The head of the state-owned company, who announced the existence of an alternative plan for the railways of Ukraine, was photographed against the backdrop of a steam locomotive

The head of Ukrainian Railways (the so-called Ukrzaliznytsia) Oleksandr Kamyshin said today that the company’s management “has a plan B in case of large-scale problems associated with the defeat of the electric power infrastructure.

The situation today is such that the company's representatives have to use alternative options for connecting railway lines to the power supply due to a significant shortage of electricity generation and distribution capacities.

According to Kamyshin, plan "B" involves the transition from locomotives that use electricity for movement to diesel locomotives.

It is noteworthy that the head of the Ukrainian state-owned company provided his own photograph against the background of a steam locomotive GR-280 with Soviet symbols to discuss an alternative plan in case the railways were cut off from power supply. At the same time, black smoke escapes from the chimney of the locomotive, apparently making it clear that the future of Ukrzaliznytsia may well become locomotive traction.

Recall that as a result of attacks on the energy infrastructure of the Kyiv regime in Ukraine, it was often necessary to urgently switch to the transportation of trains (including military equipment) using diesel locomotives. At the same time, a number of military experts suggested striking at locomotive depots with diesel locomotives and electric locomotives so that the logistics of transportation weapons became more and more difficult for the Armed Forces of Ukraine, and the process itself became more and more difficult.

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[seamen2]

* At the same time, a number of military experts suggested striking at locomotive depots with diesel locomotives and electric locomotives, so that the logistics of transporting weapons became more and more difficult for the Armed Forces of Ukraine *.
but who listens to these experts. wow, what did the wise guys think.

[Aerodrome]

as in the "elusive" ... "fatigue is forgotten, the children are swaying, and again the hooves are beating like a heart ..." burn the "burnashi" your past and future ....

[Andrei Nikolaevich]

Aerodrome, Surovikin will soon transfer them to oxen. As they say, where we started, we returned to that. And we will hear "Attention ... An ambulance branded train of carts, ox-drawn by the message" Kryzhopol-ZhmErynka "is leaving from the first platform. Please passengers take seats on the carts. Have a nice trip, independent Ukrainians"))

[Xnumx vis]

Quote: Andrey Nikolaevich

"Kryzhopol-zhmErynka" departs from the first platform.

With the change of oxen at Berdychiv ...

[Andrei Nikolaevich]

I imagine it, I imagine ...)))) A drunken groom, full carts of ukrov in embroidered shirts, busty village women, straw hats, heat, sweat, stink and leisurely oxen ...))) Catherine's times ..)

[Shurik70]

Why steam locomotives and not diesel locomotives?
The same coal depot burns worse than fuel tanks, so the clauses "diesel fuel can be burned by rockets" are not accepted.
Is it possible that diesel engines were all sold out in eight years, but no buyers were found for steam locomotives?

[Serg koma]

Quote: Shurik70

Why steam locomotives and not diesel locomotives?

What "diesel fuel"???
Steam locomotive Gr — narrow gauge steam locomotive type 0-4-0
Design

The developed firebox of the boiler with grates was adapted for wood heating.

and high wood grate, allowing to ship stock of firewood much higher than the walls of the fuel bunker.

Quote: Andrey Nikolaevich

"Attention ... An ambulance branded train of carts, bullock-drawn with the message" Kryzhopol-zhmErynka"

Amendment, with your permission -
"Rudnitsa - Golovanevsk" - the narrow-gauge railway (the steam locomotive Gr-280 - on the Gaivoronskaya UZhD) has no other way. So carts on oxen will go along the narrow-gauge railway, on the route "Kryzhopol-ZhmErynka" - wheel sets of carts need to be changed

[Shurik70]

Quote: Serg Koma

Steam locomotive Gr - narrow-gauge steam locomotive type 0-4-0

But this is called a "diesel locomotive". He's a "locomotive".
And in Ukraine until 2014 there were plenty of them.
The fact that instead of them they suddenly started talking about steam locomotives means that now they are gone.

