Lucius Cornelius Sulla. "The start of a long journey"

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Lucius Cornelius Sulla. "The start of a long journey"
Gabriel de Bourbon. Captivity of Jugurtha

Lucius Cornelius Sulla, nicknamed Felix (lucky, happy) is one of the most controversial figures of ancient Rome. Moreover, this inconsistency was already noted and emphasized by ancient Roman historians. Many of them, as it were, divide Sulla's life into two halves. Sallust, for example, writes:

"Lucius Sulla, by force weapons having seized power in the state, after a good start ended badly.

Velleius Paterculus, author of the Roman stories", calls Sulla a man



"in regard to whom, before the victory, no praise will seem excessive, nor a single censure after this victory."

He also believed that Sulla could rightly be called "Happy", "if his life ended with the victory."

And Cicero and Varro often quoted a phrase whose author is currently unknown:

"Sulla is half lion and half fox, and foxes in him are much more dangerous than a lion."

European historians, starting from the XNUMXth century, are also at a loss, noting that, having become a dictator and seizing sole power, Sulla used it to protect the republican system (aristocratic republic).

This opinion was shared, for example, by the authoritative German historian Theodor Mommsen, who wrote in his work "History of Rome":

"Descendants did not appreciate either the personality of Sulla or his reforms."

The Soviet and Russian historian A. B. Egorov believes that the dictatorship of Sulla strengthened the monarchical trend in the development of Rome, but at the same time, again,

"the transformation of the republic into a monarchy was largely halted."

V. S. Sergeev is more critical, believing that Sulla

"subjectively pursuing restoration goals, objectively laid the foundation for a new political organization"

(i.e., principate).

M. I. Rostovtsev wrote about the same:

"Sulla's reforms, in large part, undoubtedly prepared the structure of the future principate."

Another Soviet historian, R.Yu. Vipper, even claimed that Sulla became the first Roman emperor in the modern sense of the term:

"The whole picture of the emperorship, up to the game with republican symbols, has already been carried out by Sulla."

And S. Kovalev called Sulla "the first emperor in the new, and not in the republican sense of the word."

In general, there is no unity of opinions and assessments, although, of course, the image of Sulla is traditionally drawn exclusively in black colors.


Lucius Cornelius Sulla, bust. Vatican, Chiaramonti Museum

In a small series of articles we will talk about this person.

Origin and early life of Lucius Cornelius Sulla


The future dictator was born in Rome in 138 BC. e. and came from the ancient patrician family of the Cornelii, whose representatives were the famous Scipio. However, Sulla belonged to another, greatly impoverished branch of the Cornelii - the Rufins. After the death of his father, he did not even have his own house, which for a Roman patrician in Rome was a sign of extreme poverty.

Despite the low prosperity of his family, Sulla received a good education. He knew the Greek language and understood Greek literature, wrote satirical comedies, and had a talent for oratory. Later, he brought from captured Athens the libraries of Aristotle and Theophrastus, who is now called the "father of botany." Many believe that this was of great importance for the further development of Hellenophilism in Rome.

But in his youth, Sulla had a reputation as a spoiled varmint, spending time in the company of actors, mimes and citharists. It is said that the young Sulla was the lover of the wealthy freedwoman Nikopol and actually lived at her expense. His affairs improved significantly after she, dying, bequeathed to him all her property.

I must say that throughout his life Sulla was known as a very loving person, which was not encouraged in republican Rome. However, Sulla was even proud of his numerous extramarital affairs, because he believed that he was descended from the goddess Venus.

And after the victory in the Second Civil War, he appropriated two agnomens - Felix ("Lucky" or "Happy") and Epaphroditus ("Beloved of Aphrodite" - the Greek goddess of beauty and love, which in the 200s BC began to be identified with Roman Venus).

Sulla was officially married 5 times.

The beginning of military service


Sulla began military service only in 107 BC. e., at that time he was about 31 years old. It is said that he could choose between the armies of the two consuls. The first was Lucius Cassius Longinus, who went to war against the Cimbri and their Helvetian allies (where he was defeated and died). The second is Gaius Marius, who was supposed to fight against the Numidian king Jugurtha (the so-called Jugurthian war went on from 112 BC and ended only in 105 BC).


Guy Mari, bust, Vatican Museums

Jugurtha was the grandson of Masinissa, an ally of Scipio in his war against Hannibal. This Numidian king played an important role in Rome's victorious Battle of Zama.

