Information appeared on the network about the removal of the American missile of the HIMARS complex to one of the design bureaus of the Russian Federation

Publications appeared on the network that an American-made missile fell into the hands of the Russian military - an ammunition for the HIMARS universal rocket launcher (MLRS). These installations, as is well known, are used by the Ukrainian army. Several batches of such MLRS and thousands of missiles for them were supplied by the American side as part of the military-technical support of the Kyiv regime.

According to other sources (in particular, writes about this TG channel Boris Rozhin), the rocket from the Hymars MLRS was received "through undercover channels by the Russian special services." Moreover, it is alleged that the ammunition was exported from the territory of Ukraine to Russia through a third country. Which country is in question is not reported.

The network specifies that the American-made rocket has already been delivered to one of the Russian design bureaus, where full access to its “stuffing” has been obtained. This "stuffing" is carefully studied by Russian experts.

In this regard, it has been suggested that in the near future both an effective system to counter HIMARS missile launchers and their Russian counterparts in terms of the ammunition used may appear.

Officials do not comment on this information at the moment.

Earlier, the United States announced its refusal to supply Ukraine with longer-range missiles (over 80 km). There was also a refusal to supply Kyiv with Western aircraft and strike aircraft. drones "Gray Eagle". Biden, commenting on this refusal, said that the United States "does not want to bring things to a new world war." Experts considered that the main reason for the refusal is that there are no guarantees that these weapons will not end up with Russia, where they can study the American technologies used for their own use.

Comments

[Andrei Nikolaevich]

I thought so too, right away!) Good luck and strength to our soldiers. We will not betray you. Take care of yourself and your lives.

[Nikolay-Nikolaevich]

Third country - Belarus? Or through Transnistria?...

[ankir13]

Chatterbox is a godsend for a spy! Said: third party (or country). And that's it.

[Serg koma]

Quote: ankir13

Chatterbox - a find for the spy!

I remember one installation was "bought" and taken to the Russian Federation (according to information from the media), but that was two or three months ago.
Or are they "talking" once again, misinforming the enemy ???

[Constantine]

I am from Transnistria. PMR. What I wanted to say with this: Through Transnistria.

[hohohol]

Third country - Belarus? Or through Transnistria?...

No, the ship with grain - Turkey - again the ship - Russia.

[Beetle1991]

Why is everyone so naive????
It's like with the allegedly captured / bought French self-propelled guns Caesar or Cesar, or whatever it is called. the Ukrainians and the French denied this information, and there is no evidence of the capture of the self-propelled guns. At least the photos from this sau were photoshopped for more convincing propaganda.
In short, another bike / hat / fake.

At best, an unexploded shell got.

Copy???? Hmmm... get an iPhone and copy it. Or a Mercedes. A computer.
Oh yes, after all, we need not only a sample, but also production technologies and appropriate production facilities.

It's like against the background of "Kherson" there is at least a small, but still a victory????

[Vladimir_2U]

Quote: Beetle1991

At best, an unexploded shell got.

Whole planes of the rudders say the opposite ...

[former soldier]

Copy???? Hmmm... get an iPhone and copy it. Or a Mercedes. A computer.
Oh yes, after all, we need not only a sample, but also production technologies and appropriate production facilities.

Nevertheless, industrial espionage is a common thing in the modern world and any information is used, whether in the form of a finished sample, part of it or technology. According to the experience of Iran and not only it, "not the gods burn the pots." The United States is primarily engaged in industrial espionage. They have $ printing press and they are buying all over the world not only technology, but also specialists and often even promising graduates of higher educational institutions in many countries.

[Beetle1991]

Having a sample of complex "technology", but not having the technology to copy it is almost impossible.
There are almost 1000 Boeings and Airbuses in Russia. Because of the sanctions, there are no engines for them. Are there any samples you can copy? No. Well, or at least peep and make similar domestic engines for the superjet and ms21. Oh well.
And how many samples of electronics are available, but it is practically impossible to produce them .. there are no technologies, personnel and corresponding production capacities.

[former soldier]

Having a sample of complex "technology", but not having the technology to copy it is almost impossible.
There are almost 1000 Boeings and Airbuses in Russia. Because of the sanctions, there are no engines for them. Are there any samples you can copy? No. Well, or at least peep and make similar domestic engines for the superjet and ms21. Oh well.
And how many samples of electronics are available, but it is practically impossible to produce them .. there are no technologies, personnel and corresponding production capacities.

"Any long road begins with one small step" The first thing you need is desire.

[Beetle1991]

Any long road begins with one small step" The first thing you need is desire

I absolutely agree.
And this technological gap is not "insurmountable".
But there is one thing.
Desire and even alleged undertakings are only Potemkin villages.
Nobody up there needs it. No one will lift a finger there.
I remember about 15 years ago they showed tests of the KAZ arena on TV. They said that they were ready to launch in a series. and on those: 15 years later, instead of KAZs, barbecues / visors were welded onto tanks. And so it is with everything.
Someone said that “they don’t change horses at the crossing. They didn’t change Gorbachev, they also said so. As a result, the old horse staggered the superpower. Although the USSR began to stagger and crumble badly since 1989, and humpback clearly could not cope, only pushed slogans and gave out promises ( just like today) it has not been changed.
And what is the state of Russia today???? Economy, industry, social sphere, medicine, education, quality of public administration, level of corruption, roads, housing issues, financial sector, international relations, defense industry, army?????? Everywhere "wedge". They don't do anything, they just drink.
There is no hope for this Politburo. As humpbacks staggered the union, so these also stagger. But traitors are always there. And betrays Russia the one who supports those who destroy Russia.
Oh yes, I forgot. At least in some ways, Russia, under the current ones, has become a leader. By the number of billionaires, more than 10 years, the second place in the world after the United States. Now they are shaved in the west.

They always did everything through w, and now all of a sudden, having allegedly received some kind of sample, they will start working ????
As Gorby looked at the collapse of the USSR without doing anything, so did these.
There is another regrouping in Kherson. De-escalation or what other term will they pick up?
The singing bots supported humpbacks, the same "urapatriots" support the current vector of the country's development.
Traitors. They betrayed their people.

[Rzzz]

Quote: Beetle1991

Although the USSR began to stagger and crumble strongly since 1989

The USSR began to "shake and crumble" many years earlier than 1989 ....

[Beetle1991]

In 1989 this was clearly obvious to everyone. The crisis has already raged.

