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The heavy flamethrower system TOS-1A "Solntsepyok" is being upgraded taking into account the experience of using it in battles in Ukraine

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The heavy flamethrower system TOS-1A "Solntsepyok" is being upgraded taking into account the experience of using it in battles in Ukraine

The flamethrower system TOS-1A "Solntsepek" will increase the firing range and accuracy, work on the modernization of the system is currently underway. Denis Petrov, Chief Engineer of JSC "Omsktransmash", told about this.


Work on the flamethrower system includes not only an increase in the range and accuracy of fire, the modernization will also affect a number of devices and mechanisms, the decision was made taking into account the participation of the Solntsepekov in hostilities in Ukraine. As Petrov explained, within the framework of the NMD, the tactics of using heavy flamethrower systems, originally developed for support, were changed, TOS in Ukraine is increasingly being used at the forefront.

At the moment, work is underway to increase the firing range, its accuracy, as well as to simplify the process of aiming at the target and completing the task. First of all, it is an increase in the area of ​​\uXNUMXb\uXNUMXbdestruction (...) Initially, the vehicle was designed as a support vehicle, however, experience shows that, as a rule, it is at the forefront

- said the chief engineer of Omsktransmash in the program "Military acceptance" at the shopping mall "Star".

The need to modernize heavy flamethrower systems in the Ministry of Defense was announced last year. They explained this by changing the tasks for TOS and the growing range. The upgraded vehicles receive modern digital communications, as well as equipment for a closed data transmission segment, which will allow them to be integrated into automatic control systems (ACS) of the tactical level. In addition, for TOS-1 and TOS-1A it was planned to adapt long-range ammunition from TOS-2 (Tosochki), thereby increasing the range of TOS to 15 km instead of the currently available 6 km.

To date, TOS-1A "Solntsepek" covers an area of ​​​​up to 40 thousand square meters at a distance of up to 6 km with one salvo.
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  1. Stakan
    Stakan 13 November 2022 13: 09
    +36
    Flamethrower system TOS-1A "Solntsepek" will increase the range and accuracy,

    Oh, how important this is now! Work guys, I smell Ukraine alone, this will not end.
    1. Shurik70
      Shurik70 13 November 2022 13: 16
      +8
      And increase the accuracy to hell?
      The sunbath is a weapon of work in areas.
      Unless when there is an incomplete salvo, two or three missiles are launched. There yes. Accuracy becomes important.
      1. SKVichyakow
        SKVichyakow 13 November 2022 13: 21
        +20
        Quote: Shurik70
        And increase the accuracy to hell?
        The sunbath is a weapon of work in areas.
        Unless when there is an incomplete salvo, two or three missiles are launched. There yes. Accuracy becomes important.

        Necessary for smoking out of dugouts and similar structures.
        1. Bad_gr
          Bad_gr 13 November 2022 13: 44
          +26
          Quote: Shurik70
          And increase the accuracy to hell?
          So after all, the range is doubled, and if the accuracy is left the same, the shells will scatter like a fan, and they need to be collected, at least within the square that was covered earlier (this is if the characteristics of the warhead remained the same)
        2. Evil 55
          Evil 55 13 November 2022 15: 42
          0
          And who prevents you from installing an additional upper stage on the projectile and forming a package based on KamAZ-63501 no more than 10-12 units .. And it will be very cool, both in terms of mobility and the power of a volley .. hi
          1. SKVichyakow
            SKVichyakow 13 November 2022 15: 54
            +5
            Quote: Evil 55
            And who prevents you from installing an additional upper stage on the projectile and forming a package based on KamAZ-63501 no more than 10-12 units .. And it will be very cool, both in terms of mobility and the power of a volley .. hi

            Are you talking about Tosochka? So she already is.
            1. sgrabik
              sgrabik 14 November 2022 10: 54
              +2
              Yes, it is in single copies, but it is necessary that the army be saturated with these new flamethrower systems in the shortest possible time, we have both Armata and the Su-57, but the most important question is the required quantity and the possibility of large-scale production of new weapons, with the pace it will not be possible to supply the army with modern types of weapons, it is urgent to increase production volumes.
          2. Former soldier
            Former soldier 13 November 2022 16: 55
            0
            And who prevents you from installing an additional booster block on the projectile

            Time. Yes, and usefulness too. ... And if you increase and increase more, you will get Sarmat. Each system has its own purpose.
            1. zenion
              zenion 13 November 2022 17: 38
              -7
              In general, if anyone watched American films, then there is a shell in a shell, a bullet in a bullet and an arrow in an arrow, and why. They have a homing device in there. Something like glasses, or maybe something from such that it flies by the smell. Bring the arrow, write what should hit. You can even let yourself in the rear, but it immediately understands that this is not what is unfolding. The main thing here is not to drink anything foreign, so as not to confuse. It sniffs and, as if it hits the brains, immediately arms and legs to the side. This was written about during the war - a dark night, one bullet got stuck in the wires, and the second all night until the morning, chasing a soldier. If you're not there, I'll figure it out, stand the way I want.
              1. Nyrobsky
                Nyrobsky 13 November 2022 18: 46
                +6
                Quote: zenion
                In general, if anyone watched American films, then there is a shell in a shell, a bullet in a bullet and an arrow in an arrow, and why. They have a homing device in there. Something like glasses, or maybe something from such that it flies by the smell. Bring the arrow, write what should hit. You can even let yourself in the rear, but it immediately understands that this is not what is unfolding. It sniffs and, as if it hits the brains, immediately arms and legs to the side. This was written about during the war - a dark night, one bullet got stuck in the wires, and the second all night until the morning, chasing a soldier. If you're not there, I'll figure it out, stand the way I want. The main thing here is not to drink anything foreign, so as not to confuse.
                belay It seems that you could not resist and still drank what
          3. TiRex
            TiRex 14 November 2022 19: 02
            0
            Booking interferes (or rather, its absence on KAMAZ compared to TOS 1) and cross-country ability (caterpillars in this regard allow much more). after all, it turned out to be a front-line car. on the front end on a KAMAZ, this is cool, where can you recruit so many suicide bombers trained in the crew?
      2. Stakan
        Stakan 13 November 2022 13: 21
        +6
        Quote: Shurik70
        And increase the accuracy to hell?
        The sunbath is a weapon of work in areas.
        Unless when there is an incomplete salvo, two or three missiles are launched. There yes. Accuracy becomes important.

