“How should a military husband arm himself”

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“How should a military husband arm himself”
"Hector says goodbye to his wife and children and arms for his last stand." Miniature in the version from the Epistle of Otea. Waddesdon Manor. James A. Rothschild Collection


“... take a shield and armor and rise to help me;”
Psalms 34:2

stories about weapons. Middle Ages. In one of the previous materials of our cycle, commentators were especially interested not so much in the armor itself, but in what their wearers had “under the bottom” (that is, what and how they wore under the armor). And here, to our common happiness, there is a manuscript of about 1485, where this issue is considered in great detail, but there are very few illustrations in it. This manuscript is called “How a Military Husband Should Arm”, and today we will get acquainted with its contents in great detail. True, it was written in Middle English, that is, it is simply impossible for a modern person to read it in the original, but there were good specialists among the English who translated it into modern language, and there is no problem with its translation today.




A knight putting on armor to participate in a foot tournament. A page with a miniature from the late 1485th century manuscript "How a Man Schall be Armyd" ("How a military husband should arm himself"). It is believed that this illustration is the only example of a depiction of a medieval military doublet with chain mail inserts sewn on it. "Knave" (servant) ties a chain mail "skirt" on him. The big "bascinet" of the knight is waiting for him on the table, and the short halberd and alshpis stand against the wall. The Hastings Manuscript, ca. XNUMX Pierpont Morgan Library, New York

Let's start with the fact that the knight's attire always started from the soles of the feet and then went higher and higher. First of all, he pulled stockings made of woven wool over his legs. The Hastings manuscript mentions such stockings, or wrappings, of stamin sengill, a worsted fabric made in Norfolk. Well, the shoes that should have been put on are completely described in great detail:

“... a pair of shoes made of thick cordovan leather, with three small laces ... it is appropriate to have laces from the best twine, between these laces at the heel and in the middle of the foot there should be a distance of three fingers.”

That is, shoes were laced very tightly along the leg, both in front and behind.


The end of the "epoch of mail-plate armor". All riders are wearing bascinet helmets with chain mail, colored jupons are worn over cuirasses. The horses are wearing blankets and saffron masks. "Great Chronicles of France", 1390-1405. National Library, Paris

According to the Hastings manuscript, no shirt was worn under the flannel underarmor or (as it is called in the manuscript) military doublet, which was lined with satin. But here the question immediately arises, how were the stockings supported then, since in the middle of the XNUMXth century they only reached the hips, and even later, having become longer, they were still attached to the civilian doublet with strings.


Chain mail as a means of protection is playing an ever smaller role. On the armor in this miniature, only the “skirt” of the cuirass and the aventail of one of the knights are chain mail. "History Trojan War, written in plain language, 1390-1400. Southern Germany. Austrian National Library, Vienna

Since the wearing of a civilian doublet under armor is unlikely, it is necessary to assume that the military doublet has at least a couple of loops or something similar at the bottom, to which stockings could be tied. But only in front, because from a practical point of view, the stockings should have been left loose at the back, since even under normal conditions, with a sharp forward tilt, there was a real possibility of breaking the strings. The Hastings manuscript says that the doublet had many holes, and, most likely, they served just for threading shoelaces.


Here the knight is also dressed up for battle. "Book of the Queen" by Christina of Pisa, 1410-1414 Paris. British Library, London

To protect the armpits, which the plate armor did not cover, chain mail inserts were sewn to the doublet. From the Hastings manuscript, we also learn about a "thin blanket" that was supposed to be wrapped around the knees so as not to rub the skin against the metal. The knight's throat was protected by a standing chain mail collar. Moreover, today it is believed that it was a separate piece, fastened at the back - the most reliable way, although it required the help of a servant.


Quite a “modern” knight for that time. Journey to Genoa, Jean Marot (1450?–1526). National Library of France, Paris

In addition to the sole, each foot was covered with a lamellar sabaton, made of many metal plates overlapping each other, connected with rivets. The sabaton had a loop on the outside of the leg below the ankle, and fastened on the inside with a strap and buckle. If the knight wore Italian-style chain mail sabatons (rarely seen at that time in England), then they could be attached to greaves or greaves due to the many holes along their lower edge. The greaves themselves usually had two vertical hinge-and-loop connections on the outside, and were fastened with straps with buckles on the inside, where it was difficult for the enemy to cut them. They were tied to sabatons with "ends" - laces with hard tips, similar to modern shoe laces!


