advancing troops (not realistic, since aviation does not work over enemy territory due to air defense and cannot destroy artillery). In general, to attack, we do not have the technical ability. And most importantly, ethical, to block all these factors with human lives. So deep offensives can not be expected. So we will take fortifications fortifications

[Plover]

People's General Staff? Or does the General Staff read VO and choose what they like? :)

[Brother]

Well, it turns out that - YES. Apparently the "military commanders" who should be doing this in their service, but making commercials about successes, are not doing their job.

[Asad]

That the last few days have not been watching the news, not listening, not hunting, sheer pidersia. And the soldiers at the front!? Cold is dirt, the enemy is hammering, and politicians are betraying.

[Terenin]

Quote: ASAD

and more politicians betray.

And where, from whom and when did they not betray?

[Asad]

To be honest, they didn’t inspire much confidence, but not to such an extent!

[TIR]

Soldiers on the front lines are generally better off not watching the news. If we are tired of all these politicians, then it will be even worse for them and their boltology

[Thrifty]

Is this the very aviation of the Ukrainian Roina, which they "do not have", because Konashenkov, in his bravura reports, "destroyed" it at the very beginning of the war?

[stelltok]

So there was news about deliveries from Uganda
Read carefully (... as well as Su-30MK2 aircraft.)
https://vk.com/wall-123538639_3107338

[Tusv]

Her really raggedy. But how many reserves left the USSR. The former ATS countries had more active aviation, which, by the way, was also disheveled. Now repaired from storage warehouses are coming in, the United States buys them all over the world. Repair capacity up to 20 per month

[BMP-2]

Oh, come on, all the enterprises producing or repairing military equipment have also been destroyed long ago. Numerous pinpoint strikes are inflicted on them every day: how can they repair something :?) And the equipment that is supplied from abroad is destroyed all on the way to the line of contact. Or am I confusing something :)

[Dingo]

Is this the very aviation of the Ukrainian Roina, which they "do not have", because Konashenkov, in his bravura reports, "destroyed" it at the very beginning of the war?

Yes. Just listen to Konashenkov - do not respect yourself. One thing pleases - here and on "topcor" the authors have ceased to refer "according to the information of the MO ..." and upload videos with this prompter ...

[Alexander Grigoryev_2]

Are you a stupid person? Put on a gas mask and sit down 30 times. Then you measure with a dosimeter.

[He will]

The point is small - to wash off the preservation from the FAB-3000/5000 (and maybe 9000), tint-finish-cultivate and fit modern guidance.
To do this earlier, there would be neither Azovstal, nor Avdiivka constantly shelling Donetsk, nor any ukrobastions at all. All enemy dungeons are in ruins.
https://wwii.space/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/Untitled90-5.png

[Andy_nsk]

The point is small - to wash off the preservation from the FAB-3000/5000 (and maybe 9000), tint-finish-cultivate and fit modern guidance.

Here's another, paint to spend - and so it will do! Here's what to do with the Ukrainian air defense? - it really is a question! I hope our Air Force is already working on these Lancets and other dangerous tools.

[TIR]

There are special tools for this. Only we do not have work on enemy air defense. Alone on a personal initiative, everything works. We do not have any systematic work in any area. Everything rests on one person. He decides who and what to do and where to drive the money

[gafovec]

EPRST. Ukroaviation was ruffled almost in the first week of the NWO. Or are we modern ..., pardon my French, brought too victorious reports? I don't understand.

[Terenin]

Quote from gafovec

EPRST. Ukroaviation was ruffled almost in the first week of the NWO. Or are we modern ..., pardon my French, brought too victorious reports? I don't understand.

And shaggy, and vaunted reports ... everything was mixed up and still remains, as in a negligent housing office ... When will there be one-man management!?

[Elephant]

Not only shabby, but also received awards and extraordinary titles for this

[topol717]

What air defense systems? This is generally very strange, because let's say the battle is on the side of the Armed Forces of Ukraine.
Where is our fighter aviation????
Where are our DLRO planes?
Where could this 1 or several planes take off from????
Or maybe there was no one there? and the usual political fuss???

[dmi.pris1]

And the fuss and confusion with the strike of their own aircraft on their own is everything possible. There is a lot of Khodakovsky in the media, how does a person manage to do everything?

[Terenin]

Quote: dmi.pris

Something a lot of Khodakovsky has become in the media, how does a person manage to do everything?

