The heavy flamethrower system TOS-1A "Solntsepyok" is being upgraded taking into account the experience of using it in battles in Ukraine

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The heavy flamethrower system TOS-1A "Solntsepyok" is being upgraded taking into account the experience of using it in battles in Ukraine

The flamethrower system TOS-1A "Solntsepek" will increase the firing range and accuracy, work on the modernization of the system is currently underway. Denis Petrov, Chief Engineer of JSC "Omsktransmash", told about this.

Work on the flamethrower system includes not only an increase in the range and accuracy of fire, the modernization will also affect a number of devices and mechanisms, the decision was made taking into account the participation of the Solntsepekov in hostilities in Ukraine. As Petrov explained, within the framework of the NMD, the tactics of using heavy flamethrower systems, originally developed for support, were changed, TOS in Ukraine is increasingly being used at the forefront.



At the moment, work is underway to increase the firing range, its accuracy, as well as to simplify the process of aiming at the target and completing the task. First of all, it is an increase in the area of ​​\uXNUMXb\uXNUMXbdestruction (...) Initially, the vehicle was designed as a support vehicle, however, experience shows that, as a rule, it is at the forefront

- said the chief engineer of Omsktransmash in the program "Military acceptance" at the shopping mall "Star".

The need to modernize heavy flamethrower systems in the Ministry of Defense was announced last year. They explained this by changing the tasks for TOS and the growing range. The upgraded vehicles receive modern digital communications, as well as equipment for a closed data transmission segment, which will allow them to be integrated into automatic control systems (ACS) of the tactical level. In addition, for TOS-1 and TOS-1A it was planned to adapt long-range ammunition from TOS-2 (Tosochki), thereby increasing the range of TOS to 15 km instead of the currently available 6 km.

To date, TOS-1A "Solntsepek" covers an area of ​​​​up to 40 thousand square meters at a distance of up to 6 km with one salvo.
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    1. +36
      November 13, 2022
      Flamethrower system TOS-1A "Solntsepek" will increase the range and accuracy,

      Oh, how important this is now! Work guys, I smell Ukraine alone, this will not end.
      1. +8
        November 13, 2022
        And increase the accuracy to hell?
        The sunbath is a weapon of work in areas.
        Unless when there is an incomplete salvo, two or three missiles are launched. There yes. Accuracy becomes important.
        1. +20
          November 13, 2022
          Quote: Shurik70
          And increase the accuracy to hell?
          The sunbath is a weapon of work in areas.
          Unless when there is an incomplete salvo, two or three missiles are launched. There yes. Accuracy becomes important.

          Necessary for smoking out of dugouts and similar structures.
          1. +26
            November 13, 2022
            Quote: Shurik70
            And increase the accuracy to hell?
            So after all, the range is doubled, and if the accuracy is left the same, the shells will scatter like a fan, and they need to be collected, at least within the square that was covered earlier (this is if the characteristics of the warhead remained the same)
          2. 0
            November 13, 2022
            And who prevents you from installing an additional upper stage on the projectile and forming a package based on KamAZ-63501 no more than 10-12 units .. And it will be very cool, both in terms of mobility and the power of a volley .. hi
            1. +5
              November 13, 2022
              Quote: Evil 55
              And who prevents you from installing an additional upper stage on the projectile and forming a package based on KamAZ-63501 no more than 10-12 units .. And it will be very cool, both in terms of mobility and the power of a volley .. hi

              Are you talking about Tosochka? So she already is.
              1. +2
                November 14, 2022
                Yes, it is in single copies, but it is necessary that the army be saturated with these new flamethrower systems in the shortest possible time, we have both Armata and the Su-57, but the most important question is the required quantity and the possibility of large-scale production of new weapons, with the pace it will not be possible to supply the army with modern types of weapons, it is urgent to increase production volumes.
            2. 0
              November 13, 2022
              And who prevents you from installing an additional booster block on the projectile

              Time. Yes, and usefulness too. ... And if you increase and increase more, you will get Sarmat. Each system has its own purpose.
              1. -7
                November 13, 2022
                In general, if anyone watched American films, then there is a shell in a shell, a bullet in a bullet and an arrow in an arrow, and why. They have a homing device in there. Something like glasses, or maybe something from such that it flies by the smell. Bring the arrow, write what should hit. You can even let yourself in the rear, but it immediately understands that this is not what is unfolding. The main thing here is not to drink anything foreign, so as not to confuse. It sniffs and, as if it hits the brains, immediately arms and legs to the side. This was written about during the war - a dark night, one bullet got stuck in the wires, and the second all night until the morning, chasing a soldier. If you're not there, I'll figure it out, stand the way I want.
                1. +6
                  November 13, 2022
                  Quote: zenion
                  In general, if anyone watched American films, then there is a shell in a shell, a bullet in a bullet and an arrow in an arrow, and why. They have a homing device in there. Something like glasses, or maybe something from such that it flies by the smell. Bring the arrow, write what should hit. You can even let yourself in the rear, but it immediately understands that this is not what is unfolding. It sniffs and, as if it hits the brains, immediately arms and legs to the side. This was written about during the war - a dark night, one bullet got stuck in the wires, and the second all night until the morning, chasing a soldier. If you're not there, I'll figure it out, stand the way I want. The main thing here is not to drink anything foreign, so as not to confuse.
                  belay It seems that you could not resist and still drank what
            3. 0
              November 14, 2022
              Booking interferes (or rather, its absence on KAMAZ compared to TOS 1) and cross-country ability (caterpillars in this regard allow much more). after all, it turned out to be a front-line car. on the front end on a KAMAZ, this is cool, where can you recruit so many suicide bombers trained in the crew?
        2. +6
          November 13, 2022
          Quote: Shurik70
          And increase the accuracy to hell?
          The sunbath is a weapon of work in areas.
          Unless when there is an incomplete salvo, two or three missiles are launched. There yes. Accuracy becomes important.

