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Armenia buys a batch of Indian self-propelled howitzers MArG 155 - BR on a 4x4 wheeled chassis

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Armenia buys a batch of Indian self-propelled howitzers MArG 155 - BR on a 4x4 wheeled chassis

Armenia is becoming a regular buyer of Indian weapons, following the Pinaka multiple launch rocket systems, Yerevan is purchasing a batch of the latest ArG (Multi-terrain Artillery Gun) 155-BR self-propelled howitzers on a 4x4 wheeled chassis. This is reported by the Indian media.


The new howitzer was developed by the Indian company Bharat Forge Limited, part of the Kalyani Group industrial group, and was first introduced in December 2021 as a prototype. It is positioned as the "only in the world" 155-mm artillery system with a barrel length of 39 calibers, mounted on a 4x4 vehicle. The artillery base is a gun developed by the Indian company Kalyani Strategic Systems Limited based on the ULH light towed howitzer, which is actually an unlicensed copy of the M777 from BAE Systems. The howitzer is capable of using all available ammunition of 155 mm caliber, firing range - 24 km.

The gun is placed on the chassis of an Indian-made Ashok Leyland Mk 4 military truck, the armored cab is designed for 5 people. Carried ammunition - 18 shots, gross weight - 18 tons. The time to bring the ACS into combat position in position is 1,5 minutes during the day and 2 minutes at night.

Armenia will receive an unnamed number of MArG 155-BR howitzers within three years, other details of the contract were not disclosed.

Earlier, Yerevan signed a contract for the supply of an unnamed number of Indian-made 214-mm Pinaka MLRS capable of delivering strikes at a range of 70 km. In 2020, Armenia purchased four Swathi Weapon Locating Radar (WLR) ground-based radar stations for detecting artillery positions from India.
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Kalyani Strategic Systems Limited
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  1. Viktor Sergeev
    Viktor Sergeev 11 November 2022 12: 14
    -11
    They buy junk for the sake of buying, and of course kickbacks.
    1. neworange88
      neworange88 11 November 2022 12: 19
      +2
      Well, why immediately junk and kickbacks? laughingWe are developing something similar. I hope they will speed up and establish mass production and quickly.


      SAU "Malva":
      Main gun caliber: 152 mm
      Number of wheels: 8 pieces
      Number of driving wheels: 8 pieces
      Engine power: 470 horsepower
      Number of forward gears: 9
      Maximum speed on the highway: 80 km / h
      Highway range: 1000 kilometers


      And although some experts saw certain similarities between the "Malva" and the wheeled self-propelled guns "Coalition-SV", however, these are different combat vehicles with their own range of tasks. First of all, Malva is cheaper than Coalition, which will allow it to be purchased for the Russian army on a larger scale in the future. Thus, the Russian armed forces will be able to significantly reduce the number of towed artillery and obsolete self-propelled guns such as Akatsiya and Gvozdika. In terms of its combat power, "Malva" corresponds rather to the tracked self-propelled guns "Msta-S". However, the wheeled "Malva" will be able to move quickly along with mobile formations and support them on the battlefield.


      . This ACS is being developed by the Central Research Institute "Petrel" as part of the development work "Sketch". The base of "Malva" is the tractor of the Bryansk Automobile Plant BAZ-6010-02. The main armament is presented in the form of a 152-mm 2A64 cannon, which is installed on the Msta-S self-propelled guns. However, the main gun can be replaced with its upgraded version. Mortars with smoke grenades were installed on the roof of the cabin to create a smoke screen.

      https://anna-news.info/malva-novaya-kolesnaya-sau-rossii/
      1. Aaron Zawi
        Aaron Zawi 11 November 2022 12: 32
        0
        Quote from: neworange88
        Well, why immediately junk and kickbacks? laughingWe are developing something similar. I hope they will speed up and establish mass production and quickly.


        SAU "Malva":
        Main gun caliber: 152 mm
        Number of wheels: 8 pieces
        Number of driving wheels: 8 pieces
        Engine power: 470 horsepower
        Number of forward gears: 9
        Maximum speed on the highway: 80 km / h
        Highway range: 1000 kilometers

        Now, with the increase in the range of fire damage from self-propelled guns, many are switching to wheels. Here is AOI...
        1. neworange88
          neworange88 11 November 2022 12: 34
          +1
          Looks heavy. How much does it weigh?
          1. Murmur 55
            Murmur 55 11 November 2022 12: 42
            +3
            neworange88 hi, I would add what is the off-road patency.
          2. Aaron Zawi
            Aaron Zawi 11 November 2022 12: 47
            0
            Quote from: neworange88
            Looks heavy. How much does it weigh?

            https://cyclowiki.org/wiki/SIGMA
        2. svp67
          svp67 11 November 2022 13: 50
          +2
          Quote: Aron Zaavi
          Here is AOI...

          What battleship did you take it from? )))
          Even our "Coalition-SV" does not look so menacing
          1. Aaron Zawi
            Aaron Zawi 11 November 2022 14: 25
            0
            Quote: svp67
            Quote: Aron Zaavi
            Here is AOI...

            What battleship did you take it from? )))
            Even our "Coalition-SV" does not look so menacing

            "Gloomy Jewish Fantasy". tongue
            All by yourself.
            1. svp67
              svp67 11 November 2022 14: 34
              +2
              Quote: Aron Zaavi
              "Gloomy Jewish Fantasy"

              good laughing drinks
              1. Aaron Zawi
                Aaron Zawi 11 November 2022 16: 18
                0
                Quote: svp67
                Quote: Aron Zaavi
                "Gloomy Jewish Fantasy"

                good laughing drinks

                In general, we are also transferring MLRS to the Oshkosh base.

                Today, when everyone has already understood the importance of logistics, this is a completely justified decision.
                1. svp67
                  svp67 11 November 2022 16: 47
                  0
                  Quote: Aron Zaavi
                  In general, we are also transferring MLRS to the Oshkosh base.

                  Well, you won’t surprise us with this, our MLRS are now all on a wheelbase. But yours is interesting, whose missiles does it have? It's clearly not American.
                  1. Aaron Zawi
                    Aaron Zawi 11 November 2022 16: 52
                    0
                    Quote: svp67
                    Quote: Aron Zaavi
                    In general, we are also transferring MLRS to the Oshkosh base.

                    Well, you won’t surprise us with this, our MLRS are now all on a wheelbase. But yours is interesting, whose missiles does it have? It's clearly not American.

                    So this is "RULS". She is modular.

                    The photo looks like with EXTRA modules.
                    Our missiles.

