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Forger Mark Solonin. "On the dangers of cucumbers"

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Forger Mark Solonin. "On the dangers of cucumbers"



Harmfulness of cucumbers


“Practically all people suffering from chronic diseases ate cucumbers. The effect is clearly cumulative.

99,9% of all people who died of cancer ate cucumbers during their lifetime.

100% of all soldiers ate cucumbers.

99,7% of all victims of automobile and aviation disasters, ate cucumbers in the two weeks preceding the fatal accident.

93,1% of all juvenile delinquents come from families where cucumbers were constantly consumed.”

"On the dangers of cucumbers." "Physicists keep joking" - a collection of scientific humor.

This joke study describes the fallacy where you have many arguments, each of which is individually correct, they are different, and the final conclusion is incorrect.

This is because the facts in this article are biased. We have chosen only what confirms our point of view. And the facts themselves are not causally related to the issue under discussion, this is not clear, it needs to be further substantiated. An incorrect conclusion is obtained, despite the fact that there are many arguments, and they are correct.

Simultaneity does not imply causation


If events occur simultaneously, this does not mean that there is a causal relationship between them. This needs to be checked separately. In statistics, this is called "correlation does not imply causation" (from English - correlation is not imply causation)

Example. A group of scientists are investigating the factors that influence the development of lung cancer. Many possible causes are being explored. Age, area of ​​residence, habits. Scientists notice that most people with lung cancer carried a lighter in their pocket. Based on this, a prescription is created - "do not carry a lighter with you, it causes lung cancer."

Even though wearing a lighter, which usually means smoking, often occurs at the same time as developing lung cancer, the lighter does not cause it.
This is another example of a mistake in a highly specialized field. The existence of an error and how to fix it is unknown to most people. It will be hard for them to notice.

In the last article, I talked about the fact that each field of knowledge works with its own type of information. If we use the methods of technical sciences in stories, there are inaccuracies and errors that will not be easy to deal with, and the reader, not the author. With a properly developed starting position, one can quickly and at first glance logically draw false conclusions.

Cognitive distortion Mark Solonin


Returning to Mark Solonin, it should be noted that, of course, not everything with which he confirms his position is facts. He does not make any additional verification of the connection between the facts that he uses and the conclusions. He often simply lists the facts and his arguments. Then there is a pause, and he goes back to the topic as if the conclusion is obvious and already done. It turns out such "in the garden of elderberry, and in Kyiv uncle."

This further complicates criticism. If the causal relationship is not clear, then it needs to be assessed somehow. This estimate will be incorrect because there is no connection, which makes it possible for an effective response.

Criticism of Solonin's work should be based not on checking his research, but on finding facts that he ignored.

For example. Usually, if country A wants to attack country B, then it pulls troops to the border with country B. If we see that country A has pulled troops to the border with country B, this does not mean that A wants to attack B. Although this is possible . To understand whether A is planning an attack on B or not, you need to study all the facts. Some of them can be explained in other ways, some are just a coincidence.

In the case of the beginning of the Great Patriotic War, the book of the Israeli historian Gabriel Gorodetsky "The Myth of the Icebreaker" (1995) describes in detail the reasons why it is impossible to come to the conclusions of Suvorov / Solonin.

You can object by saying: “Well, so be it, but if these facts are connected in an unclear way with the conclusions, then this does not mean that Mark Solonin is wrong. It’s just that he expresses his position in such a way, he’s so used to it, it’s so convenient for him.”

The fact is that this error (correlation is not imply causation) is also a cognitive distortion. Human thinking is imperfect. The brain is constantly optimizing, choosing the easier way, the easier way. In some cases, he uses the wrong tactics and makes mistakes. This is a property of thinking, even if you know about it, you will still be inclined to make this mistake. Therefore, such an argument, when not all the facts are used and it is not shown that they really are relevant to the issue under consideration, is not suitable.

Another cognitive distortion is the "clustering illusion". If you put together, by biased sampling, facts that lead to the same conclusion, then the brain will think that "there is something in it."

Another cognitive bias is the availability heuristic. The easier it is to draw a conclusion, and we have a biased sample, the more reliable it is considered.

