Voenkor Kots showed footage of the blown up Antonovsky bridge in Kherson

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Voenkor Kots showed footage of the blown up Antonovsky bridge in Kherson

The Russian armed forces have completed the withdrawal of personnel and military equipment from the right bank of the Dnieper River, including the city of Kherson. The troops are withdrawn to the left bank of the river with the intention of organizing a line of defense along the Dnieper.

Antonovsky bridge across the Dnieper, the largest in the region, was blown up during the withdrawal of troops. Apparently, this was done in order to prevent a breakthrough of Ukrainian formations on the left bank of the Dnieper in the Kherson region.



Footage of the blown up automobile Antonovsky bridge опубликовал in his Telegram channel, war correspondent Alexander Kots. They show that two spans of the bridge were blown up. Now the movement on the road bridge is not possible. This is also confirmed by the video that we publish below: the military commissar explains to a local resident who has arrived on a bicycle that he will no longer be able to cross to the other side of the Dnieper over this bridge.

The military commissar says that there are no Russian troops on the right bank of the Dnieper. Most of the residents of Kherson and the surrounding settlements who wanted to evacuate also managed to move to the left bank of the river. But Ukrainian formations have not yet approached the bridge across the Dnieper.

It should be noted that there were no official reports about the explosion of the Antonovsky bridge. But a number of both Russian and Ukrainian Telegram channels reported about the explosion of the structure on the night of Friday, November 11th. Last night it was also reported that Ukrainian troops fired at the area of ​​the crossing across the Dnieper from the HIMARS MLRS.

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  1. +11
    11 November 2022 13: 15
    Interestingly, heavy military equipment moved along the damaged bridge, and then it was blown up.
    1. +8
      11 November 2022 13: 36
      Quote: tralflot1832
      Interestingly, heavy military equipment moved along the damaged bridge, and then it was blown up.

      Yes, there is something bad going on here.
      1. +3
        11 November 2022 13: 43
        Wiped the nose of the Chimeras, showed how to work.
      2. +1
        11 November 2022 13: 50
        Now the Archangels of the special forces intrigued me with a photo of Almaty.
      3. AAK
        +3
        11 November 2022 15: 38
        The phrase in the article was especially pinned - a bridge of the type was blown up to prevent the Ukrainian troops from advancing on it ... interestingly, will we also leave the dam of the Kakhovskaya hydroelectric power station to Bandera right up to "the left bank"? We’ll put up a checkpoint with a barrier, or we’ll still blow up the dam, otherwise the evil Banders will break through it like a bridge to the left bank, and then onto the train and into the Crimea ...
    2. +4
      11 November 2022 13: 46
      Quote: tralflot1832
      Interestingly, heavy military equipment moved along the damaged bridge, and then it was blown up.

      I looked at several photos, but there are no spans for sure, but the supports seem to have not been damaged.
      1. -4
        11 November 2022 14: 09
        When Saloreikh blew up bridges during the retreat, our channels squealed about the difficulties for the local population to cross, now ours are undermining bridges .... I wonder how the first channel will present this? The grandfather from the video above is very upset that he cannot get home ... he is a local ... a Russian ..., and those were Ukrainian citizens in the spring ...
        Propaganda fool...
        Who cares - spring shots:
        In order to provide humanitarian assistance to the population... for 1-52 minutes
    3. +9
      11 November 2022 15: 10
      Quote: tralflot1832
      Interestingly, heavy military equipment moved along the damaged bridge, and then it was blown up.

      And what is most interesting, the bridge turned out to be suitable for retreat, but completely unsuitable for supplying troops .... So maybe it’s not about bridges?
  2. 0
    11 November 2022 13: 16
    There were no official announcements. The bridge was blown up unofficially.
    1. +4
      11 November 2022 13: 33
      Quote: iouris
      There were no official announcements

      Not blown up, but for safety and preparation for repairs explosively dismantled several damaged spans due to damage after shelling by American HIMARS. It was possible to drag cranes to the Crimean bridge and remove the damaged spans, but here only by explosive means.
    2. +10
      11 November 2022 13: 36
      And as usual officially bridges are blown up? What papers need to be filled out? Where?
  3. +2
    11 November 2022 13: 17
    Most of the residents of Kherson and the surrounding settlements who wanted to evacuate also managed to move to the left bank of the river

