CNN: The withdrawal of troops to the left bank of the Dnieper will allow the Russian command to stabilize the defense

The regrouping of Russian troops and the retreat from the right-bank bridgehead to the left bank of the Dnieper will allow the defense in depth to be restored, as well as to establish stable supply routes for the group. Attempts by the Armed Forces of Ukraine to force the Dnieper will cost them an exorbitant price. This forecast is made by the American television channel CNN.

Withdrawing troops from the right bank to the left, Russia continues to control most of the Kherson region, including access to the Sea of ​​Azov. A defense in depth allows not only to hold positions, complicating the attempts of the Armed Forces of Ukraine to further attack by forcing the Dnieper, but also to strike on the right bank. Surovikin stabilizes the defense after several "difficult months".

As long as Russian troops control the left bank of the Dnieper, it will be difficult for Ukrainian forces to damage or destroy the canal through which fresh water enters Crimea.

- consider in CNN.

In addition, there is a high probability that the withdrawal of troops from the right-bank bridgehead that has begun is nothing more than a trap that the Russian command is trying to arrange for the Ukrainian troops. In this case, the units of the Russian army will not completely leave the right bank. However, many Western experts are skeptical about this, saying that leaving the troops on the bridgehead, the command of the Russian group will only complicate the situation for themselves.

At the same time, it is noted that although the decision to withdraw troops from the right bank of the Dnieper was announced only on Wednesday, November 9, it was made much earlier. Russia carried out preliminary preparations, evacuated the population, and only after that announced a regrouping. According to analysts, this will make it possible to draw up reserves from those mobilized, whose training has not yet been completed.

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[Leshy1975]

I was among those who, until the very last moment, did not believe that Putin would decide to start the FIRST military operation in Ukraine. Although he believed that the Russian Federation would get involved in the conflict, in response to the Ukrainian offensive in the Donbass, when there would be nowhere to go. And he was very surprised that he was so mistaken in his understanding of the situation and Putin personally. Well, of course, the man is finally ready to cut this Gordian knot and, full of determination, which he had not seen before, set to work.
But, as the further course of the SVO (strange military operation) showed, I was not much mistaken, Putin remained Putin. Capable of bluffing, but no more, with his favorite tactic of shifting responsibility to anyone, so as not to take it upon himself. The continuation of self-isolation with incomprehensible guarantees to whom and to whom and at whose expense, eventually led to a logical continuation, in the form of self-sufficiency of the mobilized and shifting responsibility to the governors of the regions and other structures (the Wagner defense line or the creation of a militia in the Belgorod region, which was also taken up by PMC Wagner, and not state structures).
Here, many do not believe, refuse to believe that the surrender of Kherson is a banal agreement, for the sake of saving their own skins by the authorities of the Russian Federation. And they write that this is such a military necessity, predetermined by events at the front almost since the beginning of summer. But my good ones, firstly, I agree with those who point out that it is much easier to defend the higher right bank of the Dnieper than the left one, and the ZSU thus release disproportionately large (compared to the Russian Federation) forces for operations in other sectors of the front. Plus, mobilization in the territories we left behind (just let's not say that everyone left, yeah). It doesn’t even make sense to talk about the recaptured Kherson and how many lives of our fighters it will cost and what the regional center that we inherited without a fight will turn into. And, perhaps most importantly, what was the point of holding a referendum on joining if Kherson was doomed and this was predetermined since the beginning of summer? To set people up like that, only cannibals do that.
So, there is no logic here, well, or I don’t see it. But the logic and chronology of bargaining, backed up by constant howls (calls for negotiations from the Russian Federation), as well as actions when one step forward, two steps back, then a jump to the side, I see. I see betrayal. No matter how badly I felt about Mr. Shoigu or Gerasimov, the decision not to destroy the bridges and other important logistical infrastructure of Ukraine could only be taken at the very top of the POLITICAL authorities of the Russian Federation.
May our fighters forgive me, but I will say what I have understood for a long time. I do not see any actions (not on their part, well done fighters, no doubts) on the part of the supreme power of the Russian Federation, aimed at achieving VICTORY. I see a consistent concession of initial demands and consistent deflections, I see a desire to freeze the conflict at almost any cost, from the penultimate one: an enchantingly quick return to the grain deal, how is it, tankers and container ships not prescribed in this deal, no longer interfere with anyone?
And I will ask a rather terrible, cynical, but quite logical question, how are we (the Russian Federation) going to win this war, if, in my opinion, the supreme power of the Russian Federation is not ready, but in fact, it merges this SVO (t .e ZSU can afford to destroy bridges and isolate the area of ​​operation, and the RF Armed Forces, in response, cannot isolate the left-bank area)? Ordinary, contrary to leadership, will win? That doesn't happen.
Here, of course, a logical question arises, and who and what exactly considers victory, how similar is the understanding, so to speak, of the “deep people” and the supreme power of the Russian Federation.

And because the text turns out to be quite voluminous, then the continuation will follow, but it is possible that not today.

[akropin]

The fact that the agreement is indirectly confirmed by all foreign "partners" expressing satisfaction and approval with the actions of our Ministry of Defense.

[Dmitrii]

Yes! Apparently it's a bargain. You can see how many foreign publications, as if to order, write things that encourage the Russian peasant.

[akropin]

Ugums, only something encouraging does not work in any way.

[Canep]

In the West, the media began to write about the surrender of Kherson a week before Suravikin’s report under cameras (why? It’s the same as it’s normal to broadcast live from a meeting of the leadership of a warring army, everyone does it). A friend from Germany calls me with the question "What are your Kherson rents?"

[former soldier]

Apparently it's a bargain. You can see how many foreign publications, as if to order, write things that encourage the Russian peasant.

Not understood. And what is the concession of the West in this "agreement"?

[Dmitrii]

Well, we'll soon find out. There is an opinion among political scientists and economists that they agreed a long time ago.

[akropin]

For example, they undertake not to shoot at the Zaporozhye nuclear power plant.

[former soldier]

For example, they undertake not to shoot at the Zaporozhye nuclear power plant

Those. pledge not to shoot themselves in the forehead.

[Mavrikiy]

Quote: Former soldier

Those. pledge not to shoot themselves in the forehead.

But after all, for several months they shot and hit.

[Xnumx vis]

Quote: akropin

For example, they undertake not to shoot at the Zaporozhye nuclear power plant.

Wait, it's not evening yet .. Perhaps we will all soon hear that, due to expediency, it is necessary to leave the Zaporozhye nuclear power plant, Mariupol, Donetsk, Belgorod, Voronezh. Kursk, Simferopol, sink warships and leave Sevastopol ...! God forbid, of course ... But the farther the weirder and weirder this whole bastard operation ... The country had ten years to build the Army and Navy !! There was huge money, opportunities ... No, you give football championships, the Olympics in Sochi, all kinds of Yeltsin centers! For the money spent on these Yeltsin center and protochi glampings and hrenpings, it was possible to create a tank army! With the money spent on the Olympic Games in Sochi, re-equip the ground army ... Anger! Only anger. They also foisted 300 billion gold and foreign exchange money as a ransom to the amers ... Where are we going to fight ... but you don’t interfere ....

[Canep]

Quote: 30 vis

leave the Zaporozhye nuclear power plant, Mariupol, Donetsk, Belgorod, Voronezh. Kursk, Simferopol

And also Rostov (and Voronezh), - Liz Truss has already laid eyes on them, she knew something.
In general, it is more convenient to go to the defense on the right bank of the Ob. He is tall and comfortable for the defenders.

[Hitriy Zhuk]

Yes, to hell with her, Although all 4 blow up - the Russian Federation and the Republic of Belarus are completely evacuated beyond the Urals, in full force.
This is for Europe to sit there in a radioactive viper.

[alexoff]

Refusal of the next package of sanctions, allowing the oligarchs to take part of the frozen funds with the transfer of the rest to Zelensky's pocket. I still dare to suggest that they will not blockade Kaliningrad and crush Transnistria for the time being

[Aleprok]

https://topwar.ru/204644-italjanskaja-pressa-ssha-i-nato-gotovy-k-peregovoram-s-rossiej-s-pozicii-sily-v-sluchae-vzjatija-hersona-vsu.html?yrwinfo=1668079920342031-11995695188503344894-vla0-8793-3ba-vla-l7-balancer-8080-BAL-2455

[Anachoret]

CNN: The withdrawal of troops to the left bank of the Dnieper will allow the Russian command to stabilize the defense

Everything in this title is "beautiful"))
It turns out that Russian troops entered the territory of Ukraine in order to defend themselves (such a SVO is a special military defense,
Considering that the left bank is lower and indented by floodplains in the Kherson region ... it can be assumed that after massive losses on the defense of such an inconvenient area as the left bank from the Kakhovskaya HPP to the sea along the Dnieper ...
Then, it is better to formulate the phrase differently ...
The withdrawal of troops to the left bank of the Dnieper will allow the Russian command to justify the further withdrawal of troops to the borders of the Crimean isthmus ... and thereafter, as long as the meanness and cowardice of the Russian General Staff is enough (
It looks like agreements on the liberation of grain-growing territories owned by overseas investors

[novel66]

as Wrangel's experience showed, digging is also not a frontier ...

[VPK-65]

Given that left bank below and cut up by floodplains in the Kherson region ... it can be assumed that after massive losses on the defense of such an inconvenient area

"Shores" are easy to confuse/lose. Want to listen to creepy thrash?
Tsargrad: TASS military commentator (from about 22 minutes)
https://youtu.be/04hGzMKGzs0?t=1275
PS summary of 5 minute nonsense for those who are too lazy to listen:
1. The right and left banks are confused in places.
2. It turns out we will regroup on the HIGH shore.
3. As soon as we get there... we will open the floodgates and wash away with water... those who are lower (i.e. ourselves).
The game is terrible, who paid the salary to this "expert" in quotation marks all his life ???

[Nastia makarova]

everyone who is subject to mobilization has left, there are no fools to go to war

[sibiryouk]

Fools, no! But there are cowards, dodgers, rogues, etc. What else to expect from the petty-bourgeois state of the Russian Federation!

[Plate]

Quote: Leshy1975

Here, many do not believe, refuse to believe that the surrender of Kherson is a banal agreement, for the sake of saving their own skins by the authorities of the Russian Federation.

So the guaranteed benefit of the authorities of the Russian Federation is unclear, if this is suddenly an agreement. I personally don’t see it, and therefore I don’t consider it an agreement, but simply a military failure.

Quote: Leshy1975

And, perhaps most importantly, what was the point of holding a referendum on joining if Kherson was doomed and this was predetermined since the beginning of summer?

This is really incomprehensible. If the government hadn't "hyped" these referendums, as a result, it would have lost much fewer points now, probably.