Texas sniper's mistake


Another is the "Texas sniper's mistake." We take a fake, select all the facts and some false, but difficult to refute statements that are associated with this fake. All other facts are ignored. We compose a story from them, after reading which, the reader will come to the conclusion (our fake), on the basis of which all these facts were selected.

A large number of cognitive distortions hidden in the text indicate a desire to mislead.

In addition, apparently, there is a provocation to emotions. The reader remembers not only the conclusion, but also the emotion in emotional memory. Therefore, when he sees the opposite point of view on the Internet, he remembers these emotions and begins to criticize it.

And so on…

Conclusion


Can Mark Solonin be called a forger?

As they say, what looks like a duck, swims like a duck, quacks like a duck, is most likely a duck.
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  1. alexandrvvsysop
    alexandrvvsysop 11 November 2022 05: 11
    +9
    What are we talking about? Is this a continuation of some article?
    1. Gardamir
      Gardamir 11 November 2022 06: 20
      +19
      Well, if someone does not develop his own economy, but prefers to invite foreign factories, he keeps the money with partners, no matter how much he calls himself a patriot. he is not a patriot.
      1. Bingo
        Bingo 11 November 2022 06: 27
        -3
        Are you talking about China or about pre-war Japan, for example?
        1. Doccor18
          Doccor18 11 November 2022 13: 59
          +3
          Quote from Bingo
          Are you talking about China

          China does not develop its own economy?
          And who, excuse me, then develops it at all?
          1. Bingo
            Bingo 11 November 2022 14: 14
            -3
            China is developing it in the same way as Russia... If you don't have the technology at home, you have to buy it. And just the same
            Quote: Gardamir
            prefers to invite foreign factories, keeps money with partners

            !!!
            That's exactly how you described it. So choose - either Both China and Russia are NOT developing their economy, see the quote above, or Both China and Russia are developing, namely inviting and storing! What kind of Associate Professor erupted in you - I remember here, I don’t remember here?
            1. Doccor18
              Doccor18 11 November 2022 16: 37
              +2
              Quote from Bingo
              China is developing it in the same way as Russia...

              laughing laughing laughing Thank you for lifting my spirits. I laughed ... They are "developing the economy" one to one ... I don’t even know what else to add.
              Comparing the incomparable.
              Quote from Bingo
              Russia - they develop by inviting and keeping!

              Well, yes, "inviting and keeping" ... Do not remind me with what fountain pens you write, on whose PC you work, but in general, whose production is your house lined with goods by 80-90%? The fact that you believe in a "bright future" is commendable, but it would be nice to be aware of the real and the present ...
              1. Bingo
                Bingo 11 November 2022 16: 53
                -1
                Remind me, on whose energy are these fountain pens and pry-pry-pry produced? China has learned how to build nuclear power plants. or is the Russia-China joint venture something else? Where from the Chinese in the joint venture only take more, throw further? Maybe you can tell me. how did they build aircraft engines for themselves, including the Air Force? And fountain pens are important, yes ... Legkoprom - it is more indispensable than heavy machinery. Tyazhmash - tfu, no one needs it, pens don’t rivet in any way, if they lock it up!
                Comparing the incomparable - this is China depending on the United States and with all the sanctions imposed on China - it cannot twitch anywhere under the threat of losing the market, and their import substitution has just begun. Somewhere I have already heard about such an inspired miracle, it seems in Japan, can you tell me how Japan is, in the lead, or a colony? So we will count fountain pens, but about what they invited and keep - it doesn’t matter anymore?
                So how, after all, "inviting and keeping" is development? Or just for China?
                1. Doccor18
                  Doccor18 11 November 2022 17: 21
                  +3
                  Quote from Bingo
                  Legkoprom - it is more indispensable than heavy machinery. Tyazhmash - tfu, no one needs it,

                  Do you want to talk about heavy machinery? Well then, google about the global machine tool industry, about the place of the PRC and the Russian Federation in it ...
                  Quote from Bingo
                  and their import substitution has just begun

                  When did it start, do you remember?
                  And the results are visible...
                  Chinese auto industry captures the Russian market...
                  Geely is the full owner of Volvo and a major shareholder of Daimler, while the revived British MG with SUVs already on the market is in the hands of another giant Saic...