Sulla chose the army of Marius, to whose relative he was married. He took the position of quaestor (the lowest in the system of Roman magistracies). At that time, the quaestor was an assistant consul with an indefinite range of duties. The quaestor could act as a supplier, buying food and fodder. And he could command part of the army.

Sulla successfully coped with the formation of cavalry units, which he then led to the active army - to North Africa. Then, in the position of propraetor, he held successful negotiations with the king of Mauritania Boc, as a result of which Jugurtha, who had come there for negotiations, was captured in the Mauritanian camp.


Coin minted by Sulla's son Faustus: Bocchus (left) gives Jugurt Sulla, who sits in the center

Sulla handed over the captive to Mary, and he led the defeated king through Rome during his triumph (January 1, 104 BC). At the end of the procession, Jugurtha's royal clothes were torn off, golden earrings were pulled out of his ears and placed in the underground Mamertine prison, where he soon died of starvation. However, Livy claims that the Romans did not wait for the death of Jugurtha, but strangled him already on the sixth day of his imprisonment.

War with the Cimbri


Meanwhile, in the north, things were far from brilliant for the Romans. The Romans first encountered the Germanic people of the Cimbri on the Danube in 120 BC. e. In 113 BC. e. the Cimbri defeated the Roman army in Norica (the area between the Drava and the Danube) and moved to Gaul, where the Helvetii (the Celtic tribe, after which the territory of modern Switzerland was named Helvetia) became their allies. In 109 BC. e. they defeated the army of the governor of Narbonne Gaul, Mark Junius Silanus.

We have already talked about the defeat in the Kimbrian War in 107 BC. e. armies of Lucius Cassius Longinus. And on October 6, 105 BC. e. in the battle of Arausion, the Cimbri and Teutons also defeated the army of the consul Gnaeus Mallius Maximus. After this, the Cimbri invaded the Iberian Peninsula, but were repulsed by the Celtiberians and returned to Gaul, again threatening the Roman borders. Gaius Marius was chosen for the role of "savior of the fatherland" in Rome, who was elected consul in absentia for the year 104 and was supposed to go to war with the Germans.


Marius and the ambassadors of the Cimbri. Illustration by W. Rainey, 1900

Sulla in his army was at first a legate, and then a military tribune. In 104 BC. e. in one of the battles, he managed to capture Kopilla, who led the tribe of tectosages.

In addition, he successfully negotiated with the local tribal leaders, due to which some of them took a neutral position. But these successes began to cause a feeling of discontent among Marius, who became jealous of the popularity of Sulla. After all, even in the victory over the Numidians in the Jugurtine War, some in Rome gave the decisive role not to the commander-in-chief, but to his talented subordinate.

At the beginning of 102 BC. e. Sulla passed under the command of the second consul - Quintus Lutacius Catulus, whose son would later become his loyal supporter. Catulus, unlike Marius, did not possess the talents of a commander, and therefore Sulla had a great chance to prove himself. As a legate, Sulla managed to inflict several defeats on the Alpine tribes, to organize the supply of the army, and then acted very successfully in the decisive battle of the war of Vercelli (July 30, 101 BC).



Giovanni Battista Tiepolo. "Battle of Vercelli"

Modern historians believe that the united armies of the consuls (over 52 soldiers) outnumbered the German army, which, according to various authors, could contain from 25 to 48 people. In addition, the Romans had an advantage in the number of horsemen. The army of Catulus took up positions in the center, parts of Mary - on the flanks.

The battle began after the collision of the infantry of Mary with the cavalry of the Cimbri. Plutarch wrote that the Cimbri started the battle, but were put to flight. Orosius, on the contrary, claims that it was the soldiers of Mary who suddenly attacked the cavalry of the Germans. One way or another, they were carried away by the pursuit of the retreating enemy. Later, both wings of the Marian troops joined at the enemy camp and, turning, hit the Cimbri in the rear. However, until then, the main events unfolded in the center, where the parts of Catulus stood, and Sulla found himself in the very middle of the battle.

Roman authors were surprised to say that women of the barbarians took part in the battle, many of whom, in order not to be captured, committed suicide (like the two sons of the leaders of the Germanic tribes). But their dedication could not improve the situation: being surrounded and attacked from the rear, the Cimbri lost the battle and suffered huge losses. Boyorig, the head of the barbarian alliance, and Lugius, one of the tribal leaders, were killed in battle. The threat to Roman possessions from the Germanic tribes was eliminated for 20 years. Both Catulus and Marius claimed to be the winner. The Senate decided to hold a joint triumph of these consuls.