        I’m not a specialist Alexander, but I know for sure that the range is too small, and this was their vulnerability to adjust as close to the target as possible .. The risk was great. trench Hell is shorter for manpower, etc. !
        1. poquello
          poquello 13 November 2022 13: 48
          +7
          Quote: Stakan
          I’m not a specialist Alexander, but I know for sure that the range is too small, and this was their vulnerability to adjust as close to the target as possible ..

          I would have provided for the possibility of attaching a camouflage platform wide for the entire dimension from above, probably nets so that the windage does not affect, such a mound rides
        2. Former soldier
          Former soldier 13 November 2022 19: 00
          +2
          the range is not enough, I know for sure, and in this their vulnerability was adjusted as close to the target as possible

          Yes. At present, 6 km is not enough. Dangerous thing. And not just for the enemy.
      3. Thrifty
        Thrifty 13 November 2022 13: 44
        -5
        Where does she have dynamic protection, screens, gratings, bulwarks? The crew is sitting there, when will they think about their protection and safety ???
        1. novel66
          novel66 13 November 2022 13: 56
          +2
          Yes, and the guides need to be booked thicker
          1. Piramidon
            Piramidon 13 November 2022 16: 55
            +5
            Quote: novel xnumx
            Yes, and the guides need to be booked thicker

            Guys, if all your "ratsuhi" are collected here and embodied in metal, then the monster will turn out to be under 70 tons winked
            1. novel66
              novel66 13 November 2022 16: 57
              +2
              It hurts to work close to the front line, it will fly only like that
          2. Evgeny Ivanov_5
            Evgeny Ivanov_5 14 November 2022 10: 32
            +1
            Yeah. And also MANPADS and a 30 mm cannon for self-defense and a compartment for a guard detachment like on the Merkava. And they forgot the UAV. And so that it was not knocked out of the tank.
        2. Stakan
          Stakan 13 November 2022 14: 23
          +4
          Quote: Thrifty
          Where does she have dynamic protection, screens, gratings, bulwarks? The crew is sitting there, when will they think about their protection and safety ???

          I have already transferred your claims to the military-industrial complex, they will contact you soon laughing Wait for a call bully
        3. Comandor777
          Comandor777 13 November 2022 14: 54
          -8
          Unfortunately, our government thought that people were ready, as before, for the idea, with one rifle for two. But it turned out not. There are no fools.
          1. topol717
            topol717 13 November 2022 15: 24
            +7
            Quote: Comandor777
            Unfortunately, our government thought that people were ready, as before, for the idea, with one rifle for two. But it turned out not. There are no fools.

            You are mistaken, there is no idea. Well, or it is poorly voiced, and reported. Well, people also cannot understand why this NWO does not use all the power of our country, from the complete blocking of the transit of GAZ and other mechanisms for replenishing the budget of Ukraine, and the complete destruction of energy and transport infrastructure. And what is happening now, it is expressed in the words - A little bit pregnant. And the result is the same.
        4. Former soldier
          Former soldier 13 November 2022 19: 03
          +2
          the range is not enough, I know for sure, and in this their vulnerability was adjusted as close to the target as possible

          All this beauty does not help if the battery falls under a longer range MLRS.
      4. IVZ
        IVZ 13 November 2022 13: 47
        +4
        And increase the accuracy to hell?
        The area affected by a volley at a range of 15 km should be approximately the same as now at 6 km, i.e. the pile should be improved by about half.
      5. biznaw
        biznaw 13 November 2022 23: 45
        +4
        Judging by the commercials of the work of the Solntsepeks, they rarely shoot with packets. Mostly three four rarely ten. If accuracy and accuracy are increased for a platoon fortification, one shot is enough. Ammunition must be saved.
        1. Warlord
          Warlord 14 November 2022 04: 08
          0
          Yes, it's not just about saving. It's just that if you shoot the entire package, there won't be enough time to leave the position. And 6 km, even a 120 mm mortar will get it. I'm not talking about 152 and 155 mm, which are full in Ukraine. In general, I believe that instead of MLRS, a super-heavy tank with fundamentally new weapons is needed. To keep the damage from ATGMs, and make it so tenacious. And instead of a 125 mm smoothbore, install a 220 mm mortar that can fire these ammunition and armor protection will be prohibitive for him. In conditions when the terrain is bare, there is nowhere to hide. Additional protection will not be superfluous, even at the expense of speed. And for clearing it will have a trawl and a classic high-explosive jet flamethrower for cleaning concrete fortifications. Give napalm to the Nazis!
          1. Evgeny Ivanov_5
            Evgeny Ivanov_5 14 November 2022 10: 40
            0
            And instead of an engine, a nuclear reactor is on it and so that ship torpedoes are thrown for 20 km from the package. And you also need to put a package of UAV Geranium-2 on it. And as a platform to reanimate the German Mouse. And don't forget the airborne squad.
            1. Two
              Two 14 November 2022 13: 49
              +3
              hi Aha! Under the DShR and the escort platoon ... drinks
              Well, build a field kitchen with a bathhouse ... good
              1. Evgeny Ivanov_5
                Evgeny Ivanov_5 14 November 2022 18: 39
                +2
                Yeah. And I did not understand who is minus. Here, from the very beginning of the CBO, such proposals have been coming - you will download. Straight into the history of tank building. I put it all together - the car turned out to be 200 tons. But everyone likes it. And here are the cons. Where is the truth???
          2. TiRex
            TiRex 14 November 2022 19: 06
            +1
            New mouse??? The fate will be similar, roads and bridges are not kept, they cannot move out onto the ground. weight limit is not just invented.
      6. Zaurbek
        Zaurbek 14 November 2022 11: 10
        +1
        Accuracy - range ..... if you can hit the opornik at 10 km, why go up to 5? And this, in turn, makes it easier to put on the chassis ....
      7. Genry
        Genry 14 November 2022 12: 24
        0
        Quote: Shurik70
        The sunbath is a weapon of work in areas.