                  Remind me which of the domestic automakers began international expansion ..?
                  Quote from Bingo
                  So how, after all, "inviting and keeping" is development? Or just for China?

                  "Inviting and keeping" - both there and here, but the results are something very different. And the Union in the 30s invited, and paid, and adopted experience, and then it rushed itself, so much so that the majority of the capitalists shuddered for their future, so it very timely relied on local revisionists and Mensheviks, who eventually destroyed everything. ..
              2. Plover
                Plover 12 November 2022 16: 32
                0
                I wouldn't say "develop". Rather, it creates the conditions for development. They do not have many purely state-owned enterprises. Yes, and those are mostly very independent and work entirely on market conditions. And thanks to the created conditions, the Chinese authorities can formulate a task - to voice it, get five proposals and select performers. But a similar mechanism operates in the United States. Actually, this is the difference from us: the authorities form the environment, the authorities issue a request. We have the same ... Neither an adequate environment, nor any adequate request.
    2. Taimen
      Taimen 11 November 2022 09: 54
      +6
      No, this is a continuation of hanging noodles on your ears. One staver is not enough, so they launched another one. Then someone else will come and so we’ll get to the soup from Doshirak.
    3. Pilat2009
      Pilat2009 12 November 2022 18: 27
      -1
      Quote: aleksandrvvsysop
      What are we talking about? Is this a continuation of some article?

      This is the desperate cry of a patriot
  2. NG inform
    NG inform 11 November 2022 05: 38
    +3
    Cognitive distortions and scientific philosophy need to be worked out and practiced from school.
    Even without being particularly competent in certain topics, it is often possible to determine the falsity of messages relatively easily, just as the author of the article did. If the narrator admits anti-science, emotions and practices manipulation - immediately into the furnace.
    1. Bingo
      Bingo 11 November 2022 06: 37
      -3
      Quote: NG inform
      If the narrator admits anti-science, emotions and practices manipulation - immediately into the furnace.

      Difficult topic. Firstly, we now live in an abundance of information, as Lazarchuk said, "licking the cream off the cakes," about this topic. Therefore, critical thinking atrophies - it's easier not to think about what you read, but to find exactly the source that says what is closer to you or simply more understandable. Such things as "read between the lines" have simply died out, but this is a fact.
      And secondly, with anti-science. Even in quite serious scientific works, this thing is massively used. For example, you know that the harm of the so-called. "passive smoking" is not proven at all? No one, nowhere, and never? Now look how many scientific papers are protected and how many publications are not from bloggers, but from quite serious medical workers about this duck. I am completely silent about genetically modified products
      1. Foul skeptic
        Foul skeptic 11 November 2022 09: 13
        +4
        For example, you know that the harm of the so-called. "passive smoking" is not proven at all? No one, nowhere, and never?

        Tell me what unites Enstrom, Cabot, Gorey, Milloy, Levois and Layard? In addition to their attempts to disavow the results of studies of the effects of passive smoking on human health.
        PS The fact that passive smoking does not affect the body can only be said by an alternatively gifted person, since even outside the context of a long-term effect on a person, irritation of the mucous membranes (nasopharynx and eyes) occurs instantly when third-party "exhausts" are inhaled.
        1. Blacksmith 55
          Blacksmith 55 11 November 2022 09: 43
          +4
          You can respond to the whole article with an anecdote.
          An order came to Chapaev's division.
          Send one person to courses in logical thinking.
          Went naturally Petka.
          Upon arrival, the teacher asks: Who knows what logical thinking is?
          Naturally, no one knew.
          Then he asks Petka:
          Tell me, do you have matches in your pocket?
          There is .
          Then I dare to assume that you smoke. And if you smoke, then you drink, well, if you drink, then you love women, well, if you love women, then you should.
          (I hope everyone understands what I'm talking about)
          Petka, having understood the meaning of thinking, skipped all three months.
          Arriving at the unit, Chapaev asks him:
          Well, tell us what logical thinking is.
          Vasily Ivanovich, tell me, do you have any matches in your pocket?
          Not .
          So you don't have to.

