The Ukrainian command does not believe in Russia's plans to leave Kherson: "There are up to 50 Russian soldiers there"

Currently, there are from 30 to 50 Russian soldiers in Kherson and its environs. They are not going to back down. This was stated by the representative of the Main Intelligence Directorate of the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine Vadym Skibitsky in an interview with the Italian edition of La Repubblica.

The representative of the Ukrainian military intelligence believes that the Russian authorities began the evacuation of the civilian population in order to facilitate the conduct of hostilities. Also, the Russian command allegedly has reason to suspect local residents of informing Ukrainian intelligence officers, and their evacuation will block information flows.

Meanwhile, today Ukrainian sources reported about the blowing up of bridges across the Dnieper in the Kherson region. This information immediately led to the spread of rumors that the Russian army was retreating to the left bank of the Dnieper and leaving the regional center. Certain grounds for such rumors, it must be said, are present.

Firstly, for several weeks the authorities took documents from administrative institutions, valuable property and even monuments out of the city.

Secondly, the administration of the Kherson region moved to the left bank of the Dnieper, and the Russian flag disappeared from its building a few days ago.

Thirdly, the evacuation of the civilian population also speaks volumes, and it is possible that it is not a matter of fears regarding the undermining of the dam of the Kakhovskaya hydroelectric power station.

Tonight, the authorities are expected to speak about the situation in Kherson. It is still too early to draw conclusions, let's wait what the authorities will say if the speech really takes place.

According to the Ukrainian blogger Shariy, who is in Spain, Kyiv announced the "cunning plan of Russia" and that the plan was "revealed." But now, as he says, the plan turns out to be so cunning that even those who "revealed" it are perplexed about what is happening.

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[Collins]

Some kind of vacuum hyper-fool around this Kherson is happening

[GELEZNII_KAPUT]

Quote from Kolins.

Some kind of vacuum hyper-fool around this Kherson is happening

in general, some kind of crap is happening, in a cart, in general, everyone arrives in despondency around Kherson ...

[Asad]

Stremousov mysteriously died in an accident, Zakharova asked for negotiations in the conditions of the latest realities! Damn so many people died!

[Gvardeetz77]

Damn so many people died!

It’s not a “damn”, here a completely different thing comes to mind, such that the boatswain on a sailboat would curl up his ears from what he heard ...

[ramzay21]

Judging by reports from Kherson, our troops really leave it, take down flags and blow up bridges. It always happens when a country is run by a traitor and a coward. The betrayal was when in 2008 our army defeated the army of Georgia and received an order not to take Tbilisi, when the Armed Forces of Ukraine were defeated in 2014 and the guarantor signed the Minsk agreements, this happened after the start of the NMD, when he was eager for negotiations and ordered to leave the Kyiv region, Chernihiv region and Sumy region. Then there was a regrouping in the Kharkiv region, now it will be Kherson. He will give the Zaporozhye region, the DPR and the LPR and then the Crimea, it's a matter of time, do not hesitate. But the main thing is that you don’t rock the yacht, otherwise it will rock him.

[Commissar77]

It seems that the death of Stremousov is the official message from the Russian side about the future of Kherson. Such a kind invitation to talk. As we can, so we invite.

[matsur]

Quote: Military Commissar77

It seems that the death of Stremousov is the official message of the Russian side about the future of Kherson.

Conspiracy version: Stremousov was against such a surrender and he was "arranged" for an accident. Why not? A very mysterious death.

[ramzay21]

Conspiracy version: Stremousov was against such a surrender and he was "arranged" for an accident. Why not? A very mysterious death.

He is not alone. Zakharchenko was killed, Motorola was killed, Givi was killed by Mozgovoy. And it was definitely not the Ukrainians who did it, because even the Mossad could not have done this. They were killed because they were the leaders of the combat units and after they were betrayed, they became a threat to our power.

[Klaus8691]

Well, that's all ... Ordered to retreat ...

[Vovk]

How so?

Reports about the alleged surrender of the Kherson region are stuffed by the Kyiv regime - the authorities of the region October 26, 2022

https://topwar.ru/204012-soobschenija-o-jakoby-sdache-hersonskoj-oblasti-javljajutsja-vbrosami-kievskogo-rezhima-vlasti-regiona.html#

Recently, a lot of messages have appeared on the Web about the decision allegedly made by the Russian command to surrender the Kherson region and withdraw troops to the left bank of the Dnieper.

Quote: Vovk

Wait and see. Human "telegraph" works better than propaganda in any country.

And why did they give me a minus?

[bulgaria_]

I almost agree. While this dam hangs around the neck, neither the Armed Forces of Ukraine nor the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation can do anything. I think while your troops are on the left bank, the APU will not come up because of the dam. The resource will be freed up for the capture of Avdiivka and Bakhmut. But ... while there is still air defense, it is impossible for you to suppress the redeployment and the Armed Forces of Ukraine. In chess, this is a stalemate position. It is necessary to overpower the bombing of cities and infrastructure. And if you don't, that's a clear sign that tech warfare is too tough for you. I'm not spiteful, I just drink to reason soberly. You are now working for China. He needs 5-10 years so that no one else bothers him.

[Pastor]

The resource will now be released from the APU. And they will pick us from the high bank. There are just really no words.

[Dimcor]

Who is talking about what and the hahly all about the Crimea mriyut, your mriya has burned down for a long time, wake up, winter is on the nose, go chop firewood, the potbelly stove will not heat itself.

[Vitaly161]

I already deleted all these channels in the cart, it’s better to find out the news as it should be when the events happened, and not look at all these fortune-telling on the coffee grounds, because these channels are in a fever, for a month they sang sho hikhlam kapets, and the client is gone

[dmi.pris1]

Yurik (podolyuki, you can’t say otherwise) had links to the Empire telegram channels, etc. I signed up. Now I’m unsubscribing from them for spreading panic.

[Vitaly161]

from what I see today, while I left 2 channels, Podolyaki and Khodakovsky, in fact they are one of the few who are not afraid to call a spade a spade (although Podolyaka is more optimistic than necessary)

[Sebostyuan]

Anna-news, Spetsnaz Archangels, Turned in War, Rybar. Here are the tg-channels from which I draw information.