                    Like the original, PULS can be placed on various chassis, according to customer requirements. 2 standard containers are placed on the PU, each of which includes:
                    18 AccuLAR-122 ("Romakh") caliber 122 mm and a range of up to 35 km;
                    10 AccuLAR-160 ("Kidon Kasum") caliber 160 mm and a range of up to 40 km;
                    4 EXTRA caliber 306 mm and a range of up to 150 km;
                    2 Predator Hawk ("Nets Dores") caliber 370 mm and a range of up to 300 km.

                    1. Timur_kz
                      Timur_kz 11 November 2022 22: 34
                      0
                      I didn't see it, does it load containers by itself? There seems to be a lift.
                      1. Aaron Zawi
                        Aaron Zawi 11 November 2022 23: 49
                        -1
                        Quote: Timur_kz
                        I didn't see it, does it load containers by itself? There seems to be a lift.

                        No. There is a loading machine, since the missiles come in sealed containers from the factory.
        3. alexmach
          alexmach 11 November 2022 18: 49
          0
          Now, with the increase in the range of fire damage from self-propelled guns, many are switching to wheels

          And what does wheeledness have to do with range growth?
          1. Aaron Zawi
            Aaron Zawi 11 November 2022 19: 20
            0
            Quote: alexmach
            Now, with the increase in the range of fire damage from self-propelled guns, many are switching to wheels

            And what does wheeledness have to do with range growth?

            You can care less about booking a car.
            1. Viktor Sergeev
              Viktor Sergeev 11 November 2022 21: 43
              0
              And even now they almost don’t care about booking, from fragments, but you still need to protect.
            2. Timur_kz
              Timur_kz 11 November 2022 22: 38
              0
              No, wheels are mobility, range and speed of movement, the resource is higher. Minus - patency is lame. The coalitions of the SV were given a very fragile Kamazik ...
              1. svp67
                svp67 11 November 2022 23: 12
                +1
                Quote: Timur_kz
                The coalitions of the SV were given a very fragile Kamazik ...

                Oh, don't put salt on the sugar. I hope that even now, following the results of the CBO, they will make this CAO on the base chassis from the Bryansk Plant
            3. svp67
              svp67 11 November 2022 23: 09
              +1
              Quote: Aron Zaavi
              You can care less about booking a car.

              Here I think that, nevertheless, the most important thing is speed qualities, operational mobility, a longer resource and, of course, a lower price than the caterpillar counterpart.
        4. Viktor Sergeev
          Viktor Sergeev 11 November 2022 21: 42
          0
          Yes, they don’t switch to wheels, they are suitable for war games like the Ukrainian one and preferably in the summer, but the ground is a little more difficult and that’s it, it will rise, you need a system, everything that would be. Armenia does not buy systematically, just to buy. Azerbaijanis will crush them lightly, and would be faster.
          1. Aaron Zawi
            Aaron Zawi 11 November 2022 21: 55
            -1
            Quote: Victor Sergeev
            Yes, they don’t switch to wheels, they are suitable for war games like the Ukrainian one and preferably in the summer, but the ground is a little more difficult and that’s it, it will rise, you need a system, everything that would be. Armenia does not buy systematically, just to buy. Azerbaijanis will crush them lightly, and would be faster.

            "Voynushka" like the one that is going on now is the biggest war in the last 30 years. And yet most of the artillery and rocket launchers are on wheels.
            1. Viktor Sergeev
              Viktor Sergeev 13 November 2022 21: 42
              0
              Only now the war goes on both in spring and autumn, and asphalt is not everywhere.
        5. Viktor Sergeev
          Viktor Sergeev 14 November 2022 20: 38
          0
          And who are moving? All who are really preparing for war use caterpillars, wheels, so entertainment for the poor.
      2. svp67
        svp67 11 November 2022 13: 49
        0
        Quote from: neworange88
        We are developing something similar.

        The Indian one is clearly smaller ... We had a 2A61 152-mm PAT-B howitzer developed a long time ago, it would be placed on a two-axle KamAZ or Ural, this would be a similar analogue
        1. Timur_kz
          Timur_kz 11 November 2022 22: 42
          0
          Phlox type, there is 120 gauge


          Sorry, I'm not smart enough to write a normal comment.
          1. svp67
            svp67 11 November 2022 23: 06
            0
            Quote: Timur_kz
            Sorry, I'm not smart enough to write a normal comment.

            What to apologize for. In general, people communicate on this site, and if they don’t be rude and don’t break the rules in a different way, then what’s wrong with the question?
            Quote: Timur_kz
            Phlox type, there is 120 gauge

            Something like that, only the stops on the stern need to be powerful, nevertheless, a 152-mm howitzer, this is not a pound of raisins when fired, it can break the frame or even turn the car over
      3. Alexey RA
        Alexey RA 11 November 2022 15: 31
        0
        Quote from: neworange88
        Well, why immediately junk and kickbacks? laughingWe are developing something similar. I hope they will speed up and set up mass production and quickly.

        We have an artillery unit either from the "Msta", or in general from the "coalition" on the wheeled chassis.
        The Indians have a "short-barrel" - a 39-caliber barrel from "three axes".
        The Made-In-India Multi-terrain Artillery Gun (MArG) 155 – BR is the only 155mm 39 caliber gun system mounted on 4x4 HMV in the world
        © Bharat Forge Ltd.
      4. Anton Sokolov
        Anton Sokolov 11 November 2022 23: 37
        0
        India also has a truck-mounted DRDO ATAGS 8×8 fully automatic gun mount built by Kalayani Defense. They are 155mm × 52, but they are just as heavy as the one you showed. And Armenia needs mobility in a war at high altitude
    2. Romanovski
      Romanovski 14 November 2022 10: 47
      -1
      Where is the CSTO? Ask a question on Russian TV.