          Now about the article.
          Definitely some kind of rubbish. Probably VO has nothing more to write.
        2. Bingo
          Bingo 11 November 2022 09: 54
          -2
          Quote: Nefarious skeptic
          The fact that passive smoking does not affect the body can only be said by an alternatively gifted

          Are you talking about yourself? Give an example of clinical studies on the harms of passive smoking. You can not? then on what basis are you evaporating here? Tell me about the differences between the dangers of passive smoking and being around a campfire, and now tell me that humanity has degraded by inventing fire.
          Voila - that's what I meant, a classic, just a typical example of anti-science. "Everyone knows" - he has it instead of evidence. Next - the transition to the individual - "I have nothing to confirm, so I will immediately move on to insults"
          By the way, everything is clear with you ...
          That's the point. In order for passive smoking to begin to influence something, you need to smoke so much that we are talking about smoke, and this is another matter. But about passive smoking, the howl is a pillar, but about the harm of, for example, car exhaust ... Go to any covered parking, in a supermarket, for example ... Have you ever been? So why is it not worth yelling about? By the way. I don’t remember cases of deaths from smoking - active or passive, on the spot, but they die from exhausts every year - and a lot of people
          1. Foul skeptic
            Foul skeptic 11 November 2022 10: 28
            +2
            You can not?

            I can. How old are you? Not the first at all, but the first to become widely known as Takeshi Hiroyama's "six prefecture cohort study". It lasted 14 years, from 1966 to 1979 inclusive, the results were published in 1981.
            that humanity has degraded by inventing fire.

            The dumbest manipulation is to try to tie the fact of the invention of something, to the fact of the consequences of this something.
            Tell me about the difference between passive smoking and campfire dangers

            Right from today, you can keep a fire burning in your room with the windows closed. Let me know how you feel in a month.
            You forgot to answer the question:
            Tell me what unites Enstrom, Cabot, Gorey, Milloy, Levois and Layard? In addition to their attempts to disavow the results of studies of the effects of passive smoking on human health.

          2. Foul skeptic
            Foul skeptic 11 November 2022 10: 39
            +1
            But about passive smoking, the howl is a pillar, but about the harm, for example, car exhaust ... So why is it not worth howling about?

            And what, someone considers automobile exhausts not unhealthy?
            The difference is that quitting smoking is easier for humanity than quitting road transport. Since quitting smoking will not make everyday life less convenient, and giving up cars will make it very much less convenient.
            By the way. I don’t remember cases of deaths from smoking - active or passive, on the spot, but they die from exhausts every year - and a lot of people

            AND? Is this evidence that smoking is not harmful?
            1. Bingo
              Bingo 11 November 2022 12: 02
              -1
              It’s a lot for me, but I’ll note to YOU ​​that a policeman standing in the center of Tokyo receives an equivalent of three packs of smoked cigarettes per shift in his lungs for a shift, this is back in the 80s, the Japanese didn’t know how they counted ... However, once again, deaths from exhaust in a closed room happen regularly and studies of the harmfulness of exhaust emissions, if carried out, are little known. With smoking, we have the opposite situation. Have you brought Hiroyama? Not a clinical trial, multifactorial is not screened out. What led to such results from a variety of factors is unknown. For example, the same Japanese proved that active smoking means little in oncology - he quit smoking and in the shortest possible time the oncology goes the same as in the initially non-smoking group, that is, smoking did not cause any effect, it is quite possible to draw a conclusion. that another factor - for example, that they smoked because of the nerves, and "all diseases are from the nerves"
              https://translated.turbopages.org/proxy_u/en-ru.ru.5cf3e6d2-636e0a2e-573d31c0-74722d776562/https/genesenvironment.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s41021-016-0029-9
              Voila.
              Control group, experimental group - go ahead, on the mice! Then there will be a conclusion.
              As for the harmful emissions...
              Yes, I can prove it. If you want - with real corpses, burned out in a closed room with a working internal combustion engine, you want, by analogy with cries about passive smoking. Carcinogens you say? And the most severe carcinogen is a polycyclic, that's just the thesis I wrote on it, personally and with Biotox - 7 I ran through the streets and then laid out air samples into its constituent components ... It turned out that the highest General Chemical Toxicity in the air in the city of polycyclic and gives, and it directly correlates with the intensity of auto-movement at the sampling point. By the way, I took tests of interest for and in smoking rooms, but this is so, for general development ... I didn’t shove them into diplomas.
              It was 20 years ago
              and the rejection of cars is very strong.