          I’m not a specialist Alexander, but I know for sure that the range is too small, and this was their vulnerability to adjust as close to the target as possible .. The risk was great. trench Hell is shorter for manpower, etc. !
          1. +7
            November 13, 2022
            Quote: Stakan
            I’m not a specialist Alexander, but I know for sure that the range is too small, and this was their vulnerability to adjust as close to the target as possible ..

            I would have provided for the possibility of attaching a camouflage platform wide for the entire dimension from above, probably nets so that the windage does not affect, such a mound rides
          2. +2
            November 13, 2022
            the range is not enough, I know for sure, and in this their vulnerability was adjusted as close to the target as possible

            Yes. At present, 6 km is not enough. Dangerous thing. And not just for the enemy.
        3. -5
          November 13, 2022
          Where does she have dynamic protection, screens, gratings, bulwarks? The crew is sitting there, when will they think about their protection and safety ???
          1. +2
            November 13, 2022
            Yes, and the guides need to be booked thicker
            1. +5
              November 13, 2022
              Quote: novel xnumx
              Yes, and the guides need to be booked thicker

              Guys, if all your "ratsuhi" are collected here and embodied in metal, then the monster will turn out to be under 70 tons winked
              1. +2
                November 13, 2022
                It hurts to work close to the front line, it will fly only like that
            2. +1
              November 14, 2022
              Yeah. And also MANPADS and a 30 mm cannon for self-defense and a compartment for a guard detachment like on the Merkava. And they forgot the UAV. And so that it was not knocked out of the tank.
          2. +4
            November 13, 2022
            Quote: Thrifty
            Where does she have dynamic protection, screens, gratings, bulwarks? The crew is sitting there, when will they think about their protection and safety ???

            I have already transferred your claims to the military-industrial complex, they will contact you soon laughing Wait for a call bully
          3. -8
            November 13, 2022
            Unfortunately, our government thought that people were ready, as before, for the idea, with one rifle for two. But it turned out not. There are no fools.
            1. +7
              November 13, 2022
              Quote: Comandor777
              Unfortunately, our government thought that people were ready, as before, for the idea, with one rifle for two. But it turned out not. There are no fools.

              You are mistaken, there is no idea. Well, or it is poorly voiced, and reported. Well, people also cannot understand why this NWO does not use all the power of our country, from the complete blocking of the transit of GAZ and other mechanisms for replenishing the budget of Ukraine, and the complete destruction of energy and transport infrastructure. And what is happening now, it is expressed in the words - A little bit pregnant. And the result is the same.
          4. +2
            November 13, 2022
            the range is not enough, I know for sure, and in this their vulnerability was adjusted as close to the target as possible

            All this beauty does not help if the battery falls under a longer range MLRS.
        4. IVZ
          +4
          November 13, 2022
          And increase the accuracy to hell?
          The area affected by a volley at a range of 15 km should be approximately the same as now at 6 km, i.e. the pile should be improved by about half.
        5. +4
          November 13, 2022
          Judging by the commercials of the work of the Solntsepeks, they rarely shoot with packets. Mostly three four rarely ten. If accuracy and accuracy are increased for a platoon fortification, one shot is enough. Ammunition must be saved.
          1. 0
            November 14, 2022
            Yes, it's not just about saving. It's just that if you shoot the entire package, there won't be enough time to leave the position. And 6 km, even a 120 mm mortar will get it. I'm not talking about 152 and 155 mm, which are full in Ukraine. In general, I believe that instead of MLRS, a super-heavy tank with fundamentally new weapons is needed. To keep the damage from ATGMs, and make it so tenacious. And instead of a 125 mm smoothbore, install a 220 mm mortar that can fire these ammunition and armor protection will be prohibitive for him. In conditions when the terrain is bare, there is nowhere to hide. Additional protection will not be superfluous, even at the expense of speed. And for clearing it will have a trawl and a classic high-explosive jet flamethrower for cleaning concrete fortifications. Give napalm to the Nazis!
            1. 0
              November 14, 2022
              And instead of an engine, a nuclear reactor is on it and so that ship torpedoes are thrown for 20 km from the package. And you also need to put a package of UAV Geranium-2 on it. And as a platform to reanimate the German Mouse. And don't forget the airborne squad.
              1. Two
                +3
                November 14, 2022
                hi Aha! Under the DShR and the escort platoon ... drinks
                Well, build a field kitchen with a bathhouse ... good
                1. +2
                  November 14, 2022
                  Yeah. And I did not understand who is minus. Here, from the very beginning of the CBO, such proposals have been coming - you will download. Straight into the history of tank building. I put it all together - the car turned out to be 200 tons. But everyone likes it. And here are the cons. Where is the truth???
              2. 0
                December 6 2023
                Thank you for not mentioning Ratte)). Basically, so what? Why create new tanks when you can create 4 mega-armored Mouse from 72 T-1 chassis. Even if the speed drops to 35 km, you can get a double package of protection on the sides and roof. And even the Lancet won't take it
            2. +1
              November 14, 2022
              New mouse??? The fate will be similar, roads and bridges are not kept, they cannot move out onto the ground. weight limit is not just invented.
        6. +1
          November 14, 2022
          Accuracy - range ..... if you can hit the opornik at 10 km, why go up to 5? And this, in turn, makes it easier to put on the chassis ....
        7. 0
          November 14, 2022
          Quote: Shurik70
          The sunbath is a weapon of work in areas.