[Igor_Aretano]

Let it be impossible to copy 100 percent, but you can still learn a lot of useful things. But CIPSO authoritatively assures that it is impossible

[Havoc]

Quote: Beetle1991

Having a sample of complex "technology", but not having the technology to copy it is almost impossible.
There are almost 1000 Boeings and Airbuses in Russia. Because of the sanctions, there are no engines for them. Are there any samples you can copy? No. Well, or at least peep and make similar domestic engines for the superjet and ms21. Oh well.
And how many samples of electronics are available, but it is practically impossible to produce them .. there are no technologies, personnel and corresponding production capacities.

1. Chem. propellant composition.
2. Chem. composition of the missile warhead.
3. The rocket engine itself, its layout
4. Rudder system
5 Electronics is more difficult, but you can understand the principle of operation.
And there are technologies in the Russian Federation, Caliber and Iskander

[AC130 Gunship]

Well, since the graduates of the Phystech and Bauman schools are leaving for where the printing press is, can he fix something at the conservatory?

[former soldier]

Well, since the graduates of the Phystech and Bauman schools are leaving for where the printing press is, can he fix something at the conservatory?

Offer to print counterfeit dollars

[Eduard Egorov]

Don't worry, you can also copy an iPhone if you want and need it. But there is no need to copy weapons, but to improve what is due to foreign developments, yes. All countries do this, and the United States is no exception. And I will ask you not to write such nonsense anymore, if you are not in the subject and do not understand.

[stankow]

For a frostbitten consumer, iPhone and Merc are everything. Alpha and omega of all technologies and the entire universe

[Beetle1991]

It's not just the iPhone or Mercedes. That's an example. matter in principle. Having received a sample without having production technologies, you will not reproduce this sample.
In any city, you can conditionally buy a "computer processor". Why buy imported when you can copy. The problem is that without production technologies, copying will not work. Look, even the "Russian" Elbrus processors were made in Taiwan. Why? In Russia, there are no production technologies and capacities. This is not fake Adidas sewing for you.
That's the thing, not the iPhone or the Merc.
By the way, at the expense of the "frostbitten consumer" although to whom I answer ........

[Dmitry_10]

Yes, yes, Russia in Taiwan makes the CPU, oh, how bad we can do nothing. The United States is doing in Taiwan, oh what specialists are clear. And by the way, AvtoVAZ should not be like a Mercedes to equal them, let you release a Mercedes for the price of a vase, in principle, a car, not to mention the quality. And by the way, Mercedes is full of non-German parts, but it doesn’t matter vaz shit ahaha in Mercedes body and internal combustion engine, and then not always the rest of the hodgepodge valeo bosh tokato jatko, etc.

[former soldier]

It's not just the iPhone or Mercedes. That's an example. matter in principle. Having received a sample without having production technologies, you will not reproduce this sample.

What you constantly repeat is known to any more or less techie. The task is not to copy, the task is to make your own with similar performance characteristics. Some of the technologies are clear from the overview of the unit or assembly, the other is replaced by its counterparts. We have to think and work. And just moaning “oh, we don’t have these technologies, equipment and equipment,” then nothing will ever work out.
ps. The B-29 was copied down to the penny, although this was not necessary. Later it was improved.

[Vlodek]

the task is set: "Improvement of counteraction algorithms".
There is no point in copying the day before yesterday

[Warlord]

Yes, it's not just about technology, but about who created them. Most fled over the hill, Sikorsky escaped at the beginning of 1918 and created helicopters for the United States. So he is by definition a traitor, like everyone who collaborates with our enemies. Having resources, there are practically no outstanding academicians left in Russia like Kurchatov or Sakharova. In fact, the science and education of the bachelor's system, have made modern society, to put it mildly, short-sighted ignoramuses. And it's easier to be stupid, like a TV.

[Vlodek]

bad luck ... Zworykin also put the television into production in America. Although he came up with in Russia. If not a revolution with "the whole world to its foundations..." no one escaped.

[AC130 Gunship]

In fact, the design and electronic filling of an iPhone is an indicator of the developer's technology level.

[SovAr238A]

Quote: stankow

For a frostbitten consumer, iPhone and Merc are everything. Alpha and omega of all technologies and the entire universe

Creating a modern iPhone from scratch is much more difficult than launching a rocket into space.
We must learn how to make precision machines for the production of precision lithographic machines on which processors are produced. We need to develop them.
It is necessary to have a level of science and technology that will allow this to be realized in reality.
The same goes for battery technology, screens, cases, and everything else.
To create an iPhone, you need to have advanced physics, mathematics, chemistry, materials science, microelectronics, programming, industry.
Several hundred trillion have been invested in the creation of what the iPhone is now over the past 40 years. And millions of geniuses and brilliant minds worked.

Astronautics, for example, didn’t even stand next to it ...

This is for you to understand.

The development of a modern Mercedes A-class car platform alone cost about 3 billion dollars.
Platform. The life of which on the conveyor does not exceed 15 years ...
Р'РѕС ‚Рё РґСѓРјР ° йте.
Although you do not even understand such examples.

[Osipov9391]

And now in Russia it is impossible to make even a PDA based on windows mobile of the 2003 model - there is no production of microcircuits and LCD displays even of that level.
Only the body can do. Well, the battery. Perhaps everything.

[Beetle1991]

There is no element base.
Look at what the eagle-10 is made of. All electronics are imported. Gray channels for the supply of components for weapons are constantly being closed, new ones are being found. That's how they produce it. I don't have my own.
Interestingly, after looking at the receiver for the military standard GPS in the Hymars projectile, where will they order such ???? These are not video transceivers or eagle cameras, which are also used in civilian industries.

Don't worry, you can also copy an iPhone if you want and need it. But there is no need to copy weapons, but to improve what is due to foreign developments, yes. All countries do this, and the United States is no exception. And I will ask you not to write such nonsense anymore, if you are not in the subject and do not understand.

Oh sure. Vaughn and electronics and cars copied????? But no. At AvtoVAZ, at least 100 times they will take apart a Mercedes by cogs, they still won’t start making cars like human beings.
Judging by your cultural / aggressive reaction, you have no reasonable arguments. And you have shown your intelligence. Thank you.
By the way, you are on the topic.