              From personal transport? Metro, go ahead - and no more than quitting smoking, and the benefits for trade within the city - without traffic jams - will block any smoking
              1. Foul skeptic
                Foul skeptic 11 November 2022 12: 35
                +1
                Tokyo police officer gets in the lungs for a shift the equivalent of three packs of smoked cigarettes per shift

                Again, an attempt to replace the harm from smoking by comparison with other harmful effects.
                Not a clinical trial

                belay approximation in this case as an argument is strong wassat
                For example, the same Japanese proved that active smoking means little in oncology - he quit smoking and in the shortest possible time oncology goes the same as in the initially non-smoking group, that is, smoking did not cause any effect

                Did you read the article on your link diagonally? Nothing that the fact that the risk decreases after quitting directly shows that smoking affects the likelihood of developing lung cancer (not to mention that you can’t reduce everything to just lung cancer)
                Moreover, right on the link you have written (!!!)
                This means that the effects of smoking per dose are relatively stronger at lower doses, ie, second-hand smoking or light smoking.

                What is "second-hand smoking" need to be explained?
                Control group, experimental group - go ahead, on the mice! Then there will be a conclusion.

                And so it has been done more than once.
                From personal transport? Metro, go ahead - and no more than quitting smoking, and the benefits for trade within the city - without traffic jams - will block any smoking

                You will talk about the metro when it is done in each settlement. Why only private transport? What about buses? Or without them? And the trucks that bring EVERYTHING to the city for life and take out ALL waste? Or without them? On bullock carts? Where can you get so many oxen?
                You forgot to answer the question:
                Tell me what unites Enstrom, Cabot, Gorey, Milloy, Levois and Layard? In addition to their attempts to disavow the results of studies of the effects of passive smoking on human health.
                1. Bingo
                  Bingo 11 November 2022 14: 18
                  -2
                  Quote: Nefarious skeptic
                  Did you read the article on your link diagonally?

                  I brought it to you as an example of ACHINEA. Did you read diagonally what was written to you?
                  Quote: Nefarious skeptic
                  Again, an attempt to replace the harm from smoking by comparison with other harmful effects.

                  Did you read diagonally what was written to you again? First of all, I asked - why is there a hysteria about passive smoking, about the harm of parking lots? Change of topic again?
                  Quote: Nefarious skeptic
                  You will talk about the metro when it is done in each settlement.

                  You will talk about quitting smoking when you equip a smoking room on each floor so that I don’t see nurses from the morgue smoking on the street at -25. In the meantime - drive around by car BY PERSONAL dacha without metro - that's how it is with smoking. Or at least park in your pocket, the logic is the same as with the ban on smoking rooms at football matches, where 90% of smokers
                  1. Foul skeptic
                    Foul skeptic 11 November 2022 14: 49
                    +1
                    I brought it to you as an example of ACHINEA.

                    wassat Well, of course. After you were poked into the fact that you are refuting yourself with this article, it immediately became an "example of nonsense." The article you cited about the study DOES NOT say what YOU said about the study
                    For example, the same Japanese proved that active smoking means little in oncology - quit smoking and in the shortest possible time the oncology goes the same as in the initially non-smoking group, that is, smoking did not cause any effect, it is possible to draw a conclusion.

                    negative
                    First of all, I asked - why is there a hysteria about passive smoking, about the harm of parking lots?