Political career attempts


In Rome, Sulla, on the second attempt, was elected to the office of city praetor. Then for some time he acted as governor in Cilicia. In this position, he supported the election to the throne of Cappadocia Ariobarzanes I, known by the speaking nickname Philoromeus ("loving the Romans"). This did not please the king of Pontus Mithridates VI Eupator. He had his own candidate - Gordius, who, in alliance with the Armenian king Tigran II, tried to remove Ariobarzanes, but was defeated by Sulla.

Sulla also went down in history as the first Roman official to enter into negotiations with Parthia. Returning to Rome, he tried to stand as a candidate for the election of consuls, but just at that time an uprising began in the Italian lands, whose inhabitants demanded equal rights with the Romans.

Allied (Mars) War


Roman citizenship provided many benefits, both in terms of property rights and personal security (corporal punishment and torture were prohibited against Roman citizens). In addition, the Italians, who had the status of "allies of Rome", did not have the right to cultivate land owned by the state.


Settlement of tribes in the Apennine Peninsula

Convinced that Rome did not want to listen to their requests, the tribes of Mars, Marrucins, Peligni, Frentani, Piceni, Vestins, Girpins, Samnites, Lucans and Iapygs tried to create their own confederate state, the capital of which was Corfinium, renamed Italica. Coins were minted with the image of a bull (a symbol of Italy), trampling on a Roman she-wolf. Latium, Etruria, Umbria - the Greek cities of southern Italy, remained faithful to Rome. And in Campania, the common people sympathized with the allies, the aristocrats - with Rome.

After the outbreak of hostilities, Sulla became a legate in the army of the consul Lucius Julius Caesar. He had to interact with Gaius Marius.

Campaign of 90 B.C. e. was not very successful for Rome, and therefore, on the initiative of Lucius Julius Caesar, a law was passed granting Roman citizenship to communities that did not take part in the uprising or laid down their arms within two months. But the Marsi, Samnites and Piceni refused to stop fighting.

In 89 BC. e. Sulla led the army of Lucius Caesar and fought a successful battle with the most dangerous tribe of Mars for Rome. He then led the advance of the Roman forces in Campania and Samnium, capturing Nola and Pompeii.


Samnite Warriors. Fresco from Nola, 330–310 BC e.

Then he managed to force the surrender of the city of Eklan (giving it to his soldiers to plunder) and Bovian, one of the capitals of the rebellious Italian tribes. Gaius Cosconius defeated the Samnites in Apulia. To the north of Rome, Gnaeus Pompey Strabo, Quintus Caecilius Metellus Pius, Gnaeus Pompey and Lucius Cornelius Cinna successfully operated against the Marsi, Vestins, Marrucins and Peligni.

Sulla's success in that war was so obvious that he received a unique award - the obsidian crown, which had been awarded only twice in the previous two centuries.

However, now, after concessions to the Italians, two categories of citizens appeared in the Roman Republic - "old" and "new". The contradictions between them soon led to two civil wars, one of the main characters in which was Sulla. We will talk about this in the next article.
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  1. +9
    11 November 2022 05: 38
    Sincere thanks to Valery for the long-playing theme of the Hellenic-Roman cycle!
    Happy Friday everyone!
    1. +1
      11 November 2022 21: 05
      After 21.00 I want to have a long Friday))
      Thanks for the interesting cycle - easy to read. True, the chronology is too fashionable - if you count with old articles, then there is no historical sequence.
      1. +1
        12 November 2022 06: 13
        As far as I understood, this cycle of Valery arose from the remnants of materials on personal work. It's like "cleaning up tails" - he told about one historical figure, but the material remains on another. Wrote about it - raised five more worthy of discussion!
        However, this is my speculation, I could be wrong!
  2. +5
    11 November 2022 06: 07
    You compare ancient history and the history of the USSR, and it becomes clear that some will consider any ruler as Stalin a monster, others a genius. And everything will depend only on your own fears and habits. And the same "Beria's mistresses" will be with other historical characters. Everything is only on the imagination of the author. Well, even Sulla, although Raffaello Giovagnoli colorfully described him, but Mithridates was less fortunate, Leo Tolstoy was not enough for him.
    1. +2
      11 November 2022 15: 46
      Polupudnev was found on Mithridates, he read excellent books as a teenager. The dilogy "At Pontus Euxinus" is not directly about him, but the third book is called "Mithridates".
  3. +6
    11 November 2022 06: 20
    the image of Sulla is traditionally drawn exclusively in black paint.
    And who denigrated him like that?
    1. +5
      11 November 2022 07: 18
      And who denigrated him like that?
      Giovagnoli.
      1. +4
        11 November 2022 07: 24
        Quote: 3x3zsave
        And who denigrated him like that?
        Giovagnoli

        And even earlier - Plutarch ...
      2. +5
        11 November 2022 08: 51
        The first read - lays the relationship.
        1. +6
          11 November 2022 08: 56
          How to say... Never admired Ulenspiegel.
          1. +4
            11 November 2022 09: 04
            So I didn't get to know him.

