Russian Ka-52 helicopters in the NVO zone demonstrate capabilities beyond those laid down by the designers

Russian reconnaissance and attack helicopters Ka-52, used in the battles in Ukraine, are highly appreciated by the crews, demonstrating capabilities beyond those laid down by the designers. This was reported by a source in the military department.

The crews of the Ka-52 operate helicopters at the limit of its capabilities and even higher, the machine, in the design of which some parameters were laid down, demonstrates completely different ones, successfully coping with the tasks assigned to it. As an example, the source cites pitch-up shooting, where the elevation angle should not exceed 20 degrees, since a helicopter is designed for this. However, the shooting is carried out at an angle of 40-45 degrees and the machine does this calmly.

Now in the special operation, helicopters fly at low altitudes and at those speeds at which it is possible to fly over the terrain. Usually the Ka-52's pitch angle is 20 degrees, and pilots now launch missiles from a pitch angle of 40-45 degrees.

- leads TASS source words

Earlier, Ka-52 pilots have already stated that the helicopter is very maneuverable and capable of performing tasks under heavy loads. According to the results of combat missions, the vehicle received the highest marks.

The reconnaissance and strike Ka-52 is the main combat helicopter of the army aviation in the NVO zone along with the Mi-28 "Night Hunter". The helicopter is a modernized version of the Ka-50 Black Shark. It has better aerodynamic characteristics and is less visible to radar. Destined to destroy tanks, armored and unarmored military equipment, manpower and helicopters of the enemy, in all weather conditions and at any time. It can provide fire support for troops, patrol and escort military convoys.

Comments

[Hyperion]

From framing b ... Even as a mortar, let him try, I think it will work.

[Maxim Sergeevich]

Better not to overuse. And then they break

[Nikolaevich I]

Quote: Maxim Sergeevich

Better not to overuse. And then they break

On the "one side" ... you are right! The resource is running out quickly! And on the "other side" ... war, sir!

[smart ass]

A super-cool car with nurses shoots through the squares.

[novel66]

risk to pilots, resource consumption, rotten occupation

[smart ass]

Nursy is the Middle Ages, no matter how cool the car is

[novel66]

from a dive and through clusters - a sweet deal

[ramzay21]

As an example, the source cites pitch-up shooting,

This is amazing! We spent a lot of money on a helicopter, a lot of money on crew training, on fuel, and helicopters are used to shoot into the sky, like in a children's rhyme "whom God will send to."
Just one question. And why this expensive and useless attraction?

[Sergey_52]

Do you propose shooting into the sky from a cart?

[ramzay21]

No. It is better to pick up NURSs to the IL-76 and also peel from the cabriolet. So more expensive and people like you will be happy

[Sergey_52]

Well, at least it's good that people like you know everything from your sofa ...

[TANKISTONE]

novel66 (novel) risk to pilots, resource consumption, rotten occupation

Both pilots and vehicles are fighting (for which some studied and took the Oath, others were designed and built), and not an air parade.

[novel66]

it's just pointless, even worse than an air parade

[Dmitry Potapov]

"Iron" defends the interests of the country, and the fuckers in the Kremlin are selling the country! Paradox!

[kebeskin]

“Tell me, uncle, is it not for nothing that Moscow, burnt by fire, was given to the Frenchman?

Admit it, did Kutuzov then take a big bribe from the French?
The king signed the agreement
And left a civilian in the city?

How much were the orders
For the Battle of Borodino?

If in 1812 there were all-weapons.

[Ingenegr]

Not in the living. There is either a misunderstanding of the situation, or a conscious distortion.
Let me remind you: in 1812, the strongest army in Europe went to Russia in order to capture and control territory and resources. From the very beginning, Russia waged a war of liberation, during which, at the first stage, it was natural to fight defensive battles and retreat, and not some abstract "military operation."
Is there a difference with the current situation?

[Stas157]

Quote: kebeskin

How much were the orders
For the Battle of Borodino?»

You don’t compare the Patriotic War with an incomprehensible NWO. The guards are absolutely crazy! Before they surrendered Moscow, the battle was grandiose. And the enemy is superior.

And now what?
Where is the very "Borodino", tell me?
Where are our hundreds of planes, thousands of tanks and a trained army of almost a million people, which we were proud of?
A superpower of 150 million, which geographically covers a 30 million non-country, is losing and surrendering territories without a fight.

[kebeskin]

NWO is essentially a forced measure where we are fighting with a united Europe in the face of NATO.
Yes, not quite directly, but the abundance of foreigners, intelligence data, provision of weapons, training, etc. shows that it is not Movsem Ukrainians abandoned to the mercy of fate. And the efforts of a united enemy are against us.

Before the great battle there was not one city left.