[Dimcor]

The optimism is understandable - in any case, hahlam is a bummer, they have had one continuous kapets there for a long time, I don’t understand at all whether the Ukrainians are hoping for anything, now the only hope of the Ukrainians is to be able to plunder more incoming aid and manage to get out of Ukraine. In fact, the Ukrainian army has already been defeated, now it is closer to armed gangs like those in Syria - the main forces of all are armored vehicles and infantry. But Podolyaka lives in the past, he has all the general offensives continuous, and other dregs, and yes, I watched him for some time in the first months.

[Jackson]

On the one hand, yes, they cause a lot of turbidity .... But on the other hand .... Of the official ones, there are only horses with their daily victories and Vova and Dima with red lines and acts of goodwill ....

[Vitaly161]

well, find a channel where only objective confirmed data is published, save your nerves, we (those who did not go to the front) still need to raise the country from its knees

[Piramidon]

Quote: Vitaliy161

well, find a channel where only objective confirmed data is published

The internet is filled to the brim with lies. Even seemingly reliable channels get a lot of fakes. Very competent specialists work at TsIPSO

[Vitaly161]

so I’m talking about this, that you need to understand where the game is published, where the norms are infa (and I don’t take that on faith), especially maps drawn in paint that have nothing to do with reality

[neri73-r]

Quote: Vitaliy161

well, find a channel where only objective confirmed data is published, save your nerves, we (those who did not go to the front) still need to raise the country from its knees

Channel of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation, though a little late!

[Vitaly161]

I appreciated the joke, it's good that at least someone still has a sense of humor

[Two diplomas]

Everything is normal there, soon we will listen to the colonel-general instead of morning coffee. Although no, at such a pace soon Lyusya Arestovich will entertain Russian serfs early in the morning.

[Dimcor]

In general, I don’t even remember Konashenkov’s victories, but he basically has solid dry statistics. Missiles - so many and so many shot down, so many sorties, very useful information to track the intensity of the battles. In September, quite active actions were carried out, something was constantly happening, now it looks more like the ASU are becoming an endangered species, mercenaries began to appear more often, less heavy equipment is mentioned. I'm sure that those who criticize him themselves read his reports - it's interesting and informative.

[ramzay21]

Of course, you can fence yourself off from reality, but reality will still come to you. The fact that Kherson was being surrendered became clear when the monuments were removed and the remains of Potemkin were taken out, the rest is a matter of time. But since they started blowing up bridges and taking down flags, that's all.

[Klaus8691]

Yes, everything is already ... We are leaving ... But not like in that song ...

[Vitaly161]

you don’t fence yourself off from it, however, you can filter incoming information, and you need to, otherwise you can start moving with your mind

[bulgaria_]

Putin started this war in a panic. I think at the last moment he found out that the Armed Forces of Ukraine were preparing a capture (well, if this document about March 8 is valid). If you have time in the military production relation, then there will be no problems). Only ... I'm already tired of believing in it. It is necessary to immediately send half a thousand caliber and a dagger along the infrastructure and not immediately invade from 64 km of columns. Demonstrating something is always expensive.

[single-n]

You just need to be able and have something to demonstrate. And this bunker seems to have been given a set of crayons, so he draws all sorts of lines.

[Dimcor]

Russia has a better chance of taking Washington than Ukraine has Crimea. You yourself know this.

[Shket53]

"Now Kherson.
Zaporozhye, Donbass and Crimea, he will also surrender, you can not even doubt it.
Now he is saving his own skin and he is ready to betray everything and everyone. I have no illusions about this. ".... You should go to seers Vasya, and all sorts of Messings there, and you wipe your pants here ... you Vasya take care of your fingers, otherwise you will beat them off about the clave, more .... and this is "Vasya" .. .do not disgrace the Naval Flag of the USSR .... change your avatar immediately to yellow-black

[Two diplomas]

I unsubscribed from all the carts just in case, otherwise they will be banned everywhere. Sore.

[stelltok]

Some kind of vacuum hyper-durka around

Fog. Fog and more fog.
Nobody talks about their moves in Chess.
And there is another thing called disinformation.

[skeptick2]

You just have to wait (and what remains?).
And not words, but events. Only they will explain everything.
So far, a version of some kind of exchange like "Kherson for you, and everything else for us" is flashing in the media. Already announced by Russian, of course.
For now, this is just a version. Or just throw. Or even disinformation of the purest water (I wonder whose?).
But in general, some facts in the article make you think at least.
Let's wait. Right now there is no reason for either despondency or optimism.

[stelltok]

You just have to wait (and what remains?).
And not words, but events. Only they will explain everything.

Right. The dust needs to settle. Then everything will be clear.
When this happens, as a rule, everything clears up within 1-2 weeks.
Bloggers hype for their audience nothing more.

[Alexander Salenko]

Everything, damn it, leaked Kherson, cheers for Putin!!! Damn survived.

[storm]

So far, a version of some kind of exchange like "Kherson for you, and everything else for us" is flashing in the media. Already announced by Russian, of course.

This is the only reasonable explanation for what is happening, which is still left to believe, but there is absolutely no faith that the dill will fulfill their promises of faith ...
I hope the containers with nuclear waste from the Zaporizhzhya NPP guessed to take out.

[Klaus8691]

I would like to believe that misinformation .... But it will be very (I don’t even know how to say it) sad if they still surrender the Russian city according to the results of the referendum. Some kind of SVO is not the same as its name.

[Vitaly161]

there is an objective opinion (not my opinion) that due to problems with the supply of BC, we cannot keep a large grouping, and not a large one will be unwound twice, so as not to destroy the guys without BC, and they go beyond the Dnieper, but the question is how many questions guys with BC will then lie down when forcing the Dnieper .... however, Kom SVO knows better what and how, I don’t have all the information in order to comment on such decisions

[Angry orc]

I hope that this is a plan to lure the ukrov in order to flood them with water behind the dam or this is a real betrayal

[opuonmed]

Anatoly Shary
Kharkiv deja vu - in Snigirevka at the railway station the flag of Ukraine was raised, Kalinovskoe under the Armed Forces of Ukraine

[jovanni]

Quote from Kolins.

Some kind of vacuum hyper-fool around this Kherson is happening

The vacuum is over. Rent the right bank. Now the report was shown to Surovikin's camera. The main thing now is to protect l / s they say. Fuck then it was to climb! So General Armageddon justifies the hysteria. Yes, unfortunately not in that direction ...