            After your next mention, I still download. At least find out what it's about.
            1. +5
              11 November 2022 10: 14
              Try to find the full version. The Soviet version was cut by 10-15 percent.
              1. +3
                11 November 2022 15: 01
                So far I have found the 1951 edition. It feels like the beginning is not entirely unfamiliar.

                I remember that I did not like Rabelais at all. For some reason, such associations.
      3. +3
        11 November 2022 15: 32
        Giovagnoli.
        So he did it from his bell tower. smile Plutarch, invited the reader to make an assessment himself. in his works he presented heroes from the positive and negative sides. What is true and what is not true is another matter.
        1. +1
          11 November 2022 16: 27
          Plutarch, invited the reader to make an assessment himself

          Characterizing Sulla as a bright and ambiguous personality, Plutarch, after he became a dictator, watered his merde quite actively. For proscription lists, for executions, for confiscation and for dictatorial habits... No wonder, after his death, most of the laws he passed were repealed...
      4. +3
        15 November 2022 00: 36
        Anton, Colin McCullough: "The First Man of Rome". For Guy Maria and Sulu.
  4. +6
    11 November 2022 06: 26
    Quote: Dummy
    but Mithridates was less fortunate, Leo Tolstoy was not enough for him

    This is all because Mithridates, unlike Stalin and Sulla, was outside the boundaries of Eurocentrism...
    1. +3
      11 November 2022 11: 44
      Quote: Luminman
      Quote: Dummy
      but Mithridates was less fortunate, Leo Tolstoy was not enough for him

      This is all because Mithridates, unlike Stalin and Sulla, was outside the boundaries of Eurocentrism...

      Yes, he was not particularly engaged in “Euro-Remointegration”. The scribe (the Senate and people of Rome) came by himself and without asking!
      1. +1
        11 November 2022 11: 56
        (Senate and people of Rome) came on his own and without asking

        Yes, he came. When Mithridates in Roman possessions began to muddy the waters ...
      2. +2
        11 November 2022 15: 50
        He studied that even in such a toy as Rome is reflected, the legionnaires of Mithridates are a clear proof of this.
    2. +3
      11 November 2022 15: 49
      Yes, I would not say that little attention was paid to him, in our Crimea two peaks are called Mithridates, but the memory worked, I mentioned books above, and Mithridates started as a philhellene and carried out pro-Roman reforms in the army, and he served quite a few Roman deserters. They then put together new units.
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      2. +2
        11 November 2022 16: 17
        Yes, I would not say that little attention has been paid to him

        Attention is mainly paid to him only because he fought with mighty Rome. If not for this circumstance, narrow historians would know it. Were there few states at that, and not at that time?
        1. +2
          11 November 2022 16: 36
          Well, I don’t know about you, for example, we have less coverage of Macedonia’s resistance to Rome, maybe because Mithridates lived a little in the Crimea and even died.
          1. +1
            11 November 2022 16: 41
            Mithridates in the Crimea lived a little and even died

            Crimea is not world history. Rome, yes! Its history is studied on all continents...
            1. +2
              11 November 2022 17: 57
              Quote: Luminman
              Mithridates in the Crimea lived a little and even died

              Crimea is not world history. Rome, yes! Its history is studied on all continents...

              Here I disagree with you. Crimea is primarily our history, which is probably more important than the World!
              1. +1
                11 November 2022 18: 48
                Crimea is primarily our history, which is probably more important than the World!

                It is unlikely that the history of Crimea is studied in Vietnam, Argentina or Botswana. And the history of Rome is taught everywhere. I meant it...
                1. 0
                  12 November 2022 07: 17
                  Quote: Luminman
                  Crimea is primarily our history, which is probably more important than the World!

                  It is unlikely that the history of Crimea is studied in Vietnam, Argentina or Botswana. And the history of Rome is taught everywhere. I meant it...