[DrMadfisher_2]

You first set fire to the coal depot. Yes, dumps burn, but overburden coal burns there, which ignites by itself from contact with air

[Beck69]

We have one unique set fire to a butor pile, where the heads and legs lay for 10 years of shooting. It was just "FIRE" that burned, and the smell ..... for five years I dreamed at night ...
So we need to set a task, let alone set it on fire .... we can.

[opposite28]

An ambulance branded train of carts, bullock-drawn by the message "Kryzhopol-zhmErynka" leaves from the first platform.

Just carts without bullock. Ahead of winter, thrust runs the risk of being mothballed at best.

[Alexander Salenko]

Well, a steam locomotive can push loads, if necessary, they will harness them too, the problem is coal, it is in Western Ukraine, but not like the Donetsk one and in stokers. An inexperienced stoker will overspend coal.

[Real Pilot]

Alexander Kamyshin today said that the company's management “has a plan B in case of large-scale problems associated with the defeat of the electric power infrastructure.

And how to heat steam locomotives? Reeds! You give harvesting of reeds in all swamps... For locomotives. The director knows.

Although, if they had taken the only right decision - the one that Comrade Katz bequeathed to them in the famous film by Gaidai, such stupid measures would not have been required! But their curators will not allow them to surrender.

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: RealPilot

And how to heat steam locomotives? Reeds! You give harvesting of reeds in all swamps... For locomotives. The director knows.

Fuck what. For a steam locomotive, any fuel capable of turning water into steam is suitable. There are examples in history when steam locomotives were drowned with dried fish. It's just that there are some points that make their application difficult, namely the presence of the accompanying infrastructure. Previously, every 25 - 30 km of the railway haul there were points for replenishing coal and water, which, as the tender was empty, filled up and topped up coal and water. It's just that if you take the old railway map, then the intermediate stations stood at this distance from each other, which were closed as the steam locomotives were retired. Again, the question is how many steam locomotives are left in working order and how many specialists are there who can reanimate these fire-breathing horses. From 1980 to 1984, I worked at the railway depot as a locksmith and assistant locomotive driver, so at that time we had only two mammoth locksmiths who knew the locomotive maintenance regulations.

[Dmitry Donskoy]

You need to be driven into the Stone Age, so that they would not be steam locomotives, but carried on oxen, devils.

[Abbot]

//According to Kamyshin, plan "B" involves the transition from locomotives that use electricity for movement to diesel locomotives.//

Here are the stubborn bastards!

[4ekist]

the head of the Ukrainian state-owned company supplied his own photo against the background of the steam locomotive GR-280

Don't forget about the stokers, and we'll knock out the locomotives. You will ride railcars with a breeze.

[Russ]

. It is necessary to drive you into the Stone Age, so that not by steam locomotives, but by oxen they drove, damn

Then only the trolley...
I do not rule out that on the sleepers, again on the sleepers ...

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Dmitry Donskoy

You need to be driven into the Stone Age, so that they would not be steam locomotives, but carried on oxen, devils.

So all the oxen have long been allowed for meat.

[mr.Man]

From the background in the photo behind the character...
Steam locomotive of the GR series for narrow gauge railways, to carry peat or "firewood" from the forest ...
The only feature of Gr (for some people) is that the locomotive was made in Germany, but under reparation. Produced from 1947 to 1956 ...
It is dangerous for him to run over 35 km/h...
SP
Steam locomotives are like sailboats on the sea - beautiful ...

[Alexey Lantukh]

The main part of the locomotives in the depot are those machines that need to be repaired or serviced, and a large part is on the lines.

[VPK-65]

* At the same time, a number of military experts suggested striking at locomotive depots with diesel locomotives and electric locomotives, so that the logistics of transporting weapons became more and more difficult for the Armed Forces of Ukraine *.
but who listens to these experts. wow, what did the wise guys think.