[Arkady007]

Super chess game.
Honestly, two months ago I did not understand how our people were going to hold Kherson in winter, with the destruction of all bridges. It was easier for us to take Nikolaev and then the whole Dnieper would be ours.
Now I don't understand why we're leaving.
Of course, they have more information there, but it is morally difficult to explain why 15 thousand of our soldiers died near Kyiv, Kharkov, Izyum ... For what?
Who is to blame for such miscalculations, Shoigu or Putin, or Chubais and Abramovich?
Why is Surovikin making the report and not Shoigu? Why does Shoigu make the decision, not Putin?
Who will be responsible for the consequences if the third option is followed now?

[bayard]

Quote: Arkady007

Why is Surovikin making the report and not Shoigu? Why does Shoigu make the decision, not Putin?

Because the Grandmaster from the very beginning (after "I'll show you") abstained from his duties as the Supreme Command.
In writing.
In a written response to the Union of Officers. Even in the spring. The pier is not within my competence, Shoyga is responsible for everything.
And how many more wonderful events is the Spirit preparing for us to betray?

[Laundryman]

Of course he doesn't believe. The AFRF is doing some kind of crap and now analysts in the Ukrainian General Staff are racking their brains: “What the hell are the Russians blowing up bridges in their rear, what’s the catch? What are they up to?

[Aaron Zawi]

Quote from Lavander

Of course he doesn't believe. The AFRF is doing some kind of crap and now analysts in the Ukrainian General Staff are racking their brains: “What the hell are the Russians blowing up bridges in their rear, what’s the catch? What are they up to?

In general, the larger the grouping of troops, the more funds are needed to supply it.

[Laundryman]

Well, it's kind of obvious. Why increase the grouping if you can’t properly supply it? So it needs to be reduced. And if you reduce it, then nothing will prevent the Ukrainians from accumulating more forces than the Russians can provide on that sector of the front. Dilemma, in general.

[Garris199]

I think that the variant of the frontier along the Dnieper will be chosen. Fighting on the bridgehead is fraught with the loss of a large group, which is needed for the defense of Crimea. Just wondering what's next? It will be very difficult to recapture Kherson later.

[Laundryman]

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Quote: Garris199

the loss of a large group, which is needed for the defense of the Crimea

*sad heh*, in the eighth month of the NWO, we are discussing the need to preserve the group, so that there would be someone to defend the Crimea ...

[Aaron Zawi]

Quote from Lavander

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Quote: Garris199

the loss of a large group, which is needed for the defense of the Crimea

*sad heh*, in the eighth month of the NWO, we are discussing the need to preserve the group, so that there would be someone to defend the Crimea ...

This indicates a serious underestimation by your military analysts of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and the readiness of the West to provide serious military assistance.

[Laundryman]

To be honest, I don't have military analysts. Not even ordinary

At the same time, I am more than sure that the analysts did and assessed everything correctly, only the head of the analytical department, as soon as he saw the conclusions, ordered to immediately redo it. And in the end, a folder with correct and bravura reports landed on Putin’s table that the army is strong and ready, Ukrainians are groaning under the Bandera regime, and the Armed Forces of Ukraine are waiting for a whistle to deploy weapons against the National Battalions.

[Klaus8691]

Shouted women "Hurrah!" and they threw caps into the air ... Apparently they painted such a picture for themselves ...

[nickname7]

the head of the analytical department, as soon as he saw the conclusions, he ordered to immediately redo it. And in the end, a daddy with correct and bravura reports lay on the table for Putin

Do you also want to find whisperers and bad boyars? Do you think your subordinates deliberately misinform their boss?
The president is responsible for everything, including the fact that his subordinate rivets misinformation. For this, the president himself needs to be impeached as inappropriate for his position.

[forty-eighth]

Quote: Aaron Zawi

This indicates a serious underestimation by your military analysts of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and the readiness of the West to provide serious military assistance.

I think everything is much simpler and we should talk about banal incompetence. Arranging blitzkrieg rides ala "World War II" at the first stage and lunar landscapes ala "World War I" at the second - in the 21st century, by definition, cannot end in anything good.

[nickname7]

This indicates a serious underestimation by your military analysts of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and the readiness of the West to provide serious military assistance.

What makes you think that analytics is automatically executed?
Analytics is just a report, and the decision is made by the guarantor, but who may have other reasons, for example, he may think that mobilization will create a lot of managerial problems, you will have to sleep for 4 hours, why should the guarantor personally strain you, they say, and so it will do. Such a voluntaristic decision, and he throws the analytics into the wastebasket.

[Klaus8691]

Yes, there are simply no words ... Everything that was taken without a fight, we give up with losses. How so?!

[Stas157]

Quote from Lavander

*sad heh*, in the eighth month of CBO we are discussing the need to preserve the grouping

On the ninth already. Time flies. And the further, the worse!

[Woodman]

Quote: Stas157

On the ninth already. Time flies

It’s just that a new version from the printing house has not yet been delivered. And in the old one it says "on the eighth" - it means on the eighth.

[Garris199]

Alas and ah. If it were not for the stamina and courage of our soldiers, it would be even sadder with such and such command, intelligence and support.

[donavi49]

1) This is not only a blow to the morale of the troops and society, but also a bunch of different arguments on the ground, for example, the arrivals of Himarsami to the Crimea, from Kakhovka to the key logistics hub of the southern group of Armyansk 75 km. Well, I am silent about the fact that the water in the Crimea will be blocked.

2) The boundary along the Dnieper works in both directions. The Armed Forces of Ukraine will be able to remove 3-4 brigades, and with solid combat experience, the same 60 OPBRs, started with cropped homeless people on Bogdans and Kamaz trucks of the national economy, and now, in fact, an oversized motor-mechanical brigade on BMP / M113 / VABakh with tanks. Taking into account the fact that they will choose the direction of the main attack (initiative), these 3-4 brigades can be used more effectively in the wooded areas of the Luhansk region or the urban-hilly Zaporozhye.

[Nastia makarova]

the water will not shut off. lock on the left bank

[donavi49]

But, if the level is lowered (not to be confused with undermining / breaking through the dam), then the water will be blocked and the nuclear power plant will remain for cooling.

[Nastia makarova]

perhaps if you let go of everything Kakhovka

[GELEZNII_KAPUT]

Quote from Lavander

Of course he doesn't believe. The AFRF is doing some kind of crap and now analysts in the Ukrainian General Staff are racking their brains: “What the hell are the Russians blowing up bridges in their rear, what’s the catch? What are they up to?