    And the smaller part covers the retreat?
  4. +11
    11 November 2022 13: 17
    Maybe I don’t understand something, but there are whole bridges upstream of the Dnieper and the Armed Forces of Ukraine are located there on the left bank, why should they cross in the Kherson region? In addition, the Kakhovskaya hydroelectric power station, in the event of destruction, will quickly flood the left side, which will force us to retreat even deeper.
    1. +26
      11 November 2022 13: 21
      We are waiting for a new "Bucha", now from Kherson.
      Even if there is nothing, they will find it.
      To be honest, I gradually read less and less about the special operation. We must protect health.
    2. -1
      11 November 2022 13: 32
      The bridge was blown up so that they would not cross the river and attack the left bank, so not only the Armed Forces of Ukraine, but also ours will withdraw troops from there.
      More than two grandfathers struck me in Kots's video. So they approached and contritely look at the blown-up bridge. And so for them, apparently, it’s OK to move from our shore to the land.
      1. +4
        11 November 2022 15: 49
        And so for them, apparently from our shore to dry land, it’s ok to move

        You will also look at the videos from the telegram, how everyone on the other side began to jump and hang out their flags again

        This is still March 21 footage, liberated Kherson, even then they were waiting for the arrival of the sun
    3. -10
      11 November 2022 13: 32
      It’s just that Kherson, after the damage to the bridges, became a suitcase without a handle for the Russian Federation ... so they came up with an excuse to merge ...
    4. +7
      11 November 2022 13: 35
      Well, the bridges had to be blown up for order.

      South of Kakhovka there will be a line along the Dnieper with minimal forces (the Armed Forces of Ukraine will probably remove both mechanized brigades, marines + 60 brigade, closing there with TRO / National Guard and light units with low mobility). Perhaps some butting for the Kingbur Spit and reserves, purely to ensure control from the sea and the formal 100% return of the Nikolaev region. However, small forces, because both sides will have problems with logistics.

      Behind the dam, cutting is likely. Again, it is tactically important to keep the structure. For the surrender of the dam will make it possible to play with the level of the river, cut off the fence of the Crimean canal from the water, and in which case, through the dam, immediately establish supplies for the bridgehead, reinforcements on tanks, according to the same methodology as it works now (filled with locks).

      Winter operations will probably take place in the wooded area of ​​the Luhansk region or in the Zaporozhye direction. The result will be who and how will be able to use the significant released forces (the Armed Forces of Ukraine have 2 good mechanized brigades + a well-fed 60 with a bunch of combat experience, which, in fact, is a motorcycle mech brigade on VABs, M113, BMPhs with captured tanks + marines + a significant amount of artillery , for Surovikin these are the surviving remnants of the pre-war professional contract army and the Airborne Forces).
      1. +2
        11 November 2022 14: 11
        Very high-quality regiments have been formed and continue to train on the basis of "effective" troops)))) don't worry ...
    5. -4
      11 November 2022 14: 34
      where are the bridges? which one doesn't work anymore
      1. 0
        11 November 2022 15: 22
        Zaporozhye, Krivoy Rog, Dnepropetrovsk, Kyiv not?
  5. +6
    11 November 2022 13: 19
    Well, for the first time since February 24, the AFRF blew up the bridge across the Dnieper, hurray!
    1. -2
      11 November 2022 13: 52
      In the cart they are already reassuring that in the Zaporozhye region. Evacuation is not required ... if there is an Evacuation in a month, then everything is logical ..
  6. +6
    11 November 2022 13: 21
    And it turns out that bridges can be blown up belay
    1. +10
      11 November 2022 13: 34
      Yours - as much as you like. Who will allow you to carry out mine-explosive work in the rear of the Armed Forces of Ukraine?
      1. +9
        11 November 2022 13: 48
        Lack of permission does not interfere with Ukrainian DRGs.
        1. -1
          11 November 2022 14: 28
          So they don’t ask, lack of culture.
  7. +19
    11 November 2022 13: 22
    Why did they give Kherson to the enemy? Our troops are indicated by almost 40 thousand people and about 90 thousand of Vushniks. In Kharkiv, they fought with the ratio of ours to the enemy as 1k9, and here 1 to 2,5 dryer comes out! So why did they surrender Kherson in reality?
    1. +20
      11 November 2022 13: 24
      Everyone who publicly asked this question "accidentally" got into an accident and was awarded upon the fact of earthly life (((((
      1. -3
        11 November 2022 13: 34
        Blow up spans, why not support?
        I’m embarrassed to ask, they write about the withdrawal of troops and equipment, but about ammunition (of which there are probably thousands of tons), nothing is reported about their destruction ...?
      2. -2
        11 November 2022 13: 35
        Quote from Silver99
        Everyone who publicly asked this question "accidentally" got into an accident and was awarded upon the fact of earthly life (((((