      First, Moscow did not turn to the CSTO for military assistance. Where is the paper? Where is the official statement? Where the hell is the fax? ;

      Secondly, if she applied, then for sure under the wrong article;

      Thirdly, this is a border dispute between Ukraine and Russia;

      Fourthly, the same Armenia does not need a second front now, understand, we need peace in your region. What about Kyrgyzstan and Tajikistan? Well, what is the second front for them, they have their own front there. And there should be peace in your region;

      Fifthly, we still need to figure it out, conduct an investigation, collect commissions, now there is not enough data to accurately answer whether they were beaten in the Russian Federation or not;

      Sixthly, we all lived peacefully together in the USSR, Ukraine is a republic close to us, why are you fighting for empty fields, towns, cities? Sit down at the table, peacefully discuss everything among yourselves, come to an agreement, carry out delimitation, demarcation, conclude a peace treaty. While our man, Zelensky, is there, agree normally, well.
  2. Laundryman
    Laundryman 11 November 2022 12: 15
    -3
    Another round of the Karabakh conflict
    1. Cat Alexandrovich
      Cat Alexandrovich 11 November 2022 12: 32
      0
      Aha! Hooray! Drag nah Baku! Through Karabakh! fellow
  3. tralflot1832
    tralflot1832 11 November 2022 12: 17
    +1
    Looks like an Armenian Radio joke.
  4. Murmur 55
    Murmur 55 11 November 2022 12: 19
    +4
    Armenia with Pashinyan is slowly and surely drifting towards E.S. So it is expected that cooperation with Russia will only be reduced.
    1. SKVichyakow
      SKVichyakow 11 November 2022 13: 11
      +5
      Quote: Murmur 55
      Armenia with Pashinyan is slowly and surely drifting towards E.S. So it is expected that cooperation with Russia will only be reduced.

      They don't want to buy from us, they don't have money. Count on a freebie, free. And how to buy from India, so there is money.
      1. Romanovski
        Romanovski 11 November 2022 16: 53
        -2
        "" ".... They don't want to buy from us, they don't have money. They count on a freebie, free. But if you buy from India, you have money...." ""
        ----
        Do not worry - dear couch provocateur ... Armenia has bought and will continue to buy weapons from the Russian Federation, and will continue to closely cooperate in the military-technical sphere ... And the fact that Armenia has now decided to buy something from India is not your couch mind business...Calm down and land....
        1. SKVichyakow
          SKVichyakow 11 November 2022 18: 40
          0
          Quote from Romanovski
          ... And the fact that Armenia has now decided to buy something from India is none of your couch mind business ..

          Azerbaijan really bought from us, and therefore there was something to fight. And Armenia only "imitated", the result is obvious.
          1. Romanovski
            Romanovski 11 November 2022 19: 30
            0
            "...Azerbaijan really bought from us..."""
            ------------
            As for the result, it’s not over yet and it would be nice for you to remember the shameful defeat of Azerbaijan in 1994 ... Azerbaijan paid billions of dollars for weapons NOT ONLY TO RUSSIA, but also to Israel, Turkey, Pakistan, the Czech Republic (self-propelled guns "Dana") and other countries. .. And you should not forget that Russia and Belarus, long before Pashinyan (so beloved by the Russian media ...) sold Azerbaijan weapons worth many billions of dollars, which was used against Armenia (by the way, an ally of Russia and Belarus in the CSTO) .. .
            1. SKVichyakow
              SKVichyakow 11 November 2022 19: 49
              0
              Quote from Romanovski
              sold weapons to Azerbaijan for many billions of dollars

              Do you want the United States to sell to Azerbaijan? We decided we'd better sell it. Notice that you didn’t write a word about Armenia’s purchases from us, or did they not exist?
              1. Romanovski
                Romanovski 11 November 2022 20: 09
                0
                ""... Do you want the United States to sell to Azerbaijan? We decided we'd better sell it. Notice that you didn’t write a word about Armenia’s purchases from us, or did they not exist? ..””.
                ---------
                I repeat for you personally - Azerbaijan has been buying and is buying weapons NOT ONLY from Russia, but Armenia has been buying weapons ONLY from the Russian Federation for a very long time, and if now it decided to buy from India, then at this stage Russia is probably not against it ... There are a lot of people they don’t speak openly ... I hope you understand ... And about the fact that the Russian Federation at one time sold weapons to the CONFLICTING PARTIES in the TRANSCAUCASUS, and in words was for peace in the Transcaucasus, then agree that this does not fit at all with each other another ... In the event of a conflict in the Transcaucasus, the affairs of the Russian Federation clearly differed from the words ... Tell me please, why is Russia now very unhappy with the fact that many countries donate or sell WEAPONS for the Ukrainian Armed Forces ??? It's a shame??? Double standarts???
                1. SKVichyakow
                  SKVichyakow 11 November 2022 20: 27
                  0
                  Quote from Romanovski
                  .Tell me please, why is Russia now very unhappy with the fact that many countries donate or sell WEAPONS for the Armed Forces of Ukraine ??? It's a shame??? Double standarts???

                  Because it is used against Russia. Now I will repeat for you personally. They sold weapons to everyone, as if we hadn’t sold them, the West would sell them there and, accordingly, got into it with their ambitions. Do we need it?. So they got into Armenia, have they improved at least something?
                  1. Romanovski
                    Romanovski 11 November 2022 20: 38
                    0
                    ""... so, as if we hadn't sold it, the West would sell it there ..."".
                    --------
                    But was Russia able to ban Azerbaijan from buying weapons from the West, Israel, Turkey (NATO) and other European countries????? I repeat to you that Azerbaijan purchased weapons NOT ONLY from Russia, and Russia could not prevent Azerbaijan from purchasing weapons anywhere, even when it itself supplied weapons there ..
                    And one more thing - how could Russia sell weapons to the bleeding zone of the conflict in the Transcaucasus, which has been going on for 30 years, and even more so against the interests of ITS ally in the CSTO (Armenia) ??? Baku petrodollars are much nicer to the authorities of the Russian Federation than the interests of fraternal Armenia and the blood shed by Armenians ??? So right??
                    1. SKVichyakow
                      SKVichyakow 11 November 2022 20: 53
                      0
                      Quote from Romanovski
                      But was Russia able to ban Azerbaijan from buying weapons from the West, Israel, Turkey (NATO) and other European countries ??

                      She could not and did not do this, and therefore, at their request, she sold to them. Didn't refuse. And if the weapons were from the West, would that be normal? And no blood was shed? After all, Armenia won the first war, and calmed down, began to hobnob with the United States. What is the outcome?
                      1. Romanovski
                        Romanovski 11 November 2022 21: 33
                        0
                        ""...began to rub shoulders with the USA...""
                        -------
                        Is it?? And by chance, it was not Armenia that in 1995 concluded an agreement with the Russian Federation on the Russian 102nd military base in Gyumri (Armenia) for as much as 49 years ??? It was not by chance that Armenia became a full member of the EAEU and the Customs Union in 2013.... ?? And what did Armenia lose in the CSTO (military-defensive (!) bloc of some countries from the CIS ... by the way ...), if, in your opinion, it supposedly rubbed shoulders with the USA ???
                      2. SKVichyakow
                        SKVichyakow 12 November 2022 08: 31
                        0
                        This is how it was under the old leadership. Now I don't think I would.
                        Quote from Romanovski
                        Is it?? And by chance, it was not Armenia that in 1995 concluded an agreement with the Russian Federation on the Russian 102nd military base in Gyumri (Armenia) for as much as 49 years ???
                      3. Romanovski
                        Romanovski 12 November 2022 09: 30
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                        ""... And now, I think, I wouldn't join...."". You think wrong ... However, I will not drip on your brains, but rather pay attention to an excerpt from N. Pashinyan's recent speech: ".... The Prime Minister of Armenia added that the government is trying to diversify the possibilities of acquiring weapons.
                        When asked whether the problem with our partner in the supply of weapons was resolved, the head of the Cabinet said that it had not yet been resolved, discussions were ongoing.