          And it is necessary "on the purposes".
          These are short-range missiles and can be oriented from a pair of mobile coordinate reference points (without satellites). Which is quite simple and significantly reduces consumption.
          Sufficient quantities of such missiles. easier to deliver and store. And mass production will equalize prices with existing blanks.
        8. 0
          November 15, 2022
          Quote: Shurik70
          And increase the accuracy to hell?
          The sunbath is a weapon of work in areas.
          Unless when there is an incomplete salvo, two or three missiles are launched. There yes. Accuracy becomes important.

          Accuracy ... So there is no desire to create high-precision weapons.
          1. We need more projectiles for area work. For a larger number of shells, more storage areas in the zone of application are needed (and this is a tasty target for enemy artillery).
          2. For effectiveness, you need to thoroughly walk through the areas, which is difficult in the face of enemy artillery opposition. Shot - change position. He shot, loaded, and ... you might not have time to shoot again. The enemy has smart ammo. They figured out where it came from, pressed the button and forgot. The GOS program will work itself.
          3. A larger number of BCs need to be produced in time. It can be loaded and fired quickly. And it takes time to make. And it takes time to deliver. And logistics nodes are also a tasty target for enemy artillery. And ammunition is needed now. And if to hit a target you need to launch more than one missile, but 10-20, then you have to. wait. But the enemy is dishonest - he does not want to wait.
          In short, the only way out is either to increase the number of factories producing BC and work in five shifts. In order to fill up the front with an excess of BC, not shunning losses during delivery.
          Or turn on your head and work for the future - GOS in each missile. Turn on on approach to the target. There are already 24 of them in TOS. I released everything and forgot, you can change the position. You can simply insert a glonass block and set the area combat mode, specify the size of the matrix, and then each missile will fly to its own coordinate point. You can seeker with a thermal imager - look for heat sources ignoring the explosions of previous strikes (target analysis unit). Equipment on the march, crowds of people - a guaranteed cover. It is possible as in lancets - guidance on video. No bridge or pantone can withstand such precise blows.
          In general, the truth is in the middle - we need to increase the production of what we know how to do, but also to develop something new. No other way. Bow and arrows are great, but then came the crossbow, then the firearm.
      2. -1
        November 13, 2022
        Mikhanchik, the chuyka is letting you down, are you in the topics for Kherson, where did you snoop around?
        1. 0
          November 13, 2022
          Quote: Pytnik
          Mikhanchik, the chuyka is letting you down, are you in the topics for Kherson, where did you snoop around?

          Yes, the informers banned me until I broke through, etc. Shoot right here hehe
          And he wrote about Kherson like .. It's a shame all this But it's solvable, I think so hi
          1. +1
            November 13, 2022
            Quote: Stakan
            And he wrote about Kherson like .. It's a shame all this But it's solvable, I think so

            Come on. Yesterday I waved my saber with might and main.
        2. +1
          November 13, 2022
          Quote: Pytnik
          Mikhanchik, the chuyka is letting you down, are you in the topics for Kherson, where did you snoop around?

          Yesterday he was Wagner. Today, he has not yet understood or not? It seems the style is similar, but it seems to have become more meaningful.
          1. -8
            November 13, 2022
            Quote: lis-ik
            Quote: Pytnik
            Mikhanchik, the chuyka is letting you down, are you in the topics for Kherson, where did you snoop around?

            Yesterday he was Wagner. Today, he has not yet understood or not? It seems the style is similar, but it seems to have become more meaningful.

            Well knock, Vadim in On lain hehe
            I don’t feel sorry for this nickname .. So I picked it up from the archive wassat

            So we live, chew bread, I'll be back again
            And the nickname VAGNER was pitifully soaked And especially gansalesa He wrote normally. Well, okay, not the first time. Let's start from the beginning, as always.
            1. +4
              November 13, 2022
              Weakly ataman flanks. It feels like it's good under the stopar.
              1. -9
                November 13, 2022
                Quote: YOUR
                Weakly ataman flanks. It feels like it's good under the stopar.

                Well, yes, you should vulgarize everything .. hi
                Have you tried it yourself? Or I got nunchucks on my head ha ha
                1. +1
                  November 13, 2022
                  Quote: Stakan
                  Well, yes, you should vulgarize everything ..