        Come on, Stremousov, even if he disagreed with something, he was a systematic person. And by the way, together with the administration, he left for the left bank a long time ago.
        1. +4
          11 November 2022 13: 50
          But he raised the issue of Shoigu and one bullet in the barrel. But Shoigu is not a samurai, is he? Why do we need such savage customs?
    2. -12
      11 November 2022 13: 42
      Quote: Thrifty
      In Kharkiv, they fought with the ratio of ours to the enemy as 1d9


      Do you really believe in it? laughing
      1. -3
        11 November 2022 14: 40
        Lavandero, since when have we suddenly been on "you"? Such numbers were not announced by me, their uncles with large shoulder straps called them, so I repeated them!
      2. -3
        11 November 2022 15: 45
        10 Russians for every Svidomo. So nicer?
    3. 0
      11 November 2022 13: 44
      Quote: Thrifty
      Why did they give Kherson to the enemy? Let the Kremlin storytellers tell their stories about the innumerable host of the enemy.

      Let's try to figure it out bit by bit, here's one such piece, what I found I'll put in a comment, maybe it will help, there is a field for thought:
      Director of the Institute - RUSSTRAT Elena Panina believes that the activation of the oligarchy in Russia against the backdrop of the SVO is not accidental. Representatives of the offshore aristocracy understand that, in fact, they have no more than six months left before the inevitable event occurs - the nationalization of assets.
      "Every day, the NVO brings the inevitability of nationalization closer, and the oligarchy is doing everything to prevent it. The longer the NVO lasts, the fewer such opportunities. This means that pressure on the government towards a separate world will only increase, and it will only come from a large financial raw capital. It aims for a transfer-2024, which will maintain its position"

      Political strategist Marat Bashirov, in fact, echoes this:
      Yesterday a friend said: we are in Ukraine as far as the fight of our elites allows us. We could have Kyiv, but patriotic forces are not enough for this, - the expert noted. - Therefore, we are where it is achievable today. The nationalization of the elites took place only partially, and that's partly advanced.
      1. +7
        11 November 2022 14: 01
        In principle, there was no nationalization of the elites, just as the bourgeois were in power, they remained.
    4. 0
      11 November 2022 14: 32
      Everything is very simple. We don't have an army to fight. Our army for parades, biathlons and ostentatious exercises. Don't you understand it yet? SVO put everything in its place. And Ukraine is already de facto in NATO. Although I have somewhere deeply preserved the hope for a miracle, but miracles do not happen.
    5. +2
      11 November 2022 16: 07
      Why did they give Kherson to the enemy? Tales of the innumerable army

      Technically - the constant onslaught of the APU + problems with logistics, which would be aggravated with the appearance of ice on the Dnieper

      In reality, holding the right bank apparently cost completely unacceptable losses in l / s and the consumption of military equipment. The management, unlike the turbopatriots, no longer wants to play this game, the once fun idea has become life-threatening

      Those who planned the NWO did not assume the outbreak of war, otherwise they would not have dared to attack. With the start of a total war, the whole idea of ​​​​joining the outskirts at once lost its meaning, back in early March

      All that was almost 9 months - attempts to find a way out of the game, so that no one noticed that the grandfather had done his best. There are no good exits, you have to make the most unpopular decisions

