Governors against the generals of the Ministry of Defense

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Governors against the generals of the Ministry of Defense
Oleg Nikolaevich Kozhemyako, Governor of Primorsky Krai (Photo: https://t.me/kozhemiakoofficial)


Many were excited, and many were outraged by the letter of the Far Eastern Marines ... to their governor. There were those who removed numbers and surnames from the letter (just in case), there were those who published it as it is.



We will give the letters "as is", because some things require analysis and understanding in order to draw the right conclusions.

“Dear Oleg Nikolaevich. The Marines of the 155th Marine Brigade are addressing you. Once again, we were thrown into an incomprehensible offensive by General Muradov and his korefan fellow countryman Akhmedov in order for Muradov to earn bonuses over Gerasimov, and Muradov promised Akhmedov the “Hero of Russia”. As a result, we and the marines of Kamchatka are advancing on Pavlovka. As a result of the "carefully" planned offensive by the "great generals", we lost about 4 people in 300 days killed, wounded and missing. 50 percent technology. This is just our team.

The command of the district, together with Akhmedov, hide this and underestimate the official figures of losses, fearing responsibility. How they were going to capture the settlement, slipping through the landings, in which the enemy remained, now destroying ours on the routes of evacuation of the wounded and the supply of ammunition. In addition, Pavlovka is lower than Ugledar, from which they hit us. Oleg Nikolaevich, Primorye people! How long will such mediocrity as Muradov and Akhmedov plan military operations for the sake of their reports and receive awards at the cost of the lives of so many people.

They don't care about anything, just to show themselves. They call people meat. We ask you to turn to the Supreme to send a commission not from the Ministry of Defense, where Muradov is protected by Gerasimov, but an independent one. Let them be asked the purpose of such actions, their provision and the results without embellishment. How much can you endure!”

The information contained in the letter will definitely be dealt with by the relevant authorities, the Primorye Governor Kozhemyako promised to move. We will not discuss the numbers, we will not discuss the “rollups” against the generals simply because the numbers need to be dealt with on the spot, and there are also quite a few questions regarding Generals Akhmedov and Muradov.

There is almost no information on Akhmedov, but enough on Muradov to draw certain conclusions. The track record is decent. And, since such a situation has gone, it is worth first of all to check the source of information regarding the "conspiracy" of generals Muradov and Akhmedov. Agree, it is doubtful that they talked on the parade ground in front of the formation? Then it is quite possible to apply the relevant articles of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation to the author of the information quite naturally.

In general, there are many questions to the Marines' letter. But let them be asked by those whose level allows them to be asked as part of official investigations. Moreover, information has already passed that the losses were somewhat overestimated. This was again said by Kozhemyako, who, oddly enough, has more faith than the "officials" of the Ministry of Defense.

Almost for the first time, military personnel who wanted to achieve justice turned not to higher authorities, but to the governor


It is quite possible that a very peculiar such precedent is being born before our eyes, from which there may be quite positive consequences.

On the one hand, what is a governor? This is the highest official of the executive branch of the subject of the Russian Federation. That is, a specific person who works in the interests of the citizens of a particular region.

As practice has shown, if there is an intelligent governor in the region, then even mobilization can take place without the idiocy inherent in the work of military registration and enlistment offices. Yes, it's a little strange, but the military registration and enlistment office, which belongs to the Ministry of Defense, is still located on the territory of a particular region and works with citizens of this region.

You know, a comparison with the landowners of that past Russia came to mind. Tyrants or not, but they were obliged to manage the economy properly, otherwise they were threatened with ruin.

Approximately in the same way, some governors, on the wave of indignation and unrest that began, quickly realized that it makes sense to take the coordination of the same mobilization into their own hands and at least try to smooth out the consequences of the poorly organized work of the military registration and enlistment offices.

It makes sense to note that some governors frankly succeeded in this. And for the residents of Udmurtia, Buryatia, the Kursk region (where the governor Starovoit really rushed about like a madman), the Tyumen and Tula regions and the Krasnodar Territory. In the last two governors really did not let the military commissars relax, and in general in these regions a lot of attention was paid to the mobilized. In the Belgorod region, there are also a minimum of complaints against the governor, although what the Belgorod military commissar did - in principle, at the level of Primorye and Magadan colleagues.


Roman Starovoit (center) (Photo: gubernator_46 / Telegram)

But so that our Ministry of Defense defended Kherson in such a way as it stood up like a mountain for the crooked military commissars.

In any case, the citizens have a new beacon - this is the governor. To whom, as it turned out, you can turn for help and get it. This is a big plus that the governors began to descend from the height of their political Olympus on a regional scale to the citizens of their regions.

In modern life it is not as easy as it seems.

It's just wonderful that the governors were able to appreciate their role in the lives of the citizens of the regions at such a time.

Of course, the fact that the Primorye fighters showed complete disbelief in their superiors speaks volumes. But, on the other hand, who today believes the information coming from the Ministry of Defense?

Another question is that here there was distrust of the command and the brigade-divisional level, but this is a completely different alignment, which indicates that everything is somewhat worse than we would like.

As a result, the governor went into battle for his citizens, clarified the situation, I think that the investigation will put everything in its place.

Yes, it happened in two ways. But do not forget what mobilized citizens can easily face in their military life. From neglect to outright humiliation.

Therefore, these people simply need to be respected. At least for the fact that they will take Bakhmut, and not Upper Lars. Live (unlike the bulk of the generals) in the frozen dugouts of the South-East of the former Ukraine and fight.

That's who should be respected, and not our arrogant generals, who think only about how to quickly and painlessly hang another devalued trinket on their chests. Paid for with the blood of the mobilized.

In this regard, the governor, who has the right to apply directly to the President as a representative of a subject of the Federation, is somewhat more profitable than the army authorities, who may not yet go upstairs. Nobody canceled the instinct of self-preservation, especially in the modern Russian army. And as members of the Federation Council, the governors are also very significant people.

The only question is how much this is generally necessary for the governors themselves. But - it turned out that it was necessary. Who for what reasons, but the fact that the Kursk governor Roman Starovoit and his Belgorod counterpart Vyacheslav Gladkov are in the same trenches and ruins with their voters is an undeniable fact and does not require proof. And in such conditions, the governors quickly realized that the support of the population is not based on rallies and other noisy events, much more political points can be earned by simply supporting the inhabitants of their regions. That is, the normal performance of their duties.


Vyacheslav Gladkov left for the shelled village of Golovchino (Photo: t.me/vvgladkov)

Of course, “setting up” the work of military registration and enlistment offices, checking and arranging the life of those mobilized at temporary deployment points and training centers, re-equipping - this, as it were, was definitely not the responsibility of the governors, but here’s the thing - many managed, and coped more than adequately.

But the enemy did not sleep either


And already had to face opposition from the enemy. As recently as November 6, a group of my countrymen, several dozen in number, came to the governor, having fallen for a fake message on the Web that the “battalion of those mobilized from Voronezh” had been defeated by the valiant Armed Forces of Ukraine, literally a tenth of 300 people remained and other horrors.

Governor Gusev promised to do everything possible to find out how things were going, but everything stalled at the moment of the "Voronezh battalion". There was no such formation and could not be, since the formations were company formations and were sent as they were trained in the unit in the same way, by companies. There was no battalion formation. And when it became known that people with such surnames as “informants”, who were referred to by channels screaming for help, were not called up from Voronezh, everything fell into place.

Is it possible to put forward claims here against the residents of Voronezh, who rushed to the governor for the truth on the weekend? No. One can only applaud Gusev (which I have never done, I confess), who rushed to work and began to do everything possible to calm people down.

It is necessary to dig in a completely different direction. The topic of the press service of the Ministry of Defense comes up again. They don’t answer, they don’t tell, and everything is fine with them.

From here, people go to the "cart" and there ... And there the guys from the CIPSO are already waiting for them, who, I must say, work just fine. I would very much like to say this about the Ministry of Defense, but ... Yes, they recently accomplished a feat there: 8 months after the start of the war, they nevertheless decided to create an official telegram channel. Indeed, a feat. That's just zero sense from him, because there Konashenkov will still tell us fairy tales about "about 40 destroyed mercenaries from Poland."

Information mockery of people has been going on for more than eight months. What else do you expect gentlemen? I would even find it difficult to predict how many people in the country watch the program “Visiting a fairy tale” from Igor Evgenievich, but I see that it is no longer possible to meet it in telegram channels as often as before.

The people appreciated the honesty and openness of the Ministry of Defense, and therefore chose for themselves a new way of solving problems. Governors.

There is something about it… The governor is his own, local. And the Ministry of Defense is in Moscow, and it is somewhat expensive to look for the truth there. Yes, and you will find it - it will be something like “an official statement on a letter from the Marines” from the Ministry of Defense:

"Units of the 155th Marine Brigade of the Pacific fleet for more than 10 days they have been conducting effective offensive operations in the Uludar direction.

Due to the competent actions of the commanders of the units, the losses of the Marines over this period do not exceed 1% of the combat strength and 7% of the wounded, a significant part of which have already returned to duty.

At the same time, enemy losses along the line of combat contact of the brigade average 7 to 1, and in some areas 9 to 1 in people and equipment.


At the same time, according to all textbooks on military affairs, the usual ratio of losses during offensive operations, advancing to defenders, is 3 to 1. But in the reports of our generals, everything looks like this ...

Meanwhile, the Ukrainian telegram channels are full, and ours are starting to fill up with videos from copters showing the destruction of equipment (and not only equipment) of the Russian army in the Pavlovka area. And after watching, somehow you yourself understand that 1% there doesn’t just smell, it smells like another spreading noodles performed by our Ministry of Defense.

Well, what to do, if only gentlemen generals have mastered lies and parades ... There is nothing to do. It remains to rely only on the governors. No one will bring more truth, this is obvious.

But you know, there is a rational grain in this. Every soldier is not only a soldier, but also a citizen. Replacing a passport with a military ID does not make him a gladiator, it does not deprive him of his citizenship. The fact that our eternally lying generals can find a short cut in the face of the governors - this can and should be welcomed. And look more closely at who you are going to vote for, asking yourself the question, will this governor fly / go to the other side of the earth, as Kozhemyako did, to look at how and under what conditions his citizens are fighting? Or how will my Gusev (governor of the Voronezh region) hang out with the generals and not even come out to the mobilized?

The governor, it turns out, is a very important part of our lives, especially when it gets hot. It’s a pity, only that we have hundreds of generals, and only 87 governors.
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  1. +27
    8 November 2022 05: 37
    It's a mess, everyone should mind their own business. The guys about whom there are disputes do not serve on Mars. It was enough to get to their location to the same Sladkov and make a report. The Marines, I think, would not be afraid to tell the truth, it may be true that someone misrepresented everything.
    1. +38
      8 November 2022 07: 14
      1. The king-father should be beaten with his forehead, and not the governor-viceroy (s)
      2. And what kind of justice does the author write? Capitalism outside the window.
      3. Soldiers' riot? Who allowed?
      4. The damned Bolsheviks introduced universal literacy to the misfortune of the generals.
      1. +2
        8 November 2022 10: 57
        and they also shot both officers and privates for desertion and alarmism ... here is the moment in the balance. not to mention the fact that there is a letter and that's it ....
      2. +1
        8 November 2022 13: 54
        "But the Secret Service informs in the dossier,
        Mr. General, they THINK everything "(C)
      3. +12
        8 November 2022 15: 31
        Quote: Bayun
        Well, what to do, if only gentlemen generals have mastered lies and parades ... There is nothing to do.