                  Where did you get it from.
                  1. -6
                    November 13, 2022
                    Quote: YOUR
                    Quote: Stakan
                    Well, yes, you should vulgarize everything ..

                    Where did you get it from.

                    Yes, that's an observation. wink
                    1. +1
                      November 14, 2022
                      Ofiget he can not only memorize but also observe. Urgently to the NWO zone, such a frame disappears. Observant, with a phenomenal memory, the truth is a coward.
                2. +4
                  November 13, 2022
                  Quote: Stakan
                  Have you tried it yourself? Or I got nunchucks on my head ha ha

                  And you, my friend, turn out to be a boor. If so cool, show your dashing there ...
                  1. -4
                    November 13, 2022
                    Quote: YOUR
                    Quote: Stakan
                    Have you tried it yourself? Or I got nunchucks on my head ha ha

                    And you, my friend, turn out to be a boor. If so cool, show your dashing there ...

                    Well, due to rudeness, I had a lot of warnings, thanks to people like you hehe .. A little offended, immediately rude and complaints I remember I remember everyone bully
                    Quote: YOUR
                    If so cool, show your dashing there ...

                    Well, there, it’s not for you to report, etc. A lot of honor hehe
                    1. +2
                      November 13, 2022
                      Quote: Stakan
                      Well, there, it’s not for you to report, etc. A lot of honor hehe

                      It's clear. Scared.
                      Quote: Stakan
                      Well, due to rudeness, I had a lot of warnings, thanks to people like you hehe .. A little offended, immediately rude and complaints I remember I remember everyone

                      Did you try not to be rude? Maybe it would not have been necessary to remember everyone, the Moscow City Council took its own with something else
                      1. -4
                        November 13, 2022
                        Quote: YOUR
                        Did you try not to be rude?

                        Tried, still knocking hehe laughing
                        So I’ll be the way I am and I won’t lick the Banshees .. And bans bans bans ..
                        And I'm such a hooligan .. wassat

                        Although I want to calmly write and argue .. Like in the good old days of 2012-13
                        1. 0
                          November 14, 2022
                          Quote: Stakan
                          ..and bans bans bans ..
                          And I'm such a hooligan ..

                          Maybe just a stupid and ill-mannered person. Which one fine moment forever. Especially if you flaunt it.
                        2. 0
                          November 14, 2022
                          Quote: YOUR
                          Quote: Stakan
                          ..and bans bans bans ..
                          And I'm such a hooligan ..

                          Maybe just a stupid and ill-mannered person. Which one fine moment forever. Especially if you flaunt it.

                          I don’t flaunt, I just sometimes write with humor, but people like you have already been nasty here and more than once .. I write frankly with you, but here insult after insult .. So don’t complain later ..
                          I saw a lot of such bores here .. So actually, I didn’t start talking to you here, but you immediately settled in a crowd ..
                3. 0
                  November 14, 2022
                  I saw how the guys from China played with their doubles, there they periodically reminded me of a propeller, I thought it didn’t happen.
              2. +1
                November 13, 2022
                Spins normally. Have you tried it yourself? Joints should be in good shape and coordination. Here the man is over 60 and turns normally. He is not an artist in a circus or on stage. By the way, there are a lot of unfamiliar flanking elements, obviously not circus elements, probably old military elements. I will save the video.
                1. 0
                  November 14, 2022
                  Quote: biznaw
                  Spins normally. Have you tried it yourself? Joints should be in good shape and coordination. Here the man is over 60 and turns normally. He is not an artist in a circus or on stage. By the way, there are a lot of unfamiliar flanking elements, obviously not circus elements, probably old military elements. I will save the video.

                  That's right, and the Cossack feels that all this is difficult for him, all the same years ...
          2. +3
            November 13, 2022
            Quote: lis-ik
            Today, he did not understand yet or did not he? It seems the style is similar, but it seems to have become more meaningful

            It was he who had not yet mastered the new nickname and was not untwisted in full force. lol
            1. -2
              November 13, 2022
              Quote: Piramidon
              Quote: lis-ik
              Today, he did not understand yet or did not he? It seems the style is similar, but it seems to have become more meaningful

              It was he who had not yet mastered the new nickname and was not untwisted in full force. lol

              Tomorrow there will be a ban!!! And OH is OH hehe

              Such things are men in the Urals
    2. +8
      November 13, 2022
      You can announce anything, especially since, as far as I understand, there are no fundamental engineering problems with increasing the range to 15 km. The question is when will it be done?
      1. +2
        November 13, 2022
        andrewvlg hi, I think that in the near future we will see what it was, an announcement or development.
        1. +5
          November 13, 2022
          Work is underway to increase the range, if I'm not mistaken since last year. There is one minus there. The weight of the charge of the mixture will be reduced.
          1. 0
            November 16, 2022
            And why not put rockets from the Hurricane there? The caliber is the same, 220 mm, but the characteristics are more cheerful.
      2. 0
        November 13, 2022
        So that at the same time the accuracy and power of warheads remain at the level - it’s not so easy
      3. +4
        November 13, 2022
        There are not many things. For example, there is no information at all about the use of TOS-2, about the use of BMPT.
    3. +17
      November 13, 2022
      A much needed system. Especially when smoking out an enemy who has settled into the defense. It is unfortunate that it was not used during the capture of Azoavstal. There would be something to analyze, and Ukronazis vacationing in Turkey would have drastically decreased.
      1. -10
        November 13, 2022
        Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
        A much needed system.