      There is no betrayal and agreement, the grandfather initially proposed an impossible plan, which was supported by many. Now they are surprised at the logical results that they are retreating from everywhere and no one needs this foreign land
  8. 0
    11 November 2022 13: 28
    Humanists.
    If only they had guessed to pull the rope across the roadway!
  9. 0
    11 November 2022 13: 29
    Kots made a mistake behind him, one collapsed span and a neighboring support are visible. Two full spans collapsed further through part of the survivors, a total of 3 spans collapsed.
    Do not believe the words of journalists, believe what you see.
    The further fate of the Kakhovskaya hydroelectric power station is interesting, so far they also write about some kind of explosions, but it is hard to believe that the gateway covered with rubble can somehow be "disabled".
    1. -1
      11 November 2022 13: 43
      Quote: Victor29
      Kots made a mistake behind him, one collapsed span and a neighboring support are visible. Two full spans collapsed further through part of the survivors, a total of 3 spans collapsed.
      Do not believe the words of journalists, believe what you see.
      The further fate of the Kakhovskaya hydroelectric power station is interesting, so far they also write about some kind of explosions, but it is hard to believe that the gateway covered with rubble can somehow be "disabled".

      There, too, the bridge to the right bank left the chat.
  10. +1
    11 November 2022 13: 31
    Voenkor Kots showed footage of the blown up Antonovsky bridge in Kherson

  11. +3
    11 November 2022 13: 31
    Well done, heroes, to all those who distinguished themselves in the order!
    1. +3
      11 November 2022 13: 39
      Two orders! For each flight on the order!
  12. +1
    11 November 2022 13: 34
    The information is confirmed by the military commander, a fighter of the Vostok brigade Vladlen Tatarsky
    .
    "We met the last column of paratroopers and drove away. Closer to dawn, the earth trembled, and our car jumped. It was the engineers who put an end to the fate of the Antonovsky Bridge.",
    The Armed Forces of Ukraine repeatedly fired at the Antonovsky Bridge from the HIMARS MLRS, but until that moment, movement continued along it.
  13. -2
    11 November 2022 13: 36
    Ukrainians have been preparing for this WAR for 8 years!
    And we staged parades, fireworks and sawed the budget and not only the military!
    As a result, the Ukrainians are fully staffed (largely thanks to Western support), and they buy armor mobilized from us!

    For 8 months we have not even reached the borders of the DPR (Ukrainians, 20 km from Donetsk, have remained as they were !!!) and the LPR.

    Mariupol is the only victory, and even then I think because it is the result of suddenness and surprise for the Ukrainians.

    They took the only regional city without a fight and just gave it away without a fight!

    So I don’t know what to think about ... who is to blame for the death of our soldiers !!!???
    1. -1
      11 November 2022 15: 26
      Even what would be enough. If you use it correctly, and not play "nobility" bordering on idiocy.
    2. AAK
      +1
      11 November 2022 15: 47
      Do not be upset, colleague, 3-4 months ago the ratio of "-" to "+" according to your comment would have been 10 to 1, and now it is 8 to 6, there are more sober-minded people, and the number of yagupops is declining, I am already a heroic patriot Gonzalez I don’t see a week on VO ...
  14. -7
    11 November 2022 13: 38
    In "The Good Soldier Schweik" there was also a character, like Lieutenant Katz, drunk all the time wassat
    1. +3
      11 November 2022 14: 00
      feldkurat Katz, the classics must be remembered. it was Lukasz who was the lieutenant.
  15. -2
    11 November 2022 13: 50
    what Here! We can cut the logistics infrastructure whenever we want. There, to the sources of the Dnieper, there are many more bridges. They should also be blown up - for a successful ... feel
  16. -1
    11 November 2022 13: 53
    And at this time:
    1. The Antonovsky bridge in Kherson was not blown up, the head of the government of the Kherson region Sergey Eliseev told Interfax.
    “The Antonov Bridge has not been blown up. He is in the same condition,” he said.

    2. “No,” Peskov replied when asked if he agreed that the withdrawal of troops from Kherson was humiliating for Russian President Vladimir Putin.
  17. -1
    11 November 2022 13: 53
    Unfortunately, 230 kilometers to the northeast, no bridges of the Armed Forces of Ukraine are needed anymore.
  18. -1
    11 November 2022 14: 02
    Guys, don't worry! But today they will show us how the tricolor was raised over some captured village.
    Although, the scale bothers me for some reason: we walk forward half a village a week, and "relocate" half a region for a couple of days (Kyiv, Poltava. Sumy, Donetsk, Kherson). The trend though...
  19. +1
    11 November 2022 14: 03
    I have a question about the local population. Have they all left? In the same place, in a referendum, the absolute majority voted for joining the Russian Federation! many managed to obtain citizenship in a simplified manner! Everyone knows each other, and what do those who remain hope for? I don’t ask about vouchers with the right to buy housing in any city of the Russian Federation - there are stories when the participants of the Second World War are still waiting ...
    1. +1
      11 November 2022 14: 39
      Quote: Kasatik
      In the same place, in a referendum, the absolute majority voted for joining the Russian Federation!