There were other experts who suggested bringing down bridges, not locomotives. There were a lot of fake stuffing - they say it’s not so easy to destroy the bridge, but as soon as it began to interfere with the business of “respectable people” (supplies of fuel and lubricants), the bridge to Romania was filled up with one shot.
Let's remember the lessons of history: in 1999, NATO aircraft bombed Yugoslavia for 78 days. Our generals immediately drew attention to the bridges - they were cut out by everyone, even small footbridges. Gentlemen, the generals after that, scratching their heads, were preoccupied with the thought: where are we going to go on our steam locomotives ??? After that, they abandoned the old Khrushchev doctrine of their use and remembered that there is a "Unified deep-water system of the European part of Russia."
PS and locomotives - in the furnace)))

[seamen2]

it’s not quite deep-sea either .. I remembered the town with its water releases ..

[VPK-65]

it’s not quite deep-sea either .. I remembered the town with its water releases ..

Well, I didn't come up with the name. And depth measurements, fairways, etc. there are on pilot charts, on the ru-tracker they are lying around - "Navigational Atlas of the Unified Deep-Sea System 2.69 GB"
As a rule, people take from these cards what is closer to them - for fishing (in my region the Gulf of Finland and Ladoga are quoted, I don’t know about Gorodets - I didn’t fish).

[seamen2]

I'm talking about transport. used to drive barges through Gorodets. the most popular ships suddenly became the Soviet bulk carriers Omsk, which can take a full load in order to pass through a single shallow water. the ships of the new construction go with an underload, if on the river. plus a lock system. and she's vulnerable. which was proved by the famous * dam destroyers * 80 years ago in Germany.

[faterdom]

A steam locomotive with a red star?
Yes, he is a communist, and, of course, an agent of Putin and Zyuganov!

[neworange88]

As they say, our train is on a siding.
And what does it look like.

. The head of Ukrainian Railways (the so-called Ukrzaliznytsia) Oleksandr Kamyshin said today that the company’s management “has a plan B in case of large-scale problems associated with the defeat of the electric power infrastructure.

Surrender? As they say in time to betray means to foresee, not to betray.

[dmi.pris1]

He is a fool. To operate steam locomotives, infrastructure is also needed, and a lot of it. Loading with water, fuel .. And people who can operate it.

[mr.Man]

A steam locomotive with a red star?

Usually red, but here gold)))
Hero Star?

[Fisherman]

he subtly alludes to a fallback called "SURRENDER!"

[poquello]

"Plan B" involves a transition from locomotives that use electricity to move, to diesel locomotives.
so the sea grain carrier may end, not everything can be imported to Odessa under this tune

[Alien From]

I remember there was an article on VO about steam locomotives, the point was that now this is not possible. Unfortunately I can't post a link. in the end, fuck them, not locomotive traction!

[Ulan.1812]

Quote: Alien From

I remember there was an article on VO about steam locomotives, the point was that now this is not possible. Unfortunately I can't post a link. in the end, fuck them, not locomotive traction!

It was so. The maximum that they can provide with locomotive traction is retro excursions.
A couple of retro trains.

[paul3390]

No, maybe - but hemorrhoids .. The locomotive needs water and coal. Not - of course, you can add a hose and some kind of conveyor belt, but still not that .. Especially if there is no electricity for them. Coal must be delivered to all stations, but how? And where to get it? Store somewhere, there are no bulk bunkers and overpasses for a long time .. Again - there are no electronics on steam locomotives, which means manual movement control. And finally - where to get spare parts for them?

[Alien From]

That's exactly what the article was about!)) In my opinion, the Leader of the Redskins wrote, even several articles!)

[Ravik]

It remains to put a machine gun on the cart and write - hit the whites until they turn red, hit the reds until they turn white ...

[Cat Alexandrovich]

... "in case of large-scale problems" ...
It turns out that there are no such problems so far. And they whistle to us that all the railway problems of Ukraine are almost, almost solved!

[Boycott]

Do you believe everything that they write on the network, or only one side? The question is rhetorical, of course, but your comment is very strange if you include logic.

[Veter5757]

Find this very Ukrzaliznytsia in the TG and look. They provide information on passenger trains about delays, route changes, etc. It is clear that there are problems, but not as often as we would like.

[Fedor Sokolov]

This photo should be sent to print for a new Ukrposhta postage stamp, it will be more interesting than with the Crimean Bridge, oh, the steam locomotive is of course a real rarity and legend, back in the first half of the 20th century.