Even in the era of "white armor" there were originals who wore something pretentious. "Grieving Berthe says goodbye to her fallen husband, the knight Girard de Roussillon, on the battlefield." Miniature by Jean Vauquelin, Roman de Girard de Roussillon, 1448. Vienna, Austrian National Library, Vienna

The kneecap and the "kuis" (plate gaiter) became a single piece. At the top of the "mane" or greave there was a swivel pin that passed through a hole in the lower plate of the kneecap, while the main plate of the latter and the "kuis" were held together by straps behind the knee and thigh, respectively. To fasten the “kuis”, or legguard, a leather extension with holes punched in it was riveted to its upper edge, which was tied with laces to the lower part of the “underarmor” or military doublet. Which had the same holes on the edge. This is how both legs were covered with metal.


And now it has come to the metal: here are the mail underpants of the 3,2th century (there were no older ones!). Weight XNUMX kg. Metropolitan Museum of Art, New York

To protect the genitals, a chain mail “skirt” served, allowing the warrior to sit comfortably. The "skirt" was tied around the waist and possibly supported by metal-tipped laces, which again were tied to the bottom edge of the doublet. Chain mail pantaloons could also be used. However, they were hardly comfortable for riding.


Chain mail of the 9th century. Nuremberg. Weight XNUMX kg. Metropolitan Museum of Art, New York

A breastplate was attached to the breastplate from the inside. From 1430, the lower plate split in two, and both plates began to hang on straps. These thigh pads were called "tassets", and their length was constantly increasing. The cuirass for the torso had hinges with studs on the wearer's left side, and fastened on the right side with buckle straps, and was also pulled together by straps on the shoulders of the shoulders. After about 1450, there was a trend in Germanic cuirass designs to use a belt instead of pins and buckles. In addition, the chest and back parts of the cuirass of the XNUMXth century usually consisted of two parts - the upper and lower parts, with the upper one going behind the lower one. They were also connected with straps with buckles, usually one at the front and one at the back.


Separate chain mail sleeve from the Wallace Collection, London. Such sleeves were sewn to the military doublet and served as additional protection for the joints of plate plates. Photo wallacecollection.org

"Wanbras", or bracers, were forged plates to protect the shoulder part of the arm and forearm, similar to pipes and consisting of two halves (they were called "upper / lower barrel" or "upper / lower tubes"). The arm simply slipped into the “upper barrel”, to which a leather extension was attached at the shoulder for a pair of “ends” that served to connect it with the shoulder of the doublet. The "lower barrel" had a loop-and-swivel connection on the outside and a connection with buckle straps on the inside. In England, the "lower barrel" was most likely attached to the lower edge of the "upper barrel" with metal-tipped cords, although this has not been established for certain.


Knightly armor from the Wallace Collection, 2,1th century. Between the plates of the armor, chain mail sleeves are clearly visible, as well as laces with metal tips. The weight of its constituent parts is as follows: 1,36 kg, helmet; 2,34 kg, bevor; 1,97 kg, bib; 3,64 kg, skirt; 1,5 kg, backrest; 1,2 kg, left rib, cutter and bracer; 0,3 kg, right rib, cutter and bracer; 0,34 kg, left glove; 0,17 kg, right glove; 0,13 kg, rondel (aka besagu); 1,49 kg, rondel; 1,6 kg, left gaiter (kuis); 0,85 kg, right legguard (kuis); 0,41 kg, leggings left and right; XNUMX kg, left and right sabatons. Photo wallacecollection.org

The shoulder in the first half of the century was closed with a lamellar shoulder pad, which was laced up with “ends” passed through holes in the upper edge of one of the plates, as well as a strap with a buckle at the bend of the arm. The armpits were protected by paired "besagu", hanging from the pauldron or attached to the cuirass with strings. "Besagyu" most often had the shape of a disk with a spike sticking out of the center, but there are also besagyu of the most whimsical forms. By 1440, "poldrones" or forged plate shoulders came into use, covering the back and chest, and fastened in almost the same way as lamellar shoulder pads.


Chain mail gloves that survived fashion. Hungary, 0,271th century Weight XNUMX kg. Photo wallacecollection.org

Plate gloves had bells, and the knuckles could be supplied with “gadlings” - small steel pyramids or spikes that filmmakers love to decorate their armor with today. By about 1440, the popular mitten-shaped mail gauntlets were replaced by real protective gloves made of metal plates sewn onto the skin. A sword hung from the belt on the left, and a dagger was usually on the right. If the knight was going to sit in the saddle, spurs were fixed at his ankles with the help of straps with buckles.


Quilted linen balaclava from 1484. One of the six balaclavas ordered for the tournament in honor of the second wedding of Sigismund (1427–1496), Duke of Upper Austria and Count of Tyrol, with Katherine of Saxony. Materials: quilted fabric, hemp, leather. Armory of the New Hofburg Castle (Rüstkammer), Vienna

The helmet was worn last. In 1400, many knights wore a "bascinet" with a cone-shaped and pointed visor, which could be removed by pulling out the locking pins from it. Around 1420, the “large bascinet” with a forged “necklace” or plate collar attached to it to protect the neck was widely distributed. The visor began to take on a rounded shape and look like a skimmer due to the many holes for ventilation.