        "Perestroika" exacerbated the spirit of the "ensign in stripes." At least - within the Moscow region and regional centers, there are only "SUVs", which are the least adapted to the true purpose of the general as a military leader. Bathhouses, girls, hunting - here they are talented. And if there are also children, abroad, then ...
        Only the enemy near Moscow or in front of the Urals can change anything. It is terrible to think how many people must die until this pack shows its full essence, until the Suvorovs and Zhukovs make their way to their rightful places.
        1. +13
          8 November 2022 17: 16
          "Bathhouses, girls, hunting - here they are talented." If only this, and the dog with him. beautiful life is not forbidden. But the lively creative thought of the lampers goes much further, in their toadying they reach the point of absurdity. In the summer, a naval parade was held in St. Petersburg, in which Putin participated. To appease the feelings of the commander-in-chief of some, I’m not afraid of this word, the admiral came up with the idea to pull the Severodvinsk nuclear submarine from the northern fleet to the outer Kronstadt raid (do not come closer). No sooner said than done. In front of the astonished Scandinavians and NATO officers, the boat successfully overcame the narrowness of the Sound and got into the roadstead, from where it was not visible even from Kronstadt, people went to Privetninskoye (70 km from St. Petersburg, it was visible through binoculars). Everything so that His Majesty on the admiral's boat proceeded with a breeze, shouted into the mouthpiece "hello, comrades", heard in response woof-woof-woof. And safely departed home. I wonder how much this idea cost, including the snow-white uniforms of the sailors, how many boatswains' matyukov was said so that the uniform would sit.
        2. +1
          9 November 2022 02: 42
          Well, how would you like it? Suvorovs and Zhukovs are born in battles. And when everything is peaceful, how do you check, how do you know if he is an intelligent commander, or is he only able to report?
          I had such a familiar officer. He was good at reporting. So he made his way to big tops in a certain area.
          On the other hand, it is also necessary to be able to report competently
          1. +2
            9 November 2022 13: 18
            Quote: Just a guest
            I had such a familiar officer. He was good at reporting. So he made his way to big tops in a certain area.

            Another option for climbing the career ladder. I had such an officer I knew from my lieutenant days, he got everyone with his stupidity, but there was nothing to complain about in the service. Everything is according to the charter, discipline is on top. To get rid of him, they sent him to the academy, from there he went higher, got to the post of colonel, but remained the same sheep. Everywhere he was pushed out for promotion, if only to send him away from himself.
            1. +1
              10 November 2022 13: 22
              Well, not without it, alas.
              I know such cases.
              And others - when an intelligent officer is not allowed to move just because who will let an intelligent officer go?
              But, I really want to believe that these are more exceptions than the rule.
        3. -1
          9 November 2022 13: 46
          Or maybe start with the "reanimation" of the spirit and letter of Lavrenty Pavlovich? Do you also see the new Zhukovs and Suvorovs "crystallize" in the process of so-called "natural selection"?
      4. 0
        9 November 2022 10: 31
        So there is no king yet .. "I command!" no one to tell. Everything is empty..
    2. +33
      8 November 2022 08: 13
      Here the trend itself is interesting, which for some reason passes by attention, namely: the Kremlin, all serious and unpopular decisions began to hang on the regional authorities. For what? Yes, everything is simple - to, on occasion, stand aside and say: "What? It's not us, it's all of them, but we, nothing to do with it ..." Yes wink
      1. +21
        8 November 2022 08: 31
        The top military-political leadership is assembled by the method of negative selection. They just can't work effectively. The governors and their apparatuses are simply forced to recruit more or less adequate people, a lot of work “on the ground”.
        What I write about is clear to many. The fact that the generals consist entirely of conscious and not conscious pests is obvious, even more so in the army. Therefore, soldiers and junior officers address their governors as more or less adequate people.
        The country needs a lustration of the top military-political leadership. Dismiss the entire general staff, imprison a large proportion, thin out the ranks of lieutenant colonels. This is better than working with outright pests, now those subjects with general stars who work for the enemy take advantage of the weak mental capabilities of the rest.
        1. +4
          8 November 2022 10: 00
          Quote from cold wind
          The top military-political leadership is assembled by the method of negative selection.

          if the country decided to survive, and masturbation ... that is, the leadership also wants to save the country, in our time, it is enough to analyze the networks, where, unfortunately, there is everything about our generals, relations and merits. arbat-on-arbat.
        2. 0
          8 November 2022 10: 11
          Quote from cold wind
          now those subjects with general stars who work for the enemy use weak mental abilities the rest
          that is, you propose to remove the smart enemies of the generals and appoint fools in their place?
          But.....
        3. 0
          8 November 2022 14: 55
          And it needs to start with you and nothing else.
      2. +24
        8 November 2022 10: 09
        And the damned inventors came up with the Internet, social networks, whatsapps and so on. And now, as before, when everything is covered, it no longer rolls.
        What many generals and officials cannot get used to.
        1. +2
          8 November 2022 21: 31
          Yes, sometimes there is a feeling that our leadership is really stuck in the 85th year that way. When there was no Internet, no smart and at the same time reliable and compact electronics, but there were two superpowers in the face of the USA and the USSR.
          Well, nothing. Firstly, those who are no longer afraid of anything will come from the NMD, and they will defend in the army the methods of waging a modern war in front of anyone, even in front of Shoigu, even in front of Putin. Secondly, another 20 years, and the generation of leaders who remember the Union will go into decline. Those who either didn’t see him at all or saw him, but at the level of “I remember, in the 90th, my mother bought ice cream there,” will come.
          1. +1
            9 November 2022 15: 32
            Quote: Plate
            they will defend in the army the methods of waging a modern war in front of anyone, even in front of Shoigu, even in front of Putin
            , if they are allowed at least within the line of sight.
      3. +1
        9 November 2022 09: 55
        Well, we are on this very one, like her, and, I remembered - the Constitution, the federal state, so "we eat it all with a full spoon"
      4. +2
        9 November 2022 11: 13
        You're right. But there is a nuance. Governors who have felt their power sooner or later will put questions to the Kremlin, which it will have to answer. From my point of view, the Kremlin has already burned so much that they decided to mobilize, the fear of the fate of Gaddafi overcame the fear of receiving from their armed people. It was 18 - 20 year old boys, recruits, who could shut their mouths. But for mature men who will later return and start asking the same questions, you can’t hang noodles on your ears. So this pose like we have nothing to do with it is a temporary phenomenon.
    3. -4
      8 November 2022 11: 27
      It is quite possible that a very peculiar such precedent is being born before our eyes, from which there may be quite positive consequences.

      — This is the Army! There is subordination and Charter! There is an order for the sake of all that is holy!!! There is unity!

      —-Now father-mother-zavtorg will be intermediaries with commanders... maybe the soldiers' committees and the election of commanders as "positive consequences" ..?

      —-Such vicious practice corrupts the Army, turns it into an uncontrollable crowd saturated with defeatism.
      1. -10
        8 November 2022 14: 00
        The article is ANTI-STATE in its purest form ... A kind of insidious approach: look at the top command staff - "idiot pests", and the "bright princes" governors - well done.

        The author of the material should be carefully checked. The article is clearly in the line of the adversary on the dismemberment of the Russian Federation. And such a position in Rus' seems to be a criminal offense.

        It's time to revive the Political Police. Dissent - yes, please! But without "heterology", especially in wartime.
        1. -7
          8 November 2022 14: 37
          The goal of all these quirks, on the other hand, is very clearly visible: to discredit the military and political leadership in Moscow, transferring the solution of issues of its competence to the regions. The center seems to be far from solving the problems of military personnel called up from their area. People put pressure on the governors, they come into conflict first with the military, and then with the political leadership in Moscow. We will see many more such messages - this is an effective way to dismember Russia. And it's already sprouting. Therefore, it is clearly not worth dragging out the military operation, waiting for some kind of negotiations. Their goal is the dismemberment and destruction of Russia.
          1. +3
            9 November 2022 11: 21
            Most of all, the army was discredited by the sleepy appearance of the entire Chief of the General Staff, First Deputy Minister of Defense Gerasimov, during exercises in the Far East, during the beginning of the drape from near Kharkov. What was this miracle doing there? Warmed the carcass near the Supreme? This talent was supposed to day and night and lead the Ukrainian direction. One reindeer breeder would be enough near the king.
        2. +9
          8 November 2022 16: 11
          What is it, my friend, are you going against the party line? You indirectly accuse comrade. Putin in the dismemberment of the Russian Federation - what does the author have to do with it? The President gave. governors with full power to declare a state of emergency, fight the coronavirus, provide and even support the mobilization army. Naturally, the governors should worry about where their human resources - "New Oil" - are being spent.
          And really, where did the unity of command go, why should some small fry should answer, and not Surovikin and Shoigu with the supreme commander in chief, or is it really a mess in the army - Wagners, Strauss, Dnerovites, Cossacks, volunteers, only the women's battalion was not enough and support units with women with reduced social responsibility
          1. 0
            8 November 2022 19: 30
            [i] From the parties, no matter how they were called
            We will not create supports.
            We are also alien to their sorrows,
            As we and our destinies them. (C)[/i
      2. +10
        8 November 2022 14: 45
        How beautifully said! What pressure, calmness and expression!! And, adnaznachna, there is a charter in the army, moreover, I would say - CHARTER !!!
        Which, oddly enough, for some reason does not interfere, sorry, to plunder, let's say, state property, does not interfere with making ... individual representatives of the command, to put it mildly, ... strange decisions, and much more does not interfere. Moreover, in the same CHARTER a lot of things are spelled out about how military operations and other ..... everyday activities should be conducted .... And all this does not interfere in any way ... with some representatives ..... command and plunder , and give .... strange orders, etc. etc. And all the structures designed to control the aforementioned are doing something... From just now?
        And who then
        disintegrates the Army, turns it into an uncontrollable crowd saturated with defeatism.
        1. -5
          9 November 2022 03: 19
          Do you have specific data? Who stole, where stole, how much stole? Then wellcome to the prosecutor's office. Not? All this from the region - plundered the country? Who plundered? Did you loot? Come on, tell us how many nails were stolen from work? What? Not nails? And what? They poked paper and carried public coffee in their pockets home? Then please also look into the prosecutor's office. As they say, with sincere recognition. Well, tell me more about your slander. Because all your words about theft without evidence are slander. which is subject to criminal liability.
          1. +2
            9 November 2022 08: 51
            I love the champions of specificity and, of course, justice. Did you ask your question to retired lieutenant general and State Duma deputy Andrei Gurulev? He spoke specifically for, according to him, the stolen one and a half million sets of uniforms. And How? Did he answer you? If he slandered, then where is the reaction of those slandered?
            And so - read the act of transferring the People's Commissariat of Defense in 1940 from the fiery Bolshevik and hero of the civil war Voroshilov to the no less fiery Bolshevik Timoshenko. And compare with the current state of affairs. By the way, there, too, no one accused anyone of slander and did not look into the prosecutor's office. Then the order was...
            1. +1
              9 November 2022 13: 31
              Quote: frog
              If he slandered, then where is the reaction of those slandered?

              And who should react? He didn't name anyone in particular either. ALL rear men plundered property and that's it.
              1. 0
                9 November 2022 13: 39
                Well, tell me more about your slander. Because all your words about theft without evidence are slander. which is subject to criminal liability.