                  The history of Russia is studied in Vietnam, and Crimea is part of Russia. I'm not talking about global trends, but "whose shirt is closer to the body."
                  hi
              2. +3
                11 November 2022 19: 33
                And in general, Crimea is still a melting pot.
                1. +1
                  11 November 2022 20: 31
                  Quote from Korsar4
                  And in general, Crimea is still a melting pot

                  And what more!
  5. +5
    11 November 2022 08: 28
    Sulla was intelligent and brilliant in his own way. He, like many others, realized that the republic had outlived itself and realized that it was impossible to do without an "enlightened dictator" at that time. Sulla strengthened the power of the Senate to such an extent that it simply had no precedents in any foreseeable past of Rome. In fact, he reduced to a minimum all the real counterbalances to this power that existed in the Roman political system. At the same time, he perfectly understood that it was the Senate that was the nest of the very aristocracy that posed the greatest threat to him.
    1. +5
      11 November 2022 11: 41
      In fact, he reduced to a minimum all the real counterbalances to this power that existed in the Roman political system.

      Thus, he created a crisis of power that plunged Rome into civil wars (lasting almost half a century)!
      1. +2
        11 November 2022 15: 51
        The crisis of power was already there, and therefore such a figure as Sulla appeared. The same allied war, for example, is a witness to this. And he did not start the struggle between the optimates and the popular.
        1. +1
          11 November 2022 16: 29
          The crisis of power was already there, which is why such a figure as Sulla appeared

          And we have such a figure as Yeltsin ...
          1. +3
            11 November 2022 16: 38
            So maturation went on there, and we have rotting, therefore, figures of different caliber and crept up.
            1. +1
              11 November 2022 16: 46
              So there was maturation

              Nothing like this! By the time being described, Rome had already begun to smell of the smell of decay. And this odor from decade to decade more and more intensified. As a result - the onslaught of the barbarians and Rome fell ...
              1. +3
                11 November 2022 17: 15
                Are you laughing? The onslaught of the barbarians took place during the time of Marcus Aurelius, and we are talking about Sulla, does the chronological run-up bother you?
                1. +1
                  11 November 2022 17: 21
                  I know when Sulla lived and when Rome fell.
                  Since the reign of Sulla, and maybe a little earlier, the gradual attenuation of Rome began, which eventually led to its death.
                  1. +2
                    11 November 2022 17: 31
                    Only the maximum expansion of the empire already occurred under Trajan, which is far from the time of Sulla. Damn this attenuation, Gaul, Britain, Egypt have not yet been conquered ...
                    1. 0
                      11 November 2022 17: 35
                      Civil wars are not the best indicator of the stability of a state...
                      1. 0
                        12 November 2022 09: 01
                        The Byzantine Empire is an example for you, it existed for a very long time with its problems, and in fact it is the Roman Empire, only the Eastern and Byzantium we now call it. Won Leo the Deacon when he writes about how the Romans got along with the Scythians, i.e. with the Russians, and this is the 10th century.
              2. 0
                11 November 2022 21: 20
                And the empire, as a preservation of the decay that has begun?
                I think, nevertheless, this is just a coincidence and the Republic could exist much longer. Even if it would not have reached such a huge size, which eventually destroyed the Empire.
  6. +5
    11 November 2022 08: 52
    That's not how you please some Venus -
    Go then treat trichomoniasis.
    1. +5
      11 November 2022 11: 49
      Quote from Korsar4
      That's not how you please some Venus -
      Go then treat trichomoniasis.

      Therefore, the "heroes of Rome" and the "favorites of Venus" were not modest in the sacrifices to her temple! A hundred bulls on the altar and the problem is solved!!! Well, if not solved, then the greedy pays twice. You could also go to the oracle to visit, he will cut down his hundred, but he will tell you who else to give two! laughing
      1. +3
        11 November 2022 15: 03
        Again, recalling Giovagnoli, Sulla had enough sores.
  7. +4
    11 November 2022 13: 55
    Sulla chose the army of Marius

    He couldn't choose. Where he was sent by lot, he went there.
  8. +3
    11 November 2022 15: 44
    Many thanks to Valery, although the antique man himself was initially forgotten a lot and much was not known.
  9. +1
    11 November 2022 16: 40
    obsidian obsidian the crown

    why twice?
    1. +1
      12 November 2022 07: 46
      He who does not work is not mistaken!
      hi
      However, you know this very well.
      Regards, Kote!
  10. +2
    11 November 2022 16: 42
    Sulla, Caesar, Octavian and Constantine - four people who directed the history of Rome in the direction that we have with all its pluses and minuses.
    The absence of any of them would greatly change everything in the history of European civilization.
  11. +1
    11 November 2022 16: 54
    Quote: faterdom
    Sulla, Caesar, Octavian and Constantine