[Ulan.1812]

By the way, the locomotive against which this miracle in feathers was photographed is NARROW GAUGE.

[Aerodrome]

Quote: Ulan.1812

By the way, the locomotive against which this miracle in feathers was photographed is NARROW GAUGE.

this is how we dragged shift workers ...

[Ulan.1812]

In my opinion, in the film "Girls" This was filmed. There was also a narrow gauge railway.

[Fantazer911]

So it seems to be assigned to the children's railway, or a museum exhibit

[Ulan.1812]

It would be better to take a picture against the background of a diesel locomotive. Or didn't turn up?

[Alexga]

Absolutely right, a narrow gauge steam locomotive of the GR series, they seem to have been made in Germany, this was once on the Children's Railway in Minsk.

[Aerodrome]

Quote: AlexGa

Absolutely right, a narrow gauge steam locomotive of the GR series, they seem to have been made in Germany, this was once on the Children's Railway in Minsk.

"convicts" were dragged to the plots ...

[Mavrikiy]

The head of the state-owned company, who announced the existence of an alternative plan for the railways of Ukraine, was photographed against the backdrop of a steam locomotive

Lying. The locomotives were sold for scrap. Photo at the museum steam locomotive.

[ASM]

Well, steam locomotives can certainly be launched, only, as far as I know, water refills are extremely limited, coal warehouses are at a great distance from railway stations, and most importantly, it is very dangerous, because most of them did not pass the required regulations and were not certified by technical supervision. In general, on the road, only on the flea road.

[Viktor Sergeev]

Well, the 21st century is in the yard, in the EU 17, and Ukraine is moving towards Kievan Rus, so beloved by them.

[Bingo]

So far, this is the plan of P. Parovoz. Plan B is barge haulers.

[Arkady007]

Just right for Zele to go to the G20 SUMMIT, to make a report on ecology.

[rocket757]

The head of the state-owned company, who announced the existence of an alternative plan for the railways of Ukraine, was photographed against the backdrop of a steam locomotive

. And the steam locomotive is Soviet, with a star !!!
He is a keeper, in a word.

[VictorVictor]

Quote from seamen2

* At the same time, a number of military experts suggested striking at locomotive depots with diesel locomotives and electric locomotives, so that the logistics of transporting weapons became more and more difficult for the Armed Forces of Ukraine *.
but who listens to these experts. wow, what did the wise guys think.

For the whole of Ukraine there are about 1900 draft pieces of iron. Of these, more than 1,5 thousand are electric locomotives. And no more than 300 locomotives. At the same time, it must be taken into account that the West and South of the lagoon are not electrified, therefore, work for diesel locomotives is only there. And how to carry on the remaining almost 20 thousand kilometers? Enough for all these thermals? The locomotives need to be restored. Our metal detectors are no worse than Ukrainian ones. There is little left, and the missing must be made somewhere. Train the teams. And, most importantly, to return the control system of the piece of iron to the level of 40 years. For automation, communications, and control of turnouts work remotely, with the help of electricity. There used to be wands. dropped at stations and caught by others on the move, giving the right to take the haul. And recruit a staff of switchmen, translating them manually. Not only at stations, but also on hauls. And there they need to build some kind of kennels, after all, they were demolished a long time ago with a transfer to automation.

[Bingo]

Quote: ViktorVictor

And recruit a staff of switchmen

It's not a problem to get these

[ycuce234-san]

Quote: ViktorVictor

Enough for all these thermals?

You can start converting cargo trucks and tractors into locomobiles and railcars - there are many original vehicles and they will become the "Marne taxis" of the railway.

[Tusv]

And in Soviet times, there were Steam Depots. Periodically, they were even launched so that they would not stagnate. True, I saw this miracle in 1983 in the village of Vozhega, Vologda province

[Normal]

There is no and never was and never will be any Ukraine. All Sumeria was created artificially, and rebuilt by Russian engineers and Russian people.

[bandabas]

Well, diesel fuel is still being received, I hope this lafa will end like this. Here is an ember, if it itchs, where will they take it from?