Quote: Leshy1975

in my opinion, the supreme power of the Russian Federation is not ready, but in fact, it generally merges this NWO

If so, why even start this CBO? Wouldn't it have been easier to just raise your paws, announcing that we had agreed with the West, and then everything would be fine? Personally, it seems to me that the authorities turned out to be simply insufficiently prepared and insufficiently competent, which, however, does little to justify them.
I don’t think that there is any direct global betrayal here, because I don’t see any sense in it for those in power. The desire to live in the West - so go and live, now you don’t have to become a traitor for this.

[Bayun]

US-RF - "good and evil cops".

The main blow was designed for the EU and completely worked. Ukraine is, in general, a completely uninteresting "trifle" in this global scam.

The Anglo-Saxons were not satisfied with pipeline logistics. And here the former (?) Allies also agreed. RF - extracts, Anglo-Saxons - carry. Everyone is happy and satisfied, except for the EU suckers who will pay exorbitant prices for oil and gas.

[novel66]

just a military failure.

no, there is both a political failure and moral harm .... complete oops ...

[Dmitrii]

The main benefit is the destruction of globalization ties, that is, the economic benefit. And referendums were needed in order to fix the disputed territories.

[ABC-schutze]

These "connections" also imply military connections, by the way. Moreover, for the enemies of Russia, they are the priority ...

For this, without physically "cutting off" the US and NATO from the Black Sea coast of the former united Ukraine by a land corridor up to Tiraspol, you will not interrupt any globalist ties between the US and NATO in this direction...

[Dmitrii]

The NATO bloc itself without the United States does not have the necessary concentration of forces. And the Pentagon can't do anything without the US Congress. Globalistic ties are the IMF, the banking system. Everything is connected by its network - credit money. Sanctions were just introduced so that the political elites of our country, protecting their capital, would rock the boat. Well, it hasn't happened yet. Yes, and it probably won't.

[ABC-schutze]

The NATO bloc is the "very" military component that the US is building and the "globalist ties" you mentioned...

So there is no need to "narrow down" this topic with a stereotyped repetition of theses about the "IMF and the banking system."

For all this works for the "owner" who builds these ties "for himself" only if it is supported by the IMF and the banking system standing "behind the back" and the military potential working for the interests of Uncle Sam ...

And not only the military potential, "actually American", but also the military potential of all, collected by Uncle Sam in his "flock" of tobacco. In this case, NATO tobaccos...

[Leshy1975]

Quote: Plate

I don’t think that there is any direct global betrayal here, because I don’t see any sense in it for those in power. The desire to live in the West - so go and live, now you don’t have to become a traitor for this.

At first, unjustified expectations for an easy walk around Ukraine crashed into harsh reality. Well, only later, when the supreme power of the Russian Federation came to realize into which hive they put their fifth point, then the “battle cry” was heard (up there, at the top) - half-hearted, save yourself who can! And from that moment on, betrayal begins. When the lives of the rest of the ordinary citizens (fighters, or remember the shots where the bastards dump the dead civilians into the pit after we left the Kharkov region) do not matter (in this place, Taira affably waves her pen to everyone, and the sons of Ussa and Yakunin from the European prison look with hope at Kremlin), if only to save themselves and maintain power. They surrendered the civilians, returned the Azov people, agreed to lift the naval blockade of Ukraine (which objectively helps Ukraine to fight), etc. and the like, in the conditions of the ongoing war, how else can this be called, if not a betrayal? Well, the fact that this is all possible consequence

Quote: Plate

Personally, it seems to me that the authorities turned out to be simply insufficiently prepared and insufficiently competent, which, however, does little to justify them.

I agree that this does not justify them, and even more so that instead of correcting the failures made, the authorities, instead of doing everything for the Victory, rushed to beg for negotiations. Well, who needs it? Those who were tortured and shot dead in a pit near Kupyansk or Liman definitely did not need this.

[Xnumx vis]

Quote: Leshy1975

Those who were tortured and shot dead in a pit near Kupyansk or Liman definitely did not need this.

Now there is a real possibility that this body will be thrown into the pit by a Svidobanderite .. in any case, people living in Donetsk, Lugansk, Sevastopol ... Damn, I’ll blow myself up and one of the Svidomo ...

[Ivan Ivanov]

So the guaranteed benefit of the authorities of the Russian Federation is unclear, if this is suddenly an agreement. I personally don’t see it, and therefore I don’t consider it an agreement, but simply a military failure.
If so, why even start this CBO? Wouldn't it have been easier to just raise your paws, announcing that we had agreed with the West, and then everything would be fine? Personally, it seems to me that the authorities turned out to be simply insufficiently prepared and insufficiently competent, which, however, does little to justify them.
I don’t think that there is any kind of global betrayal here, because I don’t see any sense in it for those in power

Yes, it most likely is

[credo]

Quote: Leshy1975

.... Here, of course, a logical question arises, and who and what exactly considers victory, how much the understanding of the “deep people” and the supreme power of the Russian Federation, so to speak, coincides.

I think the population of the country, due to the lack of complete information about Ukraine and the actions of the Anglo-Saxons in Ukraine and the NWO, has more questions than answers.

Here you and I are on the same side, but we don't want to draw hasty conclusions even realizing that such information may be disclosed in 50 or 100 years.

[kor1vet1974]

Although he believed that the Russian Federation would get involved in the conflict, in response to the Ukrainian offensive in the Donbass, when there would be nowhere to go.

As the situation develops, it seems that the blow was struck first, not because they were ready, but because they were not ready.

[U-58]

"We have shortened the front line."
Somewhere I already heard it. In historical films about the Second World War.
Will this allow for the transfer of forces to other sectors?
Allow.
But about the defense of the left bank in Kherson.
And will the Armed Forces of Ukraine strive to force the Dnieper?
Almost definitely NO.
They have achieved the unattainable.
So to hell with your victory????
They are far from fools there and they will also transfer troops to where it becomes hot.
And to give forecasts for this section of the front is a thankless task.
Especially in the light of the FULL predictability of the further inaction of the Red Army in this area
Unless they fire cannons. By area.

[Thrifty]

Goblin 1975 - everything goes to the fact that we will have to fight in the depths of Russia, and with such power, the issue of the existence of the country has become a vital issue for us today and now!

[ABC-schutze]

And I have long noticed that the "first thing", if they already decided to start a NWO with the main tasks of "demilitarization" and "denazification" of the regime on the territory of the former united Ukraine, should have been regular and targeted strikes on "decision-making centers" Kyiv regime and their inhabitants...

But the NINTH month of NWO is coming, and NOT ONE, not even a "hint" of such a blow. Instead, if they sporadically "sweep", then nothing more than some kind of "staff garbage" of the brigade level or "slightly higher" ...

And the team of Kyiv clowns continues to calmly entertain the world with their reprises and "hospitably" receive "visitors", calmly arranging all sorts of "excursions" for them...

By the way, even the effective and regular strikes against the critical infrastructure of the Kyiv Natsiks (so far energy ...) that had begun "was" and then, quite to themselves, against the background of the "negotiation" ringing - the farce, obviously "fell quiet" ...

In short, in fact, the main "talking" Kremlin inhabitant is increasingly reminiscent of a "cardboard macho" ...

[Ivan Ivanov]

It is not yet clear what the Russian Federation will get from the hypothetical agreement. There seems to be a military logic of withdrawal, but the political costs are serious. Unfortunately, yes, the goals of the NMD are still incomprehensible, the dashing attack was only partially successful, many of the results gained had to be abandoned in the end, and for a real victory (the western borders of the pig farm) a completely different mobilization / transformation of society is needed, a completely different level of inclusion of the allies (weapons, international brigades, economics) from here dancing forward-backward-sideways. The main question for hands-woo is why there was no plan B?

[alexey_444]

But didn’t they try to admit the idea that the enemy was stronger than us? All agreements, but you dream of an indecisive Putin. Count how many missiles you need to destroy bridges, but do we have them? You need to appoint a commander to the front and try to send your soldiers on the offensive, with losses, our Ukrainians don’t want to send them stupid Ukrainians, they’re already tired of smart people

[Ivan Ivanov]

But didn’t they try to admit the idea that the enemy was stronger than us? All agreements, but you dream of an indecisive Putin

Those. miscalculated/explored potential and poor response preparation. The brainwashing of the pig breeder lay on the surface, the level of support from the West could be assumed, for this set of circumstances it was necessary to prepare the economy, the military-industrial complex, society, and the army.

[alexey_444]

Ideally, yes, but our enemy overseas is monitoring the situation, and if someone thinks that they were sitting and waiting for us to strengthen, they are very naive

[alexoff]

Apparently they monitored the brains of senior officers and generals, they were aware that they would score on all sorts of fortifications and camouflage, that they would not be able to use the extremely numerous artillery available anywhere except Mariupol, that they would not carry out operations behind enemy lines, that they would not touch one Ukrainian official or someone older than a colonel that they don’t organize detachments to catch missile systems (did they burn at least one set of points?), that it seems like a hundred outposts-r will not hang along the front line and monitor everything that missile strikes will not be a component operations, but only actions of retaliation, that no one will even try to raze Avdiivka to the ground, and so on. etc.

[alexey_444]

The Americans in the desert storm failed to capture, destroy more than one scud, in ideal conditions (desert), with absolute superiority of intelligence, we cannot equalize fortified areas, air defense will bring down, it happens in a war, look at wrestling or judo when equal rivals, this is bad for us all - agree

[alexoff]

Yes, as if Blucher was made the commander of either the country or the ministry:
In the order of the People's Commissar of Defense of the USSR No. 0040 on September 4, 1938, it was said “... Even after receiving instructions from the Government to stop fussing with all sorts of commissions and investigations and on the exact implementation of the decisions of the Soviet government and the orders of the People's Commissar, Comrade Blucher does not change his defeatist position and still sabotages the organization of an armed rebuff to the Japanese. Things got to the point that on August 1 with. d. when talking on a direct wire TT. Stalin, Molotov and Voroshilov with Comrade Blucher, Comrade Stalin was forced to ask him a question: Tell me, Comrade Blucher, honestly, do you have a desire to really fight the Japanese. If you don’t have such a desire, say it straight out, as befits a communist, and if you have a desire, I would think that you should go to the place immediately ... "

I think our rulers have no desire to win, they don't really understand what to do with victory. Like, will you have to pull the metro to Troyeshchina instead of the metro somewhere in Kazan? Another 12 million pence? No-no-no, your president is Zelensky, as they said on the very first day of the NWO. Yes, they do not know what to do from most of the regions, there are no resources, there are no Soviet factories either. So they are doing garbage at the expense of millions of people. And that you can’t take the fortified areas is nonsense, the division of hailstones will level Avdiivka to zero in a couple of weeks, but there is also a coking plant of friends that no one even fires at by chance! And the state has enough funds to buy monthly releases of quadrocopters directly from Chinese factories, but victory frightens them just as much as defeat.