[Dimcor]

Distrust of the VSU is understandable, for me, in general, VSU is already becoming an endangered species, more often mercenaries began to flicker, and the Russian group involved in the NWO is becoming more and more. Personally, I’m more interested in what scenario they will follow, they will continue to throw bombs at everything, or they will still go on the attack, it’s just that without large-scale attacks, then it’s not clear why they are gathering so many forces. There, in my opinion, they have already dragged so much strength and equipment that there will be enough for 2-3 Ukraine.

[Entropy]

The Russian media and military correspondents say that they all leave and surrender, and the Ukrainian ones that the RF Armed Forces do not go anywhere and keep everyone, well, fool

[Plate]

You should have seen this in WWII.
"Today the Red Army is leaving Stalingrad," Levitan reports on the radio.
"Today the Red Army continues to repel our attacks near Stalingrad," Goebbels answers him.
I do not compare Kherson with Stalingrad and so on. Just really stupid.

[Stas157]

Quote: Plate

You should have seen this in WWII.
"Today the Red Army leaves Stalingrad"

In view of the "complexity" of supplying the garrison across the Volga!!

All this crap with the voluntary abandonment of Kherson looks like an agreement. So Masha began to rant about peace negotiations.

[Plate]

Quote: Stas157

In view of the "complexity" of supplying the garrison across the Volga!!

Yes, I did not draw an analogy with that. I won’t judge where it’s easy to supply and where it’s hard in the context of a real war, because I don’t understand.

Quote: Stas157

All this crap with the voluntary abandonment of Kherson

So far, no one has left Kherson voluntarily. I think it's too early to raise a howl.

Quote: Stas157

So Masha began to rant about peace negotiations.

The entire leadership calls for negotiations all the time.

[Evgeny Ivanov_5]

It’s just that our people need a reason to drape, but the Ukrainians don’t give it in any way and don’t actively attack. And so the situation turned out to be suspended.

[Stas157]

Quote: Evgeny Ivanov_5

It’s just that our people need a reason to drape, but the Ukrainians don’t give it in any way and don’t actively attack. And so the situation turned out to be suspended.

The most accurate description of the situation. At least everything points to it.

[Plate]

No, the description is inaccurate. They leave for no reason.

[Thrifty]

We ourselves somehow do not want to believe that the Russian city of Kherson will surrender our power, but all these rumors and actions, especially the undermining of bridges in our rear, suggest negative thoughts. They could also defend Kharkov, many settlements recaptured with difficulty, but they surrendered without turning them into fortified areas. I'm afraid that Kherson is also destined to become a victim of a gesture of goodwill and a cunning plan of the President of Russia ...

[neworange88]

a gesture of goodwill and a cunning plan by the President of Russia...

At this rate, you can turn into Milosevic or Gaddafi and not even have time to look back. Some crazy steps. I hope that this is not true.

[Evgeny Ivanov_5]

Rather, in Nicholas II or Caesar. Who will be Brutus?

[neworange88]

There are such opinions. It seems that the moment of truth has come. To find out who is who.

US insists Sullivan warned Zelensky not to try to back out of Washington's offers. If the Office of the President refuses to negotiate with the Kremlin, then they will arrest Kirill Timoshenko (deputy head of the presidential administration of Ukraine, on which most financial schemes close), and all schemes for withdrawing funds from the Big Construction Site and Western loans during the war will become public .....
As a result of this pressure, Zelensky's rhetoric has changed slightly. In his address yesterday, he said:
- Instead of "1991 borders" - "respect for the UN Charter" (in this case, it is understood - the cancellation of the results of all referendums)
- Instead of "reparations" - "compensation"
- Instead of "security guarantees" - "guarantees that this will not happen again." Ukrainian TG expect a massive "lightning offensive" in the Kherson direction within a week. The West convinced Zelensky that the Russians would surrender this section of the front. The Americans promise the Russians that if Kherson is surrendered (the Armed Forces of Ukraine recapture it), then they promise to support the negotiation process on the Ukrainian crisis.

Sullivan proposed (and he didn’t do it from scratch, negotiations with the Russian side have been ongoing for a month already) to Zelensky a formula for negotiations with the Kremlin, which should become the basis of the new Minsk/Istanbul/Riyadh-3. According to preliminary agreements, Ukraine withdraws Kherson, and the front is established along the Dnieper and further frozen along the line of contact in the Zaporozhye / Donetsk and Luhansk regions. Ukraine receives electricity from the Zaporizhzhya nuclear power plant, and its critical infrastructure is no longer fired by rockets. The West is providing a $50 billion loan and some of Russia's frozen/confiscated assets to rebuild Ukraine. Separately, Kyiv receives modern air defense systems and artillery installations / tanks.

Military correspondents from the field report that Kherson, yes, is ready for defense, several defensive lines have been created (although a lot of equipment has been taken back to the left bank) and we will definitely defend the city by MILITARY. The evacuation of the city's residents to the other side has been completed. True, the military correspondents, the same Vladlen Tatarsky, separately make a reservation that to defend - this applies to the military component, but does not apply to the situation with the political surrender of the city. So. If Kherson is NOT surrendered for political reasons, then Putin is the THAT leader of the country that she needs. Personally, I can not support the GDP only in one case. If Putin is NOT ENOUGH Putin.

https://chervonec-001.livejournal.com/4308065.html

[Plate]

Quote: Thrifty

but they surrendered without turning them into fortified areas.

But in Kherson, there was news about the preparation of fortifications at least a couple of weeks ago.

[BMP-2]

There was also “news” about Balakleya and Izyum that no one was going to hand them over ...

[Evgeny Ivanov_5]

It was a tricky move for Ukrainians to divorce. In addition, now you can talk to the plebeians about the power of the Ukrainian army, which broke through our Maginot Line, like an old rag.

[nikolas 83]

A gesture of goodwill in the hope that the Republicans will be more loyal and willing to negotiate.

[Zefr]

The more we give, the more we will be tormented. What makes them think that we will be "forgiven"? What kind of faith in the decency of the West? What's going on up there?
The feeling that Putin's dream is just to sit, sell oil, and that nothing happens anywhere. I don’t know why they got the idea that he is a “chess player”, he just sits in any incomprehensible situation. The external situation develops by itself. "European sanctions have destroyed Europe! Putin is a genius!" And the genius at that time was sitting for several years and just stupidly trying to sell something to someone, from what else is for sale. Where is Skolkovo? Where is Rosnano? Where is Roscosmos? Where, God forgive me, is "import substitution"? Where are the helmets for the soldiers?