Not otherwise gathered in the State Duma.

[Alexga]

"At Pavlovka, the enemy used aircraft - there are dead. If we do not move further, then Pavlovka becomes a trap."
Here is what Khodakovsky wrote on his Internet channel. Only this, the rest is from the author. I re-read everything that Khodakovsky had written since February 24, and the question also arose of how he manages to do it. A purely media person, I would say that everything looks like the opinion of a person from the outside, writes about everything literally, knows everything that is happening somewhere. The Internet has forgotten about Khodokovsky since the age of 15, when he came into conflict with the authorities of the DPR. Now he is called the brigade commander of the East, but this is not at all like the truth. They can forgive all the words of an ordinary blogger, but counters would have long since knocked on the door to the commander of a military unit in a war. War has its secrets.

[Aerodrome]

Quote from: topol717

Where could this 1 or several planes take off from????

even from romania...

[Ser Vak]

from romania to coaldar ??? and why, if they have their own untouched or which have already been restored since spring

[Zaurbek]

Reinforcements 404 will be transferred from Kherson .... and they will also squeeze back

[Elephant]

And at this time, our military will all continue to intensively dig in on the left bank, in pursuance of the order

[Zaurbek]

Well, you need to strengthen the busy ... As practice shows.

[Gvardeetz77]

Well, the phoenix bird has again risen from the ashes .... Mr. Talking Head MO, correct your numbers

[Luminman]

So it seems like all Skaklyatskaya aviation was destroyed from the very beginning of the operation.
Together with airfields ... Maybe I didn’t understand something?

[fax66]

These are secret airfields, camouflaged and very difficult to detect.
Planes fly low, low, so they are also undetectable.
those. their Air Force is very much hiding, which means they are very afraid of us - therefore the conclusion is: We have won complete air superiority!

[stelltok]

Maybe I didn't understand something?

So there was news about deliveries from Uganda
Read carefully (... as well as Su-30MK2 aircraft.)
https://vk.com/wall-123538639_3107338

[Plover]

And judging by what I saw today on the slide of the press general, that a total of 333 aircraft were destroyed - they were destroyed more than once.

[antivirus]

Who's funny dpeal: step on pavlovka.
Big stars do not give more mind. But only responsibility.
Great knowledge multiplies sklrbi.
The ensign is no dumber than the lieutenant general

[bk316]

Big stars do not give more mind.

Big stars in general, except for pensions, do not give anything. Responsibility gives position. It is assumed that the great mind of the star gives, but this is not always the case.

[Zaurbek]

I would not say that the death rate of generals is very high in our country. This is a consequence of the weakness of the officers

[aleksr2005]

Then the Ukrainians will come, as always, they will pile on a group of many thousands, regardless of the losses, and return everything that we gnawed so hard with small forces. So the recapture of these small villages, roughly speaking, does not bring optimism.

[ViktorX]

Perhaps, as a calculation precisely on the fact that, in the strategic plan, it is impossible to fight for too long "regardless of losses". Napoleon in 1812 was not considered and eventually lost ....

[Ser Vak]

only from our side no one is really fighting and there are not enough people

[ViktorX]

Let's wait for the process to finish. In 1812, Bagration also demanded battles,
however, Kutuzov and Barclay de Tolly essentially won the war.
Here, I consider the main thing to be the maximum possible destruction of the enemy, incl. by destroying infrastructure.

[rotkiv04]

so Konashenkov already 7 months ago suppressed all the air defense of the outskirts and had complete air supremacy

[stelltok]

So they brought air defense. Or do you sleep all the time?

[rotkiv04]

Quote from stelltok

So they brought air defense. Or do you sleep all the time?

how many arrived, 3 launchers

[stelltok]

Many things are not publicly disclosed. If you know what I mean.

[rotkiv04]

Quote from stelltok

Many things are not publicly disclosed. If you know what I mean.

they made me laugh, you just shouldn’t believe what they voice for TV, then you won’t have to come up with excuses. The air defense of the outskirts both acted and is acting, but what they brought in was to strengthen the protection of the government quarter, they are very afraid for their own skin

[Dartanian]

. as a result of the use of aviation of the Armed Forces of Ukraine there are dead

this is as a result of balabolism and lies of types like konoshenko. Six months ago, they pompously lied that aviation was suppressed, but on the ground it turned out differently. Where is air defense, aviation?