                    Yes. That's what it is
                    changing the topic of conversation.

                    negative
                    You will talk about quitting smoking when you equip a smoking room on each floor so that I don’t see nurses from the morgue smoking on the street at -25

                    As expected - all the "safety" of smoking is based on only one thing - a personal attitude to smoking.
                    You forgot to answer the question (while having the audacity to talk about the same to the interlocutor):
                    Tell me what unites Enstrom, Cabot, Gorey, Milloy, Levois and Layard? In addition to their attempts to disavow the results of studies of the effects of passive smoking on human health.
                    1. Bingo
                      Bingo 11 November 2022 15: 44
                      -1
                      That led to precisely such results from a variety of factors - unknown. For example the same Japanese proved that active smoking means little in oncology - he quit smoking and in the shortest possible time oncology goes the same

                      Quote: Nefarious skeptic
                      After being poked into something

                      Quote from Bingo
                      You again read diagonally what was written to you

                      ... you keep talking nonsense
                      1. Foul skeptic
                        Foul skeptic 11 November 2022 15: 57
                        +1
                        wassat And that is why you have now cut off that part of the message where your conclusion on this article goes, and which does not correspond to the content of the article tongue
                        Can you show me where in the article about "that is, smoking did not cause any effect"?
                        Tell me what unites Enstrom, Cabot, Gorey, Milloy, Levois and Layard? In addition to their attempts to disavow the results of studies of the effects of passive smoking on human health.
                      2. Foul skeptic
                        Foul skeptic 11 November 2022 16: 04
                        +1
                        What led to such results from a variety of factors

                        That is why such examinations are carried out not among dozens of subjects, but among hundreds of thousands. This eliminates the fact that this "multiple factors" will appear simultaneously in all smokers and not in non-smokers.
      2. Doccor18
        Doccor18 11 November 2022 17: 56
        0
        Quote from Bingo
        For example, you know that the harm of the so-called. "passive smoking" is not proven at all? No one, nowhere, and never?

        Well, yes. If one person inhales and exhales something unprofitable, then it is also necessary to prove that the person standing next to him inhales the same "unuseful" ...
        Quote from Bingo
        Therefore, critical thinking atrophies - it's easier not to think

        It's easier not to think about it.
        And so that critical thinking does not atrophy, you cannot take the first for truth, and the second too, and the third ... Read 15 different sources, compare with the reality that surrounds you every day, think, and the truth will slip somewhere nearby ...
  3. fa2998
    fa2998 11 November 2022 06: 00
    -6
    I don’t know Alexander Koshelev, I read it for the first time. But I watch Mark regularly, it’s interesting. Everywhere you need to “turn on” your brains. Mark is an educated person. , put your clips and we'll see hi
    1. bober1982
      bober1982 11 November 2022 07: 42
      +2
      Quote: fa2998
      Mark is an educated person

      You can agree.
      He received his secondary education at school N88 in the city of Kuibyshev (now Samara), in those distant times the school was attached, by Soviet standards, of course, they were called Jewish behind their backs.
      Now times have changed, the era has changed, and once the former Soviet secondary school N88, now it is called the elite gymnasium N2 of Samara.
    2. zenion
      zenion 13 November 2022 18: 24
      +1
      fa2998. "Place your clips" You recalled a joke. One man has a bitch, a shepherd whelped. Such beautiful puppies. In general, a godfather comes to him, looked at the puppies. Kum give me a puppy! Kum answered him - figs to you, not a puppy, did not come to the bitch. That is, he did not make puppies, they will not give him a puppy. Since Alexander did not put his clips on the Internet, he has no right to have his own opinion.
  4. shrimp
    shrimp 11 November 2022 07: 02
    +5
    The fact that mud is poured over our entire memory is not a secret.
  5. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 11 November 2022 07: 13
    +2
    Mark Solonin
    This is the one who himself says the following about his books: "Well, what a hard-working person can master these 500-600 pages in small print, with tables, graphs and maps of past battles." The author, I'm sorry, but I did not understand the essence of your article, perhaps because I did not read the previous ones.
  6. kor1vet1974
    kor1vet1974 11 November 2022 09: 19
    +2
    As they say, what looks like a duck, swims like a duck, quacks like a duck, is most likely a duck.
    So can Mark Solonin be called a forger? Author, you say directly: yes or no ..
  7. Maks1995
    Maks1995 11 November 2022 11: 16
    0
    Yes, the note itself is incomprehensible
  8. solar
    solar 11 November 2022 12: 00
    +1
    Criticism of Solonin's work should be based not on checking his research, but on finding facts that he ignored.