                This is what another sufferer for "order" outlined. I did not begin to explain to the patient what is written in the Criminal Code with slander, due to the obviousness of the question)).
            2. -1
              10 November 2022 13: 38
              That's exactly what was stolen, according to him. According to him they were, according to him they were stolen. Gurulev is a conjuncturer. He says what voters, Skabeeva and others, even hear from him.
              Honored the act. Here is just a link to the text of the act for some reason leads to a ukrokhokhlyatsky site. Which we, in Russia, fortunately, does not open.
              And you need to be more careful with the assessment of historical figures. Russophobic ears and climb. They can get banned.
    4. PC
      +9
      8 November 2022 13: 09
      If the civilian governor begins to solve the tasks that the generals should solve, then the question arises: to what bottom has the mess in the army reached?
      1. -1
        8 November 2022 21: 40
        We are moving towards the transformation into the USA. There, too, firstly, the States and, accordingly, their governors have fairly broad powers and, secondly, for all sorts of misunderstandings, they like to collect hearings in Congress. Here, hearings on military affairs at the Federal Assembly ...
        Russia in 91 wanted to turn into the States. This is how it turns. I just don't know who is worse off. Us or the States?
    5. 0
      8 November 2022 14: 15
      The complete military is a mess! Lot's of equipment is sold on the black market, Staff is not trained The only ones with experience are the mercenaries
      1. -3
        9 November 2022 03: 21
        A. And here are the owners of the site. They didn't even bother to change the language. Well, you've lost your conscience.
        1. +1
          9 November 2022 10: 22
          Well, you yourself wrote that they are the owners, and if they are the owners, then whom should they be ashamed of.
      2. 0
        11 December 2022 15: 38
        Yes I'm a Piece of shit.. Liar..
        The intellect is often hard to find, especially on this medium../internet I'm just saying follow your own dream Maybe it will come true... Have a wonderful day!
    6. 0
      12 November 2022 16: 09
      )))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))
      Polukhomu Sladkov needs it????? He is Shoigu's handshake, Sladkov will complicate his life ...
  2. +33
    8 November 2022 05: 41
    cold inside from all this, a mess.
    1. +16
      8 November 2022 05: 58
      It’s a pity, only that we have hundreds of generals, and only 87 governors.
      The governors have already begun to "resolve" the situation! Then maybe the generals are no longer needed? recourse
      1. 0
        8 November 2022 19: 43
        And there was a reasonable compromise in our history: General-Governors. True, for him, in the capital, it is not the acting of the Tsar that is needed, but the Sovereign.
  3. +50
    8 November 2022 06: 01
    Perhaps not the topic, but the formation of regional battalions, the Voronezh region, the Krasnodar Territory, etc. is underway. And why are battalions not formed from members of the United Russia, the Liberal Democratic Party, the Communist Party, etc. Where is the work of the youth movements "OUR", "Young Guard?" During the Civil War and the Great Patriotic War, communist battalions were formed. They were the most persistent on the fronts.
    1. +6
      8 November 2022 09: 05
      Where, where ..... During the Civil and Patriotic Party and the Komsomol were massive, but now what? In our entire city of 15 people, members of all (all together) parties are hardly 150 people. And the youthful movement, well, maybe 20-30 people. I doubt it's different in other cities. You do not equate the media world and reality.
      1. +4
        8 November 2022 21: 42
        And, in fact, why should young people participate in some youth organizations? Well, answer yourself. You sit quietly at home, study there or start building a career gradually ... in the evening you play different toys. What kind of youth organizations are there?
        1. 0
          9 November 2022 08: 55
          But don’t bother you already nostalgic for those epic times, let them remember ... And the oil of the tada was more oily, and the vodka was stronger, and the girls wink
          But at the same time, you can remind them of the "Kazans" and still ask where in the capital of the Soviet, unequivocally, Tataria there was a party and the Komsomol in this place)). Not to mention the fact that this was not only there ....
    2. +26
      8 November 2022 09: 06
      Yes, I represent a battalion of children of deputies of the State Duma, a battalion of children of members of the Federation Council, a battalion of children of oligarchs! The war would probably end immediately!
      1. +32
        8 November 2022 10: 24
        I'll tell you more: if the Russian oligarchs really defended the interests of Russia, the NWO would not even have begun. For lack of need.
        1. 0
          8 November 2022 21: 45
          No, something like this could start just because the Russian oligarchs finally decided to try to defend their (their, not Russia's) interests before the West. Those did not like this, and they tried to act with sanctions. But the Russian oligarchs then decided to break into the Western house by force on an equal footing and staged a SVO. Not in Ukraine, where else would they start kneading. Kazakhstan, the Baltic States, Belarus, the Kuriles, Korea... you can think of many places, actually.
          But it seems that the Russian oligarchs bucked up, starting the SVO, and then turned on the reflexes of worshiping their master. And in the end we rush back and forth. Either reflexes will win in them, then reason, and we are sitting here and commenting on something.
          1. +2
            8 November 2022 22: 25
            And we have different goals with the oligarchs. They have to increase (or at least save) billions of fortunes (remember the immortal "If you want to live, you won't grow up so much yet"?), with us - you can't move your mind in informational, to put it mildly, diversity. For our purpose (the mental safety of CIS citizens), the forums of the "Military Review" (thanks to him!) are quite suitable.
      2. +3
        8 November 2022 19: 02
        And 2 brigades of couch warriors... The war will end before they arrive at the front! This is a terrible force...
    3. +2
      8 November 2022 14: 48
      Where is the work of the youth movements "OUR", "Young Guard?"

      Hehe ... Do you recall the history of the mentioned organizations?) How did the whole thing eventually end?)))
    4. +5
      8 November 2022 15: 35
      The head of "ours" received a residence permit a few years ago and bought real estate in England. And as I understand it, he knows all his neighbors on the street by name and patronymic ...
      1. +3
        8 November 2022 15: 39
        Esssno. There, however, not only this, but also voiced quite characterizes this whole, sorry, caudle .....
    5. +1
      8 November 2022 16: 49
      Quote: parusnik
      And why are battalions not formed from members of the United Russia, the Liberal Democratic Party, the Communist Party, etc. Where is the work of the youth movements "OUR", "Young Guard?"

      As where ? In the nest... Well, you get the idea!
    6. +5
      8 November 2022 19: 45
      I can still see the inscription on the doors of the Duma: "The Duma is closed. Everyone has gone to the front!"
  4. +20
    8 November 2022 06: 22
    yeah, there's nothing good about it. the vertical that has been built for 20 years has staggered.
    when this whole movie is over, I think interesting details are waiting for us
    1. +11
      8 November 2022 06: 49
      vertical lined up for 20 years staggered .

      Man with a gun?
      1. +40
        8 November 2022 08: 19
        Lenin said for a long time that: "Only the butts of rifles can knock on the gates of palaces." wink
        1. +6
          8 November 2022 14: 01
          And they are just waiting for it! They are waiting for the "revolutionary situation" to mature in the country. Then the scribe will come to us. There will be no revolution!
          1. 0
            8 November 2022 16: 55
            Quote: dobrynin
            And they are just waiting for it! They are waiting for the "revolutionary situation" to mature in the country. Then the scribe will come to us. There will be no revolution!

            The situation is not yet as clear as it used to be - the tops cannot, the bottoms do not want .. A revolutionary situation. Now somewhere like this .... The lower classes are grumbling, but for now they are suffering ... It seems that the tops have stirred, descending from Olympus to the sinful earth ...... They understand the future alignment from their inaction ... ...
          2. -2
            8 November 2022 19: 58
            World Globalist Revolution under the slogan "Oligarchies of all countries, unite!" already going.

            It was with the demoniac "Bolsheviks in embroidered shirts" that we encountered in country-U. The devil simply swapped Russian and Western demons of the 1917 model in places.
  5. +11
    8 November 2022 06: 53
    When suddenly they turn not to those who are supposed to, but to those who are closer to the Tsar, it becomes clear what games are being played.

    Usually, if you apply to the wrong address, they send you very far with one powerful pendal ...... To a well-known address. And for some reason, the whole country knows nothing about this appeal of yours.
  6. +26
    8 November 2022 07: 05
    about the press office. These are desks that do not produce any efficiency in almost every village council, they really enrage. Especially in the Ministry of Internal Affairs, the Ministry of Defense, etc. Warm places for bedding local bureaucrats and bosses, as well as daughters of "good" people. Such departments in state structures should be made up only of civilians on a salary, but not how not to be generals, admirals, etc. with the appropriate length of service, pension, etc.
    1. +17
      8 November 2022 10: 02
      It annoys me too. Serdyukov had a "baby battalion", and now the "baby regiment" is in stripes.
      Why does a press secretary need to be in uniform?
    2. -6
      8 November 2022 10: 58
      you have apparently never encountered the work of press services or even a group in VK)
      1. +8
        8 November 2022 12: 50
        Quote: Barberry25
        you have apparently never encountered the work of press services or even a group in VK)

        cho, without a "star"? is not said?
        1. -5
          8 November 2022 15: 11
          everything is simple - you can write anything, say anything, but still there is some kind of horse that will say that "you_are_lying!" and they will believe him .. And the press services of the structures are a separate story - they, in principle, are not allowed liberties, since shoulder straps
    3. +9
      8 November 2022 15: 20
      about the press office. These are desks that do not produce any efficiency

      I agree, they're annoying! And wherever you look, there are generals everywhere with pouted lips, made up, as if gathered on a panel, and receiving rewards corresponding to their rank ...
    4. +5
      8 November 2022 15: 40
      Here you are reacting harshly, and his real estate has already been classified in all registries. And I suppose he’s already walking, he’s interested in how to make good plastic surgery on his face: his nose is narrowed, his ears stick out, and so on
  7. +19
    8 November 2022 07: 10
    Governors against the generals of the Ministry of Defense

    Not certainly in that way.
    After some time, "partially mobilized", the volunteers will begin to return from the front. And they will have tough questions to the authorities. Smart Governors understand this, so they work ahead of the curve. The generals, on the other hand, do not want to understand that now they are under their command not just soldiers, but citizens whom the authorities "called" for help, as well as patriots who came voluntarily. To win this war, the war must become popular. And for this, the Army must become a people's army and the generals in this Army must be our people's.
    1. +21
      8 November 2022 08: 20
      Yeah. Forgotten only the most important thing: Power! Power must be popular!
      1. +1
        8 November 2022 12: 52
        I'm afraid to make a mistake, and I'm sorry... are you in America?
        1. 0
          8 November 2022 14: 50
          Oh yes, it’s really popular there .... When it came to the point that the same government in some states proposed to cancel the article for buying stolen goods in their Criminal Code .... We will modestly keep silent about other games .....
          1. +6
            8 November 2022 17: 34
            So what? Our government, for example, said that the results of the great hack are not subject to revision!
            1. 0
              8 November 2022 17: 57
              So what? That government said that they now also have "percentages". On a variety of genders, not just whites, all sorts of others. Regardless of professionalism. As in the USSR in many places.
              What does this have to do with "our power"? I somewhere admired this .... vertical?
      2. +2
        8 November 2022 14: 46
        Power! Power must be popular!

        Oops ... belay Did they forget to write it down in the Constitution? No, don't forget
        Article 3 1. The bearer of sovereignty and the only source of power in the Russian Federation is its multinational people.
        And there is even a guarantor to look after the Constitution. lol What more hell do you need?
        1. +1
          8 November 2022 16: 16
          This article omitted the "monetary" source of power
        2. +2
          8 November 2022 20: 48
          Why look after her? It stands and stands on the shelf ... Or who wanted to steal?! belay
    2. 0
      9 November 2022 14: 28
      But with "nationality", at all levels, in a capitalist state - it's very difficult .... Read Marx, Lenin, Camus, Heidegger, Sartre, Spengler, Russell ... Everyone, unanimously, declares that under the capitalist system ( state, which is Russia) the existence of "people's armies" is impossible and "people's wars" are impossible ... "Losers" in life - go to the trenches, and "golden youth" and "hurried" - go to "temporary emigration" or get a job "remotely" - from the Emirates, Georgia, Armenia, Kazakhstan, USA.... C'est la vie
  8. +5
    8 November 2022 07: 13
    N-yes-a ... call! If we add to this that in Ukraine they say that negotiations will be conducted with the next president of the Russian Federation, there is something to think about. Only in vain are Ukraine's hopes that (even if there is) a new president, he will make concessions. But you have to think, and fast.
  9. +17
    8 November 2022 07: 14
    Useless. Nothing will change. The NWO will continue to be led by the "heroes of Russia" whose brains have completely atrophied even when they were colonels / lieutenant colonels.
    1. +25
      8 November 2022 08: 27
      Nobody wanted to listen to Strelkov. Here in the VO, the cheers-quacks poured mud on him constantly. Well? I would like to ask these quacks - what was he (Strelkov-Girkin) wrong about, huh? After all, absolutely everything was fulfilled according to his forecasts! But listen to Shendakov, so your "ears will wilt" in general ... True, she is so often impartial, and it is unpleasant to listen to her, but it is necessary.
      1. -22
        8 November 2022 10: 59
        and? The same Strelkov at one time wanted to surrender one regional center in the Donbass ... really unexpectedly?
  10. -1
    8 November 2022 07: 33
    The fact that our eternally lying generals can find a short cut in the face of the governors - this can and should be welcomed.
    /////////////////////////
    There will be no "cut". A soldier who is in the ranks of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation in a war no longer has any administrative-territorial affiliation. He belongs to the army and the country that is at war and is obliged to comply with all laws that apply to him. Particularly zealous governors, on the contrary, will be put in their place, as Hitler-Göring once said: "Take care of your Luftwaffe and not a foot to the front." And believe me, there is something to do with the same Kozhemyakin and others like him. Of course, you need to deal with what the fighters write about. It is quite possible that these military leaders with non-Russian surnames have become insolent and snickering and they need to be put in their place. To do this, there is the State Duma Committee on Defense, the corresponding committee in the Federation Council. I don’t think that there are entirely corrupt generals and colonels there. There is a military prosecutor’s office that has the right to sort out the situation. I think Surovikin is quite capable of smearing presumptuous scoundrels on the wall if they interfere with the performance of combat missions. Soldiers and officers fighting at the front are worth their weight in gold today. These are heroes and patriots, the first people of the state, and it is obliged to protect their interests by all available means.
    1. +3
      8 November 2022 08: 49
      as Hitler-Goering once said: "Engage in your Luftwaffe and not a foot to the front."