                        Recall that at a government meeting on September 29, Pashinyan stated that Azerbaijan has some success in terms of relations with our allies and is trying to ensure that weapons and ammunition are not supplied to Armenia. “We have cases when 100 million dollars were paid (to Russia...), but the obligations for deliveries in relation to the Republic of Armenia are not fulfilled, including by the allied states. This, of course, is a sad reality," he said...."
                      4. SKVichyakow
                        SKVichyakow 12 November 2022 09: 54
                        0
                        Quote from Romanovski
                        The Prime Minister of Armenia added that the government is trying to diversify the possibilities of acquiring weapons.

                        What irritates me is not the very fact of buying weapons not in Russia, but from someone on the side, but the fact that we are obliged to them as allies to do this.
                        Quote from Romanovski
                        We have cases when 100 million dollars were paid (to Russia...), but the obligations for deliveries in relation to the Republic of Armenia are not fulfilled, including by the allied states. This is, of course, a sad reality," he said.

                        This BEING "confused" Russia with Jordan, especially for people like you who do not check it. The conversation was yesterday, and his eyes were opened to this fake statement.
                      5. Romanovski
                        Romanovski 12 November 2022 10: 03
                        0
                        ""... his eyes were opened to this fake statement. ...".
                        -----
                        Is it??? Carefully read??? I think not ... Then read this carefully: "" ... in
                        including from the side of the allied states..."".
                      6. SKVichyakow
                        SKVichyakow 12 November 2022 10: 45
                        0
                        Quote from Romanovski
                        zve??? Carefully read??? I think not ... Then read this carefully: "" ... in
                        including from the side of the allied states..."".

                        This is what is all fake. No invoice. Armenia has announced a tender for the purchase of weapons. Ours joined (2019) and they ignored us, and then announced the non-fulfillment of the contract, and even wanted to claim money for non-fulfillment.
                      7. Romanovski
                        Romanovski 12 November 2022 18: 01
                        0
                        "...they ignored us...".
                        -----
                        Stop it, for God's sake ... Do you yourself believe your words ??? Do you really think Pashinyan is so short-sighted that he is able to first set up the Russian Federation, and then from a public rostrum accuse Russia of NON-SUPPLY of weapons ???? Stop spreading misinformation here ... It's funny all the same ....
                      8. SKVichyakow
                        SKVichyakow 12 November 2022 18: 20
                        0
                        Quote from Romanovski
                        "...they ignored us...".
                        -----
                        Stop it, for God's sake ... Do you yourself believe your words ??? Do you really think Pashinyan is so short-sighted that he is able to first set up the Russian Federation, and then from a public rostrum accuse Russia of NON-SUPPLY of weapons ???? Stop spreading misinformation here ... It's funny all the same ....

