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Su-30MKI - one of the best in its class

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Today, Su-30MKI fighters have become a symbol that embodies the quality of domestic aviation technicians. Today, among the obvious successes of the Russian aviation industry both in assessing well-wishers and in evaluating opponents, perhaps only the Mi-17 helicopter of the latest modifications deserved the same number of positive reviews. At the end of 2008, after the results of the American-French-Indian Red Flag exercises were published, the British aviation magazine Flight suggested choosing the best fighter among the F-22, Su-30MKI and F-15. The decision of the readers of one of the most respected publications in the world was quite unexpected. For the Russian Su-30MKI, 59% of those polled cast their votes, 5% for the 22th generation American aircraft, and only 37% for the F-15.

Share in military exports

The value of such high assessments of “public expertise” is rising against the background of the fact that this is a fighter that competes in world markets with the most advanced products of the United States and Western Europe. It is well known that in the fight for such attractive markets as India, Algeria, and Malaysia, there are no prohibited methods. The slightest logistic and technical flaws immediately turn into ineradicable vices on the lips of competitors. Despite this, the level of criticism of the Russian Su-30MKI does not exceed the “natural” background, and the aircraft continues to sell successfully.

The material results of the Su-30MKI program can only cause respect. The number of contracted fighters is approaching 330, with the number of vehicles delivered exceeding 230. In addition, the issue of the purchase by India of an additional batch of Su-30MKI aircraft kits for licensed assembly at HAL enterprises is now positively resolved. Taking into account the announcement of the expansion of the state defense order by Russia, the volume of production of the aircraft of this family can at the very least be about 400 fighters.
Su-30MKI - one of the best in its class

It is also noteworthy that in recent years, the delivery of multi-purpose fighters of the Su-30MKI family has been consistently ensured by almost every 6-th dollar that comes to Russia through the export of military products. For a relatively compact NPK "Irkut" - this is quite a serious result.

Sioux 30MKI история create

Su-30MKI fighter was created on the basis of Su-27UB, mass-produced in Irkutsk and in Komsomolsk-on-Amur. The Su-30MKI aircraft is a two-seat highly maneuverable fighter aircraft, which is designed to gain air supremacy, destroy ground and surface targets with guided and unguided missiles, with the ability to support actions in the group.

Negotiations on the supply of Su-27 fighters have been conducted with India since the 1994 year. The design of a fighter for the Indian Air Force based on the Su-30 at the Sukhoi Design Bureau began in the 1995 year. The chief designer of the project was appointed A. A. Barkovsky. Already 30 November 1996, the parties have signed an interstate contract for the phased delivery of the Indian Air Force 8 Su-30K fighters and 32 multifunctional two-seat Su-30МКИ fighters. The planes were to be delivered to India in several batches, with a consistent build-up of avionics, armament and powerplant. The main executors of this contract were: in terms of the creation of the Sukhoi Design Bureau aircraft, and in terms of the production of the fighter, the Irkutsk Aviation Production Association.

The construction of the 2-x first experienced fighter was conducted in the design bureau in 1995-1998. The first experimental aircraft Su-30-1, which was finalized on the basis of the serial Su-30, was built in the spring of 1997. The car rose into the air 1 July 1997, the test pilot V.Yu. Averyanov drove it. Since July, the 1997 of the year in the Sukhoi Design Bureau have begun the implementation of joint fighter testing programs with the GLITS Air Force Serial production of the new machine has been deployed in Irkutsk since 2000. The first pre-production fighter was circled at the Averyanov factory on November 26 2000. The 3 first pre-production Su-30MKIs were handed over to the OKB and, along with experienced aircraft, took part in the test program.

In accordance with the terms of the contract, deliveries and tests of Su-30MKI aircraft were conducted in the 3 stage. Deliveries of the first batch of Su-10MKI fighters from the 30 to the customer took place in the 2002 year, and the second batch of the 12 fighters in the 2003 year. By 2004, the Su-30K and Su-30MKI fighters were re-armed with the 2 Squadron of the Indian Air Force.