[alexey_444]

At one time, I asked my grandfather how the Germans fought, he said our gun was firing, they didn’t have time to roll back out of laziness, arrival, upside down, this was when there were no satellites, copters, etc., we wake up in the morning and the Germans dragged off the officer. Each strategist who lies that Putin is weak, put in a trench and give the order to advance, immediately the brains will fall into place. We fight like this because we value life, Ukrainians do not. They sent to Pavlovna. Help the governor guard, but Ukrainians don’t scream stupidly go into a meat grinder, they die, but if you want for some reason we don’t equate something with the ground, watch the film the best of hell, it’s in a cultural form, it’s shown how it happens in life, and not in Wishlist. Stalin could have been shot, and our Red Army soldiers stormed Perekop, walked in icy water, no one counted how many of them faded from hypothermia. Try to send fighters now, you will be shot on the spot for a criminal order.

[alexoff]

More than our own lives, we value the lives of Ukrainian officials and oligarchs. And also all sorts of participants in punitive battalions and mercenaries. And also an ammonia pipeline, for which they are ready to pay in advance, and then resent that they threw us again and raised the price. According to my feelings, if the Ukrainians did not climb forward, did not carry out sabotage, but simply bristled and sat in a deaf defense, Putin would have turned off the NWO. Since all the blows of the last months are a reaction to another jamb of the security forces, and not part of the plan.

[alexey_444]

We don't really know how it really is. We operate with emotions here and now, and we cannot think what will happen in 5-10 years with our information. Therefore, when everyone was indignant about the summer break, why are we not advancing ... and why, later to support pensioners, infrastructure, but we need to, let the West fork out. Our task is to destroy the potential of our opponents, so that they do not climb on us and will not turn into North Korea. From my belfry, we are successfully coping with this task. It worked out with Georgia, Ukraine is bigger and the people there are dumber and the operation will continue longer.

[alexoff]

Well, while the Americans are robbing the Europeans and pushing them to war with us with their puppets. Americans will be richer, they will be whole, millions of specialists from Europe will come to them, and we? We have a grain deal, according to this deal, Ukrainians export grain, tankers and dry cargo ships come to them (apparently also for grain), but in return? The deal assumes that there is profit in both directions. I don't see her at all. In general, they don’t seem to know how to monetize victories and defeats, some kind of impotence, I would say - ok, Ukrainians can export grain through Sevastopol and other Crimean ports, and through Novorossiysk, here’s a railway untouched by the war. But no, we are all without profit. Pakistanis get a discount on oil, a discount for Indians, a discount for Turks, another 25% for gas, we export grain without processing it into flour, we give fertilizers from arrested ships, we forget about arrested accounts, we return debts en masse. The Americans will receive money here and there, and they will enrich themselves on grain, and Ukraine will be a plus for them, and they will send free fools to fight against us to the heap. And ours are fighting extremely inefficiently, they cannot establish the production of new weapons and seem to not want to. It’s like the orions have been doing it in three shifts for half a year already, they should have done many dozens, but why aren’t there pictures of the airfields where they stand, well, at least three pieces are nearby? They say there are no such engines, but each engine for them costs about 50 thousand bucks, they are sold widely, even if through intermediaries twice as much as a hundred engines - 10 million bucks, that's a penny for the army!

[alexey_444]

Everything works out for the Americans because they live in a system that they themselves created, of course we lose with their marked cards, a jamb on a jamb, but what choice, even with jambs, but we still live with in peacetime (most citizens), and if we lie down as Ukrainians, we will fight with China, given how many nationalists we have, they will easily raise the masses against the narrow-eyed, so for now we are in chocolate. Any confrontation is a loss, you sacrifice a pawn, you bring down the queen. Of course, you want the best, but you need to know our people so as not to harbor illusions.

[alexoff]

Why the choice between a shameful non-war and defection to US slavery, followed by a war with China until the last Russian? I’m a supporter that the calibers should not hit the Ukrainian transformers, but the oil rigs of Norway (did the Norwegians give the Ukrainians the installation of harpoons that hit our oil rigs?), so that the Tu-141 did not fly to our airfields, but to the Polish ones at the time of unloading ammunition from a transporter (and this is easily tracked), so that mines from quadrocopters are not dropped on our fuel storage facilities, but on European LNG receiving terminals at the time of unloading gas carriers, so that not our philosophers are killed in Moscow, but in Paris local Islamists chop off the heads of all sorts of Bernards-Henri. Such actions can be a wagon and a small cart, and everything can be done under a foreign flag. And then in the West they will be really afraid that they are really going to kill them, it is precisely the population that chose such politicians. By the way, it would also be nice to announce that the goals of nuclear strikes will be finalized taking into account the electoral preferences of the population.

[alexey_444]

Yes, I would like that too. The question is that our fifth column is actually the first in number, you just listen to the people who communicate with the local elite, they are very unhappy with theirs, and if we start to nightmare our enemies on their territory, then apartments in Bulgaria, the Czech Republic, etc. . our princelings will quickly begin to act against the country. You may not even remember how at the end of the 80s they hid products to arouse people's discontent. I repeat once again the elite rules, and while Putin manages to keep the balance of the interests of the people and the interests of the elites, but this is a very unstable balance. Our princes see the people in Ukraine are dying thousands and prosecutors, mayors, judges, officials both lived richly and live. So far, Putin's tricks outweigh the Americans' tricks, but that's for now.

[alexoff]

Well, in my opinion, the most outrageous thing is that our elites turned out not to be wolves who grew up in wild times, but miserable domestic tyrants. Money is taken away from Friedman’s gangster muzzle, but he doesn’t say - “Oh, you’re right, I’ll hire bandits so that you get only coals from my real estate and the wreckage of the yacht, and I’ll also hire killers for your prosecutors and politicians, but you will never find me ". He kicks the legs of the owners and in snot begs to return at least something, ready to transfer a billion to Zelensky. If such nonentities tell Putin what to do, then what to say about Putin himself?

[alexey_444]

Well, as they say, we have what we have, we would like the best. But even Menshikov told Peter if all the thieves were executed, then who would manage it. People who love to help people can’t get into the medical, the money riff-raff climbs there, then after graduation he quits, so everywhere, smart and honest people are not confident in themselves and don’t climb into power and institutions that society needs, right? Yes, I agree, but unfortunately we are constantly not allowed to mature into civil society. In the same Belgium, there is also corruption in government contracts, but no one climbs on them, so their corruption does not affect anything. to prop up power from below and there is no one to replace it.

[alexoff]

Yes, our youth is normal, unlike the previous generation, they did not leak a superpower for jeans and chewing gum. More insipid than the authorities, which makes deals in which we have nothing, and looks into the eyes of partners, we have no one

[alexey_444]

Again leaked for jeans? Yes, no Komsomol members for yachts, castles and big bills abroad. As much as possible about the agreements, when we ran away from Kharkov in 42, they would also say now that Stalin merged. We fight as best we can, we don’t block Odessa with grain, so there’s nothing to do, no one wants to watch our sinking ships live. Yes, our army is weak, but again it is weak against NATO, and the USSR without Eastern Europe would still not know how it fought. Do not broadcast dill propaganda, do we have clumsy generals and soldiers? ... There are no others, these are our people. I will say more after Vietnam there were no such large (equal rivals) battles. The beating of Saddam and Israel of the Arabs does not count, the weight categories were different.

[alexoff]

So the Komsomol members were just young people who started with jeans and ended up with yachts. Party leaders were able to raise amazing children. They were running away from Kharkov, so the battles there were terrible, and not like now - the order came to retreat, everyone gathered in two hours and left, and in half an hour the Ukrainians arrived to carry out the cleansing, and a week later Zelya posed. And military correspondents tell tales about how the connection was cut off magically, which did not prevent them from leaving in a coordinated manner as soon as possible without a fight. To block Odessa, it is enough to throw mines and after the second sunken tanker no one will sail there, or sink submarines and spread them with your hands - a drifting mine, what can you do ?! And if the strategy is that what if in a fight they hit me in the face, and suddenly they hit me with a sharp one, and suddenly in the eye - well, you need to beat me in a fight, and not wait where he will fly. Well, I note that if we take the USSR within the borders of 1990, then its losses after the Cold War was drained are not much less than the losses from a hypothetical nuclear war. The human hierarchy should be such that the most courageous and dexterous are at the top, and not the most cowardly and passive, falling into paralysis and trying to somehow hit only in response when some kind of bridge is blown up by a low-tech truck.

[alexey_444]

About Kharkov, there were a lot of our jambs, either reinforcements did not come up, or they did not expect that the Germans would strike, then there was no connection, as it is now, the people are the same. Now no one wants big losses after Kiev, so we can’t behave like dill, but keep Bakhmut and 10 thousand dead, you can’t imagine what a screech we would have if Kherson was kept like that, it’s not enough for us 500 that you don’t read how units are being removed now and run away after shelling, you generally live in the real world or in desire. About the mines near Odessa, for 15 years I have been reading the indignation of specialists that we do not have minesweepers, they are being built according to the residual principle, there are not enough warships. While we are fighting carefully so as not to lose the support of the world, otherwise the wise men advise to stop selling resources and what we will live on. Yes, we are unlucky with the elites, but this is how we tolerate them ourselves, we bribe doctors, gardeners, teachers, we buy gifts, instead of building buildings, houses according to the norms, they bribe officials, it’s not aliens who do it, but we are from top to bottom. We don’t sue, although the courts work, I know examples when people get their way, but with nerves, lost time, but in civilized countries it’s not easier to decide, it’s just that people are brave and we are downtrodden.

[alexoff]

At such a pace, it is very easy and quick to lose the support of the world, and would have been lost long ago if the Americans had not written back in 2010 that the Russian Federation is urgently needed to strangle the Chinese, and if the Russian Federation is on the side of the Chinese, then you will strangle them. Directly in the hostilities, I see only a part of the low quality of the population of the immense, and for the most part the reason is the cowardice and throwing of the elites, who are not even worthy to take out their relatives from over the hillock. Units are removed and run - and what do they do with them then? Nothing? Well, others will run. In 2014, several Ukrainian generals were killed, in 2022 - not a single one, the red line is visible. 0 television studios were destroyed, 0 journalists were destroyed, 0 sponsors of the war, 0 Ukrainian officials, 0 ministries. The USSR did not change the SSovtsev for an ammonia pipeline or grain exports. As for losses, they are higher during retreats than during defense (unless, of course, this is a withdrawal agreed upon by both sides, as was the case in autumn), and when the war is drained, in our case, they grow by orders of magnitude. Afghanistan - one and a half thousand boys a year, an Afghan drain - tens of thousands of drug addicts die of an overdose a year.