        Even more !
        Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
        It is unfortunate that it was not used during the capture of Azoavstal.

        They were still sitting in Soviet bunkers, where even nuclear weapons would be difficult to cause serious damage.
        Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
        There would be something to analyze, and Ukronazis vacationing in Turkey would have drastically decreased.

        It’s like a knife to the heart, now they don’t take prisoners like that anymore angry
        1. +4
          November 13, 2022
          Glass-Vitalik, how many accounts do you have on the site?
          1. -3
            November 13, 2022
            Quote: Thrifty
            Glass-Vitalik, how many accounts do you have on the site?

            What annoys you so much? I am writing exactly without touching anyone ..
            Or are you used to knocking?
            PS The archive has raised its own, let it be wetted to the end (by the way, the admins work well)))), thanks to people like you hi
            I always write from one account until they knock .. Then everything from the beginning and so for 7 years since 2015 (stae 10 years every day here in fact))) .. I just became old to prove something to someone and whine .
            What are my friends wink I write and will write and the devil is not my brother
            And the nickname is cool, back then, they unbanned to see hehe
            1. 0
              November 13, 2022
              Quote: Stakan
              I'm going to write here for anyone just stuck

              well right
              1. -2
                November 13, 2022
                Quote: poquello
                Quote: Stakan
                I'm going to write here for anyone just stuck

                well right

                It would be right if it weren’t encrypted .. They calculate it once and the shot is accurate .. You crawl away and change the position again .. The hunt is here for me "Calculate Mikhan" and it will be credited to you hehe I'm not angry at such, let them knock soldier
                1. +1
                  November 13, 2022
                  Quote: Stakan
                  Quote: poquello
                  Quote: Stakan
                  I'm going to write here for anyone just stuck

                  well right

                  It would be right if it weren’t encrypted .. They calculate it once and the shot is accurate .. You crawl away and change the position again .. The hunt is here for me "Calculate Mikhan" and it will be credited to you hehe I'm not angry at such, let them knock soldier

                  Mihan, I don’t knock, but I calculate from two, and sometimes from one comment, but I know for sure that you always sculpt me a minus.
                  1. -3
                    November 13, 2022
                    Quote: lis-ik
                    Meehan, I don’t knock, but I calculate from two, and sometimes from one comment, but I know for sure

                    It's definitely an infection you are Sergey laughing
                    You constantly burn the office .. wink
                    Quote: lis-ik
                    you always sculpt me a minus. + you for tactics, you are thoughtful of ours.

                    Well, not always, but for this it happens from resentment that again you will have to change your position, as now ..
                    Do you want me to give you pluses as my opponent? I can if I want .. But you don't need them and it will only get worse.
                    You don’t need to figure me out, I just want to be on the site here, it doesn’t matter if I write well or badly
                    But I am who I am and I won’t be different, as long as my heart beats intermittently.
                    God is your judge and others. hi
                    1. +2
                      November 13, 2022
                      Quote: Stakan
                      You don’t need to figure me out, I just want to be on the site here, it doesn’t matter if I write well or badly

                      Yes, for God's sake, without you, the site is not a site. There is no need for pluses, I have my position and I defend it.
                      1. -4
                        November 13, 2022
                        Quote: lis-ik
                        Quote: Stakan
                        You don’t need to figure me out, I just want to be on the site here, it doesn’t matter if I write well or badly

                        Yes, for God's sake, without you, the site is not a site. There is no need for pluses, I have my position and I defend it.

                        Thank you for this .. Straight balm to the heart! hi
                        And you will get a raise, but a little later .. This is already a holy promise .. Vadim left again, see tomorrow in the morning he will start how he loves to send to the bathhouse in the morning)))
                        Well, see you Seryoga! I’ll write a little more on topics, otherwise the flood has already begun lol
            2. +2
              November 13, 2022
              You have to be yourself, that's right!
              Reminded Kerzhakov
              "I beat, I beat and I will beat"
              1. -2
                November 13, 2022
                Quote: novel xnumx
                You have to be yourself, that's right!
                Reminded Kerzhakov
                "I beat, I beat and I will beat"

                Thank you, and I try to act But with you, I Roman swore here more than once wink
                1. +2
                  November 13, 2022
                  I know, so what? Opinions may vary
                  1. -2
                    November 13, 2022
                    Quote: novel xnumx
                    I know, so what? Opinions may vary

                    I agree, but it is very difficult to defend them when they poison you wink
                    1. +1
                      November 13, 2022
                      Uh, my friend, Cyrano de Bergerac came out one against 100 and won
                      1. -2
                        November 13, 2022
                        Quote: novel xnumx
                        Uh, my friend, Cyrano de Bergerac came out one against 100 and won

                        Look, even how, and who is your Serano?
                        1. +1
                          November 13, 2022
                          this is such a Frenchman - he became famous as the most big-nosed man of his time, which often gave rise to duels and the breter was superb, well, as usual, a poet and a hero-lover are included in the kit.
                          "Shooting, taverns, skirmishes, swords, horses ..." -
                          This is how they will tell in three hundred years
                          About our life windy and rough.
                          But who will tell in future centuries
                          About how captivating lips
                          Breters died on the blades?