The main distinctive features of Su-30MKI fighters:

- for the first time in the world, an engine with a thrust vectoring control (AL-31FP created in the Scientific and Technical Center named after A. Lyulka), as well as a remote control system included in a single control loop, was mounted on a serial fighter. This solution allowed to implement the capabilities of super-maneuverability modes on the Su-30MKI;

- for the first time in the practice of the OKB fighter, a broad integration of domestic and foreign avionics avionics systems was carried out. At Su-30MKI, an "international" complex of onboard radio-electronic equipment was created, which included 14 systems and systems from foreign firms from 6 countries of the world;

- for the first time in the world, a radar with a rotary headlamp was installed on the production car (“Bars” created by the Research Institute of Instrument Making). In addition, a new ejection seat K-36Д-3,5 and a number of other new Russian-developed systems were mounted on the fighter;

- the nomenclature of aviation weapons of destruction was significantly expanded due to the air-to-air missile system of the RVV-AE, air-to-ground class: X-59М, X-31А / П and X-29Л / Т / TE, as well as corrected air bombs CAB-500 and CAB-1500.

Equipped with a fairly wide range of weapons, the Su-30MKI is capable of destroying airborne targets (including objects with a small radar visibility) in close combat, as well as leading preemptive battles in the far distance. This multipurpose fighter can destroy ground and surface objects using guided and unguided weapons at tactical and operational depth. At the same time, the use of open architecture of onboard radio-electronic equipment allows to significantly expand the arsenal of weapons used.

The first victories of Su-30MKI

The most important indicator of the well-deserved authority of the Su-30MKI, as well as its variants, in the opinion of a large number of experts, were the results of international exercises in which this aircraft participated many times. The practice of conducting these exercises appeared in the 2004 year, when they took part in the Su-30K aircraft, designed primarily to gain air superiority. A number of such fighters having the traditional XU-27 / Su-30 X-NUMX radar, which were traditional for the early Su, were sold to India in the 001 year. Despite the fact that these planes had limited capabilities and were significantly inferior in their performance characteristics to the future of the Su-1997MKI, even then this machine managed to show in practice its high efficiency. The command of the Indian Air Force decided that the level of training pilots 30-th squadron allows them to compete with American pilots. We are talking about exercises called Cope India-24, in which the United States was represented by the F-2004C fighter jets.

The results of these exercises have become discouraging for fans of American fighters. The loss of 90% of near-maneuverable air battles was assumed, since the aerodynamic superiority of the Su-30K over the F-15 did not cause any doubts. But at the same time, the Indian pilots were stronger in mid-distance air battles. The pilots, using the capabilities of the Н001 radar, had the advantage when wagering a medium-range SD (guided missile) launch in the mode of targeting several different targets simultaneously. Therefore, it is not surprising that after the end of the exercises in the United States, supporters of further development of the F-22 fighter program, which, according to experts, can compete with new Russian-made fighters, have become more active.

In the same year 2004, Indian fighters conducted a series of training air battles with the F-16C / D Singapore Air Force. During the Sindex-2004 exercises, fights of both single fighters and “5 on 5” were practiced. The parties agreed not to comment on the results of these air battles due to the scrupulousness of the topic. Indians were interested in the potential of F-16, acquired by Pakistan, and Singaporeans are real opportunities for the Su-30, which come to the countries of Southeast Asia.

In the next year, 2005, French fighters from the mixed squad as part of Mirage-30C, Mirage-2000-2000 and Mirage-5N have already become sparring partners of Su-2000K. Training air battles were held as part of the exercises Garuda-II. The Air Forces of France and India worked on the tasks of short-range and long-range air combat, and also solved the tasks of escorting airborne early warning aircraft and providing air defense. During the 8 days of the exercise, the aircraft conducted a 162 departure, of which 74 was produced by Indian Su-30K, the total flight time of Indian pilots was 200 hours. According to French sources, when performing Su-30K interceptions, they were superior to Mirage-2000С and slightly inferior to the newer at that time Mirage-2000-5 equipped with RDY radar. In close air battles, Indian pilots celebrated their victory unconditionally.

Unquestionable superiority

The international debut of Su-30MKI fighters took place during the exercises Cope India-2005. As part of these exercises, the aircraft took part in the simulation of single and group air combat, as well as departures to intercept large groups of strike aircraft. The F-16C / D US Air Force made a conditional opponent for Indian fighters. The most interesting aspect of those exercises was the composition of the competing "teams" of the two countries. The Indian side was represented only by the Su-30MKI aircraft, while the F-16 fighters had informational support from the E-3 AEW aircraft. In this case, it is considered that the presence of the AWACS factor ensures today the victory in aerial combat. Despite this, the ratio of victories turned out to be almost equal, mainly due to the merit of the BNNXX Bars radar with a phased antenna array (PAR).