[alexey_444]

Well, if you know everything in advance (on the other hand, after the death of drug addicts and alcoholics, it became calmer in the yards), then other decisions can be made, but there is no time machine yet and the Japanese with 10 year plans, as they say, also do not grow very much, although it seems to be in an organized manner, but not like we have chaos. I'm not a leader, it's hard to say what's right. One thing I can say is that the destruction of officials' coming out will lead to nothing but a loss of reputation, no one will be afraid, they will also send their citizens to death, this is Ukraine, I don't know anything from the edge.

[alexoff]

The liquidation of officials in the FSU is unlikely to undermine the reputation, if the tax authorities, then the population will be very happy. Well, knocking out low-level officials will create a strong mess and it will be easier for the population to dump away or sit out in the villages than to go to the front because they can come for relatives

[alexey_444]

It may work (to kill the officials), but there are too many of them besides the Nazis, we don’t have so many calibers, and they learned to hide when the missiles start flying in their direction.

[alexoff]

And officials can be killed by agents. And if the draft board burns down, then all the cases will burn down. Similarly with the cops - Sbushniki. But then all sorts of Butches and Denisovs showed that you can do nothing at all and they will hang fictional crimes without victims on you, the reputation of a silent killer is still better than the reputation of such a patient.

[alexey_444]

The problem is that we do not have agents, although the Ukrainians are corrupt, the Nazis, even during the war, had few of our and Western agents. Now, all the more so, the NSA is American, given the tabs in the equipment, it is very easy to open our agents. Therefore, now they were hitting the transformers, they are standing still and there is no need for agents. Do not forget again about our people, no one wants to work in the "field", everyone wants to sit in the office and do nothing

[alexoff]

Well, if no one stupidly works in our intelligence because it’s no use, then we need to disperse them for nothing and buy mavics with their money. The General Staff should also be involved in planning, but I don’t see any planning - each division is for itself, there is no coordination, what for then the General Staff, coordinate the supply? There you can leave 5% of the suppliers then, and save on the rest, rent a building in the center of Moscow and buy something else with all the money.

[alexey_444]

Your proposals are good, but who will fulfill them, the people are passive, at one time our pilots refused to fly (it’s stupid to drop cast iron from the Su-35) and what is the solution? Bought more precision? No, they just stopped flying into the depths of Ukraine, which is why the bridges are standing. This menhausen pulled himself out of the swamp, does not work in life. Only through scandals with drones, refusal to fight more or less begin to stir, the heroes are not endless.

[alexoff]

Our people are passive because they are intimidated and tortured, it is for Navalny that Bidon is ready to tear and throw, and we can guess that we will follow Stremousov, Mozgovy, Rokhlin, Prosvirnin and many others if something happens, there will be performers. Bridges are apparently a red line for us. Look, tankers somehow calmly bring oil for the Kremenchug refinery, also a red line. Well, and that the General Staff decided not to use helicopter landings and special operations forces to establish control over the bridges in the Kyiv region in the early days of the NMD, this is complete incompetence, they have never heard of the Brandenburg-800 campaign.

[ABC-schutze]

If you, having started the SVO, do not fight "in an adult way", but only something there, you are trying to "demonstrate" and "explain" to someone, then there is no point in even "trying" to imagine that the enemy is "stronger" makes no sense ...

Moreover, already, even the FIRST attempts to more or less seriously "touch the enemy by the udder" by delivering targeted and regular strikes on his energy infrastructure, have shown that he is "along and across" vulnerable and weak initially ...

Behind this, the question is not this, but that, having begun the NWO, which is extremely and objectively necessary for ensuring the national security of Russia, the Kremlin inhabitants did not prepare for its implementation, seriously and as expected ...

And it looks like they don't want to prepare...

[alexey_444]

Everyone understands and knows everything... But tampons are forgotten in the body after surgery, companies go bankrupt, and so on. if it were just like that, everyone would be rich, healthy and happy. It shouldn't be like that, I agree.

[Vladimir Postnikov]

Quote: Leshy1975

So, there is no logic here, well, or I don’t see it.

I posted here a little earlier a comment on the news about the exchange of prisoners:

Strange war. Strange exchanges of prisoners during the war. Strange advances and strange retreats. Strange ongoing business with the enemy through the war zone. But people are dying, ships are sinking, infrastructure is being destroyed. I'm trying to find analogues in history, but I can't find it.
Together with one philosopher, from whom I borrowed the first line, I wrote a playful verse "I do not understand, but there is logic." That's exactly the case.

So, here I will repeat this playful verse, which I once published:

I don't understand, but the logic is there.
I put on shorts to sit down.
I take off the cross, wanting to fornicate.
What is illogical, your mother to eat?

Gays with loans? There is logic.
Do you want penyondza? Sell ​​your honor
Do you want freebies? Get in power
You can steal with impunity.

The ruler has acquired the right to sado.
The one who is on the Mazo, that - vaseline.
Without vaseline is possible, but tin.
I don't understand, but the logic is there.

[Seryogich]

Go to the polls, vote for people's parties, and then the results will be as you would like.

[Vladimir Postnikov]

Could you name at least one truly popular party? Just one. No more. Do not offer these:

[Seryogich]

Take your pick, information is available. The main thing is not to sit at home during the elections.

[Postcode]

In short, war is just a continuation of politics, only in other ways. As such, Ukraine has no value, neither for the West, nor for the Russian Federation, it is a kind of platform for the implementation of its (bilateral) global tasks, which, by and large, come down to another global redistribution of spheres of influence (sales markets) in a period of oversupply energy resources, financial resources, for one thing, food, medicines, weapons. When the First World War began, there was a certain prince in Sarajevo, who, in fact, no one needed, but everything had to start somewhere. When the Second World War began, there was the problem of the Sudetenland, which, in its essence, did not solve anything on a global scale. Yesterday we had a region of Donbass, in a certain Ukraine, which, including Ukraine itself, half the world will not find on the political map of the world the first time))))))).
Returning to Kherson, according to official statistics, a little more than 115 people were evacuated, from a city whose population was about 000 people before the start of the database, at least 270 people in the summer ... the question is, why didn’t the rest leave? The answer is, they are waiting for us to leave there))))..... Is this a Russian city??? Need to put in today 000, 200. 000... thousand of our guys for them?

[haron]

Oleg. You are interesting and logical. The only thing I cannot agree with is part of the input for your conclusions.

Quote from Cap

When the Second World War began, there was the problem of the Sudetenland, which, in its essence, did not solve anything on a global scale.

The Sudetenland was taken before the start of World War II. And on a "global scale" they were the first to solve the problem of industrial production of most radioactive elements. Their surplus at the mines of Yakhimov was one of the impetuses for the creation of a "peaceful and not very atom."

Quote from Cap

As such, Ukraine has no value, neither for the West, nor for the Russian Federation, it is a kind of platform for the implementation of its (bilateral) global tasks, which, by and large, come down to another global redistribution of spheres of influence (sales markets) in a period of oversupply energy resources, financial resources, for one thing, food, medicines, weapons.

Wars are not fought in territories that have no meaning for the parties to the conflict. In the same Sarajevo, after the assassination of Franz, were there any military operations? No (except for the Serbian pogroms for a couple of days).
Afghanistan - bare mountains, bare stones, naked people, bare desert in the south .... opa of the world is shorter. One nuance, this opa is located in the center of Eurasia, from where it is easiest to control and influence the geopolitics of the continent - at least by force, at least by information, at least by the speed of the response ...) fortunately there is where to hide. One problem, the local barmaley and all the neighbors understand this.
Ukraine. Something like Afghanistan, only better, because it is located on a flat, dry, fertile crossroads between rich Europe, Asia, and with a wet exit to the Maghreb, Suez and all of Middle-earth. Any wheat transactions are already trifles. Even the technology and the ability to make an SS-24, for example (where can it fly there?), This is also a small part of the concert. A couple of nuclear power plants, yellow waters, anthracite... and it's all nearby, but not in Europe and the Russian Federation.
The degree of influence on this "piece" of land will significantly determine what you have indicated.

Quote from Cap

a platform for the implementation of their (bilateral) global tasks, which, by and large, come down to the next global redistribution of spheres of influence

[Postcode]

I didn’t write anywhere that the Sudetenland was annexed as a result of WWII, they were some kind of formal reason for the beginning of the repartition of Europe. At the time of the beginning of interest in them from Germany, all nuclear programs were so in their infancy that, I think, this was definitely not the basis of interest.
The territories for maintaining a database do not always coincide with the true region of interest, but, in itself, the "site" is selected based on certain economic considerations. Afghanistan, in itself, even having an almost complete periodic table in the reserve and resource base, is a so-so object of desire, as the center of Asia ... back and forth .... but, as a production and logistics drug center - that's already wow !! !
Ukraine, even if we assume that it had nothing but manure and black soil, is of interest, namely, as the best geopolitical opponent for the Russian Federation, there is nothing better than a smoldering wick of discord between kindred peoples, one of which dominated for a long time in cohabitation, and does not refuse (in the person of some leaders) from the dominant in the future, and the second, in every possible way tried to prove his originality and self-sufficiency then, but today, and today warmed up from the outside, he tries to compare himself. as equal, but in some ways even higher ...

[haron]

Quote from Cap

At the time of the beginning of interest in them from Germany, all nuclear programs were so in their infancy that, I think, this was definitely not the basis of interest.

Leo Szilard (German Jew) in 1933 experimentally substantiated, and in 1934 patented in England, the idea of ​​a nuclear chain reaction involving neutrons. The patent also introduced the term "critical mass" to describe the minimum amount of material needed to sustain a chain reaction and its ability to cause an explosion. The Germans split the uranium atom with neutrons in December 1938. The German nuclear weapons program, known as the Uranverein, was established on September 1, 1939, the day World War II began. The Curies used Jáchymovska ore in 1898 to discover radioactivity.
Without the Sudeten mines, this would have been impossible.

Quote from Cap

Ukraine, even if we assume that it had nothing but manure and black soil,

Southern Design Bureau, Yuzhmash, Motor Sich, NPO Elektropribor, Komunar, Khartron, Mayak, Arsenal ...... there are hundreds of them, but there were thousands. And yes, who pulled the service of Satan until the last moment?

Quote from Cap

one of which, for a long time, dominated cohabitation, and does not refuse (in the person of some of its leaders) from the dominant in the future, and the second, in every possible way tried to prove its originality and self-sufficiency then, but today, and today, warmed up from the outside, is trying to compare myself. as equal, but in some ways even higher ...

These are just emotions. They are played by those who are smarter. The head must be cold.