      The Zhduns boycotted the referendum, and they stayed, the same thing is interesting - will they be recorded in the separatists?
  20. +2
    11 November 2022 14: 04
    That is, we were able to send almost 50 thousandth grouping to the left bank in a couple of days by crossings, but it was not possible to supply them with the same crossings? The country's leadership considers the people to be idiots, they would have driven hundreds of boats there and delivered BC and everything else around the clock, the entire supply of US Himars missiles would not be enough. It's a deal and a betrayal
    1. -2
      11 November 2022 15: 27
      Quote: Shamil88
      That is almost 50 thousandth group in a couple of days we were able to send crossings to the left bank

      Information from where? From Svidomo camel?
      1. AAK
        +2
        11 November 2022 15: 55
        Even if not 50000, but 20000 or 30000, what does this fundamentally change about what was said by colleague Shamil88? Nothing, so you don’t have to be smart ... Instead of expanding the bridgehead beyond Kherson at the very beginning of the NMD to ensure the offensive on Nikolaev and, later, on Odessa, to exclude the possibility of shelling the city and the bridge from the hydroelectric power station, the military began to pull the reins , then they quickly held a grain deal and a referendum, and then they handed over the city and the bridgehead for the real sake of selfish interests, and only the generals led by the Fireman were smeared in guano, but His Serene Highness and his beloved "lover of the negotiation process" are all in white ...
        1. 0
          11 November 2022 16: 40
          What kind of 20-30-50 thousand are we talking about? There, about a thousand fighters kept the defense for five months without rotation.
      2. -2
        11 November 2022 15: 57
        Quote: 30 vis
        Quote: Shamil88
        That is almost 50 thousandth group in a couple of days we were able to send crossings to the left bank

        Information from where? From Svidomo camel?

        And I understood .. From the cissus camel .. Chi of the Israeli camel!
  21. +1
    11 November 2022 14: 04
    Significant event. This is not only the destruction of the bridge, it is the "overthrow of
    from Olympus", the disappearance of Russia as a great power. There is no more great Russia, the successor of the USSR, there is a backward country of the third world - the "gas station" of Europe and China.
    1. +2
      11 November 2022 14: 15
      Quote from Ronrew
      Significant event. This is not only the destruction of the bridge, it is the "overthrow of
      from Olympus", the disappearance of Russia as a great power. There is no more great Russia, the successor of the USSR, there is a backward country of the third world - the "gas station" of Europe and China.

      Before, I would have argued and quarreled with you, but now that is what is. It's sad of course. It’s interesting how they will celebrate on May 9, what speeches to speak, how to look into the eyes.
      1. +5
        11 November 2022 14: 38
        Periodically, parades of the armed forces of all Nicaragua, Honduras, etc. are shown on television. (very colorful, by the way), the leaders of these countries also talk a lot about the greatness of their powers, and the people are proud of their countries, why is that - the same thing awaits us. It sucks to say this, but you feel relieved that most WWII veterans have left this world and do not see today's shame.
      2. AAK
        +3
        11 November 2022 15: 58
        So there are experienced guys, absolutely everything is "God's dew" at the expense of their eyes, and the ostentatious parades will easily play ...
    2. +2
      11 November 2022 14: 25
      Quote from Ronrew
      "gas station" of Europe and China.

      And "With the economy torn to shreds"
    3. -4
      11 November 2022 15: 30
      Quote from Ronrew
      There is no more great Russia, the successor of the USSR, there is a backward country of the third world