[Plover]

Today, the press general reported that a total of 333 aircraft were destroyed o_O.

[UAZ 452]

I don’t understand one thing - with the massive use of reconnaissance drones by both sides, what difference does it make - who controls the heights? Already over their positions, copters can be kept at least constantly, and safe from the enemy, and their flight altitude will be more than any heights in that area.
And how will occupying the dominant heights protect them from enemy aircraft? Plant fighters with binoculars (if they are found, binoculars), follow the sky from these heights? However, after the report on the awarding of the sailor on duty, who visually noticed enemy drones in the Sevastopol Bay (the radar station was not even mentioned), I would not be surprised by this either.

[bk316]

I don’t understand one thing - with the massive use of reconnaissance drones by both sides, what difference does it make - who controls the heights?

Directional difference. You are sitting behind a hillock 3 km from the line, you need to be hollowed out with a howitzer. You ran from dugout to dugout, or the beshka passed. Nobody will pull the battery. And if you are sitting on a hill, you can immediately zaptur the target.

[topol717]

Everyone always goes after the artillery has prepared a bridgehead. So you can’t lie there normally, and snipers don’t mess around either.

[Zaurbek]

That's it, that there are few UAVs and it is weather dependent. And aviation cannot safely bomb

[former soldier]

A number of dominant heights remain with the Armed Forces of Ukraine.

When conducting offensive operations in the second Chechen, before moving forward, they occupied the surrounding heights, landing troops or otherwise. The first Chechen one served as a lesson in this.

[Plover]

There are still no mountains. There is a drop of 40 meters in height.

[former soldier]

There are still no mountains. There is a drop of 40 meters in height.

There are no complete analogies. Nevertheless, the principle remains. It's definitely difficult there. One village flows smoothly into another. Very tight.
ps. I look at the agglomeration - a chain from Slavyansk to Konstantinovka. Take it on the forehead? Apparently you need to look at the experience of the Second World War.

[Plover]

Now you can - and you need to! - better. That's just for this you need a normal digital encrypted communication, you need satellite and UAV intelligence.

[Edvid]

The piles of corpses near the railroad looked like snow-covered hills so far, and only the bodies lying on top were visible. Later, in the spring, when the snow melted, everything below was revealed. Near the ground lay the dead in summer uniforms - in tunics and boots. These were the victims of the autumn battles of 1941. They were piled up in rows of marines in pea jackets and wide black trousers ("bell bottoms"). Above - Siberians in sheepskin coats and felt boots, who went on the attack in January-February 1942. Still higher are political fighters in padded jackets and rag hats (such hats were given in besieged Leningrad). On them are bodies in greatcoats, camouflage coats, with and without helmets on their heads. The corpses of soldiers from many divisions who attacked the railway line in the first months of XNUMX mixed up here. A terrible chart of our "successes"! But all this was exposed only in the spring, and now there was no time to look at the battlefield.
http://lib.ru/MEMUARY/1939-1945/PEHOTA/nikulin.txt_with-big-pictures.html

[former soldier]

http://lib.ru/MEMUARY/1939-1945/PEHOTA/nikulin.txt_with-big-pictures.html

Was reading. But Nikulin wrote a lot from other people's words and stamps invented during perestroika and later.

[Ulan.1812]

Oh how! But what about our total air superiority?

[bdfy_bdfy]

what kind of domination? where is aviation? the level of combat work of the airborne forces is negative, given the rare footage of waste of ammunition from a roll-up, if this is a method of disposing of an expired ammo, then it is very expensive.

[Ulan.1812]

So am I about it. It's all sad and sad.

[bdfy_bdfy]

it is probably the results of the leadership of the "general from the infantry of Aramageddon" of the VKS led to a complete apocalypse of the entire combat and political system in the winged forces, the political should be noted separately, because there is an opinion that certain tasks of the VKS are set, but their implementation is sabotaged under various pretexts , I will not further develop the idea, and I will catch so many minuses

[cold wind]

And you ask the question, who is the commander of the VKS. Who brought her to a state of non-combat readiness.

[bdfy_bdfy]

did you read my second post? there is a continuation.

[Osipov9391]

Note that every time a missile attack is launched on Ukraine, its officials write that so many Tu-95s over the Caspian launched so many missiles.
So many Tu-160s launched so many missiles over the Black Sea.
Where can they get such information from?
Is it really satellites or an intelligence network at airfields?
Over the Black Sea is clear, AWACS can detect.
But over the Caspian Sea is no longer there.
But they know in detail that for example there were 2 planes and 16 missiles.
Strange ...