      ... and Goering sent Hitler and, in spite of him, formed airfield divisions and even a personal parachute-tank "Hermann Goering". wassat laughing
    2. +8
      8 November 2022 09: 56
      Is it because the peasants were forced to turn to the governor because their appeals on command did not lead to anything? After all, the problem is not one day, and for sure there were reports and reports, but nothing was done.
      At least somehow this blank wall was broken through.
      Even with the help of the governor.
  11. +6
    8 November 2022 07: 37
    “For more than 155 days, units of the 10th Marine Brigade of the Pacific Fleet have been conducting effective offensive operations in the Uludar direction.
    Due to the competent actions of the commanders of the units, the losses of the Marines over this period do not exceed 1% of the combat strength and 7% of the wounded, a significant part of which have already returned to duty.
    At the same time, enemy losses along the line of combat contact of the brigade average 7 to 1, and in some areas 9 to 1 in people and equipment.


    At the same time, according to all textbooks on military affairs, the usual ratio of losses during offensive operations, advancing to defenders, is 3 to 1. But in the reports of our generals, everything looks like 1 to 7
    And in order to understand why the Second World War was won in the 45th, and now there is a surrender of positions, because under Stalin they put generals against the wall for this - and now the gut is thin. Maybe this point of view is not relevant today, but unfortunately it is correct
    1. -2
      8 November 2022 11: 02
      so they put privates, and in much LARGE quantities .. something seems to me that this situation will not suit you?
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  13. +2
    8 November 2022 07: 56
    look more closely at who you are going to vote for, asking yourself the question, will this governor fly / go to the other side of the earth, as Kozhemyako did, to look at how and under what conditions his citizens are fighting?
    It is doubtful ... the governor should manage his region so that people are happy, and not travel around the world. It's just a mess in the country, since this happens
  14. +15
    8 November 2022 07: 56
    Mobilization, (like COVID, refugees, salaries), Moscow for some reason threw it on the governors. We set up a plan. This is absurd. The center likes to accumulate taxes, draw "concepts", "represent" the country in foreign policy. And as a serious issue, it is being transferred to the regional authorities. This is an army, not a feudal militia. Or no longer? what

    Severe men in Pavlovka are clearly far from the desire for "media fame". It is impossible to believe in the objectivity of "denials" and "investigations".
  15. +3
    8 November 2022 08: 09
    It’s a pity, only that we have hundreds of generals, and only 87 governors.
    Governors must be made members of the Military Councils of the fronts, if such exist.
  16. -3
    8 November 2022 08: 26
    Author Do you even understand how delusional, well, what the hell are textbooks and 6 to 1 losses, do you have a textbook from the times of WW3? At least look at the losses of the initial stage among the Germans and with us. The textbooks say this: to suppress a platoon on the defensive, it is attacked by a company, but this is not about losses.
    Before the attack, the enemy is processed by artillery, then tanks are added, the losses will be 1 to 3 if the infantry stupidly rushes at the infantry.
    1. +7
      8 November 2022 11: 06
      Well, it is immediately clear that the person did not graduate from the academies. Your comparison with the Second World War is at least incorrect. On the side of the Germans was the factor of surprise and the best training of personnel. You read archival documents, not bloggers, and then you will find out that on the eve of the war, THREE shells were allocated for the training of a gunner in tank units of the USSR for a year. Everything else we walk on the machine. And these are not my inventions, but pre-war documents on combat training. About losses. The losses of those advancing on a prepared defense are always higher than those of the defenders. I emphasize - on the prepared defense. I will say briefly about artillery preparation. It is effective the first 10-15 minutes after its start. Further, these are wasted shells if the infantry did not go on the offensive.
      1. 0
        8 November 2022 11: 54
        Yah? Waste ammo? And should the infantry go to the unsuppressed defense?
        What academies teach this?
        And what about the "barrage of fire", "cutting off and edging fires", artillery support, "artillery offensive" well, "fire and wheels" there? Not? No way?
        I still remember that in Chechnya, the firing artillery officers did not sit on the firing positions, but up to the FSS were in the ranks of the infantry.
        Unlearned?
        1. +5
          8 November 2022 14: 44
          Don't bring the storm. Only an artillery spotter goes with the infantry, and that is far from always the case. Regarding the wasted shells. I understand that memory, like a fish, does not allow storing information for more than 10 seconds, but then write it down. I said that shells were wasted if the infantry did not move forward. But if she did, then all your transfers of fire, etc. and taught me at the academy. M. V. Frunze. And our teachers were experienced officers, at least regimental commanders in the past, and not half-finished adjuncts with the experience of a deputy battalion commander, as in the current combined arms academy.
          1. 0
            8 November 2022 16: 07
            If your memory is not like that of a fish, then you should remember at least the Basics of the combat use of artillery.
            Everything is written there and there are even pictures.
            "... With the release of the combined arms units to the line of transition to the attack, at the signal of the combined arms commander, artillery support of the advancing units begins.

            A battalion (battery), when providing artillery support to advancing subunits, may be involved in sequential concentration of fire, barrage, concentrated fire and fire at individual targets, including VTB. The transfer of fire to the next lines of a single sequential concentration of fire (barrage) is carried out at the signal of the battalion commander. The transfer of fire to the next lines of double sequential concentration of fire (barrage) is carried out: by divisions of the first artillery group - at the signal of the commanders of the battalions of the first echelon; divisions (batteries) of the second group of artillery - at the signal of the senior commander (chief).
            The battalion (battery) commander monitors the actions of the advancing subunits, corrects fire if necessary, and reports to the senior artillery commander (chief) on the advance of the advancing subunits to the line of safe removal from their shell explosions.

            The following distance is considered a safe distance from the explosions of their shells: for motorized rifle units attacking on foot - no closer than 400 m, for infantry fighting vehicles (armored personnel carriers) - no closer than 300 m; for tank units - no closer than 200 m ... "
            Well, and so on. Do you remember, would not carry a blizzard about 15 minutes
      2. +2
        8 November 2022 12: 00
        I graduated from a military school and I know that the advancing side, in a modern war, loses less than the defending side, unless, of course, it gets involved in urban battles. The offensive follows two scenarios: either suppressing the enemy with artillery and finishing off the remnants, or hitting the junctions of units, breaking through, enveloping, encircling and finishing off.
        The Germans beat ours not because of the suddenness of the attack, there was none, but because of the excellent organization, precise execution and stupidity of our command staff. Here we are on the offensive, at first we lost 1 to 10. The Germans did not shoot tanks at the prepared artillery, like ours, putting down the corps, they beat the infantry, and the tanks went into the breakthrough, while ours stood still and waited for them to be surrounded, and then stupidly with the stubbornness of a ram, they tried to get out of the encirclement strictly to the east.
        You say artillery preparation is effective for 10-15 minutes? Well, yes, but it all depends on saturation with artillery. If you put 100 trunks, then in 10-15 minutes they will plow everything, and if 10, then you need to hit for a long time and tediously, even at previously explored points. And the artillery preparation was carried out in waves, preventing them from approaching the trenches of the second echelon or retreating.
        And now I’ll tell you a secret about artillery preparation during the Second World War, and I think this is relevant now: The duration of artillery preparation was, as a rule, 1-2 hours. But depending on the specific conditions, it was planned to be both longer and shorter. So, during the assault on the fortress of Konigsberg in April 1945, a three-hour artillery preparation was carried out; in the Svir-Petrozavodsk operation of the Karelian Front, it lasted 3 hours 32 minutes {19}, and in the Berlin operation in the breakthrough sector, 5 beats. And the 1st Belorussian Front carried out the shortest, 20-minute, night artillery preparation. By the end of the war, due to the increase in the number of artillery involved, there was a tendency to reduce the duration of artillery preparation to 40-20 minutes.

        In order to reduce artillery preparation, especially strong structures were destroyed in a few days or on the eve of the offensive. For example, in the Krasnoselsk and Vyborg operations of the Leningrad Front, the destruction period was one day; during the assault on Koenigsberg by the troops of the 3rd Belorussian Front, the period of opening and destruction was four days; during the Crimean operation by the 4th Ukrainian Front - two days.

        The main method of conducting artillery preparation was massive artillery strikes on the entire tactical depth of the enemy's defense. At the same time, depending on the nature of the enemy’s defense (increase in depth, separation of battle formations, transition to trench, multi-position defense), as well as on the amount of artillery involved, the depth of simultaneous suppression of defense objects changed. So, in 1941-1942, when the enemy's defense was focal and shallow, massive artillery fire was conducted mainly to a depth of 1,5-2,5 km and on batteries. In 1943, when the Nazi troops switched to trench defense and the depth of its main line increased, massive artillery fire was carried out to a depth of 3-4 km or more, in 1944 - up to 6-8 km and in 1945 - up to 8–12 km.
        1. +7
          8 November 2022 14: 52
          I will not enter into a debate with you. You can hit with artillery for 2 days, but what's the point? If you read carefully, you would understand that I said that artillery preparation is most effective for the first 15 minutes, and then the consumption of shells is not commensurate with the damage done. Well, about the Second World War, read Zhukov’s memoirs less, and more archival materials, then don’t write such crap. If the artillery preparation was carried out for two days, this does not mean that all this time the artillery was firing. It is difficult to communicate with tight people. Enough of these mantras about modern wars. Bigger nonsense that the attackers suffer fewer losses than the defenders, I have never heard in my whole life. All over the look; you graduated from the Tallinn Political Military Construction School, since you are carrying such a blizzard.
        2. -1
          9 November 2022 04: 19
          That's just curious. With the stupidity of our commanders during the Second World War (according to you) and the well-coordinated work of the Germans, how did it happen that the Germans took Crimea for 250 days, and we took for 5? Doesn't fit your logic. How did 28 people manage to stop the enemy? By the way, Klochkov, who commanded them - firstly, a political instructor, and secondly, a reservist.
          Or Sergeant Sirotinin? They weren't that stupid. Commanders and people of that time
          1. 0
            9 November 2022 08: 18
            My question is: why did they take Crimea at all? And they didn’t take Sevastopol right away for three reasons: at first it was secondary, the transfer of parts from Odessa and the fortifications.
            Are you saying everyone is stupid? And I did not talk about everyone, only about the majority of the senior command staff. There were also exceptions, the same Rokossovsky, Zhukov, several army commanders, but what's the point? They drove thousands of tanks into the attack, half broke down on the marches, the rest was crushed by artillery and aircraft.
            Next, we turn to myths: there were no 28 people who stopped the Germans, there was a company, by the way, this is very well shown in the film, and hacks wrote about 28. Yes, it was a feat, but not the same as they wrote about it and there were more people, honor and praise to them.
            I just didn’t understand one thing: what does the individual exploits of soldiers and subunits have to do with it, and how does this fit in with the mediocrity of command at the initial stage of the war? Can we discuss how the USSR, having an army larger than the German one, many times more tanks and aircraft, knowing that the Germans would attack, even the exact date, retreated to Moscow, each time stupidly leaving hundreds of thousands of soldiers in boilers? Maybe we can discuss the ring in Minsk, near Kyiv, etc. to Moscow? It's time to admit the Germans beat us not by numbers, but by skill, and only starting from December 1941, we did learn something.
            There is no need to create myths, it is necessary to recognize the truth, no matter how bitter it would be.
            1. -1
              10 November 2022 13: 16
              Excuse me, but what can I talk about if you study history from modern films? You still remember the "White Tiger" and something about the red ghost - you didn’t even watch this nonsense. A. Still here is the Fog - it also reveals the Second World War very well. If you really want to watch films about the war, then watch films from years up to 60 - a maximum of 70.
            2. -1
              10 November 2022 13: 43
              And, by the way, the importance of Sevastopol is evidenced by the fact that the first bomb fell on Sevastopol at 02:57. That is, at three o'clock in the morning. And all our lives we thought that the war began at 4 o'clock in the morning. request
  17. NSV
    +2
    8 November 2022 08: 27
    A strange situation, a strange position of the leadership. Then it is necessary to appoint governors-general, it will be more sense.
  18. +5
    8 November 2022 08: 29
    Quote from silviu
    And in order to understand why the Second World War was won in the 45th, and now there is a surrender of positions, because under Stalin they put generals against the wall for this - and now the gut is thin. Maybe this point of view is not relevant today, but unfortunately it is correct