        And it is necessary "on the purposes".
        These are short-range missiles and can be oriented from a pair of mobile coordinate reference points (without satellites). Which is quite simple and significantly reduces consumption.
        Sufficient quantities of such missiles. easier to deliver and store. And mass production will equalize prices with existing blanks.
      8. matsur
        matsur 15 November 2022 18: 58
        0
        Quote: Shurik70
        And increase the accuracy to hell?
        The sunbath is a weapon of work in areas.
        Unless when there is an incomplete salvo, two or three missiles are launched. There yes. Accuracy becomes important.

        Accuracy ... So there is no desire to create high-precision weapons.
        1. We need more projectiles for area work. For a larger number of shells, more storage areas in the zone of application are needed (and this is a tasty target for enemy artillery).
        2. For effectiveness, you need to thoroughly walk through the areas, which is difficult in the face of enemy artillery opposition. Shot - change position. He shot, loaded, and ... you might not have time to shoot again. The enemy has smart ammo. They figured out where it came from, pressed the button and forgot. The GOS program will work itself.
        3. A larger number of BCs need to be produced in time. It can be loaded and fired quickly. And it takes time to make. And it takes time to deliver. And logistics nodes are also a tasty target for enemy artillery. And ammunition is needed now. And if to hit a target you need to launch more than one missile, but 10-20, then you have to. wait. But the enemy is dishonest - he does not want to wait.
        In short, the only way out is either to increase the number of factories producing BC and work in five shifts. In order to fill up the front with an excess of BC, not shunning losses during delivery.
        Or turn on your head and work for the future - GOS in each missile. Turn on on approach to the target. There are already 24 of them in TOS. I released everything and forgot, you can change the position. You can simply insert a glonass block and set the area combat mode, specify the size of the matrix, and then each missile will fly to its own coordinate point. You can seeker with a thermal imager - look for heat sources ignoring the explosions of previous strikes (target analysis unit). Equipment on the march, crowds of people - a guaranteed cover. It is possible as in lancets - guidance on video. No bridge or pantone can withstand such precise blows.
        In general, the truth is in the middle - we need to increase the production of what we know how to do, but also to develop something new. No other way. Bow and arrows are great, but then came the crossbow, then the firearm.
    2. Pytnik
      Pytnik 13 November 2022 13: 23
      -1
      Mikhanchik, the chuyka is letting you down, are you in the topics for Kherson, where did you snoop around?
      1. Stakan
        Stakan 13 November 2022 14: 25
        0
        Quote: Pytnik
        Mikhanchik, the chuyka is letting you down, are you in the topics for Kherson, where did you snoop around?

        Yes, the informers banned me until I broke through, etc. Shoot right here hehe
        And he wrote about Kherson like .. It's a shame all this But it's solvable, I think so hi
        1. lis-ik
          lis-ik 13 November 2022 14: 41
          +1
          Quote: Stakan
          And he wrote about Kherson like .. It's a shame all this But it's solvable, I think so

          Come on. Yesterday I waved my saber with might and main.
      2. lis-ik
        lis-ik 13 November 2022 14: 41
        +1
        Quote: Pytnik
        Mikhanchik, the chuyka is letting you down, are you in the topics for Kherson, where did you snoop around?

        Yesterday he was Wagner. Today, he has not yet understood or not? It seems the style is similar, but it seems to have become more meaningful.
        1. Stakan
          Stakan 13 November 2022 14: 49
          -8
          Quote: lis-ik
          Quote: Pytnik
          Mikhanchik, the chuyka is letting you down, are you in the topics for Kherson, where did you snoop around?

          Yesterday he was Wagner. Today, he has not yet understood or not? It seems the style is similar, but it seems to have become more meaningful.

          Well knock, Vadim in On lain hehe
          I don’t feel sorry for this nickname .. So I picked it up from the archive wassat

          So we live, chew bread, I'll be back again
          And the nickname VAGNER was pitifully soaked And especially gansalesa He wrote normally. Well, okay, not the first time. Let's start from the beginning, as always.
          1. YOUR
            YOUR 13 November 2022 16: 24
            +4
            Weakly ataman flanks. It feels like it's good under the stopar.
            1. Stakan
              Stakan 13 November 2022 16: 40
              -9
              Quote: YOUR
              Weakly ataman flanks. It feels like it's good under the stopar.

              Well, yes, you should vulgarize everything .. hi
              Have you tried it yourself? Or I got nunchucks on my head ha ha
              1. YOUR
                YOUR 13 November 2022 16: 45
                +1
                Quote: Stakan
                Well, yes, you should vulgarize everything ..

                Where did you get it from.
                1. Stakan
                  Stakan 13 November 2022 17: 34
                  -6
                  Quote: YOUR
                  Quote: Stakan
                  Well, yes, you should vulgarize everything ..

                  Where did you get it from.