    Being strong personalities, they nevertheless swam with the flow of history ...
  12. Fat
    +3
    11 November 2022 16: 57
    hi Greetings Fathers! Why Guy Julius and Gnei Pompeii is a great mystery to me? I can't figure it out. Like gay - a nominal prefix meaning "noble" origin, and gay comes from the Etruscan naming, meaning the same. Where is the secret? Help to understand... Please.
    1. Fat
      +3
      11 November 2022 17: 45
      Excuse me, Pompey, of course rot
    2. +3
      11 November 2022 17: 46
      Hi Andrew!
      According to Plutarch, Rome appears on the Capitoline Hill as a city of outcasts. One legend about Romulus and Remus, which is worth it.
      For seven centuries before the birth of Christ, before the events described by Valery, Rome absorbed the surrounding cultures like a vacuum cleaner: the Etruscans, Gauls, Celts, Greeks and other Italic tribes.
      The same Plutarch claimed that even the Spartans were one of the tribes of the founders.
      So I think the mutual penetration of languages ​​is obvious!
      1. +4
        11 November 2022 18: 14
        one of the founding tribes was even the Spartans.
        Maybe Trojans?
        1. +2
          11 November 2022 18: 20
          Quote: 3x3zsave
          one of the founding tribes was even the Spartans.
          Maybe Trojans?

          Hello Anton! No, Plutarch writes about the Spartans.
        2. +3
          11 November 2022 19: 31
          The Hymn of the Trees mentions:

          "Before the flight of Aeneas from Troy."

          For some reason, Trojans are cute. Except for Paris. The Romans don't.

          But children's addictions are hardly explainable. Maybe sympathy for the vanquished.
          1. +5
            11 November 2022 19: 41
            For some reason, Trojans are cute. Except for Paris. The Romans don't.
            Here! I told you: don't give a damn Giovagnoli to read in childhood!)))
            1. +3
              11 November 2022 20: 13
              Do you think because of this? Plutarch and Titus Livius read with pleasure. And Suetonius did not go plainly.

              From children's literature, we have already recalled "Hannibal's Elephants". There, too, for Carthage. And to think - a very peculiar society.
          2. Fat
            +2
            11 November 2022 23: 45
            hi
            Quote from Korsar4
            For some reason, Trojans are cute. Except for Paris. The Romans don't.

            Duc. Guys s... wassat
            1. +2
              11 November 2022 23: 55
              And, seeing the Stream, look down on him
              Patriot turned sternly:
              "Say, do you respect a man?"
              But Stream asks: "What?"
              "Man in general, that great humility!"
              But the Stream says: “There is a man and a man:
              If he doesn’t drink the crop,
              I respect the man then! ”
      2. +2
        11 November 2022 18: 54
        Rome, like a vacuum cleaner, absorbed the surrounding cultures: Etruscans, Gauls, Celts, Greeks

        Fear God! What can you absorb from the wild Gauls? Everything mainly from the Greeks...
        1. +6
          11 November 2022 19: 30
          What can you absorb from the wild Gauls?
          For example, trousers.
        2. +2
          11 November 2022 20: 59
          Quote: Luminman
          Rome, like a vacuum cleaner, absorbed the surrounding cultures: Etruscans, Gauls, Celts, Greeks

          Fear God! What can you absorb from the wild Gauls? Everything mainly from the Greeks...

          We are conditionally historical, modem talking about Rome only from the 5th century BC. It should be noted here that the Romans considered the Greeks the second civilized people after themselves, in direct contact with the Roman borders with the Greek (Greater Greece) crossed fifty years before the first Punic War. So the Romans took no less from the savages than from the Etruscans and the sons of Hellas.
        3. Fat
          +1
          11 November 2022 23: 42
          hi I agree! In the last century before Christ. Greek (Hellenistic) in Rome was as popular as, for example, French in the "high society" of Russia in the early 19th century request
  13. 0
    11 November 2022 19: 58
    Quote: 3x3zsave
    For example, trousers

    Pants, it seems, absorbed from the Huns ...
    1. +4
      11 November 2022 21: 10
      No, it was from the Gauls, having conquered Cisalpine Gaul. Since then, Milan has become a trendsetter in European fashion.)))