                        When in doubt, there is a search engine for that. Yerevan scored in it refused to supply weapons from Russia, offers to choose from. Or do you only trust yourself? Then don't be surprised if they don't believe you. I'm used to what I don't know to be interested in there. Onsite verification. The choice of information is great. So, you are spreading DEZU. And it’s not funny to me. Many commentators divorced, some honestly admit that they do not understand this, but they manage to criticize. And in order to learn at least a little on the topic of discussion, they follow the path "Do we need it?" I will add, I am not a supporter of either Azerbaijan or Armenia. And Armenia especially. I don’t like that they criticize Russia for not fitting in with Artsakh, although they didn’t fit in themselves, they didn’t recognize them themselves. But we are always to blame.
                      9. Romanovski
                        Romanovski 12 November 2022 21: 10
                        0
                        ""... I will add, I am not a supporter of either Azerbaijan or Armenia. And Armenia especially. I don’t like that they criticize Russia for not fitting in with Artsakh, although they didn’t fit in themselves, they didn’t recognize them themselves. But as always, we are to blame ... "".
                        ----
                        Well, here you are distorting again ... Although, I will try to answer you point by point: 1) You prefer to believe the search engine on the Web, where there is a lot of informational noise and rubbish with fakes in addition, and the public words of the Prime Minister of Armenia, which I specially sent to you in a separate paragraph - You do not believe??? Strange ... Maybe you believe in an open encyclopedia called Wikipedia, which, by the way, is banned in the Russian Federation ... ?? You and send a link from the official page of the First Channel TV of Armenia with the same performance ??? I personally quoted for you his words that there are countries among Armenia’s allies (yes, he didn’t specifically name the country .... but it’s clear which country the CSTO is talking about ...) WHICH ALREADY RECEIVED MONEY FROM THE GOVERNMENT OF ARMENIA BUT THEY HAVE NOT DELIVERED WEAPONS YET ... 2) Much to your regret - Russia fit in (a strange word, but I heard from you ...) for Artsakh in 2020 ... 3) Armenia and the Armenian people have no reason and senseless to criticize Russia , but Armenia has the right to receive CLEAR explanations from the leadership of Russia (!) And Belarus (!!! - Armenia's allies in the CSTO .. ​​agree that an important point ...) about their supply of OFFENSIVE weapons to Azerbaijan, i.e. - AGAINST your CSTO ally (Armenia), which were carried out LONG (!) Before Pashinyan came to power ... Your explanations and excuses, such as that if Russia had not sold weapons to Azerbaijan, then the West would have sold - they DO NOT RESIST ANY CRITICS AND THE ARMENIAN PUBLIC have not accepted and will not accept such excuses from the Russian side... Do you know the Russian proverb that you will have to pay for everything sooner or later? Please tell me, how would Russia react if (let's say) one of the CSTO countries decides tomorrow to supply Ukraine (not a CSTO member) with a large batch of weapons, that is, for use AGAINST the RF Armed Forces and at the same time tries to justify itself to Russia by the fact that if not for us if we sell weapons to ukrofascists, then the West will sell ??? Armenia did not fit in with Artsakh ??? Is it? For your information: 6500 Armenian soldiers died in the first Karabakh war, most of which were from ARMENIA ITSELF, as well as most of those who died in the second Karabakh war - also come from Armenia ... There is already a special Encyclopedia on Karabakh published, where the names of all those who died for Karabakh soldiers of Armenia, as well as the place of their birth, where they fought and where they died ... Scan the pages of this book and send it to you? 5) Are you a special "non-supporter" of Armenia?? So these are your problems, and the majority (I'm sure ...) of the people of Armenia - they criticize NOT RUSSIA, but the Russian authorities ... And these, as they say in Odessa, are two big differences ... And the vast majority of Armenians have always been and will be for ETERNAL friendship with the Great and multinational people of Russia... Authorities come and go, and friendship between the peoples of Armenia and Russia will grow stronger... Do not hesitate... 6) Did Armenia itself not recognize Artsakh? Do you by any chance know that the CO-CHAIRS (from the Russian Federation, the USA and France ...) of the OSCE Minsk Group urged Armenia not to do this, so as not to harm the fragile negotiation process ??? Do not know ??
          2. Romanovski
            Romanovski 11 November 2022 22: 00
            0
            ""... And Armenia only "imitated", the result is obvious .."".
            ------
            You are mistaken again ... You are probably not aware of the political battles within Armenia over the past quarter of a century ... Let me remind you of the terrible terrorist attack (coup d'état ... and if you call a spade a spade - they beheaded the PRO-RUSSIAN LEADERSHIP in ARMENIA ...) October 27, 1999 the year when Prime Minister V. Sargsyan, Speaker K. Demirchyan and 6 other deputies were shot point-blank in the Parliament of the country ... In 3 days, i.e. - 30.10.1999/XNUMX/XNUMX --- the then Prime Minister of the Russian Federation V. Putin came to the funeral of the dead leaders of Armenia ... And you know - what he then said in plain text (and the then President of Armenia R. Kocharyan - stood next to V. Putin. ..) ??? He said the following: "Unfortunately, in Armenia, as if on purpose, they killed those leaders who were in favor of rapprochement with RUSSIA ...". Is that enough for you???
            And since 2000 - Armenia has been mired in corruption, embezzlement, monopolies, oligarchy, INJUSTICE to the people ... Corruption and theft - ALSO ENTERED THE ARMY OF ARMENIA and greatly weakened it ... During the reign of the second and third Presidents (from the Karabakh clan , i.e. - Kocharyan and Sargsyan) - for the Armenian Army for 20 (!!!) years, ONLY weapons worth $ 350 million were purchased, and even then - obsolete weapons ... And when the people of Armenia decided in 2008 rebel against this lawlessness, then so dearly loved among some (not all ... for the sake of truth ...) Russian propagandists and under the then leaders of Armenia - they shot the demonstrators at point-blank range .... I hope that you now understand the whole oil painting in Armenia...
            1. SKVichyakow
              SKVichyakow 12 November 2022 08: 37
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              Quote from Romanovski
              I hope that you now understand the whole oil painting in Armenia.

              The layout is clear to me. But what is happening there, it is happening now. First of all, you cannot sit on two chairs, and you and ours will not be able to please. I don't like duplicity.
      2. Romanovski
        Romanovski 13 November 2022 13: 19
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        ▶#[email protected]_military_portal-
    2. Romanovski
      Romanovski 11 November 2022 16: 48
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      """...Armenia with Pashinyan is slowly and surely drifting towards E.S.."".
      ----
      You are grossly and craftily mistaken ... Everything is exactly the opposite ....
    3. Romanovski
      Romanovski 13 November 2022 13: 29
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      "" ...
  5. kamakama
    kamakama 11 November 2022 12: 20
    +2
    Here is one of the first consequences of the SVO, and how many of them will be ahead ... To whom are fighters and air defense to be sold now. Advertising campaign failed
    1. Kurva18
      Kurva18 11 November 2022 12: 25
      +3
      Sell? We don't have enough new technology.
      1. kamakama
        kamakama 11 November 2022 12: 36
        +1
        It is now. Think ahead. Sooner or later, the mess in the southwest will end, and conclusions will already be drawn
        1. neworange88
          neworange88 11 November 2022 12: 40
          +4
          We still need to live up to the prospect. And in order for it to have this prospect in the future, we need to think not about the market now, but about deliveries to the troops.
    2. alexmach
      alexmach 11 November 2022 19: 00
      0
      Here is one of the first consequences of NWO

      No, this is a consequence of the lack of such weapons in the Russian Federation.
    3. Timur_kz
      Timur_kz 11 November 2022 22: 50
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      Well, air defense showed itself quite well, as they took it, so it will be. There will be more reports, analytics. Plus, the traditional attachment to Russian weapons and components, as in Algeria, for example, it is already difficult to rearm for something else without serious financial losses.
  6. cold wind
    cold wind 11 November 2022 12: 24
    +6
    Everything is logical. Pakistan is an ally of Azerbaijan, respectively, India is an ally of Armenia. We simply do not have such self-propelled guns in the series, and the sale of weapons abroad, which we ourselves lack, is not acceptable.
    As practice shows, self-propelled guns on a wheeled chassis are needed like air.
    1. neworange88
      neworange88 11 November 2022 12: 41
      -1
      Quote from cold wind
      Everything is logical. Pakistan is an ally of Azerbaijan, respectively, India is an ally of Armenia. We simply do not have such self-propelled guns in the series, and the sale of weapons abroad, which we ourselves lack, is not acceptable.
      As practice shows, self-propelled guns on a wheeled chassis are needed like air.


      Well, why not?

      Military commissariat news, August 16, 2022 - Uralvagonzavod has launched the production of a pilot batch of a new self-propelled artillery mount (SAU) 2S43 Malva.

      State tests of the 152-mm self-propelled artillery gun 2S43 "Malva" are proceeding according to plan, the preliminary completion date is the end of 2022. This was reported by the press service of "Uralvagonzavod".

      Reportedly, the tests are being carried out by the Ministry of Defense, the developer presented a prototype of the SAO (self-propelled artillery gun) with modifications based on the results of preliminary tests that ended last year. As stated at UVZ, the sample undergoing state tests fully complies with the tactical and technical requirements and has confirmed its effectiveness.

      https://dzen.ru/media/id/61efc18850636c6028e7316d/nachalos-proizvodstvo-opytnopromyshlennoi-partii-novoi-rossiiskoi-sau-malva-62fbca18a6f61d339523cf48
      1. alexmach
        alexmach 11 November 2022 19: 01
        -1
        Well, why not?