                  Yes, that's an observation. wink
                  1. YOUR
                    YOUR 14 November 2022 03: 25
                    +1
                    Ofiget he can not only memorize but also observe. Urgently to the NWO zone, such a frame disappears. Observant, with a phenomenal memory, the truth is a coward.
              2. YOUR
                YOUR 13 November 2022 16: 48
                +4
                Quote: Stakan
                Have you tried it yourself? Or I got nunchucks on my head ha ha

                And you, my friend, turn out to be a boor. If so cool, show your dashing there ...
                1. Stakan
                  Stakan 13 November 2022 17: 12
                  -4
                  Quote: YOUR
                  Quote: Stakan
                  Have you tried it yourself? Or I got nunchucks on my head ha ha

                  And you, my friend, turn out to be a boor. If so cool, show your dashing there ...

                  Well, due to rudeness, I had a lot of warnings, thanks to people like you hehe .. A little offended, immediately rude and complaints I remember I remember everyone bully
                  Quote: YOUR
                  If so cool, show your dashing there ...

                  Well, there, it’s not for you to report, etc. A lot of honor hehe
                  1. YOUR
                    YOUR 13 November 2022 17: 16
                    +2
                    Quote: Stakan
                    Well, there, it’s not for you to report, etc. A lot of honor hehe

                    It's clear. Scared.
                    Quote: Stakan
                    Well, due to rudeness, I had a lot of warnings, thanks to people like you hehe .. A little offended, immediately rude and complaints I remember I remember everyone

                    Did you try not to be rude? Maybe it would not have been necessary to remember everyone, the Moscow City Council took its own with something else
                    1. Stakan
                      Stakan 13 November 2022 18: 12
                      -4
                      Quote: YOUR
                      Did you try not to be rude?

                      Tried, still knocking hehe laughing
                      So I’ll be the way I am and I won’t lick the Banshees .. And bans bans bans ..
                      And I'm such a hooligan .. wassat

                      Although I want to calmly write and argue .. Like in the good old days of 2012-13
                      1. YOUR
                        YOUR 14 November 2022 03: 19
                        0
                        Quote: Stakan
                        ..and bans bans bans ..
                        And I'm such a hooligan ..

                        Maybe just a stupid and ill-mannered person. Which one fine moment forever. Especially if you flaunt it.
                      2. Stakan
                        Stakan 14 November 2022 18: 28
                        0
                        Quote: YOUR
                        Quote: Stakan
                        ..and bans bans bans ..
                        And I'm such a hooligan ..

                        Maybe just a stupid and ill-mannered person. Which one fine moment forever. Especially if you flaunt it.

                        I don’t flaunt, I just sometimes write with humor, but people like you have already been nasty here and more than once .. I write frankly with you, but here insult after insult .. So don’t complain later ..
                        I saw a lot of such bores here .. So actually, I didn’t start talking to you here, but you immediately settled in a crowd ..
              3. TiRex
                TiRex 14 November 2022 19: 12
                0
                I saw how the guys from China played with their doubles, there they periodically reminded me of a propeller, I thought it didn’t happen.
            2. biznaw
              biznaw 13 November 2022 23: 54
              +1
              Spins normally. Have you tried it yourself? Joints should be in good shape and coordination. Here the man is over 60 and turns normally. He is not an artist in a circus or on stage. By the way, there are a lot of unfamiliar flanking elements, obviously not circus elements, probably old military elements. I will save the video.
              1. Stakan
                Stakan 14 November 2022 18: 33
                0
                Quote: biznaw
                Spins normally. Have you tried it yourself? Joints should be in good shape and coordination. Here the man is over 60 and turns normally. He is not an artist in a circus or on stage. By the way, there are a lot of unfamiliar flanking elements, obviously not circus elements, probably old military elements. I will save the video.

                That's right, and the Cossack feels that all this is difficult for him, all the same years ...
        2. Piramidon
          Piramidon 13 November 2022 16: 49
          +3
          Quote: lis-ik
          Today, he did not understand yet or did not he? It seems the style is similar, but it seems to have become more meaningful

          It was he who had not yet mastered the new nickname and was not untwisted in full force. lol
          1. Stakan
            Stakan 13 November 2022 17: 17
            -2
            Quote: Piramidon
            Quote: lis-ik
            Today, he did not understand yet or did not he? It seems the style is similar, but it seems to have become more meaningful

            It was he who had not yet mastered the new nickname and was not untwisted in full force. lol

            Tomorrow there will be a ban!!! And OH is OH hehe

            Such things are men in the Urals
  2. andrewvlg
    andrewvlg 13 November 2022 13: 10
    +8
    You can announce anything, especially since, as far as I understand, there are no fundamental engineering problems with increasing the range to 15 km. The question is when will it be done?
    1. Murmur 55
      Murmur 55 13 November 2022 13: 21
      +2
      andrewvlg hi, I think that in the near future we will see what it was, an announcement or development.
      1. dmi.pris
        dmi.pris 13 November 2022 13: 56
        +5
        Work is underway to increase the range, if I'm not mistaken since last year. There is one minus there. The weight of the charge of the mixture will be reduced.
        1. Expert
          Expert 16 November 2022 00: 44
          0
          And why not put rockets from the Hurricane there? The caliber is the same, 220 mm, but the characteristics are more cheerful.
    2. novel66
      novel66 13 November 2022 14: 02
      0
      So that at the same time the accuracy and power of warheads remain at the level - it’s not so easy
    3. YOUR
      YOUR 13 November 2022 16: 29
      +4
      There are not many things. For example, there is no information at all about the use of TOS-2, about the use of BMPT.
  3. Boa kaa
    Boa kaa 13 November 2022 13: 13
    +17
    A much needed system. Especially when smoking out an enemy who has settled into the defense. It is unfortunate that it was not used during the capture of Azoavstal. There would be something to analyze, and Ukronazis vacationing in Turkey would have drastically decreased.
    1. Stakan
      Stakan 13 November 2022 13: 25
      -10
      Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
      A much needed system.