[Havoc]

Quote: Beetle1991

There is no element base.
Look at what the eagle-10 is made of. All electronics are imported. Gray channels for the supply of components for weapons are constantly being closed, new ones are being found. That's how they produce it. I don't have my own.
Interestingly, after looking at the receiver for the military standard GPS in the Hymars projectile, where will they order such ???? These are not video transceivers or eagle cameras, which are also used in civilian industries.

Don't worry, you can also copy an iPhone if you want and need it. But there is no need to copy weapons, but to improve what is due to foreign developments, yes. All countries do this, and the United States is no exception. And I will ask you not to write such nonsense anymore, if you are not in the subject and do not understand.

Oh sure. Vaughn and electronics and cars copied????? But no. At AvtoVAZ, at least 100 times they will take apart a Mercedes by cogs, they still won’t start making cars like human beings.
Judging by your cultural / aggressive reaction, you have no reasonable arguments. And you have shown your intelligence. Thank you.
By the way, you are on the topic.

I am always amazed by people who compare VAZ and Mercedes, when you already understand that these cars have a COMPLETELY different pricing policy, if you cram everything that is on a Mercedes into Vesta, it will not be worse than the latter, only the price will not be 1,5 lyama and 8-9 lyam i.e. Mercedes price.

[Warlord]

You can turn the name Mercedes into Lada Vesta and still be Mercedes. And everyone will ride it, but you will never make it from Lada Vesta to Mercedes, since it turns out that the price is the same. And they are unlikely to ride for that kind of money.
AvtoVAZ is not even a circus, but howling and crying at the wailing wall in Jerusalem.

[Havoc]

Quote from warlord

You can turn the name Mercedes into Lada Vesta and still be Mercedes. And everyone will ride it, but you will never make it from Lada Vesta to Mercedes, since it turns out that the price is the same. And they are unlikely to ride for that kind of money.
AvtoVAZ is not even a circus, but howling and crying at the wailing wall in Jerusalem.

FILTERS:
KNECHT / MAHLE
MAN

IGNITION SYSTEM:
CANDLES:
Beru
CHAMPION
NGK
BOSCH batteries and motors
COILS:
Beru
BOSCH batteries and motors

PADS:
ATE
TEXT
LEGAL
FERODO

BRAKE DISCS:
ATE
ZF (probably manufactured by LEMFORDER) W163
TEXT

STOPPING SUPPORT:
TRW

ROLLERS/TENSIONERS:
INA
STABLE

BELTS:
GATES
CONTITECH

DEPRECIATION:
SACHS shock absorbers
K+F springs
KILLEN springs

LEVER/BALL:
LEMFORDER suspension arm
LEMFORDER stub bushings
TRW suspension arm

STEERING:
LEMFORDER steering linkage
STABILUS steering linkage shock absorber
HUB:
SKF
NSK

ICE:
GLYCO liners
IWIS timing chain w202
TRUCKTEC oil separator w203
GOETZE cylinder head gasket w201
KOLBENSCHMIDT pistons/ rings
CFW valve stem seals
INA hydraulic lifters
BOGE engine mount

COOLING/AIR-CONDITIONING:
RADIATOR:
BEHR/HELLA Main radiator
BEHR/HELLA Heater Radiator
BOSCH intercooler pump
HEATER FAN:
OVEN MOTOR
HEPU cooling pump ML 320
HELLA cooling pump ML
THERMOSTAT:
VOTER

GENERATOR:
BOSCH batteries and motors

FUEL SYSTEM:
PIERBURG fuel pump
BOSCH fuel pump

LIGHTING:
BOSCH headlights, lanterns
VALEO headlights, lanterns

GLAZING:
SILGA glass
SECURIT glass
PILKINGTON glass

ELECTRIC:
BOSCH lambda probe
BOSCH crankshaft position sensor
VDO/SIEMENS sensors
BOSCH sensors

OTHER:
BOGE stretcher cushion
And this is not a complete list. what Mercedes puts on their cars. Forget about the quality of German cars, now it's gone, since about 2012. This applies to all German car brands.

[Warlord]

agree I won't even argue. The school died out even in 2001, when they released the 220 body. I realized that the following models will go a long way in the direction of pumping money. For the current Mercedes, in terms of reliability, do not stand next to 124 bodies.

[former soldier]

Don't worry, you can also copy an iPhone if you want and need it. But there is no need to copy weapons, but to improve what is due to foreign developments, yes. All countries do this, and the United States is no exception. And I will ask you not to write such nonsense anymore, if you are not in the subject and do not understand.

Absolutely.

[AC130 Gunship]

Many have tried, but so far no one has succeeded. I took a ZTE smartphone 3-4 years ago. They gave it for free if you take it with a plan for a year. And 2 two weeks you can try. Passed in a week. G. complete. Some functions didn't work at all...

[Sergey Romanchenko]

Here is a photo of the nose of the rocket, our radial nose rudder is visible. She is in perfect condition.
Why will a whole rocket block be milled out for the sake of this photo ?!
It's stupidity. it feels like you specifically went soda to leave such comments.

[Zoldat_A]

Quote: Andrey Nikolaevich

success and strength to our soldiers. We will not betray you. Take care of yourself and your lives.

We won't betray or sell. Our sons and brothers are fighting there.
But for the whole of Moscow, I would not speak so confidently.

[SKVichyakow]

Quote: Zoldat_A

We won't betray or sell. Our sons and brothers are fighting there.
But for the whole of Moscow, I would not speak so confidently.

There is enough of such junk everywhere, although they will have bigger trash cans.

[Zoldat_A]

Quote: SKVichyakow

although they have bigger trash cans

But in Moscow, these "garbage bins" that interfere with the whole country, for the most part, are located where they cannot be taken out by garbage trucks. More and more in high offices with easy chairs.

[novel66]

yes, there is no Moscow that I remember from my youth. I don't even like to go there.

[lis-ik]

Quote: novel xnumx

yes, there is no Moscow that I remember from my youth. I don't even like to go there.

That's exactly why I've been living in the country for almost 7 years, and when I come on business I'm shocked by my hometown, where you won't find a Slavic face in some areas at all, plus Sobyanin's "prettier". They ruined the city.

[Eduard Egorov]

In your opinion, the city does not need to be developed! You all live in old rags.

[Alex92]

What needs to be developed - borders or tiles to shift every year? Or turn the plant into a "cultural space"?

[Zoldat_A]

Quote: novel xnumx

there is no Moscow that I remember from my youth. I don't even like going there.