        Well, because no
        production of a pilot batch started

        It still isn't.
    2. decimalegio
      decimalegio 11 November 2022 13: 06
      0
      I agree, however, in the sphere of production and sale of weapons, Russia is a little lacking in private initiative. It is impossible to sell and produce only the weapons that the Russian army accepts. I understand that this applies to more complex systems. But for a rotating armored sempius or for a cannon placed on the roof of a truck, I don't think a big technological investment is needed.
      1. Bogalex
        Bogalex 11 November 2022 20: 57
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        It is impossible to sell and produce only the weapons that the Russian army accepts

        The vast majority of weapons and, especially, ammunition supplied by our manufacturers abroad are among those NOT adopted by the Russian Army.
        1. decimalegio
          decimalegio 12 November 2022 10: 51
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          I do not doubt your statements, however, leaving aside artillery on trucks, can you tell me which 4x4, 6x6 or 8x8 armored personnel carrier, of our own design and not adopted by the Russian army, was sold abroad ??? Chinese tank type ZTL-09 on wheels or a centaur ???? light COIN plane????
          1. Bogalex
            Bogalex 12 November 2022 16: 25
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            Well, since we leave artillery on trucks aside, then send armored personnel carriers, Chinese tanks and light COIN aircraft there.
            The main share of Russian arms exports is aviation equipment and air defense weapons. ALL samples of this nomenclature are supplied exclusively for export and, of course, are not accepted into service with the Russian Armed Forces.
            The T-90S and T-90MS tanks supplied abroad are also export versions and have not been adopted by the RF Armed Forces.
            And here is a scan of the Rosoboronexport catalog dedicated to ammunition sold abroad. Pay attention to the widest range of 300-mm rockets for the Smerch MLRS - 9M55K, 9M55K1, 9M55K4, 9M55K5, 9M55K6, 9M525, 9M526, 9M527, 9M528, 9M529, 9M530, 9M531, 9M532... For your information, only two of them have been adopted by the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation - 9M533K and 9M542K9. And the latter is not produced. Everything else "Splav" produces exclusively for foreign buyers.

            Link: https://roe.ru/catalog/sukhoputnye-vosyka/boepripasy/
            1. decimalegio
              decimalegio 14 November 2022 14: 46
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              I understand what you're saying to me. You tell me about the vehicles that are in service with the Russian army, which are sold abroad in export versions and therefore differ from the original model. But try to understand my point, a Volkswagen Golf that came to Brazil without ABS, without heating and with an engine tuned to run on ethanol is not a new car, it is always a regular Volkswagen Golf, even if it is prepared for export according to Brazilian needs .
  7. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 11 November 2022 12: 40
    -2
    Buy and buy, their business. But what about the French and Americans who promised in three boxes for the prosperity of Armenia and the improvement of military potential? Or is "friendship" with India relevant today? But the fact that Armenia in its foreign policy has become like a yard dog - whoever beckons to that and runs, that's for sure.
    1. Romanovski
      Romanovski 11 November 2022 17: 08
      -2
      """...But the fact that Armenia in its foreign policy has begun to resemble a yard dog - whoever beckons to that and runs, that's for sure....".
      ---- '
      You shouldn’t be rude and filter the bazaar ... For your personal information: Long (!) Before Pashinyan came to power, Russia, Belarus and Kazakhstan sold (and are selling now) weapons worth billions of dollars to Azerbaijan and they knew for sure that these weapons were for sure will be used and used against YOUR ALLY IN THE CSTO, i.e. - Armenia ... And what beautiful word would you call such a policy of CSTO comrades ????
      1. Seal
        Seal 17 November 2022 10: 13
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        Quote from Romanovski
        And what beautiful word would you call such a policy of CSTO comrades????
        And what a beautiful word you call politics when one state (A), on the instructions of the USA, joins an organization created by another state (P), which, alas, was then almost completely controlled by the same USA, and on this basis, the state (A) requires help from the Organization even when the state "P" began to free itself from dependence on the United States?
        Okay, that was the lyrics. And now the facts and reality.
        Back in 1977 year between the Russian Federation and the Republic of Azerbaijan was signed a TREATY on friendship, cooperation and mutual security. Ratified by the Federal Law of the Russian Federation of February 9, 1998 N 24-FZ
        This Treaty has Article 3.
        Article 3 The High Contracting Parties, reaffirming the inadmissibility of the use of force or the threat of its use in interstate relations, do not recognize the forcible change of internationally recognized borders of states.
        They will cooperate and support mutual efforts, aimed at ensuring their territorial integrity and inviolability of borders.
        Well, what's the problem? We supplied (for currency !!!) our weapons to Azerbaijan within the framework of cooperation aimed at ensuring the territorial integrity of Azerbaijan. So what's wrong? Where do you see the problem? Our Treaty of 1997 with Azerbaijan is not secret, it is open, it was posted on the official website of the President of the Russian Federation, as well as on a number of other official websites. There are Consultant, Guarantor, etc. in information systems.
        And on July 3, 2008, in Baku, in the development of this Treaty, the Declaration of Friendship and Strategic Partnership between the Republic of Azerbaijan and the Russian Federation was signed. which stated even more clearly that
        The parties declare their intention to strengthen and expand military and military-technical cooperation
        The supply of our weapons to Azerbaijan is the expansion of military and military-technical cooperation. The declaration of July 3, 208 is also unclassified.
        Summary: Even after Azerbaijan's refusal in 1999 to renew its membership in the CSTO, de facto we maintained allied relations with it.
        Which on February 22.02.2022, XNUMX were issued in the form of an Allied Declaration.
        What's wrong ? I have said and continue to say many times (for 10-13 years already) that Azerbaijan is exactly the same ally for us as Armenia. Only much more valuable. You stubbornly did not want and do not want to see this. Hence your problems and childish grievances.
        1. Romanovski
          Romanovski 17 November 2022 20: 17
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          1)""... Back in 1977, an AGREEMENT was signed between the Russian Federation and the Republic of Azerbaijan ..."".
          2)""...Even after Azerbaijan's refusal in 1999 to renew its membership in the CSTO, de facto we maintained allied relations with it.
          Which on February 22.02.2022, XNUMX were issued in the form of an Allied Declaration.
          What's wrong ? I have said and continue to say many times (for 10-13 years already) that Azerbaijan is exactly the same ally for us as Armenia. Only much more valuable...."".
          ---
          1) Why are you suffering nonsense here ??? In 1977, the names of the Russian Federation and the Republic of Azerbaijan did not yet exist in Nature, but there were only the RSFSR and the Azerbaijan SSR .... Who taught you history and geography at school ... ??
          2) Please tell me why SUDDENLY Azerbaijan decided to withdraw from the CSTO and even demanded that Russia remove the Gabala radar station from Azerbaijan ??? Maybe Turkey and NATO whispered something bad about the Russian Federation in Aliyev's ear??? If Azerbaijan is so "strongly" friends with the Russian Federation, then why Azerb. left the CSTO (= MILITARY DEFENSE BLOCK ...) ??? Explain the reason .... Azerbaijan is a much more "valuable" friend for the Russian Federation than Armenia ???? What are you talking about!?! Is it ???!!! By chance, you are not speaking from Baku here ??? AND ON BEHALF OF ALL RUSSIA NOBODY here has dropped the "truth" to broadcast and your personal point of view is not presented as the opinion of ALL Russia .... And why is Azerbaijan much more valuable to Russia than Armenia ??? Oh, yes, I forgot that you have a lot of black caviar and oil ... So with this "good" Russia itself can fill up Azerbaijan to the very top ... Sturgeon fish is also bred a lot in Armenia (about fifty fish farms ...) , so there is no shortage of black caviar in Armenia either .... And a huge sea of ​​\u2b\uXNUMXboil and gas is also right under Armenia (confirmed by geological exploration of the USSR and even with the help of satellites from space back in the time of the late USSR ...), but located at a depth from XNUMXkm and VERY SOON the drillers of a consortium of several companies will reach these riches...
          1. Seal
            Seal 18 November 2022 10: 34
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            Please tell me why SUDDENLY Azerbaijan decided to withdraw from the CSTO and even demanded that Russia remove the Gabala radar station from Azerbaijan ???