[forty-eighth]

transition from locomotives used electric power for propulsion

Editions:
Using, not used

[Fedor Sokolov]

Our engine, fly forward.
There is a stop in the commune.
There is no other way for us—
We have a rifle in our hands. (Text of the song Soviet songs - Our locomotive flies forward).

[Fangaro]

And the operating, and carrying the goods that the Armed Forces need, the steam locomotive does not count?
If there is a hero who eliminates the general of the Armed Forces of Ukraine with a brick, will we also ridicule him?
The goal is important. And what kind of transport - it does not matter. If we are defeated on locomotives, we will be more ashamed. (

[former soldier]

Against the backdrop of a cart drawn by bulls, it would be better.

[tralflot1832]

Childhood memories inspired me. We went with my father to Kaliningrad somewhere in the Baltic States, at the turn I saw that our train was pulling a steam locomotive, probably 1970. Wow, progress in Ukraine, on a steam locomotive forward, to the EU.

[mad big]

It takes six to eight hours to fire up a steam locomotive.

[nellyjuri]

Their locomotive flies forward. Stop in the toilet.

[Voenoboz]

And why the star was not removed, it's Russian symbols. Forks must be or EU drawing.

[Vladimir100]

This is the symbolism of the ancient Near East.

[Andrei Nikolaevich]

Our steam locomotive fly ahead, at EUROPE there is a stop. We have no other way, we have vyshyvanka in our hands.))

[Bear]

Steam locomotives ran out in the 90s, ran out. If before that there was a "strategic reserve", then now it is not, definitely not.

[Denis812]

fu, what a communist steam locomotive. I think it needs to be decommunized!

[VictorVictor]

Quote: ycuce234-san

Quote: ViktorVictor

Enough for all these thermals?

You can start converting cargo trucks and tractors into locomobiles and railcars - there are many original vehicles and they will become the "Marne taxis" of the railway.

Then it should have been done ten years ago. You are talking about a country where production is established, like in a pharmacy. But there is a completely different situation. For example, we at the plant, (in 1980) mass-produced 77 products. Equipment (molds, dies, conductors for welding, for assembly, automatic adjustments, and so on ... there were about 20 thousand pieces.) If at least one name tells you. what THIS IS, then you will immediately feel ashamed. For your ignorance. And the second example is a mold for casting metal under pressure on a fluid coupling, the tool was made by YEAR. According to THAT money, it cost 7 thousand rubles. A sort of block of special steel the size of two desks placed side by side. There is a lot of handmade metal work. I don't think that today's technology in Ukraine allows the use of super technologies. And, on top of your projector, a tractor with a hundred-horsepower engine, to which wagon wheels are attached, will pull a train of 2000 tons? Pulling short trains is a hundred times more difficult to manage.

[VictorVictor]

Quote from Bingo

Quote: ViktorVictor

And recruit a staff of switchmen

It's not a problem to get these

Will you sign up as a volunteer? They need tens of thousands across the country. Imagine - HOW MANY people who want to rush to this job - a reservation from the draft. Hurry, these positions will be bought for huge money. The money received for two or three transfers a day is ridiculous, but this is not what people will bring here.

[Revolver]

The steam locomotive is great. It's romantic. But what to heat it with? Coal mines are in the Donbass. There is also little hope for firewood, 404 in the steppe zone. Except with dung.

[Sergeant_Soviet_Army]

M-yes, what is called sunk to the handle. And there is no coal either, with which steam locomotives will be heated, probably with dung.

[PC]

Well, schirye, jumped? Are you switching completely to firewood? But just do it is necessary to strike at the depot with diesel locomotives. Let them walk.

[VictorVictor]

Quote: Nyrobsky

Quote: RealPilot

And how to heat steam locomotives? Reeds! You give harvesting of reeds in all swamps... For locomotives. The director knows.