Less well known are the results of the Indra-British exercises Indra Dhanush-2006, in which Tornado F.Mk.3 fighter-interceptors and Su-30MKI fighters took part. The parties agreed not to disclose among themselves the results of air battles, but, according to British pilots, who were given the opportunity to independently pilot the Su-30MKI, the Russian fighter greatly surpasses their vehicles in their combat capabilities.

Special attention multifunctional fighter Su-30МКИ attracted during the exercise Red Flag-2008, which took place in the United States. The participants of the exercise were the USA, India, South Korea and France. The group of planes departed from India on July 7, and the arrival at Mountain Home Air Base in Idaho on July 17. The flight was carried out with landings in Qatar, Turkey, France and Portugal. For secrecy reasons, the command of the Indian Air Force prohibited its pilots to use airborne Bars radar in combat modes (it was allowed to use only some training ones), use dipole reflectors, turn on electronic countermeasure equipment, also use data transmission equipment (pilots were allowed to use only voice communication ). As part of the Red Flag-2008 exercises, Su-30MKI multifunctional fighters solved the tasks of escorting strike groups with air combat with F-15C and F-16 fighters, defeating ground targets, and fire suppression of the air defense system of a conditional enemy.

According to the results of the performance of conventional combat missions, various versions of Western-made aircraft, the United States had to admit that during the exercises, Su-30MKI fighters proved that they are superior to the main American heavy F-15 fighter, as well as the world's most common lightweight F-16 fighter.

The next success of the Indian Air Force and the Russian aircraft were the international exercises Garuda-IV. In these exercises, the Russian Su-30MKI were opposed by European fighters Mirage-2000 and Rafale. In the course of these exercises, not only the main program - 430 departures, but also an additional one - still 100 departures was carried out. In the course of conducting short-range and long-range air battles, taking off to intercept an air enemy, and escorting Su-30MKI transport aircraft showed complete superiority over European fighters.

To date, Su-30MKI fighters in practice demonstrate the ability to achieve victories in air battles with any fighters belonging to the generations "4", "4 +" and "4 ++". At the same time, the combat capabilities of the fighter allow it to compensate for the lack of external target designation and warning from DRLOI airplanes, the high level of combat training of NATO pilots, as well as their actual combat experience that they gained in military conflicts in the coming decades.

Information sources:
http://www.irkut.com/ru/services/production/SU30MK/
http://www.sukhoi.org/planes/military/su30mk/history/
http://vpk-news.ru/articles/12637
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  1. karimbaev
    karimbaev 30 October 2012 08: 24
    +8
    great plane!
    1. neodymium
      neodymium 30 October 2012 10: 24
      +8
      1. F-22 is today the only fifth-generation fighter in service and the most expensive fighter in the world. 150 млн.

      Cost Su - 80 млн.


      2. Russia has 7 (SEVEN) winked will be 37 by 2015. moreover, Su-30M2

      Algeria-28, Venezuela -24 India - contract for 50 + 140 license, China - 97.
      (Wiki)

      It’s necessary to catch up only:
      37 WILL BE LITTLE.
      1. Zerstorer
        Zerstorer 30 October 2012 11: 18
        0
        Quote: neodim
        F-22 is currently the only fifth-generation fighter in service and the most expensive fighter in the world worth 150 million.

        Cost Su - 80 million


        Of course I like the Su-30. But let's not stoop to primitive estimates. Comparison of the cost of one sample is incorrect. It would be correct to compare the cost of operation + the cost of purchasing the entire fleet of aircraft with the same problem being solved. Su-30, as well as its ancestor Su-27, are quite difficult to operate, therefore it is not yet known who is cheaper to operate ...
        1. crazyrom
          crazyrom 30 October 2012 20: 31
          0
          If our country is attacked, it will not be up to the cost of operation, it will be important who will win. Fortunately, apparently it will be us.

          (Yes, and who told you that the F22 is cheap to operate?)
      2. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
        Andrei from Chelyabinsk 30 October 2012 11: 29
        +8
        Quote: neodim
        1. F-22 today is the only fifth-generation fighter and the most expensive fighter in the world, the cost of 150 million.