[user707]

Where can they get such information from?

Even old early warning satellites detected launches of not only intercontinental, but also air defense missiles (75 complex in Vietnam).
I think modern ones determine not only the rise of the 160s and x, but also the start of the CD from them.

[Osipov9391]

Already at the last blow, our missile carriers changed positions.
They fired over the Rostov and Volgograd regions.

So what ? The missiles have not yet reached the border with Ukraine, as there is an air raid everywhere, and their talking heads write that there were so many bombers, so many missiles over the Volgograd and Rostov regions.
It doesn't look like an agency network.
But in general, such awareness gives a great advantage, since they almost do not include radars. And their air defense is so tenacious.

[user707]

there were so many bombers

Takeoff satellite accurately sees.
You probably saw what kind of torches there are in the afterburner mode.
There are takeoff facts tied to specific runways.
That is, there are so many planes in the air.
This is how the satellite sees in the IR the launch of the CD from the aircraft, for me the question is.
From the water, please, we all saw how the accelerators work there.
And in the air? Maybe the turbojet starter gives a thermal release?

in general, such awareness is of great advantage

Yes.
In general, it is not hidden that their early warning systems notice not only intercontinental ones.

[Osipov9391]

Can an agent network be used?
Yesterday near Kyiv they shot down several X-55s that did not explode.
There were simulators of nuclear charges inside.
This means that either the development of a nuclear strike, or missiles went from the emergency reserve.
But they could not deliver a conventional charge, apparently they decided to use it as a bait to distract air defense.

[user707]

You ask such questions (about agents) as if I work at Polezhaevskaya or Lubyanka.
It is not.
But in general terms, I don't think so.
These data are (relatively) of little value, and a collaborating person is rare and of great value.
Not according to the tool work.

But if the early warning system sees the exhaust of the aircraft not in afterburner.
You understand what this means for aviation (and not only Russian).

near Kyiv, several X-55s were shot down that did not explode.
There were simulators of nuclear charges inside.

Ukrainian or English source?
Would like to watch.

[Osipov9391]

Westerners write: https://www.pravda.ru/news/world/1771613-rossija_kiev_jadernaja_boegolovka/
There are photos.
And there was news on this site.

[user707]

Thank you.

By the way, after thinking a little.
But after all, the rise of the 95s should not be visible, right?
There is a rather cold exhaust worked on the turbine.
So, my words should also be critically treated.

[Osipov9391]

Perhaps there are radar and optical surveillance satellites.
You don't have to look far for an example.
What experience does the United States have in creating spacecraft for the study of distant planets, their radar imaging, atmospheric analysis and other things?
Huge experience , even Pluto explored.
So I'm not surprised by their capabilities.

The main Russian developer and manufacturer of microcircuits fell under US sanctions. Formally since March, but actually now.
They cut off all foreign factories, foreign offices through which materials and consumable equipment were purchased.
And their microcircuits, think about it, went for satellites, sonar systems, avionics and even ICBMs.
They have stopped supplying almost everything to all consumers, or they are selling off the rest.
What will happen now ?
https://zelenograd-news.ru/news/society/ssha_vveli_sanktsii_protiv_zelenogradskoy_kompanii_milandr_i_svyazannye_s_ney_kompanii/

[Vladimir 290]

What is the advantage of a position on such a hill with modern means of destruction and reconnaissance? After all, these are not mountains, and even there the defense was previously supposed to be kept on the reverse slopes of the heights. And besides, with all due respect, I don’t understand how a commander can keep up with everything and lead the troops and speak on the first channel and write blogs with comments.

[oleg-nekrasov-19]

That's it ! Iron the dominant heights with artillery, including the skyscrapers of Ugledar. The fire spotters are exactly there. And of course, to introduce reserves of the second stage for a further offensive.

[certero]

Unclear. Our VKS do not strike due to the saturation of the enemy with MANPADS and Air Defense. And the enemy strikes with aircraft. What, we don't have a PZRK? Or air defense?
Okay, hamers, we can’t do shit with them. Okay drones overhead. But the air defense of Russia should shoot down everything that only appears in the sky.
I don't understand anything anymore. What, they lied to us so that their ears are wrapped?
Damn, because I was going to condemn anything more ...