    What is the difference between "now" and "then under Stalin"? There have always been generals, but now the power of money. And who should be put against the wall, we still need to figure it out well. Maybe not generals, but who else?
  19. +2
    8 November 2022 08: 42
    I can’t understand why the GDP is silent on the situation at the top of the Russian army ...
    1. +20
      8 November 2022 08: 58
      What should he say? The fact that his protégé, following his own example, created his own "vertical of power"? The same "effective"?
    2. +10
      8 November 2022 09: 03
      Quote: Evgenijus
      I can’t understand why the GDP is silent on the situation at the top of the Russian army ...

      It's obvious. He spoke about this many times: “The military special operation is going according to plan, strictly according to the schedule. All assigned tasks are successfully solved"
      The next step, think about what kind of special operation he has in mind and against whom it is directed, since these generals are working effectively.
  20. +20
    8 November 2022 09: 03
    and most importantly, Putin created this whole vicious vertical of power, but as always, the tsar is good, and the boyars are bastards. The first one who should be responsible for all this is Putin
    1. +13
      8 November 2022 09: 07
      Hmm, for such words, two months ago, here at VO they were sent to an eternal ban, despite the rank and time spent on the forum ... Yes
      1. +18
        8 November 2022 10: 03
        Quote: Monster_Fat
        Hmm, for such words, two months ago, here at VO they were sent to an eternal ban, despite the rank and time spent on the forum ... Yes

        maybe they will send it, but it’s the truth and you can’t hide it anymore, everything has come out too much, and Putin has no habit of admitting his mistakes, which means he doesn’t correct them
  21. -5
    8 November 2022 09: 13
    Strange things are happening. There are governors, but no provinces. And where there are not only governors and provinces, there are Presidents and Republics with parliaments and constitutions. With such a state structure, the time is not far off when in the Republics having their own Presidents, their own parliaments, their own government, there the military registration and enlistment offices will be repaired by the local President and parliament.
    Perhaps, perhaps this letter to the governor of Primorye is an element of an information attack in a hybrid war against Russia. Vedas a hundred times Washington, London and Brussels repeated that their goal is to split, split Russia from the inside.
    Speaking about the Ministry of Defense, it should be noted that if such a letter were addressed to the Commander-in-Chief or the Minister of Defense, then this would be a violation of subordination, as an appeal to the highest commander without the permission of, say, the unit commander or front commander. And the civil governor, please. And here you have two birds with one stone - that is, it shows possible nepotism and who, perhaps, is roofed over in the Moscow Region and it is shown that the governor without a province can sort everything out and is able to figure everything out and help. So why then a governor without a province, better a President with a Republic. You give Primorskaya, you give Kursk, you give the Far Eastern Republic. And why are they worse than Tatarstan or Bashkortostan or Mari El, which, by the way, is what NATO and Washington are striving for.
    PS Recently I looked at the portraits of the Defense Ministry of the SA under the Minister of Defense Grechko. What noble faces. Compared to them, the current ones, including the Minister himself and, especially, the Chief of the General Staff, have unspoiled faces with intellect ... These are the ones he runs into, starting from the marine and ending with the governor ..
    1. -2
      9 November 2022 00: 26
      Question about Strelkov's "weight" in the Ministry of Defense.
      And about the scale of the "shocks" for today .. If we take into account for us "VGTRK serves Yeltsin ... not good", then after all, Putin is simply perfect. However, I will note that in a number of conflicts of '92-'95 it was B.N.E. etc. breakthrough of the Mujahideen Tajikistan, still almost conscientious, could "not be noticed." Noticed and defended. Why. Because Rus', Russia, the USSR live by the truth, and not by slander and tales.
  22. -9
    8 November 2022 09: 17
    it's funny to read something like that ... it seems like the marines want their governor to command them and lead them on the attack and drink vodka with them, right? and our marines are no longer black death, and so the whips are not local? well, yes, the press service of the RF Ministry of Defense makes reports so-so, but it’s also naive to think that the RF Ministry of Defense should dump secret and top-secret data everywhere, there will be no victory at all !! and Sladkov, well, he will set fire, and at a low level! you yourself must have a head on your shoulders!
  23. +4
    8 November 2022 09: 20
    A mess in the state. Putin is no longer the same as he was 20 years ago.
    1. +3
      8 November 2022 13: 22
      Quote: Million
      A mess in the state. Putin is no longer the same as he was 20 years ago.

      Brezhnev also became not the same as on Malaya Zemlya
    2. -2
      9 November 2022 00: 29
      Who is "That":? Fradkov, Chernomyrdin... Gaidar:?
      1. 0
        9 November 2022 16: 41
        Quote: Alexander Fomichev
        Who is "That":? Fradkov, Chernomyrdin... Gaidar:?

        He was a colonel on Malaya Zemlya, he fought. Then, at the age of 70, he could barely move his tongue on the podium. Age spares no one. Why do you cling to power like Biden? I'm tired, I'm leaving ... "
  24. -14
    8 November 2022 09: 35
    There are already enough videos from the Marines of this brigade themselves. They say the losses in the letter are overstated. And that with difficulty but go forward.
    Sladkova for a month at least for bunk beds. And the one who wrote this letter.
    1. +10
      8 November 2022 10: 06
      1. There is a video from some people in camouflage, obviously made by the MO.
      2. Talk about their personal experiences, which may be different from others. At the same time, there is not a single word that contradicts Sladkov, Rybar, Khodakovsky. The attack is going extremely hard.
      3. There are enough videos on the net of how our Ukrainian artillery is shooting at us. According to them, it is absolutely clear that the offensive in this area is criminal.
      1. +1
        8 November 2022 11: 11
        and there is also an electronic letter in general, which any student can write ...
    2. -6
      8 November 2022 10: 30
      People like you are now reading TsIPSOshniki and happily rubbing their hands. For it is said that the ram sees nothing but the gate. Not even a fence.
  25. +11
    8 November 2022 09: 50
    I don't like it, this whole situation.
    BUT! And what should the peasants do if all their appeals on command stall, no measures were taken that the generals do not care about them.
    It's no secret that corporate collusion flourishes in the Moscow Region, and they don't extradite their own.
    And as a result, the death of people.
    So I had to turn to the governor in order to somehow move this clumsy, rusty car.
    This operation revealed a very unpleasant truth.
    The Ministry of Defense hung noodles on our ears about 70% of modern weapons and about the second most powerful army in the world and about much more.
    They splurged with exhibitions, tank biathlons, and so on.
    War shows who is who.
    The fact is that the Ministry of Defense failed to cope with its duties, and as a result we got what is now happening at the front.
    What few of the citizens of Russia expected.
    And yet, no matter what, we still hope that the enemy will be defeated and Victory will be ours.
    On one condition that there will be no betrayal.
    And the generals, so surprising, are capitalism, and therefore, for some generals, soldiers are meat. And for some officials, people are vegetables.
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  27. +2
    8 November 2022 10: 01
    Excuse me, Roman, but when and which of our generals called our servicemen "pigs" and "meat"? I ask for facts in the studio.
  28. 0
    8 November 2022 10: 40
    Quote: Jager
    and Goering sent Hitler and, contrary to him, formed airfield divisions and even a personal parachute-tank "Hermann Goering"

    Forming a division and a corps does not mean taking a direct part in combat operations at the front. Hermann Goering in 1945 did not send Hitler anywhere, but sent him a telegram: "If you do not answer before 22:00 of this day, then you have lost your freedom of action. I reserve the right to become the leader of the Reich." Bormann intervened, intercepting the telegram. Bormann conveyed the information to Hitler in a favorable light for himself. Hitler was furious. As a result, the "SS" arrests Goering, and Hitler struck him out of his will. That's it.
  29. +3
    8 November 2022 11: 04
    But I’m wondering .. those several dozen initiative citizens who demanded to figure out “who laid down the Voronezh battalion” .. Then they did at least something to tell about the fact that there was no battalion and that it was all a duck?
  30. +2
    8 November 2022 11: 14
    Quote: Uncle Lee
    It’s a pity, only that we have hundreds of generals, and only 87 governors.
    The governors have already begun to "resolve" the situation! Then maybe the generals are no longer needed? recourse

    Probably the generals will take care of the affairs of the governors. Benz is brewing....
  31. +8
    8 November 2022 11: 18
    The case is simply glaring in its clarity.
    What you need to know about it:
    1. Any collective appeals (including even reports) are prohibited in the army. Collective appeal/performance is a rebellion. In wartime, the instigators can be shot.
    2. An appeal to civil authorities and the public is a violation of all conceivable and unimaginable requirements of secrecy, playing into the hands of the enemy.

    Where does all this come from? Yes, Watson. This is the result of the mobilization curve. The result of a mass conscription of people who are not fit in terms of their psychological indicators and physical training for either army, or even more so for military service.
    There are several districts in our town, each with 300-400 thousand people. It would seem that it would be possible to recruit a normal conscription contingent. No. I don't know how it was in others, in our municipality there was not a single one who was called up under 40 years old. They gathered a crowd of 40+, all family members, they no longer remember military service, with a psychological make-up and worldview characteristic of adult men.
    At the same time, they encountered bestial attitude even at the stage of the military registration and enlistment office, starting with the recruitment procedures. Further more. We have been told a lot that it is impossible to make a soldier out of a conscript in 1 year. And from 40-year-old bellies for 2 weeks it turns out possible. And they (unlike young people) see it, how they see it and what they are equipped with, what statements some commanders in units allow themselves, what attitude to support families and payments - if anything, who will feed them, m.k Beg .. .in?
    Who expects them to fight and "take" something? Will they? Seriously?

    It is as if in WWI, back in 14, they immediately switched to the situation of 16-17 years, with the call-up of warriors of the 3rd category and sending them to the front in bast shoes.

    That's how it is immediately forgotten what incompetence, sabotage, etc. are, for some reason half-forgotten ones pop up in memory - "sabotage" and "enemies of the people."

    Hence all these appeals. And not in the generals of the problem.
    1. +3
      8 November 2022 16: 36
      Quote: El Barto
      Hence all these appeals. And not in the generals of the problem.


      Do you want to say that in the 155th brigade of the Marine Corps, who fought / are fighting heavy battles near Pavlovka, they were mobilized ??? Well, as for men 40+, I will say this, they are better than 20-25 year old guys .... the guys have not lived their lives yet, and the Motherland already demands to repay her debt in full.