        411.7 million dollars http://www.gao.gov/new.items/d11233sp.pdf see the table on the 10 page
        150 million - this is the direct cost of creating one aircraft, without taking into account the indirect costs and cost of research and development.
        Quote: neodim
        Cost Su - 80 million

        This is not the cost :))) This is the selling price of the aircraft under export contracts :))) It will be somewhat lower for its Air Force. And this price includes all the costs of creating the aircraft - both direct and indirect, and R & D. So if you really compare prices - then 80 million (really - less, I think the percentage of 10-15) should be compared with 411 million raptor
      3. Ustin
        Ustin 30 October 2012 16: 27
        +2
        The figure of 80 lyamas is clearly overstated by 1,5 times, in operation the car is quite decent, the approach is certainly not needed as a third-generation aircraft, but in general, many people, even Indians, have been taught. The car really turned out to be successful, you have to try to fly it badly. forgiving, which is important for young pilots. During the operation (rather tough), the OKB and Irkut carried out several stages of modernization, the potential of the device was significantly expanded, mainly at the expense of the Customer, so the Su 30SM turned out to be quite a worthy transitional version with the possibility of further modernization. , but the quantity depends on the customer's desire to increase the output for the plant is not a problem ...
      4. dimanf
        dimanf 30 October 2012 17: 02
        +3
        Quote: neodim
        37 WILL BE LITTLE.


        HERE AND I ABOUT THE SAME.
        posh plane. and to the pilots to hell.
        some handouts.
        1. crazyrom
          crazyrom 30 October 2012 20: 34
          0
          I always reassure myself with the thought that while they are exporting, they stuff their hand and bring the plane to mind, and then we will already make the M2 model (as a friend said above), even better than this one!
          1. alexng
            alexng 30 October 2012 21: 27
            0
            You look a little in that vein. Irkut Corporation is building a new production facility through export, i.e. in the old areas transport and civil aviation will be produced, and in the new ones only military. And it was exports that did not allow this corporation to be bent into the dashing nineties. And if suddenly the Moscow Region decides to buy more aircraft, then this is not a problem for the manufacturer. The question is how much the country's budget can allow and how priorities will be set.
    2. Lucky
      Lucky 30 October 2012 11: 54
      +3
      This is the best aircraft in its class, not great !!!)
  2. View
    View 30 October 2012 09: 26
    +1
    Wonderful airplane
  3. Slevinst
    Slevinst 30 October 2012 09: 40
    +2
    I wonder what the T50 will be like in real conditions
  4. Samovar
    Samovar 30 October 2012 09: 48
    +1
    Except as "has no analogues" I have nothing to say. It especially smiled
    Tornado F.Mk.3 fighter interceptors and Su-30MKI fighters took part. The parties agreed among themselves not to disclose the results of air battles

    Apparently, compared with the previous ones, the Britons were given the most power, so they did not want to disgrace the whole world.
    In GOZ until 2015, it is planned to supply 30 Dryers to our Air Force. Little of course, but still better than nothing at all.
    1. qwerty_zxc
      qwerty_zxc 31 October 2012 11: 31
      -5
      Quote: Samovar
      Apparently, compared with the previous ones, the Britons were given the most power, so they did not want to disgrace the whole world.

      You're delusional. Look for the video where the American colonel parses the battles of the Indian SU-30MK against the F-22 ... He talks, among other things, about the crappy Su-30MK engines, bad electronics and generally the low quality of the whole plane, if my memory serves me right, F- 22 won without a single loss
      1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
        Andrei from Chelyabinsk 31 October 2012 11: 51
        +6
        Quote: qwerty_zxc
        Look for a video where an American colonel examines the battles of Indian SU-30MK against F-22.

        good Wonderful. Only a small amendment - F-22 NEVER fought with Indian Su-30MK yes So that the video can only be devoted to computer simulation laughing This is really
        Quote: qwerty_zxc
        You're delusional.

        But in fact, another option is possible - these are purely American teachings. Everything would be fine, but the fact is that on them the Russian Su-30 represent the help of the F-16 and also the GDR-Mi-29 (the first series. And also the trimmed) laughing
        And finally, the correct option is not the F-22, but the F-15. These yes, they fought with the Indians. But there the advantage was just for the Su-30, only once, after many losses, having developed the appropriate tactics, the Americans managed to make the Su-30 - but they themselves said that "we bought the Indians with a new technique, this number will not work twice."
        1. qwerty_zxc
          qwerty_zxc 31 October 2012 13: 45
          -5
          Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
          But in fact, another option is possible - these are purely American exercises.