[Plover]

Read Murza about the connection. Most likely, all our air defense calculations have long been known and controlled. So you can find a place and time where there will be no air defense countermeasures

[Vladimir M]

Can someone explain - how can the aircraft of the Armed Forces of Ukraine fly and strike? I still can hardly understand that their aircraft can fly over Kyiv, Lvov, the Polish border ... but at the forefront, how?

[former soldier]

Can someone explain - how can the aircraft of the Armed Forces of Ukraine fly and strike? I still can hardly understand that their aircraft can fly over Kyiv, Lvov, the Polish border ... but at the forefront, how?

It can be assumed that deepened concrete hangars remained from the USSR or that they fly from Romania, and in Ukraine there were jump strips with refueling. They go to the front line at an extremely low altitude.

[Vladimir M]

It is unlikely that deepened hangars remained there, but where our fighter aircraft and air defense, which has no analogues, is a question.

[Plover]

In today's brief, on the slide of the press general, it was indicated that 333 aircraft were shot down. And they are still flying. If we can’t calculate normally, then there are no technical means of control, because the planes need an airfield and detect where the remnants of aviation can be ... if there is anything.

[storm]

From Ugledar, which is located on a hill, you can fire and shoot through the territory of the settlement.

Enough of this nonsense to rewrite about the colossal advantage of elevation.

Artillery and MLRS shoot along a hinged trajectory and they don’t care where their target is on a hill or in a lowland!
If the RF Armed Forces have provided themselves with reliable target designation from satellites, aviation and drones, then the positions of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in Vugledar must be guaranteed to be destroyed,
and if all hope is only on foot spotters, who from the lowland cannot see what is happening on the hill, then everything is still bad in our army, the NVO needs to be turned off and not to ruin people in vain ...

[TatarinSSSR]

So you don't know yet? Around March, it was already clear to everyone that in our army everything is still bad. In addition to parades, exhibitions, amusing exercises and tank biathlons.

[Alexy]

How could you be so naive??? Since March, tin! We have a mandatory parade in every village on May 9th. The policemen and guards are busy with their own business. Why do we need so many of them? "Listeners" of various academies in Moscow learn to march for three months. Then, from a lack of knowledge, they check the color of the dyed grass in subordinate units. What else do they know and do?

[tun5t]

demitalization cannot be retreated
Are you asking us to put a comma on our own?

[Olezhek]

demitalization cannot be retreated
Are you asking us to put a comma on our own?

You understand, dear.
You something in any case Khan.
They just don't talk about it yet.
Look at the real population of the remnants of Ukraine.
The war will be.
Ukraine will not
If this is a "victory" then I don't know ...

[tun5t]

understand dear.
you put it in the wrong basket
I'm on the wrong side
moreover, you did not understand the meaning of what was said from the word absolute. although I admit it sounds ambivalent, it's like with any indirect statement. (there was an answer to panicky comments about our military, but about "us" he meant couch troops)

[habaroff.ven]

Since unexpected problems have arisen, it is necessary to immediately carry out a cunning regrouping and withdraw the troops. Today they showed on the news how a soldier on the left bank single-handedly picks clay with a shovel. He says he is building a dugout. Then he says we roll the logs in three layers - "our dugout in three rolls" pancake. Very bad...vegetable mood in most of the people in the country. If only the guarantor spoke, said what he was going to do next, if he himself knew.

[tun5t]

he does not need to know - old age has already happened; this term is already the last; children, grandchildren, grown up, released abroad; no wife, no one will nag ... etc. etc.

[storm]

If only the guarantor spoke, said what he was going to do next, if he himself knew.

Here Lavrov will bring instructions from the G20 meeting, and he will speak on them ...

[oleg-nekrasov-19]

Iron the dominant heights with artillery, including the skyscrapers of Ugledar. The fire spotters are exactly there. And of course, to introduce reserves of the second stage for a further offensive.

[Carlos Hall]

It is inconceivable that the best air defense system in the world and the best aviation in Europe would allow the handful of aircraft that remained with Ukraine to fly. As for Pavlovskaya. Stop whining. Muradov and his lieutenant Akhmedov immediately begin the assault on Ugledar.