            Yes please. Azerbaijan did not prolong its membership in the CSTO because the Armenian lobby (both in Russia and in the United States), apparently very angry that it could not prevent the conclusion of this Treaty in 1997, immediately after its conclusion, took a number of actions to discredit this Treaty.
            However, personally, I believe that by concluding this agreement with Azerbaijan at that time, we were simply trying to calm Azerbaijan down and extinguish the scandal that Aman Tuleyev, Minister for Cooperation with the CIS Countries, raised in early 1997.
            So on February 14, Minister Tuleev, puzzled by the information he had (he did not name the source of information) about the supply of infantry fighting vehicles and tanks to Armenia in 1994-1996 for a total of 271 billion rubles, sent Prime Minister Viktor Chernomyrdin, Defense Minister Igor Rodionov, secretaries of the Security Council and Defense Council letters to Ivan Rybkin and Yuri Baturin demanding an investigation.
            As Igor Rodionov said in a response letter to Tuleev, a special commission created by the Ministry of Defense conducted an investigation. Tuleyev told the press yesterday that, according to Rodionov, indeed, 84 T-72 tanks and 50 infantry fighting vehicles were transferred to Armenia free of charge without the permission of the government or the president.
            After that, Azerbaijani President Heydar Aliyev stated at the end of February that the military cooperation between Russia and Armenia is contrary to the CIS Collective Security Treaty. And already on March 3, Azerbaijani Foreign Minister Hasan Hasanov handed a note to Russian Ambassador Alexander Blokhin in connection with "illegal supplies of weapons from Russia to Armenia."
          2. Seal
            Seal 18 November 2022 10: 35
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            About Gabala. I could explain everything in detail, but I'm afraid that I will again be accused of posting an entire article, my explanations will be deleted, and I will be given a warning.
            Therefore, I will say briefly. Back in 1994, in accordance with the directives of the leadership of the military department in the Kuban, a group of a facility under construction was formed - an over-the-horizon radar station of the Voronezh missile attack warning system of high factory readiness near the city of Armavir. In accordance with the Concept adopted shortly before the creation of this group, we, Russia, must place all our radar stations exclusively on our territory.
            The Gabala radar station of the "Daryal" type was very outdated; the development of stations of this type began in the mid-1960s. Keeping this very voracious in terms of energy consumption (in active mode, power consumption was 50 MW, in combat mode - up to 350 MW.) antiques on combat duty was both inefficient and expensive.
            Moreover, back in 2005, we began the construction of radar stations of the Voronezh type. The first object of this type was laid near the settlement. Lekhtusi in the Leningrad region. Soon the construction of the station in Armavir began. In 2010-13 launched five more construction projects in different regions of the country. Over the next few years, they were completed, after which the new stations passed the necessary tests and took up duty.
            We tried to interest the Americans in Gabala. The United States even sent a delegation to inspect the station, after which they refused to share it with us for scientific purposes. Apparently, they adequately assessed its technical condition and capabilities.
            So, it was unnecessary and costly for us to keep the radar station in Gabala on combat duty. We also could not upgrade it to the level of a Voronezh-type radar station, since, I remind you, we adopted the Concept of non-deployment of new radar stations abroad.
          3. Seal
            Seal 18 November 2022 10: 37
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            About cost.
            The radar station occupied 210 hectares. This is 2 million 100 thousand square meters of territory. We paid $15 million a year. Or just over $1 million a month. Less than $1 per square meter per month. Oh yes, and around the base there is an exclusion zone for which we did not pay. But the locals also cannot use this zone near the radar. How many more million square meters are there? Azerbaijan stated in 2011 that it would like to receive $300 million a year for Gabala. Why ? Perhaps because we are in the period 2009-2010. delivered to Armenia free of charge 2 S-300 anti-aircraft missile systems (SAM), 144 5V55U missiles. It is clear that this delivery could not but cause a negative reaction in Azerbaijan. In 2011, we also had to supply 2 S-300 air defense systems to Azerbaijan. But they are no longer 144, but 200 missiles, and not 5V55U with a range of up to 75 km, but 48N6 with a range of 200 km.