          Sorry, wrong, F-15, not F-22. Teachings "Red Flag", in the Indian press bravura about "Su superiority"
          1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
            Andrei from Chelyabinsk 31 October 2012 15: 50
            +1
            Quote: qwerty_zxc
            Teachings "Red Flag", in the Indian press bravura about "Su superiority"

            And what, did Su-30 lose on Red Flage? laughing
            Maybe they also lost at Cope India -2004? laughing laughing
            1. qwerty_zxc
              qwerty_zxc 31 October 2012 15: 58
              -4
              Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
              And what, did Su-30 lose on Red Flage?

              No, of course, how can they lose? Anyone knows that Russian fighters are the best in the world and have no analogues
              1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
                Andrei from Chelyabinsk 31 October 2012 16: 59
                +2
                So there will be some kind of argumentation in defense of the American "Needle"? I warn you right away - the words "bravura nonsense" are not considered proof
                so on what exercises F-15 carried Su-30 without a single loss?
                1. qwerty_zxc
                  qwerty_zxc 31 October 2012 22: 12
                  0
                  The "red flag" is called. there is a video on the network, I can throw it off, unless of course the downs know at least a couple of words in English
              2. TS3sta3
                TS3sta3 31 October 2012 17: 42
                +1
                first lied with three boxes, and then insults went ...
                1. qwerty_zxc
                  qwerty_zxc 31 October 2012 22: 14
                  -1
                  lol, lied. Soviet fighters shot down the latter since 1982, without a single loss. but about insults, colors are not people
                  1. TS3sta3
                    TS3sta3 31 October 2012 22: 45
                    0
                    how uncultured you are, where only such come from. at least behaved humanly
                    1. qwerty_zxc
                      qwerty_zxc 1 November 2012 01: 22
                      0
                      culturally? to joke or what?
      2. Yars
        Yars 31 October 2012 12: 22
        +2
        qwerty - the fact that the American colonel did it already says a lot, or you want to say that the American colonel would say that their plane is worse ?! You, the lawyers of America, do not understand this!
        1. qwerty_zxc
          qwerty_zxc 31 October 2012 13: 44
          -4
          a ram, this is an analysis for its pilots, and he will speak as is
          1. TS3sta3
            TS3sta3 31 October 2012 17: 44
            +1
            take a look, we have a guest - an American potreot.
            tacking america wassat
            1. qwerty_zxc
              qwerty_zxc 31 October 2012 22: 09
              0
              I'm not grateful, unlike you. you just have to really look at things. a country that could not / cannot make a normal car, a normal machine tool, a computer, and even shoes, cannot make normal weapons. at least compare their budget, and the budget of Raska, their corporations and Rashkinsky with 70-year-old designers and morons from vocational schools, compare their culture of production and Rashkinsky
      3. Samovar
        Samovar 31 October 2012 14: 59
        +1
        Quote: qwerty_zxc
        american colonel parses

        Quote: qwerty_zxc
        He talks, among other things, about the crappy Su-30MK engines, poor electronics and generally about the low quality of the entire aircraft

        You rave, taking the words of this colonel at face value.
        1. qwerty_zxc
          qwerty_zxc 31 October 2012 16: 01
          -1
          Quote: Samovar
          You rave, taking the words of this colonel at face value.

          He just really appreciates the performance characteristics, unlike stupid potreots
          1. Samovar
            Samovar 31 October 2012 16: 28
            +1
            Quote: qwerty_zxc
            He just really appreciates the performance characteristics, unlike stupid potreots

            Tries for no less stupid trolls.
          2. TS3sta3
            TS3sta3 31 October 2012 17: 46
            0
            and not officially, this colonel admitted that American planes are junk. like this
            1. qwerty_zxc
              qwerty_zxc 31 October 2012 19: 33
              -3
              dEbil. what else to say. compare at least the cost of aircraft
              1. TS3sta3
                TS3sta3 31 October 2012 19: 38
                0
                and you butt me
  5. Lucky
    Lucky 30 October 2012 11: 58
    +1
    I suppose this is bought by Su in small batches because the main aircraft will be the T-50. They bought them for training pilots under the T-50!
  6. gorkoxnumx
    gorkoxnumx 30 October 2012 12: 27
    +1
    80 million for Su 30 is the export price, and as for f 22, its purchase price is over 140 million excluding R&D, and if the Americans decided to export it there, all 200 million would come out.
    1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
      Andrei from Chelyabinsk 30 October 2012 12: 47
      +3
      Read Above :))) 411,7 million to him the price :)))
  7. cucun
    cucun 30 October 2012 13: 03
    0
    The good news is that all these export airplanes have been substantially "cut off" for secrecy requirements ... This is serious. And electronics and some other things on ours are much more serious.
    And the cost for the Russian Air Force is less than half ...
    1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
      Andrei from Chelyabinsk 30 October 2012 13: 41
      +1
      Quote: cucun
      The good news is that all these export airplanes have been substantially "cut off" for secrecy requirements ... This is serious.