[Postcode]

The approval of the nuclear program does not say anything, it is only the beginning of the development of something, which is why I argue that in 1938-39, everything was so rudimentary that it could not directly affect geopolitical decisions. Or will you insist that if these raw materials had not been there in the Sudetenland, Hitler would not have shown interest in the original German lands?)))))
In Ukraine, once again, carefully!!!!! I write EVEN IF there is nothing EXCEPT... this suggests that there are interesting assets there, but they are not the subject of interest in themselves, this is a kind of nice bonus.

[haron]

Quote from Cap

The approval of the nuclear program does not say anything, it is only the beginning of the development of something, which is why I argue that in 1938-39, everything was so rudimentary that it could not directly affect geopolitical decisions. Or will you insist that if these raw materials had not been there in the Sudetenland, Hitler would not have shown interest in the original German lands?)))))

Oleg. "so much rudimentary" was between 1898 and 1918, when Curie and Rutherford found and, most importantly, proved that the nucleus can "change sex" by releasing enormous energy.
The approval of a nuclear program implies the allocation of a lot of money. By the year 38, ALL the initial ones were known for the required materials and the babach process. The question was in "gears" - technology. At the same time, in the States, Britain, France, this happened a little earlier (thanks to information from Hans scientists). The Germans also knew this, and also allocated a lot of money by harnessing other smart heads (and Nobel champions), a separate network of spies on this topic (including defecting scientists) ... in short, they were in a hurry because they understood everything.
And yet it blew six years later. Not with them ... they "for unknown" reasons took a more difficult path.
What is the last 6 years on a scale of 48 years? This is not a rudimentary period - this is the finish line.
About judgment.
Naturally, not for the sake of uranium, plutonium, radium, barium, copper, silver, gold ... and a bunch of complex minerals that germanium was sensitively deprived of. Not for the sake of many industrial and technological industries (let's say the quality of optics after the judgment went ahead of the rest of the planet ..... material, cleaning technologies and additives ... nothing personal).
The 3 lyamas of the Germans living there with their physical education teacher were not particularly suitable for meat (in the beginning, naturally) because their hands forged swords and any attachment to them. Well, the question of the subsequent reparation of the entire Czech Republic was the crown of the Fuhrer in this multi-pass. And the Czech Republic (so that they don’t weave about a seamstress) still knows how to create and work. Which she proved in the Second World War and after it, working for us.
Tobish is a complex of tasks with many well-known ones in the formula. Yes, the risks were very high. Hans slightly overestimated the Franks and the Angles.

Quote from Cap

In Ukraine, once again, carefully!!!!! I write EVEN IF there is nothing EXCEPT... this suggests that there are interesting assets there, but they are not the subject of interest in themselves, this is a kind of nice bonus.

I was a little jarred at the expense of black soil and manure. Anyway.
Ukraine, like the Czech Republic, is a whole complex of "sweets", both now and in the future.
And I just know that they are the subject of very great interest especially for the West. Well, the Russian Federation was not even able to reliably assess the simplest factor of the prevailing psychology of the population of Ukraine. In the Russian Federation, they still believe that, for example, all technological information on space programs was transferred to them in 1994. And the Ukrainians are not able to create it anew.
Yes, they steal there, but there they don’t want to work at a machine tool for 200 dollars a month. But technologies of a mixed West / Union type are being created and sold well.
I personally, a year before my emigration in 2006, started a topic at the intersection of laser physics and medical diagnostics. A year ago, kitaisa bought an entire laboratory from Ukraine and three in the plan.
And the black soil with climate is a bonus.

[zloybond]

So cheerfully retreat according to plan. As it became imperceptible, the news turned into a defensive, fighting back, professionally retreating according to plan.
Cheerfully and menacingly entered. ... briskly leaving. According to the SVO plan.

[oleg-nekrasov-19]

I will answer your question - no one is going to win, at least neither Ukraine nor Russia, they are just pawns in this chess game that the globalists started. This was understandable when at first they approached Kyiv perfectly, and then just as well departed so that "people could work", i.e. engage in the supply of weapons for murder.

[matsur]

Quote: Leshy1975

Putin has remained Putin. Capable of bluffing, but no more, with his favorite tactic of shifting responsibility to anyone, so as not to take it upon himself.

Tode did not believe that my country would start hostilities. Not so long ago, all cart chats congratulated the commander-in-chief on the DR. What words were spoken.
The support was huge. Yes, even then they did not understand our NON-actions in this svo. But they believed!

[Doctor]

All right. First correct decision in this entire campaign.

[Piramidon]

That's just scary for the remaining civilians. The Nazis can recoup all their losses on them.

[Doctor]

That's just scary for the remaining civilians. The Nazis can recoup all their losses on them.

They can. But I think there are those who wanted to.

[Piramidon]

Quote: Arzt

But I think there are those who wanted to.

Or it was not possible to evacuate, especially since these ykpokoty beat on the crossings.

[Xnumx vis]

Quote: Arzt

That's just scary for the remaining civilians. The Nazis can recoup all their losses on them.

They can. But I think there are those who wanted to.

A friend left parents 60+ both .. A house, three cats, a dog, a small garden, a vegetable garden ... They told him. Nowhere we are not needed by anyone ... If we die in our small homeland .. And who do you want .... People have nowhere to run! And they don't want to run! What is there, --- Where the Russian flag has risen, it will not be lowered there ... --- As I believe these words .. I continue to believe ... Have the Russians really degenerated?

[yuriy55]

Quote: Arzt

All right. First correct decision in this entire campaign.

Just before that, you need to decide who attacked and what tasks he set, what happened:

... the Russian command to stabilize the defense

Maybe it was necessary to continue diving for amphoras, flying as a leader among the Siberian Cranes, catching pike, stroking tigers or saving people from emergencies???
Is this not the case when real professionalism should go off scale in a negative direction?
I can’t even imagine a situation where the flagship of the fleet was sunk in the USSR, a pipeline was blown up, and the head of state was looking for justifications for his policy and ways to resolve the conflict in negotiations ...

[novel66]

battleship "Novorossiysk!" so what? no one was hurt ... except for the dead sailors

[yuriy55]

Quote: novel xnumx

so what?

How to put it mildly? Doesn't compare:

The cause of the disaster was called "an external underwater explosion (non-contact, bottom) of a charge with a TNT equivalent of 1000-1200 kg." The explosion of a German magnetic mine, which remained on the ground after the Great Patriotic War, was recognized as the most probable.

And the person who did not give the command for evacuation is to blame for the death of the personnel of the team -
Commander of the Black Sea Fleet, Vice Admiral V.A. Parkhomenko.

[Bayun]

it will be correct to compare with the Russian Empire, adjusted for: RI - Tsar, RF - IO tsar.

[Doctor]

Just before that, you need to decide who attacked and what tasks he set, what happened:

Any plans, as you know, work until the first salvo.
The APU also had its own plans.

[Doctor]

Is this not the case when real professionalism should go off scale in a negative direction?

This is the first case of real professionalism. Defense along the river bank is a classic of the genre.

[Silver99]

Ownership of the right bank of the Dnieper in the Kherson region gives Ukraine fire control over the roads from Crimea, which the Russian Armed Forces use as supply routes. “This will be a very big blow to Russian forces,” the Financial Times writes that the Russian retreat will put “three important roads from Crimea, as well as a number of Russian logistics facilities and ammunition depots” within the reach of Western-supplied missile systems. The publication notes that if the Russians leave the right bank of the Dnieper, then the border of Crimea and the mainland will be at a distance of about 70 kilometers from the nearest positions of the Armed Forces of Ukraine (see map). At the same time, the range of MFOM missiles for HIMARS reaches 80 kilometers.

[Seal]

Quote: Arzt

First correct decision in this entire campaign.

So, in your opinion, the abandonment by our troops in April of this year of the territories of Kyiv, Chernihiv, Kharkov, Sumy regions occupied in February and March was a decision wrong ?

[Doctor]

So, in your opinion, the abandonment by our troops in April of this year of the territories of Kyiv, Chernihiv, Kharkov, Sumy regions occupied in February and March was a wrong decision?

I agree, I was wrong. Second.

[Toorik]

interesting, and the transfer of equipment was also included in the agreement ....

[Pavel73]

This war is not with Ukraine, but with the Nazis and terrorists in Ukraine.

Our plans do not include the occupation of Ukrainian territories. We are not going to force anything on anyone. (C) V. Putin, 24.02.2022/XNUMX/XNUMX.

And to make it even clearer, you need to read this eight-year-old article:
https://www.segodnia.ru/content/138570.

[dmi.pris1]

Praise from the lips of the Amers sounds like "our mistake, well done"

[yuriy55]

Quote: dmi.pris

Praise from the lips of the Amers sounds like "our mistake, well done"

They don't need to be listened to. This deceitful nation understands ONLY the language of ultimatums and force. In the situation that has happened, it is necessary to increase strikes on Ukrainian territory by all available means ... Including those that have not yet been used ...
Whoever doubts the value of the lives of servicemen, only the lives of ALREADY RUSSIAN citizens are no less important.
I am impressed by Surovikin ... There are those notes of a real man in his voice. Let's wait things...
If only the community of defeatists did not get involved in the process ...

[AdAstra]

"A note in the voice" is clearly not enough now. And if he were real, he would tell everyone everything as it is, even behind closed doors, and would resign.

[yuriy55]

Quote from AdAstra

I would tell everyone everything as it is,

There is no bazaar here for everyone to hear ... Whoever needs it understands and hears.

[AdAstra]

I didn't write about it here. """

[Geosun]

But we somehow hoped for an offensive, not a harrow.

[Laundryman]

Attempts by the Armed Forces of Ukraine to force the Dnieper will cost them an exorbitant price.

And do they need it? They will leave one brigade on the defensive, everything else will be transferred to the Zaporozhye direction and from there they will go from top to bottom.

A defense in depth allows not only to hold positions, complicating the attempts of the Armed Forces of Ukraine to further attack by forcing the Dnieper, but also to strike on the right bank. Surovikin stabilizes the defense after several "difficult months".

Here I agree, it will be much easier to keep the defense.

In addition, there is a high probability that the withdrawal of troops from the right-bank bridgehead that has begun is nothing more than a trap that the Russian command is trying to arrange for the Ukrainian troops.

The Ukrainians themselves talk about the trap. And if you know about the ambush - you will not enter it.

[Lt. Air Force stock]

It was not just that the population was evacuated, which means that over time Kherson will be leveled with the ground when the city is occupied by the Ukrainian army.

[Laundryman]

Quote: Lt. Air Force stock

It was not just that the population was evacuated, which means that over time Kherson will be leveled with the ground when the city is occupied by the Ukrainian army.

Russians will raze the Russian city to the ground?

[Lt. Air Force stock]

Quote from Lavander

Russians will raze the Russian city to the ground?