[Woodman]

Quote: Thrifty

Could defend Kharkov

In order to be able to defend it, it had to be taken first. Or is there something I don't know?

[voyaka uh]

https://m.lenta.ru/news/2022/11/09/levyy_bereg/

Lenta.ru reports that the troops are being withdrawn to the left bank.

"The commander of the united group of Russian troops, Sergei Surovikin, called the head of the Ministry of Defense, Sergei Shoigu, the time frame for the withdrawal of Russian troops to the prepared defensive lines on the left bank of the Dnieper. According to him, the maneuver will be carried out in the near future."

[Wladimir134]

He promised not to write again. But I can't watch this crap. From Kherson to the Crimea 80 km. Any RSZO will get it. And Kherson will be handed over to the seoree. The deal says. !!! It's shaking. I have seen such grandmasters at the expense of people's blood in one place. The rest of the mother.......

[nikolas 83]

Zakharova is already trying to say that we are ready for negotiations. And then the surrender of Energodar? Kakhovskaya hydroelectric power station? And then we will begin to evacuate Crimea. There are simply no words.

[Klaus8691]

Yes, not only you are shaking and the mat is rushing out ... How is that ?! And what the hell was it to start with?! It becomes clear that ordinary people are just consumables ...

[Bomb]

The dream turned out to be bad .... where is the great power of the Russian army?

[Kronos]

At parades and shows for foreign guests.

[SaLaR]

The power of the Soviet Army made it possible to raise the Banner of Victory over the Reichstag... And the army of oligarchs cannot even protect Kherson... Well, are we waiting for a new referendum on the return of Kherson back to Ukraine?

[Alexander 3]

The residents were taken out because of the threat of undermining the Kakhovka dam. That's right. There is no need to risk the lives of residents and the military.

[invisible_man]

The Soviet army at the most critical moment was supported by the United States, with Lend-Lease supplies. Yes, in percentage terms, their help looks insignificant, but these were the most important resources, without which the USSR could easily collapse.

Now, unfortunately, the same thing is happening in Ukraine.

[nikolas 83]

They will take Kherson themselves with such power and command from us.

[Deon59]

There was the Russian army, then the Red and Soviet, and now the Russian, do not confuse. If sheep are in command, and goats are in charge ... then excuse me, whatever you want.

[Mint Gingerbread]

Ukrainians are bred like suckers, which time. Well, they don't have a choice anyway. Whether it was a coincidence or a plan, it really doesn't matter. Let's see.

[Andrei Nikolaevich]

Ukrainian "heroism" disappeared along with electricity. We started thinking with our heads. I should have thought earlier, in 2014.

[Father of papa carlo]

The fog of war completely covered Kherson ... There, in my opinion, it’s not fog, but a complete vacuum !!!

[komvap]

There is no such drain on which the Kremlin anti-Russian noviops would not go.

[Dartanian]

Does anyone believe in the plans of our MO? This is already some kind of anecdote: now Ukrainians don’t believe our MO :))) from Alpha Centauri, they probably still believe

[Hanurik]

Need traitors and obedient sheep to the slaughter? Mobilized what do you say? What did they die for?

[Woodman]

Quote: Hanurik

Need traitors and obedient sheep to the slaughter? Mobilized what do you say?

And with whom did you compare the mobilized people? With sheep?

[Hanurik]

Read books, like the bible. The Old Testament is very interesting, the New Testament is not for everybody.

[Woodman]

Quote: Hanurik

Read books like the bible

Guess I read it. Only I didn’t ask for advice on what to read, but I asked a very specific question.

[Hanurik]

Bourgeois - enemies. Any. And if in the face of the Western bourgeoisie you ran to lick the Russian bourgeoisie, then you are no different from liberoids.

[Russian Patriot]

Come on, drop it. If Prigozhin, Strelkov and Milchakov return alive from the SVO. They will kick the old and arrogant liars out of the Kremlin.
"We will destroy the old world
To the ground, and then
We will build a new world."
The time of this Russia has passed.

[Hanurik]

All the citizens you listed are no different from those in power. And the red commanders were cleared in advance.

[Laundryman]

Milchakov from DRG Rusich? This is the one who cut puppies and an open, real fascist?

[Sergo S]

You are not afraid that tomorrow they will come and ask: who did you want to throw out there?

[Born]

Yes, we ourselves are in a ... e. It is hard to believe in this, especially after the referendums.

[HAM]

The plan is so cunning that the most cunning of the cunning hope to outwit the cunning ... (this is about all kinds of media) ... and bloggers ...
Shoigu met with Surovikin for a reason.
Time will put everything in its place ...... so we're not in a hurry, and we don't raise a panic, and we don't beat the timpani ...

[CombatSnail]

Well, at least one sensible statement for today

[Sandor Clegane]

How many stuffing and panic in the cart, even here the hype has already begun, I am personally sure that Kherson will not be handed over to anyone or there will be no "agreement", period.

[maiman61]

If General Armageddon came up with some kind of trick - a mocus for Bandera, then his authority will go off scale! Tired of this many months of marking time.

[Evgeny Ivanov_5]

Yeah. In the first Chechen war, our rulers also put the militants to a standstill with their giveaways. Those periodically just fucked up and did not want to believe in their happiness.

[navigator777]

Everything is very simple, all this talk about the difficult decisions of leaving Kherson was needed to sow confidence that Kherson would be surrendered, just like Serpentine. This was necessary to strengthen the defense and pull up reserves. And the civilians were evicted so that they would not also need to be supplied from temporary ranton crossings. Understandably, the Khokhls were waiting for a denouement and cherished their forces without undertaking offensives so far.

[Kronos]

So they are advancing today, broke through the positions and entrenched themselves in Snegirovka.

[Chronos]

Quote: Kronos

So they are advancing today, broke through the positions and entrenched themselves in Snegirovka.

And why not attack, if there is a withdrawal of our troops?

[Kronos]

What I mean is that the stories of how they hold the defense and smash the legions of the enemy are banal lies.

[Chronos]

Quote: Kronos

What I mean is that the stories of how they hold the defense and smash the legions of the enemy are banal lies.

The defense withstood and the front was not broken anywhere. The fighters on the right bank are heroes and there is no need to belittle their feat.