      Where does this data come from?
      Quote: cucun
      And electronics and some other things on our much more serious.

      Rather the opposite. With electronics, everything is not bad, something is better, something is worse ... And the same India can (and does) a hodgepodge of domestic and imported electronics.
      Quote: cucun
      And the cost for the Russian Air Force is less than half ...

      Strongly doubt
      1. cucun
        cucun 31 October 2012 11: 34
        +2
        Data from the original source, i.e. OKB "Sukhoi".
        I can not prove and will not ... Consider my personal opinion.
        1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
          Andrei from Chelyabinsk 31 October 2012 11: 52
          +1
          OK, I consider it a personal opinion :))
    2. Krasnodar
      Krasnodar 30 October 2012 13: 41
      +1
      It would be great to see them in the troops in an amount comparable to at least the Indian! And to teach pilots to use all the advantages of this wonderful aircraft!
      1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
        Andrei from Chelyabinsk 30 October 2012 13: 45
        +2
        Yeah, dreaming is not bad .... I'd love to
  8. vladimirZ
    vladimirZ 30 October 2012 14: 31
    0
    And interestingly, the "international" complex of onboard radio-electronic equipment will not lead at the right time in the right place to the self-destruction of the aircraft? It's so easy to put a secret "bug" in a certain place, program, which will work on the command of its "owner".
    On their aircraft, tanks and other military equipment should be only their own development, of course, taking into account the development of science and technology of the West.
    1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
      Andrei from Chelyabinsk 30 October 2012 15: 05
      +1
      Quote: vladimirZ
      On their aircraft, tanks and other military equipment should be only their own development, of course, taking into account the development of science and technology of the West.

      Well, where did the Indians have their designs? :)))
      1. Ustin
        Ustin 30 October 2012 16: 40
        +1
        Indians have very strong programmers, and they take "deep" licenses, which allows them to make powerful leaps in development. Again they give a good education, many are training abroad. The motivation of personnel is organized in such a way that with the arrival of the company, the young specialist knows his career growth for the next 10-15 years. The country is progressing a lot, and now they can already choose what and from whom to buy ... So now they have a "crush" from sellers.
        1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
          Andrei from Chelyabinsk 30 October 2012 17: 36
          +3
          And yet - they are still at the very beginning. See their Tejas fighter - a national development. And so before your own avionics ...
          It is clear that the Indians are great, and the road will be mastered by walking. But their success is still to come.
      2. qwerty_zxc
        qwerty_zxc 31 October 2012 13: 47
        -3
        In fact, India is a rapidly developing country, it produces everything, unlike rushki, for example
        1. TS3sta3
          TS3sta3 31 October 2012 17: 49
          0
          nothing is produced in drafts, unlike India, there only alternatively gifted and alternatively slender merikos burn the future of their paperland
          1. qwerty_zxc
            qwerty_zxc 31 October 2012 19: 36
            -3
            monkey, they burn other people's money, including the Rashkinsky ones, which are exported by lards. and if their production is in China and Asia, this does not mean that it belongs to the Chinese. name at least one Rashkin company with intellectual potential equal to intel or google
            1. TS3sta3
              TS3sta3 31 October 2012 19: 40
              -1
              all moo da moo,
              but why I don’t understand
              1. qwerty_zxc
                qwerty_zxc 31 October 2012 22: 04
                -1
                really down. the arguments ran out, raved
                1. TS3sta3
                  TS3sta3 31 October 2012 22: 16
                  0
                  very self-critical ...
            2. TS3sta3
              TS3sta3 31 October 2012 22: 23
              0
              Sshashka rebels and impoverished ...
  9. OSTAP BENDER
    OSTAP BENDER 30 October 2012 14: 34
    +2
    It is not a shame that the Indians have these aircraft, but Russia does not? And do not care about all the fanfare, Russia does not have this plane, although by 2020 it may deliver a little! Glory to the great PU, for the fact that he is vigilant for the combat effectiveness of the Russian army !!!!
    1. sasha127
      sasha127 30 October 2012 16: 58
      +1
      It's a shame for our pilots. They still fly on the old Su-27 and Su-24: Su-25.
      1. Shkodnik65
        Shkodnik65 31 October 2012 13: 08
        0
        And they fall like an SU-24 near Chelyabinsk.
        1. sasha127
          sasha127 31 October 2012 14: 21
          0
          Why, they’re being taken away! How old are they? And what kind of funding! And with this they still fly.
  10. toguns
    toguns 30 October 2012 14: 35
    +2
    The plane is good, but unfortunately we do not have a sufficient number of such machines :(
    For a drastic change in the situation, a minimum of 200 Su-30s and ideally as many Su-35s are needed and they are needed now.
    1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
      Andrei from Chelyabinsk 30 October 2012 15: 13
      +5
      Well yes. And if you add to them hundreds more four MiG - 29CMT and MiG-35, but 60 MiG-31BM and Su-25 pieces are well tuned hundreds and a half, and at least two hundred Su-34 (so that in the drums and EW variants) , and yet all the existing A-50 in A50U will be re-modernized, and at least another A-100 ....
      ... I was dreaming something .... feel
    2. sasha127
      sasha127 31 October 2012 14: 30
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      200 Su-30 minimum, are needed to reliably close the border. between Rossee and Ketay ..
  11. Evgan
    Evgan 30 October 2012 18: 05
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    Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
    Well yes. And if you add to them hundreds more four MiG - 29CMT and MiG-35, but 60 MiG-31BM and Su-25 pieces are well tuned hundreds and a half, and at least two hundred Su-34 (so that in the drums and EW variants) , and yet all the existing A-50 in A50U will be re-modernized, and at least another A-100 ....
    ... I dreamed something .... feel