      Even more !
      Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
      It is unfortunate that it was not used during the capture of Azoavstal.

      They were still sitting in Soviet bunkers, where even nuclear weapons would be difficult to cause serious damage.
      Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
      There would be something to analyze, and Ukronazis vacationing in Turkey would have drastically decreased.

      It’s like a knife to the heart, now they don’t take prisoners like that anymore angry
      1. Thrifty
        Thrifty 13 November 2022 13: 42
        +4
        Glass-Vitalik, how many accounts do you have on the site?
        1. Stakan
          Stakan 13 November 2022 13: 47
          -3
          Quote: Thrifty
          Glass-Vitalik, how many accounts do you have on the site?

          What annoys you so much? I am writing exactly without touching anyone ..
          Or are you used to knocking?
          PS The archive has raised its own, let it be wetted to the end (by the way, the admins work well)))), thanks to people like you hi
          I always write from one account until they knock .. Then everything from the beginning and so for 7 years since 2015 (stae 10 years every day here in fact))) .. I just became old to prove something to someone and whine .
          What are my friends wink I write and will write and the devil is not my brother
          And the nickname is cool, back then, they unbanned to see hehe
          1. poquello
            poquello 13 November 2022 13: 59
            0
            Quote: Stakan
            I'm going to write here for anyone just stuck

            well right
            1. Stakan
              Stakan 13 November 2022 14: 29
              -2
              Quote: poquello
              Quote: Stakan
              I'm going to write here for anyone just stuck

              well right

              It would be right if it weren’t encrypted .. They calculate it once and the shot is accurate .. You crawl away and change the position again .. The hunt is here for me "Calculate Mikhan" and it will be credited to you hehe I'm not angry at such, let them knock soldier
              1. lis-ik
                lis-ik 13 November 2022 14: 46
                +1
                Quote: Stakan
                Quote: poquello
                Quote: Stakan
                I'm going to write here for anyone just stuck

                well right

                It would be right if it weren’t encrypted .. They calculate it once and the shot is accurate .. You crawl away and change the position again .. The hunt is here for me "Calculate Mikhan" and it will be credited to you hehe I'm not angry at such, let them knock soldier

                Mihan, I don’t knock, but I calculate from two, and sometimes from one comment, but I know for sure that you always sculpt me a minus.
                1. Stakan
                  Stakan 13 November 2022 15: 09
                  -3
                  Quote: lis-ik
                  Meehan, I don’t knock, but I calculate from two, and sometimes from one comment, but I know for sure

                  It's definitely an infection you are Sergey laughing
                  You constantly burn the office .. wink
                  Quote: lis-ik
                  you always sculpt me a minus. + you for tactics, you are thoughtful of ours.

                  Well, not always, but for this it happens from resentment that again you will have to change your position, as now ..
                  Do you want me to give you pluses as my opponent? I can if I want .. But you don't need them and it will only get worse.
                  You don’t need to figure me out, I just want to be on the site here, it doesn’t matter if I write well or badly
                  But I am who I am and I won’t be different, as long as my heart beats intermittently.
                  God is your judge and others. hi
                  1. lis-ik
                    lis-ik 13 November 2022 15: 10
                    +2
                    Quote: Stakan
                    You don’t need to figure me out, I just want to be on the site here, it doesn’t matter if I write well or badly

                    Yes, for God's sake, without you, the site is not a site. There is no need for pluses, I have my position and I defend it.
                    1. Stakan
                      Stakan 13 November 2022 15: 25
                      -4
                      Quote: lis-ik
                      Quote: Stakan
                      You don’t need to figure me out, I just want to be on the site here, it doesn’t matter if I write well or badly

                      Yes, for God's sake, without you, the site is not a site. There is no need for pluses, I have my position and I defend it.

                      Thank you for this .. Straight balm to the heart! hi
                      And you will get a raise, but a little later .. This is already a holy promise .. Vadim left again, see tomorrow in the morning he will start how he loves to send to the bathhouse in the morning)))
                      Well, see you Seryoga! I’ll write a little more on topics, otherwise the flood has already begun lol
          2. novel66
            novel66 13 November 2022 14: 11
            +2
            You have to be yourself, that's right!
            Reminded Kerzhakov
            "I beat, I beat and I will beat"
            1. Stakan
              Stakan 13 November 2022 14: 32
              -2
              Quote: novel xnumx
              You have to be yourself, that's right!
              Reminded Kerzhakov
              "I beat, I beat and I will beat"

              Thank you, and I try to act But with you, I Roman swore here more than once wink
              1. novel66
                novel66 13 November 2022 15: 02
                +2
                I know, so what? Opinions may vary
                1. Stakan
                  Stakan 13 November 2022 15: 53
                  -2
                  Quote: novel xnumx
                  I know, so what? Opinions may vary

                  I agree, but it is very difficult to defend them when they poison you wink
                  1. novel66
                    novel66 13 November 2022 17: 00
                    +1
                    Uh, my friend, Cyrano de Bergerac came out one against 100 and won
                    1. Stakan
                      Stakan 13 November 2022 17: 06
                      -2
                      Quote: novel xnumx
                      Uh, my friend, Cyrano de Bergerac came out one against 100 and won

                      Look, even how, and who is your Serano?
                      1. novel66
                        novel66 13 November 2022 17: 45
                        +1
                        this is such a Frenchman - he became famous as the most big-nosed man of his time, which often gave rise to duels and the breter was superb, well, as usual, a poet and a hero-lover are included in the kit.
                        "Shooting, taverns, skirmishes, swords, horses ..." -
                        This is how they will tell in three hundred years
                        About our life windy and rough.
                        But who will tell in future centuries
                        About how captivating lips
                        Breters died on the blades?