Well, about the defeat is not surprising. We fight in most of those that got from the USSR. We do not have any global production facilities. We will buy capitalism from our neighbors - no, we will not buy it.
Maybe everything is fine with our ideology - it's lame. When the contractors told us that the fire had started, we quit, too, of course, having fun. Well, there are many shortcomings that can be listed for a long time.

And the current hatred and an attack of zrada in the Society is a hysteria before parting with illusions.
The feeling of anger and hatred will be remembered for a long time. Hotheads will not lead to anything good on the territory of their native country. You need to realize how to live with such realities now and what you can do to win by transforming your anger.
Being on the edge is also not particularly an option. Reality will speak unpleasantly of itself.

[Stas157]

Quote: kebeskin

And the current hatred and an attack of zrada in the Society is a hysteria before parting with illusions.

They said right.

[AdAstra]

Can you give a link where you can see the captured NATO soldiers?

[Johann Klassen]

Do you want to see??? Go to the front line, feel it on your own skin, God will give everything and you will see.

[guest]

Quote: kebeskin

NWO is essentially a forced measure where we are fighting with a united Europe

Well, in 1812 they fought with all of Europe.

[Rutrick]

Maybe just to all normal people who were not "proud", but thought, and so everything was obvious? Maybe there is no millionth army? And there are ground forces of 280 thousand people (well, there are also airborne marines), which are 40% composed of conscripts (who do not fight), and half-equipped units throughout the entire war. The rest of the army is the Strategic Missile Forces, completely useless in this war, an almost useless fleet, for the most part useless Air Force. And there is Ukraine with a comparable number of infantry 700+ thousand mobilized and thousands of foreign instructors and mercenaries. There is an archaic control system, huge problems in intelligence, communications and target designation (which everyone who was not "proud" but thought about) knew, there is a completely incompetent top leadership and military command. There is also a plan according to which soldiers in dense columns enter the abum into enemy territory under the blows of enemy artillery and getting into ambushes. These soldiers do not understand what they are doing and what they are fighting for. As a result, significant losses and a hasty retreat with the loss of hundreds of pieces of equipment. And on the other hand, we may not be so epic but better organized (at the beginning for sure), fired, motivated armed forces, to which the normal command (from across the ocean) made a NORMAL plan and who knew everything about "our" intentions. And then with this, the guys begin to supply important equipment and technology worth tens of billions of dollars (plus carry out exploration and planning in the first category). What did you expect in this case?

[Leader_Barmaleev]

No pilot in his right mind would ever go beyond the limits of the manual. So there was an order. Criminal ORAL order. And it turns out that while it is possible to shoot at 45 degrees, then all the fellows - both pilots and commanders, but when (not if !!!) the pilot is ruined, and the low altitude and steep angle do not imply salvation, then only the pilot will be to blame, because THIS IS HIS PERSONAL INITIATIVE. And that's all - no benefits to the family, no other gingerbread, since the pilot VIOLATED the technical instructions and he himself died and ruined the materiel. It’s good that they won’t deduct from the family ...

[Mwg]

"Not a single pilot in his right mind will ever go beyond the borders ... So there was an order" - all that was left was to tear the vest on his chest to shreds and fall to the floor in convulsions of despair. There was an order - there was no order, it doesn’t matter ... The main thing is to shout loudly “probably one hundred percent, there was an order” ... Like ...

[Leader_Barmaleev]

God, what an expression, what a temperamental burl of emotions in the complete absence of the informational component of this ultrasound ... And now the question to which I would very much like to get an answer - what, in fact, did you want to say?

[Mwg]

"And now the question to which I would very much like to receive an answer - what, in fact, did you want to say?" - alarmist on the ship - the first enemy of the passenger.

[Leader_Barmaleev]

From your not detailed, not informative and essentially meaningless answer, only one conclusion can be drawn - everything is very sad with cause-and-effect relationships in your head. Now tighten up and try again, only more meaningful.

[Mwg]

No need to try to pretend with compound sentences that "our wisdom is incomprehensible", everything is simply readable: a comment by an alarmist, well, or deliberately trying to create panic (which is a sign of hostility). Panickers - overboard! )))))))))

[Leader_Barmaleev]

If there's an alarmist out of the two of us, it's definitely not me. I calmly and reasonably explain that there are things that cannot be done, justified by war and other nonsense due to their original criminality. You, in response to me, without a single argument, give out a set of female vibrations in raised tones. Annoys.

[usr01]

"... opportunities beyond those laid down by the designers ..." - when I read this, I understand that the author GENERALLY! Doesn't understand what design is. i.e. "he studied at school, but it did not affect him in any way ..." (c)

[Mwg]

It's you in the heat of the moment, I think. Are they designing for the ordered performance characteristics? And is the start from the pitch-up the same as the TTX parameter? Accordingly, was the construct considered under the performance characteristics? Not? Or I'm wrong?