[Russian Patriot]

Today or tomorrow there will be Surovikin's statement about the surrender of Kherson.
Here is the SVO. Puppetry, stupidity and betrayal.
As if by a time machine we were transferred to 1904 to the Far East. Again, we are shamefully losing the war to a weak enemy, but who is helped by the West. Again our fleet showed miracles of insanity. Again the ground army retreats without a fight.

[Eva Star]

Near Kherson, the armed forces of Ukraine suffered the heaviest losses, there is an open field and it is very difficult to attack on it. We will surrender Kherson, we will lose the war.

[opuonmed]

Yes, we are already renting Kherson
About leaving Kherson

Yesterday we were not told everything about the meeting between Shoigu and Surovikin. This is reported by sources of the @wargonzo project, who are familiar with the content of the agenda.

Based on the results of the consultations, we will most likely be informed in the near future of the very difficult decisions on Kherson that were announced a few weeks ago. Apparently, we will leave the city - no matter how painful it is to write about it now. The motives are as follows. In simple terms, Kherson cannot be held with bare hands. You can send mobilizers there echelon after echelon, but the problem of the same shell hunger cannot be solved by this (whereas the entire NATO bloc, including "neutral" Turkey, lowered Europe and, of course, Foggy Albion along with America) is actively helping the enemy with this issue. And not a single sane commander is ready to blindly plug holes in the supply of Russian peasants with bodies. In order to continue combat operations adequate to the current challenges in this direction, it is necessary, first of all, to reach the barrier line. That's what the military thinks. I think they have reason to think so, and it is unlikely that their assessments are motivated by the desire to hang new medals and stars on their uniforms. For leaving the cities - orders are not given. Surovikin is well aware of this and his assessments are hardly dictated by vanity or incompetence. He got the inheritance that he got. Nobody had any illusions. The miracle didn't happen. As for political risks, it is not for him to assess them, and I am sure that this time the information on Kherson was received by the decision-making center without distortion. At least as far as the military component is concerned. Did we have a choice? I'm afraid we didn't leave it to ourselves. Largely because of the logic in which they fought all the previous months. We must have the courage and courage to recognize this and rebuild. Together with the military-industrial complex, restore the combat capability of the army, build up forces and resources. And, of course, to punish those who are guilty of their current deficit. Understand where direct betrayal took place. And where is the criminal negligence. The operational pause, which, of course, will occur sooner or later, will need to be used as efficiently as possible. Yes, this is a black page in the history of the Russian Army. Russian State. tragic page. But in many ways, it will depend on you and me with what and how we will start the next one.

@wargonzo

[Born]

Most of all, in such statements, "pleasant" are all these promises of future victories, the search for some kind of traitors. Everything is obvious - no one was ready for such a war and such resistance, they counted on surrender and blitzkrieg, hence all these endless calls for negotiations from the very beginning of the NWO.
Although the surrender of the city is still unbelievable.

[fax66]

It is very beautiful, courageous and there is a share of optimism .. but can you at least explain something to the people? Not to show "secret cards", but to say: so and so ... this is the truth ...
After all, our people are not completely neurasthenic, they will not panic and will not arrange revolutions ...
What can I say ... The trouble is that the President himself does not believe in his people .... his sanity and patriotism ...

[opuonmed]

Why do we not know anything about Putin's daughters? in other countries everyone knows about the children, etc., etc. of the President!

[Russian Patriot]

Well, that's all, comrade.
It's time to throw St. Petersburg garbage out of the Kremlin.

[Gankutsu_]

Too much alarmism, without any information.
As a person who is more sympathetic to the Ukrainian side, I am sure that no one will surrender Kherson.

[Chronos]

By Kherson. In general, everything was clear and decided a long time ago, here they are "difficult decisions". With the negative, everything is clear, a lot has been said and written, there is no point in repeating. What can be said?
1. Whoever says what, but the Kremlin treats the new subjects of the Russian Federation not as a full-fledged Russian territory, but as a kind of buffer in front of the "real border." It’s not that everyone is ready to surrender at once, but it’s easy to move the border by 30-40 kilometers. And let's take off the rose-colored glasses: a very large part of the population thinks the same way.
2. It is extremely difficult to look for a positive here, but all the military correspondents recorded that the command had a plan and the troops were fulfilling it. Let's hope that leaving Kherson is only part of the overall strategic plan.
3. The abandonment of Kherson was the result of mistakes made in the initial planning and implementation of the NWO. There is hardly any global agreement. If he does, it won't be right now. Although maybe someone in the leadership dreams about it.
4. Hence the conclusion - the war continues, we must support our army and provide it with a reliable rear. Nothing is over yet.
There are no other options. Unless he becomes a pawnbroker in Kazakhstan.
5. The construction of defense lines along the Dnieper, in the LPR and Zaporozhye, as well as the absence of new evacuations, suggests that the limit of "regroupings" has been exhausted. There is nowhere to go further.
6. Withdrawal beyond the Dnieper will strengthen the Zaporozhye grouping. This is not to say that it’s good that Kherson was surrendered, but to the fact that the command has options for improving the situation at the front as a whole. And finally stop the series of retreats.
7. The deployment of the mobilized will end in about a month. The war will be long.
8. Yes, and leaving Kherson does not mean completely surrendering it. I mean, dill needs to move towards it through mud, through minefields and blown up bridges, and the right bank of the Dnieper is in the zone of destruction of long-range artillery from the left bank and aviation. I hope the management understands this. By the way, that's why IMHO khokhly are afraid to admit that we are leaving Kherson. It will be necessary to explain why they do not quickly occupy the city.

[Dmitry Karabanov]

It seems to me that leaving Kherson will be "Tsushima" for Putin. Now he is supported by the patriotic minded part of society, and hated by the liberal one. Any "obscene peace" will lead to the disappointment of the patriots, but will not return the love of the liberals. And Putin will remain in the position of Nicholas II in 1917 ... The fate of Putin as a person is not interesting to me personally (there are enough Ipatiev houses for everyone), but the repetition of the history of the collapse of the Russian Empire is very frightening.

[neworange88]

I completely agree with you. Playing giveaway is nonsense. They just stop trusting, and in such a situation this is the worst thing. All the same, there are only two options in the friend-foe system.

[Kronos]

Instead of the Russian empire, the USSR arose, was that bad? The Russian Empire collapsed because the time has come for the end of empires as a system.