                        he's wearing a hat, if that
                      2. Stakan
                        Stakan 13 November 2022 18: 02
                        0
                        Quote: novel xnumx
                        this is such a Frenchman - he became famous as the most big-nosed man of his time, which often gave rise to duels and the breter was superb, well, as usual, a poet and a hero-lover are included in the kit.
                        "Shooting, taverns, skirmishes, swords, horses ..." -
                        This is how they will tell in three hundred years
                        About our life windy and rough.
                        But who will tell in future centuries
                        About how captivating lips
                        Breters died on the blades?



                        he's wearing a hat, if that

                        Handsomely !!! hi But I don't like nosy
    2. dmi.pris
      dmi.pris 13 November 2022 13: 58
      +2
      They used it there. It’s just that people think it’s SUCH A TOOL! Well, it burns everything around them deep down!
    3. biznaw
      biznaw 14 November 2022 00: 07
      0
      There were proposals to fill the ventilation with fuel, but they could not find the mines, Bandera disguised them as tanks and columns. According to the recollections of the Ukrainians themselves, they were very "exhausted" in the catacombs of the plant bombed by Fabami 500 and 1000. After each explosion, fine dust hung in the premises, which did not settle for a long time. According to them, this was the main reason that led them to decide to surrender.
  4. km-21
    km-21 13 November 2022 13: 16
    +2
    Range and accuracy are mutually conflicting characteristics of weapons. Starting from certain limits, further improvement of these characteristics is possible only with the help of controlled high-precision correction of the projectile flight. And in such matters, not only high-tech ammunition is needed, but also a global network-centric system of reconnaissance, communications and target designation, which includes ground, air (manned and unmanned), and space high-tech means of support.
    That is, there is a lot of work to be done.
    Maybe it would be easier to gasp?
  5. Murmur 55
    Murmur 55 13 November 2022 13: 18
    +2
    Here, you also need to take care of the issue of protection against anti-tank systems, all the same, the machines often work in the first line, and there the Ukrainians have no problems with these types of weapons.
    1. Nexcom
      Nexcom 13 November 2022 13: 46
      +3
      there the principle is simple - they quickly drove up, shot back and immediately dumped until they covered it. no one on such devices rides in front of the enemy on the front line. and no one reloads right in front of the enemy.
  6. Nexcom
    Nexcom 13 November 2022 13: 19
    +2
    if only I could take 80 kilometers in range - it would be good Now 15 km range means getting 100% under enemy counter-battery fire. Even not very advanced enemy artillery will master 15 km in response.

    Just imagine that our such system could burn the enemy, working from our rear, being inaccessible to the enemy’s counter-battery fire. from this thing would be....
    1. Lykases1
      Lykases1 13 November 2022 13: 29
      +8
      So the tornado seems to have thermobaric charges.
    2. prodi
      prodi 13 November 2022 13: 33
      +3
      so there is a dilemma: either we increase the range, or the charge power - or both together but with an increase in the diameter and length of the missiles
      1. Nexcom
        Nexcom 13 November 2022 13: 41
        0
        or we do Ivan-dolbay (over-caliber) while lowering the range but increasing the broads to the enemy.
        and hoping that after the strike, no one there will be able to respond with a counter-battery ...
        everything was already there.
        1. prodi
          prodi 13 November 2022 13: 54
          -2
          I would rather bet on chemistry ... maybe it makes sense to carry oxygen as part of a volumetric detonating charge (in a separate container?)
          1. Genry
            Genry 14 November 2022 12: 41
            0
            Quote: prodi
            maybe it makes sense to carry oxygen as part of a volumetric detonating charge (in a separate container?)

            You don't have Mars here.
            Isn't it clear that oxygen is used from the "volume" where the war material is sprayed.
    3. poquello
      poquello 13 November 2022 13: 56
      -6
      Quote: Nexcom
      if only I could take 80 kilometers in range - it would be good Now 15 km range means getting 100% under enemy counter-battery fire. Even not very advanced enemy artillery will master 15 km in response.

      Just imagine that our such system could burn the enemy, working from our rear, being inaccessible to the enemy’s counter-battery fire. from this thing would be....

      maybe try to stick caterpillars to a tornado, but that's why))))))))))))))
  7. Fedor Sokolov
    Fedor Sokolov 13 November 2022 14: 07
    0
    And there are real indicators of the effectiveness of the use of TOSOCHKI in NWO. I would just like to know both the opinion of the opposing side and our armed forces.
    1. dmi.pris
      dmi.pris 13 November 2022 15: 05
      0
      "Tosochka" and "TOS1A" systems are different. There was a tosochka at the parades, but in practice? I think they use it.
  8. Sergey3
    Sergey3 13 November 2022 14: 11
    +2
    The author, maybe boastful relations like "covers an area of ​​​​up to 40 thousand square meters with one salvo" will suffice. After such a volley, the enemy’s manpower remains alive and combat-ready !!!!! If this were the case, then our troops would not have been trampling around for 8 months in the suburbs of Donetsk, but would now be in the suburbs of Paris. The effectiveness of salvo fire systems is trampling around zero! Whatever video you watch on Telegram about good hits on the equipment of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, all the fields around are pierced with thousands of craters. What's the point of stuffing the fields with fragments?
  9. Incvizitor
    Incvizitor 13 November 2022 14: 11
    0
    Where did they put the toss? As I understand it, the range and accuracy is about her, but in general, I wrote for a long time to make missiles longer, the package itself is a long base more like BAZ.
    1. Floke
      Floke 13 November 2022 15: 00
      +1
      Quote: Incvizitor
      Where did they put the toss? As I understand it, the range and accuracy is about her, but in general, I wrote for a long time to make missiles longer, the package itself is a long base more like BAZ.