Italian bascinet, more like a barbut. 1425-1450 Weight 3,237 kg. Photo wallacecollection.org

By the 1440s, helmets such as sallet and armet gradually began to replace the bascinet. Many helmets had a strip of canvas or leather riveted inside around the perimeter, to which a lining was sewn with a lining of hay, horsehair, wool or tow. Often it was cut from segments so that it was possible to pull it together on the dome with a cord and thus adjust the fit of the helmet on the head. It also happened that the lining was glued from the inside. Other metal elements of the armor also often had a lining. Sometimes warriors continued to wear the quilted cap-balaclava known from antiquity, which was pulled together with strings under the chin.


Decoration of the Wallace Collection: armor set for a rider and his horse by the gunsmith Ulrich Rambs (?), Germany, 1480. Materials: iron, low and medium carbon steel, leather, felt, canvas and copper alloy. Manufacturing technology: forging, corrugation, perforation, turning, etching, embossing and engraving. The mass of the entire armor for the rider is 27,161 kg. The mass of the entire armor for the horse is 30,07 kg. The mass of chain mail is 10,17 kg. Photo wallacecollection.org
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  1. +9
    18 November 2022 06: 14
    The end of the "epoch of mail-plate armor".

    very good that there are clear dates in the work!
    Thanks Vyacheslav Olegovich.
    hi
  2. +6
    18 November 2022 07: 08
    But only in front, because from a practical point of view, the stockings should have been left loose at the back, since even under normal conditions, with a sharp forward tilt, there was a real possibility of breaking the strings.
    Is the slip loop option on the garter not considered?
    Thank you, Vyacheslav Olegovich!
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      +8
      18 November 2022 08: 02
      Good morning Anton. I join in gratitude to Vyacheslav Olegovich - magnificent illustrations.
      Here I found another interesting


      Ancient Chronicles of England, Jean de Wavren. (1400?-1474?). Bibliothèque nationale de France, Département des manuscrits, Français 85, fol. 277r.
      1. +7
        18 November 2022 08: 29
        Quote: Thick
        Andrey Borisovich

        Thank you for finding and using this illustration. I can only use those before 1450 for the time being.
      2. +5
        18 November 2022 10: 22
        Quote: Thick
        Ancient Chronicles of England, Jean de Wavren.

        Not quite sure what that piece of armor is?
        1. +7
          18 November 2022 10: 37
          Not quite sure what that piece of armor is?
          Gloves.
          Hello, Sergey!
          1. +4
            18 November 2022 10: 41
            Quote: 3x3zsave
            Gloves.

            Oh those gloves!
            Good afternoon Anton! hi
          2. +6
            18 November 2022 11: 46
            Hello. drinks Here's the video you asked me to paste, but at normal speed. How did the knight dress?
          3. +4
            18 November 2022 12: 26
            Well, the mutorga with dressing. And how was it with the administration of natural needs? We had some problems with winter tank overalls. laughing
            Hello Anton! smile
            1. +4
              18 November 2022 12: 29
              We had some problems with winter tank overalls.

              That bike that you told, I remembered for the rest of my life. If you want to live - know how to spin. laughing
              And how was it with the administration of natural needs?

              Somehow it was... wassat
              1. +3
                18 November 2022 12: 33
                Quote: Pane Kohanku
                Somehow it was...

                After all, cleaning equipment is a servant's job. hi
                1. +3
                  18 November 2022 12: 40
                  After all, cleaning equipment is a servant's job.

                  And the removal of pots from under the master's ass!
                  1. +4
                    18 November 2022 12: 45
                    Quote: Pane Kohanku
                    And the removal of pots from under the master's ass!

                    So I see the scene, as an elderly servant, rinsing the master's chain mail panties in a tub, grumbles: "Something in the last battle our master is especially strong ........." laughing
              2. +3
                18 November 2022 12: 49
                Somehow it was... wassat


                Hopefully not pants. Although in an emergency... belay

                Hi, Nikolay! smile
                1. +3
                  18 November 2022 12: 52
                  Hopefully not pants. Although in an emergency...

                  Hi Uncle Kostya! drinks There, there! wassat
                  1. +3
                    18 November 2022 13: 11
                    However, it seems that the ass was not armored, but the causal place is clearly protected.

                    1. +5
                      18 November 2022 13: 58
                      Quote: Sea Cat
                      However, it seems that the ass was not armored

                      Therefore, a kick in the ass is quite often represented in miniatures:


                      Charles the Bold, when his body was identified, also had one of the wounds in the buttocks. hi
                      1. +3
                        18 November 2022 15: 14
                        Therefore, a kick in the ass is quite often represented in miniatures:

                        Then before the fight it was necessary to "refuel" properly. wink

                      2. +5
                        18 November 2022 16: 25
                        Quote: Mihaylov
                        Therefore, a kick in the ass is quite often represented in miniatures:

                        I welcome you Sergey!
                        In my time, a hockey player's butt was also... Hmm. Not protected. laughing

                        Now, to be honest, I don’t know. In principle, from the point of view of trauma, it’s not the most *sore* place. bully
                      3. +4
                        18 November 2022 16: 34
                        Quote: ArchiPhil
                        .In principle, from the point of view of trauma, it’s not the most * sore * place.