      In my town (also small, Omsk region), two young guys were recently buried ... only one graduated from school, served urgent duty and left under a contract (as a driver, if I'm not mistaken), the second is also about the same age .... that's sad.)
      1. +5
        8 November 2022 17: 51
        Even in 1941, in 2 waves of GENERAL mobilization, ages from 18 to 45 were called. At what in the first wave from 23 to 36 years.
        And this is in a situation where the enemy was near Moscow, and smart people were engaged in mobilization.
        Not like in our country, due to partial mobilization, either from a lack of intelligence and pseudo-humanistic considerations, or from malicious sabotage intent, they raked everyone in a row, and the elderly in the first place.
        What is there 40-year-olds. Let's gain 70-80 years, we don't feel sorry for them, they will die soon anyway.
    2. +2
      8 November 2022 20: 30
      And when I wrote this, I had not yet seen the video from Kazan with the mobilized.
    3. +1
      9 November 2022 13: 59
      Quote: El Barto
      The case is simply glaring in its clarity.
      What you need to know about it:
      1. Any collective appeals (including even reports) are prohibited in the army. Collective appeal/performance is a rebellion. In wartime, the instigators can be shot.
      2. An appeal to civil authorities and the public is a violation of all conceivable and unimaginable requirements of secrecy, playing into the hands of the enemy.
      .

      And we seem to live in a state of law, or what? wink Capitalism is in the yard - everything must be spelled out, all risks taken into account - otherwise colleagues in a dangerous business will gobble up and not choke.
      Did someone legislatively deprive the mobilized fundamental rights and freedoms of a citizen of Russia - in terms of filing complaints and appeals of citizens to any instances, and the obligation of sovereign people to consider them in the prescribed manner? Has the country been under martial law? Do the facts stated in the letter correlate with the official List of information classified as state secrets?

      Many knowledge - many sorrows, it suddenly turns out that with the writing of a letter - everything is sunny. Why stakeholders and korezhit. What is not forbidden is allowed.
      Yes, and the rebellion has the object of criminal encroachment on the overthrow or violent change of the constitutional order of the Russian Federation or the violation of the territorial integrity of the Russian Federation. Bringing information from below to competent persons at the top about eccentrics from the Moscow Region is a good deed, practically a feat.
  32. +2
    8 November 2022 12: 38
    Moreover, the generals are not only in the Moscow Region, but also in other departments. Just don’t appoint how many, but they won’t become smarter from this. What can I say if the GDP itself imagines itself to be a general. I would have looked at least at Stalin, he always listened to the generals. The ruler of fools will not listen. He would have paid attention to his beloved Kolya, he also did not want to move away from the generals, although this ruined him. Uncle Kolya-2 is an improved copy.
    1. +2
      8 November 2022 12: 52
      Do not be misled, Stalin is not an ideal. And he did not listen to the generals, especially at first.
      1. 0
        8 November 2022 18: 20
        He himself developed a strategy for the destruction of the fascist hordes. Maybe then it was no longer Zhukov who commanded the Berlin operation, but Montgomery.
  33. +6
    8 November 2022 12: 59
    It is very symptomatic that they write to the governors, and not to Mr. Putin. Apparently, his resemblance to Mr. Konashenkov is already striking.
    And it is very dangerous for the country as a whole.
  34. -2
    8 November 2022 13: 03
    Kozhemyako is a populist... Ready to take on any business... The main thing is to move to a new position on time. the fact that Oleg Nikolayevich is a true patriot of the Far East ... Although his trick with the replacement of the capital of the Far East will still come back to him. Many Far Easterners are angry with him for this.
    1. +1
      8 November 2022 13: 40
      Careerism is an integral feature of any official. The main criterion of its activity is the ratio of benefits and harms.
    2. -1
      9 November 2022 03: 59
      Quote: Igorash
      So many Far Easterners are angry with him for this.

      Well, well, father. Do not exaggerate. The Khabarovsk Territory is far from being all Far Easterners. For example, we really like being the capital of the Far East. Here again, we have forums. Money is allocated from the budget.
      And in the summer, for some reason, the same Khabarovsk Territory is completely on our beaches. Although the coastline itself is already a thousand kilometers away.
      And it is easier and more convenient for Sakhalin people from Kamchadala to work with us.
      So, everything is fine. The capital is not a corrupt girl for you - today in Khabarovsk, tomorrow in Vladivostok. No. Missed your happiness - take it for granted.
  35. +7
    8 November 2022 13: 37
    This letter is a very bad symptom, whether it's true or not. This is worse than surrendering Kr. Liman and others, because the combat experience of the soldiers will come with time, and the worthless commander will not become good, this life experience shows. If we want to win, we need a purge!
  36. +7
    8 November 2022 14: 34
    I don't understand. Does anyone else have questions about the level of idiocy of our generals? Don't look at words, look at deeds. And things are such that after 9 months of the operation, the advantage is more likely with the enemy than with us.
    There is no reason not to believe the words of the Marines. Why would they lie for what purpose, besides their own survival, they can give this information?!
    They would put 20 generals against the wall, they would take smart and honest people from somewhere out of nowhere, and everything would change.
    1. -2
      9 November 2022 04: 37
      What a pity that swearing is prohibited here. Because the censorship words are over.
      Quote from: newtc7
      And things are such that after 9 months of the operation, the advantage is more likely with the enemy than with us.

      And things are such that today, if not the whole world, then the largest part of it is fighting against us. If you are so all-seeing, then take the trouble to look on the Internet for how much only the United States has already provided assistance to Ukraine. How much other countries. How else countries help Ukraine. What is the number of the Armed Forces of Ukraine directly and what is the number of foreign mercenaries. Which countries provide intelligence assistance to the enemy and how many people from the headquarters of these most unfriendly countries supply intelligence to dill and develop operations. And then you will understand that any other army under such conditions would already be in the Chelyabinsk region. If there was at all.
      So, if you look at things, look at them from all sides and objectively, please.
      1. +1
        9 November 2022 19: 43
        So far, the West has been supplying Ukraine mainly with junk and illiquid assets of Soviet production and its old weapons. So our army should, in theory, oppose NATO, for which it is, pardon the tautology, because this is NATO itself, our main and, in fact, only enemy.
        Objectively? Can't you see how many mistakes were made? Yes, sorry mom does not agree. After all, there are blind people who can’t even smell shit in the nose anyway.
        1. -2
          10 November 2022 13: 03
          Well, if you like your nose, that's up to you. As they say, everyone goes crazy in their own way.
          But I'm not too lazy yet, I asked Yandex - how much and what kind of assistance and which countries provided Ukraine. And here is the answer: https://iz.ru/1408947/mariia-shaipova/dengami-i-oruzhiem-kto-i-kak-pomogaet-ukrainehttps://iz.ru/1408947/mariia-shaipova/dengami-i -oruzhiem-kto-i-kak-pomogaet-ukraine
          Read. There are readings for a couple of minutes - I hope you master it.
  37. +2
    8 November 2022 14: 52
    In fact, this issue needs to be dealt with in the most serious way. Not why the servicemen turned to the governor, but why they did not turn to the Ministry of Defense, why they do not trust the services of the Ministry of Defense, and why these services are not able to conscientiously fulfill their direct duties protecting the rights of servicemen. A soldier in a trench must be sure that the command will do everything necessary to save his life, and if he dies, due to someone's stupidity, then these people are guaranteed to be punished. To save the lives of our military, publicity is needed regarding the facts of the death of employees and a thorough investigation. It can be argued that publicity is unacceptable, for a number of reasons. Nevertheless, senseless losses due to unprepared operations can and should be considered unacceptable, and publicity is simply necessary for this. The commander must know what awaits him if he sacrifices soldiers for selfish purposes.
    1. +3
      9 November 2022 04: 53
      why the servicemen turned to the governor, and why they did not turn to the Ministry of Defense, why they do not trust the services of the Ministry of Defense,
      Maybe that’s why they don’t trust that they applied, but everything is like peas against the wall. Nobody cares about them, the main thing is for the generals to cover each other and write beautiful reports. And the governor, he is not from their gang, and he will not mess with them with mutual responsibility.
  38. +4
    8 November 2022 15: 02
    Quote: Monster_Fat
    "What? It's not us, it's all of them, but we, it has nothing to do with it ..."

    And why do we need constant neprimymys?
  39. -3
    8 November 2022 15: 07
    Quote from: newtc7
    I don't understand. Does anyone else have questions about the level of idiocy of our generals? Don't look at words, look at deeds. ....
    There is no reason not to believe the words of the Marines. Why would they lie for what purpose, besides their own survival, they can give this information?!
    They would put 20 generals against the wall, they would take smart and honest people from somewhere out of nowhere, and everything would change.

    And why can only generals be sick with idiocy? Is it such a special human breed? And if you figure it out, maybe it’s necessary to put non-generals against the wall?
    Do you know for sure that the "words" went precisely on the initiative of the Marines themselves? From our media? I believe that if there were only "words of the Marines" here, no one in Russia would have known what they wrote there. Try to conduct an experiment - write a paper with harsh criticism of high authorities. How many people know about it? No one will even know what will happen to you after that.
    1. +4
      8 November 2022 15: 25
      Quote: ort
      Quote from: newtc7
      I don't understand. Does anyone else have questions about the level of idiocy of our generals? Don't look at words, look at deeds. ....
      There is no reason not to believe the words of the Marines. Why would they lie for what purpose, besides their own survival, they can give this information?!
      They would put 20 generals against the wall, they would take smart and honest people from somewhere out of nowhere, and everything would change.

      And why can only generals be sick with idiocy? Is it such a special human breed? And if you figure it out, maybe it’s necessary to put non-generals against the wall?
      Do you know for sure that the "words" went precisely on the initiative of the Marines themselves? From our media? I believe that if there were only "words of the Marines" here, no one in Russia would have known what they wrote there. Try to conduct an experiment - write a paper with harsh criticism of high authorities. How many people know about it? No one will even know what will happen to you after that.


      And who then is to blame? Maybe the governor of the Far East? Maybe he wants the hero of Russia so badly that he sent his fighters on a blunt attack?
      I honestly do not understand people who stubbornly continue to ignore the obvious facts: we are losing the war (well, or at least we are not winning), because in the leadership of the army we have degenerates who only need titles, medals and money.
      Even the governors show themselves mostly as people who are trying to win, and only the top of the army is silent, hides, lies, stupid and loses over and over again.
      If you do not call the problems by their proper names, then there is no chance of success.
      I don’t know what is there in this particular case, but I know for sure that there are cases when wars at the front complain about commanders - yes, all the time. There, everything is done through one place, everything is out of your mind. These cases of criminal negligence and idiocy of the military leadership there have already gone to the thousands. And who is responsible for this? Didn't see that.
  40. -5
    8 November 2022 15: 20
    It seems that the Russian Defense Ministry does not recommend telling the whole truth to the Russians in order to avoid panic in the country and hostile sentiments. Panic and hostile sentiments will only benefit the enemy and are critically harmful to the Russians themselves. This has always been the case during wars.
    1. +7
      8 November 2022 16: 10
      Quote: Alex_5
      It seems that the Russian Defense Ministry does not recommend telling the whole truth to the Russians in order to avoid panic in the country and hostile sentiments. Panic and hostile sentiments will only benefit the enemy and are critically harmful to the Russians themselves. This has always been the case during wars.


      But I think that concealing information, hushing up, concealing and covering up one's own is much more beneficial to the enemy. You know, panic is like that - it motivates you to take action. It is better to tell the truth for another month to panic and fix everything than to hide for years and think that it will work itself out. It won't get better. This truth works both in the life of an individual and the whole country.
      1. -7
        8 November 2022 17: 09
        It is immediately clear that a person has not experienced panic in difficult conditions if he perceives it positively. Have you seen the panic in the trenches when, after shouting: "Surround!!!" people abandon their positions? When, after a cry: "Fire !!!" people forget about their duties and the human form and rush about crushing others. Unfortunately, I've seen both options. Do you like panic? Start running screaming and aiming at her. Hopefully the people around you will thank you.
        1. +4
          8 November 2022 17: 17
          Quote: Evgeny Ivanov_5
          It is immediately clear that a person has not experienced panic in difficult conditions if he perceives it positively. Have you seen the panic in the trenches when, after shouting: "Surround!!!" people abandon their positions? When, after a cry: "Fire !!!" people forget about their duties and the human form and rush about crushing others. Unfortunately, I've seen both options. Do you like panic? Start running screaming and aiming at her. Hopefully the people around you will thank you.