      During the development of TOS, there were options with a large missile size, they settled on the current version for a reason.
  10. Altmann
    Altmann 13 November 2022 14: 29
    -1
    I have seen the documentary as well as the flamethrower in action (photos), it is a powerful and scary weapon and if the soldiers upgrade it Ukrainians can count on being fried in flames. am
    1. dmi.pris
      dmi.pris 13 November 2022 15: 07
      0
      It is not soldiers who modernize, but designers and production workers. However, modernization is necessary. This is our Katyusha in 1941 ...
  11. Nikolaevich I
    Nikolaevich I 13 November 2022 14: 39
    +1
    After the development of "6-km ... x" RSs, there was a conversation that the next stage was the development of RSs with a range of up to 8-10 km! (For example, for "Tosochka"!) ... And suddenly, immediately up to 15 km! It is possible that the new "tosovye" RSs are simply "closer" to the Uragan MLRS RSs! And this is due, perhaps, to the fact that "Hurricanes" "according to plan" should soon "go into oblivion" and 220 mm should remain only for TOS! But the increase in the length of the RSs is limited by the length of the guides of the TOS ... Creating a more powerful solid propellant rocket engine is problematic, because here the "breakthroughs" in solid fuel are still completed, but nothing is heard about the quasi-LPRE on gel-like fuel! ... Reduced in terms of "weight and dimensions" warhead? But subject to the preservation of power, success is needed in creating a new type of "thermobar"! In general, clarifications will appear when the full data are "published" in the "open press"!
  12. Voronezh
    Voronezh 13 November 2022 14: 45
    +1
    [/ quote] work in progress [quote]

    From work being carried out to appearing on the front line, we usually have years pass ....
  13. Sergio63
    Sergio63 13 November 2022 14: 48
    0
    Yes, I agree that the range needs to be increased! 15 km is already good, but 35 km in general will be a fairy tale, at least the Grad will not get it !!? And the system is cool, it should cause HORROR and PANIC and mass surrender in the captivity of Banderlogs at the mere news that TOS is approaching the front line !!! It is necessary to carry out the mass destruction of EVERYTHING and EVERYTHING in some area, like on Damansky in 1968 ... so that they go crazy !!!
    1. Nikolaevich I
      Nikolaevich I 13 November 2022 15: 33
      0
      Quote: Sergio63
      range needs to be increased. 15 km is already good, but 35 in general will be a fairy tale

      Yes, easily! It's called Hurricane! wink
      1. Sergey3
        Sergey3 13 November 2022 18: 41
        0
        Your hurricanes even have nowhere to repair. Motovilikha plants bankrupt.
    2. Warlord
      Warlord 14 November 2022 04: 25
      +1
      Have you read here an article about self-propelled guns D-80 535 mm firing large active-rocket projectiles at 50-70 km? There was such a caliber of drin, compare it with Karl Gerat 41. There, the truth is, the barrel was bored out to 540 mm, well, and a close analogue of the 520 mm Schneider howitzer.
      True, the project was rejected, due to the lobbying of the maize rocket industry. But even such a projectile had a minus, the KVO was about a couple of kilometers. But in the conditions of the present time, it is fixable. In addition, you would not have to buy missiles from Iran, this is because of the prices of the Iskanders themselves. The cost of such a projectile is 6-7 times lower, the range is like that of the Hymars. And if you start this fool in a good way with napalm or turn ODAB. It will be hell for all living things.
  14. barclay
    barclay 13 November 2022 14: 50
    0
    The upgraded vehicles receive modern digital communications, as well as equipment for a closed data transmission segment, which will allow them to be integrated into automatic control systems (ACS) of the tactical level.
    Strange, it hasn't been done yet? When will we have a 21st century army?
    It was necessary to stay a little in the conditions of war in order to understand that there are NOT MODERN communications facilities there!
  15. lopvlad
    lopvlad 13 November 2022 15: 16
    0
    In addition, for TOS-1 and TOS-1A it was planned to adapt long-range ammunition from TOS-2 (Tosochki), thereby increasing the range of TOS to 15 km instead of the currently available 6 km.


    in 9 months of fighting, they could already adapt ammunition from TOS-2 to TOS-1, TOS-1A, increasing only, for example, one range and tightening the accuracy later. minimal losses. It is necessary to constantly improve and modernize our effective weapons.
  16. nickname7
    nickname7 13 November 2022 15: 26
    +2
    Некоторые пишут надо мощности больше, но в солнцепёк больше не получится разве что можно катапульты делать которыми можно ФАБ кидать.