                        Good afternoon Sergey, I heard that from the point of view of injuries, this is a very problematic place: there are a lot of blood vessels or something like that, you need to ask the doctors.
                        But even if it is not fatal, the knight is unlikely to be able to continue the fight. hi
                      4. +2
                        18 November 2022 21: 17
                        Quote: Mihaylov
                        in terms of injuries, this is a very problematic place

                        Nowhere is more problematic!
                        Penetrating into the rectum or other intestines - sepsis. Even with today's medicine, a drunken "joke" with a compressed air hose up your ass is often fatal. Yes, the impact of the air jet passes through any pants, and inflates the intestines until it breaks and the contents enter the abdominal cavity. But all the same, there are fools (who inflated frogs with straws in childhood) who “joke” like that, sending another worker to the hospital, and themselves to prison. Sorry, sore topic, I constantly come across at work.
                        In ancient times, fractures of the pelvis, coccyx, and other things were caused by a blow with a blunt weapon or a club. Lots of blood vessels, a cut with anything and bleeding. In general, the injuries are difficult even for the current surgeon, if they take him.
                        Even now, the "belt buckle" aiming area is the most inactive place for the walker, and the most severe injuries. With damaged pelvic bones, the enemy will inevitably fall and will no longer be able to get up, before a complex operation.
                      5. +5
                        18 November 2022 17: 14
                        In principle, from the point of view of trauma, it’s not the most * sore * place.
                        It never hit your tailbone.
                        Hello, Sergey!
                      6. +3
                        18 November 2022 18: 00
                        Quote: 3x3zsave
                        It never hit your tailbone.
                        Hello, Sergey!

                        Hello Anton!
                        Nope, it worked out somehow. laughing And if you keep in mind the game, then the hockey shorts are quite high. There were sewn-in shields in front. The shorts themselves were sewn from thick fabric with felt. Now the protection is, of course, an order of magnitude higher. what a comparison with those in which, for example, Sorokin plays. hi
              3. +7
                18 November 2022 15: 01
                Quote: Pane Kohanku
                If you want to live, be able to spin.

                I've never seen how a hockey goalie puts on * armor *? It even looks like a * knight * vestment. But there are no servants. bully
                Hi Nikolay!
                1. +5
                  18 November 2022 15: 20
                  It even looks like a *knight* attire.


                  But the view is intimidating. good



                  Hello Seryozha! smile
                  1. +6
                    18 November 2022 15: 31
                    Hi Konstantin!
                    No, not always. It's more terrible to look at the faces of goalkeepers who played without masks in their time.
                  2. +5
                    18 November 2022 15: 38
                    Quote: Sea Cat
                    awesome

                    For example, Terry Savchuk from *Detroit*.

                    The times were legendary. hi
                    1. +3
                      18 November 2022 15: 46
                      .It's scarier to look at the faces of goalkeepers who played without masks in their time.


                      Yeah ... there's nothing to say here! request
                    2. +2
                      18 November 2022 15: 51
                      The article is a thumbnail. Farewell to the knight Gerard de Roussillon who fell on the battlefield. How could he fall? I looked closely - solid iron! Listen, this is an impenetrable tin can! But he took and fell.
                      How to open a knight to death?
                      1. +4
                        18 November 2022 15: 57
                        Quote: depressant
                        Listen, this is an impenetrable tin can! But he took and fell.

                        For every tin can there is a can opener. Or? Just a knife. laughing
                        Glad to see you, Lyudmila Yakovlevna! hi
                      2. +1
                        18 November 2022 16: 39
                        I have fun too)))
                        There Kostya placed a "miniature", with a garbage chute. I had such a structure in the entrance, and some unknowing, from the new tenants, threw garbage there (not me), and that garbage fell right into the room, which the plumbers adapted for their tools. It was noisy and fun. "Visor" brewed. Now the metal pillar inside the entrance is a monument of the civilized era...
                        We talk so much about armor, and the further, the more it begins to seem that a knight cannot be killed, and if he died, then by an unfortunate accident. Either the whole herd fell under the weight of their iron into the lower latrine (Nefelim will say, they say, a legend), then they got bogged down in a field that turned into slush in the rain, then they could fall from horses and be killed ...
                        I saw tournaments in films. They hit him with a spear, there was a ringing, he fell off his horse and died.
                        Modern vestment like "Warrior" - it's beautiful, but my God! -- solid matter interspersed with metal... But the knight was mortal, however.
                    3. +1
                      19 November 2022 18: 03
                      I think the knights looked something like Savchuk (only they had beards). After all, from childhood they trained with weapons, first wooden, then blunt metal - scars and bumps are inevitable here, like knocked out teeth, broken noses.
                      And they also had broken fingers and hands - this is also inevitable when training with weapons.
  3. +5
    18 November 2022 08: 35
    Thank you, Vyacheslav Olegovich! How long could the dressing last?
    1. +5
      18 November 2022 09: 41
      Quote from Korsar4
      How long could the dressing last?