About five years ago, on the business of the company, I had to travel by train with a transfer from train to train in Moscow. I sat for five hours at the station with a book, before I didn’t even want to glance at the complete opposite of what we saw in the movies and what we ourselves saw in childhood and adolescence.
And just do ... I'm used to the fact that the street begins in one place, ends in another. Before the splitting of the brain in childhood, I was surprised when my brother and I walked down the street and came to the same place where we started from.

[Eduard Egorov]

It is necessary to return Moscow back when it was made of wood, in order to appease such dissatisfied people. The world is developing countries are developing cities are developing, people are developing, but only you are not developing, everyone is sitting in old rags and whining that everyone is walking around you in new ones.

[Nikolaevich I]

Quote: Zoldat_A

We won't betray or sell. Our sons and brothers are fighting there.
But for the whole of Moscow, I would not speak so confidently.

Yes ... the people are now indignant and bewildered! Against the background of this bewilderment, "rumors of an agreement" appeared! A number of publications on the Internet draw attention to the "surprising coincidence" (or connection?) of the surrender of Kherson and a number of sanctions relief from the US, EU...! This is the return of 6 billion to Abramovich ... and the easing of sanctions on the supply of certain types of products, raw materials ...

[PCF]

If Kherson lost 6 lard for the Romkins, then it's scary to think what they will do for those "frozen" 350 lard. I won't be surprised

[Vyacheslav Ermolaev]

The people need to think a little. We started with 250 thousand, from Ukraine there were about 200 thousand. They announced full mobilization and brought the number of troops to 700 thousand. So far, 90 thousand have been sent to the front line. That is, we have 340 against 700. And then he babbles about agreements. Better or and help

[restless]

We would speak honestly, for the sons of Israel ...

[Zoldat_A]

Quote: restless

We would speak honestly, for the sons of Israel ...

Yes, the sons of Israel, perhaps, and not the main factor. There is enough "every t..cook a couple" ... It's not about sidelocks, but about people.

[Silver99]

It would be strange that out of a thousand ammunition, at least a couple will not go to the side, perhaps not only the ammunition, but the installation itself is already in the Russian Design Bureau. There is the most valuable guidance system, although fuel filling is also possible. Fritz BM-13 was captured back in 1941, the launcher itself is impossibly simple, but they could not reveal the composition of the fuel, the trick was in the production technology and mixing of components at the production stage.

[Aerodrome]

they already have our equipment, even the T-90.

[Zoldat_A]

Quote from Silver99

Fritz BM-13 was captured back in 1941, the launcher itself is impossibly simple, but they could not reveal the composition of the fuel, the trick was in the production technology and mixing of components at the production stage.

I suspect that we ourselves are not completely clear on the whole mechanism of the uniqueness of production. After all, as usual, we cannot do without "a sledgehammer and some kind of mother." Where can the Germans figure it out ...

[Eduard Egorov]

The funny thing is, the equipment should be such that it can be repaired by an ordinary person, and not call a whole team to make repairs simple. Therefore, they won the war, that the equipment is repairable.

[Zoldat_A]

Quote: Eduard Egorov

equipment should be such that it can be repaired by an ordinary person, and not call a whole team to make repairs simple. That's why they won the war, that the equipment is repairable.

The first car was a "penny". Once on the track, he took off his pantyhose from his wife, replaced the alternator belt, and got to the nearest store.

And when I bought the first foreign car, I opened the hood - "Yoprst!" ... Some boxes under the hood - there is nowhere to put a screwdriver and there is nothing to tape with blue electrical tape! Yes, it breaks less often. But because of any nonsense - sit, "cook", wait for a tow truck ...
If I were an old woman in Alabama, maybe such maintainability would suit me. But, somehow, this is not our style ...

[stankow]

I didn’t succeed with tights, they flew off. But I got to the first village garage, and there the spent belt rotated a self-made grinder. Removed, donated, returned home successfully

[Warlord]

Yes, it was in the technology of molding checkers with thermite filling and gunpowder. The problem was that for the stability of the reaction, an additive was needed. Fortunately, a cheap replacement was found, and complex presses of one hundred tons were not needed, and the building was 4 floors high. In fact, a pasta press was adapted for the production of stuffing for RS-132. And it was done at a temperature of 900 degrees, so that the gunpowder did not decompose or explode, the additive was necessary. And it is impossible to stop the conveyor for more than 10 minutes. The specifics of production, for this, scientists designers were awarded the Stalin Prize. well deserved

[Zoldat_A]

Quote from warlord

Yes, it was in the technology of molding checkers with thermite filling and gunpowder. The problem was that for the stability of the reaction, an additive was needed. Fortunately, a cheap replacement was found, and complex presses of one hundred tons were not needed, and the building was 4 floors high.

Yes, it is clear that it was not without its own secrets. It’s just that for me, chemistry in the scope of high school is understandable and still respected, and everything that was not explained at school is only to the extent that any kid of my generation knew it in the sense of pyrotechnics.
And about "a sledgehammer and some kind of mother," I mean, because without it, any production is indispensable. In construction, which I have been doing all my life - especially. And then, when I myself was not yet a boss, but a simple installer, sometimes high authorities (my father, in particular) came, turned their heads up and asked: "How did you manage to drag THIS THERE?" Well, here is the answer...

[ARIONkrsk]

Quote: Andrey Nikolaevich

I thought so too, right away!) Good luck and strength to our soldiers. We will not betray you. Take care of yourself and your lives.

We are not, but the daily statements about the negotiations indicate that many in power are ready to betray selfish interests for their own and other rich people.

[nickname7]

daily negotiation statements says

The work of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs is to negotiate.

many in power are ready to betray

Can you tell us the specifics of who ratted us out or are you spitting according to the training manual?
then you + 15 pigs

[Warlord]

let them try, and the soldiers will put up the bayonets of these negotiators. So many people have lost, so that a new beginning. Once started, you need to finish this Nazi bastard to the end.

[AlexTires]

Look at the news feeds... Keywords: oil, fertilizers, sanctions..

[Mikhail Ya2]

Everyone has already forgotten. Now it is more important about missiles. Like Vysotsky:
Maybe better about the reactor,
About your favorite moon tractor?

[Murmur 55]

And I immediately talked about two Caesars, well, those that the self-propelled guns remembered, well, remember? Which are nothing of the sort.