Here the war is not sentimental. If the enemy takes the city, this is the best option. Do you propose to leave 15 thousand people there, and then leave them without ammunition in the winter? We will simply lose a huge number of soldiers, but we will not hold the city.
The city can be rebuilt, the same Stalingrad was rebuilt from scratch.

[Laundryman]

I do not propose to leave troops there, this is even more stupidity.

Here the war is not sentimental.

The AFRF destroyed their bridges more than the Ukrainian ones, so what kind of bombardment of the city are we talking about.
How to explain it politically? We surrendered our Russian city, and now we ourselves erase it into dust? Is it true that the Ukrainian Armed Forces are haters of everything Russian?

[Lt. Air Force stock]

Quote from Lavander

How to explain it politically? We surrendered our Russian city, and now we ourselves erase it into dust? Is it true that the Ukrainian Armed Forces are haters of everything Russian?

Do you offer political motivation to fight or military science? If for the sake of politics or whoever thinks of us, then we will not win here. It is necessary to decide specifically on the ground, taking into account the weather, the possibility of supply, the numerical grouping of our troops and the enemy, as well as the landscape of the area.

[Leshak]

Here the war is not sentimental. If the enemy takes the city, this is the best option.

If this were true, then, in nine months of the NWO, Ukraine would have turned into a desert. The fact of the matter is that for Ukraine it is a war, and for Russia it is a Strange Military Operation.

[Lt. Air Force stock]

Quote: Leshak

If this were true, then, in nine months of the NWO, Ukraine would have turned into a desert. The fact of the matter is that for Ukraine it is a war, and for Russia it is a Strange Military Operation.

We did not have enough troops to control a front of 1600 kilometers. And if we had introduced mobilization in advance, then we would have opened all the cards to the enemy, you can’t secretly carry it out.

[Leshak]

And if we had introduced mobilization in advance, then we would have opened all the cards to the enemy, you can’t secretly carry it out.

And did the "hidden cards" help us a lot? If mobilization had been announced, at least in March, the Kharkov and Kherson regroupings could have been avoided.

[Lt. Air Force stock]

Quote: Leshak

And did the "hidden cards" help us a lot? If mobilization were announced, at least,

Yes, strongly, the United States and NATO would have started to actively pump Ukraine with weapons earlier, they would have announced mobilization and everything would have stalled much earlier, perhaps in Luhansk and Donetsk.
As for March, it’s not a fact, it takes a lot of time to coordinate and remove and prepare military equipment from storage, when mobilization was announced there at the end of September, already the middle of November, and most of the group is still not involved, everyone is learning and coordinating. As far as I understand, only contract soldiers were quickly involved, who in the recent past went into the reserve and still remember a lot.

[saigon]

Mobilization is war, and therefore smart people first carry out secret mobilization, bring the army to the states and then start hostilities, after which mobilization is already open ...
In a word, we read Marshal Shaposhnikov, everything is clearly and competently painted.
I'm afraid that in our General Staff no one has read his work (but it is written in good language and very readable)

[Xnumx vis]

Quote: Lt. air force reserve

We did not have enough troops to control a front of 1600 kilometers. And if we had introduced mobilization in advance, then we would have opened all the cards to the enemy, you can’t secretly carry it out.

And it was impossible to comprehend it?

[cat Rusich]

Quote: Lt. Air Force stock

We did not have enough troops to control the front of 1600 kilometers ..

You need to use technology...
Surveillance systems day and night, in any weather, along the entire front line.
To mine the "naked sections" of the front and take MLRS and artillery under fire control - aviation (helicopters and attack aircraft) are "under steam" in readiness to strike (a squadron or even an air regiment ...) on the enemy that has broken through.
All methods and methods have long been known - you just need to apply ...

[Ryaruav]

Stalingrad rebuilt the mighty USSR and not the frail Russia

[Lt. Air Force stock]

Quote: Ryaruav

Stalingrad rebuilt the mighty USSR and not the frail Russia

Chechnya and Grozny in particular have been rebuilt, look at what happened and what is there now.

[Foul skeptic]

Not just because the population was evacuated

Half of them have not been evacuated

[Lt. Air Force stock]

Quote: Nefarious skeptic

Half of them have not been evacuated

So our troops have just begun to withdraw, I'm sure no one wants to stay there as soon as they see that ours are leaving.

[dementor873]

I wonder where the line passes, after which the NM of the LPR and the DPR will refuse to leave their positions during the next regrouping, because they fought for this land for 8 years?

[Arkady007]

As for stabilization, we still need to look.
The question of the moral background of all this action is much more complicated.
It looks like Putin was going to demobilize, realizing that nothing happened, now the task is to leave more or less beautifully.
And what to do next became even more questions than they were before February.

[Ronrew]

When the Enemy praises you, it means you are doing something wrong. And so, yes, you can "regroup" further - from the Donbass, Crimea, Belgorod and Kursk regions and, of course, from Kaliningrad and the southern Kuriles, and at the same time the Enemy will always praise us.

[akropin]

And it’s better to immediately retreat to the left bank of the Volga.

[Ronrew]

Then to the left bank of the Yenisei, so to speak, to guarantee that HIMARS will not reach.

[akropin]

It's a pity for the memory of grandfathers. We are not worthy of them.

[Ronrew]

That's right, I'll speak for myself - instead of volunteering for the front, as my maternal grandfather did in 1941, I sit in the office and write comments on this site. A peaceful well-fed life and Western values ​​​​spoiled me greatly. I understand this, but I can’t do anything - I don’t see enough willpower.

[Kurganets-45]

after all the "regroupings" of this NWO, the desire to volunteer somehow disappears and the authorities themselves lead to this with their own hands. I understand that we are zutzwang, that's why it's hard on the heart. I think Lenin experienced the same feelings.

[voyaka uh]

CNN is lying, of course.
The left bank is low, with all sorts of coves and peninsulas. It's not easy to defend him. It is easy to get close to him at night DRG and attack.
From the right bank of the artillery, the IED will be able to control the rear of the defending group to a greater depth.

[Plate]

Quote from Ronrew

When the Enemy praises you, it means you are doing something wrong.

The most stupid rule imaginable. If, for example, you win at chess, and your opponent then praises your skills, then you did something wrong? Now the situation is much less clear, so this is not an analogy. This is just a call to abandon this stupid rule.
Why, I am ready to praise the Western countries and Ukraine for the fact that they are more successful than us in modern warfare. Because they really do it. But from their point of view, this will not mean that they are doing something wrong, right?

[ALARI]

Well, now how can we laugh at stupid Americans and poke at the fact that they fled from Afghanistan? Or he explains to us soon (when the talking heads come to their senses a little from such a move of the trickster) that this is different, and this shame will be determined in a feat.

[MrFYGY]

Americans did not flee their country.

[ALARI]

Moreover, it was not necessary to this day to suck this news on our TV and here. There were so many humorous and witty sketches. The main fact is to escape before the obviously weakest enemy.

[Xenofont]

The era of the "Time of the Scoundrels" has reached its climax and God grant us to avoid the apocalypse in the form of a civil war, the collapse of the country and the horrors that accompany it. It seems that only God is left to hope for.

[Nastia makarova]

in civilian life, who will fight with whom?

[ammunition]

Quote: Xenofont

only God is left to hope.

Thank you ! Sergey. It's very rarely talked about here. And even less often we ask the Most Holy Theotokos for help!
It would seem! This absurd .. SVO .. in everything, as a desecration of the truth and common sense .. So here we do not turn to God.

[Dartanian]

By and large, taking into account the pendles near Kyiv, Kharkov, Kherson, it is necessary to equalize before February 24, it's not a matter of alarmism, the point is that as the SVO was pumped, putting a bunch of people, they will still put it and we’ll move away anyway, mediocrity and effective managers don’t give a damn about it .. .

[Zaurbek]

1. NATO intelligence continues to work
2. Hymars keep coming
3. They will continue to hit key points of defense inland ..... but now from the coast ...
4. When attacking, in turn, you will have to force the river and fortifications.

[Kuziming]

1. This was predetermined by the destruction of bridges and fire control of crossings.

2. For half a year, a dozen chimeras were not neutralized. Hello unreasonable optimists who shouted "a hundred Hymars ammo - nothing."
The frog was cooked.

3. It will not be easier to defend the left bank. Now they will shoot at us in range conditions. There will be losses.

[Nastia makarova]

Hymars sect again? ..............

[kor1vet1974]

The withdrawal of troops to the left bank of the Dnieper will allow the Russian command to stabilize the defense

"- What did you think, your stupid head? Is your freedom won for nothing?
- Do you know, stupid woman, that today they took one cow from you, and tomorrow, tomorrow ten will be returned!

[I dare to_notice_]

BUT!..
So ... we have been defending ourselves for eight months? ..
Well... everything is in place now.

[lubesky]

As I understand it, at such a rate, in six months, the Skabeevs and Solovyovs will tell us that the surrender of Rostov and Stavropol is, in principle, an excellent deal for the sake of peace and the preservation of lives? And it’s not like these areas were really needed, oil and gas are no longer there

[MrFYGY]

This opens up the possibility of alienating any territory of the Russian Federation.

[lubesky]

Quote: MrFYGY

This opens up the possibility of alienating any territory of the Russian Federation.

It sometimes seems to me that if it were POSSIBLE, the Kremlin would get rid of any territory, together with the population, where there were no minerals left - why should the peasants be kept in vain? They sincerely regret that such an arrangement is impossible ...

[Dane]

Quote: Arzt

All right. First correct decision in this entire campaign.

All decisions are made (and this too) not for the benefit of the NWO, but to achieve other goals ..... and if this all ends in negotiations .... when, where and on what conditions and in whose interests, we will find out later

[Two]

Wait a minute! And who trained the militias of Lugansk and Donetsk? Everything and always a fighter, in a combat situation, was taught by the war and the advice of experienced people. It is impossible to fit this into methodological developments, into combat regulations too ...

[ODERVIT]

CNN was still not enough for me to calm down.
That's when they will moan for the loss of Alaska, I'll read it.

[Foul skeptic]

restore defense in depth

The word "restore" implies that it was.

[Ulan.1812]

In-in ... organize defense.
No one remembers the offensive of demilitarization and denazification.

[km-21]

I can not understand.

1. If it is possible to evacuate the right-bank grouping to the left bank without significant losses of personnel and military equipment, then why is it claimed that there is no possibility of successfully supplying the right bank? After all, both operations require the same transport and logistics capabilities.
So are they there or not?

2. If Kyiv has the ability to blow up the dam and flood the floodplain of the Dnieper with very serious consequences for the Russian Armed Forces, then why is our command not afraid that this will happen during the evacuation, and Surovikin's plan will result in a catastrophic defeat of the entire evacuated group?