      Don't tell son gop! Until you jump! Understood ? ! Burialer of the Great Power of Russia. Russia will dance at the funeral of Israel and the USA ...
      1. -1
        11 November 2022 15: 45
        Especially for you, I will repeat my comment from another topic: "Well, another stage of the NWO has ended and we can draw some conclusions and make a forecast for the future: 1) the right-bank part of the Kherson region, recently declared part of the Russian Federation, was abandoned; 2) the Black Sea Fleet is locked up for its main base in Sevastopol; 3) the words about the denationalization and demilitarization of Ukraine are forgotten; 4) the words popular before the start of the NWO are forgotten - "a terrible end is better than fear without end", the latter option is more precisely chosen; 5) a world humiliating for Russia is being prepared with withdrawal of troops to the line as of February 23 of this year with the payment of reparations to Ukraine from the funds of those arrested abroad; 6) peace for a couple of years, during which the PMR will disappear; 7) NATO intervention and troubled times.
        1. -5
          11 November 2022 15: 56
          Sonny! It seems so to you ... Cross yourself ... The cips hassle will subside ... Also, I’m an analyte for krizhopel ..chi z berdychiva ....
          1. -1
            11 November 2022 21: 46
            O ! Sons of krizhopels are minus .. Chi of ashdods? ... So he hit, poured salt and hot pepper into the back portal ... Boo ha ha !!!! Hooray !
  22. -2
    11 November 2022 14: 31
    Quote: tralflot1832
    then it was blown up.

    Benderok is now squealing, bastards rejoice, bastards write, they say, so soon we will start bombing Rostov.

    But seriously, those who are in pink dreams about a special, separate from the world backstage, the path of our Great Russia, again got their finger into their gluteus.
    It would seem, where is the old senile Biden with the elections, and the new English prime minister a Hindu, and where is the Russian Kherson.
    And here is where, our country is so deeply embedded in the world economy that it becomes scary.
    Not subjugated, but firmly embedded.
    We were forced to carry out grain dues, because. wheat from Ukraine, still in the fields, was bought by large American agricultural holdings.
    In the elections in the filthy states, they tampered with the victory of the pro-Biden clique, blew up the Antonov bridge, and so on.
    https://t.me/georgy_ma/510

    "Apparently the GDP agreed to the same deal that was offered to the GDP by the people who removed Johnson from the Truss, and who put in Sunak, the same people who correctly distributed districts in the USA and who correctly tweaked the electronic voting machines."
  23. 0
    11 November 2022 14: 47
    With this bridge, everything was clear for a long time. And what about the dense Kakhovskaya hydroelectric power station? There the Dnieper is much narrower and the destruction of that crossing is simply necessary!
  24. 0
    11 November 2022 14: 48
    Why didn't they dismantle the ferry crossing?
  25. +2
    11 November 2022 14: 57
    That's how to destroy all the bridges across the Dnieper over which the APU reserves are transferred.
  26. 0
    11 November 2022 15: 30
    But to destroy the bridges upstream by splitting Ukraine in half and cutting off the Armed Forces of Ukraine from the supply of Western weapons, or at least can it be greatly reduced and complicated? Or how?
    Of course, I didn’t graduate from the Academy of the General Staff, maybe that’s why I don’t understand. Can someone explain to me why that is?
  27. -1
    11 November 2022 15: 48
    Quote: Shamil88
    That is, we were able to send almost 50 thousandth grouping to the left bank in a couple of days by crossings, but it was not possible to supply them with the same crossings?

    50 group? Seriously? I heard that about a thousand fighters defended that bridgehead.
  28. +2
    11 November 2022 16: 15
    It’s a pity for the volunteers and mobilized believers in Russia, why die for if then everyone surrenders without a fight, by agreements between the oligarchs?
  29. 0
    11 November 2022 16: 18
    The Russian army heroically left Kherson... Keep it up! There is still a little left to the border with Russia ...
  30. 0
    11 November 2022 16: 58
    Kherson shows that logistics is important. Mobilized can be used to create logistical problems for Ukraine. Ukraine can be ousted from the Donbass and Kharkiv. You need to occupy two areas. First, these are areas west of Kharkov and north of Poltava. The second is the area west of the Dnieper and south of Pavlograd. The current logistics of Ukraine is from Zaporozhye, to the Dnieper, to Poltava, to Kharkov. After both areas are captured, the logistics of Ukraine from the Dnieper to Poltava. It may be under artillery control. This is better than cutting Ukraine's logistics from Belarus to Lvov.
    1. +2
      11 November 2022 17: 43
      Quote: agond

      agond
      Today, 13: 34
      -2
      I’m embarrassed to ask, they write about the withdrawal of troops and equipment, but about ammunition (of which there are probably thousands of tons), nothing is reported about their destruction ...?

      It seems that the question turned out to be from the category of inconvenient times for which they put minuses.

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