    But explain to me, a close-sighted person in terms of aviation, how is the MiG-35 fundamentally different from the MiG-29SMT, that both of these types of aircraft are needed? Is the 35th MiG not the development of the twenty-nine, i.e. plane of the same class? The same goes for the Su-35 with the Su-30MKI
    1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
      Andrei from Chelyabinsk 30 October 2012 18: 16
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      Quote: EvgAn
      But explain to me, a man close in aviation, what makes the MiG-35 fundamentally different from the MiG-29CMT, what do both of these types of aircraft need?

      The principal difference between SMT and 35 is that SMT is a relatively inexpensive but highly effective upgrade of the Mig-29 (4 generation) to the modern level (4 + generation), in more detail, if you want, http: //www.airwar .ru / enc / fighter / mig29smt.html
      But the MiG-35 is a land-based version of the ultra-modern MiG-29K (generation 4 ++, this is not the MiG-29K that landed on Kuznetsov for the first time, but the one that is now being supplied to the Indians). new plane.
      In general, these two types of aircraft are probably unnecessary, but I can't demand 4 hundreds of brand new MiG-35 ... even in dreams I can not tear myself away from reality :))))) Therefore, my list implied that some the number of Mig-35 we will build and some Mig-29 we upgrade to Mig-29CMT
      Well, with the Su-30 and Su-35 ... Preferably, of course, 35-e. But, as far as I know, they are not yet brought to the serial state. And Su-30 is a very powerful and spent in the construction of the aircraft.
      1. saturn.mmm
        saturn.mmm 31 October 2012 00: 45
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        Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
        Well, with the Su-30 and Su-35 ... Preferably, of course, 35-e. But, as far as I know, they are not yet brought to the serial state. And Su-30 is a very powerful and spent in the construction of the aircraft.

        It's a pity Sergey veteran decided to make a vacation for himself, in any case, I hope for his return in the near future.
        Andrew, let me try to correct you a little
        The Su-30 is a multi-functional two-seater aircraft. It is designed to control group combat operations of fighters in solving the problems of gaining dominance in the air, ensuring combat operations of other combat arms, covering ground troops and objects, destroying airborne assault forces, and also for conducting air reconnaissance and destruction of ground or surface targets. (Fighter-bomber)
        Su-35 is a deeply modernized, highly maneuverable multifunctional fighter for gaining superiority in the air. (Fighter in its purest form) Something like this
        1. Ustin
          Ustin 31 October 2012 04: 35
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          Su 30MKI, Su 35- were originally designed as MFIs — multifunctional fighters capable of solving several tasks, including work on the surface. The MKI is a two-seater device that allows you to distribute work in the crew, and the crew psychologically feels more comfortable, especially when doing work in the North and desert area.
          In addition, training, commissioning of a pilot, weather reconnaissance, etc. When a customer’s flight crew was trained, at first there was a slight panic and a desire to switch to the previous type (MiG29, Su24), it was said that it’s too difficult, after a year of another plane and it wasn’t necessary. The Su35 is a single-seat unit, its specifications (when the series is finished) will be probably better, but not an order of magnitude. So the units are decent and which one to choose.
        2. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
          Andrei from Chelyabinsk 31 October 2012 15: 03
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          Quote: saturn.mmm
          It's a pity Sergey veteran decided to make a vacation for himself, in any case, I hope for his return in the near future.