[Boa kaa]

And I immediately remembered Sidewinder, then we got the same one in the Air Force. Yes, and about the Stinger, mined in the mountains of Afghanistan, is also worth forgetting.
I wonder: will the guys get the Hero of Russia, or will history repeat itself here in the same way?

[Vyacheslav Ermolaev]

Do not hang noodles on your ears. In the Soviet Army, MANPADS would have been put into service in 1968

[MBRSS]

Interesting: will the guys get the Hero of Russia ...?

for what? Someone risked their lives, taking out from the battlefield, under fire?

[Nikolaevich I]

Quote: Murmur 55

And I’m talking about two Caesars right away, well, those that are self-propelled guns

It seems that the reports about the "purchase" of the "Caesars" are fake! For reports of their capture somehow quickly faded and have not been repeated for a long time! Moreover, there is no evidence, incl. and photodocs! For example, M777 howitzers were present at a recent exhibition of captured weapons, and earlier they were in the video reports of military correspondents! About the "Caesars" - not a rumor, not a spirit! PS Also, the information about the "purchase" of the HIMARS MLRS turned out to be a clear fake! You can also "remember" the capture of the PzH2000 self-propelled guns ... By the way, somehow there was information about the fall of an unexploded RS on the territory of the DPR ... The message said that the sappers took this RS with them ...

[Bingo]

What the hell are undercover channels? Stupidly bought. Has anyone been knocked out of Zhabelin in the Middle East? So why is it difficult to buy?

[vitvit123]

I’ll even tell you more, most likely no one even bought anything, just another stuffing after Kherson. And why do we especially need it, in the light of the war, I don’t understand ...

[Dimcor]

Keywords from your comment: most likely I do not understand anything.

[vitvit123]

If you attach it to my words in order to cling, then everything is fine, if you explain to me, then I can say the following: this thing has been with the amers for a long time, to make a rocket with a satellite. In general, I consider guidance for our designers a trifling matter. We took it to find a solution to protect stupidity, because. dimensions and other things that are needed from it in this perspective, we know. If we are so stupid and don’t know about the principles on which it works, then you can ask the Belarusians, the Chinese they have an analogue ... for a news hype, it is certainly needed, but from a practical point of view, the news does not mean anything ... here what I wanted to say in words - I do not understand! I don't know if you understood it or not?

[Alexander Salenko]

No, they could have bought it a long time ago, they just throw out the information now. While the kneading of 2015 was still going on, and counter-battery radars disappeared from the Ukrainians, such as they were taken as trophies, even then it was clear how they disappeared. And the fact that this is done to sweeten the pill so do not go to a fortune teller.

[vitvit123]

Read my comments above and answered below..
This is bullshit news, whether or not we purchased these highmars, it won’t give us anything in the context of the ongoing war ..

[Warlord]

Do you want a joke, the Ukrainians themselves sold it , about terrible corruption in the highest headquarters of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. And among the owners of Zelensky, I am not surprised by this fact. Give me more money, they will give away the entire American defense industry with giblets. This is even beneficial to our military-industrial complex, since you can find out the weak points in their weapons. If you give more money, and the mother will be sold.

[vitvit123]

Okay, okay, you even have nothing to say! Everything is bad with them, they are stupid, but we are smart, honest, how cleverly we regroup ..
Honestly, I did not find anything in your comment, which is why I should have written a comment ..

[Boa kaa]

Quote: vitvit123

And why do we especially need it, in the light of the war, I do not understand

" What don't you guys understand?
After all, beauty is only externally pleasing
All cannot be beautiful in the world
And for some reason everyone needs happiness! "- (c)

The author even in the article (for the especially "intelligent" wrote:
-- to find means of combating precision-guided munitions;
- to make a similar "wunderwafer" for yourself, loved ones ...
AHA.

[vitvit123]

Damn, it's hard to articulate..
Well, it's not a super weapon! An ordinary RSZO missile with ZHPS-guidance .. that you really need to touch it with your hands in order to make an air defense system from its protection? I highly doubt it! Make protection against our RSZO (albeit with glonass guidance) and you will have protection against these missiles! I have no doubt that you can pick up a bunch of debris from it if there is suddenly a brilliant molecular composition, etc. ..
Again, what do we need to touch it directly to make a tornado-s (or g)? Is there a strong secret in the launcher? In our country, they wrote like hype news that we had already done something like this a long time ago! How to explain these common truths?
This news, even if it is true, does not mean anything and should be considered in the context of the retreat from Kherson! This is sweet glucose, now such empty news will be enough! So that. .
Stupidity, my opinion ... not much surprised to see exactly your counter-argument ...

Fir-trees-sticks !! f the author wrote for the especially understanding !!! And what is the author of last resort, or what? Or is he probably the smartest? The author wrote !!!... yeah, everything, I'm silent ...

You still listen to our talk shows or where they explain everything to the people .. there, too, straight, experts are authors !! All hockey, regroup!! Even such words, even more surprised ...

So I’ll add it .. it seems that our air defense systems do not work badly against chimeras and it’s unlikely, even if we suddenly acquired it, we’ll just change something in our air defense systems because of them .. over time, of course, there will be upgrades, but not in connection with the acquisition of these chimeras,

[Zoldat_A]

Quote from Bingo

What the hell are undercover channels? Stupidly bought. Has anyone been knocked out of Zhabelin in the Middle East? So why is it difficult to buy?

If we really need that "Chimera" too much for study ...

We throw out three hundred lards to the West - and nothing.
Long ago they would have given a note to the Kyiv newspaper of free ads "I will buy HIMARS. Maybe a little used." And set a good price without being stingy.
The Svidomites themselves will kill both the American instructors and the Polish guards and deliver the missile along with the launcher and a dozen more Javelins as a bonus.
They will also put Arestovich in the load, as we used to put Izvestia in the kiosks with the Literaturnaya Gazeta in the past.

[Andy_nsk]

If we really need that "Chimera" too much for study ...

I think that it is needed, and above all, not even for copying, but for creating electronic warfare equipment. The existing electronic warfare equipment, despite the statements that we are allegedly ahead of the rest, showed their complete helplessness in the defense of the Antonovsky Bridge, although it seemed to me, as an electronic engineer, that the task of suppressing the GPS signal used by the hymers was completely solvable.

[ism_ek]

Quote from Andy_nsk

although it seemed to me, as an electronics engineer, that the task of suppressing the GPS signal used by the hymers was quite solvable.