[fax66]

I don't understand shit....
Crossing the Dnieper and gaining a foothold on the right bank almost without any special battles and losses ... And now go back?
The right bank is not a "bridgehead", it's not a patch of 5 by 10 km, which is shot from edge to edge (So you can say that all the troops of the Armed Forces of Ukraine on the left bank of the Dnieper are on the "bridgehead", only a large one). In practice, leaving the right bank means giving up Odessa, Nikolaev and half of the Kherson region. If we cannot hold positions in an open field (and often along the banks of rivers), how are we going to advance later, forcing the Dnieper under shelling and opposition? Or do we now have to wait not for partial, but for complete mobilization? Someone is not allowed to sleep Zhukov's laurels?
I can not believe it....
If this is "some kind of cunning plan", then they (the strategists) are deceiving not the command of the Armed Forces of Ukraine (unfortunately, no fools are sitting there), but their Russian population. Which, oddly enough, is trying to follow the course of the SVO and is very worried about its relatives, incl. mobilized...
And now millions of people are scratching their heads - what to expect? A stunning victory in the Kherson region or withdrawal, general mobilization and the heroic crossing of the Dnieper in the winter of 2023 ....

[Kronos]

The capture of Odessa has long been abandoned.

[Aag]

"Russia 24", just now ... Shoigu ordered Surovikin to withdraw airborne personnel and equipment ...

[Chronos]

Quote: AAG

"Russia 24", just now ... Shoigu ordered Surovikin to withdraw airborne personnel and equipment ...

I hope everyone understands that this is for the "public" and the decision to withdraw troops will be implemented for a month already? And now they are actively crossing the Dnieper?

[Aag]

Quote: Chronos

Quote: AAG

"Russia 24", just now ... Shoigu ordered Surovikin to withdraw airborne personnel and equipment ...

I hope everyone understands that this is for the "public" and the decision to withdraw troops will be implemented for a month already? And now they are actively crossing the Dnieper?

On the running line: "... it is advisable to organize defense along the barrier line of the left bank of the Dnieper ..."

[El Barto]

What is the "month". Just remember when Dvornikov was filmed.

[Viktor29]

Well, l / s is understandable, you can still withdraw, but how to withdraw the "equipment" because it can only reach the Dnieper, burn it, or how to leave it as trophies in Izyum for the Armed Forces of Ukraine?

[Chronos]

Quote: Victor29

Well, l / s is understandable, you can still withdraw, but how to withdraw the "equipment" because it can only reach the Dnieper, burn it, or how to leave it as trophies in Izyum for the Armed Forces of Ukraine?

And what prevents you from transporting equipment by pontoons and helicopters?

[Aag]

Quote: Chronos

Quote: Victor29

Well, l / s is understandable, you can still withdraw, but how to withdraw the "equipment" because it can only reach the Dnieper, burn it, or how to leave it as trophies in Izyum for the Armed Forces of Ukraine?

And what prevents you from transporting equipment by pontoons and helicopters?

The APU will actively interfere ...
Why were bridges blown up BEFORE leaving?

[Viktor29]

In the best case, BMPs can be loaded by helicopters, under Izyum and without pontoons it was possible to cross the Oskol, but all the tracks were abandoned and it is slow, it will probably have to be transported there for weeks and months.

[Chronos]

Quote: Victor29

In the best case, BMPs can be loaded by helicopters, under Izyum and without pontoons it was possible to cross the Oskol, but all the tracks were abandoned and it is slow, it will probably have to be transported there for weeks and months.

Some of the equipment has probably already been shipped. The withdrawal of troops has been going on for a long time.

[vovochkarzhevsky]

That's it, we're draping over the Dnieper. Just a disgrace.

[Igor-68]

With what pomp they accepted the Kherson and Zaporozhye regions within their borders. And now shamefully hand over for no reason. Or is there an agreement with the United States, and soon there will be a truce? Then it's just a failure. Do the authorities not understand that their rating will fall below the plinth?

[vovochkarzhevsky]

Now the president is rubbing something on TV about the growth of the welfare of citizens, in fact, about how banks will be compensated for lost profits.

[Klaus8691]

Yes, they each ... one place in our opinion .. Evil is not enough. Why did they start with a bare ... ass?!

[El Barto]

No need to worry. We have many naturally fortified lines. The enemy will definitely not break through the Ural Mountains.
Moreover, the president recently said that there is no need to move the capital inland for the time being.
It means everything is OK.
In which regions have martial law been declared? There, apparently, it is also time to prepare for the withdrawal of personnel.
Surovikin should be presented with a wig with curls, a green cap and a black eye patch, so that he looks more like Kutuzov

[MMX]

Well, this was already clear from the logic of recent events. Tomorrow we will see how propaganda will broadcast to us that Kherson is not so important.

[Chronos]

Quote: vovochkarzhevsky

That's it, we're draping over the Dnieper. Just a disgrace.

Still, we don’t drape, as under Balakleya. Although so-so consolation.

[Born]

Well, now even the Ukrainian command will believe, Shoigu confirmed them)
I don't know what caesura words can be picked up, especially after the referendums.

[opuonmed]

it's a shame, that's all! there was so much time! it's my opinion !

[SerjK]

As a result, we give Kherson! Thanks to Shoigu & Co. Ukrainians fight for every bump, but here we give away whole areas! And then we conclude a peace agreement???? And if you return, then ala Mariupol ??? Where every incoming hero or heroically died??? Of course, I have never been a general, but as a citizen, I don’t understand such a thing. I’m not a good human decision.

[Chronos]

"The liberated troops will be involved in offensive operations." We took the cards in hand - play, Comrade General of the Army. What else to add? Leaving Kherson is a black page. So show that this forced decision was not made in vain.

[donavi49]

I repeat, the line along the Dnieper plays in both directions. The Armed Forces of Ukraine will also release 3-4 brigades.

[Chronos]

Quote: donavi49

I repeat, the line along the Dnieper plays in both directions. The Armed Forces of Ukraine will also release 3-4 brigades.

Release, but we have other reserves fit. And then who will outplay whom.

[Wladimir134]

Well, everything. Kherson is left. Officially announced. Fuck these our centers of acceptance of something there. I will do everything so that my son does not get into the army. After everything I've said today

[Alexander Soviet Union]

Tellingly, there are no kakelas. All the same, some military academies, together with ours, also graduated from their experienced officers

[donavi49]

So why should they? They possess:
1) Intelligence on the spot, in the region and the city, a rather small% for Russia in fact. Kherson itself is the most active in sabotage and creeping resistance (posting leaflets, graffiti, damaging property, etc.)
2) Satellite intelligence.
3) CIA and other friendly intelligence agencies.
4) Reconnaissance in combat on the ground.

military academies along with our

The main leader on earth is Syrsky (who cannot normally report a memorized text in Ukrainian to Zelensky’s camera) graduated with honors from MVOKU.