          I, too:)))
          Quote: saturn.mmm
          Andrew, let me try to correct you a little

          Thank you! :))) But generally speaking, as far as I understand, the Su-35 is not a "pure" hawk, but quite a multifunctional one. Carries and can use anything ... Another question is that to use this handsome man for something other than achieving domination in the air - the hand does not rise :)))
  12. alex86
    alex86 30 October 2012 20: 12
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    And who can explain why ours always has a significantly smaller supply of shells for a gun? And what do the pilots think about this?
    1. Windbreak
      Windbreak 31 October 2012 00: 06
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      Quote: alex86
      why do ours always have a significantly smaller supply of shells for a gun?
      Because the 30 mm GSh-301 cannon has a significantly more powerful and heavier cartridge (828-837) than the 20 mm M61A1 Vulcan cannon (250 g). The Eurofighter Typhoon has a 27 mm cannon with 150 rounds, the JAS 39 Gripen with 120 shots; Dassault Rafale has a 30 mm cannon with 125 shots
      1. alex86
        alex86 31 October 2012 21: 33
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        0,828x150 = 123,75 kg - the weight of ammunition for the Su-30, 0,250x940 = 235 kg - the weight of the ammunition for the F-15 - it’s not entirely convincing, it’s clear, of course, that 2 shells of 20 mm are, apparently, less than one 30 mm (though, why? ...). Therefore, the question is - is 150 shells enough? (I don’t know, therefore I ask ...) The example of Europe is very indirect ...
        1. CAPILATUS
          CAPILATUS 31 October 2012 22: 48
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          only a few shells are enough to bring down an airplane or severely damage it (to exit it from the battle).
          Modern sighting systems on the fighter allow you to shoot down the enemy with the first short burst of several shells, so even such a seemingly small ammunition of 150 rounds seems a little redundant
  13. sedoj
    sedoj 30 October 2012 22: 51
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    Cool video - I want to dance with the plane. But seriously, the Europeans are not capable of such tricks in the air.
    1. qwerty_zxc
      qwerty_zxc 31 October 2012 11: 26
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      Quote: sedoj
      Cool video - I want to dance with the plane. But seriously, the Europeans are not capable of such tricks in the air.

      And why are they needed? This is exactly what freaks. They have "first saw, first shot down"
  14. qwerty_zxc
    qwerty_zxc 31 October 2012 00: 10
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    Are there still donkeys who believe in this nonsense? what the fuck is the best
  15. Seldon
    Seldon 31 October 2012 00: 34
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    Posh plane! Allah bless the separated states of America!
  16. CAPILATUS
    CAPILATUS 31 October 2012 22: 24
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    There are several points before singing diframbs to one or another aircraft.

    everyone knows that it’s not the plane itself that drives it, but the gasket between the control handle and the plane.
    That is, in the aggregate, the pilot wins, who can use the equipment to all 110%, both in terms of piloting and in terms of using all on-board systems (avionics, weapons, jamming, etc.)
    I completely doubt that if now the Su-30MKI, or Su-35, is put in the Russian Air Force, then combat pilots will be able to use its potential at least 70%
    I would cite the example of the Israeli Air Force - in my opinion, the combat-ready air force itself, despite the fact that they fly on "old" F-16 and F-15

    Therefore, IMHO, I think now the course of the leadership of the Russian Air Force is absolutely correct - a general increase in combat readiness on existing equipment (increase raid, increase the level of pilots in combat training centers and increase the percentage of combat-ready existing equipment, group raids, simulating battles alone and in groups, etc. ) with the postponement of rearmament to a new main fighter until the mass production of the T-50.
    Modern air combat, this is not dancing in the air. A pilot can die simply without really understanding what happened.
  17. rapid1934
    rapid1934 9 November 2012 21: 11
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    This is the best aircraft today. The rest is known to those who "held" him by the tail. As a rule, they do not even comment on your statements.
    They do not like to brag about their participation in this car.
    With respect to the forum participants. hi