[Leader_Barmaleev]

Of course, you are mistaken - the flight instruction for the KA-52 implies the launch of missiles and other shooting from a pitch-up, the angle of which DOES NOT EXCEED 20 DEGREES. And neither the terms of reference nor strength calculations go beyond this border. Learn materiel.

[usr01]

Quote: MVG

Are they designing for the ordered performance characteristics?

of course .. in short - according to the ordered performance characteristics and standard reserves (strength, elasticity, fatigue ... for compression, tension, twisting ....... [and calculate all this .. and even reliably .. but impossible! ]) they designed something there ...
somehow there (on the knee and with mats) they made prototypes (with a cost of 10..20 ... ??? times higher than the serial one) (and not one!) and that's all! know what they completely differentthan something - what happens in the series ...
testing prototypes...
then the installation series .. and again the test!
и all the time testing!!! on the basis of which the instruction is written (instruction on flights, how to "dive" to a submarine, and how to fly a satellite ....) As they say - "The charter of the guard service is written in blood", and such instructions are written by the "nerves and gray hair" of the testers ( and sometimes blood...
And if some reckless daredevil exceeded something there ... then this is not for long .. and not an example to follow ....
Although in a combat situation ... therefore, the reserves are 15-20 times !!!
(and in a household elevator - on a cable - 9-11 and is considered "crazy" )

[B-15]

"The helicopter is an upgraded version of the Ka-50 Black Shark. It has better aerodynamic characteristics and is less visible to radar."
What kind of nonsense? The helicopter received an enlarged cabin, new engines. And how could this affect the reduction in visibility?
Technical writing is not easy. You have to understand the subject. And so it all looks like a caper.
Although the car itself turned out to be extremely successful. This is true.
And, of course, I would like to commemorate with a kind word the test pilot who gave his life for the sake of this helicopter - Evgeny Ivanovich Laryushin. Eternal memory to him.

[hellcos]

If the staff has to be heroic and act in excess of the norm, then the organization of labor is bad. This also applies to the army. As a rule, selflessness then comes back to haunt exhaustion / wear and tear

[B-15]

This helicopter has great potential, and if the instruction for a simple flight crew has some reloads for inexperience, then the machine itself can perform the Nesterov loop. Although not with any external factors.

[hellcos]

I partly agree with you, here's what confused me in the text:

demonstrating the possibilities beyond those laid down by the designers

Opaque so hints at hazing

[B-15]

I have already noted here about the incompetence of the author, or a person loves hatred.
This does not contribute to an objective perception of reality.

[novel66]

perform Nesterov's loop

while launching NURSs in one gulp

[Mwg]

Completely agree with you. BUT! There are fewer sober-minded commentators than "subtle-feelings" among commentators, and therefore your comment is unlikely to be appreciated by the majority.
))))))))))))))))))))

[Coward]

- Commander, Molotov said that the war with Germany had begun! The Nazis are advancing along the entire western border! German aviation is bombing cities and airfields! Do you understand or not?
I understood, of course, the meaning of this terrible message. But then he did not yet realize what the people, the country and, of course, every pilot would have to go through. I didn't know where to start. And yet he took off all the prohibition signs, safety rubber bands from the many levers, toggle switches and latches in the cockpit and, giving them to the equipment, said: - Do not show me all this until the end of the war. Now it's not about safety. An aircraft, like a pilot, must give everything in combat that it is capable of, and a little more than that. Understood?

[Mwg]

"Now in a special operation, helicopters fly at low altitudes and at those speeds at which it is possible to fly over the terrain. Usually the Ka-52's pitch angle is 20 degrees, and pilots now launch missiles from a pitch angle of 40-45 degrees" - precisely because for ultra-low altitudes and this is possible, and also because of a decrease in the temperature of the external environment. The atmospheric pressure is higher, the density of the atmosphere is greater - the bearing capacity of the propellers is higher. Accordingly, there is no flow stall from the blade during kickback at start-up when pitching at a higher degree. And also, most likely, at start-up, gas is given to the rotation of the main rotor

[Nevsky_ZU]

And what about the protection of the Ka-52 at the airfields of Russia, I hope they are well guarded? There was infa that the Ukrainians near Pskov blew them up. Some of the videos were blurry. True or fake, I don't know.

[Sergio63]

I agree, a good machine for destruction !!! For some reason, little is said about MI 28?

[viktor_ui]

And since when has his aerodynamics become better than that of the Ka-50? With what fright suddenly? The maximum speed fell under a hundred, and the aerodynamics became better - did the windshield apparently contribute to a wider one? GENIUS

[kill the fascist]

Somewhere I read or heard such a phrase: the heroism of some is, as a rule, gouging and negligence of others. And the helicopter is good - yes.