                          he's wearing a hat, if that
                        2. 0
                          November 13, 2022
                          Quote: novel xnumx
                          this is such a Frenchman - he became famous as the most big-nosed man of his time, which often gave rise to duels and the breter was superb, well, as usual, a poet and a hero-lover are included in the kit.
                          "Shooting, taverns, skirmishes, swords, horses ..." -
                          This is how they will tell in three hundred years
                          About our life windy and rough.
                          But who will tell in future centuries
                          About how captivating lips
                          Breters died on the blades?



                          he's wearing a hat, if that

                          Handsomely !!! hi But I don't like nosy
      2. +2
        November 13, 2022
        They used it there. It’s just that people think it’s SUCH A TOOL! Well, it burns everything around them deep down!
      3. 0
        November 14, 2022
        There were proposals to fill the ventilation with fuel, but they could not find the mines, Bandera disguised them as tanks and columns. According to the recollections of the Ukrainians themselves, they were very "exhausted" in the catacombs of the plant bombed by Fabami 500 and 1000. After each explosion, fine dust hung in the premises, which did not settle for a long time. According to them, this was the main reason that led them to decide to surrender.
    4. +2
      November 13, 2022
      Range and accuracy are mutually conflicting characteristics of weapons. Starting from certain limits, further improvement of these characteristics is possible only with the help of controlled high-precision correction of the projectile flight. And in such matters, not only high-tech ammunition is needed, but also a global network-centric system of reconnaissance, communications and target designation, which includes ground, air (manned and unmanned), and space high-tech means of support.
      That is, there is a lot of work to be done.
      Maybe it would be easier to gasp?
    5. +2
      November 13, 2022
      Here, you also need to take care of the issue of protection against anti-tank systems, all the same, the machines often work in the first line, and there the Ukrainians have no problems with these types of weapons.
      1. +3
        November 13, 2022
        there the principle is simple - they quickly drove up, shot back and immediately dumped until they covered it. no one on such devices rides in front of the enemy on the front line. and no one reloads right in front of the enemy.
    6. +2
      November 13, 2022
      if only I could take 80 kilometers in range - it would be good Now 15 km range means getting 100% under enemy counter-battery fire. Even not very advanced enemy artillery will master 15 km in response.

      Just imagine that our such system could burn the enemy, working from our rear, being inaccessible to the enemy’s counter-battery fire. from this thing would be....
      1. +8
        November 13, 2022
        So the tornado seems to have thermobaric charges.
      2. +3
        November 13, 2022
        so there is a dilemma: either we increase the range, or the charge power - or both together but with an increase in the diameter and length of the missiles
        1. 0
          November 13, 2022
          or we do Ivan-dolbay (over-caliber) while lowering the range but increasing the broads to the enemy.
          and hoping that after the strike, no one there will be able to respond with a counter-battery ...
          everything was already there.
          1. -2
            November 13, 2022
            I would rather bet on chemistry ... maybe it makes sense to carry oxygen as part of a volumetric detonating charge (in a separate container?)
            1. 0
              November 14, 2022
              Quote: prodi
              maybe it makes sense to carry oxygen as part of a volumetric detonating charge (in a separate container?)

              You don't have Mars here.
              Isn't it clear that oxygen is used from the "volume" where the war material is sprayed.
      3. -6
        November 13, 2022
        Quote: Nexcom
        if only I could take 80 kilometers in range - it would be good Now 15 km range means getting 100% under enemy counter-battery fire. Even not very advanced enemy artillery will master 15 km in response.

        Just imagine that our such system could burn the enemy, working from our rear, being inaccessible to the enemy’s counter-battery fire. from this thing would be....

        maybe try to stick caterpillars to a tornado, but that's why))))))))))))))
    7. 0
      November 13, 2022
      And there are real indicators of the effectiveness of the use of TOSOCHKI in NWO. I would just like to know both the opinion of the opposing side and our armed forces.
      1. 0
        November 13, 2022
        "Tosochka" and "TOS1A" systems are different. There was a tosochka at the parades, but in practice? I think they use it.
    8. +2
      November 13, 2022
      The author, maybe boastful relations like "covers an area of ​​​​up to 40 thousand square meters with one salvo" will suffice. After such a volley, the enemy’s manpower remains alive and combat-ready !!!!! If this were the case, then our troops would not have been trampling around for 8 months in the suburbs of Donetsk, but would now be in the suburbs of Paris. The effectiveness of salvo fire systems is trampling around zero! Whatever video you watch on Telegram about good hits on the equipment of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, all the fields around are pierced with thousands of craters. What's the point of stuffing the fields with fragments?
    9. 0
      November 13, 2022
      Where did they put the toss? As I understand it, the range and accuracy is about her, but in general, I wrote for a long time to make missiles longer, the package itself is a long base more like BAZ.
      1. +1
        November 13, 2022
        Quote: Incvizitor
        Where did they put the toss? As I understand it, the range and accuracy is about her, but in general, I wrote for a long time to make missiles longer, the package itself is a long base more like BAZ.