[Toorik]

1 technique abandoned ....
2 they agreed with Ukrainian partners ....

[Nastia makarova]

abandoned equipment that is difficult to transport

[Alexander X]

I don’t understand why all the enemies of Russia say that the withdrawal of troops is the right step, strategically wise. But the VO participants, many of whom are military personnel / retirees and some in considerable military ranks, believe that the actions of the command in the Kherson direction are close to betrayal, well, or, at least, they are absolutely incompetent in terms of planning, ensuring military operations in the Kherson direction of the front .

[Vadim Sharygin]

Wait and see. CNN approves. The NATO Secretary General also praises the decision to voluntarily withdraw Russian troops from Russian territory to Russian territory. Events are already developing outside the will of the leaders of the countries. No peace agreement can no longer rule out the lifelong hatred of Ukrainian nationalists in power for everything Russian. The issue of their use of nuclear weapons is a matter of the time we give them to prepare. Governments have lost control of events. This, for me personally, is an obvious fact. Another obvious fact: without a general mobilization of all forces and resources, it will not be possible to defeat Ukronazism in conjunction with NATO. But it is also impossible to defeat NATO. Ukraine is turning from a NATO foothold into a nuclear detonator for the Alliance. And this detonator will work with or without a peace treaty, hatred will never leave us without its bloody attention. An unfinished enemy is a hundred times more dangerous than an untouched enemy. Maybe China will save the situation with its attack on Taiwan? It will divert energy and attention to yourself. But China is not Russia. They will have two weeks to defeat Taiwan. After that, what can we expect from China, except for the attentive, silent and strict look of the PRC leadership on the Khabarovsk Territory, the Far East? My only personal hope is for those pair of our submarines, which, perhaps, at the beginning of next summer, at the time of NATO's global strike on all strategic nuclear forces, will not be at the piers, but at sea and will be able to shoot back, take revenge on the adversary for all of us. I repeat, I am sure that we still have a few months left to receive news about "preventive maneuvers", to communicate, to take stock of our "cashback existence"!

[Pravodel]

CNN approves. NATO Secretary General also praises the decision to voluntarily withdraw Russian troops from Russian territory

If CNN approves. NATO Secretary General praises, so everything is in order, we will continue to retreat.
The only thing missing is the praise of the UN and the King of Britain...

[alexoff]

By the way, you can grab the Nobel Peace Prize, I heard about one reformer ...

[iouris]

Questions remain: how to evacuate the grouping and military equipment without significant losses, and what will happen to ZaNPP. As for "stabilizing the defense", this is hardly the goal. It is necessary to see the situation in dynamics and, in particular, whether the US proxy troops have the potential for an offensive and what will happen in the rear (or in the rear). And of course, you can sign something - and that's it.

[ALARI]

Do not forget that Russia received 115 thousand deceived people (this is about the evacuees) without a roof over their heads, money, work. They have lost everything and it is impossible to return, and they are not needed here. Now, after all, will they love their new Motherland?

[iouris]

Quote: ALARI

Now after everything

After what "everything"? Only survivors can "love" or not love. In the war zone, of course, there are chances to survive, but small.
And our homeland is not "new".
I agree that people need to be employed and equipped for a long time. And there you will see.

[ALARI]

How not new? New by decree, not even from the Kremlin, but from the Presidential Administration. There was one and then another. If you are from there, then I am sure you will soon like it with us, you will see a lot and feel it too.

[ComixZone]

My opinion is that the military knows what to do and has much more information than we do.

[Carlos Hall]

I hope this is a trap to catch and destroy the Ukrainian army. But if this is not the case, then leaving the highest bank of the river in the hands of the enemy and surrendering Kherson without a fight can only be qualified as a betrayal of the Fatherland. If this betrayal is confirmed, then the days of the Russian government are numbered, and the most influential people of the country and their fortunes will fall along with the government in turbulent times. The Russian people will not allow another 90s

[Nastia makarova]

the people want to end their lives and return the men home alive, stop fighting

[iouris]

Quote from Carlos Sala

The Russian people will not allow another 90s

An army of even this size cannot be slammed with one blow, and if treason occurs, then the "people" will not be able to do anything. And this time it will be destroyed.
Let's prepare for the worst and hope for the best.

[VLAD-96]

What defense!? We are the attacking side!? What nonsense!

[Kronos]

She stopped being from the end of the summer. And they won't anymore.

[d.zacharith]

Zelensky should demand written guarantees from the Kremlin that Russian troops are leaving Kherson

[Pravodel]

After the surrender near Kharkov and now Kherson, the main question is: what's next ???
A little earlier I already wrote that wars are not won by local skirmishes and the extermination of 100-200 or even 1000 enemies on the battlefield. War is won by defeating the enemy army. After losing the strategic initiative and going on the defensive, is it possible to defeat the enemy army and win the war!?
Or hope for General FROST, who will exterminate everyone, bury everyone, or, on the contrary, try on everyone at once?
So this is a faint hope. Therefore, a little history.
1. First Patriotic War, 1812
General FROST destroyed the French army - the army of Europe. But, is it true!?.. Napoleon's army went to Moscow on the condition that by taking Moscow it would end the war. This is beautifully stated in our famous classic film "Kutuzov", where the French general reports to Napoleon that the army believes that the war is over. As a result, wholesale looting, robberies and decomposition of the army ... As a result, Napoleon leaves Moscow ... Further, the way back to Europe and the death of the army. And here is the question: Napoleon's army died because of frost or because of the capture of Moscow and its own decay .. For those who understand, it is obvious: after the capture of Moscow and decomposition, Napoleon's army was doomed and would have died even in autumn conditions ...
2. Second Patriotic War, 1941
As in 1812, a harsh winter, the Germans are not ready for winter, they are standing a few kilometers near Moscow. But the question is: could we have held and defeated the Germans near Moscow if we hadn’t transferred Siberian divisions to Moscow!?... Obviously, the Germans near Moscow were defeated not by General Moroz, but by our army, our reserves transferred from the Far East in time. What would happen to Moscow if these reserves did not exist, everyone can answer for himself.
Taking into account history, it is obvious that it is not General FROST who destroys the enemy, but only our army, which deprives the enemy of reserves and inflicts a crushing blow on him ... Hence, no matter how tightly we sit on the defensive, no matter how well GENERAL FROST works for us , destroy the Banderlog army and win the war, we can only completely defeat the enemy, as it was during the battle of Moscow and during the Second World War.
Hope for General Frost is not for us, but for a prosperous geyropa, but only our army, led not by parquet, but by literate generals, can help us, for whom modern war is not a game of defense, but an initiative even in defense, aimed at attrition the enemy, to create conditions for delivering a decisive blow, leading to its complete defeat.

[Petr_Koldunov]

Quote: The Truth

After the surrender near Kharkov and now Kherson, the main question is: what's next ???

Well, what are you ... there is much more to come! There are still a lot of Russian regions to be surrendered "in order to level the line of defense and preserve personnel." Melitopol. Berdyansk. Mariupol. Rostov. Voronezh... March on Red Square. Hotheads are ready to go to the Urals, they also need something there. And there - and in the Far East they have some claims ...
Ukroreykha Napoleonic plans. And yesterday they started to come true.

[Rainfall]

Russia can also create logistical problems for Ukraine. The logistical problem will push Ukraine out of the Donbass and Kharkiv. From the north, Mobilization could occupy areas west of Kharkov and north of Poltava. Further from the south, they occupy areas west of the Dnieper and south of Pavlograd. The current logistics of Ukraine is from Zaporozhye to the Dnieper, to Poltava, to Kharkov. After the capture of both sections, the logistics of Ukraine goes from the Dnieper to Poltava. This is better than cutting Ukraine's logistics from Belarus to Lvov.

[Ghost1]

Stop broadcasting this nonsense on the net, it’s already clear that it’s merging, but over the years it has been clear to many, all these gestures of goodwill, and that the infrastructure and the railway are functioning stably at all, that at the top they don’t want to fight for real. Well, that's the result, then it looks at what the alignment of the front will be, I won't be surprised at anything already.

[Kronos]

It's all fiction, so you can only mobilized to kill about the Ukrainian defense.

[TatarinSSSR]

One question - why was it necessary to attack Ukraine, seize territories and settlements, take them into the Russian Federation and then give them back, retreat in order to save the lives of military personnel? Wasn't it necessary to save the lives of servicemen from the beginning of the NWO for 8 months? Wasn't it difficult to supply the troops with Kyiv, in the Sumy region, near Nikolaev? Didn't know about it? But for some reason, they somehow supplied them and the life of the military guards was not necessary then? What kind of heresy are all these Shoigu telling us, who created an army that has no analogues in the world, an exhibition-ceremonial army that cannot carry out a military defense without mobilizing citizens and restarting the military-industrial complex, without help and raising funds for the very equipment of citizens? Perhaps we don't know much. And so they are outraged. But we don’t know much precisely because the authorities quietly stir up their undercover agreements, exchanges, retreats and other movements without informing, without explaining their actions to the people of Russia. And in truth - why should the serfs know why the criminals of the terrorists are released for the sake of some godfather? Etc. Come to shred the anti-Russian government in a neighboring country, disarm its troops, weaken NATO - and eventually retreat back, allowing you to further arm this country, expose Russian territory to attacks, rearm NATO and expand it by a couple more countries, plus thousands of dead and crippled ... This is just a brilliant CBO!

[Ivan Ivanov]

Probably the calculation was the Crimean scenario, with plan B and even more C and D problem.

[♛ Berendei]

and in the meantime, about 50 thousand bayonets will be released from the Ukrainians, which they use in other places ...

[v1tz]

The situation is very reminiscent of the Crimean War, one to one (the backlog is obvious), but then Nicholas I, after the defeat near Yevpatoriya Khrulev (February 17, 1855), died unable to bear the shame (there was probably a conscience), although he was to blame, he built a system on convenient blockheads. Although maybe this is a "cunning plan" who knows. But "Cunning Plans", like victory, is born only in hard work and nothing else.

[msm]

There is a prophecy of an old man, published in February at the beginning of the NWO:
"Whoever loses in the beginning will win in the end."
It used to be, but now it's impossible to find it.

[Alexander Antonov_2]

Like "I tell you the truth, the earth will fly into the heavenly axis" (Bulgakov)

[Rainfall]

Examples are Libya, Gaddafi only needed to capture Benghazi in 2011 and there was a military intervention. North Korea in the 1950s only needed to capture Pusa, but there was a military intervention. Hitler launched a surprise operation but was stopped in Moscow and military reinforcements arrived. Russia completed the construction of the NS2 pipeline in 2021, but it was never operated and the UK blew it up "it's done".

[Petr_Koldunov]

It will allow you to stabilize the defense - that's great. But! Our army was included there ... FOR DEFENSE ???