          Have you met with the fact that a lie always leads to defeat, moreover, it doesn’t matter what? Or do you think it's better to pretend that everything is fine than to admit problems? If that's the case, then it's no surprise that we're doing it this way. The truth decides, and it will lead to panic or to victory, it will be seen there. One thing's for sure, lying won't fix things.
        2. +1
          8 November 2022 17: 19
          And yes, it is better to panic and run back and forth in an emergency than to calmly continue to do nothing. There will be more efficiency
      2. -2
        9 November 2022 03: 44
        Why do you think you know the truth? Want to reveal a big secret?
        Truth is what a person believes.
        Do you want an example? So I believe that my wife is the best woman on the planet. And for some, she is a fat, old and generally ruthless sadist. And she just has a job.
        So I believe that the NWO was needed and that we will win. That in the Moscow Region (which, by the way, the SVO does not command), for the most part, people are in their place. And it is stalling because almost the whole world is fighting against us today. At least its strongest part. And we are alone against this strongest part. And we are still fighting. We hold on. And more than that. We win. Yes, slowly, yes, not as fast as we would like, but we are winning. That's what I personally believe in. Therefore, for me, this entire article, like the letter on which it is based, is a lie and a provocation.
        And you believe in what you like.
        1. +1
          9 November 2022 18: 26
          With this approach, continue to believe what else to say to you))
          It is clear that everyone has their own view of reality. Ukrainians out there believe that we occupied them for 300 years before that and that they dug up the Black Sea, well, and that it’s their truth, let them believe it?
          Your truth is either close to reality, and then it makes sense, or far away, and then you promote LGBT as the norm, or believe that your ancestors dug up the sea while Russian slaves worked for the Mongols.
          So, in the NMD, I think the truth is this: it was possible to win a long time ago, it was possible to prevent the rest of the world from helping Ukraine or greatly reduce this assistance, it was possible to avoid tens of thousands of deaths on both sides if our leadership had more brains and sanity, and well, determination, of course, and less fawning over Western partners. Well, if they hadn’t been stealing 30 more years before that, they weren’t engaged in fraud about having no analogues. But it was impossible, now it is possible to fix everything, to replace thieves and idiots with someone sensible. Maybe. Or maybe it is impossible even now, only Putin knows.
          1. -1
            10 November 2022 13: 12
            Once an elephant was brought to three blind men. They began to feel him. Otherwise, no way. One touched the tail, the other - the trunk, and the third - the leg. And then they were asked: What does an elephant look like? One said that he was thin and flexible, like a snake. Just a tassel at the end. The other said: What are you. He is fat and goes up. And it doesn't look like a snake at all. The third one said: Well, no. He's not fat at all - well, so. The arm is thick. But yes, flexible. But at the end he does not have a brush, but two wet holes.
            And, after all, which is characteristic, everyone believed that only he was right. And he knows the truth.
            Don't you think that most of the commentators here are like these blind men? We are given a very limited piece of information. Even those who are now in the trenches - military correspondents, fighters - yes, they see a little more than others who judge the situation from the Internet, but they also do not see the whole picture. What we do not see, we invent by virtue of our knowledge and experience. And we think it's true.
            That's just the whole elephant sees a very small number of people.
  41. +5
    8 November 2022 15: 21
    I have no questions about the fact that every general wants a hero of Russia. Let him want. I have questions about how people of this level get into such positions. The best of the best in all qualities should get into the generals: intelligence, courage, honor, training and knowledge of military affairs, even creativity. And there are the most cunning and stupid. The system is rotten, that's the problem, and this problem is not so easy to solve.
    Especially taking into account the fact that the president believes that everything is in order with the system and simply "there are some shortcomings."
    No, President, it was your system when people are ranked according to the level of devotion and not the level of professionalism and attitude to business that led to what it is.
  42. -1
    8 November 2022 15: 24
    And the military and the president need to draw conclusions when complaining to the governors, it seems that Putin already understood this by his desire to communicate with the population on mobilization.
    1. +5
      8 November 2022 19: 10
      There is a video on the Internet of how he communicates with the "people". The so-called "people" in these videos something looks like the same ones ... there are even circles of similar faces circled ... maybe it just seems so ... you never know people are similar ... recourse Yes, and the last visit to the training center of the mobilized raised many questions - the "mobilized" were too skillfully handling combat equipment there ...
      1. -2
        9 November 2022 03: 40
        So, well done instructors of the center. They teach well.
        And the people - it's only in Africa that it is very different. And so - all the brothers Slavs are similar to each other. Well, again, there is also protection for the governor. And also among this people is present.
  43. 0
    8 November 2022 15: 31
    It all looks like a tantrum or a bad example of "care"
  44. +10
    8 November 2022 15: 59
    Hanging in the air is the thesis:
    There, in the General Staff, there are "professionals". They know everything, they understand everything, they can do everything.
    A military secret.
    How many "punctures" are there in this SVO (Strange Military Operation)?
    And this "everything" is paid for by the lives of our young guys.
    How many generals there, in the "General Staff", have combat experience?
    Only one "effective manager" is worth something. How many Lives did his "efficiency" claim?
    Questions-Questions......
    And who will answer?
    But there are no "guilty" ones. There are only "hucksters" everywhere.
    Under the "lampas" diapers are worn.
    1. 0
      8 November 2022 17: 05
      With the beginning of the NWO, there was a chance to save the state. Given the state it was in and what the trends are, it is hard to expect that the fighting could have proceeded differently. But it is necessary that "the sovereign sort out little people" following the results of the WZO. Without this, negative processes will only accelerate. Be patient, there are simply no other options. We are on the threshold. Yes, everything is on the doorstep.
      1. +2
        8 November 2022 22: 16
        We are on the threshold.

        At what threshold? On the verge of unprecedented growth of the economy and welfare of citizens? Or on the verge of the collapse of the country?
  45. -7
    8 November 2022 16: 59
    Does anyone have valerian? Give the author 400 drops. I did not understand the nonsense that is written in this hysteria at all. The whole point of the article can be divided into three parts:
    1. All the heads of the Moscow Region suck and deversants are traitors who have no faith and never will. Poor soldiers with such generals. (Does it remind you of 1917?)
    2. Governors are the strength and power of Russia. They are cooler than generals and officers in general. Subordinate the poor soldiers to the governors. By the way, the 155th brigade of the MP Pacific Fleet is the governor's fellow countrymen, which means it is recruited from the inhabitants of the Far East? (Does it remind you of the history of the Ukrainian, Belarusian, Baltic fronts?)
    3. Since the federal authorities can't do anything (even the gubernatons personally carried out the mobilization), transfer all power to the governors, including all the security forces.
    Against this background, almost no one was outraged by the fact of the letter itself and the appeal of the military to the governor of a remote province, around which the haze of independence periodically pops up anyway. No one raised the question of why the brigade commander does not make operational decisions in such a situation. Who wrote the appeal under the carbon copy of Khokhlyatsky's tears?
    As for the publication of filming of copter flights. And the author wants to film the redeployment of troops again, as at the initial stage, and even with a link? Who does the author work for? Censorship must be the most severe.
    1. +3
      8 November 2022 19: 16
      Already preparing "delivery of radios":
      Mintsifra wants to know which VPNs and why they are used in Roscosmos, Rostec and banks
      Experts think lockdown may be brewing

      https://www.ixbt.com/news/2022/11/08/v-mincifry-hotjat-znat-kakie-vpn-i-dlja-chego-ispolzujut-v-roskosmose-rostehe-i-bankah.html
    2. +3
      9 November 2022 19: 36
      Classic KGB approach: let's just shut everyone up and everything will be fine. So the USSR collapsed, with this approach it is possible to finish off the Russian Federation. I do not see anything wrong with the fact that the governor cares about the fate of people from his region. Well, the fact that the soldiers complain, but what if the degenerate generals need to silently go to their death? Who the hell needs such heroism, this is not heroism, this is idiocy.
  46. -6
    8 November 2022 17: 00
    Anyone who is against the generals is against the president. Therefore, he is simply obliged to first write a report on leaving the civil service, and then (after the completion of the investigation based on the results of his activities), he can act as a private person.
  47. Eug
    +2
    8 November 2022 17: 49
    Note - in the above commentary, the Ministry of Defense refers to the competent actions of the commanders of UNIT - and no higher! The rest confirms the statement that I heard 36 years ago - "war is bullshit, the main thing is maneuvers" (now - tank biathlon, however, maneuvers too) ...
  48. -3
    8 November 2022 18: 25
    Normally, such a letter is more than enough to disband the brigade, and for the tribunal over the writers, and organizational conclusions regarding the command of the Pacific Fleet.
    SHAME!
    And what does the Marine Corps do in the steppes of Ukraine.
    And why is the Airborne Forces used like ordinary infantry, and not to destroy important enemy targets in the operational rear?
    And what idiot pest came up with regional payments to the mobilized?
    1. +3
      9 November 2022 05: 29
      And what idiot pest came up with regional payments to the mobilized?
      Apparently the same one that came up with the idea of ​​mobilizing the regions themselves. They themselves mobilize, equip themselves, and pay themselves. Everything is in the spirit of other recent self-resorptions.
    2. 0
      9 November 2022 19: 39
      Quote: RoTTor
      Normally, such a letter is more than enough to disband the brigade, and for the tribunal over the writers, and organizational conclusions regarding the command of the Pacific Fleet.
      SHAME!
      And what does the Marine Corps do in the steppes of Ukraine.
      And why is the Airborne Forces used like ordinary infantry, and not to destroy important enemy targets in the operational rear?
      And what idiot pest came up with regional payments to the mobilized?


      I just can’t understand where the category of people who believe that the problem lies in who voices the problem and not in who creates it comes from? Why do we have so many lovers in the country not to wash dirty linen in public?
  49. +1
    8 November 2022 18: 37
    There was one event, more than a hundred years ago, but very significant.
    When the "owner of the Russian land" instructed the generals to solve the case, which he had to solve himself.
    And they, with zeal and stubborn determination, spoiled both the "owner" and themselves with their descendants together in full.
    But are the generals guilty? Are they the governors of that time?
    Yes, they could have turned out to be smarter, more far-sighted, they could have coordinated the questions for the petition in advance with their agent Gapon, but for some reason, having received a signal from him that the workers with banners and icons want to go to the tsar for justice, they didn’t even want to go with him once again to meet and discuss what is possible, what is not, to look for options.
    Instead, the "owner" with his family dumped out of town, instructing the generals, who, with medals and aiguillettes, "resolve the issue" with the "rebels". For "who allowed it?"
    Decided. January 9, near the Narva Gate (Arc de Triomphe).
    And it was irreparable. When, already 11 years later, the tsar spoke to the workers of the Putilov factory, calling for an increase in the production of weapons and ammunition, despite the fact that only the most loyal workers were admitted, numerous cries of "Killer!"
    And then the "owner" was overthrown. The generals, by the way, with their oligarch friends, who were then purged by those workers.
    So, if you are a "master" even by birth, from God, so to speak, this does not mean that nothing needs to be done to be one in reality, and not on holidays and at parades. A good owner should not be afraid and poke around if necessary. Not to leave the city.
  50. +3
    8 November 2022 19: 05
    And now we have our own army and navy in each region? Then the West and the Ukrainians achieved their goal ... to divide Russia into principalities ... It already happened ... let me remind you that the people of Kiev did not appear on the Kulikovo field at all, they preferred the yoke)) ))
  51. 0
    8 November 2022 19: 20
    Nadys read "ZOV". Not Remarque, of course, but it became creepy. And he described only two months of the war.
  52. 0
    8 November 2022 19: 24
    Quote from: newtc7


    And who then is to blame? Maybe the governor of the Far East? Maybe he wants the hero of Russia so badly that he sent his fighters on a blunt attack?
    I honestly don’t understand people who stubbornly continue to ignore obvious facts.
    Even governors show themselves mainly as people who try for the sake of
    I don't know what it is in this particular case, but it's definitely about.