  17. iouris
    iouris 13 November 2022 16: 54
    0
    This is all right and wonderful, but AWACS and satellites must be neutralized. And the bosses will not have time to set up their own.
  18. Losyara
    Losyara 13 November 2022 17: 12
    +1
    It is high time. Guys, when will you finally start communicating and transmitting information?! This is a real pain point!
  19. ForWar34
    ForWar34 13 November 2022 17: 31
    -1
    This is a system for finishing off survivors when there is already superiority on the battlefield, but a large number of powerful fortifications remain. In more or less equal conditions, artillery and drones will be knocked out on the way. In general, judging by the course of the NMD, we do not see any particularly powerful fortifications, everything is done in haste, and it is possible to hollow out trenches and dugouts with artillery and drones with less risk and energy costs. Maybe it would make sense for her to demolish bridges, dams, warehouses, power plants during an unexpected retreat, when she failed to blow up the sappers, and on the other hand, the enemy still does not control movement on the ground so much. For such a tactical use, the Solstice can be more effective than artillery
    1. agoran
      agoran 13 November 2022 19: 47
      0
      You are talking nonsense. 2 ZAB will burn out everything that is possible.
      The rocks were on fire.
      1. ForWar34
        ForWar34 13 November 2022 22: 38
        0
        Did an enemy drone aim artillery over the range? Obviously not.
        And in real combat conditions, the stones will also burn, but under the installation itself and as a result of its defeat. Of course, the future in a certain sense belongs to thermobaric ammunition, but the carrier must be either small and, accordingly, inconspicuous, such as the Bumblebee flamethrower, or large, but accurately striking for tens of kilometers, such as Tornado, and something in between, like Solntsepeka, this is either a finishing weapon a fortified area from a relatively close distance, but with the threat of getting a javelin on board, so it’s probably better to do it with armored tanks with the appropriate ammunition, or a scorched earth tactic weapon on your territory, when you need to quickly destroy any important infrastructure facility in the face of an unexpectedly advancing enemy from an ambush, that is, when the enemy cannot detect the installation on the march.
  20. Sergeant_Soviet_Army
    Sergeant_Soviet_Army 13 November 2022 19: 28
    0
    It is necessary to make the Kh-32 rocket, as in the "Solntsepeka", thermobaric, then it will immediately cover all enemies, moreover, several hundred kilometers away.
  21. agoran
    agoran 13 November 2022 19: 44
    +1
    Today at breakfast I watched "Military Acceptance", there was a topic about modernization, reinforced armor, protection and increased range up to 30 km.
    I was surprised, I watched the video on the Star, they already rubbed it.
    If increased to 30 km, the Sumerians can immediately hang themselves.
    1. tvgpvo
      tvgpvo 13 November 2022 20: 14
      0
      I think so they will increase the energy of the propulsion engine of the projectile.
  22. Sapsap
    Sapsap 13 November 2022 20: 19
    0
    You need to change the installation base. A possible option is PTS-2, it is armored and has a good capacity.
  23. Oleg Yurievich Krivoshein
    Oleg Yurievich Krivoshein 13 November 2022 21: 18
    0
    Quote: SKVichyakow
    Are you talking about Tosochka? So she already is.

    Only today on Zvezda there was a program on this topic, but only the chief engineer himself said there is Tosochka, but still in work.
  24. USSR_
    USSR_ 13 November 2022 22: 30
    +2
    Before the NVO, someone assured the Russians that there would never be full-scale armed conflicts again.
    Therefore, it is enough for Russia to have a compact, well-trained Army ...
    Would this someone be sent for mobilization "for a ribbon", so that he would no longer croak about Roman law, or about the fact that he would buy everything necessary for the Army abroad?
  25. cash
    cash 14 November 2022 06: 17
    0
    the sun would have a range of 80 kilometers ... and all the other RSZOs are no longer needed, a thermobaric explosion is not for you to feel a paralyzed grandmother
  26. Romanenko
    Romanenko 14 November 2022 07: 57
    0
    The main thing is that the updated systems quickly get into the active forces, the burden of certification and paper procedures in a war should be minimized.
    Yes, if only to fasten the brains and eyes from Krasnopol to some of the rockets for TOS, it would have been a pig-nosed skiff.
  27. Fangaro
    Fangaro 14 November 2022 16: 53
    -1
    Increase in range and accuracy. OK.
    To increase the affected area.
    How's that?
    In layman's terms...
    If you need to be farther and more precisely, they brought the barrels together, the shells are heavier, the charges are more powerful.
    If it is necessary to increase the area of ​​\uXNUMXb\uXNUMXbdamage, the trunks were spread out, instead of a bullet, shot, and charges of different capacities.
    Childish, of course. But immediately the range, and the accuracy and area of ​​\uXNUMXb\uXNUMXbdestruction?
  28. Dmitry Smetanin
    Dmitry Smetanin 14 November 2022 17: 55
    0
    More range means less warhead. Actually, it's a thing of the past. Ragouli drive in the trenches only. And then if they were thrown without help. And so, you still need to get closer to 15 km when copters fly on the front end. We need analogues of Hymars, satellite reconnaissance. Enough already hacking on areas with a near-zero result. It is better to correctly attach one package of missiles than to plow the fields of the outskirts from hurricanes and hail. Thousands more shells for them to bring as it is necessary. Turbo Patriots attack angry
    1. Expert
      Expert 16 November 2022 20: 55
      0
      Quote: Dmitry Smetanin
      And so, you still need to get closer to 15 km when copters fly on the front end.

      Or maybe the Tungusok need a sufficient number, and then the copters will not fly there?
      1. Dmitry Smetanin
        Dmitry Smetanin 17 November 2022 12: 11
        -1
        Tunguskas have a missile range of 8 km. They need to be tightly fitted to this TOS. And they will also finish
        1. Expert
          Expert 17 November 2022 14: 59
          0
          Not close, but within a radius of 1 km, and Tunguska may not even stop, shooting on the go! Why would someone other than the enemy suddenly get a kick if the copters are shot down while still on the approach, and there, even without missiles, the firing range is 3-5 km ?!
          1. Dmitry Smetanin
            Dmitry Smetanin 18 November 2022 11: 13
            -1
            It's clear what an expert you are. Within a radius of one kilometer, they will not only be destroyed by artillery, but also by mortars. The Tunguska does not shoot on the move, it's a shell, sir. From cannons, even a hovering drone must be managed to get into, and flying into a drone is already in the realm of fantasy. This has already been proven. In the military reception, they showed it at some window dressing
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  30. Edvid
    Edvid 15 November 2022 00: 21
    0
    It has always been clear that flamethrower ammunition is most effective against armored vehicles and for "smoking out" infantry from any cracks. It is not clear why insufficient attention has been paid to the wider development of such systems. Why is there still, for example, no similar ammunition for launching from helicopters and aircraft? Weird...
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