Fuck what. For a steam locomotive, any fuel capable of turning water into steam is suitable. There are examples in history when steam locomotives were drowned with dried fish. It's just that there are some points that make their application difficult, namely the presence of the accompanying infrastructure. Previously, every 25 - 30 km of the railway haul there were points for replenishing coal and water, which, as the tender was empty, filled up and topped up coal and water. It's just that if you take the old railway map, then the intermediate stations stood at this distance from each other, which were closed as the steam locomotives were retired. Again, the question is how many steam locomotives are left in working order and how many specialists are there who can reanimate these fire-breathing horses. From 1980 to 1984, I worked at the railway depot as a locksmith and assistant locomotive driver, so at that time we had only two mammoth locksmiths who knew the locomotive maintenance regulations.

Steam locomotives can also be heated with furniture. Better than the old, wooden, varnished. Chipboard does not burn well.

[Carlos Hall]

It would be better to take pictures with a cart of mules.

[VictorVictor]

Quote: ycuce234-san

Quote: ViktorVictor

Enough for all these thermals?

You can start converting cargo trucks and tractors into locomobiles and railcars - there are many original vehicles and they will become the "Marne taxis" of the railway.

"Diesel locomotives, at the moment, quite a lot of types of diesel locomotives are operated on the railways of Russia, the main ones in freight traffic: 2M62 - a two-section diesel locomotive with a diesel power of 2000 hp, in a section, multiply by two, we get 4000 hp; 2TE10L, V, M and 2TE116 with a diesel power of 3000 hp, in the section, multiply by two, we get 6000 hp, diesel locomotives of the TE10 series were also built in a three-section version - 3TE10M, multiply by three, we already get 9000 hp ., and even in a four-section version -4TE10S (worked on Bama) and we already get 12000hp Not bad, really!"

And, now, fade away from shame for your writings.

[Tarasios]

Oh, just yesterday I was in Kyiv, I saw a real steam locomotive) "Works as a monument" on Rizhskaya Street)

[Voronezh]

However, for some reason they did not change the red star for their pitchfork

[Roust]

As you call the ship, so it will go. Ukrzaliznytsya.. Ugh, you forelock locomotive.

[Real Pilot]

Quote: Nyrobsky

Quote: RealPilot

And how to heat steam locomotives? Reeds! You give harvesting of reeds in all swamps... For locomotives. The director knows.

Fuck what. For a steam locomotive, any fuel capable of turning water into steam is suitable. There are examples in history when steam locomotives were drowned with dried fish. It's just that there are some points that make their application difficult, namely the presence of the accompanying infrastructure. Previously, every 25 - 30 km of the railway haul there were points for replenishing coal and water, which, as the tender was empty, filled up and topped up coal and water. It's just that if you take the old railway map, then the intermediate stations stood at this distance from each other, which were closed as the steam locomotives were retired. Again, the question is how many steam locomotives are left in working order and how many specialists are there who can reanimate these fire-breathing horses. From 1980 to 1984, I worked at the railway depot as a locksmith and assistant locomotive driver, so at that time we had only two mammoth locksmiths who knew the locomotive maintenance regulations.

Thanks a lot, that's an interesting explanation.

[Yuri Ershov]

All depots have a fuel depot where diesel locomotives are equipped. ,, Mopeds" in warehouses (Russian Railways has had diagrams of their locations since the time of the Ministry of Railways) and that's it.

[Expert2017]

Or maybe easier on diesel locomotives? You don't have to look for anything.)

[Vladimir100]

Attacks on power plants, boiler houses and oil depots seem to have stopped again, giving the Khokh-Lama an opportunity to repair the damage and find workarounds.

[Expert2017]

Cool. But the Geraniums are already flying))) So it won't work.

[APASUS]

It turns out interesting, here you can use the Soviet legacy and it is normal, like factories, factories, power plants. Everything soviet turns out to be good.

[Augustine]

Idiot damn this head ... I personally know that locomotive drivers can be crossed on the fingers of two hands, who will run them in? And who will agree to be a stoker from the team? Such a howl will rise they do not yet know

[Alexfly]

Where will they buy pellets? Or will all hope for foreign countries help us?

[iouris]

Is there a stop in the commune? Or slip through the commune? Even steam locomotives - and those communist ones. What is the ancient civilization here?