[VictorVictor]

Quote: Leader_Barmaleev

No pilot in his right mind would ever go beyond the limits of the manual. So there was an order. Criminal ORAL order. And it turns out that while it is possible to shoot at 45 degrees, then all the fellows - both pilots and commanders, but when (not if !!!) the pilot is ruined, and the low altitude and steep angle do not imply salvation, then only the pilot will be to blame, because THIS IS HIS PERSONAL INITIATIVE. And that's all - no benefits to the family, no other gingerbread, since the pilot VIOLATED the technical instructions and he himself died and ruined the materiel. It’s good that they won’t deduct from the family ...

SUCH orders CAN be given only after consultations and preliminary tests at the test sites. All orders are documented, and the one who ordered, not understanding what he was doing, sits down under the tribunal. Do not yell, if not in the tooth with your foot.

[Leader_Barmaleev]

And remind me, my dear, when did you and I baptize pigs for brotherhood? Don't you remember? So I don't remember. So I came to the cultural community - follow the established rules. This is also relevant to your comment - there was no order to change the flight manual for the KA-52 for the Russian Air Force.

[art having]

Cabrating is when, with its nose up, the most modern combat helicopter launches ammunition, hell knows where?
Undoubtedly, this is a matter of pride!

[Hey]

The helicopter has superpowers, and then, the service personnel have a superpower without people to guard the helicopters, and a sabotage group comes, and its superpowers are over. Or some boss has a superpower to place supercapable helicopters at a jump airfield in the artillery coverage area, and ordinary pieces of iron with TNT without any superpowers turn supercapable devices into a pile of scrap metal.

[vovochkarzhevsky]

In Afghanistan, he personally allowed a 24-degree roll on the Mi-90 in a turn. But this is because of his youth and foolishness, what to take from a lieutenant?
Another thing is that all this aerobatics is not needed to launch an ATGM. The only question is why they take at least ATGMs for a flight, or even don’t take them at all.

[iouris]

And you can quickly rotate around the Y axis while shooting NURS.

[VictorVictor]

Quote: Leader_Barmaleev

And remind me, my dear, when did you and I baptize pigs for brotherhood? Don't you remember? So I don't remember. So I came to the cultural community - follow the established rules. This is also relevant to your comment - there was no order to change the flight manual for the KA-52 for the Russian Air Force.

Yes, it's easier to shoot yourself than to sit on the same hectare with you. Calm down, YOU have to earn. And baptize pigs - please - I give you a monopoly.

[iouris]

A helicopter (and another aircraft) cannot demonstrate "capabilities in excess of those laid down by the designers." This is nonsense. Patamushta he is iron!
God forbid the crew to realize the pledged in full. It is impossible for army aviation to act as "planned by the designers". Patamushta on the front line hundreds of "Stingers" (and not only).

[Sedoy]

Usually the Ka-52's pitch angle is 20 degrees, and pilots now launch missiles from a pitch angle of 40-45 degrees.

well, yes ... by mortar ... :)
with which we congratulate them ...

[Victorovich]

The helicopter is great.
Helicopter pilots are great.
But alas and ah, the results of the CBO are quite sad.
The General Staff screwed up...

[storm]

For firing NURs from cobration, such a modern and expensive helicopter as the Ka-52M is not needed, for these purposes the old Mi-24 "crocodiles" are also suitable.
The Ka-52M should operate with guided munitions from a long range against strategically important targets or as a command center for controlling strike UAVs.

[Ponchik78]

The Ka-52M is equipped with the SVP-24 system, which allows you to shoot NURSs quite accurately even from a pitch-up.

[Beaver]

Helicopters are great. We are not able to use. Professionalism is not our favorite word. In the first place "rest", "vacation" ... Nothing good will come of this trend.

[Yumico]

"Russian reconnaissance and attack helicopters Ka-52, ... demonstrating capabilities beyond those laid down by the designers. This was reported by a source in the military department."
I am sure that this talker - "a source in the military department" - does not know the true characteristics, which in reality were laid down in the Soviet design bureaus for products of military equipment, from the words: "neither by ear, nor by snout ..."

[50 years on the stocks]

you can still ram enemy ground forces with a directed strike

[Glucky73]

I didn’t understand why it’s so difficult to release NURs into the sky from an angle of 45 degrees. It's harder to hit from that angle.

[Zaurbek]

It is interesting to learn about the use of the radar ..... there is a shaft of armored vehicles, like artillery, and everything should glow on the radar.

[Alexander Tkachenko]

"From cabriolet" - nurses?
How is targeting done?
Range, direction
Or according to the principle "in that direction", and there whom God will send??!!