      Well, they dressed me for about 15 minutes ... True, I did not change my underwear. But the chaise, shirt, vest - that's all there was. A lot of things had to be tied. And so greaves on hooks. Get dressed instantly.
      1. +4
        18 November 2022 13: 18
        And after dressing - to jump? Doesn't it ring, doesn't hang out? )))
        Good afternoon, Vyacheslav Olegovich!
        Peace and goodness to those present!
        1. +2
          18 November 2022 17: 33
          Quote: depressant
          (lyudmila yakovlevna

          Good afternoon! I couldn't jump. For the first five minutes, I couldn't move at all. Don't raise your hand, don't take a step. Then he dispersed, but after 30 minutes he was very tired.
          1. +2
            18 November 2022 18: 30
            But you plow in the garden, Vyacheslav Olegovich! Dig, you know. So the powerhouse is something heroic - it must be)))
            Well, I rummaged around, found and examined the reconstruction of the underwear of a knight of the described era. Wide shirt with three-quarter sleeves. Pants of the same fabric - wide, to the knees. A belt made of stiff fabric, also wide, something like a corset, with straps for tightening, so that the knight would be slender or appear? Is it from there that the subsequent women's corsets of later eras come from?
            But stockings... My God, they were sewn! They cut the fabric along the bias, so that these unfortunate stockings fit more tightly, so that they were tight-fitting, and in some cases it came to the point that it was impossible to sit in them. However, the knight in armor probably did not have to sit. Except on a horse. In winter, two pairs of this were pulled on their legs. And these stockings reached the middle of the thigh in height, and if possible - higher. And yes, they tied up. But did the idea really not reach the point of sewing underpants - if you really wanted to sew like that?
            They say the Scandinavians knitted, crocheted. Here are those stockings. But if so, why didn't the technology spread to all of Europe? Here is a riddle.
            And they say that the underwear is still washed. Haha, don't wash it! Unlike the top, only in the rain wassat )))
            In general, the stockings made a painful impression on me. But, I believe, there was obviously a meaning in such a construction, inaccessible to modern man ...
            A hundred years will pass, and the descendants will say about us: "This is how they dressed? What a game!" And they won’t understand about the current protective camouflage wassat )))
            1. +2
              18 November 2022 18: 54
              Quote: depressant
              And yes, they tied up.

              There will be material about this very soon, Lyudmila Yakovlevna. Now I collect interesting illustrations. Some are very funny...
              1. +1
                18 November 2022 19: 34
                Some are very funny...


                In our funny time, funny illustrations are most appropriate, Vyacheslav Olegovich ...
                This is me with bitterness. Even my laugh is bitter.
                1. +2
                  18 November 2022 19: 44
                  Quote: depressant
                  Even my laugh is bitter.

                  In vain... Mayan life is a ghostly world!
              2. +2
                18 November 2022 20: 12
                Now I collect interesting illustrations. Some are very funny...

                Photo of Jean Reno from the movie "Aliens", where they take a bath together with Christian Clavier, be sure to insert, for clarity. Yes The erotic underwear of Count Godefroy de Montmirail was precisely dirty, smelly stockings with strings. laughing
                1. +2
                  18 November 2022 20: 16
                  Quote: Pane Kohanku
                  from the movie "Aliens"

                  When I watched it for the first time, I laughed incredibly! In my opinion, it's an excellent film.
                2. +2
                  18 November 2022 20: 17
                  Quote: Pane Kohanku
                  The erotic underwear of Count Godefroy de Montmirail was precisely dirty, smelly stockings with strings

                  Ugh! All this was wrong! Iron rubs hard. Only in a clean one can avoid scuffs and eczema! They washed regularly, wrapped the folds with clean linen strips, tried to wear silk shirts. They choked, brushed their teeth, ... all this is in the books of that time. But as in the USSR, as we have today - there were many books in one place, and many people who did not read them - in another!
            2. +3
              18 November 2022 18: 56
              Quote: depressant
              So the silushka is a heroic one - it must be

              Well, I used to lift a 30 kg bag of cement relatively easily. And now it’s only enough to load it from the car onto a wheelbarrow and take it to the barn. Alas! And digging beds and cutting branches is not strength.
              1. +2
                18 November 2022 19: 46
                digging beds and cutting branches is not strength.