        During the development of TOS, there were options with a large missile size, they settled on the current version for a reason.
    10. -1
      November 13, 2022
      I have seen the documentary as well as the flamethrower in action (photos), it is a powerful and scary weapon and if the soldiers upgrade it Ukrainians can count on being fried in flames. am
      1. 0
        November 13, 2022
        It is not soldiers who modernize, but designers and production workers. However, modernization is necessary. This is our Katyusha in 1941 ...
    11. +1
      November 13, 2022
      After the development of "6-km ... x" RSs, there was a conversation that the next stage was the development of RSs with a range of up to 8-10 km! (For example, for "Tosochka"!) ... And suddenly, immediately up to 15 km! It is possible that the new "tosovye" RSs are simply "closer" to the Uragan MLRS RSs! And this is due, perhaps, to the fact that "Hurricanes" "according to plan" should soon "go into oblivion" and 220 mm should remain only for TOS! But the increase in the length of the RSs is limited by the length of the guides of the TOS ... Creating a more powerful solid propellant rocket engine is problematic, because here the "breakthroughs" in solid fuel are still completed, but nothing is heard about the quasi-LPRE on gel-like fuel! ... Reduced in terms of "weight and dimensions" warhead? But subject to the preservation of power, success is needed in creating a new type of "thermobar"! In general, clarifications will appear when the full data are "published" in the "open press"!
    12. +1
      November 13, 2022
      [/ quote] work in progress [quote]

      From work being carried out to appearing on the front line, we usually have years pass ....
    13. 0
      November 13, 2022
      Yes, I agree that the range needs to be increased! 15 km is already good, but 35 km in general will be a fairy tale, at least the Grad will not get it !!? And the system is cool, it should cause HORROR and PANIC and mass surrender in the captivity of Banderlogs at the mere news that TOS is approaching the front line !!! It is necessary to carry out the mass destruction of EVERYTHING and EVERYTHING in some area, like on Damansky in 1968 ... so that they go crazy !!!
      1. 0
        November 13, 2022
        Quote: Sergio63
        range needs to be increased. 15 km is already good, but 35 in general will be a fairy tale

        Yes, easily! It's called Hurricane! wink
        1. 0
          November 13, 2022
          Your hurricanes even have nowhere to repair. Motovilikha plants bankrupt.
      2. +1
        November 14, 2022
        Have you read here an article about self-propelled guns D-80 535 mm firing large active-rocket projectiles at 50-70 km? There was such a caliber of drin, compare it with Karl Gerat 41. There, the truth is, the barrel was bored out to 540 mm, well, and a close analogue of the 520 mm Schneider howitzer.
        True, the project was rejected, due to the lobbying of the maize rocket industry. But even such a projectile had a minus, the KVO was about a couple of kilometers. But in the conditions of the present time, it is fixable. In addition, you would not have to buy missiles from Iran, this is because of the prices of the Iskanders themselves. The cost of such a projectile is 6-7 times lower, the range is like that of the Hymars. And if you start this fool in a good way with napalm or turn ODAB. It will be hell for all living things.
    14. 0
      November 13, 2022
      The upgraded vehicles receive modern digital communications, as well as equipment for a closed data transmission segment, which will allow them to be integrated into automatic control systems (ACS) of the tactical level.
      Strange, it hasn't been done yet? When will we have a 21st century army?
      It was necessary to stay a little in the conditions of war in order to understand that there are NOT MODERN communications facilities there!
    15. 0
      November 13, 2022
      In addition, for TOS-1 and TOS-1A it was planned to adapt long-range ammunition from TOS-2 (Tosochki), thereby increasing the range of TOS to 15 km instead of the currently available 6 km.


      in 9 months of fighting, they could already adapt ammunition from TOS-2 to TOS-1, TOS-1A, increasing only, for example, one range and tightening the accuracy later. minimal losses. It is necessary to constantly improve and modernize our effective weapons.
    16. +2
      November 13, 2022
      Some write that more power is needed, but in the sun it will no longer work unless you can make catapults with which you can throw FAB.