[TatarinSSSR]

Combat aviation of the Ukrainian Air Force flies and strikes at Russian troops, in the suburbs at the training ground, mobilized swear words and give bream to the colonels of the Ministry of Defense, fortifications are being built in Melitopol, Zelensky is walking with selected Natsiks in the abandoned Kherson - everything is fine, the NVO is going according to plan.

[tun5t]

yeah, it’s Stalin’s turn, behind Moscow, there’s nowhere to retreat, and now it’s Putin ... and in a joke to everything, the UkroRada decides to recognize the Republic of Tatarstan as an INDEPENDENT state! Well, it's just the autumn of the 41st with us, as always at the beginning of all wars in Russia. Now about the price - World War 1 killed 7 million people, World War II (great. Patriotic) killed 2 million owls. people, now the 21rd world ~ 3 million losses will be. Bavishti Purana - in this era of change (as the Chinese say) - all three by three.

[ALARI]

Well, not only in the suburbs at the training ground, the mobilized swear obscenities of the Colonel of the Ministry of Defense, that week in our city at the Expo it was the same. The trend however. As it was, there is no such word back, you turn around and alga.

[opuonmed]

it's time to destroy the air defense aviation of Ukraine! It is high time !

[TatarinSSSR]

And it’s not time to ask the question - why hasn’t it been destroyed yet and why is it calmly taking off from Ukrainian airfields?

[opuonmed]

that’s for sure the irunda is going on somehow, I remember from the very beginning they used to say the MO air defense of the enemy destroyed aviation, too, mda

[Gulo]

After these readings, it seems that we are going in the wrong place.

[Viktor fm]

Many times they showed how cool our air defense is, but it’s not enough to see it.

[nellyjuri]

Why is air defense inactive? Probably so that in Pavlovka it would not be destroyed by the artillery of the junta.

[Plover]

If my memory serves me right, this is the second "taking". God grant that the last.

[Petya Kuzmin]

Majorsk has been taken 3 times since September, and they blow the trumpet when they leave, though they are silent. Perhaps not the last time.

[Arkady007]

And how did it happen that theirs fly and ours do not?

[Ros 56]

The question is certainly interesting, but with the answer the snag came out.

[peter-Sl]

But what about our "dominance" in the air?

[Fangaro]

Air force
It hasn't been mentioned anywhere for a long time.
If everything is so, then our air defense is either absent in the area of ​​​​operation, or reflected some other attack.

[Markovic]

When I read about the course of the military operations of our troops in Ukraine, I remember the lessons of the Second World War. The destruction of commanders before the start of the Second World War cannot be attributed to the hysteria of our special services, just as the belated order to bring the troops into combat position cannot be attributed to Stalin's mistakes. Here you can see the work of German agents among the top leadership of the country. Not without reason, when at the end of the thirties a group of the Central Control Commission of the Central Committee of the All-Union Communist Party of Bolsheviks was sent to Transcaucasia to verify information about Beria's belonging to the Dashnaks, this group was completely destroyed on the way.

[Aviator_]

After the recent hysteria of Khodakovsky about the marines of the Pacific Fleet and the assertions that 60% of our losses are solely from "friendly fire", he has no faith, just like Sladkov.

[UAZ 452]

And what - his words were reasonably refuted?

[Aviator_]

Yes. And the post about 60% suddenly disappeared somewhere. There is such a parable. “A man fell into a hole, sits and can’t get out. They are walking past 3 bloggers, the man began to ask them for help. The first one started filming the poor fellow on the phone. The second transferred some money to his account. And the third was a military correspondent, he wrote in his blog about ten men who died in the pit. This is more about Sladkov.

[UAZ 452]

Yeah. And they denied about the losses: in a letter to the governor they wrote about 300 killed, wounded and missing, and the "checkers" found that 1% of the payroll were killed, 7% were wounded. But the payroll of the Marine Corps brigade in modern states is about 3300 people, so even if they didn’t “round” down, it’s more than 30 killed and more than 220 wounded, they kept silent about the missing out of modesty. And what was the rebuttal?
I remember the old joke about the Soviet runner who came to the finish line second, and the American who took the penultimate place. from two participants.

[Arkady007]

Watch Konashenkov more often, there will be no questions at all.

[TatarinSSSR]

A video from Sladkov just appeared in the cart with his opinion about the butting of those mobilized with the colonel of the Moscow Region near Moscow, and a minute later it left ...

[Damien_C]

Have the front-line troops access to Verba MANPAD's or Ingla MANPAD's ?