[Negro]

)))
It's very funny to read the news these days.
Month ago.
Surovikin is a time of difficult decisions.
An adequate part of the propaganda - it is necessary to take Kherson.
Ukrainians - in the course of some kind of wiring.

Yesterday.
Shoigu/Surovikin
We passed Kherson
S D A L I
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WE!

Hello, how do you hear? Joe, wake up!

Simon'yan
A-A-A-A-A
Z-channels
U-U-U-U-U

Ukraine: Russians are preparing a new Stalingrad! Four divisions are sitting there! They will fight to the death!

[cmax]

What is there to comment on, everything is clear who is who. The USSR had Stalingrad, and these ....... Kherson.

[sunzhenets]

Quote: ramzay21

Judging by reports from Kherson, our troops really leave it, take down flags and blow up bridges. It always happens when a country is run by a traitor and a coward. The betrayal was when in 2008 our army defeated the army of Georgia and received an order not to take Tbilisi, when the Armed Forces of Ukraine were defeated in 2014 and the guarantor signed the Minsk agreements, this happened after the start of the NMD, when he was eager for negotiations and ordered to leave the Kyiv region, Chernihiv region and Sumy region. Then there was a regrouping in the Kharkiv region, now it will be Kherson. He will give the Zaporozhye region, the DPR and the LPR and then the Crimea, it's a matter of time, do not hesitate. But the main thing is that you don’t rock the yacht, otherwise it will rock him.

The transfer of Chechnya to the heroic infantryman-academician is also from this list. I still don’t understand how it was possible in 2014 not to use such a trump card as the legally elected President of Ukraine Yanukovych and recognize Poroshenko.

[CYM]

Quote: Dmitry Karabanov

but the repetition of the history of the collapse of the Russian Empire is very frightening.

Yes, in the 90s, the "winners in the Cold War" did not begin to split Russia. Perhaps they were afraid of losing control over nuclear weapons, perhaps they thought that a large colony was easier to manage, perhaps for other reasons. The "Western partners" will not repeat this mistake a second time.

[Sebastian Aristarkhovich Pereira]

Well, what, x ...% ly, great, we "threw" you ?!

[incognoto]

everything looks like an agreement.. like we are moving away and the Ukrainians do not believe that we are moving away.. people are being held for fools on both sides. it is clear that nothing is clear

[navycat777]

Again, a new unexpected retreat of Russia and Zelensky was not agreed upon. He is constantly ignored, it's a shame

[TatarinSSSR]

Well, if only luck would come... A cunning plan - to announce the withdrawal of troops across the Dnieper, to give an order... and to deceive, not to withdraw... But who would believe such a thing? I don't believe. Although I would love to believe in such a fairy tale. Now the ukrovoyaks will take plenty of pictures in Kherson with yellow flags, they will trumpet new medals and shame on the whole world towards the Russian army.

[Sedoy]

The Ukrainian command does not believe in Russia's plans to leave Kherson: "There are up to 50 Russian soldiers there"

the Kremlin made an excellent gift for dill ...
now 60 tyr dill from near Kherson can easily poison the Donbass ...

[PC]

A natural question arises: for what? And who will answer? Or will it dissolve on its own?

[antiput]

They do not believe their luck, stupid.

[km-21]

In my opinion, it is impossible to implement a bloodless evacuation of the Kherson group to the left bank. Dill will certainly try to destroy the Russians during the crossing, and it will be quite simple to do this. Therefore, here one can see either some cunning plan of the Russian command, or a grandiose betrayal.
I would like to hope for the first.

[Vladimirsky]

They are trying to fool each other. The main thing in this is not to fool yourself.

[Damien_C]

To surrender this city without a fight would be utterly horrific for the Russian army as any sort of a military force and a great shame on the Russian people.

It would only show that a disfunctional Ukrainian force with no Navy not Airforce very little Air Defenses and heavily out numbered in artillery pushed back and defeated a Nuclear power

It would be the end of all or any Russian influence anywhere on the planet

[Amper]

Sadly, it happened. The regime has signed its incapacity. Theft and corruption have not led any country in the world to prosperity.

[Amper]

That's why Vovan did not go to Zh20, because he had already given the go-ahead to take it. They would look at him there as The colossus began to fall In dill, jubilation-Zelya outplayed Myamlya. Probably everyone who somehow supported will now turn away, the operation has failed, a separate peace is on the agenda The bearer of a political corpse is still available to be seen by the People

[Alexey Koshkarov]

Again Minsk agreements number three

[guest]

No, you can’t, then they retreated with a fight, but here they just stupidly surrendered.

We have already officially announced that we are leaving.

[TatarinSSSR]

And we also suddenly began to dig fortifications and trenches near the Crimea itself ... Somehow this all brings sad thoughts.

[AshKGD87]

Ukrainians are playing along so that a military coup in the Kremlin does not happen earlier than planned. Even NATO members sing along that Russia is still strong and is still dangerous.

[Lis_Domino]

What are we doing in Ukraine then, even if we are unable to defend our territory? (Second army you say?)

[Wladimir134]

Just look at how the troops were withdrawn. Through Kakhovka. In a straight line along the untouched bridge. Pure agreement.

[Scipio]

hmmm......in the comments there are a bunch of people, most of them rotten......they spout sophisticatedly and stupidly repeating conspiracy theories nonsense like a mantra...only a few throw up their hands in misunderstanding.....generally a thought like this: for anyone with an unbearable patriotic itch, I recommend becoming a general SHOW HOW TO FIGHT......well, we'll see......

[Voenpens TOM]

Alarmists are on a roll. Hyper-activation of all-killers and hohlobots! Wake up. This is a war in which there are both retreats and advances. Don't stress yourself out, get busy.

[the same doctor]

This is war, there are retreats. Who is to blame for the retreat?

[Skobaristan]

Reading the Internet now, here and in other places, right down to entertainment resources, the same thing just hit me like a wave. And most importantly, according to the same training manual: we were betrayed!!. And I immediately remember how many times “Putin finally leaked Donbass”

[Swarotwar Hort]

Sha! So far there has been no retreat. Let's see what and how will happen next.