                And I began to choke. One more inoculation, and I'll fit in a coffin like a carcass. They threaten with an unusual misfortune!
                That is OK...
                "The eyes are afraid - but the hands
                everything keeps pouring."
                Hopefully, at least this skill is still being implemented? Can you hold a glass? wassat )))
                Wow, how rude! From the category:
                "Come on, hang yourself soon,
                We need a stool here."
                Missing a hit wassat )))
                Do not pay attention, Vyacheslav Olegovich, this is my fun.
                1. +1
                  18 November 2022 20: 18
                  Quote: depressant
                  digging beds and cutting branches is not strength.

                  And I began to choke.

                  The same thing, although he did not vaccinate. You can't walk as fast as before.
            3. +3
              18 November 2022 19: 02
              And they say that the underwear is still washed. Haha, don't wash it! Unlike the top, only in the rain
              Yes, yes, and they also washed twice in their lives: at baptism and at the funeral.
              1. +1
                18 November 2022 19: 31
                Anton, well, you don’t need to put such a meaning into my words. We talked about the Parisian baths at the beginning of the Renaissance. And I remember the Roman baths in Paris. But there was chivalry and ... chivalry. Don't be so meticulously monotonous)))
                1. +3
                  18 November 2022 19: 49
                  Quote: depressant
                  But there was chivalry and... chivalry


                  Jacob von Warth, minnesinger, knight, owner of 2 castles!
                2. +3
                  18 November 2022 19: 53
                  Ahh, so it was a joke, Lyudmila Yakovlevna? Sorry I didn't appreciate it...
                  1. +3
                    18 November 2022 20: 14
                    To the comment above by Vyacheslav our Olegovich.
                    Jacob von Warth, minnesinger, knight

                    Well, now I understand how the minnesinger knights lived then ... lol With a fragrant bath and juicy helpful peyzanki. bully Really, a Minnesinger Knight with a balalaika? laughing It's me who's making fun of you, minstrel-poet! drinks
                    1. +5
                      18 November 2022 20: 21
                      The owner of two castles is still pleasing to the peysanki in our time. And some of ours are even introduced into the English Chamber of Peers. Seems to wash well wassat )))
                      1. +3
                        18 November 2022 20: 49
                        Seems to wash well

                        There other talents, Lyudmila Yakovlevna. Unfortunately, under capitalism, somewhat different qualities are valued ... recourse
                      2. +2
                        19 November 2022 12: 38
                        Seems to wash well
                        Rather, they themselves for peisanok for whom it is necessary Yes .
                    2. +2
                      18 November 2022 21: 00
                      Are you sure Jacob von Warth was in good health?
                      1. +3
                        18 November 2022 21: 02
                        Are you sure Jacob von Warth was in good health?

                        I don’t know about health, but with potency - everything is fine for sure! Four paisans! fellow
                      2. +2
                        18 November 2022 21: 25
                        Four paisans!
                        You are always drawn to the peyzanok, apparently, from oversaturation with the place of birth.)))
                      3. +2
                        18 November 2022 23: 26
                        You are always drawn to the peyzanok, apparently from oversaturation with the place of birth.

                        My place of birth, like my place of residence, provides only statistics on dismemberment among historians, and not on the abundance of peisans. request Well, you're dreaming of being scattered by ashes over the Neva, and native Petersburgers are flying in pieces to the Moika! wassat
                    3. +4
                      19 November 2022 08: 03
                      Quote: Pane Kohanku
                      how did the minnesinger knights live then ..

                      Good title for an article ... I'll think about it ...
                      1. 0
                        19 November 2022 20: 08
                        Good title for an article ... I'll think about it ...

                        No. If the title is: "Like Someone Did Something", all at once I think that Samsonov writes. stop So let it be: "Life and way of life of medieval knights-minnesingers". Yes I will provide you with a photo of a drunken Anton for the article. wink drinks
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                        20 November 2022 07: 52
                        Quote: Pane Kohanku
                        "Life and way of life of medieval knights-minnesingers".

                        Live a century, and still there will be someone who will teach you. Credit 5 in journalism, Nikolai!
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                        20 November 2022 18: 30
                        Credit 5 in journalism, Nikolai!

                        Teacher I'm too good, Vyacheslav Olegovich! good I bow, thank you, sincerely! drinks
                        Yes, and that you didn’t wear medieval underpants - minus. lol Gestalt, the immersion must be total! stop
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                        20 November 2022 19: 43
                        Quote: Pane Kohanku
                        what about medieval underpants

                        You can't wear something that isn't there! I didn’t try on all this in a museum, but in some club of reenactors, and just now they didn’t have panties. By the way, I asked, and they chill me hard and put pressure ... on ... That is, something else had to be put there, but I and we didn’t have it at hand!
                        By the way, material about minnesang began to be written ...
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                        21 November 2022 09: 30
                        By the way, I asked, and they chill me hard and put pressure ... on ... That is, something else had to be put there, but I and we didn’t have it at hand!