The Nazis have fired thousands of MANPAD's at Russian planes and Helicopters it would be nice if they had to run the same gauntlet

[Viktor Sergeev]

I have a question: well, where is our air defense? Where are the A50, Mig31, Su35? Airfields warm?

[Rosemary]

Quote: DymOk_v_dYmke

Here arises question: Russian aviation dominates or has it already dominated?

...

Quote: Vladimir M

but where is our fighter aircraft and air defense, which has no analogues - question.

...

Quote: TatarinSSSR

It's not time to ask the question - why has it not been destroyed yet and why is it taking off calmly from Ukrainian airfields?

...

Quote: Victor Sergeev

I question: Well, where is our air defense? Where are the A50, Mig31, Su35?

...
Continuous questions

[Sergey3]

It can't be like that! But what about our unparalleled in the world, the second super air defense system in Siberia? The one that smells ukrofascist planes for 500 km? Forgot to bring her from the exhibition?

[Ros 56]

Well, it's good to rant. I, too, found a reason and time.

[Sergey3]

Maybe not a reason and not the time, but the phrase "having no analogues in the world" really just infuriates me.

[Codett]

Where is the air defense, where is our aviation, as Konoshenkov said, we have complete air superiority, apparently we just don’t use it, because this is not a war, but a NVO

[iouris]

Where is Pavlovka, and where is Konoshenkov. Konoshenkov has everything in openwork: the troops are fighting, reports are coming in ...

[iouris]

Fighter aircraft must be on combat duty in the air.

[Alexander Konstantinovich Makeev]

Fire support is completely insufficient for the front line troops. We need 1500-2000 MLRS, 7000 howitzers and 15000 long-range artillery! 500 Sunbakers! 15-20 thousand mortars! 30000 hand-held flamethrowers and 50000 hand-held grenade launchers! 12000 UAVs. And accurately round the clock to hammer on the fortifications and accumulations of equipment and manpower of Ukrainian and foreign Nazis. Gradually advance behind the shaft of such fire!
But it is also necessary to destroy power plants in the rear of the Nazis. Destroy railway stations and bridges!
And very well-trained military personnel in the NMD should be involved not 120 thousand or even 500 thousand, but not less than 3 million!
Then, within 3-4 months, the entire previously totally destroyed Ukraine could be freed from all the Nazi rabble. And let the Ukrainians themselves restore what they can. And what they can’t, well, let them be edified, as it comes back to haunt them for a massive insanity into Nazism!
And in order for there to be a quick and high-quality restoration of civilian infrastructure, it is necessary for Ukrainian regions to voluntarily, separately, withdraw from the Bandera Ukraine, with the rejection of the succession of Ukraine and the rejection of all debts of Ukraine, and become part of the Russian Federation.

[Garik Gorkin]

it is necessary for the Ukrainian regions to voluntarily, separately, leave the Bandera Ukraine ... and become part of the Russian Federation.

Fantasy why write. There, for such a statement, at best, they will be imprisoned, and at worst, a bullet in the forehead.

[Ros 56]

Absolutely agree with you. Your words, yes to God's ears.

[km-21]

Private prescriptions won't help us. Whatever our command does, it will all be shattered by the military and economic power of the WHOLE Collective West. Do not forget that it is not Ukraine, led by a clown, that is fighting against Russia, but the United States + NATO with a billion people, with an advanced economy and armed forces many times superior to us.

Therefore, we have very little chance of surviving. More precisely, one against ninety-nine. And that chance is nuclear weapons. If not for it, then Russian cities would have long ago turned into radioactive ruins. Or maybe not even radioactive, since the enemy has quite enough conventional bombs and tomahawks to defeat Russia. And the Hymers...

Therefore, if Russia does not indicate for the West in the near future a real threat of its complete (West) destruction and does not demonstrate readiness to go to the end, then we will be strangled. Perhaps slowly. Possibly fast. But the main thing is inevitable.

And the only way to demonstrate a threat to the West is by delivering a demonstrative nuclear warning strike against one of NATO facilities. Best of all in Polish Rzeszow. If the attack is decisive enough, leaving no doubt in the enemy about our readiness to go to the end, then the enemy will drift and fall behind us. Otherwise, everything will end very badly for us.