    But you only think you know the facts. But their meaning, logic, cause, effect - it doesn’t even occur to you to find out. Well, if you don’t know, close the fountain.

    The governors don't show you anything. It is the media that shows them to you. And generals too.
    Whoever they show you, what they will stuff your head with like a sausage, then it will be there.
  53. 0
    8 November 2022 19: 56
    If only they didn’t imprison this governor like Furgal. We actually have a Cossack sent to the Komi Republic (far from being a native of our republic)
  54. +1
    8 November 2022 20: 58
    Quote: Mikhail Drabkin
    There is an order for God's sake!!! There is unity of command!

    Alexander Tvardovsky:
    "I was killed near Rzhev,
    in a nameless swamp,
    in the fifth company, on the left,
    during a brutal attack.
    I did not hear the rupture,
    I didn't see that flash -
    straight into the abyss from a cliff -
    no bottom, no tire."
  55. +1
    8 November 2022 22: 21
    Something really is a murky story. Ukrainians played such “games”. Well, appeals to Ze and so on.
  56. -1
    8 November 2022 22: 57
    The SVO showed that the qualifications of Russian officers and generals are lower than Ukrainian ones. They were prepared by the Americans.
    And who was ruining our army? GENERALS?
    And who now checks these generals and gives them grades?
  57. +1
    8 November 2022 23: 26
    Quote: RoTTor
    And what does the Marine Corps do in the steppes of Ukraine.

    What he does according to the Soviet army and navy joke about
    "a submarine in the steppes of Ukraine" ...
    Why were the Marines transferred to the Chechen War?
    They hoped that they knew how to fight...
    "
    1. 0
      9 November 2022 03: 36
      In fact, after the Marines were transferred to Chechnya, the war ended quickly for some reason. That's how it was the first time, that's how it was the second. The Marine Corps is a force that fights, not blows snot.
  58. +1
    8 November 2022 23: 54
    this looks like feigned concern and creates hysteria in society...
  59. 0
    9 November 2022 02: 53
    And I have a feeling that all TsIPSO is on this site. No matter what is written about, everything is bad with us. And the generals are fools, and we don’t know how to fight... Of course. From the outside, each network is a strategist. Keyboard buttons are easier to press. And throwing mud at someone is the nicest thing for a modern flea-journalist.
    In mathematics there is such a method - proof by contradiction. We take a false statement and build a proof based on it. As a result, we get something completely absurd. But since the result is absurd, the basic premise was correspondingly false. In the article, the author draws his own conclusions without even bothering to check. And on what data does he base these conclusions? After all, it is obvious that this letter is just another piece of Ukro-Gebel propaganda. But. The article is ready, another cry on the topic: our generals are fools, everything is bad with us, it flew through the minds of the Russians, occupied by house 2 and mascots.
    What prevents you from going to the location of the 155th brigade yourself and checking the facts?
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  62. 0
    9 November 2022 04: 13
    Citizens, such a letter is very similar to stuffing. How can you immediately and unconditionally believe all the negativity..? Nope, I'll wait.
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    1. -1
      9 November 2022 09: 42
      Why did scientific research begin with the company commander?))) There is still a platoon commander))))... now, how were award and combat reporting documents written in the Second World War? How were the SovInformBuro reports that Levitan voiced formed? There is no expenditure of ammunition, there is their consumption... the company commander does not need to “justify” anything, a simple company does not use Daggers and Krasnopolis, as much as the ammo was spent, so much was spent... and the report on the effectiveness has always been, at all times, conditional , the number of those killed was counted both after Borodin and after the Battle of Kulikovo... this is one of the most important eternal indicators of the war, how many of our own died and how many of the enemy were killed, this is why they go to fight. A builder reports on the number of houses, a surgeon reports on operations, a grain grower reports on tons of wheat.... and a fighter/commander reports on the number of enemy soldiers killed/captured, damaged by his equipment.
    2. 0
      10 November 2022 12: 06
      There were other cases. One acquaintance who served in Afghanistan said that he himself did not know why he received the medal. He was the commander's driver. He did not take part in hostilities as such, he carried the commander. One day the car came under fire. He did not perform any feats, according to him.
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  65. 0
    9 November 2022 09: 34
    “One can only applaud Gusev, who rushed to work”... but he shouldn’t have left there at that time, he should have slept on a cot in the office - at least that’s what normal people did in their time... Feudal fragmentation and morals as in the times of Ivan III (at least). Under his grandson, the heads of the boyars were already being torn off with all their might.
  66. +1
    9 November 2022 10: 32
    All this is a well-written and glorious operation of Tsipso. Appealing to Guber is a game for the future “split” of the Russian Federation. Vladivostok was deliberately chosen - this is a reference to the “Far Eastern Republic”. The surname “Kozhemyako(a)” is also from this song; the attempts of local Ukrainians during the civil war to create their own “Ukrainian” are well known. Republic "...in the Far East.
    And the “military correspondents” devoured the “misinformation” and multiplied it.
  67. +1
    9 November 2022 11: 39
    Quote: Brondulyak
    How many provocateurs “comment” on this publication of a certain “Skomorokhov”...

    Roman Skomorokhov has long been known here, and since 14, he personally collected, prepared and delivered a lot of things to the front line of Donbass, and, by the way, always provided conscientious reports.
    So, whoever is “someone” here is to the mirror. He is definitely there, and there is no need to crawl behind the mirror with your front paw and look for a “provocateur” there.
  68. 0
    9 November 2022 11: 43
    Quote: Shark Lover
    The question is not so much for Konoshenkin, who simply reads numbers from the screen, but a question for the entire chain of supplying information from the territory of Ukraine, combat information. Starting from the company commander, each member of the chain overestimates the enemy’s losses in order to please the higher one and justify the costs of the bp. The company commander is not doing this for the sake of profit; in order to nominate a soldier for an award, he must write something that the Spartans never dreamed of. Or for your unit to be included in the list, you need to show heroism. The bureaucracy of the Army that does not fight. By the way, after half a year in Afghanistan I was nominated for Courage, it’s still on the award list, but I received a ZBZ. The company commander freaked out then and said he should have written that he killed ten personally, then it would have been accurate. This is in the USSR Army, an Army that has been fighting for 7 years. By post, if a soldier proved himself, for example, we retreated, and the soldier (the three of us) remained to cover the retreat (as planned). We went down, they moved away. There was no shooting, but if they had not stayed, they would have hit us in the back. They volunteered themselves, the likelihood of a mix-up was very high, they saw the preparation. I wrote awards, wrote that they covered with fire and destroyed 7 spirits. The soldiers were awarded.
    So how to fight this system? According to reports, we destroyed millions of them, with a population of 18 Lyamas. It’s the same here, it was planned to turn around in Ukraine in a couple of months, well, that’s it, now they themselves see that they have to hit with slingshots, but how can they go back?
    The staff rats, the clerks, all sorts of PNSh, ZNSh, personnel officers are to blame for everything. (my personal opinion)

    In matters of awards, the “law of preference” works firmly - whoever writes wins. Like, a coincidence, but the probability is more than 80 percent.
  69. 0
    9 November 2022 12: 05
    When I wrote here that the commanders (by the way, of Caucasian origin) sent my brother into an open field, to mines with an incomprehensible task to take that tower over there.....they killed 72 people out of 90 in 2 days..... I'm just anyone here they didn’t brand me, but the site completely deleted this message, saying that I’m torturing the water and in general, am I a bot of the Ukrainians? (to generalize, it’s “trolling, provocation”).
    Now the letters have reached the top, so it’s already possible to publish... But this crap has been happening for several months, and not only with the people mentioned above in this article.
  70. +1
    9 November 2022 18: 15
    The Marines will not invent or write such crap. Every soldier knows that orders are not discussed, and even more so by the elite of the Armed Forces. But here it turns out that they are not just discussing, but also complaining, like NATO soldiers about the hardness of toilet paper.
    There is an information war going on, in which the enemy seeks to denigrate first of all those who annoy him the most.
    Don’t take such information on faith, learn to separate the wheat from the chaff.
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  73. -1
    10 November 2022 12: 00
    What's so murky about this... Lists of military personnel have not been submitted, which is why wives and mothers cannot receive social benefits. Issued VTB and Sberbank cards are not activated... and there is only one reason - the financial department of the RF Ministry of Defense... But like this lady looks impressive with marshal stars and a bunch of awards... And again they are trying to assign the solution to this problem to the military registration and enlistment offices because, by the way, mass layoffs have begun. Who will deal with such a complex issue for 25 thousand rubles? It’s not for me to judge, but all the facts speak about the fact that the Moscow Region is losing the threads of control... And to the Governors, for the first time in the entire existence of this regime, many thanks... They, too, for the first time felt like the right people and many of them boldly took full responsibility for what was happening. But The Ministry of Defense hid and pretended that nothing was happening... But there was a slow rejection of the army from below from the leadership of the country...
    1. 0
      10 November 2022 12: 09
      This lady is a high-ranking civil servant; she does not have a military rank.
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    0
    10 November 2022 13: 14
    hi But it’s time to shake up the “star tribe”! Many people like the reindeer herder lingered there! A white chair for everyone on the hill...
  76. 0
    11 November 2022 07: 07
    You can treat this information differently.
    But, there is a Fact that there is a huge distrust in the Professionalism and Honesty of “our” generals.
    This is understandable: the generals sit in warm, cozy headquarters. And the soldier dies in mud and blood on the front line.
    The option to force “Moscow” to start acting, and not Negotiate and Not Trade, remains only through Representatives of the regional authorities.
    There is little hope, but still.
  77. 0
    12 November 2022 21: 39
    yes, “there is no Voronezh battalion”, correctly there is no Voronezh battalion, there are 4 battalions formed from those mobilized from the Voronezh region. I don’t know the fate of 1, 2, 3, leaving for the place where the combat mission was to be carried out, 2 weeks after formation (this is all the time given for preparation and coordination). The 4th battalion departed by corps, 1st company two days after recruiting, officers (mobilized) after three days (the entire regiment), the second and third companies with the battalion commander and newly recruited officers (mobilized) after 2 weeks. ALL OFFICERS are in hospitals, I don’t know for sure about the privates. THERE WAS A VORONEZH BATTALION!!!!!!!! Separate rifle battalion!
  78. +1
    13 November 2022 20: 37
    There will always be a showdown, but they will not bring victory over Ukraine.
    Main. What do you need to do to win?
    It is necessary to legislate that the entire territory of Ukraine, seized by the separatists with the help of NATO, is an integral part of Russia.
    In the presence of such a Law, the NWO carried out by Russia in Ukraine is the liberation of the territory of Russia occupied by separatists, the restoration of the territorial integrity of Russia, the reunification of peoples, the inclusion of the economy, population, territory of Ukraine in the sphere of economic activity of Russia.
    The law will set the goal. A strategy will be formed. Tactics were developed, tasks were set and the enemy was named.
    All actions of the Russian Army on the territory of Ukraine will comply with the Law of Russia.
    The law will not allow Ukraine to quickly join NATO.
    The law will not allow NATO intervention, the entry of troops from Poland, Romania, and Hungary into the territory of Ukraine, and the annexation of Ukrainian territory by these countries will automatically disappear. The law will not allow the conclusion of a confederal agreement between Ukraine and Poland, a member of NATO, and Ukraine will not be able to become a member of NATO. The law will not allow the United States to blackmail with a nuclear bomb and launch a nuclear strike on the Russian Armed Forces in Ukraine.
    The presence of the Law will lead to the rapid disappearance of the war in Ukraine, people will stop killing each other.
    If the Kremlin wants victory over Ukraine, it will pass such a Law; if it doesn’t want victory, there will be no Law.

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