[rocket757]

CNN: The withdrawal of troops to the left bank of the Dnieper will allow the Russian command to stabilize the defense

If the enemy starts to praise you... in general, everything is clear.

[Hindu]

Quote: Nastia Makarova

everyone who is subject to mobilization has left, there are no fools to go to war

On the vobla, on the vobla. Don't speed up here!

[Viktor29]

And in America, CNN is scolded as the most slanderous channel, in our country, it seems, on the contrary, they are praised as "the most dishonest".

[Cuckoo]

We didn't seem to be on the defensive, were we?

[fa2998]

Quote: Check

We didn't seem to be on the defensive, were we?

Yes, we do not know why we went there! First, demilitarism and denafification of the neighboring state. Then the defense of the LPR and the DPR. Again, we didn’t agree, we’ve been fighting for 7 months on the outskirts of Donetsk. Now we will defend the conquered (annexed) territories.
But the tactics raise questions - huge parts of the regions remain under the enemy. Yes, and the supply routes from the Crimea are also under attack!

[SARMAT123]

And until the last they did not want to believe in such events, I remember even the dispute here was about peaceful ones. What they bring out on purpose since the fights will be tough ... And here you go .. Yes, in principle, I'm no longer surprised.

[fa2998]

Quote: Anchorite

Everything in this title is "beautiful"))
It turns out that Russian troops entered the territory of Ukraine in order to defend themselves (such a SVO is a special military defense,

Yes, it will be fun to defend on a low bank, with reeds, floodplains against the dominant high bank. Yes, and the supply of supplies across the isthmus is now subject to shelling by "Haymays"

[alexoff]

Well, if attack UAVs fly around the vicinity of Kherson, which have been riveted in three shifts since the summer and they are so stealthy that they have not even been seen from a satellite at any airfield, then the Hemars will not be able to shoot to important roads. But since the partners have big plans for the sale of this MLRS, in no case should it be attacked, therefore, apparently, they are digging trenches for a reason. Well, at least there were trenchers, I thought they had died out with us, since the soldiers use only shovels

[fa2998]

Quote: TatarinSSSR

One question - why was it necessary to attack Ukraine, seize territories and settlements, take them into the Russian Federation and then give them back, retreat in order to save the lives of military personnel? Wasn't it necessary to save the lives of servicemen from the beginning of the NWO for 8 months?

Quote: TatarinSSSR

One question - why was it necessary to attack Ukraine, seize territories and settlements, take them into the Russian Federation and then give them back, retreat in order to save the lives of military personnel? Wasn't it necessary to save the lives of servicemen from the beginning of the NWO for 8 months?

I completely agree, how they removed it from the language, I wanted to write something like that. Of course, it’s a big shame, in the Kharkov region, it seems like Ukraine liberated its territory, and now they left the annexed territory, the territory of Russia, and Russian citizens.

[Alexey Lantukh]

Apparently Kharkiv residents were thrown. It's a pity for them, of course. Plus, they suffered from the fighting.

[78bor1973]

This bridgehead existed from the beginning of the NWO, who prevented it from creating defenses to the full depth and turning it into an autonomous citadel. What about the generals? that neither g +++ l is so humanist afraid of encirclement and bridgeheads, what does Shoigu have to do with it? What kind of subordination is strange, who is in charge of all this? Where is the head of the General Staff, the head of the Operations Directorate? Turned everything into a cheap fraer operetta. They don’t have the opportunity to supply the group, they don’t have imagination and something else, with total superiority in helicopters and crossing facilities, there are no words ...

[Black death]

In short, we will not see Kherson watermelons as our ears)))

[VladimirNET]

Quote: km-21

I can not understand.
If it is possible to evacuate the right-bank grouping to the left bank without significant losses of personnel and military equipment, then why is it claimed that there is no possibility of successfully supplying the right bank?

There is no possibility of supply (it is limited) - because the bridges are blown up or damaged (including Antonovsky).
The current withdrawal of troops (without shelling) is an agreement with Ukraine (or even with the United States): valid for the duration of the withdrawal of our troops.

The left bank (where the troops depart) is lower than the right,
therefore, such a departure is possible (and only in narrow areas):
until the dam burst.

I personally think - the reason for the departure is this:
1. Our troops do not withdraw and Ukraine breaks the dam.
2. Water floods the entire left bank (not the one where the troops are).
3. Troops on the right bank - cut off from supplies.
4. All troop supply roads are flooded with water.
5. As a result, our troops are completely surrounded.
6. When the shells run out - all equipment (including all heavy weapons) will be lost, because. The only way out of the encirclement is to cross the water barrier.

More about the reasons for the withdrawal of troops:
https://bloknot.ru/obshhestvo/pochemu-vy-veli-vojska-iz-hersona-mnenie-e-ksperta-bloknota-1012180.html

[Alexey Koshkarov]

It’s better to build a defense on the impenetrable heights of the Urals, or try to disperse the enemy’s army in the vast expanses of Siberia

[Pravodel]

Military and political consequences of the surrender of Kherson
See https://k-politika.ru/xerson-sdali-chto-dalshe/
Short exposure
1. Political consequences of the surrender of Kherson
The betrayal of hundreds of thousands of people who believed in Russia, who believed that it would protect them, since they trusted it. 87% of the population of the Kherson region voted for joining Russia - that’s more than one and a half million people, but only 115 thousand were evacuated. Now the consequences for those remaining will be the most severe. We saw how the Nazis treated the residents of Kupyansk, Balakleya, and other abandoned cities after the “Kharkov regrouping”. Tens of thousands of people in Kherson will be subjected to repression, torture, many will be killed or thrown into prison. All this will be a bitter lesson for the population of other cities and villages, which also became part of Russia, but have not yet been abandoned to the Nazis. What next - Melitopol, Berdyansk, Mariupol?
The surrender of Kherson will lead to the activation of all enemies of Russia on its borders. Poland and the Baltic states can organize an attack on the Kaliningrad region and Belarus. Not on their own, of course, but with the help of NATO. Moldova may launch an offensive against Transnistria. Romania, where the American division is stationed, will support Moldova. Military clashes may also break out in the Central Asian republics. The West will try to shake up the situation inside Russia as well; there are plenty of dissatisfied people there. All this will put the country in a difficult situation.
2. Military consequences of the surrender of Kherson
The Ukrainian Armed Forces will be able to shell Crimea from NATO artillery. Russia has lost the bridgehead for a future attack on Odessa and Nikolaev. It will be very difficult to take Kherson back, since the Ukrainian Armed Forces and the National Battalions will turn it into a real fortress. ...part of the Kherson group can now be transferred to the Zaporozhye direction and attack Energodar and Zaporozhye NPP.
The overall result
The loss of Kherson is the result of the ill-conceived Special Military Operation, which was carried out as a raid by a limited military group of contract soldiers, with the expectation that the Ukrainian Armed Forces would quickly surrender. But everything didn't go as planned. Russia is conducting a military offensive, and Ukraine is waging war. Believing in the effectiveness of the negotiations in Istanbul, the Russian Armed Forces left the Kyiv, Chernigov and Sumy regions. Kyiv immediately disrupted negotiations on the go-ahead from Washington and London. It is extremely naive to hope that Kyiv will comply with the new truce. Isn’t there enough experience of “Minsk-1” after the Ilovaisk cauldron and “Minsk-2”, after Debaltsevsky? For eight and a half years, Russia has been talking about the lack of an alternative to the Minsk agreements, trying to push Donbass back into Ukraine. But in Kyiv they just laughed, rearmed and built fortifications, continuing to shell the unrecognized republics of Donbass every day. A new truce will lead to the same, but even more dire consequences. Russian President Putin has repeatedly asserted that there is a war with NATO, and Ukraine is its vanguard. And if we now agree to a truce and make some concessions to Kyiv, then Russia will soon be torn apart.
What to do!?
The surrender of Kherson is a bitter defeat. But all is not lost. It is urgent to put the economy on a war footing, disperse the fifth column, imprison thieves and corrupt officials, correct mistakes identified during partial mobilization, and restore order in the army. AND stop taking into account the property of Russian oligarchs and businessmen in Ukraine. It is necessary to strike not only energy facilities, but also the entire transport infrastructure, hitting bridges and large railway junctions, in order to stop the supply of NATO weapons from Poland and Romania and their delivery to the front. In winter there is time for this.
What shouldn't happen
If you again believe the negotiators and agree to a truce with Kiev, this will be the end of Russia.
An example is shown by the Russo-Japanese War of 1904-1905 and the revolution of 1905. Any truce, any failure to kill the bastards in Ukraine will lead to a severe defeat for Russia.

[km-21]

CNN: The withdrawal of troops to the left bank of the Dnieper will allow the Russian command to stabilize the defense

Will not allow it.
The West sensed our weakness and will immediately rush to finish us off. Soon the supply of weapons to Ukraine will increase many times over, and crowds of mercenaries will rush here. The introduction of regular units of the USA and Poland is not excluded.

To stop the West’s offensive, a demonstrative nuclear strike on NATO territory (preferably on the Polish logistics hub in Rzeszow), showing Russia’s military power and readiness to go to the end, is necessary. Otherwise, the West will be convinced of Russia’s complete powerlessness and will attack us with all its might.

[oleg-nekrasov-19]

What would the Russian command do without CNN? It seems to me that the Keansburg Spit should also be given away so that Turkish ships can freely enter the port of Nikolaev as part of the “grain deal” and transport grain to Turkish processing plants. “Brother and friend” Erdogan’s economy should not stop, and the money of Russian moneybags should lie quietly and comfortably in accounts in Turkish Cyprus. And the people will be explained once again how “profitable” this military maneuver is.

[vovochkarzhevsky]

Let the Ukrainian Armed Forces now not go to either Crimea or Melitopol. The shock fist that they collected near Kherson will be transferred to the Kharkov direction. In our country, Belgorod and Kursk are only covered with “red lines”. And then our strategists will be offered an exchange, the Ukrainian Armed Forces will leave the Belgorod and Kursk regions, and the Russian Federation will leave Ukraine, including Crimea.
So I advise our propagandists to come up with arguments in advance why Crimea is not so important.

[the same doctor]

The withdrawal of troops from the right bank will allow the Ukrainian Armed Forces to free up troops. We will sit in the trenches, helplessly dying under the blows of the Highmars. We will not be able to respond via Dnieper. And the Ukrainian Armed Forces will take whatever they want with the released forces.

If the enemy has better intelligence communications and weapons, but there are fewer of them, then the only way out is close combat and increasing the intensity of hostilities. So that there won’t be enough highmars for everyone, and the rest will take advantage of the advantage in art.
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Finally, give money to industry and inventors. Give the army new weapons. Close all exports to the West for at least six months.
Then we will win.