The main flight correction occurs at the top of the trajectory, which is several tens of kilometers. It's hard to jam the signal there. Although, in the case of the Antonovsky Bridge, 20 ... 30% of the missiles were shot down by electronic warfare.
Why can't we create an analogue? GLONASS accuracy is lower. When it comes to centimeter accuracy, you need tracking stations around the world, powerful computers in the control system and very stable solid rocket engines. The US is much better than this.

[Arigin]

It is not clear about the stability of the engines, how does it affect the accuracy of the hit?

[Andy_nsk]

It is not clear about the stability of the engines, how does it affect the accuracy of the hit?

The main flight correction occurs at the top of the trajectory, which is several tens of kilometers.

If, after the trajectory correction, the engine continues to work, and the correction is no longer performed, then the point of impact will depend on the engine thrust, and if the thrust is unstable, there will be a large spread at the place of arrival. Hymers, judging by the photo of the Antonovsky Bridge, have a spread of hits of only a few meters, our missiles with seeker, as far as I understand, have worse results.

[Warlord]

Verb Truth everything is just like that. They sold everything they could, conscience and order, faith in the Lutheran, I suppose, also passed. And how then to live with such, only one execution without trial or investigation.

[Nikolaevich I]

Quote from Bingo

What the hell are undercover channels? Stupidly bought

There was once a message that during the shelling of a certain "object" in the DPR (I don’t remember which one!) One RS HIMARS did not explode! DPR and RS sappers came and took with them ...

[Murmur 55]

Alex already corrected so you don't have to worry

[AlexTires]

Yeah, I saw ... I'm not worried ...

[evgen1221]

Even commenting on this nonsense about a third country is not willing. All journalistic clichés for the beauty of the style are available.

[rotmistr60]

Sooner or later, but it had to happen. Interest in enemy weapons has always been and will remain. And as the author rightly noted

both an effective system for countering HIMARS missile launchers and their Russian counterparts in terms of the ammunition used may appear

[vitvit123]

What is the interest in the MLRS, albeit with adjustable ammunition?
There are no more normal words ... it's all for Kherson that they smooth it out with such news ...

[U-58]

Too many details for a special operation.
Therefore, it seems that the material is custom-made, or deliberately ostentatious.
Which does not exclude the very fact of receiving ammunition.
I believe that the main thing that will be of interest to designers is the composition of the fuel.
No matter how strong our chemistry of gunpowder is, we still somehow cannot keep up with the West.

[2112vda]

Are you a powder specialist? I would not argue that we cannot keep up with the West in this matter. In what we are seriously lagging behind in the electronic element base.

[U-58]

I am NOT a gunpowder specialist, although I could be.
He studied 45 years ago at the institute in the direction of all kinds of impulse heat engines.
So on topic.
Although I have been working in...
adjacent but different area.
So what's the problem?
The problem, and it has a long history, is in their (gunpowder) energy.
They are great smart people there in the West and all the time they come up with, how should I put it, new tricks, tricks to increase energy.
I will please you: in general, the state with gunpowder and solid fuel for rockets is much better than with radiation-resistant electronics and electronics in general.

[Boa kaa]

Quote: U-58

No matter how strong our chemistry of gunpowder is, we still somehow cannot keep up with the West.

There is such a thing ... And this is immediately evident from the "tail" of the rocket and the speed of its departure to the trajectory. Our TSCs are good, but the Ams have them clearly energy intensive ... unfortunately. And hence the speed, and the range, and the weight to be thrown ...

[Warlord]

Dear, did you also buy about fuel in ballistic missiles over the hill? All these are the developments of the domestic (long-suffering design bureau) Almaz, and other enterprises. All that knowledge has been accumulated is embodied in powerful YARS missiles. And after that, in backwardness, talk about the creation of elemental gunpowder. Yes, you are joking if you did not know how to create gunpowder. Russia would have remained in the era of 1382

[U-58]

Is that what you are writing?
I am not writing about "backwardness" but about lagging behind.
And not about "elementary gunpowder", but about things of a slightly different, higher order.
I'm surprised at you.
It seems that you yourself do not understand what is at stake here.
And leavened patriotism is not an adviser in such a matter.

[Warlord]

No, I’m not a leavened patriot. But apparently I didn’t understand it that way. If it's a matter of lag, alas, this is a fact. But in WWII, the USSR invested mainly in ground-based ground forces and front-line air forces. Tu-2, Pe-2, Il-2, etc. But there were only 78 strategic bombers, EMNIP. That is, we had to compromise, but I think if they had riveted the Pe-8 (ANT-7), the Germans would definitely have taken Stalingrad.
Under Soviet rule, there was a lag (but they quickly caught up), and under the bourgeoisie they still cannot mass-produce Armata. Despite the fact that the IS heavy tank was brought to the level of the best heavy tank in just 2 years. And here Armata is 8 years old, they can’t bring him to his senses properly.

[Vlodek]

and therefore the Americans buy a capsule from us? ah-ah-ah... and we are bast shoes, how can they go down like that?

[Negro]

The fisherman bought these haymars by whole batteries from Ukrainian ensigns, I remember. The garden does not press the column, is modest.

[Architect]

We have chic stands for disassembling ammunition.

[NDR-791]

Quote: Architect

We have chic stands for disassembling ammunition.

I'm more interested in what is written on the leaflet on the left. The fact is that for the very fact of the appearance of such a photo, for example, on our experimental production, the term could be snatched off even in the violent Yeltsin years. And here, here you go...

[Piramidon]

Quote: NDR-791

And here, here you go...

Judging by the surroundings (everything looks somehow miserable), it is far from a fact that this picture was taken in KB. With the same success, the author of the article could take a picture of a disassembled multicooker in his garage. On VO, often the pictures do not correspond to the article.

[Piramidon]

Quote: Architect

We have chic stands for dismantling ammunition

The main thing is that there are screwdrivers and a Chinese multimeter. What else is needed to study the Yankees rocket?

[expert]

Wow, that's exactly what I thought of when I saw the photo...
This is about the stand and other equipment that got into the frame.

[DymOk_v_dYmke]

The network specifies that the American-made rocket has already been delivered to one of the Russian design bureaus, where full access to its “stuffing” has been obtained. This "stuffing" is carefully studied by Russian experts.

Maybe, after a preliminary study, transfer it to the Chinese who can quickly tear everything apart under an agreement to supply clones in serious quantities?