[ilya.muromczev2013]

It is conveniently located, or not convenient - bullshit! In order to occupy the dominant heights (in this case, Ugledar), you first need to take places near these heights (in this case, Pavlovka). It doesn't happen otherwise. But why the air defense does not work, and where our aviation has disappeared to - this is not at all a "separate question"! This is precisely the main question ... In the presence of air defense and aviation, all the "inconveniences of the location of Pavlovka" will disappear, like smoke from the face of a fire ...

[certero]

Quote: assault

it means that in our army everything is still bad, the NVO needs to be turned off and not to ruin people in vain

Fully agree with your conclusion. Only in order to curtail the imperialist slaughter is it necessary that the imperialists disappear from power.

[sgrabik]

We always emphasize and praise the capabilities of our anti-aircraft systems and systems, but in this case, a completely reasonable question arises why Ukrainian aviation still has the ability to take to the air and work on our positions, again they didn’t notice in time, they didn’t identify, we didn’t have time when this mess finally ends, probably it’s time to start severely punishing such mistakes and omissions that cost the lives of our fighters.

[wladomir]

I do not understand the statements of our command about the superiority of Russian aviation. Where is this superiority seen? During the Second World War, at the initial stage, German aviation bombarded the front line with air bombs, preventing the infantry from raising their heads, and destroyed logistics and reserves. It was superiority. Now our aviation is doing something sneakily on tiptoe, and when, after some time, Western-style aviation appears near the outskirts, and there is no doubt about this, our aviation will completely die out.

[Dutchman]

What kind of aviation of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, the General Staff has already reported dozens of times that the entire aviation of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and its infrastructure have been destroyed! We are now at war with NATO, maybe it was the Raptors or the F-35s

[Horn]

"Many military experts warned that Pavlovka was located very inconveniently. From Ugledar, which is located on a hill, it is possible to fire and shoot through the territory of the settlement. It is clear that in this case it simply cannot do without serious consequences for our Armed Forces"
- Yes, you slander our generals! They changed Kherson to Pavlovka with a dear soul! Even for Abramovich, money was withdrawn from sanctions for the sake of this, otherwise he spent too much money, sickly.

[Volzhanin64]

A strange, very strange war. The guys are only on the front line and I feel sorry for the civilians. How many more will die and become crippled. Either our generals and the General Staff are complete mediocrities, or they are not allowed to really fight. Here again the SVR and the CIA are agreeing on something in Turkey.

[Last centurion]

It’s an amazing fact that if you don’t attack and just fire at them with cannons, a response may arrive. Marvelous! But it's a fact! that if you don’t go on the attack and sit in the trenches, there will also be losses. Isn't it amazing?
PS, in fact, the air defense systems, including hand needles, were not delivered at all? What are our S-300 and beeches doing there? Or are they inflatable and not there?

[Christian Revuelta]

I thought the ukronazis lost their aviation on day one... Or have they been resupplied by the west?

[Ros 56]

We have replenished, this is understandable, our carelessness is incomprehensible.

[Ros 56]

It seems that the longer the SVO, the more problems we have. Do we really lack fighters and air defense systems? What the hell is going on?

[Sergey3]

This is a war of resource depletion, as soon as we have a shortage of normal weapons, we will be attacked from all sides; troops have long been brought in in the required quantities. Therefore, they wasted outdated weapons; the only new ones were infantry fighting vehicles, which are relatively cheap and can be built quickly. NATO is saving real forces for attacking us. Precision weapons around the world are expensive and in short supply. No one seriously believes that nuclear weapons can be used!

[odisey3000]

First of all, we need to apparently disperse this gang of military experts, put Comrade A Khodakovsky on notice so that he stops saying and posting so many things on the Internet, like Leo Tolstoy of Sevastopol, he will probably write a book of memoirs soon. War is generally a problematic place in itself. .and that not everything is convenient in war. I would like to draw the attention of the respected public to the scandal with the personnel of the 155th Regional Infantry Division, so I’m informing you that it was a well-thought-out fake on the part of the Ukrainian special services, very skillfully presented and presented to our citizens through our media, because that in Pavlovka at that time our marines were bent over the Ukrainians at full speed and in order to somehow help their Svidomo, this stuffing was made in the Russian media and the bait was swallowed. I mean that our individual so-called military experts should stop writing all sorts of garbage. Why still for now there is no body controlling our writing and speaking brethren. During the US war in Iraq, all the media were controlled by special agencies of the US Army, but we, as always, are ahead of the rest, let's see where we get with this approach to covering a special operation.