            I ignore all your other insinuations. An old played record.
  8. APASUS
    APASUS 11 November 2022 12: 43
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    This is more of a political decision. Armenia is trying to get away from Soviet weapons and has chosen (supposedly a neutral supplier) for the transition period, although British guns are made to NATO standard
  9. Strannik96
    Strannik96 11 November 2022 13: 02
    -1
    Quote: APASUS
    This is more of a political decision. Armenia is trying to get away from Soviet weapons and has chosen (supposedly a neutral supplier) for the transition period, although British guns are made to NATO standard

    1.Where is the money for this?
    2. Where are the specialists?
    3. Experts fluent in technical-military English
    4. Reliability in the conditions of the post-Soviet republics, in the absence of appropriate technical literacy and service culture.
    Answers give insight into where they're going
    1. agond
      agond 11 November 2022 13: 49
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      They write that
      "The ULH howitzer was developed in three versions from different structural materials of the carriage and recoil devices - steel 6,8 tons, titanium weight 4,8 tons and mixed. about 155 km).
      In the picture, the trunk seems shorter than that of Malka, from where the range of 24 km is unclear.
      1. Alexey RA
        Alexey RA 11 November 2022 15: 33
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        Quote: agond
        In the picture, the trunk seems shorter than that of Malka, from where the range of 24 km is unclear.

        From the ancestor, of course. For "port wine", a firing range of 23,5 km with the M795 projectile is indicated.
  10. cniza
    cniza 11 November 2022 13: 39
    +1
    Positioned as the "only in the world" 155-mm artillery system


    Is Armenia getting ready for NATO? Recently, it is not clear who is leading what policy ...
  11. Dmitrii
    Dmitrii 11 November 2022 14: 08
    -1
    We need this too!!! Just yesterday!!!
  12. Radikal
    Radikal 11 November 2022 14: 36
    +1
    Armenia buys a batch of Indian self-propelled howitzers MArG 155 - BR on a 4x4 wheeled chassis
    Well, it's begun. Just the other day, a meeting of the leaders of the CSTO Armed Forces was held, where, among others, the issue of standardizing weapons for the Armed Forces of the members of this organization was discussed. Pashinyan recently assured in a conversation with the "guarantor", in short, nothing foreshadowed, but here Kherson, well, as a result, the leader of the oligarchs will get what he fought for .... sad
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  14. Andrey1966
    Andrey1966 11 November 2022 17: 56
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    One piece of advice: "Drop the fly."©
  15. Seal
    Seal 16 November 2022 11: 21
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    Quote from Romanovski
    While our man, Zelensky, is there, agree normally, well.
    Zelensky is your man???
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  17. Seal
    Seal 17 November 2022 10: 58
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    Quote from Romanovski
    Do you by any chance know that the CO-CHAIRS (from the Russian Federation, the USA and France ...) of the OSCE Minsk Group urged Armenia not to do this, so as not to harm the fragile negotiation process ??? Do not know ?? Or is it not beneficial to remember this??
    Are you just kind of accidentally "in the know"? Yes, they would not even be aware that Azerbaijan was a member of the CSTO. Now you pretend that you are aware of what happened at the meetings of the Minsk Group. Are you not funny yourself?
  18. Seal
    Seal 17 November 2022 11: 03
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    Quote from Romanovski
    And you know - what he then said in plain text (and the then President of Armenia R. Kocharyan - stood next to V. Putin ...) ??? He said the following: "Unfortunately, in Armenia, as if on purpose, they killed those leaders who were in favor of rapprochement with RUSSIA ...".
    An interesting detail. That is, you want to say that Kocharyan, as it were, openly warned what fate awaits all those Armenian politicians who advocate rapprochement with Russia, right?
  19. Seal
    Seal 18 November 2022 09: 28
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    Quote from Romanovski
    ) What are you suffering nonsense here ??? In 1977, the names of the Russian Federation and the Republic of Azerbaijan did not yet exist in Nature, but there were only the RSFSR and the Azerbaijan SSR .... Who taught you history and geography at school ... ??

    Well, sorry, of course we are talking about 1997. You might have guessed that this is just a technical error, which does not play any significant role. Moreover, that this is just a typo could be understood from the next sentence of that phrase of mine. showing
    Back in 1977, a TREATY on friendship, cooperation and mutual security was signed between the Russian Federation and the Republic of Azerbaijan. Ratified by the Federal Law of the Russian Federation of February 9 1998 N 24-FZ

    What is the problem ? What did you arrange dances with tambourines around a technical error?
    Here is the Treaty for you.
  20. Seal
    Seal 18 November 2022 17: 37
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    Quote from Romanovski
    And why is Azerbaijan much more valuable to Russia than Armenia???
    I wrote about 10 years ago.
    The main thing for Russia is the interests of Russia. Not Armenia. And not Azerbaijan. But the objective reality is that we need Azerbaijan much more than Armenia. In the conditions when Georgia has set its sights on NATO, it's hard for us to build and strengthen the Russia-Azerbaijan-Iran axis. Our three countries, bordering each other, cover the whole of Eurasia from the Arctic Ocean to the Indian Ocean. And no one will be able to extend any gas pipeline or oil pipeline bypassing our countries to the West. We immediately completely exclude any illusions from our Central Asian and Kazakh partners that they will be able to pull their oil and gas pipelines to Europe, bypassing Russia (or Azerbaijan tied to us). Not a single steam locomotive or truck will pass our three countries from the East (from China, Korea) on the way to the West. Neither by land nor by sea (by ferries). And if we also close the airspace for the passage of aircraft from unfriendly countries, then civil aviation flights from unfriendly countries will be out of order. After all, we are also a bitter vegetable, which radishes are not sweeter, you will fly around !!! God himself sent us such a geopolitical advantage that we have no right not to realize.
    But if we change Azerbaijan for Armenia, which is no better than Georgia, but unlike Georgia, which has access to the Black Sea, Armenia is in such a ....... world that no one needs it at all and influences nothing can't - there will be problems.
    Showing on fingers.
    If Armenia joins NATO, then we will be neither hot nor cold from this. We will simply assume that the current NATO member Turkey has slightly increased the fifth point.
    But if, God forbid, Azerbaijan, offended by our pro-Armenian position, follows Georgia into NATO, this will be a HUGE problem for us. Then NATO ships may end up in the Caspian Sea. Large ships, of course, will not appear, but NATO may well deliver small ships disassembled by rail or by road and then assemble them in Baku. Just as the Germans did in 1941-1942, when Turkey blocked the straits to the Black Sea for German and Italian warships. And then NATO in Baku or somewhere else will establish a normal assembly production so that they can also assemble destroyers. At present, nothing is impossible. There would be desire and money. Well, why do we need a NATO fleet in the Caspian Sea?
    It is in Russia's national interests to help Azerbaijan regain Karabakh and thereby bind Azerbaijan to us. And then it will be possible to feed Armenia a little. Including weapons. So that Azerbaijan understands that if it only thinks of leaving us somewhere, the Armenians will again go to take Karabakh. Nothing personal. The state interests of Russia above all.