[Nikolay-Nikolaevich]

The Chinese have been flying to the far side of the moon for a long time. They need American junk...

[DymOk_v_dYmke]

Quote: Nikolai-Nikolaevich

The Chinese have been flying to the far side of the moon for a long time. They need American junk...

If this is "junk", then why do we need it? And if it’s not junk for us, then ordering and receiving batches of analogues from China is an order of magnitude faster than mastering production. It is clear that this is a continuation of the worthless policy of "we will sell oil, we will buy everything," but maybe in this case the game is worth the candle.

[Nikolay-Nikolaevich]

To study and understand that all these Hymars are junk ...

[DymOk_v_dYmke]

Quote: Nikolai-Nikolaevich

To study and understand that all these Hymars are junk ...

If only for "study and understanding", then I would send such students / understanders to the front line. To enhance learning and understanding.

[Andy_nsk]

Maybe, after a preliminary study, transfer it to the Chinese who can quickly tear everything apart under an agreement to supply clones in serious quantities?

Pssss ... Why didn't these great Chinese geniuses tear up strategic bombers? Until now, apart from a licensed copy of the Tu-16 (which was produced in the USSR in the 50s of the last century), they have nothing. Yes, and they didn’t work out with aircraft engines, they can’t make a normally working copy, although they have been using the Su-27 and its engines for a long time.

[DymOk_v_dYmke]

Quote from Andy_nsk

Maybe, after a preliminary study, transfer it to the Chinese who can quickly tear everything apart under an agreement to supply clones in serious quantities?

Pssss ... Why didn't these great Chinese geniuses tear up strategic bombers? Until now, apart from a licensed copy of the Tu-16 (which was produced in the USSR in the 50s of the last century), they have nothing. Yes, and they didn’t work out with aircraft engines, they can’t make a normally working copy, although they have been using the Su-27 and its engines for a long time.

Everything is tricky here.
Whatever piece of iron you order on Ali of our production, it will come made in China.
At best, with the label ~ "under the license of our developer". It's already good when our developer receives at least license fees. But (!) Here, at home, he cannot produce or produce profitably!

[Dmitry Ivanov_8]

They changed the Himars missile to the T-90M and the rockets at the beginning of the NWO Torah and Shell.

[Askold65]

And what is there in the T-90MS that the Americans can find out for themselves? Thermal imagers are junk, engines are junk, ammunition is junk. I'm not talking about all other electronics.

[Dmitry Ivanov_8]

In their local "Kubinka" they will put up at least. Ukrainians and photos of the captured CBT were posted. It can be there.

[Ser Vak]

From the same opera as the Caesars. One in the telegram channel let the slapstick go and off we go, even a tweet from Uralvagonzavod was later invented

[huntsman650]

Yesterday, in the summary, the deviation of five himars from the target by means of electronic warfare was announced! Also, a comrade from the place personally saw the explosion of one chimars high in the air without the use of air defense systems.

[Sergej1972]

By the way, I also paid attention to this information. She first appeared in the summary of the Ministry of Defense. But none of the VO commentators paid attention to this news.

[Amateur]

it has been suggested that in the near future it may appear as an effective countermeasure system

What do we have now, the USSR, so that "so immediately" they began to develop something. First, a tender for development will be announced. Then they will study for a long time who will "roll back" more. Then a whole bunch of bosses will announce on TV that no later than 2027 they will start testing the piece of iron. Well, when they test it and are going to launch it in a series, the war will end, and the head will become hopelessly outdated. Alas, however.

[K-36]

SW. namesake under a nickname Amateur [/b. Your post in part "Then they will study for a long time who will "roll back" more. Then a whole bunch of bosses will announce on TV that no later than 2027 they will start testing the piece of iron. Well, when they test it and are going to launch it in a series, the war will end, and the head will become hopelessly outdated. Alas, however" made me ask you a couple of (for starters) questions.
Question 1. At the beginning of the SVO, all readers of this resource practically did not hear anything about the use of loitering ammunition in the database in Ukraine. At the same time, many knew that such ammunition still exists (in particular, ZALA of the Kalashnikov concern). And about the "Gerani" at the beginning of the NWO, no one is a dream or a spirit. But in the last month and a half, these ammunition began to be used [b] massivelywhich is full of videos.
Please comment on what you see as the reason for such a paradoxical fact.
Question 2. In October of this year, Strelkov summed up all his social activities for the period 2014-2022 in a video broadcast. Not exactly, but fundamentally in meaning "Now I have only two ways. 1. I will be imprisoned for my criticism of both the army leadership (and the Army as a whole), and officials of the Higher Political Leadership. 2. I will still be allowed to go to the front."
As is now known, the shooters ended up at the front in a volunteer battalion.
Please comment on this paradoxical fact.
With uv

[Arkady007]

It remains only to establish the production of means of production, restore the normal operation of the design bureau and pay the workers a normal salary.
Exactly such tasks were set by V. Lenin during the GOELRO period.

[Kaufman]

Such a good exchange of achievements! We give them T90, Pantsyri, they give us a rocket! So, what is next!? We have had iPhones for free for 10 years and we cannot reproduce them. Auto prom, etc. Etc. here the author of the article directly managed to scrape together some kind of achievement)))))))

[VAGNER]

Moreover, it is alleged that the ammunition was exported from the territory of Ukraine to Russia through a third country. Which country is in question is not reported.

We will study it ourselves and then send it to Iran, as well as a batch of all sorts of "jwavelins, etc."
Let them study and prepare!
Let's get mattresses. What else do you have there? Maybe put your "Patriots" ukroreykha))))

[OLEG CZIGANOV]

And why no one will ask, where was our intelligence, what are himars, drones for us as a New Year's gift, and where are our systems and installations, why did UAVs begin to develop only now. And as a result, they created a parade army

[Fangaro]

... there is no guarantee that these weapons will not end up with Russia, where they can study the American technologies used for their own use ...
What nonsense!!! Not a single Ukrainian will sell anything for American money and then the opportunity to hide on the other side of the world!
And for how much?
It'S Nothing!
How much how much?
...
How much?

[vladnp]

Judging by the photo, the warhead is being dismantled in some kind of garage

[Nikolay-Nikolaevich]

In a non-explosive area... The chamber is so special!