    17. 0
      November 13, 2022
      This is all right and wonderful, but AWACS and satellites must be neutralized. And the bosses will not have time to set up their own.
    18. +1
      November 13, 2022
      It is high time. Guys, when will you finally start communicating and transmitting information?! This is a real pain point!
    19. -1
      November 13, 2022
      This is a system for finishing off survivors when there is already superiority on the battlefield, but a large number of powerful fortifications remain. In more or less equal conditions, artillery and drones will be knocked out on the way. In general, judging by the course of the NMD, we do not see any particularly powerful fortifications, everything is done in haste, and it is possible to hollow out trenches and dugouts with artillery and drones with less risk and energy costs. Maybe it would make sense for her to demolish bridges, dams, warehouses, power plants during an unexpected retreat, when she failed to blow up the sappers, and on the other hand, the enemy still does not control movement on the ground so much. For such a tactical use, the Solstice can be more effective than artillery
      1. 0
        November 13, 2022
        You are talking nonsense. 2 ZAB will burn out everything that is possible.
        The rocks were on fire.
        1. 0
          November 13, 2022
          Did an enemy drone aim artillery over the range? Obviously not.
          And in real combat conditions, the stones will also burn, but under the installation itself and as a result of its defeat. Of course, the future in a certain sense belongs to thermobaric ammunition, but the carrier must be either small and, accordingly, inconspicuous, such as the Bumblebee flamethrower, or large, but accurately striking for tens of kilometers, such as Tornado, and something in between, like Solntsepeka, this is either a finishing weapon a fortified area from a relatively close distance, but with the threat of getting a javelin on board, so it’s probably better to do it with armored tanks with the appropriate ammunition, or a scorched earth tactic weapon on your territory, when you need to quickly destroy any important infrastructure facility in the face of an unexpectedly advancing enemy from an ambush, that is, when the enemy cannot detect the installation on the march.
    20. 0
      November 13, 2022
      It is necessary to make the Kh-32 rocket, as in the "Solntsepeka", thermobaric, then it will immediately cover all enemies, moreover, several hundred kilometers away.
    21. +1
      November 13, 2022
      Today at breakfast I watched "Military Acceptance", there was a topic about modernization, reinforced armor, protection and increased range up to 30 km.
      I was surprised, I watched the video on the Star, they already rubbed it.
      If increased to 30 km, the Sumerians can immediately hang themselves.
      1. 0
        November 13, 2022
        I think so they will increase the energy of the propulsion engine of the projectile.
    22. 0
      November 13, 2022
      You need to change the installation base. A possible option is PTS-2, it is armored and has a good capacity.
    23. 0
      November 13, 2022
      Quote: SKVichyakow
      Are you talking about Tosochka? So she already is.

      Only today on Zvezda there was a program on this topic, but only the chief engineer himself said there is Tosochka, but still in work.
    24. +2
      November 13, 2022
      Before the NVO, someone assured the Russians that there would never be full-scale armed conflicts again.
      Therefore, it is enough for Russia to have a compact, well-trained Army ...
      Would this someone be sent for mobilization "for a ribbon", so that he would no longer croak about Roman law, or about the fact that he would buy everything necessary for the Army abroad?
    25. 0
      November 14, 2022
      the sun would have a range of 80 kilometers ... and all the other RSZOs are no longer needed, a thermobaric explosion is not for you to feel a paralyzed grandmother
    26. 0
      November 14, 2022
      The main thing is that the updated systems quickly get into the active forces, the burden of certification and paper procedures in a war should be minimized.
      Yes, if only to fasten the brains and eyes from Krasnopol to some of the rockets for TOS, it would have been a pig-nosed skiff.
    27. -1
      November 14, 2022
      Increase in range and accuracy. OK.
      To increase the affected area.
      How's that?
      In layman's terms...
      If you need to be farther and more precisely, they brought the barrels together, the shells are heavier, the charges are more powerful.
      If it is necessary to increase the area of ​​\uXNUMXb\uXNUMXbdamage, the trunks were spread out, instead of a bullet, shot, and charges of different capacities.
      Childish, of course. But immediately the range, and the accuracy and area of ​​\uXNUMXb\uXNUMXbdestruction?
    28. 0
      November 14, 2022
      More range means less warhead. Actually, it's a thing of the past. Ragouli drive in the trenches only. And then if they were thrown without help. And so, you still need to get closer to 15 km when copters fly on the front end. We need analogues of Hymars, satellite reconnaissance. Enough already hacking on areas with a near-zero result. It is better to correctly attach one package of missiles than to plow the fields of the outskirts from hurricanes and hail. Thousands more shells for them to bring as it is necessary. Turbo Patriots attack angry
      1. 0
        November 16, 2022
        Quote: Dmitry Smetanin
        And so, you still need to get closer to 15 km when copters fly on the front end.

        Or maybe the Tungusok need a sufficient number, and then the copters will not fly there?
        1. -1
          November 17, 2022
          Tunguskas have a missile range of 8 km. They need to be tightly fitted to this TOS. And they will also finish
          1. 0
            November 17, 2022
            Not close, but within a radius of 1 km, and Tunguska may not even stop, shooting on the go! Why would someone other than the enemy suddenly get a kick if the copters are shot down while still on the approach, and there, even without missiles, the firing range is 3-5 km ?!
            1. -1
              November 18, 2022
              It's clear what an expert you are. Within a radius of one kilometer, they will not only be destroyed by artillery, but also by mortars. The Tunguska does not shoot on the move, it's a shell, sir. From cannons, even a hovering drone must be managed to get into, and flying into a drone is already in the realm of fantasy. This has already been proven. In the military reception, they showed it at some window dressing
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    30. 0
      November 15, 2022
      It has always been clear that flamethrower ammunition is most effective against armored vehicles and for "smoking out" infantry from any cracks. It is not clear why insufficient attention has been paid to the wider development of such systems. Why is there still, for example, no similar ammunition for launching from helicopters and aircraft? Weird...
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