    The reader has been waiting for the entire article for the author to reach these very facts that he requires, but he did not wait.
    Why did you write an article?
    1. zenion
      zenion 13 November 2022 18: 27
      +1
      You do not understand the author. So I read it and immediately realized that I didn’t understand anything, just like the author of the article. He accelerated, wanted to write, but the tobacco in the pipe ran out, everything burned down, like smoke from white cherries.
  9. Lewww
    Lewww 11 November 2022 12: 29
    +1
    The article is somehow castrated, the most important thing is missing - concrete examples, when, according to the author, M. Solonin admits falsifications.
    Although the beginning of the article is undoubtedly sensible, and the features noted by the author can be applied not only to Solonin, but also to other writers who call themselves historians
  10. 2112vda
    2112vda 11 November 2022 16: 31
    +3
    Well, Corned beef and Rezun were given to you. The boys write fantasy on pseudo-historical topics with an admixture of technical terms, well, let them write for themselves. Vacuum cleaners are forced to delve into the corresponding substance, and these paper-scribers give rise to this very substance, in the form of printed publications. Do not read any guano, it is now divorced apparently not visible.
  11. Million
    Million 12 November 2022 08: 31
    +1
    All this is described in detail in textbooks on logic.
    And what is written at the beginning of the article is called sophistry.
  12. Amateur
    Amateur 12 November 2022 13: 53
    0
    Cucumbers are clear. But where does Solonin - no. And in general, Mark Solonin - who is this?
    1. NAF-NAF
      NAF-NAF 13 November 2022 14: 03
      +1
      He is a representative of the Russophobic intelligentsia, a pathological anti-Stalinist; before, he just wrote opuses that obscured Soviet and Russian history, but with the beginning of the SVO he dumped somewhere and is engaged in anti-Russian propaganda (on all sorts of resources).
      One of the analyzes of his @ovno-creativity can be read here:
      https://airpages.ru/dc/ivonin_21.shtml
      1. Amateur
        Amateur 13 November 2022 14: 17
        +1
        Russophobic intelligentsia

        And what happens to the Russophile intelligentsia?
  13. NAF-NAF
    NAF-NAF 13 November 2022 13: 58
    +1
    Dear author, here is one of the analyzes of Solonin's manipulations (on the topic of the history of the Great Patriotic War). What can be said? Cunning, bastard, the brains of readers compost qualitatively. Thematic preparation is required to uncover his manipulations and false conclusions.
    https://airpages.ru/dc/ivonin_21.shtml
    1. Ulan.1812
      Ulan.1812 13 November 2022 20: 22
      +1
      That one ... I don’t know what word to choose so as not to be banned.
      If it is still possible to read it on peacefully sleeping airfields, then the rest ... again, untranslatable local vocabulary.
  14. zenion
    zenion 13 November 2022 18: 10
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    Even more terrifying is that those who consumed cucumbers in the early 19th century died out to one. Together with them, all the dinosaurs died, such a horror from fresh cucumbers, but those that were pickled did not harm so much. All who lived in the seas and oceans remained alive. Then the people realized that it is best to eat vodka with small-holed cucumbers. Those who ate cucumbers incorrectly, incorrectly beat on the eggs from the wrong side, fought among themselves. They can read about the country of Lilliput, there is all the evidence.
  15. Kostadinov
    Kostadinov 17 November 2022 11: 52
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    Solonin has irresolvable contradictions in his main statements.
    For example, the people did not want to fight for the Stalinist regime and surrendered en masse, but the USSR won the war because it left the enemy dead on the battlefield.
    Or the Soviet economy is very bad, but the Wehrmacht destroyed an unprecedented amount of Soviet military equipment because the Soviet commanders fought poorly. You can make up all sorts of explanations for these incompatible statements, but they will always be unconvincing.