                        Then let's leave it to the medieval ancestors. laughing
                        By the way, material about minnesang began to be written ...

                        We are looking forward to it! Yes
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    18 November 2022 10: 17
    In addition to the sole, each foot was covered with a lamellar sabaton.

    I was surprised that sabatons also existed in ancient times:
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    18 November 2022 10: 49
    And here, to our common happiness, there is a manuscript of about 1485, where this issue is considered in great detail, but there are very few illustrations in it. This manuscript is called “How a Military Husband Should Arm”, and today we will get acquainted with its contents in great detail. True, it was written in Middle English, that is, it is simply impossible for a modern person to read it in the original, but there were good specialists among the English who translated it into modern language, and there is no problem with its translation today.

    This manuscript is called Ordonances of Chivalry (Ordonances of Chivalry). It was written approximately in the second half of the 320th century for Sir John Astley, the royal constable. It was written in Middle English and Latin. Considering the volume (14 sheets), there is a lot of information in it. It also contains a separate chapter "How a man should be armed at his leisure when he will be fighting on foot" with an illustration, which the author considers at the beginning of the article. There are XNUMX illustrations in this manuscript.
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      18 November 2022 13: 09
      The big "bascinet" of the knight is waiting for him on the table, and the short halberd and alshpis stand against the wall.

      At the wall, the knight is waiting not for a short halberd, but for a poleax - at that time the most popular weapon for foot combat. And the knight in the illustration is preparing just for foot combat. Moreover, not just for foot combat, but for a judicial duel.
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        18 November 2022 13: 28
        According to the "Hastings manuscript"

        It's necessary, in one text how many "urban legends" to create.
        There are no "Hastings manuscripts". Hastings Mss are documents from the Hastings family collection. There are more than 50 of them. They cover the period from 000 to 1100 AD. The Archeologia Classica magazine in its article just refers to documents from this collection. And "Ordonances of Chivalry", from which the illustration in question is also from this collection. This is the same document. The author got lost in three medieval pines.
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          +6
          18 November 2022 15: 13
          hi Give a link to information about the collection, it is better, of course, directly to the page of the manuscript (if there is one), please shed the "light of truth", otherwise The Morgan Library & Museum website does not add clarity
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            18 November 2022 16: 36
            I shed light. A manuscript from the Hastings family's Ordonances of Chivalry collection is currently in The Morgan Library & Museum. But in publications it is sometimes referred to as Hastings Mss.
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              +4
              18 November 2022 16: 58
              Thank you. Understood. In Sir John Astley's Ordinances of Chivalry [MS M.775]. pages 122v-123v describe step by step how the knight put on his armor before fighting in a duel. - from the site of the historical reenactor Lonnie Colson https://www.lonniecolson.com/index.php/article-medieval-armingdoublet
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          18 November 2022 17: 41
          Quote from Nephilim
          This is the same document.

          The material was taken from Christopher Gravett's book HISTORY OF ENGLISH KNIGHTSHIP, Eksmo, 2010. pp. 166, 167. I don't see the point of checking for Christopher Gravett, especially in the material of a popular format. And the fact that it was clearly he was mistaken, well ... well, he can be mistaken too.
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            18 November 2022 18: 36
            In this case, not the author of the book could make a mistake, but the translator.
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              18 November 2022 18: 47
              Quote from Nephilim
              and a translator.

              Could. But it doesn't seem to fit the text. Although who knows, we need to compare our Russian text and English. And I don't have an English book. And I didn't find the full text of it on the Web either. By the way, I looked at Fig. at high magnification. There is no hammer on the butt, but something like a "beak". I saw this in one castle, but you can’t shoot there and it works only in summer. 2 person staff. Asking them to take off their weapons and armor, well, I don’t know who you have to be to beg them.
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                18 November 2022 19: 19
                No, not a translator. I looked at the original - English Medieval Knight, 1400-1500, it really says that the drawing is from "How a man should be armed at his leisure when he will be fighting on foot". It turns out that the assistant armor keeper at the Tower Armory, who specializes in weapons and armor of the medieval world, is wrong.
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                  18 November 2022 19: 41
                  Quote from Nephilim
                  It turns out that the assistant armor keeper at the Tower Armory, who specializes in weapons and armor of the medieval world, is wrong.

                  You see ...
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                    18 November 2022 19: 57
                    You see ...

                    But this is not a role model.
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                      18 November 2022 20: 47
                      Terenty Travnik:

                      I became smart and learned to see
                      Sense and even discern...
                      Now I enter the school of the wise,
                      Where they are taught not to notice everything.