[UAZ 452]

That's the point. In our design bureaus, there have long been some effective managers and honored grandfathers who need to be reminded of their last name (amers have such a president, but there the safety margin of the system is much greater than ours - they will survive a can). They will disassemble this rocket (if they succeed), write mountains of reports on the number of screws and nuts, eat up all the allocated funding and demand more, but they will definitely not be able to assemble it again, let alone copy it. And countermeasures are as simple as 5 kopecks - you need to have better air defense systems than these missiles, including the operational detection of launches, trained anti-aircraft gunners, and then we are not afraid of any chimeras. But where do you get it all? But with this, the resulting rocket will not help us much.

[iouris]

Send everything to Iran. So it will be sooner.

[Mavrikiy]

the rocket from the Hymars MLRS was received "through undercover channels by the Russian special services." Moreover, it is alleged that the ammunition was taken out from the territory of Ukraine to Russia through a third country.

There was no need to scatter.

[AMG]

Why is the hunt for HIMARS not organized by special forces?

[Magnat231]

Yes, they seem to be guarded and not sickly, so special forces can be put down, but from the air you could try

[AMG]

And why then the special forces? After all, in Soviet times it was intended, among other things, to detect and destroy means of nuclear attack. And this is on foreign territory in Europe.

[Dmitry Karabanov]

I am sure that the Iranian and Chinese comrades are also happy to tumble in "chimeras"!

[Arisaka]

Quote from Andy_nsk

although it seemed to me, as an electronics engineer, that the task of suppressing the GPS signal on which the hymers work is quite solvable

But it is clear that the software is protected from jamming. If the vectoring of the course starts to jump or the signal disappears altogether, it continues to fly along the INS. Even Chinese copters can do it. So by jamming the GPS, you can reduce the accuracy, and even that is not critical. The GPS simply resets the accumulated ANN error. Here the question is about knocking down.

[Magnat231]

When I read local experts here, especially about the capture of someone else's equipment, especially about the fact that there is no photo, maybe you can also tell the bank account where the money was transferred, name the names, who did it, they are real nonsense. And the army of success, and the government of the right decisions.

[TatarinSSSR]

Weird. That is, they take our design bureaus, disassemble it and voila, everything is clear, we begin to make the same ones ... Che, how could it be? Well, then why has the NK still dismantled the Airbuses and their engines, didn’t they spank their own? Volvo, Toyota, Mercy - there are thousands of them, sort it out - I don't want to. iPhones, chips are different.

[Misha bolshoy]

The essence of the intrigue is, will Russian engineers be able to master American technologies 30 years ago?

[Urs]

No need to talk nonsense, dear. The Russian engineering school is still the most advanced for the whole world. There are more questions for the bureaucracy that does not provide proper support, scientific thought. Well, at least take the "flying moped" Geranium, development of the mid-80s, the Antey system "Yes, and" Triumph "to your vaunted American engineers is not at all tough. And just a minute, R&D on the above developments was carried out in 80-90 years.

[IS-80_RVGK2]

Quote: Urs

Geranium, the development of the mid-80s, the Antey system, and the Triumph system, are too tough for your vaunted American engineers.

Is this a joke?

[Urs]

No, this is the reality, unfortunately.

[Urs]

There are a lot of interesting things in the comments, but there are really not so many reasons for research.
Yes, to find an algorithm of work and opportunities to counteract the guidance system. In short, an adjustment to the operation of our electronic warfare.
And yes, there are many interesting questions about fuel and engines. I think there is nothing more interesting there, because the Tornado is almost a complete analogue of the Chimera, but there are nuances how it heats up.
For "Caesar" the questions are approximately the same., Plus a question for the altimeter of the fuse, and so we have a "krasnopol" but again there are nuances.
But there is a main problem, as in my opinion, the saturation of the troops with modern close-range systems with high accuracy, and the trouble is, it’s the specialists who can work on all this.
Here you can mix both UAV spotters and UAV reconnaissance and UAV drummers.
In general, there are many problems, such interesting trophies will help us speed up the solution of these problems.

[Duncan]

It's unlikely to do anything. You can buy an iPhone or Xiaomi, but there is no equipment to produce at least some pain-less complex part from it. And most importantly, the authorities do nothing to make it happen. That is why our only Nobel laureate in electronics was not elected at the time.

[Anadyrean]

I know this third country. This is Novokozyulandia.

[Georgy Sviridov_2]

Well, we have had similar missiles for g / s tornado installations a long time ago. But in terms of the work of the reb, this is interesting of course.

[Expert2017]

I suggest that they take out the MLRS from Belarus))) It will be better there. China doesn't lie.

[Alex priest]

"In August 2020, at the Army-2020 forum, the Tornado-S guided (corrected by glonass / gps) projectile was shown in action. The new ammunition retained the dimensions of the previous 300 mm caliber projectiles. The ammunition received four rudders and a tail unit with produced stabilizers ."

[Eug]

"Several batches of such MLRS and thousands of missiles for them"

Something is not very hard to believe in "thousands of missiles". If there really are "thousands", then there is no need to talk about any effectiveness in the fight against the logistics of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. And the weapon is really effective, by no means subject to panic and at the same time well-informed people talk about very accurate
action on the communication nodes of the "allied forces".

[BoriZ.K]

1 Himars installation with full BC was captured by the RF Armed Forces in August

[Alex D_2]

And our equipment, abandoned, they have. So, what is here, what is there, the warriors do not act reasonably, leaving the technique to the enemy for study.

[Warlord]

there is simply nothing interesting for them there for the special services of the CIA. I'm starting to understand why Armata was not sent, just to keep the secrets of the technology. Otherwise, all production would have to be shut down by fucking dogs. The media is the horror of society, and, alas, it does not work in favor of Russia.

[panzerfaust]

As I expected, we ourselves cannot create such a thing, we will copy it like the Chinese.

[Urs]

You are completely wrong in assuming
Read the forum, it says a lot for what and why and what we have and what we don’t. What our “sworn” partners do not have and what they are still not at all “too tough” in terms of engineering.

[Misha bolshoy]

Quote: IS-80_RVGK2

Geranium, development of the mid-80s, the Antey system and the Triumph

"Geranium" is a "shaheed" copied by the Iranians from the United States. Air defense, electronic warfare, perhaps everything that is better in the Russian Federation, simply because the partners did not see either modern aviation or satellites from the enemy and there was no reason to progress. Delivery vehicles for nuclear weapons: in fact, a big black box, no one knows what is inside and how much can fly on its own.