                      Nephilim with sincere admiration)))
                      1. +3
                        18 November 2022 20: 55
                        Nephilim with sincere admiration

                        I will support. drinks
                        It turns out that the assistant armor keeper at the Tower Armory, who specializes in weapons and armor of the medieval world, is wrong.

                        Apparently, this armor was forged from Sheffield steel? How did England then buy steel from nasty Scotland?
                      2. +3
                        19 November 2022 12: 40
                        How did England then buy steel from nasty Scotland?
                        How is wine in Argentina now and titanium \ gold \ platinoids in Russia.
                      3. +1
                        19 November 2022 20: 10
                        How is wine in Argentina now and titanium \ gold \ platinoids in Russia.

                        Argentina has wine In England? belay We usually have Chilean in stores. good ones. South Africa is. (I don't mention Europe). They do good stuff in the USA too.
                      4. +1
                        19 November 2022 22: 45
                        Argentina has wine In England?
                        And in large quantities, on a par with Australia, they are represented here.
                      5. +1
                        20 November 2022 18: 28
                        And in large quantities, on a par with Australia, they are represented here.

                        In our country, in general, in connection with the events of this year, the foreign assortment of wines has not decreased much, if at all. I don’t know about “drinks of the so-called tattered ilita”, I don’t know all sorts of hundred-year-old ones, I don’t drink such. laughing When will your tinkov be squeezed? wink The people are in joyful anticipation, glory to the British king! laughing drinks
                      6. +1
                        20 November 2022 20: 55
                        When will your tinkov be squeezed?
                        We don't know who it is request what club does he play for laughing .
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                18 November 2022 19: 29
                By the way, I looked at Fig. at high magnification. There is no hammer on the butt, but something like a "beak".

                A hammer is not required.

                Photo from the Historical Museum, Dresden.
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                  18 November 2022 19: 42
                  Quote from Nephilim
                  Photo from the Historical Museum, Dresden.

                  There were many varieties of them.
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                    18 November 2022 20: 52
                    And the very first one, only without a sharp protrusion, is now a commonplace kitchen item.
                    Time passes, objects change purpose. And the purpose of people remains the same.
                    Mmmmm... What am I talking about?
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                      18 November 2022 21: 14
                      Mmmmm... What am I talking about?
                      Looks like a good chop
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                  18 November 2022 20: 44
                  Looked in the British reissue of Talhoffer. All poleaxes with a "back beak".
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                    18 November 2022 20: 54
                    All poleaxes with a "back beak".

                    Unlike the one-piece forged halberd, the poleaxe often had a "modular" design. That is, it was possible to assemble a "warhead" for a specific enemy.
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                      18 November 2022 21: 06
                      So, are we already talking about a specific enemy, or about a "dog dump"?
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                        18 November 2022 21: 34
                        If within the framework of today's article, then there was a judicial duel with a specific opponent. John Astley was known as an experienced fighter with many victories. Like Dumas - "master of the blade." So, from the height of his experience, he could well prepare an individual "equipment".
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                        18 November 2022 21: 53
                        Excuse me, which Baron Astley are we talking about?
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                        18 November 2022 22: 01
                        For which a book was written, an illustration from which served as the subject of discussion.
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                        18 November 2022 22: 14
                        John Gray Groby, XNUMXth Baron Astley?
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                        18 November 2022 22: 31
                        No, John Astley, nephew of William Astley, 4. Baron Astley.
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                        18 November 2022 23: 23
                        Excuse me, which Baron Astley are we talking about?

                        About Baron Rick Astley, for sure, Knight. laughing

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    18 November 2022 23: 39
    So the hospitable house of the Master is empty...
    The guests dispersed, the candles went out, the Boss went to bed, and I wander alone along the shelves lined with thick folios. And the speeches go on and on in my memories.
    The details are clarified in them, the facts concerning the question raised are clarified, but they did not sound for the sake of what, in fact, such conversations are started - for the sake of a conclusion.
    The capitalist era was already advancing gradually. Entire cascades of windmills were created that could power spinning machines, highly skilled engineers and workers worked, but technologies that could create garments in a factory way had not yet arisen. The era of serious industrial production has not yet arrived. And, perhaps, this was the special archaic charm of that time. Breakthrough times were ahead.
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      19 November 2022 01: 43
      As if this is not a house, but a station or a waiting room, where there is no one, only expectations
      1. +2
        19 November 2022 07: 56
        Quote: Albert Brecht
        As if this is not a house, but a station or a waiting room, where there is no one, only expectations

        Waiting and hoping is the essence of our whole life!
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      19 November 2022 08: 00
      Quote: depressant
      So the hospitable house of the Master is empty...

      Blessed are those who hunger and thirst for righteousness, for they shall be satisfied. Matthew 5:3,4